druids was crazy good in NH having insane mitigation for every possible problem but losing magic damage reduction made them lost their value alot because prot warriors are better physical damage tank if played well and damage is blockable
#protection
sick sentinel
jade socket
also depending on when you did kj bdk was arguably better
vocal nimbus
Afaik exorsus, world 2nd in KJ, didnt bring 2 druids
jade socket
I believe for kj they did but for guldan they still had a warrior
timid jay
KJ was double druid iirc
They used warrior on a lot of fights in ToS though
Same as nh
round hornet
ya I think after they made soaking less awful, iirc they reduced how far away the little ones would randomly spawn? BDK would be my pick for most impactful tank for that fight
to skip that stupid darkness
phase
sick sentinel
TOS was good for prot because there was a lot of physical damage
unborn island
I thought that the whole druid thing was because they are so forgiving. Warrior probably wins once you know the account backwards and play it well, but when it's just a case of making sure you don't waste progress wipes because the tank has randomly died because of a mistimed shield block....
*encounter, not account
stone mirage
feels weird that crit sims so low for prot
@timid jay how much is a good sim for prot?
timid jay
It makes perfect sense crit sims so low for prot
Really big BC uptime and SS our biggest damage already gets extra crit while SB is up
But for what a good prot warrior sim is, Idk really
stone mirage
it already sims as much as my blood 😦
is light speed actually a good trait for dps then?
timid jay
Should be pretty good
Shadowbind and TTW should be stronger though
Simming should tell you
stone mirage
yea I sim eveything was just thinking
mostly going for bastion traits and had to take light speed to get one
sick sentinel
killed aggramar mythic finally \o/
timid jay
👏
stone mirage
i was getting a little bored of prot but discovering defensive stats=offensive and trying to start doing dmg is making it so much more fun
sick sentinel
best fun i ever had tanking 2 foe breaker and 2 flame rend
yeah prot damage is fun doing decent amount of damage if played well even with defensive gear
stone mirage
haste mastery actually sim highest for me
i was a little surprised prot wasnt any stronger in argus p1/p2 though
sick sentinel
haste is generaly highest for most of people if you dont have second stat trinkets
stone mirage
I thought that normal block would be enough for 2nd scythe
even blood can take two scythes without doing anything but topping before scythe
sick sentinel
for mythic im taking 3 with just block
stone mirage
how much mastery do you have
and how much ignore pain are you stacking
i can take it just fine if I crit block
it just doesnt happen every time so I need to use something else
undone sun
pretty sure i can still survive 3 with just block but it's risky
stone mirage
just two without anything else to back it up overkills me by like 2mil even if I'm topped
sick sentinel
i have 7/7 bastion
and no one is actualy crit block only shout is enough with decent IP stack
stone mirage
well if you have decent Ip stacks you are not taking it with just block are you
sick sentinel
hmmmm well you always want IP stack weird
i didnt get your point you can get 4m IP stack nearly every scythe
stone mirage
obviously I just figured block would be strong enough
it's not actually a problem though
since with anger management you might as well use something for every scythe
sick sentinel
i think you can survive just with block i have %20 versa and avoidance also
you should get cosmos sheet its really good if you want to calculate damage you will take from scythes
stone mirage
so with battlecry
could I for example drop glaives and only press battlecry after a few seconds to get the explosion within the crit window or do I need to have battlecry up prior to using a trinket to effect it?
undone sun
you intentionally delay BC to make the burst crit
stone mirage
okay
sick sentinel
i think sense had WA for battle cry glaives
stone mirage
i would also use it just before titanguard bursts?
sick sentinel
well yeah you can but i wont use it for burst
stone mirage
maybe not on argus but in aoe situations
sick sentinel
diimas or glaives is better for damage
stone mirage
glaives take time and I only have 930 diimas vs 960 titanguard
hasty geode
Sorry first time here, is there a calculator at all to see what the CD of SB is with X haste?
sick sentinel
you can check wago.io or weakauras channel
so you get WA for your block up and its CD on your screen
hasty geode
I dont actually have a warrior im just trying to find out what our warriors % Uptime should be near with 11k haste, certainly not 46%
sick sentinel
uptime or mitigated damage?
hasty geode
Uptime,
sick sentinel
its not good either way but depends on the boss also
hasty geode
Like i can see what its actual uptime atm is, and how much its mitting from the boss, but were wiping so hard with his poor uptime
sick sentinel
which boss
hasty geode
Argus prog
round hornet
its usually not having lower uptime that is the problem but not having it up at the right times
btw
sick sentinel
^
timid jay
Uptime is a worthless metric
round hornet
especially for argus
timid jay
Look at % blocked
round hornet
where you NEED to block scythes
sick sentinel
check the blocked damage from damage taken
hasty geode
3hrs, 52 wipes, 259 scythes with no SB buff
timid jay
You can have 50% uptime but if your uptime is when not tanking it does nothing
hasty geode
and thats just p1/p2 scythes
timid jay
You know my thoughts about that warrior though Ven
hasty geode
Mmm, I know. 3 scythes in a row no SB is a definite giveaway, but he insists that there is points where he has no charges at all, and the 2 other tanks are swaping each 2
timid jay
If he has no charges
hes doing it wrong
You dont need to cover all auto attacks with SB
Scythes you need
hasty geode
I think hes blowing the charges when offtanking, just mashing buttons tbh. His Demo shout is on point though ~_~
stone mirage
if you want to dps you could just keep one charge on cooldown
you'd still have enough SB for scythes at least in p1 and p2
hasty geode
Im on Orb duty +DPS 3rd tank, but dont really have a 3rd tank to replace him with
sick sentinel
I just got Destiny Driver for my 4th leggo. Can someone make me feel better?
your next legendaries wont be that shit
Boots, prydaz, DD
and i think phase 1 and phase 2 scythes should be %90 blocked at least im not sure started progression today so
I’m sure sephuz is next
better ask people that killed it and you can check the logs yourself just scythes and melees damage taken with good players
sephuz is okey prydaz is shit also boots is good for speed gear xd
I’m just enjoying beating people senseless with my shield using t21 lol
Imma be SAD when that goes away
Rip tobit
Still better than me, I got destiny driver as my first leggo...
lapis topaz
I have 3 legendaries... All rings. If it helps you feel better at all.
Next will certainly be the one ring I don't have yet.
round hornet
but why
lapis topaz
Because that’s how luck works, right?
languid rose
one of those rings is a quest reward, that's the opposite of luck 🤔
glacial sage
Is this normal hps? Felhounds heroic
ember arrow
those healers hps is
pathetic
i had m+ runs when the dps did that
Skada: Healing for Aggramar: 04:02 (5 Min 7 Sec):
- Blondíé 174.61M (572.5K, 18.5%)
- Monkolão 167.03M (545.9K, 17.7%)
- Offtank 157.95M (517.9K, 16.8%)
- Zeely 130.31M (427.2K, 13.8%)
healing for NORMAL aggramar
is even more xd (im offtank)
tight oracle
Hi 😄
ember arrow
o/ check pins for changes or additional info
if u want BFA specific, go to #410902883165405214
unborn island
@glacial sage completely correct...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VxJr2K19LzvQjhGA
first 2 😃
literally never felt in danger of dying
undone sun
so many tanks 👀
unborn island
that warrior which was me? 😛
fickle jetty
The dps of most of those tanks is awful though
unborn island
and yes, a little bit overgeared
yeah
i was hoping that most would be ~1m
note the 2 warriors running indom
fickle jetty
I mean most geared tanks probably wouldn't sacrifice their mythic lock for this but I pull way more than that on my alts that I don't use in mythic 🤔
unborn island
that's true..... as i don't raid mythic otherwise i'm gucci 😃
think we could probably have done ahc too
but it has a bit more of a dps check so might have struggled
fickle jetty
some of those tanks you'd be better off taking a healer that tosses out a few heals but mostly does dps
or find tanks that can pull at least 1m
interesting experiment still though
unborn island
the problem is
the tactic on garothi requires tanks
so you can skip killing the cannons
and it stays in p1
deals like 16m dmg
so need tanks to survive it 😃
tawdry aurora
That's pretty low for a warrior but ya pretty typical.
sage sphinx
How can I stop taking 9 million HP hits on M High Command?
ember arrow
9 mil hits is unblocked 2nd or 3rd exploit weakness
it hits for 100k otherwise
@sage sphinx
lapis topaz
Has anyone ever gotten weight of darkness twice, with the second cast happening before berserker is off of cooldown?
languid rose
well you can't mc so...
severe pond
You can do furnace without mc now
glacial mortar
The last time I solod Furnace on mythic it took me 21 minutes on a monk a couple months ago
That was fun
sick sentinel
yeah it takes long better with a group still can be done
little hawk
I have a question about logs, and more specific on Blocked Hit %
How is that being calculated?
Does it only apply when I'm active tanking or does it count even if I'm not tanking?
Or having aggro
undone sun
Most bosses it's only when you're actively taking melees
Hits meaning when they hit you
Or the target chosen in logs
undone sun
And % of blocked is when you have shield block active while taking those melees
undone sun
It should
viscid dawn
Whatleggos to run for m argus of actively tanking? Legs n gloves?
little hawk
Is mark of the claw worth enchanting?
vernal parcel
Which legendaries are people going with for mythic + 15s ?
timid jay
Makr of the claw is kinda meh
use heavy hide for defense or hidden satyr for damage
@vernal parcel Gloves+belt
Belt+bracers if you really need that selfhealing
vernal parcel
Oh nice I got gloves and belt today 😄
winged marsh
lucky
timid jay
Belt is extremely good in AoE
little hawk
How about raiding. Using Bracers + Walls Fell atmo, should I change or are those ok to use?
vernal parcel
Think Gloves and Bracers are the most used in raiding.
but wells could be good for example dogs fight
timid jay
Gloves are stronger unless you really need that shorter CD on SW for some reason
little hawk
I just loose so much haste if I swap >.<
timid jay
Only reason TWF saw such a increase in usage was with the tier combo where you couldnt use gloves
glacial mortar
What exactly should I be looking for on logs? Been logging myself so I can see where to improve. Been getting into war recently.
coarse prism
long time lurker here but i wanted to post this
i was gonna break my own balls if velen wasn't able to finish him off
undone sun
@glacial mortar blocked hits of melees and blockable abilities, resource management, correct t21 2pc usage(rotational)
glacial mortar
So if im looking at blocked hits, how do I know what is considered normal
undone sun
can compare logs to other warriors but generally you want the majority to be blocked, now that does depend heavily on the boss encounter. Bosses like hounds and aggramar where you're constantly taking melee hits it wouldn't be easy to block the majority
bosses with taunt swaps its much easier to have a higher %
thorn musk
so as I'm looking at the stat priority for tanking, even if an item that like 10 ilevels lower and alot more of an upgrade, is it still better to use the higher ilevel piece?
This is for M+ mainly btw if that changes anything.
thorn musk
alright alright, ty for the help :]
sick sentinel
is it easy to play protection warrior for a new player like a tank and more accurate warrior?
undone sun
i definitely wouldn't say it's one of the easiest tanks
sick sentinel
to try a protection warrior then?
ember arrow
all tanks are fine, and prot warrior is easy to learn
but doing challenging content on prot warrior can be punishing if not played quite optimally
mossy narwhal
Anyone had a similar experience in lfr ? I was tanking on antoran (i outgear lfr massively btw) and the off tank didn't taunt the boss off me
I believe i had about 7-10 stacks of exploit weakness
I blew all my cds trying to stay up ofc.
Died - ans then everyone goes on to ask if i know the tactics
ember arrow
yep thats lfr
mossy narwhal
Also trying to bait me by asking how i got the mage tower artifact
ember arrow
clueless ppl blaming others for their mistakes
mossy narwhal
Yeah, it was annoying. They said "we'll give him another chance"
So i was like. I came for the mount which didn't drop so i'm outta here
Haha
I stayed just to not be the guy that leaves if his item doesn't drop
I usually play arms, so i admit i'm not the best tank by any means but i do know how to play it
amber siren
If you know what a taunt swap is then you're already in the top 90%
mossy narwhal
Lol :D
I have been using the bloodmirror legs so i can keep shield block up like a nub
I've been lvlling a druid and dh for bfa but i'll probably just say screw it and stay loyal to my warrior :D
vocal nimbus
Then you are going to have a bad time
ember arrow
hehe
mental rock
Are you tanking or on escort duty?
cloud hound
escort
vocal nimbus
just SR before necrotic embrace explodes
apart from that go full dps
you take no damage
plain ice
Is it viable to hold onto shield block until I see argus cast the scythe? Or should I use DBM or something similar to time it as best as possible
undone sun
if you can react quick enough, sure
it's a 0.5s cast
he does have specific patterns and a priority system on what he'll cast over what
vague moat
hey guys, our offtank is gonna be away for our tuesday progression on aggramar, and im gonna go prot warrior instead of him, can anyone tell me if apocalypse drive trinket cd reduction works just from getting cleaved by aggramar when not actively tanking him?
undone sun
it does work
vague moat
great thanks
junior ivy
hey for "glory of the.." achvs
do they have to be all done on same toon?
or can one be gotten on an alt
?
@undone sun
undone sun
same toon
junior ivy
ok 😦
undone sun
at least i'm pretty sure
merry cave
I thought it could be dif toons
wooden lark
what are regarded as the 2 best legendaries.. i know mannaroth is highly regarded
undone sun
gloves/belt/bracers
gloves/belt for dps, belt has higher priority for aoe so if you'd need the healing you'd use bracers/belt
wooden lark
kk thanks
late cedar
Is 4pT20/2pT21 still popular or if it best just to wear highest ilvl stuff?
undone sun
higher ilevel, at about 25 ilevel difference drop t20
muted bear
at what % does vers start getting DR?
muted bear
ahh ok cool thanks
vocal nimbus
@junior ivy glory of the... Can be done on different toons
full elbow
So Beta huh, any thoughts or oppinions?
full elbow
thank you, sorry to post on the wrong side of the fence 😉
full elbow
Oke so I have been out of the tanking scene since wod (Gladiator in wod and fury in legion since well fun.....) anything a returning tank needs to know, any general tips ?
BFA send me here for these before you ask
ember arrow
how general do u want the tips to be
pins have most things covered that are general
and specific questions, or things not fully understood canalways be asked here
woven quest
Hey guys i have one question about the khaz goroth trinkets is that any good dps wise for protection warrior like in mythic plus, i dont have the tanking panteon yet so would is be wise to use Khaz Gorith?
undone sun
depends on what ilevel it is and your given options, comparably it's still a lot of main stat
woven quest
Its an 40 item lv upgrade
Is it only the stats then is the pantheon not proccing as protection?
woven quest
Oke thanks for the answer, i can probebly better use another offensive trinket
ember arrow
@woven quest dps trinsk from m+ have full effect in tank spec
might wanna look into that
woven quest
Wow thanks gone do that for sure
undone sun
generally want to use something like diima's/shivermaw/moonglaives for aoe
woven quest
I am using writhing heart of darknes and apocalypse drive for bosses and diima’ glacial for trash on 18+ keys but need a second good offensive trink for trash i also have some str/haste world quests trinks that should be good as well then?
But i was just curious that pantheon offensive trink gives me already atleast 1000 str more then any other trink i have
ember arrow
haste sticks are really good for dps
but only at high ilvl
otherwise the things Thyme recoomends are the best offensive ones
rose orbit
Does ball buff mechanic change for heroic argus?
Don't remember it being on tanks on normal
the haste/vers crit/mastery ones
split wagon
Greetings ! May someone tell me if there is any wa available for mage tower challenge ?
undone sun
split wagon
Thanks ! Is it the same one for all tanks ?
undone sun
yup
split wagon
Great ty 😃
vocal nimbus
that crunchy noise triggers my ptsd
timid jay
For argus?
vocal nimbus
yes
rose orbit
For heroic argus add phase
Any tips for tanking the 2 big adds?
Having massive issues atm.
Didn't even know they could swap out
vocal nimbus
soaking all the raid doesnt get oyu killed? @timid jay
rose orbit
No info. on the swapping in all of the guides i've read/watched
timid jay
I need LS for it, I use SW and get a darkness for the second
vocal nimbus
@rose orbit just pick one and remember to have shield block up
timid jay
@rose orbit Is it the swapping that gives you issues or?
signal plover
Shenk titanguard is great for burst soaking too
Just make sure to offset if a blade is about to come through the stack
Don't b afraid to calls for BoP if you take a blade stack too
I'm super aggressive with CDs in that phase up until the last like 3% but with AM and that fucking intermission you'll have em up for P3 all the time
round hornet
@rose orbit there's a timer on bigwigs that says when it swaps just be ready to leap over to the new add
signal plover
And make sure the sword add isn't stacked on top of others.
astral crystal
idk if you know this yet, but they do give each other a 300% buff
so if you're tanking both melee dudes together, you're probably going to have a bad time
rose orbit
Does DBM have a swap timer?
signal plover
Yes
rose orbit
Doesn't seem like it cause I'm def. missing it..
signal plover
"stellar armory"
rose orbit
Alright will look out for it
And uh, its the awkwardness of the swaps i guess?
Because right now we can't get aggro fast enough before 1-2 raid members die
timid jay
Being ready with leap and taunt makes it easier to deal with
signal plover
Just divide the room in half
timid jay
Especially if you pay attention to the timer
rose orbit
co-tank is a pally if the info. helps
dusk locust
you can also get a bit of initial aggro for the couple seconds between when adds spawn and when 2 of them grow
signal plover
U take one half, other tank takes other half and leap/taunt to the rescue
timid jay
Its random
signal plover
One of the adds that's alive :)
dusk locust
you gotta be quick on the draw
rose orbit
and 1 more thing, once the sword buffing add dies, does he die for good? (meaning only dual sword one spawns for remainder of fight)
dusk locust
a new sword guy can still spawn later
rose orbit
Because in our 2-3 successful runs to p3
I'm noticing that once the big sword buff add dies
he doesn't spawn back
so yeah..
I take it that that's just luck?
timid jay
Its just timer based
dusk locust
maybe the adds were getting killed fast enough that there wasn't space for it
rose orbit
Thats what im thinking yellow..
timid jay
One guy gets sword and 1 guys gets the daggers if there are enough adds alive
It cant empower the same guy twice in a row iirc
timid jay
Might need to turn it on in bigwigs or DBM settings
coral jasper
Is there a Trinket List anywhere? Or would someone know --- What's the best trinket to wear (for the majority of the time) Fel Oiled Machine or Apoco Drive? Apoco is 945 and Fel oiled is 940
Fel Oiled for Single Target since 4K increase to haste and Apoco Drive for trash?
timid jay
For defensive purposes there is a pinned guide
sick sentinel
Generally u want to use Diima trinket for both defensive and offensive purposes, but because you don't have that I would use fel oiled
Another decent one is the Orange eye
stray wedge
ty
upper spoke
when bfa releases, will alts get a way to just collect legion flight points? i missed an expansion or two, and somehow passively just got those flightpoints
j/w if my bfa boosted alt should fly out of its way to get flightpoints, or if i should just take most direct routes to objectives and assume that i can spend gold during bfa to get something thatd give me legion flight points
prot warriors seem to play for the love of the spec, and that typically developed before legion ^_^ ... figure someone here knows
vocal nimbus
Doubt that you will get legion flight points with an alt with a toy, purchase or reputation
You cant get them currently for WoD so figures
upper spoke
cool
urban idol
Hey fellow warriors, I'm looking for a Mythic Argus scythe sheet for my co-tank (he doesn't know if he'll be able to survive 5 stacks)
Do you know how he can handle them ? Like what is the timing for his cooldowns ?
It would be very nice if you could help me please ! 😃
undone sun
The most recent pin has the spreadsheet
urban idol
Ah yeah but I didn't really understand it that's why I was looking for some help ^^'
The damage are clear enough but I really don't get the parameters and the math stuff
I'm sorry for wasting your time though 😰
timid jay
The whole point is to ignore the math stuff 😛
You enter the warrior's stats under the "Parameters" lable
And you see how much damage you take
Everything under "Math stuff" is just to be ignored unless you want to learn the math behind it
If you have any questions about how to use the spreadsheet I'd be happy to answer them and improve it
north coral
how much damage is flame rend with the debuff on mythic aggramar if I need to take 2
undone sun
47.5m split amongst those who're stacked, increasing damage of flame rend by 500%
timid jay
Isnt that pre-nerf numbers?
undone sun
flame rend was nerfed 
timid jay
@north coral If its 10 people in the flame rend (including you) you takae 22,8M damage from the second one
Before versatility and avoidance
No
47.5**0.75= ~35.6
😡
Thyme math plz
undone sun
me doing math, good joke
north coral
so basically 1need a major cd to live if some people are dead to slip in
timid jay
Whats your avoidance and versa?
urban idol
@timid jay Aaaaaah ok I had to create a copy to change the stats, is that right ?
north coral
11% vers
urban idol
Fuck I'm dumb, it was clear enough, thanks a lot 😅
Okay I see the numbers changing in the scythe part, thank you very much
north coral
ok ty
prisma crane
cut in half by SR
taking a second one when you're part of the crowd isn't very rough for us unless you have zero avoidance and no IP.
timid jay
Still 10.7M damage with SR
prisma crane
lol, but you have so much time to build IP there
and then up to 20% reduction from avoidance
and ofc vers for the last bit
i've done it a few times, it's not too scary
north coral
we are only soaking with 6 people i think and if some die thats when i was maybe jumping thats why i asked
timid jay
If it's 7 people including you it's 30M damage
jade socket
He’s probably sleeping
junior ivy
cause like i use the same neck for fury and tanking
jade socket
Heavy hide isn’t all that important
jade socket
I would just go with satyr
junior ivy
okay, i hate that enchant cause it ruins old achievement,s but ill use it anywya lol
jade socket
Defensively you don’t lose almost anything and it works for both
junior ivy
ok ty i changed it
prisma crane
@junior ivy i havent used hide since ToS
junior ivy
you use hidden satyr?
junior ivy
okay, ive changed to that
ive just had so many people ruin achievements by accident with that enchant
lol
(ive been doing a lot of old raid achievements lately)
prisma crane
just take off your neck
junior ivy
yeha ill have to make a special item set on my bar for achievements
junior ivy
you dont know me krotos
its very common lmao
i did ALL of "glory of the draenor raider" and "glory of the orgrimmar raider" and "glory od the pandaria raider" and "glory odf the thundering raider" and "glory of the hellfire raider"
all in the oast 3 weeks
past*
but to be fair im almost done now
just got legion ones left
junior ivy
i kinda do lol 😦
prisma crane
meh lol
junior ivy
but yeh i gotta start finding groups for legion ones !! then ill be doneeeee
prisma crane
just literally take off the neck
no need to replace it
plus
satyr only does dmg when you do dmg
junior ivy
ohh okay
prisma crane
so if your bleeds fall off and you stop attacking, it wont do anything
junior ivy
good to know, thanks
sick sentinel
Satyr is great, dps helps a ton
Makes u parse better, now a days with item levels as high as they are u don't need that rng heavy hide proc
frigid blaze
Good news: I finally got my mannoroth bracers!
Bad news: I'm so used to having Thundergod's and Soul of the Battlelord.
sick sentinel
Do u have tier 21 2 piece @timid jayphile#8801
sick sentinel
rip
winter plume
Hey guys. Is there anyone here that could bring me up to speed if I have been gone a year from WoW?
Friends told me warriors have fell off in WoW and trying to wrap my head around it.
brazen lion
Hey guys I'm going to have to be third tank on Mythic vari, which legos should I run?
little marsh
dps legos
brazen lion
Gloves Belt?
little marsh
sure
check warcraftlogs top dmg anyway
for build, trinkets and talents
help in copies as much as you can and focus on your duty as 3rd tank, is crucial for this fight, your dps is an unneeded extra
and ofc use that 3% leech aura
proper pecan
@brazen lion go pantheon+haste stick
vague moat
Legs are great 2 so you have spell reflect up for every add you spawn,
I ran gloves and legs
But yeah def dps trinkets
vague moat
Guess someone misinformed me Then, apologies
silk mortar
I tried dps on vari as a tank. My other tanks couldnt keep up, couldnt even pop battle cry
Was the most boring fight ive ever been apart of ;´(
forest roost
can prot be viable in 2x2 dmg wise?
unborn island
@silk mortar I just don't understand why anyone wouldn't have a warrior maintanking Vari, we completely negate him
edgy mango
Heya, in eoa, can I use berserker rage to not get stunned by the spear from first boss?
edgy mango
aight, thanks
sick sentinel
you can dodge it if you are lucky and human racial works for it
silk mortar
@unborn island For iam the "off tank" our main tanks cant switch specs since they are so bad, they are not even that good. For the first weeks we only progressed mythic while i was tanking... Kinda making this long but i speak the truth 😭
unborn island
know the feeling.....
winter plume
Are prot warriors in a bad spot right now tank-wise?
I have one I am coming back to and trying to decide if I should take him fury or stay prot
unborn island
No
good spot
depends how long he's coming back after/what his gear is like
but once we know the fights well, we're basically one of the harder tanks to kill when we don't fuck up
winter plume
LoL. My character is not in a good spot, but trying to figure out if they are worth stickng to or if I should roll a DK or maybe go tank spec with my Druid instead if they are better suited. I jsut want a class that can be viable in PvP and PvE
unborn island
Druids are easiest to play afaik, but a bit like riding a bike with training wheels - it's ahrd to fall off an hurt yourself, but you're never going to go really fast....Warrior is more like a motorbike, hard to get your balance, and catastrophic if you fall off, but you can go very fast if you're good
IDK about DK's
DK's are the best in M+ by a mile
winter plume
That's a very honest answer. I appreciate that.
unborn island
this late in the expansion though, i guess it depends how much you want to push, most classes can do everything up to like +23 reasonably well, but DK's are harder to kill as you get higher
winter plume
Yeah, I stated a new job about 9 months ago and am now in a position where I can play a decent amount again, so trying to come back and get ready for the xpac. Trying to figure out what class is more future proofed than anything.
Not thinking it should take too long to level my DK. he is already 60.
sounds like that's my best bet to start getting into raiding content a bit faster.
with less risk
unborn island
if you've got a guild/friends who can carry you, you can gear up superquickly
everything other than mythic is completely stomp right now
rose orbit
Is settling for 2p over 4p for a total ilvl increase of 45 worth it?
stark sage
usually yeah, depends on how useful the 4pc is in your given situation
some bosses it doesnt add very much
and it doesnt add anything for dps
rose orbit
got mixed responses for our 4p.. most of them being indifferent abt it
while some swearing by it
guess ill have to test out both and see whats what.. ty for the response
timid jay
4p is very situational imo
For 45 ilvl I probably wouldnt use 4p
Maybe on aggramar? Would be a tough sell especially if you have better stats on your higher ilvl gear
rose orbit
Noted with thanks 😃 Will test things out.
formal grove
hey for aggramar is it possible to tank foe breaker with last stand->shield wall->last stand and so on??=
north coral
you can use NF for it
formal grove
alrght
remote tusk
You can do with SB/NF, if you have to take a 2nd you can use the other CDs
formal grove
sb?
rose orbit
Shield block 😃
stark sage
you will have NF for every one
timid jay
if you only take 1 foe breaker per rotation then you just use NF for ti
No need for anything else
vocal nimbus
I used to use NF and eithef SW or LS, rotating those two
formal grove
Big thanks for the NF tip its actually super good against foe breaker TY
plain ice
where else is NF particularly useful in ABT? felhounds corrupting maw, AHC exploit weakness, and argus's scythe?
round hornet
imonars thingy
undone sun
sever's initial hit and shock lance's initial hits are blockable
though most of the damage is from his melees and the bleeds
stark sage
pretty much anything that is blockable, you can use NF. but most cases block is good enough. but foe breaker and scythe are two big ones to dedicate NF to
plain ice
ya - was more so asking about the BIG ones like kj's flew claws
basically any scenario where we can greatly simplify a mechanic with NF
thank ya
prisma crane
or just be like me and end up with 81% mastery now in my regular gear...
plain ice
timid jay
Of the damage taken pre-block
vocal nimbus
From the 100% of the damage, the 38,44 is the amount that didnt hit you
or you didnt suffer
or you mitigated
call it however you want
timid vector
@timid jay @vocal nimbus Oh yeah I did the math (very difficult :p ) But thats insane then, without the dmg that i blocked i would have taken 380 dmg
more than the dk
thanks guys anyway ^^
vocal nimbus
Thats how warriors survive
timid vector
what does the dk have ?
timid jay
Selfhealing and bigger HP pool
timid vector
cause he doesnt blocked or staggered
vocal nimbus
Selfhealing
timid jay
It gets even better once you get more bastion traits and haste gear 👌
vocal nimbus
Absorbs are shields
timid jay
Blood DK's work by taking damage and then healing themselves
Death strike (their main survivability spell) heals them depending on damage taken in the last 5 seconds
They eat big hits with their face and heals themselves after
timid vector
when i go to "healing done"
there is also an absorbed bar
what the difference with the absorb from dmg taken ?
timid jay
Could you link the log?
timid jay
This is a private personal log belonging to another user. You cannot view it.
Oof
timid jay
So basically the difference between those are:
Under damage taken it counts all absorbs, including those that are put on you by another player. Think disc priests shields or similar. On healing meters its only the absorbs that player casts, so for example the disc priests have absorbs counted on healing for absorbs he placed on you and other players
Basically if a priest places a shield that absorbs 1000 damage on you as a warrior and you take 1000 damage
It would be counted under the warriors damage taken because the warrior took the damage and it would be counted under the priests healing because the priest is the origin of the absorb
timid jay
👌
timid vector
sry again to bother you
but if i go to "dmg taken"
then i click on me
i can see in melee that there is blocked it and hit
im not sure, but it looks like i took more DMG at the end from hit that i blocked
than straight dmg ??
(because i simply blocked more melee dmg than i took from non-blocked one ?)
timid jay
So blocking works currently by removing a certain % of damage from that attack
So say that you take 400 damage without blocking, say that you block that attack you take 200 damage. So a blocked hit would be half of the damage taken. Now if you block 75% of all hits that you take you'll still be taking more damage in total from blocked hits than just normal hits
Its just added everything up, you can see on the average hits that the blocked ones are substantially smaller
timid vector
So at the end its pretty positive
that I took more dmg from blocked hit, which proves that I could keep my blocking on a long time
timid jay
Yup
timid vector
thanks for the explanation again ^^
timid jay
The way we generally look at it is mousing over the Hits
Where you'll see that 83.13% of all the melee's you took were blocked
timid vector
Yeah indeed !
sick sentinel
cosmo this log explanation is perfect
timid vector
yeah it is ^^
sick sentinel
also try to check abilities you can block from bosses not only melee is blockable
you can check pins there should be a list for every ability you can block
in case you dont know i didnt see you asked about it so just wanted to say
timid jay
Yeah thats usually more important
Having good block % for auto attacks is great, but blocking those big special hits is usually even more important
We live and die by our SB usage in mythic antorus
stark sage
good block usage separates the men from the boys
timid vector
wow i get it..
in my logs the dk had absorbed dmg
in healing
category
but I cant see any absorb ability
: o
sick sentinel
dk doesnt have absorb i think
timid jay
They do have a few minor ones
sick sentinel
they either reduce the damage and heal themself back up
stark sage
they have a passive one
timid jay
You see the ones I marked with red lines, how the colour is slightly less opaque? That means its a absorb
timid vector
then 0 absorb spell.. weird
timid jay
Its hard to spot if you dont know which ones are absorbs sometimes but its there
timid jay
Its very subtle but its there nonetheless
Blood shield is from their mastery, refractive shell is from netherlight crucible, Light of absolarn is from a trinket and Umbilicus eternus is from a artifact trait
languid rose
so dk's are babies with an eternal umbilical cord
sick sentinel
what is the good block rate for aggramar tanking mine is around %56 since there is melee and reach
timid jay
As always it depends a bit on gear
sick sentinel
im checking how can i do better
languid rose
should get more than 56% tho unless you got almost no haste
timid jay
On my last kill I had 68.75% blocked on reach and 72.31% blocked on melee's
So it can definitely be higher, thats with roughly 35% haste
sick sentinel
i have good haste but i always wanted to enter 2 blocks to technique i was kinda scared tbh
undone sun
i have 85% but i use legs
sick sentinel
i was trying to take 2 foe breaker
languid rose
2nd breaker is with NF tho?
timid jay
I take double foe breaker, I make sure I have a SB up for the first one and NF for the second one ofc
sick sentinel
yeah i did the same but used block also lel
even tho its stupid i didnt trust the movement we will make
timid jay
I just keep a good track of the technique timer and make sure that I either have a SB ready or that I use one with roughly 3 seconds left until technique
Theres always the panic call for externals and popping SW/LS
timid vector
what is the link between haste and block% ?
timid jay
Higher haste gives you shorter cooldown on shield block
Its cooldown is 13 seconds base and is reduced by haste
Mastery does also help but to a lesser degree, the block change doesnt increase very fast
timid vector
😮 i see ^^
reef patrol
@final mist prot is no longer dead confirm plz
undone sun
obtuse tiger
So what's the consensus on the new Ignore Pain in the latest beta build?
timid jay
smoky garnet
glacial mortar
This talent ring change though
timid jay
Dont link it here
glacial mortar
rough lava
crucibleweight strings anywhere?
undone sun
yes, and no we don't have any crucible weights
languid rose
??????
undone sun
😬
timid jay
He got unlucky when unequipping soul I guess
little rain
It's dumb shit like crit primary stat ilvl increases I always struggle with equipping feelsbadman I dun wanna
obtuse vector
Will the shield proc from destiny driver (chest) if you intercept a tank just before forging strike on Kin'garoth?
undone sun
no
languid rose
Running a garbage leggo so you can risk both getting hit by forging?
obtuse vector
Trying to find 'something' that piece was put in the game for... hoping there is some use, somewhere.
undone sun
nope
hollow bolt
Tanking aggramar, swapped to Leggo ring to have wall every time i tank the boss thoughts? also anyone know if his cleave benefits from the dot he puts on the tank?
undone sun
SW isn't needed that often
civic holly
hi guys
i have 7/7 bastion of the aspects and really high mastery, shield block uptime so i feel like i get a lot of value out of it
but now i have a relic with 15 ilvl upgrade which has armor+revenge traits
the bastion relic has bastion + armor
so basically what im asking is, revenge+15ilvls worth trading out bastion for
i guess it comes back to a dps vs survival option
undone sun
defensively speaking bastion is nearly invaluable, not worth dropping for ilevel
hollow bolt
Im just getting crushed, i have no fucking idea what im doing wrong. Could someone look at my log and tell me if they notice where i fuck up real bad?
Soz about the shit relics ahead of time
sick sentinel
why do you assume you're doing something wrong?
remote tusk
🤔
Oh, mb, it's from all attempts 😄
From what I can see you should try to improve on your Shield Block uptime when off-tanking.
unborn island
@willow cloud it's good,but not necessary and generally not worth sacrificing ilvl for imo. (I don't use it)
willow cloud
thanks bud
unborn island
Guess it depends though I've only done 22s/ a couple of 23s there's guys here who are more experienced higher and could probs comment better
ember arrow
its good for fortified trash u dont need to kite, since the 4p will proc alot, and warr are actually capable of faceatnking fortified 23 adds + without oneshot
on bosses its also a decent extra chunk of ip, but its not something to go out of the way for
near bridge
What iL is considered minimum for m+15 and Antorus normal?
sick sentinel
920 is enough to do both but pugs wont take you with that ilvl
try to get 75 traits decent legendaries and you can reach 930+ ilvl easily with lfr and argus
primal crypt
15s right now have a ilvl requirement of 960
At least that's what it looks lime when you try and que
960 ilvl minimum with 4k raider.io score
And people will only take you if you're a dk
So triple fukt
royal lance
since vengeance and devastator is on the same talent tree on beta. what would you recommend?
lapis topaz
royal lance
ah ok, thanks 😗
storm slate
is there a tier list for trinkets?
timid jay
Theres a pinned trinket guide
storm slate
woops sorry shouldve checked
timid jay
👌
vocal nimbus
And once again the day is saved thanks to the space mariachi
timid jay
You still remember that avatar? LUL
vocal nimbus
The current one is a space mariachi too 🤷
timid jay
Do you have blood of sargeras?
timid jay
You can buy garrison resources with those
plain ice
if i have my loot specialization set to protection, can i still get Khaz'goroth's Courage from argus?
junior ivy
yes
plain ice
kind of like how you'll get legendaries for your offspecs if you have them all already for your main spec
junior ivy
i got the fury pantheon trinket while in prot loot spec.
plain ice
dope ty
junior ivy
np
soft kindle
Cat, best way to get resources is to give bodyguard the right equipment, combo with order hall advancement for resources per wq
junior ivy
does it count if its not a body guard
i have a guy who just gives me an extra button for my action bar
soft kindle
Think so yar
Just a dude who you can assign to be your buddy
Even if he only likes you ever 3 minutes
mortal hawk
@junior ivy to reiterate what others have said, the best way to get order resources in to get a bunch of +resource follower equipment on one follower and do your wqs. That and the order hall perk Spoils of War. I get 400 resources per wq with thorim and it makes stacking resources super easy.
jagged bay
since when can we charge on some pets?:o
ember arrow
what battle pets?
jagged bay
it says invalid target
ember arrow
i was thinking for a sec u meant battle pets
hearty compass
Hey all, did we get ignore pain back? Just I heard someone say we did
signal plover
@hearty compass yes check #410902883165405214 pins
hearty compass
Thanks :)
ember arrow
only inside antorus
and as warrior u shud be either dead or 100%
the raid proc is bad, especially for warriors
limpid locust
Is 4 set T21 worth getting or should I stick on 2set?
ember arrow
@limpid locust 4 set is decent for packs if u need surv, otherwise stick to 2 set
upper spoke
when i pug heroic ant and can't trust healers, i just throw on the old t20 and self-heal via IP
it makes you a 1-man raid ;p
soft kindle
Is it known that the NLC link in pins doesn't work
soft kindle
Makin sure. Progs over, so been doing more tanking. Prot is mad fun
lofty prawn
Just got my 7/7 bastion 6/6 Dragon skin. How much mitigation is bast?
ember arrow
44/88% DR when blocked
so critblocking melees with ip up, u take around 1% of the dmg
like this
lofty prawn
Holy crap
jagged bay
gz!
sick sentinel
will i have a 970 haste vers neck from upper vs a 960 of that damage neck, I guess I was just curious if using it was worth it vs the stats of what i got
sick sentinel
indeed
stark sage
id keep the 970
sick sentinel
yeah thought so
i know this might be a dumb question, but like whats a good percentage for haste/mastery/vers
stark sage
just shoot for ilvl
if you have above 25% haste you are doing fine
but dont be afraid to drop haste to gain ilvl
delicate urchin
can some one explain what trash is dangerous before first boss in seat? and how to not die there?
ember arrow
the blobs, kite them
the little dudes on 4 legs, they cast a nuke on u, reflect it
same with the 4 bigger adds in the middle
dark withering its called
delicate urchin
okay, thx
peak cloud
for the blobs, can't you wait until they die then move away? Very similar to the blobs in arcway
ember arrow
u kite because they put masive dot on u
sick sentinel
those blobs is the reason tanks are dying mostly and you need belf to keep em from applying to tank if tank isnt kiting
languid rose
it's like aggramar, instead of doing the tank dance you just wait until you die then fly away
sick sentinel
lol
split wagon
Hey ! Does dps argus trinket activates for tanks too ?
kind glen
I believe at half the rate though, so not really worth if you have the tank one.
split wagon
Hmm cause the dmg is higher when I equip it as prot 104k vs 66k as fury
soft lotus
hey, I'm pretty happy with class ring (booming voice + vengeance), so I should probably stay with that. But could someone comment on that vs Kakushan's gloves please? I'm wondering how much I'm giving up.
kind glen
You aren't giving up much. Class ring is almost wasted with T21
Gloves are the GOAT with T21, IMO
soft lotus
GOAT? G of all T?
kind glen
Yeah. I think they are by far the best balanced legendary. With the extra rage + extra damage it's really hard to beat.
soft lotus
okay
kind glen
Make the swap, never look back,.
soft lotus
with T21 does booming voice beat vengeance?
pseudo musk
Where can I find relic information?
I'm new to prot and wanted to check something out.
Unless someone here can answer my question (:
soft lotus
wowhead's guide is a good starting point I think http://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-netherlight-crucible
emhpasis on starting point
pseudo musk
I have a 945 relic that gives me Bastion of the Aspects and Will to Survive - I have a 940 that gives me Dragon Skin and Vrykul Shield Training - What would be better? Keeping the 945 or switching to the 940? I only lose 1 ilvl.
kind glen
Bastion is by far the best defensively
stark sage
bastion is the best relic hands down
kind glen
^^
pseudo musk
Okay thanks guy!
stark sage
you should shoot for 7/7 bastion and never drop any
kind glen
Well, for defensive purposes lol
stark sage
ofc but dps traits are kinda meh for prot anyway
kind glen
True, but it's the ilvl I was really talking about
My 985 blood replaced a bastion. Easy to do when not progressing mythic.
stark sage
i suppose so, i just like seeing the massive blocked scythes
kind glen
It's always nice. But I can get to 17+ with 5/7, so I'll just pray to the rng lol
kind glen
It was on our 0% wipe last night
I'm still counting it in terms of DPS though. 1.225m. My highest by a lot.
waxen cradle
is it weird if logging on live and playing prot knowing how slowed down we will be in about 3 months makes me sad just wondering
I mean yes that is no excuse to not play, but still its a big difference and the fast pace of live is a big thing for me
robust lance
We have a warrior dying to orbs on p3 argus even with spell reflect up, Is he doing something wrong or should he be using spell reflect+ a minor cd?
austere fern
I usually use Spell reflect and ignore pain and it's plenty up to heroic.
undone sun
Sr only last for 5 seconds I dont think you'll be able to collect them with just sr
Pretty sure the orbs don't spawn on heroic
austere fern
I assumed they meant bomb, carry on!
robust lance
Yeah talking mythic argus p3 sorry. He's dying even just soaking 1 or 2 sometimes was just why I was asking.
undone sun
weird, just sounds like improper rage management along with IP management
50% DR helps significantly but it's not the only use
robust lance
alright thanks will have a look and see
fickle jetty
Without T20 is the walls fell + wrists still stronger defensively than gloves+belt?
undone sun
keeping t20 is dependent on how much ilevel you drop, it's worth dropping at 25 ilevels
bracers is still the best defensive lego when you need the healing
fickle jetty
I don't have t20 at all
undone sun
so the answer is no
fickle jetty
just trying to figure out my best defensive option
fickle jetty
kk thanks
ancient wraith
is it better to have 4pc 20-t and 2 pc 21-t even if I already have 960 21-tier?
cinder nova
No.
ancient wraith
I see, thanks.
also, I know the guide says to change gear if it's 10 ilvls higher, I have 940 legs with 1371 haste and 548 crit, and 960 with 1400 crit and 635 haste. with 940 legs I have 36.4% haste.
undone sun
960s are better
sage sphinx
What pots are best for DPS? Prolonged power?
junior ivy
argus mythic has how many phases?
jade socket
3
junior ivy
and p3 is like p4 heroic?
jade socket
not really
has modules but thats about it
and the scythe debuff doesnt come off like heroic
lapis topaz
(not a mythic raider) I think you use the tree to come back
jade socket
yeah you have the tree and quite a few brs
dusty prairie
1st tank trees solo, 2nd takes tree on mass suicide, you have 3 breses afterwards and maybe a rez totem (depends comp)
undone sun
Yup, the given battle rezzes are mostly saved for the tanks
dusty prairie
luckily once they're learned p1/p2 arent to stressful and can be beaten with people down fairly easily if they do somehow die
merry cave
Lol 24 lower Kara less points than a 20 because we took so long ^_^
wild vine
Does going up on portal keeper remove your stacks?
lapis topaz
I don't think going up does, but it allows them to fall off via timing out
fickle jetty
Tonight was my second time tanking my guild's alt run as warrior -- I have a ton of tank experience on all these fights but not much as prot. Anything noticeable I'm doing wrong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DhZRyJgKC7Q1k3Gd
empty locust
Does anyone know for certain what the timing is on diminishing returns for stuns.
sage vault
I've been seeing an influx of prot warriors using indomitable instead of devastator after just coming back to this game from the start of Tomb. Is Devastator still the best for RPS and Mitigation? Or has something changed?
plain ice
devastator is still the best
sage vault
Thanks!
stark sage
indom :notlikethis:
sage vault
I've been seeing it everywhere when I've been in mythic and heroic Antorus. Confused me
plain ice
sometimes you even get a nice ravager
sage vault
Other tank in the group I'm in right now has it
plain ice
he's also probably doing like 500k dps
stark sage
dunno why he is using it, its worse in almost every possible situation
sage vault
I mean, I'm all for devastator
weary fog
I got the spiked collar neck from the m+ cache this week. Was wondering if it simmed well for aoe tanking, seems it does. I was simming for enchants and this happened. I don't think raidbots fully supports protection for fights other than patchwork, but I'm not sure what's happening here. I've double checked, I haven't got the item level wrong. Any explanation for why it's displaying this:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nVd3HjGq5d9V8XeWNGMg99
stark sage
aoe sims dont work
weary fog
Yeah, but I at least thought they wouldn't work consistently 😃
stark sage
its not that raidbots doesnt support it, its just the APL doesnt support it
its designed for patchwerk
im assuming it has to do with the RFDT calculation
signal plover
@sage vault I can almost guarantee you that this is the culprit behind the indom hr warriors you are seeing...icy veins guide is top google result and the "easy mode" section contains this
signal plover
Yeah not even WB in first tier
stark sage
who is this vlad guy
signal plover
I thought Treckie wrote this
tawny glen
round hornet
ilvl > stats, but 35% is not very much