If you care about survivability
#protection
timid jay
fervent harness
ofc, then i can press revenge more
olive granite
master of shadows or secure in the light, third tier is dragon skin or revenge dmg
sick sentinel
master of shadows %5 avoidance is good
and 500 mastery
i dont really care about t3 traits if its not bastion
plain ice
was pugging my weekly heroic antorus run last night. co-tank pug takes his foe breaker + flame rend combo. i taunt for the next foe breaker. 3 seconds later he taunts back and wipes the entire raid with foe breaker. i got kicked. FUN TIMES.
i used to raid hardcore during bc -> cata. shit like this makes me want to join a guild again. but i just want to power through heroic every week and don't care too much about mythic. not sure if guilds like that even exist.
signal plover
Lots of heroic guilds
round hornet
Also casuals in mythic guilds
Like we have a couple people who don't raid mythic with us and don't want to but will come for heroic every week
sick sentinel
Ye and ppl like that usually get to do sale runs which is sweet
lilac forum
mannoroth's vs thundergod's vigor?
plain ice
that sounds like exactly the kind of guild i need
signal plover
Like in a street fight?
round hornet
you can prolly find some big mythic guilds on ur server that take in casuals yeah
for m+ and heroic and stuff
plain ice
where's the best place to look for guild recruitment these days? @round hornet forums? wowprogress? discord channel? trade chat?
round hornet
wowprog and forums are good, but usually if its a mythic guild their recruitment stuff would be focused on their raid team
theres also #promotion
sick sentinel
Best bet is probably just whispering some of the good guilds on your server and asking for a spot as a social
Some kinda have a friends of friends only policy but thats the only thing that should get in your way
plain ice
thanks ya'll
stuck coral
signal plover
@modest glen do you mean soulbomb and 2xburst? That should be soaked out of the raid or u gunna die
2 bursts can be soaked on top of raid but bomb has to fuck off
(by a warrior)
gaunt pewter
Hy guys, what do you think about this necklase? http://wowhead.com/item=142174&bonus=1826:1462
verbal socket
@stuck coral what do you mean?
You can spellreflect and run over the knockback mines
Get BOPed and run over red mines if youβre clearing lasers on the way back, use skystep potions so you can go fast, use SW/LS if you need it;
You just remember the green mines debuff you if you take few in row you die
The edges also debuff you
plain ice
i should be using SR on the third stack of fiery strike on coven, ya?
undone sun
Definitely want your biggest Dr for the later hits but it's definitely safer to swap at two
Though idk if that's the norm if you're two tanking
sick plinth
Hey, what do you guys think would be better for the mage tower challenge, the Grand Army ring or the Sephuz ring?
ive also got the one that gives you the vengeance talent
plain ice
can you list all of your legendaries?
vocal nimbus
sephuz
plain ice
or do you just have those 3 rings?
vocal nimbus
out of those 3
sick plinth
I have the gauntlets, the walls fell ring, the boots, the belt, destiny driver, archimondes trinket and those rings
vocal nimbus
use gloves and belt
plain ice
yup, gloves and belt m8
sick plinth
Any general tips for the mage tower? Im pretty comfy in the 1st phase now but not seen much of the 2nd
onyx vessel
i was having trouble on p2 as well then i noticed twisted reflection was interuptable/spell reflectable and killed it
sick plinth
ooo nice, cheers π
onyx vessel
it applies a debuff to you that heals them so very important
glacial mortar
Just got T21. I assume I just use this on CD and spam Shield slam. Should I time this with Demoralizing for the damage increase? Unsure.
onyx vessel
like if demo/battle cry is coming off cd under 10seconds yes wait no if they arent
onyx vessel
im curious if t21 4 set is worth over 3% haste and 35ilvl worth of gear
stark sage
I'm gonna say probably not but 2pc is
junior ivy
grats!
atomic axle
Grats Dude
timid jay
π
sick plinth
cheers π
rancid pier
Grats!
jagged bay
congrats dood!
olive granite
960 vrykul shield training with chaotic darkness and revengedmg or 950 last stand master of shadows revenge dmg ?
timid jay
Id keep the one with master of shadows
And Id farm m+ hoping I'd get a relic with bastion since thats the only trait that really matters
olive granite
ye is my offspecc so i dont really care, ty
signal fern
7/7 bastion with 100% mastery, hr and ~30% haste
its possible to even solo tank mythic aggramar, not counting adds
olive granite
200str gem aint worth over statgems rite
fickle jetty
How do you do the bridge clear as warrior on Imonar?
Normal tanks are out this week
hollow bolt
Spell reflect and pop bombs i believe. Bop and sprint across. Use speed boots or skystep potion of need be.
rain hare
@fickle jetty First and Third bridge you need to use Spell Reflect and jump in front of the bombs. If you dont have Spell Reflect up anymore, use your other cd's. I would recommend you to stop at 3/4 stacks.
For Second and Fourth bridge, use the jump to get the velocity and run. If you have Skystep Potion it'll be better. I recommend you to use Last Charge when popping things and then Shield Wall when you're done, and spam Ignore Pain to have some of that shield (+ with Mannoroth Bracalet you'll get healed a lot)
rain hare
CD's is only if you really want to survive that. Some people saves CR for that guy who runs over the bridge and clears everything so he can revive back
If you dont really need to, save them
Phase 3 is painfull
undone sun
pretty sure DS but how would it be afffected by haste
cinder nova
Hmmm.
How's a guy supposed to parse on coven?
I'm positioning so I can revenge and TC while not active
And half the time I can position
But I'm not even breaking 1.2M
deft sapphire
Try take crackling thunder so you can hit them more often and jump when you thunder clap
undone sun
yeah
lilac forum
or highmountain tauren?
is it worth to reroll for better survivability, with boost from bfa for example?
remote tusk
No
rough summit
anyone with simple weak aura for kruul ?
undone sun
rough summit
this is bad
honest mantle
Windscar Whetstone (Court of Stars trinket) is garbo, right?
ember arrow
honest mantle
Why do they make trinkets that underperform like that? x.x
Happy weekly chest to y'all
honest mantle
Kappa
astral crystal
can someone help me understand where this damage is coming from?
i have like 20 ticks of aggramar's sacrifice
not entirely sure why or how that happened
calm cove
looks like soulbomb went boom and you were close to most of your raid
@astral crystal
astral crystal
the way we're doing it is just popping bombs behind the boss, i think only one healer suicides
calm cove
ye but the whole raid still takes dmg from the bomb and if you have them in range for the redirect you go splat
astral crystal
so how do i fix that? do we move the afflicted outside of the entire group?
or rather, do we not have them clumped with the rest of the raid?
calm cove
signal plover
If you're soaking in raid u need to only soak bursts and bomb needs to fuck off to africa
signal plover
If you're soaking all 3(super dangerous for warrior) you need to be out of raid with the 3 ppl affected
astral crystal
okok
signal plover
It's ok to soak bursts with raid stacked on ya
U'll still need a CD to be safe but it's much more survivable
astral crystal
gotcha, thanks dudes
desert matrix
new to prot i looked on the guide but didnt see exactly what trinkets i should use in dungeons just wondering if fabricator, egg shell. or scourgewing would be better
astral crystal
scourgewing is good if you're just going for deeps
desert matrix
yeah i dont have any tank trinkets besides pantheon
lilac forum
Why performance by key level is nonexistent here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QhvjMH43mFG8qKDr/#type=healing&fight=last&graphperf=2
only at my prot warr
lime blade
damn i thought guardian mage tower was hard, but wtf is going on with prot
lilac forum
ye its kinda hard, but atleast u r mobile
lilac forum
1st phase is rly hard for prot, idk why
compared to other specs
overall u cant make any mistakes, its so punishing lol
unkempt tree
lilac forum
well try doing it without mannoroth's and kakushan and 920 it lvl
it is pretty hard then
but with good legendaries and 940+ it becomes much easier
lilac forum
only if u r playing most of the time and already know almost everything
zealous ore
If you don't know what you're doing then doing the mage tower at 920 sounds even worse.
lilac forum
From ur or mine perspective 940 is easy but for begginers it aint that easy at all
signal plover
It was doable at 895ish when it was released you just have to play very solid.
It's a good challenge for prot toolkit
Leggos help but you still have to plan out what you're doing a lot more than some other tanks.
I'd recommend using gold balls pretty frequently in P1.
proper parrot
hey im 3rd tanking vari wahts the idea talent and leggy set up ?
sick sentinel
Um
U prob want leap talent
But u don't do anything except hit boss and sometimes go out
vocal nimbus
You dont need anything
sick sentinel
Nothing special lol
vocal nimbus
No
sick sentinel
Pants gloves
vocal nimbus
You can SR each escort without pants
sick sentinel
Then belt and pants
I've never done that fight as escort, but it doesn't seem hard
Not belt and pants
Gloves and belt
proper parrot
pants ? i was gloves and belt
timid jay
^
proper parrot
thats what im asking
timid jay
No reason not to go full damage
proper parrot
just trying to sim out my highest dmg set up
vocal nimbus
You asked whats ideal, cant know how you can max your dps without knowing what you have
proper parrot
roger that im simming now dw just finding out what trinkets i need
robust bronze
how do you think darkmoon 900 vs writhing heart of darkness 945 to raid?
sick sentinel
depends on the encounter mostly
but i think writhing should be better for defensive purposes %7.5 damage reduction is good if you can keep the debuff up
robust bronze
i dont i have a problem keeping it up
sick sentinel
sometimes damage you take comes from different targets or you take the damage when you cant keep the debuff up obviously trinket losts its value when that happens
but im using it alot in m+ against high magic damage tyranical bosses didnt use it in raids never needed it
sick sentinel
Darkmoon 900 is one of the best damage reductions in the game for its item level
mortal carbon
for argus 20 ilvl or 3% avoidance?
junior ivy
what level must an engineer be to use dalaran AH?
undone sun
no requirement
junior ivy
casue i wanna start using a bank toon
and sending it gold
so i dont sepnd it
spend
vocal nimbus
just stay in orgrimmar/stormwind?
junior ivy
you never know whe nmy bank t oon might need to go to exodar!
undone sun
π€
junior ivy
π
i cant learn engineering casue it costs 10 copper and i have 0 copper lol
guess i gotta send myself gold first
vocal nimbus
the first 10 copper of your level 1 bank toon traveler
brave mauve
I can never seem to avoid the felbombardment on Heroic Garothi Worldbreaker. Even when I make a B-line straight ahead, the last 1 or 2 always clip me. Is that just the wayit's gotta be without Aggramar's Stride, or am I doing this wrong?
junior ivy
i dont move in a perfectly straight line i kinda do like a loop
i dont use special legendaries or anything
brave mauve
That's strange that that'd work better
vocal nimbus
At around half room away from the boss if you run to the back you wont get hit
Remember that it throws 6 bombs
I usually do 3 running back and an U-turn for the next 3
To go back to the boss
brave mauve
I'll try it tonight. On heroic, I take like no damage either way, but I'm about to finally make the jump into Mythic, and don't want it to be a problem.
Thank you
vocal nimbus
my god
junior ivy
the angry guy is garothi the red line is my path
brave mauve
DaVinci/10
junior ivy
lolol
vocal nimbus
well
brave mauve
All right, I'm gonna give it a shot.
sick sentinel
Lmao
brave mauve
It's surrealism, ok?
junior ivy
can i get any nice tmogs for a lvl 1 warrior?
brave mauve
Aside from T1/2/aq40/3(if you bought it), not really.
junior ivy
are tmogs shatred across toons?
brave mauve
Yeah
I've got a level 35 warr I'm levelling up when I'm bored in T3 and aq40 mismatch that's pretty cool
junior ivy
kj cause on my main warrior i have 44/48 tmog sets
so that means i can use any on my lvl 1 bank toon?
brave mauve
Nice. At level 1, you can only use raid sets, for some reason. It doesn't like letting you use anything gained from BoE's or questing otherwise. But actual raid gear works, so rocking quelserrar, elementium infused bulwark, T3, all possible at level 1.
Raid sets from vanilla* No BC+ sets
brave mauve
AQ40 warrior, the worst nightmare of anyone on a pvp server in 2006. Good pick
junior ivy
wo w a horde killed my auctioneer i am not happy
brave mauve
War has changed
plain ice
for argus p2 - what's the best way to make sure that the tank with the avatar buff can soak the soul bomb? is it this from tanknotes.tk? In phase 2 - If you do the first tank swap at 4 stacks of scythe, this then makes the rest of the fight line up better as you have more natural swaps for the buffed/non-buffed tank with orb spawns
or am i thinking about it too much and you can just taunt at 2/3 stacks and it'll line up by itself
undone sun
we taunt swap at 2 stacks and it's a nonissue
but we also don't have tanks soak the bombs, only bursts
hasty sapphire
Just got this for my 1st Kill of Argus. im at 40% Haste and 61% Mastery now with DPS gear. after what amount does another SS fit into BC?
round hornet
if ur 3 tanking it like doesnt matter much in my exp @plain ice
undone sun
55%
but it's not something to really actively go for, just stick with the normal stat priority @hasty sapphire
glacial mortar
I had a question regarding shield block uptime. Been looking at a lot of logs and noticing that their uptime isnt close to 100%. More like 60ish. Is that normal or?
hasty sapphire
while actively tanking or overall?
undone sun
not 100% uptime is normal
you want high active block uptime but depending on the boss it's not always likely to have 100%
glacial mortar
I looked at Felhounds, where youre tanking 100%
undone sun
the melees aren't an issue, you just need to cover the maws
glacial mortar
Yea, I was just under the impression that shield block is basically something you want up all the time akin to Ironskin brew for monks
undone sun
insane amount of haste
bitter sparrow
Is there a prot warrior mage tower guide in discord somewhere or just hit up youtube?
obsidian siren
Hey guys, for pure HPS, which combo do you think is more effective? 6P/bracers/TWF? or replace TWF with soul? or just regular 4P with bracers? mb prydaz?
undone sun
@bitter sparrow wowhead has an acceptable guide
obsidian siren
Warrior kruul is prolly the most accessible tank challenge with T21
languid rose
wish we could redo it to see how easy it is with t21 π¦
young marlin
Anything special protection warriors can do to make Mythic progression easier on Eonar? Haven't thrown myself at her yet but doing so in a few hours and would love any tips/suggestions
undone sun
nothing specific to warrior
young marlin
Cool, just going to not die xD
obsidian siren
Tanking won't be the issue ^^
young marlin
The final whatever and adds getting to Eonar look like the problem
young marlin
So I am assuming she has a special cast to do the weakening of the ship (the thing you need her to do 4 times) and if you kill everything too fast energy is wasted and the encounter goes on for longer?
I watched fatboss but i haven't seen anything regarding the nukefest problem
jade socket
if you dont over dps all you have to do is kill the destructors and fel lords at the end
young marlin
So not a problem to nuke the map?
jade socket
by nuke you mean just killing everything asap?
young marlin
Yep
jade socket
theres a few packs you dont want to asap
you want to either lower their health a bit and let the life force kill them
by killing something bigger like a purifier
or just dont touch them at all and finish them off after life force
little rain
Is there still literally no way to sim prot in any capacity?
wooden lark
just got aggramar's conviction, is it bis trinket?
jade socket
generally at a higher ilvl
prisma crane
it's better for dps than surv
but we wear it for the raid
and, tbh, none of the fights in ant require full surv outside of maybe imonar on progression
sick sentinel
its a must wear in raid
plus it boosts your teams proc chance
which is always good
cinder nova
ay I feel like a goon
using timeless strat for M agg so he doesn't move
But it's fun as hell so w/e
nova arch
Fuck you, kruul π‘ π‘ π‘
subtle shadow
You got this, bud!
nova arch
It was a race to see who would die first - kruul with korthaz slowly hitting him for ~150k a time, or velan with four nether horrors on him
One more hit was all it would have taken...:(
verbal socket
hit it hardrr
nova arch
Thanks for that, genius. Can tell you've got a really high intelligence stat.
rose orbit
Is having a dps with taunt tank Asara for the coven fight a norm?
jade socket
Yes
rose orbit
Alright thanks for the heads up, gonna try it for our upcoming coven kill π
hasty dock
I don't tank a lot and was wondering what to help our or tell our newer tank we had for a guild alt heroic run. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WDG9FqgzJYB4rn31 (His name is Destrilion and I am the other Warrior Starshina)
3 things Im thinking right off the bat are
- Gear is a mess. DPS pant trinket like wtf and not strong leg choices it seems
- Talents swapped after dying to felhounds-a lot.... but still was a struggle to keep alive through all the fights
- He plays a healer in our main raid group not sure if he is use to all the tank stuff happening.
I know there are a lot of things he needs to work on but what are some things I can look at specifically in his logs to in future weeks and what are the best first steps to help the dude.. Log analyzer has a shit ton of stuff
timid jay
@hasty dock So firstly he was playing the correct talents on garothi but he seems to be missing some of the basic rotational things we do as a prot warrior
Looking at the logs it seems to me like he quickly read the guide or asked someone shorty about how to play prot warrior because there are a lot of things hes missing
hasty dock
@timid jay He has the Toon at max lvl for a couple weeks so prob the first of scimming and not understanding. Will def link him the Stuff pinned here to start
timid jay
I could go more into detail if you want to, I'd prefer if he came here himself though
hasty dock
Sounds good. The more I scim (ha) the material you guys have here the more im kinda seeing its a lot too
timid jay
So the most glaring issue to me is the usage of battle cry and demoralizing shout
Those should almost always be used on cooldown
The reason for that is to generate as much rage as possible for bigger ignore pain and lowering the cooldown of BC and DS plus our big cooldowns
Its especially important to keep BC on cooldown with our t21 2p
He also never cast revenge on garothi
Its not something you always want to spend rage on but I highly doubt he went the entire fight without a free revenge proc
(He also has Soul of the battlelord legendary equipped meaning he should weave as much as possible with IP and revenge since its a net gain)
He also didnt gem/enchant that legendary ring π€
And when I look at boss abilities hes pretty low on % blocked on them suggesting bad SB usage
For bosses like hounds and high command you should always have SB up for the tank hits
In this case the frontal cone AoE on hounds and exploit weakness on high command
Tl:dr, played the right talents on the first boss but didnt utilize them, his rotation is very poor and bad SB usage
hasty dock
Great info and great advice., going to copy this down and give it to him later and recommend he join the disc for sure for future questions, we are pretty casual guild on a whole but I still don't want to see my mate be on a major struggle bus the entire time
timid jay
π
junior igloo
What is the autoattack damage of High Command bosses?
timid jay
Cant say I know π€
obsidian siren
Whaddaya mean by "what is"? how much ?
Additionally, has anyonhere given red bridge a shot as prot warrior on imonar? is it feasible?
junior igloo
Yes, as in how much do they hit for
obsidian siren
I was thinking more of a "full clean, hold yourself on the other side"
signal plover
The incoming dmg from the stacks was threatening through CDs even with just half the bridge
junior igloo
And yes, I did the bridges on a warrior, but it was the worst tank to do it on (out of paladin, DK, monk, warrior).
obsidian siren
I was thinking, with a shitton of versa, manno + soul, maybe we can keep ourselves alive on the boss
i know the best tanks for it are prolly DH and DK
Was that AHC question baseline dmg pre exploit weakness ?
junior igloo
Yeah, I was just curious how hard the Exploit hits for compared to autoattacks
obsidian siren
cuz i've seen swings hit for 9 or 11M on fucked up scenarios π
junior igloo
Because it doesn't seem threatening by itself
obsidian siren
Yeah, swings will kill ya
(if something does kill ya, it'll be swings is what i mean)
timid jay
I mean exploit weakness is ~7.5M physical damage before the added physical damage taken debuff
Doubt he autos for more than that
obsidian siren
They sometimes go Exploit + swing in a split second which is horrid and rng
100% effective SB uptime is really doable tho
junior igloo
You take melees after the EW that applies the debuff so it's a bit skewed.
But in general I think just keeping some reduction up at 2 stacks (and maybe 1 depending on class/gear) is more important that looking for the special cast.
timid jay
Or you know, taunt on 2
So thats not a issue
π€
The hit from exploit weakness does hurt a lot more than a singular auto attack though, big unmitigated hits will kill a prot warrior
obsidian siren
Are those prot warrior dmg profiles? Oo
obsidian siren
Yeah, but he'll take less on all those abilities
obsidian siren
Yeah, more along the lines of what i have ^^
timid jay
Is that taunting on 3?
junior igloo
2 I think
obsidian siren
lemme get you my sloppy taunting on 3
coral jasper
Should be 3-4.. 2 let's your EW drop?
obsidian siren
yes
timid jay
2 is enough
timid jay
Doesnt mean its extra damage taken
obsidian siren
We're talking mythic tho
timid jay
And thats massively outgearing heroic
coral jasper
But no warriors healing is so OP on this fight with IP
junior igloo
I just found it curious that Exploit Weakness was something to look out for and use a reduction, that's all.
I didn't even know it did damage :-D
I just assumed it's a debuff, or an equivalent to a melee + applying damage rather.
timid jay
lul
obsidian siren
XD
timid jay
Thing is though if you pop SB for the exploit weakness chances are you'll use it right before and thus cover the auto's after
Heres the damage for it at least
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=244892/exploit-weakness
junior igloo
Yeah, I did find that, but didn't have the comparison with a melee.
timid jay
Fair enough
obsidian siren
Went with the memebuild on our first kill, felt absurdly strong
idk why, always feel like Ishkar hits much harder than the other two π€
signal plover
The third one?
obsidian siren
second
signal plover
Ah for us it was the third cuz ppl are mongoloids and stack up mine debuffs like it's a party
timid jay
Extending or just argus farm?
signal plover
Hoping next week the Bois get it together
We just swapped one of our priests to shadow (instead of double holy) and our ele sham to resto.
So once he learns his new dance I think we got it.
rocky pollen
Hey folks, my prot warrior is an alt of mine and my guild has been letting me tank our alt runs. I dont have much experience tanking, so there are probably some glaring things I am missing. The enchant on the ring and the dps trinket are going to get resolved ASAP. I may use Archimonde's instead since all my tanking leggos are crap right now anywho. Heres the log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kLQNCm6A49tyMGz3/
signal plover
Your dmg and healing output are rly low for your ilvl but talents and gear look ok so it's mostly a rotation issue.
You have soul ring but you're not vengeance weaving (alternating IP and revenge casts)
You also have 2pc t21 but your shield slam cast count is super low
(I am looking at garothi tho lettme scope out hounds)
@rocky pollen do you use weak auras at all? I think you could heavily benefit from some that show you a couple things (most notably when Shield slam is useable)
unborn island
From looking at the Garothi Log, agree that your use of SS is very low, I also don't see any uptime on battle cry. make sure to use it whenever it's up, and spam it during battlecry, along with ignore pain. Most of the rotational stuff that I think you're missing you could sort out if you have a read of the pins in this channel, and then spend 30 mins on the training dummy in the order hall., so that's what I'd recommend doing π
It makes me happy when people come here to ask for advice though, shows that people are willing to learn.
one of the MTs in my guild is a warrior who uses 0 t21, and pulls ~600-700k dps on bosses, I can't complain as I don't raid mythic, but I just don't get how you do that little when you have a lot of M boss kills and are using like 978 gear.
I guess even he is better than the 3 warrior tanks in my 20 tank mythic raid who were running indom and pulling 300k dps in 970+ gear.....
signal plover
There's a fair amount of bad resources out there that recommend poorly optimized talent builds but show up high on a Google search for prot warr
Nearly every pug warrior (even some guildy prot warr alts) I've run into runs indom
unborn island
I immediately leave pugs if I'm tanking with someone using indom
just makes it an absolute shitfest where I can't push any buttons, opposite of fun.
signal plover
Just pull threat and get booted
signal plover
On alts mostly :/
unborn island
don't do guild runs π¦
signal plover
During the weekend
unborn island
and when I do....similar things happen, refer pevious post
timid jay
I dont usually show up for our heroic clears anymore
signal plover
I do when a mouthy resto sham actually wants to have an HPS race on hounds
unborn island
nice
signal plover
Lol
signal plover
Which eye
timid jay
Can recommend trying it though
signal plover
Fharg?
unborn island
have never kept them stacked on heroic (pug life), think my best is c.1.7 too
signal plover
Idk if our heroic alt run can manage a sub 3 min kill time
timid jay
With a hPal it would have been a lot easier from a tanking standpoint
unborn island
yeah, can imagine
think I pulled aggro from both during hero on my best parse, but not 100% sure
signal plover
I'll party this on the next heroic run I decide to go to
unborn island
I'd like to see how I could do on mythic parses, managed an orange Garothi parse on a 9.5 minute 20 tank kill, so imagine I could do some damage π
(I'm just a dps inside a tank's body~)
rocky pollen
@signal plover @unborn island Yea I have Ipse's weakauras from wago. My uptimes would probably be worse otherwise. Even with them though I lose track of things when in combat (SS being off cooldown, SB not up when it could be, etc.). I may need to add sounds to them, like I have for my priest. I have read the pins here and thats where Ive gotten my general idea of what to do, but it sounds like I just need time in the trenches. It is helpful to here direct pointers, even though the things yall did say are in the guides. I did eventually pick up on battle cry later on in the evening, although probably couldve still used it more.
signal plover
The core issue is you're not generating rage well enough and by extension also not dumping it fast enough.
obsidian siren
And we need rage gen to live
unborn island
no worries dude, more time in the trenches is generally a good idea - I'm not sure what your legendary optinos are, but to me it looks like you're using the ring + Prydaz, combined with your T21, nearly any other prot leggos work better than those.
Also, I'd suggest using demo shout a lot as well, if you're using the ring, I'm guessing you are using vengeance and booming voice, DS is a really nice damage/rage boost too.
signal plover
Not slamming BC as often as possible during the fight and then not filling that window up with SS casts will hold you back a lot.
I think he mentioned he had poor choices for leggos ATM
rocky pollen
yea my leggos are crap, the only halfway decent one would be archimonde's
according the lists Ive seen on here
signal plover
Overall it just seems like you're not casting abilities enough
rocky pollen
on BC is it somethign to keep for high damage or just on cooldown?
signal plover
On CD
Battle cry is an offensive cooldown to be pressed as often as possible during the fight to generate huge rage amounts (with t21 2pc because of the no CD on SS)
Which translates to big defensive boosts
fathom onyx
sorry, maybe the answer was mentioned, but why indom is considered a bad choice?
rocky pollen
devastator gets you more rage which is more survivability
fathom onyx
that's a good point
rocky pollen
but because im bad and using that rage is doesnt mean much for me
so until I can use that rage better I have to use indom to live
unborn island
I played with Indom for basically all of nighthold after I came back from a 2 year break
the cushion when I was re-learning the class was quite nice to have
only changed to dev once I knew the encounters well enough to not need to think about it
indom playstyle is a lot more like warrior was back when I played it seriously in WOTLK
but after I got decent haste and learned Deva, never went back
fathom onyx
well, with my ilvl indom gives me about 1.2M hp, and 60 rage-spent IP gives 1.3M hp, 20% of it is about 300k.. Can rage generated by devastator give that much mitigation?
ah, i prob know the answer, get more haste -.-
signal plover
It's outperformed by devastator for every DPS and survival metric
Don't be lulled into security by a bigger HP pool
unborn island
that said, with 6m(ish?) base HP, you'll probably get a lot more haste which makes it feel better, but isn't required
signal plover
Indom is only useful for situations where you would need that extra base HP to survive a hit
And that situation doesn't rly exist in ABT
fathom onyx
but couldn't I survive this hit with stacked IP and defensive?
really, 1.3m shouldn't make that much diff, and if I die that way, my hp is not the issue there
old zephyr
there would be argus p4 to get high stacks on HM but it's not needed there
signal plover
That's my point yes
fathom onyx
OK, so time to find some proper guide then π
old zephyr
Icy-Veins one is pretty good
true hound
what's you guys scythe record on argus hc?
old zephyr
Maybe in the 'beginer's section' but not in the detailed thing
I think I went something like 12-14
I usually don't die to it because boss dies before me (I tank second )
signal plover
Ppl have block/mastery cheesed up to I think 30 on heroic
@fathom onyx use PDF guide in pins
Don't use icy veins
timid jay
Thats roughly where it starts becoming RNG
Depending on your bastion traits and gear in general
junior ivy
i just panic and use my cds way too early
obsidian siren
Or you can run 90% mast with t19 and go up to 20 ish stacks with the lust ^^
sick sentinel
Lots of things you can do
90% mastery is amazing and with hero haste you can get SB every time
obsidian siren
Getting a feel of how little CD you need to handle the scythes is important though
obsidian siren
gratz π
granite python
How is Warrior tank working on mythic? just got bad reviews
granite python
but are you tanking Each Boss?
timid jay
Warriors are perfectly fine for mythic antorus
We are more punishing than most other tanks to play but if played well we are extremely strong
sick sentinel
Yes
obsidian siren
What i was about to say, mistakes are more punishing, but in return, your survivability can be off the charts
sick sentinel
If U are good, u are a top tier tank
Prot is only considered "bad/weak" because of the lack of utility
obsidian siren
"urrr u need to chuz between 2 required talents"
timid jay
But yeah, we definitely dont bring much utility
Roar isnt really needed in any fight in antorus but massgrip is mandatory for aggramar I'd say
junior ivy
are we gonna be better tanks in BFA?
sick sentinel
Can't tell yet
Still beta, lots of changes will come
@obsidian siren u on dalaran EU?
obsidian siren
That's me
obsidian siren
ja
sick sentinel
I like arms
obsidian siren
I like arms, but blizz doesn't like us π
sick sentinel
I like arms, love prot
sick sentinel
Oh yeah helping u out
I love antorus prot, gonna be much slower in BFA
Still didn't kill Imonar i see, how close r u
timid jay
Arms is amazing in BfA
primal crypt
Prot is amazing in bfa -Cosmo
primal crypt
π
primal crypt
As of right now I think I'll stick with my bdk unless some major changes come forward
obsidian siren
I wanna try beta arms ;_;
timid jay
its π
lavish arrow
do you think its better to use prydaz/insignia or prydaz/soul
coral jasper
For what situation?
lavish arrow
i have 2p
timid jay
Soul isnt that good once you get t21 2p
coral jasper
but ill swap to legs for SR on magical heavy situations
Legs Soul that is
I dont have many legendaries its like a 6th alt
timid jay
I mostly run gloves+belt
coral jasper
I WOULD but I don't think I have the belt.
timid jay
@lavish arrow are those all the legendaries you have?
coral jasper
You know i made a prot warr bc I main Hpally and they ALL sucked when I would heal one in M+
primal crypt
Glove legs!
coral jasper
Then I played one and was like --- wow I just get shit luck
primal crypt
Need more blockslamspam
coral jasper
I don't take HR usually M+ speaking
primal crypt
AM all the way
timid jay
HR is pretty much a dead talent once you get t21 2p
lavish arrow
i have soul/legs/wallsfell/shoulders/prydaz/insignia @timid jay
timid jay
Its only really used for extremely situational stuff or for cheesing something
coral jasper
yeah the amount of IP is enough usually for the dropped .4 sec of no SB
timid jay
If you have t21 2p go for prydaz and walls fel
timid jay
Theres no minimum or any max for haste really
Get as much as you can without sacrificing ilvl
coral jasper
So until I have 100 % uptime on SB without freakin out?
lavish arrow
is it even worth having the +200 strength gem? or is haste just better?
coral jasper
But my 36% doesn't feel too bad., it's comfortable
timid jay
Its worth getting the +200 str gem
primal crypt
973
coral jasper
That's crazy low isnt it?
vocal nimbus
No
primal crypt
I was 36% haste
vocal nimbus
I have 20something too
coral jasper
Oh wow
timid jay
ilvl is still king for us
primal crypt
With 961 ilvl
timid jay
Think I have 34% haste or something
vocal nimbus
I also have 24% crit
timid jay
oof
coral jasper
Doesn't the rotation feel choppy at times? Or no because of the T21
vocal nimbus
Ye
timid jay
For most fights you can get away with really low haste as long as you dont use your SB offensively
coral jasper
Well why would you ever use SB off?
timid jay
Just save up charges for when its time to tank the boss again and use SB intelligently
coral jasper
Also I time my mass stun around using or not using SB
vocal nimbus
I play with 23 haste i believe and i use SB offensively, oof
coral jasper
I'm talkin M+ I suppose that's all I do on him to a degree
primal crypt
I spam the shit out of sb
timid jay
I almost always use my SB offensively
primal crypt
For offense LUL
timid jay
If BC is up I use SB
primal crypt
^
coral jasper
BC?
primal crypt
Battle cry
coral jasper
Right right
primal crypt
Sb buffs your shield slam dmg
coral jasper
Oh it does?
timid jay
But yeah for m+ it doesnt matter that much
coral jasper
LUL wasn't aware
primal crypt
2.6m crits are worth it
timid jay
Since you'll mostly use revenge and TC for damage on AoE
primal crypt
@timid jay I finally got a relic with revenge/bastion
primal crypt
#blessed
coral jasper
The amount of BC uptime bc of T21 is opness
timid jay
You didnt have belt ye?
vocal nimbus
At 3 targets its worth to use revenge/tc instead of SS
coral jasper
ill log and check rq
vocal nimbus
Im sad my sim only reaches 1.1M
coral jasper
Best iterations etc for sims in AoE / ST situations?
vocal nimbus
My stats/relics are shit cosmo
timid jay
oof
vocal nimbus
And trinkets
timid jay
I just got 990 weapon
coral jasper
No to the belt only the crafted one (from when I needed haste / just boosted him)
timid jay
FeelsBadMan
vocal nimbus
At least i do 99-100 of my sim :IZI
timid jay
Aight
primal crypt
@timid jay what are you simming at these days
primal crypt
Not bad not bad
timid jay
THen again, havent gotten much gear
Replaced my ToS neck yesterday
So thats nice I guess
sick sentinel
But do much more
timid jay
Aggramar is so much cheese anyway
sick sentinel
@timid jay how u sim so high
sick sentinel
Item level?
timid jay
Cant remember what I simmed but iirc its around there somewhere
sick sentinel
What's ur I level cosmo
coral jasper
How do I sim-- iteration etc wise?
primal crypt
timid jay
For iterations that just the more the better
primal crypt
I want this gone
timid jay
Takes longer the more iterations you use though
errant wing
nice drape π
sick sentinel
But that item level
primal crypt
I heal so hard with it
coral jasper
primal crypt
Amirite?
timid jay
You can use raidbots.com
coral jasper
an alt so dont think im flexin on score haha
primal crypt
With that drape I'm basically a bdk
primal crypt
π π
timid jay
Unlucky that it does nothing for you LUL
sick sentinel
Good for parsing healing
vocal nimbus
Bracer healing and ip doesnt crit
timid jay
Hmm
sick sentinel
No victory rush lol
primal crypt
LOL
timid jay
I must have remembered wrong
coral jasper
VR is rare in M+
sick sentinel
BC victory rush haha
timid jay
I sim 1.25M
vocal nimbus
Afaik
sick sentinel
I sim more than u now
coral jasper
Good this week tho from orbs
vocal nimbus
Lul
coral jasper
Someone sim for meee
vocal nimbus
Cosmo the pleb
sick sentinel
That makes sense, I should sim higher than u since I do more dps than u
coral jasper
Or should I use patchwork 1 boss 8 min length
primal crypt
It's ok, i just walk around and find healers in dalaran open trade and show them the drape
coral jasper
10K iterrations ?
sick sentinel
Lol
vocal nimbus
6-8 min would do it
vocal nimbus
Just think how long is the boss you want to sim for
sick sentinel
BEASTLORD!
coral jasper
OH I just want a general idea reall
really
https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Exuhqt
my gear good?
sick sentinel
Hsha just use patchwerk
coral jasper
the 13th slot is a 940 oiled machine not the 910 haste stick
sick sentinel
Ur gear is meh
timid jay
Aha
vocal nimbus
My best ST trinket is a 920 haste stick
timid jay
I remember why I thought it was 1.5M
vocal nimbus
Oof
sick sentinel
U prob used a 2 min sim time lol
timid jay
I usually sim myself with TMI_T19M boss
sick sentinel
Hahah
lavish arrow
thanks for all the help
timid jay
(dont do that btw, it gives waaaaaaay to much RFDT)
@vocal nimbus I dont care what I sim, I let my logs speak for themselves π
sick sentinel
Haha
sick sentinel
I do more dmg than u cosmo
timid jay
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormscale/skΓΆldkast
I mean that 100 still looks good on argus
vocal nimbus
%ilvl tho :lul
sick sentinel
I had a 100 parse
vocal nimbus
Meanwhile i still have my 100
vocal nimbus
Im not that low
sick sentinel
And get a shit parse which actually she is up in your front oage
vocal nimbus
969 i think
sick sentinel
Page
vocal nimbus
Or 968
vocal nimbus
I usually parse purple orange because i dont really care about cheesing
I just want the thing to die
timid jay
I dont really care about logging anymore either
Rather just kill bosses quick and get the rest of the week off
π
vocal nimbus
Im still progging
sick sentinel
What's ur prog
timid jay
argus right?
vocal nimbus
Argus 78%
timid jay
78% monkaS
timid jay
At least p2 is a freebie
vocal nimbus
Mentally disabled raiders
timid jay
So you have that at least
vocal nimbus
π€·
Handicapped*
Cant tell spikes froms circles
And cant tell that when the boss looks at them it means danger
timid jay
Rage is the hardest thing to deal with at start of progress
After you learned how to deal with rages
People start dying to cone of death because they are greedy π‘
vocal nimbus
How vital are the gifts for phasing it?
vocal nimbus
We are BLing
sick sentinel
I can't wait to kill coven
Not coven
Aggramar
We are re killing coven thsi coming week and extending from there
timid jay
You going for the BL cheese on agg?
timid jay
We had 4 warlocks on our first kill of coven
vocal nimbus
With 1-2 seconds to spare
timid jay
You save BL for p3
sick sentinel
I need 95+ parse
round hornet
it wont help u parse cuz ur not in range to be aoeing the adds anyways XD
sick sentinel
Can I Cleave adds?
round hornet
while tanking
vocal nimbus
No
vocal nimbus
If you are cleaving in aggramar something isnt right
gaunt coyote
When is the ideal time to pop apoc drive in m+?
timid jay
How many nights have you had on argus yet?
vocal nimbus
1
timid jay
We use HC's strat
vocal nimbus
I can always use the do this or i /gquit card
timid jay
Thats a pretty low blow though
timid jay
oof
vocal nimbus
1 hour into prog 3 dudes asked what sre those spikes and circles
timid jay
Think actually a lot of people in my guild didnt watch a single video
They learn pretty quick though
vocal nimbus
I believe hardest part for us will be the p1 lol
vocal nimbus
Just dodg eeverthing and kill everything?
round hornet
ya u gotta deal with squircles and circle + other shit
with some decent raidwide damage
so make sure your healers plan their CDs probobly
next goblet
signal plover
Bahahahahahhahahaahhaahahahahhhahahahaahaaaa oh u sweet summer child
Memes aside I enjoy the fight
vocal nimbus
I was being sarcastic
signal plover
I figured
The 45 second RP intermission could be about 40 seconds shorter tho
But it's pretty nice to slow cook a roast or read a book
storm slate
how good is warr tank in Mythic +?
wild stump
vocal nimbus
Top tank picks for M+ currently are BDK and VDH
signal plover
π€
grim prism
paw btfo
signal plover
I mean druid has seen consistent use throughout the entire expansion and roar on 1 min CD is insane utility for many current encounters
They're pretty sturdy with their AM as well
So I guess depends on how you define "top" tank?
round hornet
Druids are just allaround good, even if they don't have as high highs for some of the encounters this tier, they also don't have as low lows
just a solid pick and easy to play
I wouldn't consider performance throughout the expansion as a reason to pick them tho, tank balance has changed throughout the different tiers
especially with how everyone overgears things now it doesn't matter at all
grim prism
Did Sco already release his usual "this is what the best tanks will be next expac based on me playing PTR 6 months before launch" vid?
signal plover
I was responding to the statement that they weren't top tank in ToS
jade socket
they werent
round hornet
They were pretty godlike for KJ before the nerfs
cuz you could roar a lot to soak
not because of them being tanky tho
signal plover
It was all roar I understand that
vocal nimbus
They were top on 1 mechanic
round hornet
but the other fights they weren't like crazy better than other tanks or anyting
signal plover
No I think their value is that they're consistent
signal plover
But top tank changes on encounter