Yeah, but i'd rather have few enough to choose without thinking about it
#protection
restive scroll
quiet delta
yei understand
spiral smelt
Guys, is Bracers + Gloves better than Booming voice Bracers + Belt for raids? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/silvermoon/hamlife
timid jay
Best defensive setup is bracers+gloves
cinder pasture
Get rid of that vengeance talent pretty please, you have t21 2set 😦
timid jay
Always go booming voice with t21
spiral smelt
Done
sturdy willow
@timid jay
daring aspen
cosmo not SF anymore @undone sun confirmed better than @timid jay
timid jay
Can you ping some more people? 🤔
daring aspen
@timid jay
it adds it auto when i type out your names dont know why
oh its a shit Betterdiscord plugin apparantly
vocal nimbus
nice function
ember arrow
Useful plugin
daring aspen
baked into a plugin thats actually useful 🤷
undone sun
:o
timid jay
O
jagged bay
u fought well sense 😃
shut summit
fuk dk
jagged bay
:/
junior ivy
hey how does it work i bought bfa pre order and it smaking me choose void elf or lightforged dranei
does that mean i cant unlock both?
i pick one and am stuck with it forever?
junior ivy
ok ty
brave mauve
The cinematic for the MDI having a prot warr always gets me.
tidal quarry
Close as we’ll probably get to the MDI this time round :’)
brave mauve
Sense, I've been in the BFA discord being sad. Have you gotten into the regionals and I've missed it?
round hornet
He is
brave mauve
Stop, my boner can only take so much
sick sentinel
:D?
sage sphinx
So is Prot Warrior the worst tank in BFA?
undone sun
too early to give a definitive answer
hearty compass
hi all, just a quick question, when using spell reflection which bosses in antorus raid can it be used on
timid jay
Theres a pinned post for that
But tl:dr, nothing can be reflected from the bosses themselves
hearty compass
i found it thanks alot 😃
hazy path
can dmg from aggramar's sacrifice on mythic argus be blocked if you are facing the boss while soaking the bursts? kinda like KJ orbs?
undone sun
nope
hazy path
so artifact/sb wont help?
undone sun
afaik it's environmental damage unlike Meteor's which originated from KJ himself
correct
not blockable
hazy path
so how are you guys dealing with it
undone sun
I only soak the two small bombs, in p2 we sacrifice the healers or immune them
signal plover
@hazy path I was originally soaking bomb and burst for our attempts and I had to burn SW,LS,SR AND Titanguard trinket to even have a shot at surviving, but there were circumstances (squishy DPS with bursts) where even that wasn't enough
we switched to just soaking bursts and it has been much more consistent (we have a pally w/ spellwarding for a healer too)
plain ice
can forging strike on kingaroth be blocked?
restive scroll
Check the blockable/reflect shit in the pins, but i don't believe so
lilac forum
is it true that prot warr got nerfed hard in bfa beta?
vocal nimbus
It changes a lot, you can read more at #410902883165405214
fleet pivot
Hooray I'm 4k as a prot warrior. Perhaps people will let me go to pug 15s without going "Lol prot warrior"
restive scroll
Nop
doesn't matter, we're still prot
Bug gg ! that's already a great score for a prot !
Btw, am i the only one who got 3 decimate in a row on first boss in seat? did it on 2 different pull on a 22
fleet pivot
I've only ever seen 2
restive scroll
Let's pretend that key was cursed then >_<" (denial is such a great tool)
unborn island
@fleet pivot is that like top 20 world or something?
restive scroll
Do you think we are that low ? T_T
ember arrow
@fleet pivot i jsut did votw 22
was pretty ez
ppl dont know how good prot can be
they think we're bad now becasue alot of ppl play bad
merry cave
Is 4pce t21 worth 5ish ilvl on mythic agg?
merry cave
overall
timid jay
I'd say it probably is
merry cave
15ilvl on pants and 15 on helm
timid jay
It gets a lot of value that fighy
vocal nimbus
I did it for aggra
Went for better stats on offpieces and felt better
Binned 4t21 for it
Felt better like that
Healers didnt complain
timid jay
Aggramar is really the only fight where I can say that t21 4p is worth dropping a few I'll for
sick sentinel
im dropping 4 ilvl for aggramar
to use 4pc
maybe its not worth it but i think it feels better
hidden kindle
Does anyone know how the spell reflect on curator works?
restive scroll
you can only reflect the bolts that are currently falling down. The aoe on the ground aren't reflected
But even though they are reflected, the boss doesn't take any damage
so mostly you can do that if you're a bit late, or if you want to finish up a spark
woeful narwhal
restive scroll
Like you need to check the guide a bit ^^ stats are okay though
Go for booming voice / anger management, at least, while using the 2P
I don't know the relics by heart, so i can't tell if they are good or not
coral hull
Anyone else have problems pulling off other tanks w/o taunting?
is it our combined heals/dps
ember arrow
dps
if that happens then tell the other tank to git gud
becasue hes terrible
u will need to do lik 3-4 times his dps if that happens
coral hull
it's super annoying look as if i taunt early lol
ember arrow
i agree its annoying
but its their fault
if u got no other options, then i guess sop autoijng boss
coral hull
yeah that's how i managed it
coral hull
ty sir
languid rose
Other tank in pugs always saying they'll take first. Suuuuure
ember arrow
why do people add me for m+
but then dont want me tanking +23 keys
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
remove friend i guess
brittle horizon
at what point would you not go 4p t20 2p t21?
restive scroll
Around 25 ilvl gap~
junior ivy
how does the TW reward work for the weekly quest
if ive only domne normal antorus will i get normal loot
and if i do hroic bosses ill get heroic loot?
heroic*
timid jay
TW is always normal gear
vocal nimbus
I never got a mythic cache there
brittle horizon
For the weekly events. when its clear 4 mythic dungeons, you get heroic chest for antorus.
timid jay
The TW weekly quest gives normal antorus loot
The 4 mythic dungeon weekly quest gives heroic antorus loot
brittle horizon
Timewalking is clear 5 dungeons for a normal chest
junior ivy
oh okay
brittle horizon
any recommendations. looking to tank heroic / Mythic + stuff more. been a dps toon for a while. dont have many legendaries atm.
modest crest
The only important legos you don’t have are the belt and gloves. Bracers are good for defense. Leg legos are situationally useful. But you have 4pc 2pc. Haste mastery are most important but your gear looks fine. For m+ swap inspiring for safeguard
brittle horizon
rgr. i asked earlier when i should not be rocking 4p2p. and was told when there is a 25 ilvl difference. is that when you have a 25ilvl difference on each tier slot?
and im assuming you keep 2p t21 and not use 4p since im told its trash
ember arrow
t21 4p is good defensively on trash paccks
because it will proc every sec
and yes, 25ilvldifference per slot
brittle horizon
Does not using the 4p2p prevent the amount of spam
feels like im spamming everything often to spend all the rage
modest crest
I don’t really use the 4p2pc anymore. The 4pc juggernaut is great for m+ due to the number of blocks you catch. I stopped using it when I had I think a net total ilvl change of 7-10. The only time I held on to the 4p2p was when we were figuring out a fight and I wasn’t comfortable with everything. The extra rage generation and cooldown help is nice. But once you know what and when yo click takes away the useful ness and the ilvl help makes you do more dps and less squishy
undone sun
the apm does go down when you drop the tier combo but not by a lot, the goal is still to dump rage into IP and during BC/DS bursts it can get pretty spammy
modest crest
You also have the soul ring with reduces your rage with the weaving stuff. Once you get belt or gloves you can drop it and you won’t have as much rage to burn but plenty to use
brittle horizon
hm. i wonder if i should swap gear now then, the two tank legendaries i do have would be the mannoroth bracers and the legs that give an extra stack to spell reflect and shield block.
modest crest
Especially if you’re new to tanking the legs can help cover gaps in your mitigation and help with magic dmg if you miss a cooldown. If you have a solid ring and can make the 4pc combo I would. It’s easy to get legos now so it shouldn’t take long to get belt or gloves and then you’re done.
brittle horizon
for sure, my main is a 6/11M rogue who has all his legendaries so its a matter of time till i get a war leggo from that too.
i see that the guide in the resources here say Haste > Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike
has that changed?
undone sun
nope
brittle horizon
perfect. tyvm for the assistance.
modest crest
Np have fun 😃
sharp dew
Except it’s more like H>M>=V>>>>>>C
modest crest
But gear drops more like.....C > V >>>>>> M>>>>>> H
brittle horizon
seems about right.
chilly nacelle
Hey guys
Sitting on Vari mythic, any idea how we handle it with a Guardian druid? Guardian disc was not very responsive. And we dont have a disc priest
sullen brook
sick sentinel
@chilly nacelle its pretty simple
just get boss first
ocne he taunts hold back for like 0.5 sec
or u can just let him get boss first and hold back for like 2 sec, i generally do that when ever i tank with a guardian
by hold back i mean dont do the DS SB BC shield block spam
chilly nacelle
Im talking about how to handle being a guardian
sick sentinel
oh
chilly nacelle
Soz
chilly nacelle
Main tank in raid is guardian
sick sentinel
also prob better to ask in guardian druid discord
they know much more than i do
druid discord
i tanked that boss alot with guardian co-tank
guardian takes shit ton of damage so try to use damage reduction trinkets
yeah have to remember slash is magic dmg, physical reduction and armor wont help
u prob wanna use survival of the fittest
to help get one of those up for each slash
but u shouldnt die because of ur massive hp pool
brambles might also help
rip sense 😦
lol
jagged bay
😦
delicate urchin
73 deaths world record btw 😄
hardy walrus
so what just happened with sense team lol? i dont understand anything
undone sun
there's a lot going on, essentially they weren't properly prepared
dusky mica
Obviously :)
There would have been less deaths with a warrior tank!
(no battle rez)
:D
hardy walrus
but 70 deaths? 😰
shut summit
lmao
dusky mica
lack of practice on a high key I guess
ember arrow
what did i miss
undone sun
MDI
shut summit
i work 12hour days so trying to line up practice time that worked for me / my team was close to impossible
we practiced like 3 maps
just got lucky with the 4v5
cinder pasture
The joys of casual raiding, stuck wiping on mythic doggies ❤
dusky mica
mythic is casual?
shut summit
qual'd for the money which was our only goal, did better than we thought in actual thing, so o well
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dusky mica
I quite like watching this MDI stuff but I hate the commentary
3 idiots talking at 50MPH about nonsense
Sloot would be OK if he slowed down a bit, the rest not so much
prisma crane
but that's because he knows what he's talking about
dusky mica
Tank and Healer balance needs work if they're going on with this in the next xpac.
dusky mica
yeah, guaranteed last again
healers are worse off tbh
all tanks CAN do it but some are just better
priest monk shaman are just really bad
sick sentinel
monk healer right now 😦
prisma crane
i like that they dont show the healing meters anymore this MDI, would show how broken all the BDK are
dusky mica
I still prefer warrior over dk myself
Making a healer unnecessary in a game like this is a bit of a bad look
prisma crane
or the healer doing nearly as much as the mage
dusky mica
that stuff is a bit wonky too, yeah
prisma crane
the bigger issue is that some healers cant even dream of coming close to that
dusky mica
Would be interesting to know how many people actually work on this stuff.
I don't think resto shaman should share elementals flame shock into lava burst mechanics
It would be better if your heals proc'd lava burst
remove flame shock entirely, it's pointless on resto
cinder pasture
There we go, killed mythic doggies after 25 wipes 😄
cinder pasture
End of raid for us, so not going anywhere !
Probably going one of those next sunday though
lapis topaz
Anyone have a warcraft logs parse of a kill on heroic felhounds that they can link to me?
jade socket
lapis topaz
ty
I'm trying to bettter understand the timing of Corrupting Maw from Shatug. My understanding is that it requires AM, but DBM isn't giving me the usual warning when AM is required..? Do people just look for the Aura to appear on the dog, and cast shield block when they see it?
undone sun
i use bigwigs and it has a timer for each maw cast for both dogs respectively
can't imagine DBM is that vague about it
lapis topaz
probably not, I might just be looking in the wrong places. I have all of 3 attempts, so I'm still getting a feeling for it
I struggle a bit with tunnel vision.
and yeah, I'm looking at the DBM code and they definitely have a tank timer for Shatug's Corrupting Maw
sooo... I need to open my eyes and look around more, see the timers and not focus on my rage and health as much
restive scroll
Otherwise, it's around 8sec, assuming another abilitie isn't prioritized
lapis topaz
I noticed it seems pretty regular from the parses I've seen (especially the one Vil linked above, thanks again!)
restive scroll
@undone sun on the reflect sheet you said that you need to be in the circle for the the hatred, but you only need to be into the beam, which is much easier. Btw using the legs, will let you squeeze 10second worth of reflect
safe fulcrum
Quick question, which legendries are out best?
sick sentinel
belt/gloves/bracers but there is some situtaional also
merry cave
Pants as well if you m+
undone sun
Interesting, personal testing showed differently, will look into it
sharp dew
I feel ashamed
After doing thousands of dungeons, and not knowing about hatred reflectable
undone sun
That one is still a relatively new find
sharp dew
Yeah I figured cuz I haven’t seen it on the sheet before, the curator energy on the ground deflectable I’m guessing is on the sheet nowadays?
You see hatred and you just think run for it and avoid at all costs so I never bothered testing reflect on it since I just use it for dark strikes lol
sharp dew
I bet that hatred pumps the damage since it hits really hard, will have to see the dmg ticks from it when I get on later
merry cave
What's reflectable on curato
undone sun
the electric shit on the ground
well, deflectable
doesn't appear to do damage to the boss
merry cave
Ahh that makes sense, was thinking if I could jump in a 5 puddle stack during evo that may be a tad broken lol
mortal carbon
tanked argus as warrior yesterday wanted to suicide crit blocked 3 scythes without active sb
undone sun
isn't that fun
mortal carbon
totally
then other tank taunted and me with my 7 stacks i tried to suicide on orbs ran through 3 orbs after second orb pantheon proc
pure abyss
Just turn your back
mortal carbon
was not full hp i was scared to get meleed
round hornet
ye gotta spin around pretty fast as he winds up
restive scroll
@undone sun Just so i try to be clearer, I mean that you reflect as long as you're between the boss and the circle. Would a screenshot help to show it? Or a short video?
undone sun
nah i know what you meant, just from personal testing showed you had to be in the circle
granted it was brief
restive scroll
@sharp dew I only found out very recently cause i asked a random guy who saw another one do it. On one hatred last week on 23T, it did 13% of the boss, in 10 sec reflect on one hatred. And i agree, completelly weird. Like some the reflect in hov/mos for the crush armor and such...
Alright, if you go there and it doesn't work again, could you please ping me? I'd be curious if it didn't work all the time
undone sun
yeh
restive scroll
Thank you :)
But since i got 3 decimate on the first boss of seat yesterday, i'm not sure about anything anymore.
undone sun
yeah you're right, don't have to be inside the circle for it to fully reflect @restive scroll updated the spreadsheet
restive scroll
Thank you
You can also mention that the hatred is about 10 sec, so pants are actually worth it
I mean, you can chain 2 reflect, plus they are quite good for dps with the extra SB stack anyway
undone sun
eh maybe, hard to say really.... Tirathon casting hatred is dependent on which metamorphosis he'll get
restive scroll
How do you mean?
undone sun
ah nevermind, thought his meta buffs were random
restive scroll
^^
deft sapphire
that was changed a long time ago heh
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
restive scroll
I knew it reminded me of something x)
mortal carbon
question for argus are soulbursts blockable?
vocal nimbus
Afaik, no
When you soak with the big aggra buff the redirected damage is physical but not blockable if im not wrong
tulip spoke
roughly how much haste am I looking for as prot? I think i probably have too much at the moment
undone sun
There's no reachable cap
tulip spoke
oh, okay
undone sun
Defensviely it's just a prirority str>haste
placid mango
best defensive legos is probably situational right?
well, not probably, for sure, but
what would you guys reccomend as a "baseline" defensive gearset
pants and what else?
belt, rizds, walls fell?
(got all of them)
silk mortar
Raids or dungeons?
placid mango
Raid
silk mortar
Well, i only use legs if there is something reflectable, like on vari
Otherwise i pretty much only use gloves and bracers
placid mango
i mean the extra stack of sblock's always fun
silk mortar
Cuz im lazy but they work fine
placid mango
gloves for survivability?
silk mortar
Well. if you have 2 piece you spam shield slam and almost gets a devastator between every single of them
silk mortar
Pretty much
Helps you win the Healing meters 😉
Its funny being the only tank that pretty much takes less dmg than dps
Or just ping someone of higher knowledge, i dont really know so much
restive scroll
Most play with gloves/belt
Personnaly i like gloves/wrist, having wrist usually around 15% of my total hps (without inspirring presence)
really depends on how much your healer remember you have to be healed once in a while
mortal carbon
about the soulburst thing the argus sheet accounts dmg reduction from sb
so thats why i'm asking
fervent harness
im at a point where for ST sims haste is my 2nd lowest stat (to crit ofc) , im only at 21% but this goes against what all the guides and info out there suggests, anyone know why
if anyone wants to see gear
restive scroll
I'm sort of in the same position, but the guides don't talk about dps, but survivability (i think)
fervent harness
i mean sal's guide in the pins says Stat Priorities:
Raids:
Haste > Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike
Dungeons:
Haste > Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike
DPS:
Haste > Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike
for example
whereas mine goes more like Vers > Mastery >> Haste >>>>> crit
with ilvl still king actually
im just confused as to why
restive scroll
my bad, it's general advice. Generally they finish those kind of text by "sim yourself"
it's pretty stat repartition dependant
fervent harness
yeah ofc, i just wanna know if there is a reason, whether im sat like 1 point of haste above a breakpoint or something
restive scroll
Don't know, i'm at 40% hast ~ and just changing to a mastery ring change my weight drasticaly
Cosmo, or Thyme would probably be of better help than me on that topic
junior igloo
A dps haste breakpoint that comes to mind is 5th ability (GCD) inside Battle Cry.
You need 20 % haste for that.
More generally though, the stat recommendations in guides are typically heavily weighted towards survivability and more specifically reliable and worst-case survivability.
Mastery gives you higher chance to block and critically block (and it's a decent overall damage reduction), but it's not reliable.
Versatility is reliable, but the effect is small and "wasted" when you don't need it (such as off-tanking).
Haste's biggest benefit is that it works in a large part by lowering your time spent without Shield Block (which is where you are in danger of dying) and is therefore most effective where you you need it the most.
restive scroll
Quite interesting Meiffert, thank you for that ! Seems pretty logical when you say it
fervent harness
yeah of course i understand all that, i just wanted to know why haste is so low for me when in the DPS specific(!!!!) stat weights in sal's guide its still the highest. if there is a 5th gcd in BC at 20% that makes absolute sense to me and is what i wanted to know, cause for example when i equip wrists instead of shoulders i drop from 21 to 19% so its important to know
restive scroll
remember you also have lag, so it's usually a good idea to have a bit more than those 20%.
next goblet
alright i need some good gloves to swap out kakushan.. where can i get BiS gloves?
vocal nimbus
at loot drops
next goblet
i mean what dungeon lol
vocal nimbus
i dont remember gear drops by heart 🤷
look at the journal
just sort by plate, hands
next goblet
i could do that, but i figured i'd come here first and see if anyone knows by heart lol also, whats our best leggo combo? if anyone happens to know
vocal nimbus
gloves+something
gloves/belt for dps, gloves/wrists for survivability, gloves/pants to cheese SR
glacial mortar
next goblet
ah ok
i need to run mythic tos in hopes of a high tforge to go back to 4p/2p.. it was so fun
also quick question, if played properly does vengeance out perform BV dpswise?
timid jay
No
next goblet
okay, just making sure
lofty prawn
How to survive bridge two as prot warrior mythic imonar? I'm thinking last stand/demonic gate, skystep option, pop the shit, rush to boss, pop shield wall and begin genning ip stacks. Thoughts?
Have a bop running as well
From right as I click gate
timid jay
Do you have a resto shaman?
daring aspen
Yes
primal crypt
Started really messing with prot in mythic plus
Wtf is up with the dmg
Why we do so much
sick sentinel
Yeah it happens
primal crypt
Less spiky dmg intake as well
sick sentinel
U have two AOE abilities which do nearly same dmg as a ST ability
primal crypt
My dh is all over the place
sick sentinel
DH is rly good AOe
primal crypt
Yeah
primal crypt
I thought a warrior wouldn't even compare
sick sentinel
Warrior is best dps
timid jay
Warriors are up there on damage
timid jay
iirc warriors are better on pure ST damage, dont quote me on that though
restive scroll
still have to survive though, and AOE doesn't help you survive, unlike DH
primal crypt
Survive was the easy part
sick sentinel
And more dmg means dead adds so less time to stay alive
primal crypt
No DR on wbringer
restive scroll
Depend on the pull, and which key lever you're doing
sick sentinel
Key level changes everything, if ur doing a 15 u can do what ever
sick sentinel
Good level, staying alive is easy as prot; u are one of the tankiest classes
primal crypt
ALTHOUGH
I was dpsing too hard and let ip fall off for a second during a mass pull
Regrets
sick sentinel
Yeah haha
restive scroll
That's kind of the point
sick sentinel
Can't let that happen
restive scroll
Don't know, on mos 24, I wasn't thinking about dpsing a bit
primal crypt
Healer was like...you disappeared in a global
restive scroll
that's the thing with warrior
we may have a lot of EHP
Healer can't help us get back to full EHP
So, it's on our own to stay alive
restive scroll
9M can go down in a gcd, and we don't have a cheat death
primal crypt
I feel more engaged
sick sentinel
Cheat death for prot would be a dream lol
primal crypt
High risk high reward
restive scroll
I don't know, i just don't get to dps as much as i'd like in 22+
Meh, kinda tired to read "how will you kite" at 4k3...
sick sentinel
Stuff kills u so fast, there is no time to react; always gotta be pro active
restive scroll
it's like i've never done a dunjon u_u
primal crypt
Honestly last stand should be a warrior cheat death
sick sentinel
I guess, but I like it being a CD
primal crypt
My GM laughs everytime I tell him I want to bring my warrior to tank :(
Feelsbadman
I think hes run into a bunch of prot warriors that left a bad taste
I mean, I've run into a fair share myself whenever I randomly dps m+
restive scroll
Just show him then
restive scroll
invite him to one of yours
primal crypt
LOL
restive scroll
"worse case, you loose a bit of time"
restive scroll
So?
primal crypt
Either way
Prot warrior has really surprised me
Was really hoping for some representation in the mdi
But...oh well :(
alpine raven
primal crypt
It's unfortunate :/
restive scroll
Every class has its moment of glory. Trends just forget that, it doesn't mean everything else is useless, nor unviable
sick sentinel
That's why it is great for mythic plus
A grip, mass grip, battle Rez and cheat death
Is rly good
Plus it has leech thinf
Thing
vocal nimbus
but pummel sounds cooler
primal crypt
It does
timber abyss
We also used to have 2 interrupts as one of our unique things (Shield Bash anyone? I know it's an honor talent now). Be cool to have that uniqueness back
primal crypt
It's not cool when you're kiting away a range mob but they're casting and you have nothing around to Los with lol
Old school los tactics
primal crypt
I prefer if they made shield slam silence a target indefinitely
In pve and pvp
That's would give us an advantage
😂
sick sentinel
Yeah I’m gearing a Prot alt and having a blast, but casters are really a thorn with sanguine. We just have no reliable way to move them.
primal crypt
Should grip...
sick sentinel
But the 2pc t21 slam spam makes up for everything
primal crypt
Nvm
sick sentinel
Yo dawg I heard you like my shield
Here it is like 6x in a row
primal crypt
It's so satisfying
My problem early on
Spamming SB to buff the dmg
Have no charges on active mitigation
Rip
I have since then learned how not to mongo
Question, last boss of nelth, am I able to spell reflect only or do I have to have SB as well
sick sentinel
Wait. There is a way other than mongo?
primal crypt
I know SB is required, but spell reflect is just additional dmg to boss?
cinder pasture
Spell reflect is enough for last boss, don't need shield block since it's all reflected.
primal crypt
Gg boys
mortal carbon
quick argus mythic soulburstt dmg blockable yes/no?
round hornet
don't think it is
mortal carbon
scythe sheet says yes thats why i'm unsure
zenith salmon
Pretty much all my gear upgrades have crit as the main stat, im sitting at 940 with like 20% haste (pretty much from neck and ring legendary). Is there a point its worth dropping 5 or 10 ilvl on a piece for more haste?
round hornet
the pinned spreadsheet doesn't mention bomb I dont think?
if u mean the druid one, I know the other non-druid tank ones are not 100% accurate because monk one for soulbomb was wrong too
timid jay
@mortal carbon Its not blockable no
random galleon
@grim prism still talk here?
timid jay
Its a minor part of the damage
The majority of the damage comes as physical through the redirect
random galleon
i'm not tryna pester
grim prism
7.2.5 fucked up the syntax and i never put in the time to figure out the new one
random galleon
just noticed in timewalking i dont get the error at all
grim prism
Yeah i figured, its been over a year
random galleon
i have no idea why that would be the case but, it is
grim prism
The older 7.1 WAs dont throw errors, but they also dont visualize IP amounts accurately. Use any of that shit at your own risk lol
I got a free week a month or two back and briefly looked into fixing it all
Figure at this point i may as well just wait
random galleon
yeah
grim prism
A little more suspense isnt gonna hurt anyone at this point
random galleon
im casual af so it's just kind whatever, happened to notice that in tw this week tho
grim prism
random galleon
haha
grim prism
Im touched people still use those
Maybe i was actually gud war after all
Jk just gud at nerding out on WAs
random galleon
i mean wading through the sea of wa's that are purely cooldown timers it's tough to find a worthwhile simple arrangement
it all works, the value for ip is fine. just the yellow bar doesnt and causes an error. i just hit the "ignore" on the addon popup thing and go on my way
if you come back for bfa i'll check again then, thanks
random galleon
sounds good
primal crypt
Any videos out there that teach you the ins and outs of WA?
I've been using the ones off wago...but I want to dabble in making my own
round hornet
depends on what you want to do but most everything is just lua
its the same api that addons use
if u don't know how to code yet theres a guide here that WA twitter retweeted a bit ago http://www.wowhead.com/news=283697/how-to-use-weakauras-new-guide
primal crypt
👌
grim prism
When i started it would take me like 10-20 minutes to make super basic ones.. it gets WAY easier after the first couple
For more advanced ones the way I learned was by finding things similar to what I was trying to make and figuring out how they were made
Any time you can think of something you wish you had, try and make it yourself and see how far you get
That helped me a lot more than watching half-hour videos
honest moon
appreciate the guide,cheers!
grim prism
Pretty much lol
Some people learn better hands-on
There is also a weakauras discord
Im not in there often since im unsubbed but they do seem to be fairly active still
dire cypress
what would be a pref leggo setup for m+ keys? (15-22 keys)
i kinda like running the leggs for some bosses (double reflect)
west kayak
I run Gloves and Belt most of the time, Gloves and Wrists for survival. Pants and Wrists for bosses that SR works for.
undone sun
belt/sephuz is good on trash
belt/gloves for dps
and as stated above legs situationally and bracers if needed
west kayak
If the healer is having issues I run Codex as well to negate the need to heal me as often.
dire cypress
Aight thanks, never really used sephuz sofar will give it a shot also
mortal carbon
Mythic argus does safeguard work on chains?
mortal carbon
nice thx
signal plover
Prolly stick to IP tho...
lapis topaz
@primal crypt I'm a little late but if you have WA issues, head to their discord, they're still very responsive and helpful (which Balsaq hinted at), I've been impressed at how responsive they are most of the time
primal crypt
@lapis topaz appreciate that
grim prism
I got a link if you need it
primal crypt
Just joined
Will start messing with things when I get home
It's actually really daunting lol
Just looking through the discord
Different options available
All the nuances
@undone sun sims have me running gloves legs for dps :/
undone sun
hmmm
primal crypt
Possibly because my other pieces are much higher in ilvl?
Or probably because I didn't want to break t21 2p
One of the sims did say to wear 1x t21 glove/belt
undone sun
that's most likely it, 2pc is like a ~200-250k dps increase on st
primal crypt
And higher ilvl offpieces
But I didn't want to break the 2 piece
I have to go back and take a look
But I'm pretty sure that sim said not to wear 2pt21
Just all off pieces, 1 tier, belt/gloves
dapper copper
If i have Apocalypse drive and Diima's Glacial Aegis, which do u think is better to use on Pull?
dapper copper
Yeah just to pop it basically lmao,
undone sun
diima's with battle cry then
dapper copper
Thanks
sick sentinel
LMAO
plain ice
sign me up
languid rose
@junior ivy your time has come. All of your training has been to prepare you for this
junior ivy
😄 😄 i'd so try it
languid rose
ember arrow
tats impoossible
run get stopped if u exceed timer 2 times
i did do seat 23, was pretty bad
dreamy epoch
What trinkets are recommended for m+? I have basically all the ones on the sheet just unsure
quaint garnet
So I have to tank M. Kin'goro tonight. I normally play arms
undone sun
aoe trinkets like Shivermaw, diimas, and moonglaives
undone sun
damage and proc rate is halved
quaint garnet
Is that factored into Raidbots?
undone sun
yes
quaint garnet
Thanks homie!
It's my understanding that the damage on that boss isnt that bad, should I use defensive trinkets or do you think DPS trinkets will get me by
undone sun
yeah it's mostly forging strike and as long as you have a decent IP buffer before the hit it shouldn't be bad
only bad times are popping bombs right as the forging strike goes off, easily mitigated with SR but wont cover all of them
quaint garnet
Should I pool rage for forging?
undone sun
shouldn't be necessary, you'll be pretty much spamming ignore pain to begin with
assuming you have at least 2pc
quaint garnet
Yeah
weak sigil
Warriors Assemble! I need help
I need a ofensive build as tank to kill Varimathras mirror's
undone sun
gloves/belt
weak sigil
talents?
weak sigil
Thx
crystal night
What legos / set bonuses do you guys reccomend for hard hitting high level trash in M+?
kind mason
quick question, is it common practice for tanks to taunt pull fresh adds in an encounter?
when I use to tank, you just smack a hoe, and taunt if someone rips
but I havent tanked since MoP
verbal socket
Depends, taunt is ranged now and you only have heroic throw to work with as ranged ability, you can taunt (fixates for 3 seconds ), and use the time to build threat
kind mason
lets suppose you can sit on top of where the adds spawn, like on aggramar
verbal socket
With tanks threat being 1000% of their dps, there is no downside to taunting the add when it spawns if you just want to absolutely make sure no one gets gibbed when they spawn. only time tank threat is shaky (outside losing to another tank) is during the spawn, and if you smack it a couple of times in that 3 sec, you’ll almost never lose threat
kind mason
ok so basically, our DH tank, taunts the add as it spawns, smacks it a bit, jumps out
and ppl rip before it gets to the tank
so I'm facepalming
verbal socket
Well, then he’s not generating enough threat in that 3 secs, if you gonna jump out, I’d just smack it, jump out, then taunt when im about to lose threat (waiting to start losing threat in order to maximize the 3 secs focus time)
verbal socket
Why is he jumping out though, he could walk with the add?
kind mason
you'd think so
undone sun
i do as stated and have never had any agro problems
kind mason
yeah, and its a DH, I have no clue
undone sun
TC as in spawns, Taunt>SS>leap out
timid jay
I do the same as Thyme, gotta minimize that empower uptime on the small bois
daring aspen
Gotta maximize the amount of shamans you can kill with foe breaker and rend aswell 
obsidian siren
Hey bois, is there a tool out there to find out who triggered shrapnels on imonar?
all i can find on wowlogs/wipefest is who gianed the debuff
fresh dragon
yo!!!!
question: addon for easy gear-set-change
?
and maybe that shows icon on gamescreen?
winged marsh
opie?
fresh dragon
opie?
restive scroll
One bind pops the ring, the direction between screen center and mouse will select that set
fresh dragon
thxx
obsidian siren
Still looking for a way to blame shrapnel slackers on imonar :D
Or is it impossible, like argus ghosts?
signal plover
Should be possible to see it in events on logs
Filtering for dmg taken by the detonation
And just look at it during the timeline
Or something like that
One of the snitch/who failed add ons prolly has it too
obsidian siren
Ah, forgot about those
restive scroll
Whole new level
sick sentinel
lol tell him to go fuck himself
rose orbit
Hey guys, just got Thundergod's Vigor, should I swap out Soul of The Battlelord ring for it?
Currently using alongside Kakushans
rose orbit
Yep.
Looking at a raid setting, not m+'s
I was thinking that I would make 2 sets?
So one set for aoe fights and one set for single target?
restive scroll
Then yes, the soul of the battlelord rings completely drop value after that point
rose orbit
Like running thundergod's for Eonar, etc. for example
restive scroll
Even on single target thundergod isn't bad
rose orbit
Oh, so just run thundergod's and kaku together always then?
restive scroll
I prefer legs on very shorts fights though
Most people do, as long as you don't need the healing from bracers
rose orbit
Oh I ain't got the legs yet
Oh wow, bloodmirror looks neat.
Hmm, alright then, guess ill run kaku n belt and see how it goes
Don't have the bracers yet so I've yet to experience the healing
restive scroll
That's not a popular opinion for legs though
most run belt/gloves
some people are so... Nice and genuine
(sorry, I just can't stand those kind of people..)
sick sentinel
for 24 for tho DH and DK is better for making big pulls leech and grips is so usefull
round hornet
maybe they just know they need consumption to keep themselves allive
restive scroll
Don't know, i've had no problem doing so twice
What i don't like is those kind of comportement
If someones tells me "sorry, i'd rather have some leech for something" i wouldn't mind
sick sentinel
well if you want to push higher meta classes is a must
restive scroll
It's 24, not 27..
sick sentinel
i dont mind did some 24s it become hard at that point
restive scroll
did mos/lk/brh/eoa didn't find it particulary hard
round hornet
I think it gets harder for dps and heal to survive one shots
before it gets hard for tank
sick sentinel
^
round hornet
depending on their classes
sick sentinel
dk and dh help alot to group
round hornet
well not just one shots but any mistake can cause healer to fall behind
sick sentinel
try to do cos last boss after 23 without leevh help
restive scroll
Did it on tyranical last week, no problem
sick sentinel
your healer need to catch up alot
round hornet
only ur proposing only bringing in meta dps with strong surv but being ok with a lesser tank XD
restive scroll
I don't say that dk isn't good, i say that warrior isn't bad either
you can do stuff to help out
Xavius is great for prot for example
And again, it's about the way some people are
Some people ask me how i can kite at 4k3
At some point, it's just plain stupid
And if even here people just go "play dk", i don't know why i'm trying to help out new players
round hornet
I just think that its fine if other ppl dont want prot, its not like im not declining survival hunters and shit
round hornet
just like I wouldnt grab the first 3 dps that applied, I would want to make a comp that makes sense to me
lapis topaz
I'd rather have them reject me right away, then have them take me on a run and just wait for me to make a single mistake before the unload all their personal problems on me.
ember arrow
Surv hunters do more dps than other hunter xlasses though
Articularly aoe
Particularly
Mm is slightly more consistent. Surv brings shitron utility. Kinda bad example if u ask me
Did 24s on war. Safeguard is literally an external worth of DR
dusk locust
safeguard is a lot of fun, especially on certain bosses like the naga boss in eoa
split plinth
my co tank is arguing that taunting on pull is bad because if you get overaggroed by the co-tank you can't taunt back instantly. I feel like getting overaggroed on pull if you taunted should never happen
What do you guys think?
ember arrow
Youre right
dusk locust
yeah i'd say taunt on pull, too
i have my finger on the taunt trigger in case a dps jumps the gun in the countdown as well
dusk locust
i dunno if it's correct, but i'll heroic throw at like .75 before the pull and taunt at 0, so the throw hits right after the taunt
split plinth
i mean i play blood dk but if you ask my question in the blood dk discord everyone just wants to tallk about how l33t their burst is with dancing rune weapon
dusk locust
i also like taunt for how quick and precise it is. like the boss starts moving at exactly 0 when i do it that way
round hornet
Taunt on pull will help you not lose threat since you have increaced threat generation
but if you are always losing threat you should just let your cotank start anyways
split plinth
nah i don't know
dusk locust
should be alright as long as you get some good hits in during the taunt's debuff
split plinth
overaggroing hasn't been a problem for me since the start of legion
the only time that ever happens if you tank with a tank that has like 30 ilvls on you
round hornet
or playing with someone (usually bears) who dont like pressing buttons that do damage
:X
dusk locust
i'll overaggro other tanks if i'm wearing my dps set and i'm going ham, and they aren't really doing the same
signal plover
We also have warlords challenge off zerk rage and leap to reset taunt CD
Since his argument is u can't taunt back
stray tiger
hey, valrjars, what do you think about alpha talent changes?
signal plover
Should prolly check the #410902883165405214 channel (or the one for whichever spec you're looking for)
stray tiger
ah, didnt noticed
abstract geyser
I am an arms main who has been kind of forced into being our second tank to finish the raid and now taking heroic argus. I have been using bracer / belt, but recently I switched to legs / belt, with a thought maybe switching to walls fell / legs might be better for more surv in p4 specifically, what do you guys think? I do not have kakushan yet, like only one I am missing =/
restive scroll
Heroic argus right?
abstract geyser
i seem to panic shield block sometimes which is why i thought maybe legs would be more useful
yeah heroic
stark sage
legs arent necessary, just be careful with your blocks, if you waste them before a scythe you will get flattened
restive scroll
Walls fell isn't really good, because you should only have on shield wall anyway
timid jay
Better than most his options if he doesnt have kaku
TWF is still a good amount of rage
restive scroll
same as cosmo legendary wise
abstract geyser
yeah I am wondering if it will help with rage generation so I know I will have rage for sb
restive scroll
Btw if your healers are strong enough raid wise you can drop inspiring presence for safeguard, helps the other tank takes lots more stacks
timid jay
Rage for SB should never really be a issue
abstract geyser
should I be using revenge at all?
timid jay
Offensively you can use it often
abstract geyser
i hit it when it lights up, but I dont know if that is optimal
stark sage
if you need to survive, only use revenge with the free casts
timid jay
If you go full turtle you only use it on your free procs
stark sage
keep a healthy IP shield up, get the WA to keep track
abstract geyser
hmm other tank is prot too, i guess I could drop insp pres
stark sage
if you dont miss any blocks you can tank 10+ scyhtes in the last phase no prob
yeah only 1 of you needs it
abstract geyser
k safeguard it is then
timid jay
Safeguard doesnt do that much tbh
restive scroll
Not really true, you have to care for big bombs and SR there
abstract geyser
10 scythes, ive done 8 and gotten flattend on the ninth
timid jay
Dying on the 9th is more than enough to kill him though
abstract geyser
but I dont know if I just missed a block or whatever
our dps is.... not great lol
stark sage
oof
timid jay
Ofc planning CD's helps a lot but without bastion its going to hurt
timid jay
Yes but it does nothing
stark sage
its wasteful
abstract geyser
k
timid jay
SB is guaranteed normal blocks and NF is guaranteed crit blocks
abstract geyser
you guys use NF in p4?
restive scroll
Using it on the 5th scythe let it up for the 10th ~
abstract geyser
we tank him by the tree, is that where most people tank him>
restive scroll
y
abstract geyser
we send our soulbomb to the oppo side of room
for some reason our idiot dps seem to always blow us up
restive scroll
You can use SR to help with that
stark sage
one thing people tend to forget is that if you die before the bomb expires, it immediately detonates
so you have to avoid the swirlies
abstract geyser
yeah I watched some of our replays on wcl
and it looks like when we wipe its cause esomeone dies early with bomb
and nukes us
in p4, the little bombs do a lot more dmg right?
stark sage
the little ones function like the bomb as well in that if you die it detonates, so you can get a chain reaction if one person fucks up
abstract geyser
we got him to like 3% one night, was heartbreaking
people just go panic mode in p4
abstract geyser
well, we lately have been lusting 5 second before pull, then again in p4
stark sage
gotcha
stark sage
sounds like your team needs to get better at avoiding shit on the floor
abstract geyser
yeah, i think thats the biggest issue
upper spoke
cache: 965 iron w/ vrykul armor training
scared to see if t3 = bastion
would be 20 ilvl upgrade
abstract geyser
good luck!
upper spoke
will to survive, leaping giants,
toughness
and my 945 iron has bastion w/ vrykul
man wouldve been nice
guess im sticking to the 945
abstract geyser
bastion really worth 20 ilvl?
stark sage
its worth 100 ilvl
abstract geyser
lol guess I shoudl go hunting for some
stark sage
defensively its basically unmatched
abstract geyser
who in antorus drops bastion relic?
upper spoke
kin'garoth
decimator crank fhast
shaft
iron
bout it i think
so i bonus roll it weekly, but im stuck w/ my 945 deci crankshaft 😃
i bet i have 2 or 3 lol
2x 945 decimator's and a 950 w/o vrykul, so i use the 945 w/ vrykul & bastion
lol not that anyone cares ;p nice to know bastion is worth 100 ilvls tho
stark sage
100 was just a number i threw out, ymmv but defensively its unmatched
if you are already not dying to anything, you could sack a rank to up your dps
sick sentinel
Bastion is the best defensively
And revenge and TC dmg boost is best offensively
Shield slam crit boost is alright because we shield slam so much
I have a 985 relic with bastion and shield slam crit boost
stark sage
blood dk
plain ice
@lilac forum what are you asking? best class? best talents? best trinkets? best relics? 👀
lilac forum
oh sry im tired
class
but prot warr is good for raiding?
can i send logs so u guys check if my rotation is ok?
undone sun
prot is great in raid when played correctly
round vortex
Unless you play with this guy... I was pulling off him after literally 1-2 globals on Heroic Antorus. Just trying to get my cache done 😦
That was on high command
stark sage
lol
round vortex
I'm thinking oh great another warrior i can go ham... NOPE
stark sage
yeah was pugging it, bdk couldn't hold threat for shit against me
lilac forum
I have 2 from today
Argus normal
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xJC3wypz1anHFYtj/
Antoran HC but only wipes
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4T8DCd2XKJVRFvB7/#fight=last
round vortex
I guess doing 1.6M DPS even after dying and no lust on the pull is a bit OTT lol
lilac forum
bad pug 😕
round vortex
yuuuup
lilac forum
does rotation seems ok?
undone sun
Acceptable, looking at Argus there was some downtime, more than usual but you have the t21 "rotation" handled just need to fix all the wasted rage
languid rose
@sick sentinel but shield slam relic is useless inside of battle cry which is when you shield slam so much
lilac forum
Also another question, which racials are best for protection warriors and tanking overall, pandaren? Tauren?
undone sun
``` Yes, rage gained while at cap is wasted rageHM tauren defensively
Belf is really strong in dungeons
orc isn't bad with the AP gain
though racials are mostly marginal and probably won't make on break
lilac forum
How can i check when i capped on rage? In log i mean?
sick sentinel
@languid rose Obviously, but there is a good 30 seconds between every BC, that's why I said shield slam relic is okay.
TC and Revenge dmg increase relics are best like I stated earlier
undone sun
everything is more or less fine, blocked melees and blockable abilities are above average
blissful bison
is icyveins prot warrior guide pretty up to date? it says that t20 4 set + t21 2 set trumps t21 4 set
but im thinking maybe thats outdated
undone sun
no
blissful bison
would someone be kind enough to review my setup for mythic enoar progression tonight?
i've reviewed what warriors use on warcraftlogs
and think this hsould work but would appreciate it if someone here would confirm
maybe point out if something seems off
also i dunno whether to use fell oiled machine or gorshal's legacy. i guess in either case it would be whichever one does more dmg
should i just sim that?
primal crypt
Gorsch is nerfed for tanks
blissful bison
oh, ok. like proc rate is lower than for arms?
round hornet
half proc rate half proc effect I think
blissful bison
wow
round hornet
at least its like that for other dps trinket iirc
round hornet
idk if you can sim aoe tho
blissful bison
yeah i dont think so either 😦
sick sentinel
Half proc rate for all dps trinkets when you are in prot spec @blissful bison
U lucky got Aman'thul
Is soul and sephuz your only leggos?
blissful bison
Actually asking for a friend and yeah he’s hella lucky withthe a man Thule lol
He has every warrior leggo o believe
Wrist glove belt
But ultimately decided the sephuz haste and movement is gunna be huge for eonar
As well as the extra talent from soul ring
We’re basically at our capacity now and if there’s anything else we can tweak for our mythic eonar run, would love some feedback from yall
round hornet
Soul is not very useful for prot of he is already wearing 2pc t21
And there's not much movement outside of getting where you need to be, and you can use the extra action for that
undone sun
chest>cloak>helm>shoulders since we can't use gloves
naive pendant
AHR's return damage does not seem to be affected by battle cry. can someone confirm?
undone sun
considering it's % based, pretty it's not supposed to
naive pendant
it does seem to be affected by demo's shout's BV talent
crystal night
@undone sun I really apprechaite you always answering all of my questions. I love you.
junior ivy
😄
lone umbra
hey what happened to the bastion of defense site? says its down
undone sun
@fierce juniper
fierce juniper
Yeah, it'll be down for a bit. Migrating to something else. Also the platform I was using is dumb and even though I just paid for a month they still disable it after I cancel.
lone umbra
rip, ty for your work on it, was contemplating a relic choice and was going to reference it real quick on break lol
fierce juniper
Well, if you're not sure about something feel free to ask here. I'm sure the Stormforged here have it memorized lol
cinder nova
winged snow
How much ilvl is T20 worth? I've been running T21 4/T20 2 and doing the Walls Fell build, but all my T20 is like 915 and I have some 960-970 cache loot
undone sun
4pc is worth more than 2pc, and 4pc is worth 25 ilevels
merry cave
Do many here do 23+ timed keys? Wondering if spehuz beats gloves or belt when it's reliably proccable in those keys
sharp dew
usually only use it for large pulls for the speed proc to gather stuff quickly-such as brh pulls, for those pulls I'd suggest belt+sephuz, other than that stick with gloves/bracers gloves/belt belt/bracers
fathom hollow
wouldn't you be better off just using skystep?
sharp dew
Yeah I'm talking about the times where you use both :p skystep the start, sephuz back down-stairs etc
fathom hollow
interesting
sharp dew
skystep up the dominator pull, belf for sephuz proc(or warbringer) and go back down
dps while running back down/while proc is active, rather than just leaping off the top after aggroing
You'll also get the proc again when you warbringer back in after you pop your initial load when they group at the bottom
lone umbra
so torment the weak on NLC is pretty good? I know bastion/shadowbind is bis but I shoulda definitely waited til after raid for putting that relic in, cuz in the end I lost 1 bastion trait, 1 torment the weak trait, and gained Master of Shadows, and Vrykrul Shield Training(Armor %), and also gained 2 weapon ilvls >_< I guess it's not a huge deal still ahve a 5th bastion trait, no TTW anymore though...
undone sun
TTW sims really well and can be really good on ST but you still have to get pretty lucky with the refreshes
also Bastion most likely wasn't worth dropping for that
lone umbra
I figured the ilvls plus the avoidance from MoS(and mastery too ofc), plus I thought vrykrul shield training was worth closer to bastion than maybe it is
regardless, switched gears for the end of the xpac and mostly just "re-progressing" with a guild I've raided with back in HFC into Legion and EN, personally I'm 7/11m and we just got Eonar and PK tonight with them to make us 5/11m as a guild...not gonna be pushing vari/coven/Aggr any time soon, if ever, and the highest keys I've done/do are like, 19/20
timid vector
hello. Im just getting into war prot and i have a question ^^ Does IP (ignore pain) stack? is it more effecient to use it at a certain amount of rage? : )
undone sun
yes it does stack, up to a cap of 3 times at full rage cost
also scales linearly so casting 3 20 rage IP is the same as casting 1 60 rage ip
timid vector
ok thanks !!
timid vector
are the dmg that you prevent from blocking/crit blocking written somewhere? Like if you want to compare yourself to another war prot (shield block wise), how do you do? you can compare the dmg taken ?
(written somewhere --> skada or reccount details?)
lilac forum
@undone sun i tried to improve myself and wasted only 4 rage during 2 bosses
thanks for ur advices again
@timid vector check pinned post, there is weakaura for amount of ignore pain active
timid vector
@atomic axle hey thanks for answering. But it wasn't really my question : p I have this weakaura already and its pretty usefull !
royal bobcat
is there a string for the nether crucible any where?
timid vector
@lilac forum *
timid jay
Id suggst looking at Warcraft logs Graouw
You can check % blocked auto attacks and all boss abilities
undone sun
@lilac forum nice
timid vector
@timid jay ok thanks^!
deft sapphire
@cinder nova no AHR cant crit
vocal nimbus
20 ilvl or 5% avoidance 🤔
fervent harness
which relic do people reckon: 1) Revenge damage -> torment -> SS crit + 10 ilvls or 2) SS crit -> infusion -> bastion
ie. basically 10 ilvls or bastion 😛
timid jay
Bastion every day