guys
#protection
mortal hawk
yea just tertiary stats speed, avoidance, leech
zenith salmon
Im still in the lfr/normal raid gear tier range and not sure which trinks to use.... should i be using eye/smoldering here?
restive scroll
Smoldering only if you need an extra CD, won't be of any use on something like the first boss
Even if it's not great, the pvp trinket will be of more use
Plus, high strengh is always nice
(I'd switch that eye though)
zenith salmon
Mainly running mythic pluses around lvl 13s right now, last night was my first raid as tank and didnt get anything except that trinket
restive scroll
Same answer then
zenith salmon
Lol.... thanks for the feedback!
restive scroll
Smoldering is nice only on a couple of things, such as first of mos (if you need one) or Solosoak attumen
Probably a few other uses
(Also quite fun to use on a big pack, you can battle cry at the end of the cast, it'll take the 100% crit)
zenith salmon
Right on.... its more for a specific situation than an overall dungeon type deal
restive scroll
indeed
peak cloud
@tidal spire diima's use effect has a large amount of bonus armor that scales rather well with warriors, and the CD is short aswell
@tidal spire Read the pinned guide on warrior trinkets for prot for a longer explanation. but hte bonus armor is super valuable especially for fights like dogs where you can span 2-3 maw hits at higher stacks with the proc.
peak cloud
50/50 no?
peak cloud
shrug still drastically reduces the white damage which will help smooth out before the hit
stark sage
white damage is pretty insignificant, if you are having trouble with dogs, more armor wont solve your problems
peak cloud
lol i apologize maybe dogs were a poor example, but still diima's is solid imo
stark sage
yeah diimas is a great trinket
diimas is good on dogs for the dps aspect
high STR, on use hits both dogs if they are close
peak cloud
Yeh i think last time i looked at logs I was like 60% white damage from dogs and 40% magic while tanking shatug
On my warrior anyhow
stark sage
its usually a bit more weighted towards magic damage
peak cloud
Yeah my DK is the flip on that
but i worry less about mitigating the maw hits & just DS immediately after
peak cloud
yeah sounds right
my warrior is pretty fresh & was tanking H dogs @ 935 so my base mitigation for white damage was pretty garbage
so real question. I see alot of warriors running shockwave over warbringer? I feel like warbringer brings in more frequent stuns and has the added utility
stark sage
i prefer warbringer
peak cloud
in my comparisons
prisma crane
@mortal hawk if you sim it, ATV is better in raids, where you can get the pantheon proc, but in M+ it's worse, but neither are significantly above the other
peak cloud
ATV?
sick sentinel
Amanthuls vision
peak cloud
lol i wish
tidal spire
@peak cloud yeah I know what it does. You said eye had a strong on-use and didn't think that's what you meant to say.
peak cloud
I have (945) riftworlds, Archimond, (930) diima
sick sentinel
Rift world is pretty bad
Diima is rly good, I use a 940 one even tho it's much lower item level than the other trinkets I have
peak cloud
yeh i'm running archi/diima but that's because i don't have any other leggo's yet. Hoping by the time i get one I'll have a replacement for archi
sick sentinel
I use it even tho it's 35 item levels lower than my highest item level trinket, hoping for upgrade sometime haha
stark sage
archi's isnt too bad
peak cloud
Archi is fine, i just feel like it'll be eclipsed by bracers or gloves should they come rolling around
sick sentinel
Gloves and AHR is rly good for ST dps
peak cloud
are people a fan of sephu's on prot warriors?
sick sentinel
Don't think so
peak cloud
sad life
stark sage
sephuz is good in m+
sick sentinel
TC works for it I believe
stark sage
intercept works
peak cloud
right
sick sentinel
I stick to gloves and belt for pretty much every fight
peak cloud
gloves/belt is ideal for dps right?
peak cloud
Right, that'd require a high confidence in healers such that you can sack last stand for dps haha
stark sage
when you outgear content, you can just rely on block
sick sentinel
^^^
peak cloud
yup
My dk @ 970 i blow cd's constantly for dps, my warrior in heroic at 940 i don't feel that confident yet
sick sentinel
I am not that geared at 977 and I rarely use CD's on mythic bosses in ABT
peak cloud
977 "not that geared" π
sick sentinel
Warrior starts slow but once u get gear u will be much stronger
Geared but not that geared
955 and ill be crushing heroic
peak cloud
what would be 'that geared" in your book
stark sage
the biggest thing to take home about prot tanking is making sure you are using the right mitigation for each mechanic, block is very powerful versus stuff that can actually be blocked
sick sentinel
U'll
restive scroll
Gloves and belt are ideal on longer fights. On shorter fights the gloves and legs are actually better from my sims
peak cloud
0_0
peak cloud
lolol
peak cloud
well if i was doing mythic content my concept of gear levels would be a bit different i suppose
940 @ 977 is v small
sick sentinel
Yes haha
peak cloud
would you only replace with another diima?
sick sentinel
Yes
peak cloud
or would you consider something else for SnG's?
sick sentinel
I am salty about a 980 eye which dropped last week
peak cloud
EoC or Eye of shatuug?
peak cloud
My DK has a 960 diima which is amazin
sick sentinel
:/
peak cloud
You'll get one π
sick sentinel
Maybe
sick sentinel
Bonus roll 985 mythic diima with socket and avoidance
peak cloud
Do you guys OS as arms or fury btw? I feel like fury lines up a bit better stat wise
sick sentinel
I do arms
undone sun
my off specs are other tanks
sick sentinel
I love arms
stark sage
i play all 3
undone sun
sick sentinel
I play 2 other tanks thi
peak cloud
lol @undone sun
sick sentinel
Blood and Prot pally
stark sage
its pretty easy to have competitive gear in all 3 specs
peak cloud
yeah
stark sage
a ton of overlap
sick sentinel
But my offspec not offclass is arms
peak cloud
Yeah i don't know why i bother asking
sick sentinel
I try to have at least 2 mythic ready tanks
peak cloud
am literally the only tank in my guild so i generally only tank
sick sentinel
Rip, offspec is always good to have
peak cloud
arms is fun in PVP
sick sentinel
Fun in general
peak cloud
whats your backup class for tanking abrodus?
sick sentinel
Blood
peak cloud
yeah
peak cloud
Main is a blood DK have a DH that i told myself i'd be DPSing with but really i've only been tanking with him with no tank leggo's but i've become a big fan of prot warrior since trying it out
sick sentinel
DH ranking is great
peak cloud
lol yes DH damage in M+'s is histerical
sick sentinel
I have one but not geared for mythic
I used to tank with a DH
Mm good stuff
We combined for 2.5 million dps
peak cloud
meh i don't run mythic anymore. used to clear mythic content religiously but now i work for a living and have a girlfriend and such. Still enjoy the theory crafting portion of it tho
0_0 gross
sick sentinel
Raid at night
peak cloud
yeah i do
sick sentinel
Yeah, I like late night raiding
peak cloud
raid T/Th Fam/Friends M/W/F game S/Su mornings and then nights are with friends
peak cloud
Thanks lol i should get back to coding
tidal spire
I also play prot and blood, both around 965 depending on what I decide to wear that day.
tidal spire
I put a lot of work into both of them and I gotta say, I've enjoyed tanking on the dk more. Progression raiding on a warrior will give you a heart attack.
ember arrow
not for me
after3 pulls u shud have cds sorted
warrior prog is easy peasy
unless u dont block the blockable stuff
peak cloud
i prefer progression tanking on the DK but that's simply because there's less "dependence" in my opinion on the healers and more room to recover for a mistake in AM
tidal spire
That's why I preferred dk as well.
ember arrow
wit wrists there is no dependance
peak cloud
but agreed with @ember arrow generally by the time you're ready to take a kill attempt your AM/CD's will be sorted out and you should be able to perform yourself correctly. Just assumes that your healers/the raid follows suit.
ember arrow
and wit proper play u dont take dmg to e healed
vocal nimbus
Prot warrior's mistakes are the most punished during progression
tidal spire
With dk there just aren't very many mistakes to make.
You take the hit and heal it up.
ember arrow
u can, but mostly in m+
tidal spire
Bracers were one of the first warrior lego's I got in legion, and I was getting blasted pretty hard in tos and antorus no matter what I did.
peak cloud
Dunno I feel like warrior incoming damage is alot smoother than DK
ember arrow
only PK and dogs did some dmg
tidal spire
It is
ember arrow
if u got blasted then u played wrong
tidal spire
Dogs mostly what got me.
peak cloud
^
tidal spire
Incoming damage was smoother on war when I played correctly but dk has better recovery.
peak cloud
rage pooling for big IP's can help alot too with stacks 6+ on dogs
tidal spire
War feels high risk high reward. I like it more than the other tanks besides blood.
primal crypt
Warr is so dynamic
Makes it really fun to play
Until you fucked up
Then you're eating ass on the floor
onyx vessel
Tempo tank style is life my man
signal plover
Warrior in mythic ABT is loads of fun
proper pecan
Finally we killed Aggrabom 
sick sentinel
Questionas...
4p.. big no no (i cannot get hold of t20 tier loot)
?
Ok.. maybe i should re-write the question so that I do not seem like a 2 year old.
Just got back after a break. Only available tier pieces are t21 for me (as i cannot be bothered to pug t20.. and pugs..) Is 4-p something to go for or should i opt for other gear where I have atleast a 15-ilvl higher piece?
undone sun
4pc isn't necessary, while it can help on certain fights it's not needed
languid rose
rank 3? why you no rank 1
proper pecan
cuz my trink is 990 not 1000π
and it was fk so half of the raid was dead in the end
humble oar
guys im playing third tank on argus and ofc in phase 3 im soaking all the rent soul balls, im just wondering if I use Demo shout on the boss does rent soul count as his damage and as a result is reduced?
round hornet
don't think so, at least WCL says the source is not Argus but Enviroment
for Rent Soul damages
humble oar
hmmm, I didnt think it was working tbh but I thought Id check with some one smarter then myself :p
fickle jetty
If you have to choose between gloves/belt for single target which one generates more rage/dps?
undone sun
Gloves
fickle jetty
thanks
sharp dew
Playing 3rd tank on Argus as warrior what is your RL thinking π€
winged ridge
nothing probably
undone sun
What are the other tank classes @humble oar
ember arrow
what
stark sage
both are good if you are going for defense
if you are going for dps then hands + belt will serve you better
dusky mica
If packs are big enough the belt is usually better for defence too.
storm slate
unfortunately I dont have the belt... working with like The Walls Fell (t21)? and either Mannies, or Kakushans
not sure if The Walls Fell is legit but I kind of like it with T21
mainly for survive
storm slate
ah yeah would like that
dusky mica
It happens in Antorus at the start. you pull all the trash before the Garothi and have 100% demo uptime.
Same for PK trash.
Bracers are always the safe pick though. Sometimes your healer dies. And when that happens the bracers are really a class above.
tender mulch
How many stacks you guys can hold on Argus H?
ember arrow
18 record
humble oar
@undone sun Monk & Druid
tender mulch
18?? Holy... Any tips?
ember arrow
100% mastery build
7 bastion relics
its not actually good, its just for fun
haste shud be prioritized as secondary stat otherwise
tender mulch
LUL 100% can be achieved?
vocal nimbus
even more
undone sun
23k mastery
junior ivy
im literally tanking mythic argus right now
undone sun
literally
junior ivy
yes
vocal nimbus
π€
stiff kindle
the nerf of the war tank forced me to stop playing in pvp
junior ivy
undone sun
well good luck
junior ivy
thanks
languid rose
of mythic pulls vs # of m+ seat deaths
round hornet
@junior ivy you joined a raiding guild now?
round hornet
Exciting
sinful vortex
poggers
junior ivy
thanksss
compact geyser
Does anyone have a nonexternal way of surviving p2 bombs on mythic argus? like the big bomb?
round hornet
Make someone else do it
Lol
Most guilds only soak one, and sacc the healers after that
tender mulch
There is a cap for haste? I have 27%
sick sentinel
@tender mulch try to get as much as possible, I have like 36% right now. The more haste u have the quicker ur play is, u get more auto attack, shorter GCD and many other benifits.
ur game gets rly crazy the more haste u have
its great
it rly scales up like crazy because of all that extra rage and shorter GCD etc
tender mulch
Thx all π
sick sentinel
good luck
prisma obsidian
what do you guys think vs 955 Writhing Heart of Darkness
undone sun
whod is likely going to be better, we have a high uptime on it for ST with t21
and i'm pretty sure it's higher DR as well
prisma obsidian
for reference 955 heart of darkness is 2.71% per stack
yea i am at 3 stacks permanently im sure for ST
just figured id ask cause this has a higher DR potential
compact hinge
does Shield Block work for agg tank mechanic?
undone sun
is foebreaker blockable, 
undone sun
likely, he's at 74m just from a double Foebreaker stack this last week
cinder nova
What a pisser
undone sun
imagine it can get much higher trying to go for a "record block"
sick sentinel
realibly hitting p3 argus now bois
timid jay
Aggramar Foe Breaker SkΓΆldkast 14578392 (A: 6247882) (B: 152726014)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/93Whjv8RqayPFrJH#boss=2063&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-taken&source=1&start=9663331&end=9708653&view=events
final mist
Did you live though?
winged marsh
π¨
ember arrow
π¨
unborn flower
Im thinking about rolling prot warrior in bfa, any thougts? would you recommend it?
vocal nimbus
too early to tell
unborn flower
alright
vocal nimbus
also, bfa prot is discussed in more detail at #410902883165405214
static pilot
Possibly odd question, but what's a good stack number to aim for at Argus hc phase 4?
static pilot
Gotcha, thanks :)
tulip pond
Despite Aggramar's conv being pretty terrible trinket, is there a point where the raw amount of stats makes it usable outside of Antorus due to it being higher ilvl than other trinkets?
restive scroll
it's fine for dpsing
vocal nimbus
vers proc is a huge dmg buff
tulip pond
Aight, follow-up question; should I use 945 diima's or DMD:I along with it, or is it just a question of do I need constant extra armor or on-demand armor (+some damage)?
vocal nimbus
for what situation?
tulip pond
Just in general
ember arrow
diimas
vocal nimbus
for sustained physical dmd mitigates more in the long run, diimas works better for spikes of damage which you know will happen
tulip pond
Okay, ty for answers
signal plover
It's also good for blast off aoe dmg during battle cry
graceful oyster
Hello i try to up a war tank but which levendaries are good i have wrist and pants
Also the ring who reduice shield
restive scroll
wrist/glolves/belt in general situation
graceful oyster
Ok
sick sentinel
@graceful oyster do u only have wrist pants and TWF?
If that's the case Bracer and Pants is best option for you
restive scroll
those are pretty good, and the 4PC isn't needed
restive scroll
I guess trinket might be, in a very specific situation although i really don't see any. but never neck
graceful oyster
Neck legendary sorry
vocal nimbus
Prydaz is bad for tanks, use mannoroth and thundergods
graceful oyster
Ok thks for tips
prisma crane
@timid jay i got a tiny block last night π¦ Aggramar Foe Breaker KrotΓ΄s 8435188 (A: 2681896) (B: 101906605
was a bit stress, didnt know i was going to be taking the second one, only had SB up for it
timid jay
Rng crit block saves the day
graceful oyster
You block a lot lol
timid jay
π
junior ivy
i cant wait to start giving people advice on mythic argus now that i've tanked him π
except not really cause i only saw p1..
vocal nimbus
Are you at 10/11 cat?
vocal nimbus
junior ivy
i've only killed first 2 bosses
my guild was just missing their main tank and backup tank
and got desperate
junior ivy
hahah
vocal nimbus
From what ive read recently you are doing better compared to when you clicked around
prisma crane
honestly, if you can tank P1 argus, you can tank the rest of it
signal plover
^
round hornet
its ok
just annoying watching everyone else slowly die around ya for some long wipes :X
sick sentinel
Yeah
I'm used to that
Last two night my guild was sitting on Kin'Garoth
Dying to ppl popping bombs
Sigh
dusk locust
does tanking get tedious on rough 100+ pull progression bosses? i'm considering tanking next expansion but people keep telling me tanking is easy
sick sentinel
Tanking is great
dusk locust
i guess a rotation is a rotation
sick sentinel
I love to tank
Tanking in progression is what I play the game for
I suggest you try tanking
dusk locust
well i guess i should say, i've had an alt prot war for most of the expansion and have tanked all of heroic several times through. we're 9/11M rn but i play rogue
i've never tanked actual progression though
sick sentinel
It's great
dusk locust
no?
prisma crane
tanking isnt so much a rotation the same as for dps unless you're going for dps
tank RL can be pretty good
since tanking is easy enough to focus on other things
only downside is it's harder to see everyone and where they are
sick sentinel
Tanking u have a ton of things to focus on, calling things out and having to worry about 2x the things isnt good
dusk locust
eh i've gotten used to that as a melee dps. real difference will be that as tank i won't experience dps mechanics except on alts
sick sentinel
Best RL class is a ranged dps
prisma crane
tanking can be tedious for the same way other roles can be tedious on long progression schedules, you learned your part quick and get it, you just have to play perfect while everyone else gets their part and listen to them cry when you slip up once
dusk locust
hah yeah that's the other thing, tanks get a lot of spotlight
we'll have dps who die to simple things complain about the tanks when they mess up
dusk locust
yeah i took them through logs once
"oh wait, you can see that?"
now they don't complain
"so according to this log you actually get hit by this mechanic more often than your peers" after they complain about others getting hit by it
dusk locust
for sure
ember arrow
where every boss has 45 soaking mechanics
but i just joined the chat again, u lookin to tank prog? did i understand right?
dusk locust
i'm considering it for bfa yeah. i've done all roles in heroic a ton, but have only dps'd prog so far
in mythic
ember arrow
well for me its other way around
dusk locust
i hear about how easy/tedious tanking is from non tanks constantly so who knows how much stock i can put in that
ember arrow
i never played dps above lfr
i usually know better what dps should d
than they themselves
tanking is only easy if content is easy
thats why people focus on dpsing on tank
or doing memebuilds
dusk locust
yeah i can see that
ember arrow
but that comes with tanking, it cant be helped
dusk locust
i always run a healer, tank, and dps through all of heroic so i at least get a taste of what everyone has to do
ember arrow
right now i dont raid mythic, so when i play wow i searcch for 20+ keys
otherwise i wont get out of bed on my tanks
junior ivy
i dunno what to boost with bfa
i was gonna boost a horde warrior
but i might boost another alliance warrior
quiet delta
diimas 950 or aggramas conviction 990 or riftworld codex 965 which of these 3 for m+ this week? grievous fortified sanguine
restive scroll
riftworld is the worst one
since we're mostly full life or dead
So diima/ac for me
restive scroll
I guess it can help from time to time, but if you run bracers you should be more than fine with griveous
quiet delta
I dont
restive scroll
diima is great, regardless of ilvl
quiet delta
i run gloves+belt
stark sage
diima's is also better dps wise
quiet delta
if we speak about dps i also got a 960 memento
stark sage
if you are having trouble with grievous use wrists, not codex
restive scroll
Memento is great for dps
quiet delta
better than diima?
stark sage
depends on how many targets
quiet delta
BV+BC+RF + diimo is insane burst i guess in aoe
restive scroll
On mono, i'm pretty sure, on multi i think Diima's getting ahead
vocal nimbus
Just remember that diimas has 30 sec of cd after equipping it
final mist
If you're worried about Grievous, use the bracers.
signal plover
Kenobi!
median niche
a friend of mine asking if its worth using 4 and 2 set for m+?
prisma crane
i'd say only on bosses
and only on high tyrannical keys
it'd be particularly good on a grievous week if you have to solo
but otherwise, usually just ilvl and dps legos
4p T21 is good as well
restive scroll
Bosses = mono dps (usually ofc), which means leg gloves for me, so i mostly use 4P on packs
2P is obligatory, 4P is more annecdotic
If you mean 4P T20 2p T21, it's quite dangerous IMO, unless he has insane procs on his set pieces
we usualy say that 4P T20 is worth around 25 ilvl
prisma crane
4p2p isnt really dangerous
it's just different
if it's argus-like dmg, in big spikes, it's less useful.
steady imonar style dmg and 4p2p can be quite strong
restive scroll
Dangerous in the sense that you loose a lot of stat, and hp. Hp pool isn't that important, but you still needs some
I don't know. I'm not experienced enough to say more
neat juniper
How low HP can you have on Argus? I kinda got thrown into tanking him but only have little over 8mil HP without Indom. I know CDs and IP do a lot but pretty worried still
vocal nimbus
Check the pins
there is a spreadsheet
where you can calculate how much damage each scythe will do to you
neat juniper
Oh didn't notice, thanks
vocal nimbus
you can apply any cd, bastion traits and whatever
prisma crane
I'm assuming you're referring to heroic
@neat juniper
?
You shouldn't take indom regardless. Argus is purely about having SB up for his scythes, and combo it with DS or SW or LS depending on how many stacks you have.
neat juniper
Nah mythic, I'm doubting I have gear for him
prisma crane
for mythic it'll be rough, but
you can rotate CDs if you need to
use TWF legendary ring and kaku gloves
assuming you have these
neat juniper
Wouldnt wrists be safer?
neat juniper
Right
neat juniper
Will have to test it out
prisma crane
or are you like a super backup reserve?
neat juniper
Well in this case I'd say I would normally dps but kinda got hit with the old swapparoony and am now the third tank
prisma crane
because just about any warrior in my guild with their gear would have at least 9m hp on ARgus
neat juniper
not mythic geared for sure
prisma crane
if you're third tank (which warriors arent the best for) use legendary pants
and gloves
but basically, put on your highest ilvl gear
but keep at least 2p T21
neat juniper
I think I can gain a lot of ilevel if I just ditch t20 completely so might just do that
prisma crane
you dont need that combo for argus
i'd say you actually dont want it
it's like i said above, 4p2p can be very strong, but really only in heavy steady dmg
argus isnt very heavy steady dmg, but big bursts with the scythes
neat juniper
I think I might go with that then
prisma crane
what trinkets do you have?
neat juniper
Planning on titanguard and darkmoon/eye/argus trinket
rose orbit
Is the stamina form for Eye of Shatug better for us?
rose orbit
Icic, because I'm currently making a big swap on my trinkets
I have a poor selection but
prisma crane
@neat juniper use eye and pantheon trinket
rose orbit
It's either to sit on 9m HP with stam ver. , or to do a swap and sit on 7.9M HP
stark sage
don't worry about your hp, str increases ignore pain
rose orbit
icic..
prisma crane
i dont think i broke 9m hp until like 7/11
i'm now 9.9m so im happy
no stam stuff
neat juniper
Anger Management enough to not use titanguard?
rose orbit
7/11M?
prisma crane
i dont follow that question
yea
you use AM always
and TG is useful only if you need the extra CD
compact geyser
If anyone complains about low hp them to suck your phatty 10mil IPs
prisma crane
which if you're 3rd tank on argus, you're soaking orbs, and TG is only ok for that
prisma crane
yea, dont worry about your HP
it's a crutch
for example, did M Agg last night
here's the dmg taken breakdown
compact geyser
Real tanks mitigate 
neat juniper
Aggramar was fine with shitty gear, t20 helped
compact geyser
The external healing required always made me laugh when we linked it in guild.
rose orbit
Krotos why are there dps roles which are taking more dmg than you? Sorry if its a noob question
Just got back to legion a couple of weeks ago..
remote tusk
Block is juicy.
prisma crane
there's often dps roles that take more dmg than us
rose orbit
Oh, i had to toggle ext. healing required
prisma crane
almost always on fights where there's heavy raid dmg taken
since IP is so strong
like take Varimathras, he aoe's the raid constantly
we're more or less always taking 1/10th the dmg the rest of the raid takes from that
there's fights where if we do it correctly, we're much lower still than that
rose orbit
Why does your BDK require so much more healing?
prisma crane
on that Agg kill i had to take a second foe breaker and was the only tank on the boss for a bit, so reach stacks as well
it's the way they "mitigate"
rose orbit
Numbers look absurd
prisma crane
that's why you can't look at HP alone
rose orbit
external healing for BDK
rose orbit
does that account their own personal self-heals?
prisma crane
not sure
probably not
but they have huge HP pools, particularly when using blooddrinker (i think?)
signal plover
Vamp blood*
signal plover
π
prisma crane
we mitigate differently, just look at the dmg taken from foe breaker, also should be noted that i didnt do that fight cleanly, at all
rose orbit
the point being that IP blocked around 50% of it?
rose orbit
icic..
Do people usually post their logs here asking for help?
Or is that shunned upon or something
Sometimes I ask stuff here and I get good responses (like now), sometimes zilch
So i don't really know
round hornet
you can yeah, a lot of stuff ppl ask is answered by reading through the pinned msgs tho
rose orbit
Alright, I thought I cleared whatever that was on the pinned msg's
turns out I missed out a few stuff
Will take a deeper dive into all this, thanks again guys β€
Btw, just read that some people might choose to 3 tank portal keeper
Do you guys think that is necessary on heroic progression?
round hornet
no
Its not necessary on Mythic either
just depends on how much dps ur portal peeps do to minimize stacks when tanks cant swap
vocal nimbus
No need for 3 tanking hasabel
wheat bronze
The tank buff on Argus that redirects all damage to you...does all of the damage count as physical, magical, or whatever school it would've been had it dealt the damage to the original player?
It says physical there, but I think that means the debuff itself
Not the redirected damage
analog stirrup
on hasabel, it does make it alot easier to 3 tank it, if you don't end up losing that much dps by havig a 3rd tank. Yes it is not necessary, but it does make the fight a lot easier
undone sun
The redirected damage is physical @wheat bronze
You still take full damage of being near the bombs exploding so that's magic but whatever gets redirected is physical
wheat bronze
Okay, thanks
hearty compass
hi all, just a quick question, with the tier 21 2 piece and anger management is haste a massive deal? i have 22% currently
ember arrow
get as much haste as u can withotu sacrificing ilvl
hearty compass
ok but what about vers?
ember arrow
Stat Priority: (Prioritize item level) Haste > Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike
hearty compass
ok but is there a minimum of vers / mastery i should have?
ember arrow
nope
no minimums
max on mastery is 100% obviously, but other stats dont have anything liek that
hearty compass
ok thanks, any tips on good leggo combos?
ember arrow
belt/gloves for dps and general use
belt/wrists for aoe if u need surv
gloves/wrists for ST if u need surv
legs for caes where u need 2 charges of SR
examples: first boss mos, last boss NL
hearty compass
brilliant thank you
ember arrow
np
junior ivy
i am in mythic argus again tonight.
ember arrow
gl
junior ivy
ty
round hornet
Have fun
dark junco
junior ivy
i have 42 pulls on it now
ivory pendant
does berserker rage provide any other benefit other than an immunity for prot wars?
undone sun
without t20 it's just a fear break/immune
deft sapphire
It has the warlords challenge talent too
ivory pendant
k just wanted to double check, thanks, was used to using it as fury cd
undone sun
defensively, no
cinder nova
So
undone sun
we don't benefit from codex nearly as much as other tanks do
offensively it's fine but nothing great considering it's a hybrid trinket
verbal socket
After 560 attempts over 6 weeks, itβs done; thx everyone for the tips @undone sun @timid jay
undone sun
π
cinder nova
I got a 960 eye (fharg or shatug), 945 Diima's, 930 Reliquary
What should I use for M Agg
junior ivy
MADE IT TO P2
junior ivy
i'm a serious mythic raider now
undone sun
π
cinder nova
aren't rogues supposed to cloak the second flame rend?
Since it immunizes them vs. magic damage?
glacial mortar
I've just began getting into prot yet I'm not entirely sure on when it is optimal to use IP. The guide basically says that excess rage will be used and to have it on maximum effect with vengeance or not, but is that it? Feels like it has a nuance I should be learning on using it optimally.
final mist
What's your gear like atm?
glacial mortar
Like Argus zone stuff. Figured I should learn some basics as I go into M plus
final mist
Early on, it's a bit tricky.
When you get more gear (especially t21 2pc, which is 100% required), it's very, very spammy.
Depends on your healers a bit too.
I can trust mine, so I have a tendency to spend more Rage on Revenge and use SB primarily for DPS rather than playing safe.
glacial mortar
I can trust ours, but I normally main monk so I'm completely at a disadvantage. Awkward adjusting as im not fully muscle memoried in/ know the flow
final mist
Ah, I see.
We don't really have a "rotation" like BRM does, so much as a priority system, like I outlined in the guide.
So it's going to feel a bit weird, like it has, until you get used to it.
glacial mortar
For sure. Understanding how to get used to it will be my issue.
round hornet
I believe in u
junior ivy
ty
sick sentinel
does the 5th scythe from argus do too much dmg to prevent a tank to being ressed from the res totem?
undone sun
just a quick look at logs, the 5th scythe did 43m damage with a 33m overkill
res totem has a cap of 200% of the targets health
i have 10.4m hp on argus without other buffs so that wouldn't have saved me, but that's not considering Verse, Avoidance, Conviction proc, etc.
slate obsidian
I mean you might be able to use a specific combination of defensives to enable it, but that makes them unavailable at other times and you run into the risk of not dying at all
slate obsidian
well, I guess it's safe to say that your group has a lot of balls then
undone sun
π€¦
slate obsidian
If you'd survive one more... π±
sturdy willow
yeah..... we get some balls
and by we i mean i
i get mad at him every time
*every thyme
undone sun
π€£
junior ivy
ok dumb question but in this heroic KJ pug why is the entire raid dying to focused dreadflame?
isnt the raid supposed to soak it?
deft sapphire
The beam? Yes
deft sapphire
Was there Armageddon at the same time
junior ivy
nope
deft sapphire
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
junior ivy
no idea i'm just so tired and forget this fight
misty merlin
hey, i just got a riftworld codex at decent ilvl
i saw the pins about its semi not too usefulness
was wondering if its a good dps option in m+ for tanking
undone sun
not the best, it's a hybrid trinket with 2/3 portals being only heals.
misty merlin
i see, i already have a good shivermaws so im looking for a passive trinket
would i want something like angerboda/statstick instead?
oh i guess i can sim dps for prot now
undone sun
single target vs. aoe, stat sticks and mementos are great for st but a shivermaw/moonglaives/diima's would be better for aoe
and that's correct
undone sun
nerfed for offspecs
regal rampart
if you buy a trans mog set from the ah do you automatically collect it's appearance
undone sun
after you equip it to bind it to your character
regal rampart
Ty @undone sun
sick sentinel
hi guys where can i find rotation for protection warrior or guide ?
jade socket
check the pins
undone sun
Granted there isn't really a rotation, more of a priority system
sick sentinel
tnx
dapper swift
Is shield wall the best mitigation for fiery strike on heroic coven?
vocal nimbus
Take the first one with a good ip shield and use SR for the second one
The fight is totally harmless for tanks
You can even stand in the storm with last stand or shield wall
vocal nimbus
winged ridge
its nice for healing logs
deft sapphire
its really the tanks fault for standing out in the storm during execute phase
dapper swift
Is DMD Immortality still one of the best for overall damage reduction? The trinket guide still says it is but just confirming. Im running diimas and immortality still just feels awkward
vocal nimbus
inmortality is very strong for sustained physical damage
diimas is better for spikes of damage that you know will come
thats survivability wise
for damage output diimas is far better
dapper swift
Ok just confirming people on the forums are convinced 1000 aggramars is required in antorus
xD
quartz pond
rose orbit
Hey all, is there any way to check how much magnum opus has mitigated during raids? Trying to find the data in wclogs but no luck
Using it to decide between sacking t21 4p bonus for kakushans
timid jay
It should be possible
timid jay
Id rather have kaku on most bosses than 4 set
Might be worth it on aggramar with 4 set but I need the extra rage from kaku for CD reduction for our tactic
restive scroll
I think it's in healing
rose orbit
Ah you're right! It is in healing..
Hmm.. in that case.. Kaku might be better
@prisma crane Think its a good idea for me to get the t20 4pc?
sharp dew
@rose orbit if youβre getting lucky/already have mythic TF t20 pieces sure but if not then donβt bother with t20. Go for 2p t21 and ilvl
signal plover
I know there's merits but man fuck T20 at this point. 2pc T21 and ilvl
silk mortar
Wish i could help you, but my guild cant get past vari becuase they are walking to far
timid jay
Its pretty easy
Aggramar is very similar to earlier difficulties for tanks except the "random" technique
Bigwigs tracks the abilities so you know whats coming after he uses 2 abilites
4p does wonders on that fight as always
timid jay
Should be, theres a pinned post you can check to see how much damage it'll do to you
keen yacht
I bet I will have a lot of occasions to check it -_-
But I've heard he is much easier after the nerfs
timid jay
Definitely
vocal nimbus
Dmg on tanks is the same tho
keen yacht
Cool
lilac forum
why everyone says that prot warrior is bad in legion
it seems pretty strong in 7.3.5
timid jay
Its strong if played correctly
Used to be a lot worse, people just kept encountering bad prot warriors after we got the new artifact traits and good tier
restive scroll
Plus, they want what they see
vocal nimbus
Wouldnt it be "they see what they want"?
solid drum
I'm gonna run lower Kara +18 in a bit, any tips on moroes and huntsman? Can I take shared suffering solo with SR? How difficult is moroes?
solid drum
alright, thanks!
timid jay
They are immune to stuns
solid drum
Are the guests and opera fixed per week or completely random?
primal crypt
Fixed per week
solid drum
Ok, then I know what we will face
Cripsin, the whirlwind guy, the empowered arms lady and a fourth i forgot
And opera is beatiful beast
I'll probably use bracers on moroes to help my healer
with garrote
restive scroll
@vocal nimbus Nop, i meant the fact that they see mostly to only DK tanks, so they think that dk tank is great
That's how fashion works
(doesn't mean DK is or isn't great)
slate obsidian
well DK tank is insane, so not much of a fashion^^
vocal nimbus
I read it as if the popular belief is that prot sucks so they see no matter what that prot sucks
restive scroll
The extend of that is that since there's only DK, everything else sucks
@slate obsidian didn't say wether it was or not. I could take an example with shadow priest if you prefer, it's just to illustrate the point
vocal nimbus
Kinda offtopic
slate obsidian
yeah, don't really see why prot is perceived to be the worst tank, kinda see it on a level with paladin, and even stronger than druid and monk right now
which is weird as those are propably still the best raid-tanks
warped geyser
Question for you guys, I'm running veng/HR but am having trouble in the early stage of any boss fight getting enough rage to sustain ig. Any advice?
vocal nimbus
Switch to AM and booming voice
stark sage
why are you running vng/hr
cinder pasture
The more warriors the better π
stark sage
sounds pretty stupid to me
junior ivy
π¦
ember arrow
More like pointless
signal plover
Try another tank
ember arrow
Boost one so ull have viable option in bfa xd
timid jay
Id definitely boost another class
junior ivy
what class should i boost
restive scroll
always warrior :)
junior ivy
btw is there an addon that will let me filter out the stacks of 1 potion in the AH and only see larger stacks?
vocal nimbus
I use auctionator
junior ivy
yeha does it have that function?
26 pages of 1 prolonged power on my realm...
im annoyed
lol
timid jay
Yeah same Shenko
signal plover
Auctionator is great. Takes a bit to get used to it compiling the data but other than that it's solid.
junior ivy
ok ill get it
round hornet
How many add-ons will you be at now?
vocal nimbus
Get trusty peeps and sell m+15 rushes
Dunno if you can filter how you want to with auctionator but it sorts by prices and by stacks
vocal nimbus
I have it default and when i search something it says something like "4 stacks of 3 for 300g"
Makes buying big quantities comfortable for me
keen nexus
is it worth to go 4piece on tier 21 or should i jsut go 2?
signal plover
4pc gud for survival
vocal nimbus
Good ilvl and stats is better than 4p t21
magic rain
Would you rather use a 950 Codex or a 900 Darkmoon deck for trinkets?
plain ice
hmm which tank class should i boost for BFA as an alt? i need something with mobility π
peak cloud
DH
if "mobility" is a major concern. Guardian druids are looking real weak imo just based on the numbers. But there's still plenty of time for tuning
also DH's infernal strike has been re-removed from the GCD so you won't chew one if you ahve to re-position
plain ice
ya, was deciding between DH and guardian. maybe level a DH from 98 to 110 and then boost a druid. pally/DK don't seem too interesting because of their lack of mobility
peak cloud
but tbh, I'd wait another month or two until things are a bit more solidified
plain ice
not sure about monk
peak cloud
BM's are in a tough spot atm i feel like. Really will need to keep an eye out on how blizzard handles their stagger
There's a big push to make tanks less independent and actually require healers for most content, but monks need a certain level of sustain since stagger for the most part still deals damage in full, and purifying last i checked doesn't clear enough of it to make up the shortage. but shrug Seriously I'd wait a month or two, lot of things still up in the air if you're trying to play FoTM. TBH though play what seems cool and so long as you're not trying to do serious mythic raiding all the tanks will be viable
signal plover
While u were getting famous.
junior ivy
but im not famous π¦
signal plover
Tis ok friend of cats
Me neither
But Ive had alpha beta going for me so that's nice
junior ivy
i just thought it was still only speicifc people with beta
when was it released to everyone
lapis topaz
I got like 2 weeks ago or so? But yeah, big big waves now.
make sure your email address is first alphabetically ;)
brave mauve
What's better for a big M+ pull where skystep isn't needed? Potion of Prolonged Power? Or Unbending?
restive scroll
depend if you need the survivability or not
brave mauve
I was wondering if the strength from Prolonged Power was a survivability gain over the armor, more so.
restive scroll
Not really a good reason IMO. Of course it is better, but sometimes you just want to not die before being able to kite.
Facetank isn't for everywhere
past crater
Does the DPS pantheon trinket work as prot? theres no drawback?
i see people using courage over conviction on WCL
junior ivy
i closed beta it was weird and confusing and i hate diut
hated it*
back to normal wow π
stark sage
there is a drawback, half damage and half proc
past crater
oh ok i assumed that but the 2k parses on wcl with the dps one confused me.
upper spoke
was beta recently opened to everyone?
lapis topaz
But check your launcher, some people got it without receiving an email apparently.
undone sun
most people, the email isn't the primary trigger
i still haven't gotten the email but it appeared on my launcher weeks ago
lapis topaz
Possibly, but most people probably don't check the dropdown daily, just to see if they got in.
Oh, i see what you mean now, sorry
timid jay
Yup
chilly hemlock
between 5 and 10 times more
cinder nova
Are you talking 35-40 or 150 to 300
undone sun
agg is usually about when the pull count starts to skyrocket
chilly hemlock
150-300 π
cinder nova
reeeeeee
timid jay
Agg is a lot easier now with the nerfs though
upper spoke
pretty quiet channel
I guess there isnt much breaking news in the world of prot warrior
viral vector
Hoping for more nerfs on argus so I can dream of getting Cutting Edge
signal plover
There's a lot more info on agg now as well. We did it in like 92 pulls pre nerf so I don't think it'll take 100 now.
Argus is a different story...
sick sentinel
little storm
Talent ring is better than Insignia right? π as a start ?
restive scroll
If you don't have 2p t21, yeup. It's actually a good legendary
hardy ridge
legendary recommendations for boss tanking argus with low avoidance?
undone sun
the fight is mostly about CD management than anything, gloves/belt
fight is very bursty, bracers aren't necessary by any means
hardy ridge
i could easily go through logs, but im assuming the pants are used mainly for 3rd tanking?
looks like majority of parses have pants on
fickle jetty
Yeah I was wondering that too
undone sun
if you're the orb soaker, yes they're more useful there
fickle jetty
Might be tanking a split run of argus on my warrior alt in a few weeks and I was wondering if there was any must-have trinkets/legendaries
I have gloves/belt
And a maxed tank pantheon
Do I need legs or any specific second trinket?
undone sun
like i just stated, not unless you're the orb soaker legs aren't needed
trinkets really just depends on what you have, conviction + diimas or whatever has avoidance helps
the fight is mostly about CD management than anything else, we do great considering scythes are blockable making specific trinkets unnecessary
hardy ridge
thats why im looking at switching to warrior for farm. argus is too stressful on a bdk
especially when we have to reprog every week π
remote tusk
Call yourself lucky with just 120 pulls. I had to do nearly 300, and had a 1% pull on the night before they hit us with nerfs.
slate obsidian
yeah, lucky... had nothing to do with his group being more skillfull or stuff like that, he was just lucky
quiet delta
i just thought why dont we use sephuz for m+ ?
quiet delta
gloves >wrist , belt etc. ?
you are basically saying gloves king?
even on aoe?
thrash
quiet delta
for thrash maybe belt+ sephuz could be an option?
restive scroll
sec'
restive scroll
(Cooking sorry) I've seen people mention sephuz + belt onpacks, but truth is, as always, it depends. I do 22/24 latelly, so i usually run wrist on packs that can hurt
But if i want to dps mono (when i can take it), i go either sephuz + gloves (very short) or gloves + legs (longer) , gloves + belt (even longer)
I tried sephuz/legs for medivh, I was better of with gloves/legs
quiet delta
(damn dude thanks for mentioning cooking, i had something in the oven xD u saved my food^^)
restive scroll
You can always run whatever you want, sephuz included, given that you trust your healers. I don't, they like to dps, so i don't run it much !
(That's what i'm here for \o)
at least that's my experience with it. Usually not worth it unless you feel really safe. I'd usually go for belt on packs though, booming voice and all
eager falcon
on argus hc, when do you know when the other tank is getting the buff to soak big bomb?
restive scroll
timed
first bomb is for first tank, second and third will be for the other
(blessing will come very late for 2nd)
4th for the first. never seen a 5th, but i'm assuming that would still be for first tank
eager falcon
alright cheers
restive scroll
same story, depend where and when
mono, I never go 4p (although I'm pretty sure it could help me out) but I run gloves, and don't have 4P without gloves from set (don't want to at least for now)
Multi, i usually go for it
but that's more depending on my legendaries. You can only have so many sets :D
quiet delta
what do u mean depending on your legendaries? don't you have all?
restive scroll
On the ones i use
quiet delta
and you know that you can have 20+ sets with a WA right?^^