waxen talon
while ones i dont in red
#protection
sick sentinel
There is a setting for that in Elvui
undone sun
i'm sure each nameplate addon has an option to change the colors
i know BDnameplates does
errant wing
i stack high vers, for dps output mostly, since ive stopped mythic raiding
prisma crane
well, you sure that's correct?
you may want to sim your stat weights
since vers is roughly equal to mastery for dps output
after you hit BC SS threshold on haste
and yea, it's threatplates more specifically than tidy plates, i think tidyplates isnt even around anymore
but i have to check out that BDnameplates
stark sage
mastery can surpass haste for dps
undone sun
it can but not as common, you still have to have pretty high haste
but yeah, sim your stat weights because ilevel can greatly change your priority
prisma crane
is it still nightly sim or is weekly good now?
stark sage
really secondaries are so close that its ilvl for dps anyway
undone sun
safe to still use nightly Β―_(γ)_/Β―
prisma crane
yea
stark sage
crit is clearly the worst, but the other 3 are within 10% for my stat weights
vocal nimbus
TMW you have 24% crit base
lapis topaz
Do you guys just use RaidBots as in the pinned message, or do you run SimulationCraft yourselves?
vocal nimbus
Raidbots
lapis topaz
Hmm... I find the simc cli easiest to use. π€·π»
stark sage
neither are hard to use, but raidbots also is nice because it uses a cloud to run the sim instead of your processor
undone sun
^
lapis topaz
Yeah, I have processors to spare, so that's not a big deal for me. And I don't have to wait in the queue.
But I think raidbots is super cool and well-done, don't get me wrong.
stark sage
oof
undone sun
π
stark sage
krotos did you run nightly?
prisma crane
im 976
stark sage
sometimes that makes a difference
undone sun
981
prisma crane
yea but nearly 20% more from 5 ilvls?
undone sun
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
prisma crane
i havent changed relics in months
and not since i have last updated that
oh well, ill try again later
1.5m, shit
obsidian siren
Those numbers are with a damage gear, right?
timid jay
I only sim 1.38M
undone sun
yes, i mean it's the gear i use for every fight now but yeah
timid jay
π’
obsidian siren
Oh don't get me wrong, I also run my dmg gear 95% of the time, just curious ^^
Kakushan thundergods?
obsidian siren
Eye? :o
undone sun
highest simming, does really well
pretty common in top argus parses as well, as long as you have a decent ilevel
dusky sentinel
Been away for awhile. Whats the reason for the lack of prot warriors in m+? We bad or something? π
languid rose
Mass grip op for times
undone sun
utility
obsidian siren
We do good dmg tho
unborn island
how does Eye sim higher than a memento at same ilvl?
dusky sentinel
yeah but like. does it matter that much?
sick sentinel
Damn Thyme how u sim so damn high
dusky sentinel
Isnt Ignore pain incredibly strong?
undone sun
group leech and mass grip is invaluable in higher keys
dusky sentinel
Yeah i get the leech thing
unborn island
they also get insta slow
undone sun
inspiring isn't any where close
unborn island
and are unkillable in all situations
languid rose
Do you have both or did you use Gear Compare to fabricate one? @unborn island
undone sun
you don't even use inspiring in keys
obsidian siren
IP isn't as strong as DK self healing
dusky sentinel
I just hate how dks always ends up the top dog. Its no biggie. But it irritates me π
undone sun
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
obsidian siren
Won't end up top dog on a raid skada o/
sick sentinel
And good on argus
undone sun
for ST, sure
sick sentinel
Blood is super weak argus tank
dusky sentinel
Well. its ST that count π
obsidian siren
ST on M+ π€
dusky sentinel
nah. In general π
obsidian siren
Why run 4p?
obsidian siren
Would 4p be above the 6p for hps output?
obsidian siren
I'm really wondering about that
sick sentinel
It's weird how close my stat weights are
obsidian siren
How much haste you got on that?
sick sentinel
@undone sun has haste weight at 38
obsidian siren
Thyme has prolly less haste than u
dusky sentinel
0,
undone sun
28%
obsidian siren
See
sick sentinel
My haste is near 40% in game
obsidian siren
That's why
languid rose
That would be why
obsidian siren
Stat weights depend only on your own stats anyway
I'd stop stacking haste that much if your aim is pure dmg
sick sentinel
I want more dps
languid rose
Also check your stat weights on multi target
sick sentinel
Like 3 target
obsidian siren
What's the haste cap for BC? I have 35% in mind but that might be off
obsidian siren
Hmmm, guess I can go drop some haste
stark sage
just go for ilvl
haste is still powerful as a rage generator
its not just for GCD breakpoints
obsidian siren
Attack power I guess?
sick sentinel
Maybe
stark sage
yeah its for the attack power
but i dunno how accurate multi target sims are for prot
sick sentinel
Yeah i don't rly trust it that well
obsidian siren
Dimmas must hit like a truck on aoe
sick sentinel
Yeah
Gonna try get an orange parse in mythic HC this week
I'm capable of doing it
obsidian siren
Press revenge real hard :D
restive scroll
Meh, not really about that
languid rose
press revenge and tclap real hard
obsidian siren
Run tclap radius talent to snipe some extra thundergods cdr
languid rose
i gotta remember to actually log more often
unborn island
It's a weird one always find that on add fights you need shitty dps for a good parse, for MT, you want as high as poss
languid rose
eonar parse always a struggle
vocal nimbus
Parsin in eonar 
languid rose
the challenge is finding challenged pugs
signal plover
Get Dem 0 all star pts
unborn island
Think best example was desolate host once I did, pretty much everyone on my side died , so I just got to cleave the shit put of all the mobs, gotta love those types of fights
languid rose
heroic imonar as fury, pray the other dps all die on the 2nd bridge
sick sentinel
My eonar parse is good π
Messed up by pressing trinket before fight and not having it for start
98 1 short of 99!
Ima try to get a 99 this week tho
restive scroll
can't beat Thyme anyway
restive scroll
yeah, but that thyme does them on kills !
sick sentinel
I'll be back with a top 20 min parae
Don't worry
I am confident I can
Thyme is probably is allowed to just parse on that fight
restive scroll
We'll see
sick sentinel
U will
restive scroll
(no, i'm not a fanboy)
sick sentinel
Do u have a good eonar parse?
restive scroll
I don't particulary think so, but i don't raid much, only mm+
restive scroll
89 apparently, so only decent
sick sentinel
I only do a 15 every week
restive scroll
did 2 kills
restive scroll
hΓΈgΓΈ@ Illidan EU, if you want to check for yourself
I did 90 world on a patch, i've done my share
I didn't like it
I'd rather play with a few friends in mm+, way more friendly, and for me, challenging
sick sentinel
I did check
I've been checking ur guy for awhile
I play the game to raid
M+ is a chore for me
restive scroll
it's just preferences, everyone got theirs
sick sentinel
Yup
undone sun
``` nah, not if it changes our current strat, just have to make it work with what we useI pet battle
undone sun
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
signal plover
Das mythic tho
O he had mythic eonar k
Like I said idk what any of this means I only pet battle
undone sun
lol
languid rose
carry friends alts in normals, never get to pull both hounds together
signal plover
That looks more like pet battle difficulty
languid rose
those are normals to get trinket rolls on people's alts lol
undone sun
19 heroic and 1 normal for me
languid rose
also ended up doing two some weeks because i just wanted a fast +5 ilvl drop on a tuesday
delicate urchin
+19 mos dps overall, pugs so good π
tawny lotus
Hey guys just got to argus mythic and im 3rd tank, just curious on talents and gearing for dps here? tank or dps pantheon trinket and so on any tips are welcome!
undone sun
legs can help quite a bit with soaking orbs in P3 but other than that normal talents
timid jay
Warriors are pretty shit as 3rd tank fwiw, magic damage and prot warriors dont tend to mix all that well
signal plover
Balls aren't fully reflectable but if you're ball tanking I'd def wear pants
U should be on boss in P3 tho
sick sentinel
Can u SR the scythe
round hornet
could help you with learning the weirdness with his timings in p1
so you hopefully dont uh die on the 2nd scythe or something like that
signal plover
Yeah pants give a nice buffer to prevent floor tanking in P1 when he decides to delay scythe for like 8 secs to cast rage and blight even tho timers had scythe next.
U learn the variations eventually tho
round hornet
ye you really gotta like look at what hes doin and stuff cuz p1 tmings are not really set
like the order he casts things
sick sentinel
when you have have boomies SP hunters and your melee doing more then them in coven M
great
sorry but just tilted REEEE mode right now
vocal nimbus
@timid jay π
timid jay
π
junior ivy
hey cosmo
lapis topaz
Time for a noob question? Ok, here goes. Which trinkets would you use if you were an undergeared tank (currently at 942), looking to start raiding (normal and heroic antorus, semi-guild runs):
945 Forgefiend's Fabricator (+mastery)
930 Seeping Scourgewing (+versatility)
915 Shivermaw's Jawbone (+stamina, the one proper tank trinket I have)
And yes, I'm fully prepared for the answer to be coupled with laughter. :D
stark sage
do you have any of the pantheon trinkets
lapis topaz
Nope, those are all the trinkets I have.
stark sage
rip
lapis topaz
:D
languid rose
got any argus currency to roll trinkets?
stark sage
yeah a relinquished stat stick will be solid
lapis topaz
I'm not sure what Argus currency even means, I'm afriad, but since I've done a total of 1 Antorus Normal, I'm gonna go ahead and say "no".
lapis topaz
Ahh, I've got about 150 veiled argunite at the moment, so it'll be a few days before I can get enough for a purchase
languid rose
could do the weeklies
lapis topaz
I do all veiled argunite quests I can find, plus as many world bosses as I can each day to get more.
stark sage
do you have gold? buy yourself a darkmoon deck
lapis topaz
Don't have that kind of gold sadly. First 110. DMD is 55k on my server. :/ I could buy a token and get gold that way, but... I don't think that's gonna happen.
I do have it on the list though.
stark sage
yeah just go with shivermaw + seeping probably
hope you get the pantheon trinket
or diima's
actually your forgefiends is higher
that one is probably better
lapis topaz
Diima's... that's the one from Coven, right?
stark sage
right
lapis topaz
Pantheon is from Argus?
stark sage
yep
languid rose
those on use effects going to cause cd on eachother tho?
stark sage
pantheon is not a use effect
lapis topaz
OK... Thanks for the input. The pick on forgefiends comes from vers being roughly equal to mastery, plus its higher item level, right?
stark sage
shivermaw's doesnt incur the double use penalty
and i dont think diima's does either
@lapis topaz yeah
you can use the active during BC
sick sentinel
diimas does
lapis topaz
Just the static stats on Diima's would be so much better I imagine.
languid rose
or just do what i did when i was stuck with a forgefiend in my fury spec, make a macro that casts BC and activates the trinket
stark sage
^ you can do that, although as fury i wouldnt do that
since you arent always enraged at the start of your BC
lapis topaz
Is "relinquished stat stick" just slang for buying a Relinquished Trinket?
stark sage
relinquished can drop a huge variety of trinkets, the stat sticks are the ones that are just STR + random secondary
keen spire
Are we the most vulnerable tanks to magic damage in the game? or is that guardians?
stark sage
depends on how effective SR is in the specific case
rare spoke
how mutch haste do u guys run with ? so u have close 100% uptime on shield block or something like that?
undone sun
not a thing to aim for
vocal nimbus
^ prioritise ilvl over statistics
keen spire
When I was running heavy repercussions, I had 100% uptime on shield block with 35% haste, but after getting my T21 2pc, I went anger management with booming voice and my uptime on shield block is about 70-80%, but my ignore pain uptime is like 96% or something.
peak cloud
You can span the gaps in shield block with the artifact weapon ability anyways i'm pretty sure
vocal nimbus
Indeed you can
undone sun
main point is you don't aim for 100% uptime on SB, it's not necessary at all
keen spire
trudat
peak cloud
^
peak cloud
the STR/STA from ilvl is going to scale alot harder than sacrificing for haste
rare spoke
got like 72% mast. and 31% haste π but rotation feels a bit slow so thinking about putting a bit more haste
keen spire
72% mastery?
peak cloud
haste is generally preferable if you have two pieces with the same ilvl
vocal nimbus
31% haste slow?
keen spire
Hey does anyone know why wow armory displays different stats than what you have in-game?
rare spoke
was running with 34 or 36 haste earlyer but noticed straight away when i swapped out a ring from haste mastery to mastery haste
undone sun
it's been like that since forever blob
keen spire
hrm
rare spoke
and do u drop out the t21 4p for higher ilvl gear with better stats?
keen spire
t21 4p isn't as strong as higher ilvl gear imo
if it was t20, absolutely not
keep dat
undone sun
fight dependent more than anything
peak cloud
Fug my warrior is new and the concept of attempting to aquire T20 is gross
undone sun
t20 is also worth dropping if it's a 25ilevel drop
peak cloud
and as far as dropping T21 i feel like i'd probably call it boss by boss
rough jasper
If you aim for ilevel, haste can get ridiculus all by itself
keen spire
MEISTERSCHAFT
rare spoke
i pretty mutch run all the time t 21 4p and legendary waist and wrists. anger managment and booming voiceπ gets the job done for me at least π
keen spire
Dope word
rough jasper
yeah german client XD
keen spire
23% crit.. what's everyone running on crit? I feel like mine's way too high
I mean is there any benefit to having crit if you have like 60% uptime on battlecry?
peak cloud
trying to compare %'s is not great without a concept of where you are gear wise
keen spire
I'm 945 with 29% crit
peak cloud
yeh i'd say that's high
rare spoke
looks like im running with 11%
keen spire
damn how tf do I drop crit xD
undone sun
more gear
peak cloud
^
keen spire
lol
peak cloud
demand blizzard brings back reforging?
keen spire
yeah no kidding
peak cloud
but raiding is probably the quickest route
rough jasper
For me that is at 981, cant get less crit π
peak cloud
Shhhh jaidor don't make me feel bad
rare spoke
u get 100% anyways from bc and with anger managment its something like 20-25 sec cd
peak cloud
Yup
IMO until you're pushing late heroic and 960+ I wouldn't fret too much about stat %'s
Gear comes very quickly in this game and random TF's make it hard to try and correct your stats
rough jasper
Well %s can be helpful on some bosses though
rare spoke
ide say if ur 945 now just smack on the highest ilvl on but if u get same ilvl gear swap out for better stats
peak cloud
True, but tbh nothing in heroic is that scary where i'd say you can't clear it without optimal stats
rough jasper
I drop a lot of ilvls for m Argus just to boost mastery
rough jasper
even that depends on bosses i'd say
peak cloud
I mean sure, Like i said "late heroic" is when i'd start worying about %'s
rough jasper
agreed π
keen spire
So Coven and beyond?
rare spoke
but its fun when u top the dps meters for short burstπ usually get my opener single target dps around 2,5 m
keen spire
But dem magic damage stacks bruh
peak cloud
Resource management bruh
Stack rage IP first one
SR 2nd
Stack rage during that and then cap IP for 3rd
taunt swap
stack rage
if you really are struggling to survive
Your dps will take a hit, but pretty much guarantee you'll survive
keen spire
Peculiar
peak cloud
Im sure someone with more warrior tanking experience could come up with a better solution
rough jasper
Usually your DS also lines up with these hits, even if you pull it straight away for burst at pull
peak cloud
but i was tanking coven @ 910 ilvl so did what i had to do shrug
peak cloud
Heroic would be fun
keen spire
it's just the heavy magic damage the seems to spike my health to like 20% in H
peak cloud
yeh
rare spoke
and also remeber to use spell reflect on 3rd fiery steikes
keen spire
like the 3rd stack in coven, or the 5th stack of corrupting maw on Shatug
peak cloud
that seems like poor active mitigation use
I should be tanking heroic on my warrior soon i can post back, but at 945, if you are using a good mix of DS/SR/IP i would think it shouldn't hit that hard
try looking at the heroic ant damage spread sheet that's pinned in here
and come up with a CD rotation that would leave you at a more comfortable point
rare spoke
corrupting maw is 50% physical and 50% magical so spell reflect there also
keen spire
yeh it's the dot that kills me lol
our healers are also like 920-940
so
might not be me
peak cloud
do you have logs?
keen spire
ye I'll post
rough jasper
time it to reduce fifth maw and have full duration for the dot
rare spoke
well i top the heals always on coven and never drop more than 10% hp
not Coven dogs i mean
witch dog do u tank btw?
peak cloud
looks like shatug
keen spire
yeh I tank Shatug
rare spoke
hmm more ip
rough jasper
since you say it is the dor which kills you, I would prefer to run Booming Voice and AM instead of vengeance and HR if I was n your place
keen spire
oh crap
rough jasper
that would also help with mor IP
rare spoke
check my logs and i casted ip 50 times more xD
keen spire
I just realized
my talents were jacked up on those pulls
LOL
that makes so much more sense
rough jasper
π
keen spire
I am bad
ignore me
xD
I had just gotten my 2pc that night
so I hadn't moved over to AM and BV yet
lolol
peak cloud
Any reason you cast IP 3 times before your first shield block on pull?
keen spire
Me?
peak cloud
yeh
keen spire
Because I don't know what I'm doing, I guess
rare spoke
try to use ip at 60 rage and never cap on rage
keen spire
So I should open with Shield block
rough jasper
always
keen spire
#themoreyouknow
rare spoke
and dont hit revenge if its kot a free one or u have too mutch rage
peak cloud
^
Also you should capitalize on rage gain at the start of the fight
I see you delayed casting thunderclap until after a vengeance and IP cast
keen spire
so like.. charge for rage, shield block, shield slam, TC, then IP
You just resurrected an old ability
that throw just shattered my mind
dies
resurrects as not a crap warrior
rare spoke
the dogs get the corrupting maw icon on the i jit before they cast it so try at least then stack ip if not earlyer
man i hit so many wrong buttons when i write on my phone
sick sentinel
Made a baby warrior a few weeks ago. Iβm 938 with t21 2pc, boots and belt. Iβd like to get Kruul- Iβm pretty familiar with the fight. Any specific warrior tips?
rare spoke
spell reflect the twisting nether or something avility
round hornet
SR Twisted Reflections or w/e it s called
rare spoke
u will get healed instead of him
vocal nimbus
run storm bolt to stun inquisitor when he is draining health
vocal nimbus
you can use either stun but shockwave is trickier to use
rare spoke
and grab some bear tartare
peak cloud
bear tartare makes all of the tank ones so much easier
rare spoke
will make the add clearing easyer
peak cloud
also if you ahve issues with getting thrown off the platform remember goblin gliders are gold
sick sentinel
Yeah Iβve done 4 of the tank ones. So I always run the tartare and bring gliders
peak cloud
pre-potting is helpful too if you can burst the boss down before she can summon a 2nd infernal
rare spoke
or have fast reflexes and heroic leap back or charge
peak cloud
Pretty sure you can intercept to the healer guy in the last phase to get outa green nonsense
sick sentinel
My gear should be more than doable, right?
vocal nimbus
yes
sick sentinel
Iβm not super comfortable on warrior
rare spoke
jand run around the circle when the golems cast their knockback ability
peak cloud
practice makes perfect π
sick sentinel
So Iβm hoping to overgear it some
peak cloud
but at 938 it should be pretty easy
rare spoke
and if u have the t21 2p makes it even easyer
rare spoke
booming voice battle cry and shield block
rare spoke
shield block increases the dmg of ur shield slam by alot
sick sentinel
I think Iβve got a good foundation now. My main concern was the drain life cast. So stormbolt that. Iβm hoping to just get to Kruul early in the night because once I see him itβs usually GG
sick sentinel
Yeah. It was awful on the Paladin. He had so much health
sick sentinel
It was my least favorite of the ones Iβve done
peak cloud
got inquisitor down before 2nd infernal and then kruul was pretty much GG
rare spoke
2nd phase just make sure to spell refl. or interrupt the twisting nether ability cuz else its a pretty mutch failiure
he will just get healed
vocal nimbus
@undone sun π
undone sun
π
vocal nimbus
dead channel π¦
ember arrow
broken tree
What are the general lego setups for m+? I don't normally tank, but wanted to dabble.
vocal nimbus
Kakushan and belt
grand trellis
I donβt have pants yet, but gloves belt or gloves bracers seem good
vocal nimbus
Kaku belt for general use
Pants for specific bosses
To exploit the double spell reflect
broken tree
Fair enough
Gloves are the only lego I don't have for prot
Been sort of running bracers as default
vocal nimbus
Gloves arent that critical in aoe/m+
sand relic
this week for mythic plus what talents would u run ?
vocal nimbus
Same ones as always
Warbringer, safeguard, enraged, bounding stride, deva, booming voice, anger management
junior ivy
2nd last boss in cath. how do iget aggro on all imps?
smoky oak
cinder nova
I just start him on one porta
Your revenge and TC get everything from there, just keep your camera panned to the opposite end and have a mo macro for taunt and throw
So you can just mouse over nameplates and whip your weapon at their dome
odd salmon
So going to try and hit prot warrior mage tower since I have it on my other tanks. My guy has Arat's and walls fell. Item level around 930. Think it would be a rage fest with those two leggos?
round hornet
It's fine especially if u have tier 2pc
odd salmon
Ok cool
undone sun
those the only legos you have?
odd salmon
Yeah he's like a 3rd tier alt
past crater
Satyr is still the highest dps neck enchant right?
undone sun
yeah
past crater
ok thanks
got a strand of stars to match with my chronoshard time to go fast
if only i had aggramars
runic fjord
ayy grats
storm slate
is warbringer better than shockwave?
undone sun
yes
storm slate
eems like its just the initial charge? is it possible to weave them in?
like do you leap out to warbringer back in? or is that bad?
junior ivy
@timid jay did you even get to see my score π¦
storm slate
word thats legit ty
junior ivy
π
woeful narwhal
Is tier 21 4 piece needed or useful?
woeful narwhal
Ok
junior ivy
2 manned almsot entire dragon boss fight in dht 16. was very fun
undone sun
hide for defense, satyr for dps
little storm
Finally... Only took 2 weeks !
round hornet
thats pretty lucky π
little storm
Was like 3 mins left until the "reset" and I was like "Gotta head to the cave and check" π
vocal nimbus
Congrats
obsidian siren
God that took me forever at EN
sick sentinel
Thanks for the advice on the Mage tower! Got it in 2 shots! Itβs sooooooo beautiful
obsidian siren
2 shot on krull, not bad m'boi :D
sick sentinel
Well, itβs my 5th tank Iβve done. I almost memorized the fight doing it on my VDH before the spirit bomb rework. 238 pulls. Iβll never forget that. Lol
I was 907
This time I was 938 and I was lucky enough for the belt to drop as my first leggo
obsidian siren
Did it on my VDH Γ few weeks back, got hit by twisted reflection, killed it anyway o/
But yeah, the first krull kill, what a nightmare...
sick sentinel
Whatβs funny is my heart still pounds and my hands shake every time he dies
Itβs so intense
Man. Even with reflection. Lol o7
obsidian siren
Yeah, VDH hits like a truck. Not as hard as t21 prot imo, but still.... Pretty geared as well xD
sick sentinel
I do find itβs hard to deal with heavy caster packs in dungeons for me as Prot. How do you pick up the caster packs in HoV for example?
you use reflect at start reflect first casts
and then gather them only problem is drake there but you can kite it
if needed
obsidian siren
You can take the increased thunderclap range
Not like talents in this row really matter
obsidian siren
The warrior toolkit is dmg o/
sick sentinel
π
primal crypt
vocal nimbus
@sick sentinel grats my man
ornate grail
How good is Soul for prot?
undone sun
Great without t21, not so great with
vocal nimbus
Im pretty good with prot
Oh, im not soul anymore π’
Gotta get sf to change my name
signal plover
It's short for Cosmopolitan?
west kayak
Cosmonaut - Russian Space Spy!
daring aspen
Its short for cuck
past crater
WOO my first synthesized legendary is the bis thundergods
now i just need normal bracers to replace mannaroths
obsidian siren
Eh, Manno is still good on high dmg intake fights :p
past crater
Yeah I know ive just been using it since the beggining and now i finally have two good offencive legendarys
obsidian siren
Time to hit stuff, eh? ^^
past crater
yeah when i get some decent bracers
signal plover
Sounds like u should brace yourself
past crater
I also replaced my 915 chest from ToS with a 960 socket chest so today is fun
signal plover
Lol how do I become famous so that I can get 980 fire relics with bastion?
junior ivy
i've gone MONTHS without an upgrade from my weekly chest
id oubt you wanna trade my experience for yours
i deserve this lol
past crater
if it makes you feel better my monk and warrior got major upgrades from a base 15 but my bdk that actually pushed past 15s last week didnt get anything cause it was in the place of bis legendary lol
junior ivy
even this 980 relic isnt a big upgrade..
it replaced a 975 relic with bastion
my other relics are 960 and 965.
past crater
wow wtf my warrior and monk got +14 upper kara keys and my bdk got a +16 upper kara. fucking illuminati
past crater
rip
junior ivy
oh well i don't even care about keys now that i got 3k score
as long as i get a 15 done.
past crater
i just came back from a 5 month break, so if my key dies im fucked
even though ive done 2 chested plenty of +15s and +17s last week
scores still too low like sub 1k
past crater
yeah but if my +14 upper kara keys go into like a +17 seat or some shit its done lol
junior ivy
oh yeh true
obsidian siren
Gearing has become so friggin rng
junior ivy
are you NA alliance bladestep
past crater
no horde
obsidian siren
Affixes are pretty much free this week, except for some annoying bosses like shade, harbaron, medivh...
past crater
thanks anyway, i should be fine unless rng hates my monk or warriors key
but my bdks 16 upper is free
junior ivy
i'm actually gonna do my seat 19
its an easy week
maybe i can 1 chest and never have to go back to seat ever again
obsidian siren
Tyrannical upper used to be such a torture xD
delicate urchin
br remove control on Mass Repentance on maiden ye?
vocal nimbus
Yes @delicate urchin
exotic spoke
Out of curiosity, because I can't remember - how much haste is necessary to have 100% up time without heavy repercussions. I know it's ungodly high, just curious
vocal nimbus
around 35% before nerf if i recall correctly
signal plover
-big number-
exotic spoke
Yup, couldn't remember. Think it's like 37-39?
timid jay
With HR its 35-40%
round hornet
without HR? it was over 100% haste iirc
timid jay
Without HR its 116.7% haste
restive scroll
You sure about that Cosmo ? 46% hast, my SB cd is 8.91
delicate urchin
did warrior ok for solo soak atumen +21 tyra not that hight?
restive scroll
38.68 M
I guess you can with every cd you have, including SR
Or you can kite it with the pauldrons (he can cast it twice) (even 3 time, although i'm not sure he can complete the cast of the third)
jade holly
Just leap as the cast ends and be on your way π¬
timid jay
Oh, with HR 46% is more than enough with HR
restive scroll
I didn't count the fact that they were 2 stacks, so you're probably right
delicate urchin
@jade holly u mean i can just leap after cast and take 0 dmg?
delicate urchin
when he do this cast again leap will be ready?
restive scroll
Nop, he needs to touch someone or to get back on midnight to stop the cast
so either you got a soak that works (i'm assuming DH/rogue, never did it)
with somekind of immunity
or you can leap out, intercept back
I personnaly prefer running pauldrons, saffer to my taste
delicate urchin
or soak every time without kiting with some immuners? then just SR must be ok?
restive scroll
as i said 38.68M
So you can, with proper preparation
like SR+aggramar trinket
I guess if you use SR+SW+LS you might be okay, but i'm too lazy to do the maths
jade holly
Honestly should be close to phasing after the first shared cast. If not you can just soak the 2nd.
restive scroll
it's hard to see if he's gonna cancel it
It happens when Midnight get back to full health
but i have no idea if there's any kind of delay
And sometimes it's so close that, i'm not risking it
jade holly
i think i have a vod sec
sacred bear
so whats the best time to lust these days on argus
mythic argus that is
lust once at start of P3? or lust twice as the old strat
jade holly
Most guilds just lust at then end now
signal plover
Depends on if u can phase P1 in time without lust
prisma crane
you don't want to lust at the start of P3
not only do you not have the dmg buff, but you also aren't in execute for any class
merry cave
I guess 1000ilvl of str is bad π
dusky mica
never take healer advice unless the healers main is a tank
languid rose
obviously you need a terminus signalling beacon instead
sage sphinx
Whatβs a good rotation to take more than 10 stacks on Heroic Argus?
Trinket 4, artifact 5, shield wall 6, LS 7 and 8... then what?
junior ivy
oo good question mikey i wanna know that too
i've seen krotos take 10 stacks when i'm dying at like 5
fathom hollow
mastery meme build probably
proven sandal
finally got a big boy block on Aggramar 49 million!
probably not that great, but I was happy
timber nest
Anyone have a taeshalach technique WA for mythic?
round vortex
Taking higher stacks on Argus pretty much needs 20% avoidance build.
I will usually just ignore pain the first 2. Shield block the third, NF the 4th, Shield block on the next 2. Demo + Shield Wall on the next, Then pop trinket, then use last stand + shield block, then NF and then if i am lucky healers will have their externals up (our priest is really good at wings) and at that points its "Im probably dead on the next one so pushing whatever I have on all of them" LOL
tidal hedge
Any 11/11 tanks tell me how many scythes they should be taking? Our tank always dies on 2nd or 3rd and our RL says its "fine" but I keep getting told different
round vortex
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FJQpW8Ah3LCXRP7r#fight=17&view=timeline&type=casts&source=26
Between 357 and and 443 seconds I think I hit 11 stacks? Jsut got lucky at the end. A bit out of order on what I said above but hey - when in the moment so be it LOL
tidal hedge
for mythic
timid jay
In red phase you should die to the 5th, that's the general consensus
dusky mica
what he said
timid jay
Can change depending on strata but generally it's the 5th
round vortex
Yeah @undone sun Has a little guide for warriors in M Argus. For scythe order.
My previous post was for heroic lol
tidal hedge
So why does ours keep dying so early? Could somebody peep at our logs if I link them?
timid jay
A prot warrior?
round vortex
ty ty Thyme
timid jay
That is some extra safe scythes lul
timid jay
With enough haste that's probably the absolute safest way to do it
tidal hedge
bad
timid jay
Prot warriors are extremely good at tanking argus
6/7 bastion relics is a bit of a oof
tidal hedge
Ty for the help, ill try to pass the rotation along for getting 5+
obviously cant really help him too much this far into prog
was more just curious
timid jay
Its a bit hard looking too much into the logs when I'm on phone π
tidal hedge
Yeah its np!
timid jay
Let me just tell you this at least, if he knows what he's doing he shouldn't be dying before the 5th scythe
sick sentinel
re argus M: for the two small bomb soaks do you just have the two small bombs + avatar in the circle
or te whole raid
like soaking near argus
instead of running out
dense salmon
im 945 equipped with prydaz/wrists and still cant do this mage tower
hollow bolt
Question to any tank working on aggramar, are people having agro issues? after i taunt to take the foe breaker, my dk ends up taking agro and the raid/melee group gets sent to the shadow realm, and if you did how are you fixing/combating it?
im using my weapon artifact ability to reduce the damage, should i not be doing that and just relying on wall and block?
dense salmon
how can i burst as prot
round vortex
@dense salmon I made a guide I'll send to you bro
fathom marten
@hollow bolt if your unable to keep aggro while using our art ability then you shouldn't be using it. Never had a problem keeping aggro here, actually the opposite, sometimes I'll rip aggro off people when hitting BC and Shield slamming the shit out of him.
Lol
hollow bolt
thanks! im just worried that foe breakers gunna break my butt so i was using it
we talked about it after raid, gunna use pants instead and use the art when im out of rage
just hold onto a block for foebreaker
sick sentinel
Hey
fathom marten
You should have time to keep a good amount of IP up and cast demo before the foebreaker happens
sick sentinel
does damage on non kill cannon count on mythic garothi?
fathom marten
You have the 2 piece 21 bonus?
hollow bolt
kk i dont know why but i feel like im getting creamed by that boss, he tears off my ip, and with his random patterns it can be hard to sit on him for rage, maybe i should just be a bit more ballzy
sick sentinel
yes lol
fathom marten
Sorry that was to budget
sick sentinel
i have diima trinket
and i wanna use when both cannons are up
for maximum parse
does non kill cannon dps count for dps on warcraftlogs
hollow bolt
Yes i have the 2 tier 21, im not using the 4 set. and i dont have tier 20 2/4 set
fathom marten
I'm not to sure about your question, I think it does though
hollow bolt
and yes it does abrodus
sick sentinel
okay good
hollow bolt
I also am lacking in the trinket department, runing arcano and darkmeme deck, have scorgewing and pantheon trinket. not sure what to use tbh
dont have a dog eye somehow
been tryn just wount seem to drop
fathom marten
I'm running just my tier 21 set atm as well and noticed i did better while having our Lego hands and belt on this fight. Keeping demo up more really helped
Bro I still don't have a dog eye as well
hollow bolt
kk i may swap to belt instead of pants, i was using bracers to help, i also am hardstuck with 935 tier pants
couldent get a mythic one at the time
fathom marten
Damn that's rough. How long you been at aggra?
hollow bolt
60ish wipes now?
not 2 long so its good to iron out these problems now rather then holding my raid hostage
fathom marten
oh that's not to bad
hollow bolt
yep yep! but it was an issue that occured and were tryna fix it
does the 4 set amount inc anyway? like does vers inc the extra ip added? or is it a static amount?
fathom marten
Really it just takes practice and figuring out how to set your mitigation up optimally at the right time
hollow bolt
yeah atleast it frees up my art, i noticed i get chunched during seeds and add explosion, so that will be nice
hollow bolt
yeah i know its not
i stated tanking this tier on vari mythic, it was the first thing i removed ;p
Never trial as a dps and offer to tank, ive never held 20 people hostage like that before
fathom marten
Hahah good to hear you realised it. I know it can be a little nerve wrecking because we love our ip so much but it really isn't as good as filling it in with others
hollow bolt
do people still use 4 set tier 20? or is that dead?
fathom marten
I mean it's mythic though. You gotta expect that to happen
Oh yeah people still use it for sure
hollow bolt
yeah tru, just i feel so bad holding everyone back
just thinking if i should item restore it its not all mythic but i was drowning in rage when i played with it at the start of the tier
hollow bolt
is 2p/2p better? i thought we wanted the 4 set for the bezerker rage spam?
undone sun
not if it's a 25 ilevel drop
hollow bolt
oh
fathom marten
Oh you do but I just couldn't get the high enough drops
hollow bolt
well shit
fathom marten
Yeah lol
undone sun
4pc t20 is worth more than 2pc t20
hollow bolt
but only if its within 25 ilvls?
fathom marten
Yeah, I'd say maybe even less for mythic.
I was only stating that I've done aggra a few times with only 2pc/2pc
So you can def do that
If you have it
For that extra rage
hollow bolt
mhn ok then, im probably gunna stick to my current set up. mostly the killer has been the aggro loss during the foebreaker. thank you guys for all the help. I will come at it swinging tomorrow
hollow bolt
will do
merry cave
We're just about to start agg as well. Is having a second bdk a big deal? Our frost DK is going to be blood but I have a bdk alt at 970 and wondering if it's worth swapping for it
Although that fight without leap π
merry cave
That's just lusting after second transition and killing it before adds pop?
dense salmon
what mechanics make kruul heal?
dense salmon
he casts it?
undone sun
yes
dense salmon
ahh kk ty
jade socket
@merry cave yes
merry cave
Awesome Ty :). If we get it I'll be super stoked getting that far as a 1 night guild
past crater
When antorus released everyone was wanting to use 4pc/2pc with Walls Fell and Thundergods vigor, What made walls fell fall off in favor of the gloves?
deft sapphire
Once you get high illv you wanna use 4p from antorus and gloves is a better legendary than walls fel
Just couldnβt use it while using a tier combo
past crater
oh ok it was just ilvl of tiers
just making sure there wasnt a nerf to it or something
deft sapphire
Pretty much, eventually ilvl is king for the overall stat budget
sick sentinel
is 4pc worth using on m argus?
sharp dew
brazen whale
Just received a 960 Impenetrable Nerubian Husk from my weekly chest. how good is it compared to raid trinkets? seems stronk on paper but I fear that the unpredictable aspect of it makes it not so good π€
round vortex
its garbage tier π¦
brazen whale
well rip
deft sapphire
@sick sentinel m argus you wanna use max avoidance gear
civic holly
vocal nimbus
Just ask
prisma scarab
I was Upper Karazhan and we had Prot Warrior who tank The Curator somehow every Power Discharge (blue shit) was placed on him so it was so easy but is it bug or something what can Prott Warrior do normaly?
restive scroll
I've heard somewhere that if the tank "kite" curator on that cast, he gets all the aoes on him
Didn't try it, can't confirm if that's true
vestal flax
It's something about moving out of melee range every time the sparks jump
have seen it replicated but haven't been able to do it myself
faint sorrel
Hello! I have a question. I'm just getting back into raiding and tanking. I read the guide and discussion about T20 4pc + T21 2pc. Should I be running ToS to try and farm the T20 at this point or just skip it and go for Ant? Currently we are running Reg Ant and trying to get started in Heroic.
restive scroll
Nop
Too much farm not worth it
I usually see that 4t20 is worth around 25 ilvl ~
faint sorrel
Awesome, Thanks!
sick sentinel
I mean .. ToS myth and even heroic is still worth the farm if u got the time for it
Trinket tf's ive seen there last weeks were juicy for example π
restive scroll
Of course, but given the info he gave us, i doubt he can go inside an interesting tos group without loosing a lot of time
rain hare
@faint sorrel I would recommend you to skip ToS and go full Antorus. 2p T21 + Offset it's pretty much what you'll wear with high ilvl.
sick sentinel
true hogo. It just reminded me about the 960 cradle that freakin hunter looted in front of my jealous grieving trollface π
timber nest
does anyone have a macro for cancelling stuff on argus to die to the 5th scythe?
@sick sentinel this week with my guild we saw a 940 + socket/speed RotD
restive scroll
I know, but i was trying to not give false hope :p
sick sentinel
Is it rly needed Larry? I mean u can always turn around and sit on the ground to receive a critting non-blocked hit
Not progging Argus. Just sayin π€
restive scroll
^^
timber nest
i could... just getting what the guild suggested... cuz last night i survived #5 with just shield block :/
sick sentinel
bad rng π
signal plover
U def had more than just SB if u survived the 5th stack
vestal flax
/cancelaura Shield Block
/cancelaura Concordance of the Legionfall
/cancelaura Celestial Bulwark
restive scroll
isn't a critblock enough?
sick sentinel
-> /cancleaura shieldblock
should work i guess
vestal flax
+anything else in there
sick sentinel
- all the other stuff yea
signal plover
With a high enough IP potentially yeah
Just turn your back
And u turn into paper
sick sentinel
or just -> /sit π
signal plover
Either way
vestal flax
Concordance + pantheon buff is pretty fucking stupid amounts of vers though
junior igloo
signal plover
Turning back is ez during the scythe cast if u pan camera ahead of time
sick sentinel
default blocks are real @junior igloo π±
timid jay
Turning around is definitely the best
I've managed to RNG crit block the 5th and 6th without SB up
sick sentinel
wtf rng crit. blocks w/o sb .. u guys living over the rainbow, arent u?
Myhic raiding 2k18 lul
timid jay
My orb soaker was no happy
timber nest
he wasnt :/ 5 orbs + monk
daring aspen
Noone was happy @timid jay
smoky canopy
I'm probably gonna be designated to be 3rd tank on vari. How do you guys do it
timber nest
Use legs and SR every necrotic
woven pelican
'sup guys, i can't found " bis " leg to survive. Someone can help me please ^^
restive scroll
Between mm+ procs, and raiding proc, there's not really one anymore. You have to adapt for your legendaries too
So general guidance is Ilvl > hast > mastery >= versa >> crit (i think)
You might want to check the guides to be sure
restive scroll
Probably x)
woven pelican
yeah about legendaryyy π
restive scroll
Gloves/belt/gloves mostly then
winged ridge
add gloves in maybe
restive scroll
Legs can be of use, shield wall ring also
Bracer * , thanks brett
I might want to go back to bed :)
glacial mortar
sick sentinel
I use gloves and belt at all times pretty much
Although bracer is good I kinda over gear everything and don't take much damage
onyx vessel
Yup prot warrior in a nutshell whats damage
sick sentinel
Quick question: do you use demo shout on cd when using it offensively or do you always wait to pop it until you have battle cry up too? This is with 2-set if that makes a difference.
unborn island
If it like 25-30s to BC I'll hold DS for 5s, usually the additional rage gets BC up
upbeat jasper
Yo, new warrior with trinket problem, just got 910 Nerubian Husk with +551 avoidance, should i use it and use it with what, my other trinkets are 955 eye of shatug, 935 Diima's, 910 haste stick with socket and darkmoon deck, mostly for survivality for raiding. And what about M+. Thanks!
undone sun
no, the voidance doesn't outweight how shitty the trinket is
upbeat jasper
oki, which ones you would recommend to use?
undone sun
no conviction? likely diima's and eye of fharg
upbeat jasper
nope
was playing fury a little time so i got the dps version, still no drop for prot
peak cloud
I'd run eye and diima's
Eye is very useful for the majority of antorus fights and gives a solid defensive on-use
Shatuug at 955 will outweigh the 910 stat-stick
I'd run it in the STR/Bonus Armor mode aswell unless you're getting 1 shot by something, but if that's the case something else is probably wrong
tidal spire
@peak cloud you mean diima's gives solid on use?
magic rain
When tanking purifiers on M Eonar do I need to step to the side to avoid the swipe or can I just take it? might have to sub in tonight is the reason I'm asking
timid jay
you can step to the side
magic rain
and if I don't will it wreck me?
timid jay
Not really
undone sun
it'll hurt but i doubt it'll kill you
magic rain
ok good to know, thanks
sick sentinel
Eye and Diima will give u good dps
But once u get ur pantheon use that and diima for best dps
And armor helps out too
@magic rain Eonar does negligible damage to you, purifiers shouldn't even scratch you with the swipe
mortal hawk
amanthuls or max lvl aggramars for m+?
signal plover
^man, what a problem to have
mortal hawk
lol
signal plover
AT
mortal hawk
I basically havent taken ATV off since I got it, but some guys were saying how the passive strength and vers proc >secondaries
signal plover
Does it proc in m+?