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#protection
undone sun
rose orbit
Hey guys, i've read the guides, saw pins & used the search bar to try and find answers but
to no avail
so just wanted to ask
what percentages should I aim for regarding stat distribution? guide only mentions stat priority but I've never seen any goals regarding the percentages (i.e 25% haste, 50% mastery, etc.)
junior ivy
i dont think the actual numbers are very important
undone sun
Correct, there aren't any requirements
junior ivy
but hopefully someone more informed will answer you lol
undone sun
It's just a general stat priority
junior ivy
oh there's someone there 😄
undone sun
Str>haste>master>=verse>crit
There are breakpoints with t21 2pc but those also aren't a requirement to hit
rose orbit
oh? because in-game i've talked to some prot warrs.
who have told me that my haste was kinda bad atm, with 15% haste
undone sun
I mean, it's not great but it's useable
rose orbit
icic, just wanna do my best when i raid n get whatever things i can get right, right
thanks tho
😃
junior ivy
i usually try and keep mine 25-30%
but sometimes it dips below 20
and i still do okay
verbal socket
anyone know how the appolcalypse modules work in mythic argus? do they always explode even if you kill it in time? i can't find the log entry
@undone sun
undone sun
Yes, the only difference is how long it takes to kill them
verbal socket
if we kill the module after 2 ticks
does the big explosion happen right away or is it after the 25 time still
25 sec
this is what im seeing
undone sun
Looks normal ¯_(ツ)_/¯
verbal socket
what imt rying to understand is..
if we don't kill the module - when does the big explosion happen? (assuming we can heal through the 500k ticks) is it at the end of the 25 sec cast? or if we cleave it down next to boss - will the explosion happen right then and there? presumably killing everyone cleaving it
or am I completely missing how this ability works
undone sun
Yes, the cast is irrelevant if you kill said module, once it's killed it'll drop the void zone
The cast is only relevant if you do not kill it in time
verbal socket
aight thanks
restive scroll
@rose orbit I don't know why no one told you this (still, correct me if i missread a while back), since they usualy rush to it but 20% hast lets one more SS inside the BC window, and 50 another one. Add lag, and you can estimate that 25% and 55% are fine for it. Doesn't mean they are obligatory, as Thyme said, stats are just a priority order, but ilvl is still often better.
restive scroll
probably a bit more, since i'm sure you're lagging a bit as we all do
keen spire
So if I can only achieve 37% haste at the highest of my haste optimization, and my mastery is at 34%, but optimizing for mastery gets me 51% and 27% haste, I should go for the 51% mastery?
because of the timing of SS windows and such
restive scroll
either is fine since it's 20%(+lag) + hast
keen spire
I tried tanking heroic felhounds tonight at 943 ilvl, and I got rekt by Shatug... it was a massive struggle to survive through anything after the third stack of Decay from his Corrupting Maw strikes... does anyone else have a huge problem with massive spikes of intake on damage like that?
undone sun
Just make sure to block the initial hits, the dot should be smoothed out by IP
SB + SR for the later hits should help a lot, ~5-7 ish
keen spire
thanks dude
unborn island
also don't sweat using LS/SW, with the amount of rage you generate on that fight, you get them back up pretty quickly
ripe cypress
shield wall especially, if you have the t20 4p+t21 2p and SW lego. You can use SW for every 8th stack basically
summer wigeon
I am getting so sick of the prot hidden appearance never being active
Like as long as I run the script it always comes back false
lofty isle
You're standing in the cave?
slate obsidian
good thing I got it when it wasn't a daily chance
undone sun
Same
signal plover
Yeah that 45 mins of log in spam when it became active looks really good in retrospect
I remember someone in here doing it for like 8 hours straight
Only to find out their macro was wrong lol
dusk locust
yeah i never got the emote, and one day i ran the script for the hell of it and it returned true
and the appearance was in there
who knows how many times it was there and i didn't know
round hornet
I didn't get my research fast enough for that rip
stray wedge
Took me like 10 months or something iirc
junior ivy
omg i feel so lucky now that i got mine easily
i came in this chat and asked 'how do i get my hidden appearance' and i was told go to the cave, so i did
and it was there.
restive scroll
I hate you.
signal plover
That's what happens when ur famous
prisma crane
#streamerluck
signal plover
I tried streaming once
My mom watched
She said I was shit and to reroll dk
So I stopped
restive scroll
Damn your mom is tough
signal plover
Eastern Europe n shit
prisma crane
more impressed that she knows the class "balance" enough to tell you what to swap to
signal plover
The worst part is I didn't even tell her I was streaming
She just hopped into chat to troll some idiot noob warr
ember arrow
#truestory
round hornet
not super crazy or anything, I've met some ppl over 60 that play wow
magic rain
Is the 4pc worth using if I can just use 2pc and some larger TF pieces?
junior ivy
i dont think 4pc is necessary at all for prot
undone sun
Fight dependent and how much ilevel you'd drop
magic rain
40 ilvl difference between tier chest and mastery/haste TF piece
undone sun
Probably not then
magic rain
I use gloves/bracers for raid tanking and bracers/legs in m+, I usually ran 4pc in raid but it just felt funky not having the stamina in raid in comparison to my dungeon set
plain ice
bracers/legs in m+ for 3 charges of shield block?
you find that gives you more survivability than bracers/belt? @magic rain
junior ivy
i only use legs for specific bosses
like first boss in maw, medivh
i forget if theres others
magic rain
I don't have belt, and I personally find that often times having maximum uptime on shield block during large pulls helps, but it is dungeon specific
plain ice
ah, makes sense
ember arrow
legs dont actually gives u more charges, becasue once u spent the first one, unless u let it charge to 3 between pulls
there will be no difference
prisma crane
^
shy rapids
whats a good amount of haste to have as prot?
undone sun
There's no minimum nor any breakpoints to worry about, soft cap is unreachable so just aim for haste in secondary stats
stark sage
the most you can have without dropping ilvl
wild stump
hi swayze
signal plover
Hey!
wild stump
hehe
signal plover
Sorry, looks like he GHOSTED u
dark junco
What would be haste softcap? 55ish?
dark junco
So only time you can reach that is the Greater invasion tree haste buff?
Even with chronoshard + sephuz its not reachable, you’d need hero on top of that lol
So yeah, I guess your right, legit unreachable =p
restive scroll
I have troll zerker instead of sephuz, but yeah, it's pretty much it
signal plover
So I'm seeing 116% haste required to play prot warr ?
restive scroll
Indeed, that's why only great warriors survive, such as thyme and cosmo
unborn island
116% min haste, until then you need to take indomitable, into the fray and ravager
Otherwise your survivability is poop
wooden lark
for example illysanna ravencrest in brh vengeful shear
yeah sorry thats what i meant
ill rewrite it to avoid confusion ^^
in some dungeons you need to pop damage mitigation (shield block) or else the boss gets a damage buff etc with that ability, does the artifact ability also count as a shield block?
hmm ok
restive scroll
I don't know, but I'd tend to say no since they are active mitigation check (even in the codex)
prisma crane
NF doesnt count as AM in those AM checks such as on illysanna
shut summit
dusk locust
learned that the hard way in neltharion's
undone sun
Also learn to reflect :smart:
stark sage
@undone sun i dont have 116% haste yet, should i change all my mastery gear over to haste if i drop 40 ilvls
undone sun
stark sage
:smart:
lapis topaz
Man, just came back and read this backlog. A+ work guys. You're really starting to get it. (Plus you made me lol, and I needed that today, so thank you.)
long gorge
Hey guys, I'm having real trouble recognising which adds need to be picked up on Argus since they all look the same see-through blue thing... is there a trick to this or is it just a git gud thing?
winged marsh
they transform a little bit into the phase, I dont believe theres a way to tell
you can just run around tagging them as the phase starts to ensure you have agro, then taunt the ones that transform so they dont smack someone as soon as they become active
winged marsh
I believe so
long gorge
ok I'll try that - thanks! having real trouble with it :C
keen spire
@long gorge Yo, the ones you need to pick up get really big, like 1.5 times the height of the other guys, and they get equipped with a bigass sword or daggers. all the others are untankable
it's also random which one will get big
long gorge
Yea I know they are meant to get bigger but I often completely miss it even if I'm staring straight at it and only notice it's that once when they start meleeing people
keen spire
I usually just stand in the middle looking around the room rapidly to see which one gets hit with the bigness
You also want to make sure you're tanking the one with the sword in the middle, away from any of the other adds, and the daggers one should be tanked on the outer ring, next to one of the casting blue dudes
that will help reduce the damage taken
long gorge
I can usually manage the first ones but when they switch and I'm not able to be in the middle I really can't see if ones on the other side of the room change
I'll probably try Furyslouch's idea of tagging them all just to hope it helps if I can't recognise them quick enough ^^
keen spire
o.O what do you mean when they switch?
keen spire
does your group know about the 200% damage buff?
long gorge
Which 200% damage buff?
keen spire
each add in that phase gets marked with an icon
long gorge
Oh yea
keen spire
the icon represents a damage type
long gorge
the elemental weakness
long gorge
Yea, they know about that but the empowered adds still switch at least 3 times
keen spire
so they should be focusing their dmage on the one they are effective against
holy crap.. 3 times?
long gorge
yea
keen spire
is this normal or heroic
long gorge
heroic
keen spire
oh okay
long gorge
oh, were you meaning normal? yea I dont think they switch on normal and I tend to be ok there ^^;
it's just heroic that I'm standing there dying and squinting at all these blue twins >.<
is there a weak aura like there is for the weakness?
keen spire
well they still shouldn't need to swap around.. I think your DPS need to be focusing them down a bit more
someone else wanna correct me if I'm wrong here? I may have a limited perspective since I've never seen them swap.. lol
peak cloud
Nope that's right. In heroic your DPS should focus their weakness first since the melee add swaps around. Tanks should stack their add on a second add for cleave damage.
The melee adds hit very hard, and the key is that you need to keep them separated to prevent them from empowering eachother.
languid rose
only one of them empowers anything
round hornet
2h sword guy iirc
frigid leaf
what legos do u rock as prot in m+
ember arrow
wrists/gloves belt on aoe
jade holly
Belt/Bracers, legs on certain bosses.
ember arrow
legs for extr SR on certain bosses
olive granite
if i have same ilvl statstick trinkets do i just want haste ones or are there breakpoints?
stark sage
there are breakpoints, but haste in general is best
mastery can be stronger in some cases
soft kindle
Perhaps a silly question, but does anyone know if item level affects the strength of riftworld codex procs?
west kayak
crystal night
@undone sun So since we are missing a defensive on beta right now is blizz just going to randomly give us the defensive they choose on beta between now and launch?
ember arrow
ember arrow
soem good news, i jsut +2 +19 votrw wit pug wit 0 deaths
that gotta ba new reford
record
no complete morons
onyx vessel
all hes missing
sick sentinel
🎉
onyx vessel
4 set t21 ewwwwwww
ember arrow
ye pty good
onyx vessel
nahh
ember arrow
uhm yes it is
u dont need to teach me warr stuff tyvm
t20 is only good if its same ilvl
if u got 25ilvl + items its worth more
onyx vessel
nah i got like 40+ ilvl differance
ember arrow
t20 pieces 40 ilvls lower?
onyx vessel
yes
onyx vessel
i do
ember arrow
id say use it over reliquary
unless u need the cd
pantheon is good all around trink
kind glen
Pantheon Trinket is awesome.
ember arrow
not good defensively, but u only need def trinkets on high m+ or maybe m (not even anymore)
ember arrow
4set t21 i use for def
its ogod vs m+ trash packs
and i use it on high keys
otherwise i use t21 2p wit offpieces
onyx vessel
what legos i have all but bracers and trinket
kind glen
Yeah, 9 overall ilvl is a crazy good increase.
ember arrow
unless ur t21 4p is same ilvl
onyx vessel
and ofc no argus
ember arrow
amanthul?
ember arrow
t21 4p is good defensively
otherwise use 2p, which is pty necessary for maximum rage/dps/surv gain
onyx vessel
which legos for raiding do you use
ember arrow
belt/gloves
kind glen
I use gloves and bracers personally
ember arrow
i dont have a guild for m anymore and hc doenst require wrists
kind glen
Belt is awesome too. I just dont trust my healers.
ember arrow
m+ i always use wrists belt for trash
gloves/wrists for bosses
wrists/legs for specific cases
always srists so i can be ignored by healer
kind glen
I need to use belt more in M+. I like the gloves too much lol
ember arrow
havent played warr in a while, warr fatigue, playi ndk atm
the set on armory is prob my boss set
onyx vessel
im using the belt and gloves is worth switching too the walls fel cuz of the fact i have 960 belt vs 930 ring?
lego wise*
onyx vessel
kk
ember arrow
glvoes trump ring in rage gen
onyx vessel
no belt
ember arrow
cds are short enough without it
onyx vessel
belt and ring sorry
ember arrow
only reason TWF was used becaseu u cudnt equip gloves wit set combo
when u dont need to have combo, gloves are superior
onyx vessel
but belt even for bosses alone tho?
ember arrow
u dont have wrists right
onyx vessel
i dont have bracers :((((
ember arrow
id use belt/gloves then
onyx vessel
10 legos in no bracers
ember arrow
or gloves/legs for things like mos 1st boss
ST its still worth becasue thats like 1sec off DS
15
languid rose
955 pants out simming 970 pants, i get to drop 1.5k crit 😂
onyx vessel
whats good for trinkets then?
kind glen
I use pantheon and Diimas
ember arrow
pantheon, diimas, apoc drive
i use diimas wit pantheon 99%
and WHOD and pantheon for tough bosses
onyx vessel
when do you use apoc?
onyx vessel
i need diimas 😦
kind glen
languid rose
i just use a 970 stat stick 🤷
languid rose
on the other hand my highest apoc is still a 945 and i haven't seen a diima's
kind glen
Which secondary on the 970?
languid rose
mastery
ember arrow
🤢
languid rose
33% haste, real issue is this 18% crit
onyx vessel
@ember arrow for talents what you take for t90?
onyx vessel
boom i got you bb
onyx vessel
on heroic dogs with this warrior tank with indom vs me i took 418k damage per second and he took 918k per
wat
onyx vessel
also HR
ember arrow
ye
primal crypt
@ember arrow what's WHOD?
undone sun
Writhing heart of darkness, trinket out of DHT
austere stream
Can anybody point me to where I can learn everything there is to know about critical blocking?
serene stag
Crit block is just a block that blocks double than a normal block. it's 100% chance to occur during a nelth's fury, otherwise it's your mastery %.
proper pecan
does shieldslam got an additional threat modifiers
@shut summit
ember arrow
Dont think so
deft sapphire
No it doesn’t I think only heroic throw does, and taunt obviously
restive scroll
Does anyone knows if we can get out of fight gloves proc before changing gear?
Micro optimisation, but still kinda interesting
keen spire
does anybody know how to sim properly with simcraft for tanks? I'm getting some really jacked up values
restive scroll
Check the pins, i think they're something about it
keen spire
I saw the DPS one and figured I shouldn't click on it... Then I clicked on it and saw the "How to Sim for survivability: Don't." lol
thanks hogo
restive scroll
Sure thing :)
deft sapphire
yeah you can get kakushans proc before combat it lasts forever
rough jasper
since you would need to auto hit something to trigger it, I guess no
restive scroll
Same here, but i'm asking in case i missed something
deft sapphire
theres some toys but yeah not otherwise
restive scroll
Thanks for the confirmation fellows :)
round hornet
Less pugging more friend making to get good keys :)
restive scroll
For tyranical*
neat ledge
hello all im ms arms but i like to do well as prot in m+ however, i take SHIT load of spik e damge particularly in fortified weeks
can someone help me
im 970 i lvl 2set hc
25% haste
dark junco
Any logs ?
neat ledge
i hate that, i rly like tankking as warrior, but damge spikes are real
nop havnt tanked antorus even once lol
only m+
dark junco
Wont help for tanking ¸¸
^^*
Make sure shield wall is up when you need it
Do at @rugged magnet macro Warbringer intervene
neat ledge
i dono what im doing wrong, im not a bad player, i try to have shield block up i use spell reflect magic.,, stun intrupt and cds when i know damges gona come on
in*
dark junco
Stack CC/Stuns
neat ledge
warbringer?? i take shockwave
dark junco
Don't
Take warbringer with a @rugged magnet intervene macro
Will aoe stun mobs and its not on diminishing returns with the others
undone sun
Yes
dark junco
Yeah, but i'm bad at being aware of where my mouse is while spamming
restive scroll
#showtooltip Intercept /use [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][@target] Intercept
Will in priority order interv a friendly mouseover > charge a hostile target
undone sun
Warbringer turns your charge and intercept into an AOE stun
dark junco
When you intervene, warbrigner will aoe stuns all the mobs around your interveneed target
neat ledge
oh wtf thts op
restive scroll
Not a friendly target
dark junco
Charge does, but not intervene
So if you make a focus macro and cast your intervene on your focus (usually a good melee) it'll aoe stun all the mobs.
restive scroll
and it's off DR stun
dark junco
^
restive scroll
or a pet
dark junco
I hate relying on a pet if hunter keep swapping
restive scroll
when you don't have melee T_T
dark junco
If you,re good with your mouse, mouseover macro is better
restive scroll
more often like lock infernal
dark junco
But if you lack mouse awareness like me, the lazy setfocus one does wonders
restive scroll
go booming voice instead of vengeance
Not usefull ienough with T21 2P, plus dps increase
neat ledge
but i zlready have issues with damge taken:?\
dark junco
3/3/1(2if teeming week)/1(2 if necrotic week)/1/3/1
neat ledge
if igo booming voice i hve to do gloves and belt
dark junco
Yep
restive scroll
yeup
dark junco
Ring like...
restive scroll
wrist gloves for mono
dark junco
Sephuz ?
restive scroll
wrist belt for packs
dark junco
Cause sephuz is good with warbringer
neat ledge
true
dark junco
Wells fall isn't that good unless its tyrannical
restive scroll
Sephuz is good, but you have to be sure about yourself before trying it
undone sun
Well sephuz procs off normal charges, it's good regardless in keys
neat ledge
ye only tlkin m+ now coz i never get to tank raids, we have 2many tanks
dark junco
I got gloves + belt
restive scroll
yeah, but you can't really spare a legendary slot if you're already getting reckt :/
dark junco
and sephyz + belt if i'm going full aoe revenge spam CC group
Only talking M+ here too
restive scroll
still, depend on key level, and assurance
dark junco
so I take bounding instead of Warlord charges
neat ledge
hvnt been able to key a 20 with guild yet
restive scroll
Usually i don't kite much, unless specific trashs such as nelta
dark junco
^
restive scroll
even in 23/24
dark junco
Freaking pelters
neat ledge
yeh they suck ass on forti
dark junco
Pelters + thundercaster in HoV
restive scroll
yeup
mostly
Anyway, just saying that you can take it usually
and my healer often forgets me
dark junco
Just booming voice + belt is gonna do amazing
instead of TWF
Adding warbringer with that will help a ton
And if you know you can do some sweet dps and you've got a nice bunch of cc, sephuz is pretty pretty good
restive scroll
good summing up !
dark junco
Whats your character name @neat ledge ?
Yo, is Icy veins (lol) right on that ''Finally, Warbringer Icon Warbringer is going to provide the best damage increase, but it only deals damage to stunnable targets (such as adds/trash)''
Never noticed if its the case or not
I seem to remember it still does damage to raid bosses
ember arrow
Skada: DPS for Total: 20:07 (35 Min 23 Sec):
- Brèwslee 1.67M
- Pepeliankata 1.48M
- Offtank 956.7K
- Demonbaby 934.6K
- Соуле 248.4K
NICE DPS
on a +18
im offtank btw
/s
restive scroll
@dark junco Yes, in the sense that it's off GCD, you're gonna get some rage with that, and even more if you get some auto from the boss
And the other two take a gcd that's very low
dark junco
Nah I meant the last part
Icy veins says its doing DPS only to stunnable
Like I feel its wrong
IIRC it still deals damage even when it doesn't stun, no ?
ember arrow
hm
restive scroll
On a random dongeon, warbringer & charge both present
so i suppose they are right
ember arrow
charge shud still do dmg
dark junco
Wow, feels like they are, can't see the damage from anywhere too
Color me surprised lol
restive scroll
it's so rare :p
warped geyser
Hey everyone, question about DBM. I've seen some videos of tanks that have an addon that tell them when to taunt and seems pretty tank specific. Anyone know what it is or if it exsits? Thanks
sick sentinel
Yeah
DBm does that @warped geyser
It has timers and when there is a taunt swap mechanic it will tell you to taunt
warped geyser
havent done ag/arg yet
warped geyser
i research them but when i go to actually do it its like i forgot everything
sick sentinel
Should tell you to taunt every time he does shadow strike
warped geyser
hmmm
sick sentinel
Yeah prob what happend
sick sentinel
Make sure to have all the DBM related things clicked In addons in the menu
sick sentinel
Good luck
warped geyser
Thanks
wooden lark
wtf is with hyrja man
she hits too hard
4 mil through my spell block after hitting me for 1 mil per attack with shield block on .. i survive with like 10% hp
also her arcing bolt seems to 1 shot my team most of the time
tips?
wooden lark
yeah
ember arrow
use SW/LS on her lazor
alternate
also 1mil melees is nothing
just wiped on fenryr cuz people pulled 5 wolves
while runnign from him
fuuucking monkeys
wooden lark
well its the 1 mil melees with the storm shit that burns through my ip, then when it comes for the lazor if in not more than 65% ish hp then im 1shot
thats with sr
and im rage starved to build more ip as i dont have 2set yet
and sw/ls are long cds, she will lazer 3+ times in the amount of time they are on cd esp with tyrannical?
restive scroll
Don't know, she doesn't hurt that bad. with bracer/gloves i did 30 % on my own in 21 tyra twice
But she's gonna kill people, and you'll probably have to finish her on your own at some point
wooden lark
hmm i need to get bracers, my legendaries currently are aggramars and kil jaedens..
shit but ive not been lucky with drop
restive scroll
Avoid/versa gear helps, aswell as pridaz & trinket from high command
Bracer are the most important part anyway
T21 2pc?
restive scroll
Well that's why then
t21 2pc gives you so much rages, that you can get heal yourself with bracer quite a lot
combined with anger management and booming voice
but don't expect miracles without it
Frankly, it's not the same class without this 2p
legendaries are a lot less important
wooden lark
hmm will have to wait till next week then and hopefully get another piece then
restive scroll
indeed. Good luck
restive scroll
either is fine, depending on key level, and skill.
ember arrow
i mean, stom part for tanks is part when they heal up
for my dk and warr thats like the heal phase
wit vengeance weaving u still get healing for total rage cost
wit wrists
but he doesnt have those so ye
restive scroll
indeed, but it depends if he's confortable enough with that cycle
because failing it is kind of costy
ember arrow
well ye, but without t21 veneance is better option
failing anytihng wit warr is costly
😛
restive scroll
that's true too
grand trellis
Is shared suffering blockable? In lower Kara.
grand trellis
Oooohhhh
ember arrow
u can jump out wit leap jsut be4 cast finishes
if u dont wanna soajk
otherwise def trinket + DS + SR + SW/LS is mnore than enough
this depends on key level ofc
restive scroll
(use pauldron to be safe, sometimes he casts it twice)
and remember that your melees might still soak it for you... and die
ember arrow
i just soak it liek a man
undone sun
same
grand trellis
No wonder my dk is so much better in m+. You can block hardly anything worthwhile
Can’t.
undone sun
very infrequently would we be able to block non-melee magic damage
just how the block mechanic works, we have plenty of CDs and a big enough health buffer for it to not matter
grand trellis
Seems like the stuff in raids is totally different thouvh
hearty compass
hey all, just a quick question, is the 4 piece tier 21 a must for prot warriors? thanks
undone sun
no
wicked snow
I just started playing with my alt warrior again and I run 4pc t20 and 2pc t21. Not sure if it's right but it works well.
wicked snow
I'm only 930 ATM. And doing normal and m+ runs
sick sentinel
is used 4pc/2pc until i had lots of heroic gear and had myself like 960ish gear
it works well even for mythic bosses combo is strong survivability
bronze helm
i just started playing again.. wasnt there something else than ignore pain to dump rage before? like you had to alternate it
undone sun
vengenace weaving, rev>IP>rev>ip
bronze helm
focused rage is what i was thinking of i think
verbal socket
What’s the best strategy in argus p3; I see in the tank notes that first tank dying on 4th scythe lines up well for the abilities; do we continue to die every 4th stack or is it just 4-5-5-5 etc?
We’ve been dying on 5th and sometimes; 5 balls seems too much for the raid?
round hornet
u wont get 5 balls if u die on fifth
We had the ball soaking tank take the first scythe, then me and ot her maintank just die on 5 every time
the thing u read on tanknotes.tk is about p2 btw
not p3
Also I had the third tank take first scythe so that I would have one less when solotsnking while everyone else suicides
verbal socket
i see -
we are just doing 5-5-3 (suicide happens)-1/2 (3rd tank while everyone revives) - 5-5-5
okay doesnt seem like much to change
cosmic stream
Hey marok can i be storm forged yet @fierce juniper
abstract gate
hey, got a rookie prot question, anyone available?
round hornet
just ask
abstract gate
well, I noticed when I charge into some groups, I may be low on rage or have none. So I can't pop IP really or an effective one. What is the best way to handle that scenario?
just tag me, if anyone wants to answer, thanks
lethal monolith
In my experience, defensive trinkets work, but I usually just bite through with Demo since I run Soul
abstract gate
Cool. I don’t even have any leggos yet
lethal monolith
How you handle certain things will likely depend on your first legendaries then
I use the soul and trinket for most things, primarily because I dont have the hands yet, but I also perfer my rage generation on the wilder side
ember arrow
@grand trellis im late to the party, but dk is better in m+ due to its utility, not survivability,
@abstract gate generally, if the pack is big and/or dangerous, just pop a cd. otherwise if ur playing Warbringer (you should), just use the time theyre stunned to build up rage
abstract gate
Ok thanks. And I’ll switch to Warbringer. Should I use it even without the tier?
lethal monolith
Warbringer would help alot more than Shockwave, which is what I see quite a few others (and myself) use in your case for sure
ember arrow
it isnt on DR wit other stuns
if u intercept melee dps in melee range, then adds are stunned aswell
also, using warbringer has nothing to do with wether or not u got tier
jade socket
👏
junior ivy
IVE WAITED FOR THIS MOMENT FOR SO LONG
it was such a slow crawl from 2500 to 3000
i was at 2800 for weeks. 2947 for another couple weeks
fathom hollow
@junior ivy grats!
junior ivy
thanks 😃 😃
limber tulip
how does IP stack?
ember arrow
3 60 rage ip is the cap
limber tulip
thanks 😃
undone sun
Linearly
limber tulip
no not multiplicative ?
vocal nimbus
@abstract gate whenever you charge into a pack pop a shield block charge. If you are chaining pulls and you have shield block on cd then pop a deffensive cd to ensure you survive until you get rage. Charging in without anything isnt really that dangerous unless you are doing a high m+ dungeon or aMM raid
Also warbringer helps a lot as someone said before
slender inlet
actually get legs leg can u tell me if it's usefull or not ^^ ?
undone sun
legs are situational, not great for general use but have some strong situations
vocal nimbus
They are useful to cheese certain m+ bosses as well as varimathras in antorus
They are helpful in aggramar too
shadow escarp
could anyone tell me how they deal withg scythes on warrior on argus HC
last phase?
timid jay
Mostly shield block
shadow escarp
i cant seem to get a high amount of hits in
timid jay
Throw in bigger CD's once you start taking decent chunks of damage from the scythes
shadow escarp
i just die sometimes
when i take idk
40% of my hp
next time my I{P isnt big enough apparently
undone sun
have any logs?
mostly depends on gear but SB alone should be enough for the first few
vocal nimbus
Depending on your ilvl shield block should cover 3-5
timid jay
You can always check the spreadsheet for pins so you can plan your CD usage in beforehand
vocal nimbus
#promotion please
undone sun
🤣
shadow escarp
let me check that spreadsheet out
vocal nimbus
Whenever you have SB up and the scythe really hurts start using a def cd for each next scythe
Remember that you can use the artifact too
timid jay
It can be a bit hard to gauge with random crit blocks being thrown in
undone sun
yeah, minimum time between scythes is ~8 seconds
last phase heroic he shouldn't have that many delays if at all
vocal nimbus
Watch the timer and pop it when he is about to cast the scythe
undone sun
LS lasts 15s
sick sentinel
Oh, good subject
I just got hit for 16m by H Argus with 3 stacks and shield wall up
ilvl 966
RIP warrior, to the bin
timid jay
Shield wall is worse than shield blcok with bastion relics 🤔
vocal nimbus
timid jay
It deals 42M damage, so with 10k armor and 5 TC stacks up
without bastion
The 4th should be 11M damage taken
So
vocal nimbus
Did you have angel res debuff?
shadow escarp
i kinda dislike the whole crit block thing
sick sentinel
Just got up from the tree after getting titanforging
timid jay
Unless you have 100% crit block chance its nothing to rely on
shadow escarp
as a DK you dont really have RNG, makes it easier to feel when you should pop something
also DK is easy mode
vocal nimbus
There isnt rng if you dont expect to crit
sick sentinel
Go in expecting to die and you'll never be disappointed
vocal nimbus
If you do things thinking that sb wont crit then you are good to go 🤷
timid jay
🤔
undone sun
not wrong..
timid jay
If you are in a situation where you need the RNG crit block to survive you did something wrong
vocal nimbus
I mean, when i plan out a fight i do things without relying in sb critting
shadow escarp
i dont really plan out fights, i just wing it
vocal nimbus
You can and should rely in NF's crit block
shadow escarp
see whats up press those buttons if i feel like i need them
but i dont tank mythic so theres that
timid jay
I only really planned the later mythic fights
vocal nimbus
^
shadow escarp
argus seems like great fun for war
undone sun
pretty boring imo
undone sun
^
vocal nimbus
You just block scythes and die over and over
shadow escarp
we got 2 tanks soaking orbs 1 tanking boss
shadow escarp
mythic
timid jay
I do help out soaking the occasional orb but I leave the majority for the guy designated to doing it
Mostly just grabbing them if he calls for it or if I see that its going to be hard for him
undone sun
same
timid jay
oof
vocal nimbus
Raiding 2 days of the 5 scheduled and half the time each day per week
Spanish lazyness 👌
timid jay
Oh yeah, you had that 2h 5 days or some strange stuff
vocal nimbus
Ends up being 1hx2days
vocal nimbus
👍
restive scroll
Does anyone knows how the last boss of coen bugs for the shield? sometimes i die from orbs in P2, that i soaked with the shield
vocal nimbus
Hit reg is funky sometimes
dont rotate in the same place
make a step towards the incoming ball
I usually run around the room somewhat close to illidan
restive scroll
Alright, i'm already doing it but i guess that's not enough :/
solid drum
How difficult ist CoS +19 tyrannical? We just started pushing keys so we're not experienced yet. You need a lot of damage on Boss 2 and 3, dont you?
restive scroll
Boss 2 is a lot of endurance
You need good aoe dps for it
Last boss is mostly a lot of burst healing, so safegard is great
solid drum
ok
solid drum
I play with warbringer and safeguard, so i can probably stun the imps on boss 2 a lot
oh rly? Cool thanks! That is good to know
restive scroll
yeah, depends since they are in the flames anyway
solid drum
Yeah, positioning is probably important. Would you recommend Shockwave instead?
But Warbringer so goood
mortal carbon
for argus mythic bracers or kakushan?
ember arrow
gloves
restive scroll
No, warbringer is way too powerful
solid drum
yeah, thought so
restive scroll
On harbor pull, on teeming pull in general in the instance
plus you still stun them a bit
that mostly depends if you have a good target, which i didn't have in my last runs
vocal nimbus
If your group positions properly you stun the imps with warbringer too
If your warbringer pal is someone you can communicate with tell him to stay at the edge of the flames
solid drum
I had a run with 3 ranges, 2 boomies and a ele shaman. Warbinger was not fun
But yeah, I will try t o position proberly
vocal nimbus
The healer can be your warbringer buddy
restive scroll
I had a warlocks pet, which wasn't that bad, but stuns weren't on all imps, and safeguard sadly didn't matter on that infernal
solid drum
Hmmm. Good point. Apropros Healer, we have a Shaman, I would guess because of cooldowns and mastery shaman is good for the last boss?
restive scroll
Don't particulary know about mastery sham, but he has good tools for the fight
You can always safeguard him, so he can care more of others than himself
solid drum
yeah, I will do that
restive scroll
(care so he's close to you)
(i did it on someone far away and almost cost us the key since i got stun... :/)
solid drum
charged a guy in HoV on the first group who had the aoe stun around him. Technically that play did stun.....just not the enemy <.<
oh, and I got Horn of Valor from that. How good is that for Prot?
(for dps)
solid drum
Ohhh coool! Thanks, I didn't know that!
placid mango
How is prot as third tank for argus
Any any tips/suggestions on how to do it and what my role even is. I just escort Sargeras fear with soul light on p1, p2 I soak bombs if I have avatar, and p3 I soak balls right?
timid jay
3rd tank is kinda ass for prot warriors
vocal nimbus
Wear pants if you are third tank
timid jay
Its a lot of magic damage, pretty much wear pants and hope for the best
restive scroll
@vocal nimbus It's pretty great if you can preshot it (start of the instance for example/long way to go) for a "short" pack or on specific bosses windows, such as curator
solid drum
Ahhh thanks ok! I don't have much alternative for DPS anyway. Still hoping for Shard. Will go sim myself now 😃
vocal nimbus
Diima's in dungeons is 👌
vocal nimbus
No, it isnt
solid drum
My Diimas is only 935 :/
restive scroll
They are still pretty strong too, but i'm not sure that dilma wouldn't be better
I admit i forgot to use mine, and mostly stay in shard, it's not bad in mm+
solid drum
Sim says Diimas is better even on ST. So I will use it. I always forget to use it as well, so then I go Eye of...
solid drum
On Burst window I didn't sim. But I think then Horn is better, because it was just very close behind
restive scroll
Thanks for the feedback
junior ivy
which boss drops tier helm i forget
junior ivy
hmmm
ok lemme go look at my gear again
cause i got 970 gloves
and i wanted to use them
wait this is for fury though
i probably should have asked in fury
lol
restive scroll
indeed x)
junior ivy
i just hvae a bunch of high ilvl gear in my bank
and i hate that i cant use it
for whatever reason. tier, stats, legendaries
restive scroll
Welcome to legion :)
vocal nimbus
congrats
junior ivy
thanks 😄
vocal nimbus
whats your job?
vocal nimbus
pantheon and dmd/high haste stick should be fine
hollow tundra
So
vocal nimbus
any elusion gear is really helpful too
hollow tundra
Apocalypse?
undone sun
Anything with avoidance, diimas is also pretty good
junior ivy
THYME DID YOU SEE.
undone sun
Most of the damage is from scythes, apoc isn't great
junior ivy
I GOT 3K.
ember arrow
okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
undone sun
Yeah, 👏 @junior ivy
junior ivy
😄
vocal nimbus
@hollow tundra a haste stick is far better than the apocalypse there
undone sun
Diimas can cover two scythes, really handy
pure abyss
I used panth / dmd for MTing argus. 20% avoidance as well.
undone sun
Used a 910 whod because it had avoidance for the first kill, now it just conviction and eye of fharg for main stat
plain dawn
guys am i right in thinking that we use Warbringer for M+ and not shockwave cus it doesnt share DR with other stuns?
inb4 'for M+ we use rerolling DK'
undone sun
Correct
Also two charges, shorter cd, and you can intercept a nearby friendly to stun enemies
Off Dr is a big reason though
plain dawn
ah cool, that makes sense then
wooden lark
does it have dr with itself?
restive scroll
even if you don't
it's too powerfull
it's just a damn lot easier to use with a melee
broken mulch
Hi there! So i main fury this xpac but i'm asked to tank varimatras mythic on progress, are there any tips,tricks or special items i should get my hands on? 😃
restive scroll
use a CD on the slash, you can use the legendary legs with that
it's safer, because you can take a big auto just before it
sick sentinel
yeah what hogo said
spell reflect will make you take nearly no damage at all
and with lego pants you can cover nearly all slashes easily
grand trellis
I feel like the only reason I like the apocalypse drive is the haste
ember arrow
its a def trinekt, if u dont need the def part then eq somethign else
its really goodat what it does
ember arrow
Skada: DPS for Total: 00:22 (35 Min 06 Sec):
- Iolnycto 2.87M
- Dunced 2.64M
- Bellätrix 1.99M
- Offtank 802.1K
finally some good pug dps
sinful vortex
not using details in 2018
ember arrow
using details in 2018
broken mulch
@restive scroll sorry i didn't mention that i'll be that 3rd tank doing the necrotic stuff,, wondered if i should just go dps focused gameplay and trinkets or what's best! not having to care about the slashes
think i may just run prydaz/wrist lego's and use panth + arcano 910 trinkets? also have 960 drive trinket but don't feel like that will be too good while not activelyl tanking ofc
deft galleon
Using "Using" memes in $CurrentYear
orchid pivot
Should I be using class ring or prydaz for agg prog ?
deft galleon
Insignia
restive scroll
I assumed, but he still hits hard on a few downtime as a dps, that's why even thought you could have good timmings , it's not worth it imo
Unless your in farm period, and then, enjoy
Forget pridaz as a tank thoug
@broken mulch
storm slate
is indominitable ever worth taking?
storm slate
even 938 ilevel and only 7.5 million health everyone is shitting on meeeee
sick sentinel
well your hp is like 7.5m + IP you have
devestator is just must have
makes spec more fun and more fluid
storm slate
gotchya just wanted to make sure gotta work on my IP generation and maintenance then
heavy locust
Do tanks bother using aggrmar's conviction in raid? not on tank list guide. but its useful for helping other raid members proc their trinkets?
otherwise my options are shatug 960 + socketed dima's (just my offspec in raid so not buying dark moon)
undone sun
yes, especially at 1000 ilevel it has a lot of main stat
too much to pass up
just not the best defensive trinket for the personal benefits, reason why it's not really mentioned in depth on the google doc, procs aren't reliable in the slightest.
the static str helps our IP quite a bit
spark hamlet
Running Man and thunder as a main go to combo for just reg mythics and most m+ not running into a any issues would i be better with another combo set up? Or just stick with that
undone sun
bracers/belt is fine for most situations, especially for aoe but gloves would be better on ST and bracers aren't needed if the healing gained isn't needed
spark hamlet
Just did a upper 15 and i was self healing for over 178mil
heavy locust
thx thyme, i guess shatugs + agg's for general purpose? i tend to prefer some stamina 960 vs 945 dima's
and is 4 pc poop? i have some 975 i can use over 2 960 tier. not sure if worth
undone sun
4pc is very fight dependent, not great for general use if you have to sacrifice ilevel for but above average for fights with a lot of melees/tanking uptime
and trinkets depends on what you have, shatug is fine if you really need the extra EHP but otherwise it's also dependent of the fight, fharg usually comes out ahead as well for offensive purposes
@spark hamlet how much overhealing did it do
heavy locust
i just figure extra HP helps me since idont tank much..... mostly LFR aggramar lol! 975 with current gear. only time i tank is M PK
undone sun
hp isn't the determining factor for a tank, as prot warrior we have the lowest raw stamina but pull ahead others with our EHP
heavy locust
ya for sure
wooden yew
Are many of you still running T20 4pc? Is there a tipping point to migrate to just T21 2pc and situationally use 4pc depending on fight? Coming back to prot warrior after a long break and trying to get a sense of all the current info.
heavy locust
i dont do toooo much tank theorycrafting. didnt know str increase IP lol. otherwise i was just looking at small amounts of parry
spark hamlet
@undone sun way too much my healer was complaining
undone sun
definitely might feel safer but realistically it wont always be safer, mostly just turn into a mana sponge for healers.... one of the bigger reasons we don't take indom
heavy locust
i read in the guide once you get heroic ish tier i think or maybe was mythic.... the 4 pc t20 and 2 pc 21 isnt worth
undone sun
correct
my raid's Hpala complains i don't take enough damage directly to my HP, my raids rdruid complains i heal snipe too much with insp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
heavy locust
i mostly tank on my monk since it seems more interesting and novel
wooden yew
Thanks!
spark hamlet
I should of worked on my t20 but have 4pc 21 Titan forged
undone sun
it's likely not worth putting the effort into farming
heavy locust
hehe did a 22.... have a 23 in my bags where it will stay
undone sun
68 deaths 👀
junior ivy
its the exact same group of people that did my 3 hour 21 seat last month
spark hamlet
I feel like a scrub I don’t go past 15 keys 😦
junior ivy
we gave up
cinder pasture
Stop tormenting yourself like this cat 😟
primal crypt
.....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
exotic spoke
Yeah, I don't do past a 19 or so. I tend to just sell keys and do a little pushing when necessary to get a good key before dropping it back down
exotic spoke
They do, the healer I run with has a 3200 rating and we make her post the group lol
I find it funny when someone asks for specific dungeons to up their IO score. It's not like it won't be obvious that you were carried when you get into a group
languid rose
other prot in this pug has 2 ilvls on me and is doing half my damage, plz send help
signal plover
He's prolly running indom
exotic spoke
^^ probably.
languid rose
class ring and leap shoulders
signal plover
Could be new alt...but ITF is inexcusable
languid rose
971
signal plover
Jesus
languid rose
and his parses are as prot, not offpsec
signal plover
These are the ppl blizz listens to for feedback
Is he at least running AM?
(plz not ravager)
exotic spoke
What's the dps?
languid rose
last pull was a wipe so can't really judge on that but on the bridge to kin'garoth he did 790k when somebody face pulled a second group (4 targets plus he has into the fray), i was doing 2.05m
while running to get green circles
obsidian siren
The problem is a majority of people play prot war like I play my prot pally: they have no fucking clue what they're doing
exotic spoke
If I'm doing 790k single target it's a very bad day 😦
obsidian siren
You could prolly do 800k on aoe just by pressing thunder clap --'
sick sentinel
Yeah haha
signal plover
I think one of the issues is that if u Google how to play prot, only one of the 3 top results (wowhead guide) is accurate. So unless u rly dig deep or come to this discord, you're not going to know best path forward.
sick sentinel
Some german warri streamer thinks prydaz is the best leggy with bracers for survi
exotic spoke
That's cute. I mean he's wrong - but it's cute
sick sentinel
he even made a guide and showed his healing in dht 15 at trash why prydaz is so op for prot
he even progress aggrammar mythic with this
exotic spoke
Because at this point dht 15 is the cutting edge of mythic plus progression
sick sentinel
nah it was the key in his bag at this moment and made a clip there
he usually plays 21-22 in time with prydaz when he needs selfheal in trash...
exotic spoke
I don't even know where to begin. But yeah - it made me laugh at work and brightened my day
sick sentinel
and even when i tell him that he is a bit wrong and the prot discord will laugh at this. he still insists on his leggy meta
he is also playing shockwave and avatar in m+ even if meeles are in his group
exotic spoke
Why Jesus god why
sick sentinel
his trinkets are usually agrammas and i think that one out of arcway
exotic spoke
Chronoshard?
sick sentinel
na
that one every meele dps is farming as deff cd on high tyrannic keys
taht one which gives an absorb shield per meele attacks or something
and at some point he died this week in a 24 i think by only pulling trash and his mates said him he needed other trinkets so this will not happen again
so most of the trinktes were ok but i dont know what to think about riftworld codex. other classes seem to be better with this one. as warrior i dont see that it is that good
sick sentinel
testet it in 20ish keys and the healing done with lower than 10-12% does not convince me at all
summer wigeon
so for prot hidden, if i log out in the cave, I can just run the scripts right when I log in right? Dont have to leave the cave and run back in
languid rose
how does somebody demonstrate healing in a +15? "look! i'm hitting more overheal!" ?
summer wigeon
people dont die?
sick sentinel
he was alone in this dungeon to show his healing done
or hoiw long he can survive that idk 😄
prisma crane
thing that everyone has to look at
prydaz does do a lot of healing
but, it's not always there when you need it
so it's largely just healing pad
at the expense of a different, better legendary
undone sun
It's definitely good to pad hps meters, but that's about it
languid rose
it's also just pushing more of your IP into overheal
sick sentinel
i know and i have told him a couple of times but he keeps using it so i just keep watching him for entertainment
exotic spoke
The worst part it - people will listen to him and think it's good advice
errant wing
https://imgur.com/YAWsIlo not bad mythic cache i guess
undone sun
IP only over heals if you let it run out and don't press it for however long the duration is
plain ice
da fk lol
waxen talon
i used to have a addon showin enemy hp bars being aggroed in green