protection

[mossy narwhal]

:D

[restive scroll]

Nor pets*

[silk mortar]

Well

[mossy narwhal]

Was thinking about aggaramars stride for a little speed boost but resisting the temptation

I think it's fun to play tbh. Just hoping i don't mess up too badly but live and learn :)

[restive scroll]

In a week or two you'll just say "damn those groups are bad"

:p

It's not that hard, don't worry

[mossy narwhal]

Haha :)

Thanks for the help guys! I'll be back with feedback :D

[restive scroll]

Enjoy

[wooden lark]

for M+ do you prefer shockwave or warbringer?

[unborn island]

Warbringer

although if you have no melee/pets you need to play SW

[rare spoke]

can you spell reflect ymirons dark slash in mos?

[timid jay]

Yes

Theres a pinned spreadsheet that has everything reflectable in dungeons

[rare spoke]

k nice to know had a bit of strugle to survive in +19 and tyrannical

[restive scroll]

Is the darkmoon deck still kinda relevant for warrior ? (high MM+, i don't raid)

[silk mortar]

Pretty much need leggo legs for ymiron

[arctic sedge]

when would you need the leggo legs for him? 20+, or?

[restive scroll]

18+, makes him trivial

22+ you have to think a lot more of CD rotation even with legs

at least in fortified

guess it'll be a bit lower for tyra

[undone sun]

You need legs to reflect every hit and the amount of damage you reflect is greater than the damage you can bring with other legos

Any boss where I recommend legs in the spreadsheet are for that reason

@arctic sedge

[restive scroll]

(You can't reflect everyone of them)

[undone sun]

Sure, the timing gets off the longer the fight

But legs guarantees a majority of them

[restive scroll]

Of course, i just wanted to be precise :3

[hasty sapphire]

which Dog trinket variant would be better for Argus Mythic? the armor one or the stam one?

[round hornet]

armor is nice if ur maintanking

but if you care about defensiveness you wouldn't use the dog trinket anyways

[sick sentinel]

I like fire eye because it helps me get better parses

And the extra armor is nice

Ideal @hasty sapphire u would be using Diima Trinket or Aggramar Trinket

[hasty sapphire]

Have neither of them :/

I have 980 dog, 935 cradle, 940 Memento and 970 Codex

[deft sapphire]

Use the dog trinket in armor mode for the most part

If you wanna minmax you can change to Stam/vers when you wanna soak soulbursts in p2 but it’s not a big deal

[hasty sapphire]

Will do. Thank you

[restive scroll]

Is the darkmoon deck still kinda relevant for warrior ? (high MM+, i don't raid)

[undone sun]

Depends more on the options you have

It itself hasn't been nerfed so the value hasn't gone down for consistent armor mitigation but at a certain point others just become better

[restive scroll]

Thank you, i'll see if i end up using it

[graceful sundial]

Hey guys. Finally we reached Argus M and we plan to begin our progress on next friday. Which leg combo is best por progression?

[undone sun]

Gloves/bracers/belt and only legs if you're not main tank collecting orbs

It's mostly about cd management than consistent damage, imo gloves/belt have more value than bracers but still useful

[sick sentinel]

either you survive or get destroyed lol

[undone sun]

Pretty much, it's very bursty rather than consistent

[graceful sundial]

well I had The Walls Fell in mind, maybe it's not necessary

[undone sun]

Rarely do you need to use SW on CD, i used it for prog as a safeguard but stopped after

My 7 kills

[graceful sundial]

yeah you also dropped Writhing.

[undone sun]

Yeah, i used it because it had avoidance

[signal plover]

Scythe in P1 is weird timing-wise and gets interrupted by a number of different abilities in weird ways that will take some time to learn. Legs help cover that with the extra SB

More reliable timer in P2 and P3 is pretty much the exact same every time.

[graceful sundial]

btw I'm worried about avoidance. Currently I have 0 avoidance on my warrior, but some of my other tank alts got some lol

[junior ivy]

do you guys do the argus weekly quests every weejk

[restive scroll]

yeup, only cristal farm i do, in hope to get some trinket that don't exist otherwise

[junior ivy]

im looking for an excuse not to do it

lol

casue it's boring and i hate it

[restive scroll]

it's pretty quick, but there's no need to do it anyway

[round hornet]

I don't do it on my geared toons, sincec I got the legendaries and stuff already anyways

[lyric jackal]

man its not lookin hopeful for BFA prot 😦

[final mist]

Changes are coming.

[round hornet]

blizz said that the yarent done with frostdk/uhdk/ and prot war

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20762217984?page=1#4

@lyric jackal prolly best to hold off on judgments till then

[lyric jackal]

True

I’m not expecting a big change though...guess we can only wait and see

[royal monolith]

930 haste statstick vs 960 horn of valor ?

st

[stark sage]

offensively? most likely the horn

but you can sim it

[royal monolith]

sims works for prot warr now?

[undone sun]

Yes

[royal monolith]

boi

[restive scroll]

Think that the horn will be great for short windows of burst anyway (curator..)

[royal monolith]

dont play warr that much so didnt know

[undone sun]

Exactly what the pins are for 😉

[royal monolith]

[ember arrow]

ive been here for like 9 months and i still dont know what the skyhold emote is supposed to mean

[stark sage]

[undone sun]

On mobile skyhold constantly went offline and showed the server offline icon in it's place

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I know

Gets annoying sometimes

[ember arrow]

for me it didnt go off, my phone just froze

been working for like few months now

[dark junco]

#rip Just got declined into a Mythic raiding guild, done 4 guilds . I’ stuck at 5/11. So feel like im done raiding till bfa

They already had their tank and stopped recruiting 😦

[ember arrow]

hey me too 2 weeks ago

same reaction as u

[dark junco]

All the mythic guild I went into stopped raiding

I wanted a 9 or 10/11, guess I wont get it

[royal monolith]

you will have a hard time getting into 10/11 with only 5/11 im afraid

[ember arrow]

and prot warrior*

[royal monolith]

or what is 10/11 world rank right now

prot warr aint bad are they ? :p

[dusk locust]

it's not impossible, we're 9/11 and some of our better performers came on recently at like 2/11

[ember arrow]

tell that to 90% of people

[dark junco]

I’m mean I’m really really good as prot and I’m not a dumbshit, but its mainly finding a mythic guild that still raid

[dusk locust]

i think it's being a tank that makes it hardest

[dark junco]

^

[dusk locust]

far easier to find a guild as a dps

[stark sage]

you will have a hard time finding a guild ahead of your prog willing to take you

[dusk locust]

there's plenty of burn-out you can take advantage of too. especially this late in the tier people just vanish from the roster

[ember arrow]

so u must have 9 kills to be able to join a guild that can kill 9 bosses

ok

[dusk locust]

i mean imo if a dps comes to me with great heroic logs, maybe like 3/11, and a good attitude, i'd be like sure let's trial

[stark sage]

not the same story for a tank

[dusk locust]

yeah not for tank

[dark junco]

Sadly

[dusk locust]

tank is very difficult

[dark junco]

Got like 95+ logs as tank

Cant get a spot

[ember arrow]

tanking is like

piss easy

[dusk locust]

especially since plenty of dps has a passable tank offspec

[ember arrow]

3 pulls and u can fall asleep while guild wipes

thats how my m raids went

[stark sage]

yeah its easy, but most guilds that are still progging or still raiding have the tank slots already locked in

[dusk locust]

we have dps rotate in as tank sometimes when one of the main tanks has to be out and have very little problem with it

[prisma crane]

it depends entirely on well you can illustrate that you're willing and able to quickly pick up the strats they are used to so that you can seamlessly fill in for their previous tank

[dark junco]

Worst thing is that some guild do bad strats

Like clearing mines on p2 imonar, thats like really not necessary

[prisma crane]

if those bad strats kill teh boss though, you gotta do it

sure, but it's not a bad strat

and it works for some guilds

i still do it

[dusk locust]

clearing mines is what helped us kill imonar

worked far better for us than not

[prisma crane]

i still do it in full dps gear and parse well

[dark junco]

Put so much strain on healers, they kept going oom

[prisma crane]

thing is, they killed it that way, and their raiders are used to it, so you have to be able to do that

[dusk locust]

the altnernative was dps stacking and moving properly

it just wasn't happening for us

[prisma crane]

if it's taxing healers that badly, then the tanks are doing something wrong

[dark junco]

They didn’t kill it and were unwilling to change strat

So everyone gave up

[dusk locust]

how many healers

[dark junco]

4

[prisma crane]

imonar is deceptively easy to have raid damage higher than needed

we use 5

[dusk locust]

hell we use 6

[dark junco]

Was prob that then

[prisma crane]

we used 6 for our first couple kills, yea

[dusk locust]

yeah

4 is very few

unless it's on powerfarm status

[prisma crane]

less heals also means potential dispel issues while crossing the bridge too

[dark junco]

We didn’t get a kill

[dusk locust]

first kill i'd 100% recommend 6

[prisma crane]

yea, minimum 5

[dusk locust]

yeah

[dark junco]

Yeah, might’ve done it, but there was too many mistakes ‘bout everywhere.

[dusk locust]

people gotta dodge orbs and move out with the lasers, get out with sleeps.. there's a lot to do

[dusky sedge]

https://www.dvsgaming.org/world-of-warcraft-warrior-tanking-guide/ hope this was meant as a joke

[trim sphinx]

seems legit to me

[undone sun]

🤔

Their twitter and FB links aren't even active

[timid jay]

Nice build

[stark sage]

ive seen that build in game before

[undone sun]

The talent given by level 45 and 75 are personal preference, as all of them are self-help.

[stark sage]

[timid jay]

🤔

[dark junco]

oO

June 28, 2017

[sonic roost]

tank health is personal preference

[undone sun]

Yeah, it's a bit out dated but even at the time

Nowhere near correct

[stark sage]

i like their tank classifications

aoe / tab target / intercept

[fathom sundial]

is this good at all?

[undone sun]

No

[cinder pasture]

noo

[dark junco]

No

[signal plover]

But wait

Still no

[fathom sundial]

would 1 vers 1 mast stat stick be better than 2 vers sticks or and eye of command?

[stark sage]

are they all equal ilvl

[dark junco]

missing level of the trinkets you're talking about

[fathom sundial]

1 vers stick is 925

all the others are 915

[stark sage]

id use the 925 + 915 mastery stick

[fathom sundial]

sorry probably should have initially included that lmao

alright thank you 😄

[stark sage]

do you not have the pantheon trinket

or really any raiding trinkets

[prisma crane]

straight from that website... Survival tank: choice of anger management, or heavy repercussions. Damage tank: Ravager

[ember arrow]

AVATAR + BC + RAVAGER

AOE DPS

300k over 6 seconds

profit

[round hornet]

they have into the fray 2

[ember arrow]

indom, into the fray sound good

on paper

[alpine cave]

How does a 915 arcano compare agains a 945 Diima for M+ as prot?

[undone sun]

It doesn't, diimas is much better

[alpine cave]

Diima and conviction for M+?

[jade holly]

For trash

Momento/chrono/Stat stick/ Def trinket for bosses.

[edgy mango]

just got the hands leggo

wee

[prisma crane]

honestly, unless your stat stick is huge, at this point there are a lot of better alternatives

[alpine cave]

its a 915, but diimas is very stronk for trash at least, just not sure about conviction for M+

[stark sage]

conviction is solid just for the huge str it has

[alpine cave]

Any thoughts on majordomo dinner bell, in 955 ilvl? Over 5k stam, with almost 8k secondary stat on demand

[undone sun]

If you need the stam it's fine, otherwise unnecessary

[restive scroll]

Don't know, personnaly prefer the HoV Horn for a burst

[alpine cave]

Have to mess around alittle, been playing too much DK on M+ lately thought it was necrotic this week, just saw it wasnt

[prisma crane]

oh btw, i got a 985 tier chest last night, finally got something over 970 after my Diima's

hit that phat 976 equipped

[undone sun]

Nice

[restive scroll]

Neat

[prisma crane]

still under 10m hp though

955 pants and 950 ring not helping

[restive scroll]

they'll proc some days, don't worry :)

[prisma crane]

we got a 965 diima's with avoidance to drop last night

[sturdy willow]

thyme gets all the things, not sure why but he does

[prisma crane]

i have a 975 and the other tank has a 965, so i just let her have it since i have 3x MoS and don't care that much about the avoidance atm

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Luck

[prisma crane]

Karma for his help

[sturdy willow]

if you played with him, youd rethink that

[undone sun]

Hmmm

[prisma crane]

981.3 ffs

[undone sun]

Look who's talking

[sturdy willow]

i know

and im slightly higher then u lol

[prisma crane]

im 978 MAX equipped

we only have like 6 paladins

and had 3 DKs

and Had 3 warriors other than me

[sturdy willow]

meanwhile zeph is like "when do i get nice things"

[warm plinth]

Oh someone else discovered the "joy" of dvsgaming I see 😂

[undone sun]

Still fuck my haste though

[sick sentinel]

fuck your gear

[sturdy willow]

still cant believe u dont have a better trinket

[undone sun]

It sims well

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma crane]

your mastery isnt even great, wtf, oodles of vers though

[sick sentinel]

at least you dont have amanthuls

haha

[undone sun]

Lol yeah

[sturdy willow]

how do u not have a 960 dogs trinket lol

[undone sun]

Didn't realized it simmed so well till relatively recently

And the last one to drop was a while ago and i passed it up

[restive scroll]

indeed, that' s not much hast

[sick sentinel]

your rings are really high versa mastery

[undone sun]

Yeah

970 is verse/haste

[sick sentinel]

full STR gear and still having really high versa and mastery is good

[sturdy willow]

something about the verse/mast argus ring, we get all of them TF'd in our raid

[sick sentinel]

%15 versa without and stat stick is crazy imo

[prisma crane]

i have high mastery, and decent haste

[sturdy willow]

seen 2 985's drop both from heroic

a rogue has 1 and i forget who got the other

[prisma crane]

lie 76% mastery in my normal gear...

like*

[sick sentinel]

woaw

[prisma crane]

RNJesus saves me sometimes when i dont have SB up and foe breaker meets my face

[undone sun]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

you just did meme build without wanting it

[prisma crane]

that and sometimes when i space out in P1 argus i get 3 scythe hits and dont even notice

yea my meme build has 102% mastery atm

no T19

[undone sun]

Lol

Wow

[sturdy willow]

thyme, explain to me why i dont have to leave until 430 today? then i wont get home till after midnight

[prisma crane]

but it's like 19% haste

and 20+ crit

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive scroll]

Btw, how do you get all the stats? They just pop dynamicly for me

[prisma crane]

my NLC says out of date on raidbots, i havent changed a relic in easily 5 wks +

[undone sun]

Dejacharacterstats

[restive scroll]

Addon then?

[undone sun]

Yeah

[prisma crane]

but i'll take it for now

[restive scroll]

Great, thank you

[undone sun]

Also, yeah i definitely could use more haste https://i.imgur.com/StPqpah.png

But still sims higher than 935 haste stick ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

btw are we sure about pantheon tank trinket having more value for dps then amanthuls

[timid jay]

Wiping on p1 argus

💩

[sick sentinel]

lol

[timid jay]

5% health nerf turned out to be a buff to the boss

[undone sun]

Same

[prisma crane]

in ABT aman is better, but barely, outside of raids, Agg's is better Roac

it's like a 20k difference i think

[undone sun]

@timid jay

[sick sentinel]

hmmm maybe its more stats makes spec feels better

yeah around 20k

[lime silo]

can someone look over our logs and tell me how are prot war can improve?

[undone sun]

Last night

[sick sentinel]

link we can check i guess

[sturdy willow]

shudders

[prisma crane]

@undone sun

[lime silo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Hv8PfBwhGcR7AVnK/#boss=2073&difficulty=4&wipes=1&type=summary

[robust lance]

Quick question. Does spell reflect do anything to argus scythe? It's physical damage so I'm presuming not.

[undone sun]

Does not

[robust lance]

k thanks

[undone sun]

Talent off of ITF @lime silo

[sick sentinel]

tell him not to use into the fray

[timid jay]

@undone sun

[sick sentinel]

and block melee attacks more only %48 blocked isnt high

[prisma crane]

there's moments when various raid aoe goes off when he's about to scythe, you'll learn them @robust lance and using SR will keep you with more IP left so it's still good to use here and there

you guys struggling when you don't lust P1?

[undone sun]

Yeah okay, these logs were posted yesterday and i already gave advice

Thyme

Should definitely start out talenting off of into the fray and into Booming Voice
Maybe better trinket options, fabricator is quite bad for prot
General rotational issues as well, not just t21 2pc but just lots of down time
ideally with 2pc you have these Shield slam burst windows where you press nothing else(that's on the GCD) other than Shield slam to generate rage and do loads of damage, obviously you also don't want to rage cap so you'll be pressing Ignore pain just about as often as possible as well.

in #protection · Apr 24, 2018, 5:20 PM

Thyme

Lot of wasted rage too, that can be a result of not doing the rotation properly as well, not pressing IP and/or revenge enough
Block uptime is more than acceptable so that's not an issue so it seems like it's rotational and CD management issues @wicked snow
Alright, doesn't change that they're blockable nor melees @ember arrow

in #protection · Apr 24, 2018, 5:30 PM

[sick sentinel]

and tell him to delete that macro he use

with shout battlecry and reflect

the fuck is that macro

make him keep reflect up for high magic damage he will take

[lime silo]

i didnt know my guild already asked you guys

[dark junco]

shout + bc ok, but Reflect no

[lime silo]

sorry about that

[prisma crane]

also, 5 of those 12 deaths of his were to army or darkness, completely avoidable

[sick sentinel]

like fiery strike after 3rd strike he can easily mitigate it with reflect

[prisma crane]

it's ok @lime silo at least people are looking to improve

[sick sentinel]

he is using blocks so fast so its also bad its making him vulnerable for melee

even tho coven is not a fight where melee will hurt you alot but he can also improve on that

because aggramar melee hurts

[prisma crane]

honestly, for me, it's his reach that hurts more than his melee

[sick sentinel]

yeah but when you have highest block uptime you take the damage less

[prisma crane]

maybe im just retarded when not tanking, and mildly enlightened when actively tanking

[sick sentinel]

at least for block-wise aggra is more important then coven

[undone sun]

What is this.... not tanking aggramar

[prisma crane]

agreed

and yea, coven is way more on SR usage and positioning than anything else imo

and making sure to build rage for IP

[sick sentinel]

also how big is the nerf for aggramar we are progressing on it even tho tank damage isnt nerfed overall fight is nerfed

[undone sun]

Fight is pretty much a joke noe

[sick sentinel]

lol

[prisma crane]

well

for a new guild, it'll still take some work but

it's way more forgiving

[undone sun]

Indeed

[prisma crane]

dont have to be precise with which adds grip in

[sick sentinel]

we progressed around 3 days already saw all intermissions

[prisma crane]

dont have to worry if 1-2 ppl arent in the rend

[sick sentinel]

and grip was the only issue now its not anymore

adds energy problem is gone

[prisma crane]

well that whole fight is the last phase, first 2 and intermissions arent hard

intermissions just a dps check

and with 5% less HP, last phase feels.... less hectic?

since adding 5% to P2 is basically target dummy time at that moment

and buffer room for guilds with really high dps i'd imagine

[timid jay]

We went for the strat where you ignore the last adds

Just BL and burn boss

[undone sun]

Yeah, looks fun https://gfycat.com/AcademicScrawnyHoverfly

[timid jay]

Oh

Look at that hero leap out

[undone sun]

Lol

[prisma crane]

imagine if he walked off the edge there

what're the odds you think?

[timid jay]

It was during technique as well

[prisma crane]

🤔

[undone sun]

😓

[timid jay]

Perfectly executed 💩

[prisma crane]

lol

[lean hedge]

!enter sadman

!play enter sadman

[winged marsh]

😦

[wooden lark]

how to deal with first boss in MoS as prot warrior in semi-high mythic+ (like 15+)?

[round hornet]

spell reflect

[wooden lark]

one of his abilities, cant remember which hits like a truck

[round hornet]

if u have pants u reflect almost all of em

[wooden lark]

can only spell reflect one and then the next one comes before its up again and hits for like 8 mil

[stark sage]

shield wall

[wooden lark]

hmm fair just its difficult with this tyrannical affix

[winged marsh]

just keep juggling cds

[round hornet]

yeah if you dont have pants legendary then you can always use other defensives and ask externals

[winged marsh]

call for externals when your out

[stark sage]

without the legs you can mitigate 1 with SR, 1 with SW, and 1 with DS + LS

[round hornet]

but with pants you get another charge of SR making it not bad at all

[winged marsh]

with AM you should have shield wall back up early

[wooden lark]

hmm fair enough

[round hornet]

can also have a pet taunt eat it

[wooden lark]

looks as if just getting leggo legs just nullifies the fight tho

[stark sage]

makes the juggling aspect null

yeah

but its doable without them

[wooden lark]

heavy repercussions vs anger management with 2 set?

[winged marsh]

AM

[wooden lark]

if below 30% haste too?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[winged marsh]

yes,

you build a lot of rage with the 2 set

dumping it constantly with AM makes it extremely strong

[wooden lark]

kk gotcha

[timid jay]

Protslouch soon?

🤔

[stark sage]

🤔

[winged marsh]

Gonna have to see what replacement to IP there is

LUL

Also I learned everything about prot from you

[wooden lark]

anyone have high geared alts that aren't prot warrior? - if so how does warrior rate as a tank when comparing?

[ember arrow]

i got dk and zzzz (bear)

what exactly are u asking

compared to what?

[wooden lark]

ease of tanking, do you feel like you can be oneshot easily.. as with prot warr i feel like its quite easy to be oneshot sometimes

[ember arrow]

if u know what thigns do and use appropriate stuff, u wont be below 90%

if u dont know tacs it can happen

but ye, its possible to get oneshot, only in those cases. on dk u use purgatory if ur afraid of oneshots so that doesnt really happen

bear cant really be oneshot at all unless its some insane magic dmg and u forget to use 66% DR

[timid jay]

I have DK and prot pala

Prot pala is similar

BDK is pretty hard getting oneshot as

[ember arrow]

i often get myself to 0 on dk

to heal to 100

on purpose

[wooden lark]

so im guessing dk and druid are the best tank classes just now?

and warrior not so much

[ember arrow]

depends what ur lookin for, with knowledge of mechanics u wont be below 90% hp

dk anc bears can be spiky

bears dont have good self heal, at least not comparative to wrists warrior or dk

for raiding, it doesnt matter, but for m+ dk has best utility by far

ifu could give example what oneshots u

the answer is probably "use SB" 80% of time

[prisma crane]

basically

the skill floor for warriors and paladins is higher than the other 4

punishingly so

[ember arrow]

bears skill ceiling is same height as dog turds 😛

[prisma crane]

but that doesnt make us bad, you just have to plan ahead rather than react

[wooden lark]

well for example, i havent played the SoT dungeon enough to know what the enemy spells do, but the adds at the start of that dungeon on like M+15 seemed to destroy me even with all my defensives popped

[ember arrow]

thats the mistake

[prisma crane]

i did say skill floor though Lev

[ember arrow]

"i havent played the SoT dungeon enough to know what the enemy spells do"

[prisma crane]

All tanks have that problem there

[ember arrow]

thats step 1 of gettign oneshot on prot war

[prisma crane]

you have to use what you have

[ember arrow]

u can reflect the blasts on first adds for exdaample

[prisma crane]

meanwhile, you time stuns and spell reflect well and we may be the best for that trash pull specifically

[ember arrow]

take 0 dmg, and do tons while debuffing enemies

[wooden lark]

even small pull though i would presume that with everything popped there isn't much else i can do to survive

even if i don't know the enemy abilities

[prisma crane]

use spell reflect

[ember arrow]

depends what u use

[prisma crane]

and you take no dmg

[ember arrow]

SR alone is more useful than :S and SW

in that case

LS*

[prisma crane]

but like, that's knowledge of the dungeons, you cant yolo them all

[wooden lark]

hmm i need to get those legendary leggings

[ember arrow]

i do have hard time believing u got oneshot wit all cds

on small trashpull on tyranical

[prisma crane]

those mobs hit hard and put a stacking debuff up that increases your dmg taken

[ember arrow]

i can tank ridiculous stuff wit all cds up

[prisma crane]

teeming with those mobs

[wooden lark]

well im 947 so im not massively geared

[prisma crane]

and you may die still, since if you pull extra you get the heal reduction debuff as well

[ember arrow]

but ye, use reflect, stun otherwise, use SW/LS liberally

whats ur talent setup aidan?

[wooden lark]

warbringer, inspiring presence, renewed fury, bounding stride, devastator, booming voice, AM

[pure abyss]

I've got all 6 tanks at 965+. I only raid mythic on the warrior. The rest do heroic + weekly 15-20s. They all handle things a bit differently.

[ember arrow]

good no indom or HR

[pure abyss]

When I'm not on the warrior, the first thing I miss is spell reflect.

[wooden lark]

hmm i should probably start using it a lot more then

[ember arrow]

nooo

ohh

u mean SR

[wooden lark]

yeah

[ember arrow]

dont se indom or HR

😛

[wooden lark]

wish we could have indomitable and devastator at the same time

[prisma crane]

i'd rather have AM and HR together

[ember arrow]

^

[prisma crane]

indom really does very little if you have block up when you need it

[pure abyss]

^

[ember arrow]

20% bonus hp means nothing if ur 90% all the time

[wooden lark]

yeah but i like seeing a big health number xD

[prisma crane]

and with AM and HR i could have less dmg taken while also doing about 15% more dps

[ember arrow]

another one

hp numbers

hp doesnt determine effectiveness of tanks

[prisma crane]

yea but how many of those other tanks have an absorb nearly always up to boost their EHP

and, doesnt require healers to top back off

[wooden lark]

i hope not, i see some druid with like 13.5m hp

[prisma crane]

i can get up to around 8m IP in raid with some procs

[wooden lark]

whereas i have 7.8m

[ember arrow]

krotos

time to dive into my screenshots

[prisma crane]

my 9.9m hp plus that 8m IP is 17.9m EHP

[pure abyss]

HP and EHP are different

[ember arrow]

@wooden lark

no hp huh? 🤔

[pure abyss]

Prot warriors, especially using devastator, are EHP tanks

[wooden lark]

how do you get it that high, i can't seem to get mine above 5m

[ember arrow]

concordance + dragon scales

times 3

[prisma crane]

gear is part of it, since it's based on STR

and procs

[ember arrow]

5 million is ur hp though

[prisma crane]

my average cap is around 7m

[ember arrow]

so ur hp isnt 7.8

its 13mil

IP is literally effective health

[prisma crane]

well, assuming IP is up, but yea

[ember arrow]

warrior at 100% without IP is at 60%

[prisma crane]

you won't always have it, but that's when using CDs and SB properly comes into place

[wooden lark]

what ilvl are you both?

[ember arrow]

969

[prisma crane]

976

dont use that as an excuse though

[ember arrow]

^

[prisma crane]

at 985 i could die to that SoT trash if i didnt know the place

[wooden lark]

yeah im not im just intrigued

[prisma crane]

as could nearly any tank

yea, i was just saying, since plenty think it's mostly gear

[ember arrow]

@wooden lark things like this, u either use appropriate stuff or get oneshot

[wooden lark]

jesus

[prisma crane]

here, this is relevant

950

[ember arrow]

i did something similar when it came out

was around 945 probably

[prisma crane]

and that's nothing special, but it's not bad, i actually like the place because it shows when you get familiar with it

[ember arrow]

now that i know it its jsut another dun

first it was bane of my existence

[wooden lark]

fair enough, i've only done it once so should probably start on a lower key

[ember arrow]

ye that would be wise

or watch soem guides

dont forget the pins, especially reflectable sheet

Spell Reflection/Blockable Damage Sheet: https://goo.gl/xtfCfX

also any "bolt" spell on adds is also reflectable, like the trash in seat

[wooden lark]

kk

[ember arrow]

another fun example is this. although others beat it, i got it here 😛

[wooden lark]

how do you block that much?

[ember arrow]

use artifact

on second foebreaker

[wooden lark]

so how much more damage does a critical block stop?

like percentage wise

[ember arrow]

depends

[sick sentinel]

%88 if you have 7/7 bastion relic

[ember arrow]

how many bastion of the aspects traits u got

i got 7, so its 88% for me

[wooden lark]

if i go into my character panel it says i block 33% of damage with a block

ehm i dont think i have any

ohhh

sorry

i've got 4 i believe

[ember arrow]

and critblocks block double the amount of dmg u block wit normal block

critblock chance is equal to mastery%

[wooden lark]

so when u blocked the 50 mill there, did you tank it 2x in a row?

[ember arrow]

however, when artifact is channeling, u got 100% chance to critblock

yes

[wooden lark]

i see

[ember arrow]

artifact is basically used to either fill gaps in SB, or to block blockable abilities

its either meh

or extremely strong

[latent hollow]

just wondering if anybody is still using 2/4p t20 with 2p t21, or is everyone now just only using 2p t21

and goin in favor of higher ilvl for other pieces

[ember arrow]

if u got items more than 25 ilvls above t20 switch tothat

t21 2p is a must

[latent hollow]

yeah of course

[ember arrow]

4p is pty good defensively but i wudnt go out of my way to equip it

[latent hollow]

yeah i only use 4p t20 for mythic imonar, every other fight i go 2p t20 + 2p t21

[ember arrow]

2p t20 alone isnt taht good

id say, use t21 2p and offpieces

[latent hollow]

hummm, i'll give that a try

so if i go that route then there's really no point in taking warlord's challenge

[ember arrow]

its pty good for skittish, but we do enough dps to generally not need it

that talent is personal choice anyway

talent row**

the speed up on taunt can be handy too

move bosses/adds faster

[latent hollow]

true

[ember arrow]

spam taunt 4 melee adds and they run at +50% speed to u

[slim verge]

Starting proggressions on mythic argus. Any special legos particularly good, or just the usual?

[signal plover]

Use legs for safety blanket if ur shit like me :)

They also help with ball soaking in P3

But not rly required

Just b rdy for some scythe fuckery in P1 while u learn the weird timings.

[timid jay]

If youre ball soaker for p3 the definitely legs

Otherwise its pretty much the basics just

[merry cave]

Did the 5% nerf change that fight a lot? We aren't quite there yet

[signal plover]

It made P1 dps check more consistent for us and gives more room for error in first 2 phases

Some guilds are now also apparently able to hold hero until P3 and just use it to push there.

[sage sphinx]

Can someone tell me what to type to instantly pick up the adds on aggramar and Argus?

[timid jay]

What

[sage sphinx]

How do you instantly pick up the adds on p3 Argus before they melee other people

Using a /target command yes?

[timid jay]

Personally I dont

My cotank generally wants the sword dude so he tells me to taunt the dagger guy

I just keep my camera so I can see all the adds and when they grow big I find the dagger guy and leap + taunt

[sage sphinx]

So how do you instantly pick him up? You don’t click him right?

[merry cave]

I just be lazy and stand in the middle heroic throwing like a champion

[timid jay]

I do

I left click target and leap + taunt

[merry cave]

Then watch timer for spawn and just not be slow

[timid jay]

Works for me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sage sphinx]

I’m having a hard time when they switch

[merry cave]

They don't hit for a few seconds

[sage sphinx]

I can’t find them

Until someone di es

Dies

And I get yelled at

For not picking it up fast enough

[merry cave]

Zoom out to max? Watch your timer so your ready a few seconds early

[timid jay]

Dont think any target macros work since they have the same name iirc

[merry cave]

Maybe your reaction times are just a bit slow.

And you'll just have to live with a death

[timid jay]

Having 1 or 2 deaths there isnt a big deal anyway since you're all dying soon anyway

Sucks sure, but they cant win em all

[jade holly]

They get big like 1-2 seconds before they become active

[merry cave]

Max zoom and timer watch are the only real hints though, there's no big tricks to it or cheesy ways. Just gotta be ready for it and taunt/charge asap

[jade holly]

Just have to pay attention

[merry cave]

We normally stack them anyway so 3-4 at least are dead before second wave so not many options left

[lapis topaz]

I’ve only done the fight on normal, but I think it was the Darkmech video guide that said that threat transfers, so you can try to throw at as many as possible and hope you get some threat on the right ones? 🤷‍♂️

[merry cave]

Those sweet sweet torment the weak proxs from throw axe 😍

[timid jay]

YEah thats possible Encoded

Its just a buff they get

So any threat you had on them still applies

[dark junco]

I usually stand onto the melee add, and heroic leap taunt midair the add I wanna grab., then intervene back to stack on melee add

@sage sphinx

[sinful vortex]

is there a dps guide for prot?

3rd tanking argus since ours is out and we are mainly doing p1 still

[timid jay]

Not a specific guide for dps

Spending most of your rage into revenges and making sure you have SB up for BC is pretty much it

Outside of the standard rotation

[sinful vortex]

SB helps SS dmg?

o shit eh

[timid jay]

30%

[prisma crane]

30% base 60% with HR

[timid jay]

3rd tank on argus with HR

😰

[prisma crane]

3rd tanking argus in P1 means you do nothing

[sinful vortex]

ye

im just smacking

[prisma crane]

3rd tank barely even does anything in P2

but yea

[timid jay]

I've seen some strange p1 strats

[sinful vortex]

i did 980k, is that decent

[prisma crane]

just go for dmg and escorting

it's alright

for perspective

[sinful vortex]

i wasnt using sb during bc

[prisma crane]

i've left P1 at 1.7

[timid jay]

Thats with tanking the boss though, some extra RFDT

[prisma crane]

yep

[timid jay]

And parry haste 😏

[prisma crane]

but harder to maintain buffs 😉

its why i use bounding stride for one

he can scythe, then i leap into raid for orb, then movement speed right back super speedy

[timid jay]

Thats how I do it as well

Generally for 2nd or 3rd orb I do that

[prisma crane]

yea

[sinful vortex]

should i try to keep up sb at all time just for SS dmg?

[prisma crane]

get fucked though if idiots put haste vers behind the other one...

[timid jay]

Thats MT worries though, not 3rd tank

[sinful vortex]

or just mainly in bc

[timid jay]

Mostly for BC

[prisma crane]

BC prio

[timid jay]

But keeping it not capped is also a dps increase

[prisma crane]

but up as often as you can if not tanking

[timid jay]

Just make sure you have it up for BC if you're aiming for damage

[sinful vortex]

yea

but then i may not always have rage for revenge

[timid jay]

Having a free GCD when you use BC and all that normal jazz as well

[sinful vortex]

ye ye i play fury i understand that

pop bc at the end of a gcd

[timid jay]

Its a bit of a balance act, depends a bit on your haste and how lucky you are with SS resets

[sinful vortex]

okay

have 25% atm

[upper spoke]

Blood Relic: 950 w/ +2% armor and bastion, or 965 w/ shatter the bones (increases critical strike chance of shield block during shield block) and bastion

[timid jay]

And the t2's?

[upper spoke]

so + 15 ilvls + shatter the bones - 2% armor

torment of the weak w/ the +2% armor and lights embrace w/ shatter the bones

before bastion, defensively ilvl > everything

well before NLC

[timid jay]

Either probably works tbh, can always sim it for offensive use

2% armor isnt that big

[prisma crane]

just useless as 3rd tank RIP

[sinful vortex]

just killed my raid

with my opener

XD

[upper spoke]

yeah and shatter is useless w/ battle cry active

[timid jay]

Overaggro?

[sinful vortex]

yea

ripped

using two bears

[timid jay]

oof

unluck

[sinful vortex]

lmao

[candid niche]

welcome to dpsing as prot 😛

i like to take little walks mid fight to let my aggro calm down a bit

[timid jay]

I even ripped from my BDK cotank today

Luckily it was during tortured rage cast but was a bit scary

[candid niche]

it supposed to be hard to do that to a BDK ?

i just have to pray that ss doesnt reset to often cause i tend to gorm out and continue hitting it

[timid jay]

It should be hard against any decent tank

[candid niche]

i guess they were focused more on survivability and all i was told before the fight was i get to be 3rd tank so gear for dps

[timid jay]

Fair, unless you're soaking big orbs you dont need that much survivability wise

Depends a bit on class I suppose

[candid niche]

yeah, had to reign in some of my gearing choices when we were getting to phase 2 and i was struggling with soaking with aggramar buff

i just really like 2+2 tier

[timid jay]

The agg trinket is amazing there

[candid niche]

wish i had it :/

[uneven mason]

Agg trinket is cheese

so much cheese

not DK levels of cheese, but close

[candid niche]

decided on the pantheon one and was trying the leggy til i got to the point where i couldnt be bothered and told them to replace me with the monk

[timid jay]

We use a DK with agg trinket to soak there

😏

[uneven mason]

Agg + Arch on a DK~ cheese wins the game

[candid niche]

just seemed to be struggling too much, shame i had no avoidance, didnt seem fair to have our progression be gimped because i had to hope i didn't get the buff cause it will be a real pain, especially after watching the bear take it as if it was nothing

[timid jay]

I pray every pull that I dont get it

😅

[candid niche]

i just feels bad to watch no one else struggle with it apart from me, i do like how scythes are easy peasy though, yay blocking !

[storm slate]

Torment the Weak or Refractive shell?

[sick sentinel]

torment the weak

[storm slate]

word ty

[wooden lark]

930 haste mastery wrists vs 945 crit versatility wrists?

[viscid furnace]

I feel like this is likely a stupid question but just got back into playing my warrior, is there any downside to using 20 rage vs 60 rage on ignore pain? like say if I was to always use it at 20 vs pooling to use at 60 I'm getting the same value right?

[undone sun]

Correct, IP scales linearly

[viscid furnace]

ok thanks, that's what I thought but a friend was telling me that's not how it worked

[undone sun]

@wooden lark 945

[prisma crane]

well

you'd get more value from a 60 rage one with a scales proc

but

with T21 you dont really have time to think about that

we have enough rage now where i'd consider it almost completely a passive

[cinder nova]

I haven't seen M Agg

Is he humbling?

[prisma crane]

no

he's boring

it's all on the BDK

that's it

and heals i guess

he's heroic for us with slightly different numbers

[undone sun]

Taking 24 stacks is fun though

Other than that nah

Could always try going for a double foe breaker

[prisma crane]

also, he does weird techniques, but takes like 5 pulls to get it

[verbal socket]

anyone having issues on argus?

likes hitting invisible ghosts/not actually in the avara buff

while u are standing in

avatar*

[undone sun]

We didn't have any problems when we killed it a couple hours ago but i'm hearing there's starting to be problems

[cinder nova]

Jesus

[undone sun]

Modules not spawning either

[cinder nova]

Getting the fucking coven to pop my AHR is like pulling teeth

[undone sun]

Seems like a bunch of bosses are bugged atm

Can't die from ruiner and orbs don't pop on king

[merry cave]

I have to go bdk alt for agg 👎 👎 👎

[cinder nova]

Just killed M kin

didn't have issues

[prisma crane]

i wish we had the argus P3 free kill bug, that'd have ended my night well

[minor prawn]

hey u guys im new to war tanking is 35% to much haste?

[undone sun]

No

[minor prawn]

thnx

[undone sun]

You cannot reach the point where it'll be too much

[minor prawn]

ok im stacking haste,mastery then vers is that right?

[undone sun]

Str>haste>master>=verse

Yes

[minor prawn]

thnx

[upper spoke]

975 vers/mastery ring or 945 mast/vers or 940 haste/mast

w/ rings, @ what point is ilvl > secondary stats

[undone sun]

~15-20 ilevels

[upper spoke]

975 sullied seal of pantheon over 945 loop of vitriolic intent?

i mean nbd either way

[verbal socket]

do only fear ppl get modules spawn on them now?

[undone sun]

No

[deft sapphire]

@upper spoke 975 ring will be far better

Oh I didn’t get the question, yeah I’d use it over the 940 ring

[tiny spear]

Hey guys. Anyone has some juicy info on what will replace IP?(I realise noone might have any, i just thought this would be themost likely place if any). I'm trying to decide what tank to play in BFA and i really want to get back to warrior tanking. I Just hope it wont be a heal

ah just realized there was a BFA prot discussion, sorry

[undone sun]

No one knows yet, most of the changes are and will be posted in #410902883165405214 when we get news

[orchid frigate]

any tip on an easy to get trinket? just started to tank and have mostly dps gear 😃

[restive scroll]

relinquished trinket ? there's no really easy way to get any, beside farming :/

[little storm]

I don't understand this with the Hidden Artifact, Is it spawned on a random day or something ?

[edgy mango]

It has a chance to spawn every day

[undone sun]

50/50 chance, either it spawns or it doesn't
enter the cave, use the macro, it if comes out false check again tomorrow

Repeat

[little storm]

Been trying for 5 days now :/ still no luck

[edgy mango]

took me ~3 weeks

:p

[undone sun]

I've seen it take some people months

[spice arrow]

When raiding mythic is the hc 4pc worth taking over mythic randoms?. Looking at it 291,000 extra ip doesn’t seem much when bosses hit so hard but is it actually better than it looks?

[unborn island]

Afaik at the same ilvl

It is actually very good

It's basically an extra 150k healsper second while tanking if a boss has a 2s swing timer

[craggy glacier]

@edgy mango wow I feel really bad now. I was just randomly in that cave and thought, maybe spec into prot and see if it is there (tried once months ago, never bothered to try again) it was there right then, got it in like 5 minutes :x

[edgy mango]

feelsbadman

[mild sinew]

Hey folks,
have to replace our prot paladin at argus mythic today.
P2 we do the TankSoakAllBombs tactics. Any strong ideas how to realize as warrior? its 1 big+2 small bombs->2 small bombs->1 big+2 small.

[left bloom]

die an honorable death on the first soak 😃

[sage sphinx]

So no reason to use 4 piece on the first 4 Mythic antorus bosses correct?

[undone sun]

Not true, entirely fight dependent

[sage sphinx]

Exactly, and the first 4 Mythic antorus bosses (garothi, hounds, command and eonar) there is no need correct?

[deft sapphire]

if you dont need survival then sure

i think hounds is a pretty good boss for 4p though, reasonable tank damage at some points and 100% tanking uptime

unless you waste your block when the boss channels for a year

[sage sphinx]

I’m looking at the top prot Warrior parses who parsed a 99. All of them are running 2 piece and gloves belt

[deft sapphire]

thats because the 4p doesn't contribute to dps

[undone sun]

Damage parses vs, a defensive set

[sage sphinx]

Also, how do you guys run Dilmas over apocalypse drive and still keep haste above 30% while using 4 piece?

[undone sun]

I don't

30% doesn't have any significance nor does haste have an weight over trinket choices

[sage sphinx]

What about the whole “30+% haste means more DPS means more rage means more survivability” argument that is beaten into us again and again on here?

[undone sun]

Have never seen that in this channel this patch

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sage sphinx]

So we don’t need 30% haste anymore?

[deft sapphire]

never did

[ember arrow]

@sage sphinx 30% haste is completely arbitrary number, it means nothing, and was never "beaten into us" on this channel

[dark junco]

Yo Levko wait

It was, but thats like a long time back

Was it like 7.1.5 or so?

Is that a Vulperan warrior?

[signal plover]

🤔

closes warr discord

[ember arrow]

<@&257983573498265600>

ez

[signal plover]

Thnx

[ember arrow]

@dark junco 30% haste was needed at start of legion to have 100% SB uptime with HR, but it was by no means necessary for us

hoping some valkyr wakes up

[dark junco]

Thanks couldn’t remember when it was

[ember arrow]

ye, it was never like "u must have 30% to be viable" like some people make it seenm

[grave grove]

🤔

[stray wedge]

Aw

[ember arrow]

thanks Val'Kyrs for cleansing this

[stray wedge]

I only just figured out how to ban someone on mobile

[dark junco]

Well that was the feel of it tho, whenever you posted any logs with sub 30 haste =p

[grave grove]

🔨

[stray wedge]

And then wadner got here

[ember arrow]

MY SUMMONS WORKED

[edgy mango]

Awh, I missed something 🙁

[dark junco]

Yeah, leaked Vulperans

[edgy mango]

🤔

[dark junco]

Kinda furries + troll post + spam of pictures.

[ember arrow]

the holy trinity

[signal plover]

opens warrior discord back up

[grim prism]

Anyone doing alpha shit

[signal plover]

O it's a balsaq

[grim prism]

Did they leave IP out of current build or are my friends just disabled

[signal plover]

IP has been out for a while

See #410902883165405214

[grim prism]

I see

[signal plover]

We're currently doing prayer circles and Macro is bringing orange slices for the cult sui....errr mass Ascension

[grim prism]

I dont want to worry about it too much because prelaunch is always a mess and people cry about it regardless

Saw a few different datamined tooltips for it and was just curious

[signal plover]

Yeh pretty much

They said changes are coming to prot warr soon

[grim prism]

I guess this is the wrong channel to keep talking about it tho lol

[signal plover]

So most srs ppl waiting til then to test

[grim prism]

Yeah i saw that; looks like tanks got gutted across the board

Hopefully we can still flex DPS nuts to keep it interesting

[sharp steeple]

In what order does cooldowns and absorbs come in terms of damage reduction? I know its dodge/parry -> Block -> Armor/(Vers?)

[unborn island]

they're multiplicative IIRC, so it doesn't matter?

[timid jay]

It's multiplicative so outside of dodge and parry it doesn't matter

Additive would be completely broken

@sharp steeple just make sure if you're calculating dr against bosses to not use the armor% in character sheet

[sharp steeple]

What about absorbs, wouldn’t they subtract an amount if the damage? Like a 5m IP?

[timid jay]

Absorbs are after DR's

[sharp steeple]

Alright, thanks a bunch!

[sick sentinel]

Any prot warriors with mythic experience? Have a quick question

[restive scroll]

There's loads of them, you can just ask your question(s) :)

[ember arrow]

o/

[prisma crane]

guess we scared her away

[restive scroll]

Comb your hairs fellows, damn !

[ember arrow]

maybe it was catfriends alternate disc account

[prisma crane]

na, she has mythic xp now too

[restive scroll]

And she doesn't say hey anymore, since she's a star

[signal plover]

Does she cry, cry, cry in her lonely heart, thinking?

[dusk locust]

if there's nothing

[grim prism]

missin in my heart, then

[signal mortar]

if I dont have any tier, I still go vengeance + heavy repercussions right? or go AM + booming voice even with shit gear?

this is for mythic+ mostly

[ember arrow]

always AM

without t21 vengeance is possible

[prisma crane]

yes, but if M+ i'd still go with BV anyways

esp with belt

[signal mortar]

no belt

[prisma crane]

but yea, without T21 either works

i still like BV

it's more dmg

if you really feel you need venge just put on SotB ring

[signal mortar]

so you just dont use revenge with this build unless free proc?

assuming you're going for survival

[ember arrow]

wit vengeance weaving u alternate vengeance/IP

[junior ivy]

hey i saw my name up there

[prisma crane]

yea ^ jsut alternate, procs make it more efficient

you have two accounts i guess!

[junior ivy]

i havent been paying as much attention to this discord cause im too addicted to far cry 5

[winged marsh]

your famous now

[signal mortar]

not vengeance, you said booming voice

so with booming voice build you dont use revenge unless free proc if I understand correctly

[round hornet]

can use it for dps

[signal mortar]

aha

[prisma crane]

i use it for dmg, but yea, generally purely surv with BV you'd only use if free

or about to cap rage

[signal mortar]

kay ty

[grim prism]

Catfriend has been famous

You still clicking?

[minor prawn]

hey to get prot hidden weapon appearance do u have to do all the highmountain quests or can u just go to the cave

[cloud bone]

I think you can just go to the cave but i'm not 100% sure

[minor prawn]

thnx

done it 3 days now and got nothing

how long it take some u guys to get it

[cloud bone]

It took me 8 game restarts

cus I did it when you could cheese it

[minor prawn]

oh

[round hornet]

took me over a month

of checking iirc

[round vortex]

There is a macro you can get that tells you if you have checked for the day or not 😃

It reports to your chat window. Make sure you play with sound on as well when you enter the cave as it will give a big roar when you enter as well 😃 Plus there will be an emote

[minor prawn]

thnx man

[sick sentinel]

best tanking legendaries for m+?

[ember arrow]

belt/gloves/wrists/legs

[sharp galleon]

Does anyone have the google doc for all the spells you could spell reflect in antorus and perhaps all of legion? there use to be a google doc for it but apperantly it has been deleted. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L1L6-kJS_KI8T-3KbWpRmZiHLhvKu9NaVIU-SCrXs8s/preview that was the link for it and sadly my web browser just shows it as deleted link was hoping it would still have the person who made it in the description still 😦

[ember arrow]

its in pins

Spell Reflection/Blockable Damage Sheet: https://goo.gl/xtfCfX

@sharp galleon

[storm slate]

are stamina trinkets required for warrs? feel like my health pool is low

[ember arrow]

no

[storm slate]

not required but are they beast?

[ember arrow]

hp isnt determining factor of tanks

theyre pretty useless

[storm slate]

gotchya

[ember arrow]

for us that is

[storm slate]

honestly kind of triggering having pugs comparing my hp to other classes

[ember arrow]

then theyre stupid

and dont know the tanks

i would ignore it

[sick sentinel]

i have wrists and gloves right now

[ember arrow]

thats a good combo

legs are only really good for specific few boses

[storm slate]

ignorance on their part for sure but idk people used to 10mil + health pools talking smack

[ember arrow]

NL, last boss, worm, and 2nd boss, 1st boss mos

for example

i know what u mean, almost everyday someone asks if war hp is too low

i say no becasue we dont take thje dmg to need high hp pool and IP is our ehp

making it on par if not more than others

@storm slate

like this

[sharp galleon]

ty @ember arrow i should have checked the pins 😄

[storm slate]

ty for the discussion as well

[ember arrow]

np np, nothing in antorus is reflectable, but dont forget SR is also 50% magic dmg DR

mcpain, they compare, but u egt kicked too cuz of "low" health pool?

then it would be kinda ridiculous, i had that heppen too lol

[sharp galleon]

mains a prot pally 😛 i have a alt warrior but don't play it much was looking for the link to give to a prot warrior friend who is new to tanking, wasn't sure if anything was reflectable.

[ember arrow]

in dungeons alot is

best thing ever is 3rd boss coen chaotic energy

dont need tostand inside shield

also pty much all "bolt" type spells from adds

[wooden lark]

any tips on destructor tentacle in mos? they hit hard af in higher keys

[ember arrow]

use SR when they spawn

[sharp galleon]

good to know 😄 i enjoy my warrior but had mostly played fury this xpac >.< the idea of having another max lvl tank in the beginning of legion was kinda off putting. but since catching up in AP and leggos have been so easy since about 7.2 I've been able to have all 6 tank specs again.

[ember arrow]

u reflect their dot

yes it makes no sense since its physical dotbut it works and is amazng

[wooden lark]

i never seem to catch them casting it

[ember arrow]

they dont have cast

its around 3 sec in

so u use it when they emerge

[wooden lark]

kk thanks for the tip

[ember arrow]

u can equip legs too for extra safety, but if ur group kills them quick enough, u can reflect one every 25 sec AKA dont need legs

SR base cd is enough

[wooden lark]

yeah think part of the problem was i was tanking the destructor while the dps just killed the ones grabbing onto the boat

[ember arrow]

they must die too, but if destructor isnt killed within 30 sec

another spawns

and ur fucked

[wooden lark]

do the tentacles only cast the debuff once?

[ember arrow]

no

every 30 sec ish

and when they spawn

[wooden lark]

kk

so basically use sr on cd

[ember arrow]

thats feelycraft from me, based on personal exp

ye

well

wait like 1 sec, when they are completely above ground

SR

[wooden lark]

best tank trinket?

trinkets*

oh nvm

[crystal night]

@ember arrow that WA is sick

for IP

anyone know how good Heart of Writhing darkness trinket from DHT is for Prot? I know its crit ( /puke ) but the effect tho?

[undone sun]

Pretty good on st

We can get a pretty high uptime on it, especially with t21

[crystal night]

Feels fucking good man TY alpha prot warrior Thyme

[round vortex]

Pogchamp from last raid lol

[compact geyser]

quick question plz, how do we do the bomb soaking on mythic argus? what rotation are we using for cds for that?

[undone sun]

SR when it's up, and legs can help quite a bit for orb soaker
otherwise a decent IP buff can help for a couple while using ls/sw for gaps

[compact geyser]

is that for the like soulbomb/burst //avatar of aggra soaking?

[undone sun]

Oh, p2 orbs

[compact geyser]

yes, my bad

[sage sphinx]

How much of a DPS increase are gloves from not wearing gloves?

Are gloves around a 10% increase?