Then I'm good lol
#protection
stark sage
nah
its nice to have a ton
but really you shouldnt have problems if you arent wasteful with your mitigation
especially at 30+ haste
primal crypt
Yeah, i spam ip in the small window that I have with no block
But usually it hasn't been an issue
More so for m+ though, i think having that high of haste would be beneficial?
For large trash packs
stark sage
in m+ the downtime inbetween pulls is usually enough to bank up 2 charges
you also have warbringer stun as a great surviability tool
stark sage
yeah take advantage of it
its op
if you have the belt on trash pulls your Demo shout uptime is insanely high
primal crypt
Yeah, I've been running belt bracers or gloves bracers
Dependant on what I've been up against
And legs bracers for heavier hitters
stark sage
id only run legs in m+ on some select bosses that need the extra charge of spell reflect
primal crypt
I don't trust not having bracers on :/
Yeah, like medivh
What a dick
I just got the trinket that interrupts him
When i take spell dmg
Plus the 2 charges of sr
Ember of nullification? Havent had the chance to use it yet
stark sage
dunno seems kinda weak
primal crypt
I thought about that
But...i don't trust my healers
I'm so wrapped up around my bracers
restive scroll
I know, but still, on medivh, there's not much that can fuck you up
plain ice
do you have reflect up for each piercing missiles cast if you use the pants?
restive scroll
Nop
Depend on its timer
he can do 3 missile in 20 sec, although that's rare
He can also do only two in a minute
plain ice
๐๐ฝ
restive scroll
(i'm probably exagerating, bu ti don't know which way :3)
plain ice
no worries - i'm assuming i'll be able to have it covered with legs + interrupts
doing an 18 upper kara tonight
primal crypt
Seat 19
Hurts
A lot
Handled it better than my dk though
All because of warbringer
I wish we had intimshout still
Would've been nice to have
restive scroll
Seat hurts *
primal crypt
๐
I've been running a lot of seat
Farming for the avoidance set rings
Hoping for godlike TF
restive scroll
And you go in 19? :')
primal crypt
Well the 19 was just a test
Completed a 20 on my dk
Got hyped and said I can do this on my warrior
Needless to say, we didn't finish
Not because of me, but our monk dcd
Never came back
restive scroll
:/
The reflect makes it very nice as a warrior, at least to me
but this week affixes aren't great for it imo
primal crypt
Tell me about it
Monk/dh
Pop everything when all I've done is throw my weapon at the next pack
Haven't even charged in yet
They die and say wtf warrior, where's your aggro...
restive scroll
Yeah, most people don't grasp the concept of skittish :')
A damn pain a some instances
like mos first boss
primal crypt
So I intercept backwards and rocket boots out the entrance
restive scroll
Never had a group who stacked up and wait for aggro
primal crypt
Lmfao
Forget about grouping those adds together ever
I call for a stack and people spread out farther
restive scroll
teeming tyranical volcanic
sanguine griveous fortified
bolstering explosive tyranical
i think
junior ivy
isnt it necrotic again next week?
restive scroll
I think they switched it, that's what it says on that planning at least
please don't jinx it T_T
junior ivy
hope thats true
lapis topaz
Another noob question, but to make best use of the warbringer stun, are you getting just far enough from a melee DPS to use it on them (the minimum distance is shorter for allies, right), and by doing so stun the mobs?
lapis topaz
Ooooh, no range? For some reason I thought there was still small range.
restive scroll
you can also intercept pets, if you're melee deprived
lapis topaz
Oooh kay... now things make even more sense. Thank you.
restive scroll
Sure
Care about that though, some melees don't know how to place themselves, and you endup not stunning
digital jetty
can i ask
lapis topaz
What's the best placement for them? Seems like opposite the tank should be their default, right? Save bosses that have tails or what not
digital jetty
with ring talent legendary
should i go with revenge and booming voice?
or with the haste
restive scroll
depends on what melee. The best is in the middle of the group
Booming voice, the ring isn't even good once you get t21 2p
As an example, a feral drood has lots of range and can be very far away from the mobs
lapis topaz
and could cause warbringer range issues as a result
is there much risk of them getting caught in cleaves if they're in the middle of a pack?
restive scroll
depend which pack, as always :p
lapis topaz
fair enough
restive scroll
most of the time it'll be enough anyway
i never give them a heads up because i 'm too lazy
lapis topaz
On the pin "How to Sim Yourself [Protection Edition]", the section on "How to sim youself for surviability" says merely "Don't." Is that because the sims are inaccurate?
stark sage
right, there isn't a realistic way to sim survival
lapis topaz
I imagine that simming for DPS is likely to produce very non-optimal survival results?
primal crypt
@stark sage and making you stack mastery :/
lapis topaz
more mastery == more block == more dps right?
primal crypt
Basically gave me arms sims
timid jay
Not the reason why mastery is good for dps but sure
stark sage
more mastery more ap
primal crypt
With really low haste :(
timid jay
^
primal crypt
I think the sim put me at 15% haste or something with 72% mastery
So I didn't bother using it
stark sage
did you gain ilvl
primal crypt
Yeah
stark sage
that's why
primal crypt
945 -> 970 pieces
stark sage
yeah ilvl is king
stark sage
well its worth it
stark sage
yep
primal crypt
Even at that low of haste?
primal crypt
My mind is boggled lol
timid jay
All secondaries are relatively close and str is strong for dps for prot
So
It makes perfect sense
primal crypt
Well then....i could technically be at 977 rather than 962 ilvl
Guess I should make the switch.....
Rip...scrub prot warrior
I think crit was at like 26%
Sat there scratching my head
980 Drape of shame with a STR enchant on it is one of the pieces....triggering all the healers when they inspect me
lapis topaz
Do they drape you in shame?
final mist
full swan
4pc t21 worth keeping for m+ higher keys?
stark sage
its good for defense
restive scroll
Depends on what you need legendary wise, and how hard it hits you
full swan
Using gloves and belt
restive scroll
you can, but gloves are pretty neat in monotarget, so i use it mostly in packs
primal crypt
@final mist I think I couldn't believe that stats the sims were giving me so I ended up ignoring them :/
vague belfry
is a 910 arcano worth? Or should I go for a higher ilvl str trinket like diima or chrono shard
stark sage
what ilvl is your diima
vague belfry
945
stark sage
id use that personally
if you are going for dps then you can use simc
and find the best trinket
vague belfry
ok
timid jay
Probably not that good as prot
ember arrow
Bad item
sick sentinel
it could have been good if this was on use effect like glaives
but both proc and damage is nerfed tried it myself not worth it even if ilvl is high
merry cave
Anyone tried using writhing heart trinket? Got. 970 last night lol
round hornet
It's good at reducing magic damages
sick sentinel
its really good for some bosses in m+
thorny hinge
yo, i have a question, if i run a 100% mastery set and 20% avoidance, on mythic argus can i take 15 scythes p1>2?
quiet delta
is a 100%mastery 20% avoid prot warr the best tank out there for argus mythic?
with that we can take 13 stacks ish
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E0vyajOysFOggk5OQ9qpmK9b0EZHcKMvATMsRfd9NHg/edit?usp=sharing
storm slate
if you had to pick between rage of the fallen (Revenge) or Thunder Crash (Thunderclap) which one beats the other out in Mythic +?
quiet delta
you can with externals or if you run with indomitable Ev
is p1>p2 15 scythes in total?
storm slate
sorry for interrupting I shouldve checked timestamps before posting
merry cave
Has anyone had much luck with high level brh and got any tips to get faster. Hitting the 23+ feel like not having grip is slowing big pulls down a lot
Especially hallway and bats
junior ivy
winged marsh
so close bud!
junior ivy
1 chested nelths 20 ๐
winged marsh
have fun!
quiet delta
Morg do u remember skystep pots?
undone sun
Yeah it's good, arguably the better source
merry cave
Yeah spam skystepp just find in brh, it's really troublesome still. The mobs after 2nd boss move so damn slowly to group up in any reasonable way and God knows what goes wrong on the stupid fortified bats
undone sun
๐
winged marsh
WOOT
junior ivy
did some good keys tonight
now i reeeally need an EoA..
hopin for a +20 eoa in my chest tomorrow
merry cave
Eye isn't too hard this week if you can find a group
Next week is shit from memory
20 eye should be no problemo with fort
restive scroll
@merry cave don't. frankly timer is pretty easy, if you don't slack too much.
Just have to take your time, especially with bats
even doing one pack at a time is probably better than rushing it with most groups
Skysteps as they were offered are if you're premade and everyone knows what to do once you pulled everything, wouldn't recommand it in pugs
Btw, just ask people to wait till the mobs are on you, unless you want to pull everything in the hallway, it's more than fine
storm kindle
Heya guys, i ran a +15 cos as a 908 prot warrior. Was abit of fun tbh. My question is. Due to my ilvl this dungeon was a challenge but easily doable. Should i priotise dps over survivability as i felt solid even at this ilvl.
undone sun
Few factors, depends on key, bosses, and comfortability but generally you want to gear for ending the encounter as quick as possible
little storm
How big chance is there that the Hidden Artifact will appear ?
mortal carbon
undone sun
Not that i know of, very low chance
restive scroll
@storm kindle Imo you should prioritise survivability. For now it's the rest of the group who will do the dps, but they probably won't be able to tank them if you die.
Plus, I usually don't trust my healers (even premade, then tend to forget me quite a lot... :) )
unborn island
Hogo is right once again, although i find that once keys get higher again, strats need to change again (e.g pelters on high keys) where you just gotta smash out as much dps as possible in the stunlock before kiting to stop them melting people.
full spruce
Well tits mcgee...Thought I could get home from work and finish up the last alt +15 and MAW I didnt finish before work last night. Darn servers are done
down*
Servers up >< spoke to soon
quiet delta
which of these necks for m+ guys?
jade socket
woops wrong spec
restive scroll
Same. The feeling you get when finally having hast on a piece is pretty neat :3
full spruce
Having 44% haste then going to my alliance warrior with 20% feels sooooo clunky
quiet delta
why not the 960 then, it has a socket, so extra haste, it basically gives 2975 haste
timid jay
Mastery is nice I guess ๐ค
I mean either neck works fine, 975 is probably the best one but I'm a sucker for haste
restive scroll
I just like the "titanforge" word myself
quiet delta
well which of these 3 rings then (dont mind the enchants are sockets, i can make them haste too :P)
I'm going with ring of contempt for the haste
although the others have mastery instead of vers
restive scroll
damn it's everywhere. Don't know, i like to not drop too much ilvl either
quiet delta
however mastery is nice in fortified m+ i guess since a lot of melee
sick sentinel
Ring of contempt is the best
restive scroll
The comtempt is fine
quiet delta
ok
onyx verge
Does anyone have a mouseover macro for intercept that works with both friendly and enemy targets , as well as charging the target when there is no mouseover target?
quiet delta
i use that with
sick sentinel
That's fine
quiet delta
so the neck is the question
whichj of the 3
even when using the neck without any haste, im still 28-29 % ish haste
restive scroll
#showtooltip Intercept /use [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][@target] Intercept @sick sentinel
Friendly target on mouseover > target
sick sentinel
Here @onyx verge
onyx verge
thanks
sick sentinel
showtooltip Intercept
/cast [@granite gobletover, help, nodead][@fluid parrotget]Intercept
quiet delta
but using the one with im at 36%+
sick sentinel
@onyx verge there is another one which u can do by pressing ctrl but I can't find it right now
quiet delta
anyways thanks for ur opinions
quiet delta
is that an intercept macro?
onyx verge
This one works fine , ty
sick sentinel
Yes
quiet delta
good in m+ with safeguard I guess
sick sentinel
Yup
quiet delta
or u using it for another purpose?
onyx verge
actually i was having sth else in mind
restive scroll
Also for raid if you want to "help" your tank mate (And steal some healing !) Or just generate a bit of rage
onyx verge
ani-cancelling heroic leap to stun mobs with intercept (warbringer)
sick sentinel
Can be used in the off tank
quiet delta
im gonna try it
sick sentinel
Yeah in mythic plus, u can charge at ur Meele team to stun
quiet delta
is this the full one? showtooltip Intercept
/cast [@granite gobletover, help, nodead][@fluid parrotget]Intercept
onyx verge
#showtooltip Intercept
/use [@granite gobletover,help,nodead][help,nodead][@fluid parrotget] Intercept
quiet delta
safeguard is so good on the bosses with almost oneshot mechanics
sick sentinel
Because u don't need to be far away to charge when u Mouse over your team member who is in Meele with u
quiet delta
to help teammates
sick sentinel
That's what I'm talking about
sick sentinel
I think it might
quiet delta
ok probably better that way xD
undone sun
I have two bindings for intercept, only one is mouseover
quiet delta
so i dont accidentally pull
i just replaced my normal intervene with the mouseover one
sick sentinel
Nice nice
quiet delta
u think that is ok or risky?
ancient ore
dragon skin or vykrul shield training
sick sentinel
Vrykul is okay, I prefer dragon skin for defence tho
restive scroll
Not really, worse case you let your mouse over an ally, and charge him instead of your target
quiet delta
cus the block takes all physical anyway and vrykrul doesnt help on magic, but dragon skin works on both
undone sun
Not all physical
prisma crane
you're assuming both that you're always blocking, and ideally crit blocking
and there's physical dots affected by armor as well
quiet delta
when actively tanking i almost always have shield block up
yeah
but dragon skin works for everything for sure
sick sentinel
Dragon skin is good because IP is something u use all the time
prisma crane
yes, but almost always, even if well done =/= always
quiet delta
there are magic dmg too that vrykul wont help with
restive scroll
he said actively tanking, so it's actually possible
prisma crane
with current rage levels, I'm almost always capping IP anyways
quiet delta
well then both are irrelevant, if u are capping IP always, u dont need more defenses ๐
or u need to do harder content, higher keys etc
prisma crane
fair, but i'd pick the armor most likely
sick sentinel
They are both good but dragon skin is better in my opinion, and it gives you better heal parse
prisma crane
lol
restive scroll
doing mm+ mysel,f, i preffer the IP%, block is already pretty strong, and there's a lot o magic damage
prisma crane
if you want the better heal parse, dont use SB as often
quiet delta
it is easy to get enough haste now to get shieldblock up 24/7 now anyways when actively tanking, so i'd take the other, i guess it depends on ur trinkets too, if they have stre/mastery on them it will make the %from dragon skin stronger i'd guess, but if u are using armor, or non str/mastery trinkets, maybe the vrykul
prisma crane
lol
restive scroll
+1 kratos :)
sick sentinel
SB is cheap tho
restive scroll
take more damage, get higher healing parse
sick sentinel
Yeah I guess
prisma crane
you want to take all the dmg you can so that IP never "overheals" via hitting the cap
restive scroll
You can also go inside AoE and never use CD for that :)
prisma crane
which is REALLY hard to do during DS/BC windows
sick sentinel
Anyways, heal parse boost from dragon skin
restive scroll
I've seen somewhere that vrikul is slightly more efficient on physical damage, so it's pretty nice for raiding.
sick sentinel
And parse is very good
restive scroll
Healing Parse don't matter. Having high healing parse usually says that there was mistakes, at the very least
prisma crane
i personally care more about the dps parse than the healing one; apart from aoe fights, it's actually less cheese
sick sentinel
I love to parse, but I mostly parse dps
High parse is very important to me
High heal parse doesn't mean mistakes
restive scroll
Same, you could see i have both high parse in dps and healing, just saying that as a general advice, don't focus on them if you can't affort too
prisma crane
it usually does though Abrod
sick sentinel
I wanna see
prisma crane
insp pres works better with raid dmg taken
IP works better if you dont overcap
for heal parse*
sick sentinel
Yeah Insp pres pisses me off
prisma crane
that or you underheal fights too, so your healers take longer to top off the raid
sick sentinel
Sometimes u get rly good heal and sometimes u don't
restive scroll
For a healer, that may need that you're carying your friends, but not for a tank
sick sentinel
Ur heal parse is like 50% dependant on healers
restive scroll
more on your dps than healer
quiet delta
ok guys. 7% haste vs 4%mastery+4%vers+ 320stamina
sick sentinel
Haste over all
restive scroll
they have to dps fast to get back to full life before those damn healer snipe them รจ_รฉ
sick sentinel
More the better
prisma crane
what's your haste at?
sick sentinel
Hogo what's ur character
quiet delta
forgot to add the stam
restive scroll
Ilvl over all, but hast is pretty nice :3
prisma crane
and if you gained that much stam you gained STR as well
quiet delta
we are talking 28,2% haste or 35,2% haste
restive scroll
quiet delta
nope it is still the 965haste mastery neck vs the 975 vers mastery neck xD
prisma crane
for dps, the lower haste one would likely be better
restive scroll
(The few fight i did in mythic, i wasn't trying to do well, just to finish the bosses so i could stop)
restive scroll
and if you look a bit at them, you'll see that i slack a lot on purpose
prisma crane
why is that?
sick sentinel
Why would u slack
restive scroll
More rage, more hps, better parse
prisma crane
and it perhaps shows with your heal parses on heroic vs your dps
restive scroll
Don't know, i did most of them at the same time
prisma crane
i never check my heal parses...
restive scroll
My best parse aren't even with gloves/belt, but often with gloves/bracer
sick sentinel
Weird
restive scroll
Except for garothy healing, i did it without legendary
prisma crane
restive scroll
Nah, it's just luck at some point
prisma crane
seems i slack in the healing dept on last two on mythic
sick sentinel
Krotos kicking ass
restive scroll
But neat kingaroth :p
sick sentinel
I'm getting a 99 dps parse this week
prisma crane
well, it's old now, not close to 100
prisma crane
i bet you're up there Cosmo, since you used 4p2p for a long time and use 4p a lot
prisma crane
@timid jay
timid jay
That kin parse
undone sun
Big healing
sick sentinel
That grey parse...
restive scroll
Meh, can't even scare him :/
prisma crane
@sick sentinel https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/krotรดs#
sick sentinel
Mythic lol
restive scroll
Thyme > Cosmo, i'll remember that
undone sun
Idk why the tabs weren't switching
timid jay
Nice edit
prisma crane
ouch, picking sides
restive scroll
Didn't say that i liked one more thatn the other
Just the fact that Thyme was better :)
undone sun
Lol
prisma crane
ha
sick sentinel
Cosmo is cool cat
restive scroll
But i'm not a raiding player anymore, i'll just let you fellows talk :)
prisma crane
my dmg ones are falling off, but my highest %s still look good at least..... except for Argus....
if i had your damn parse on Argus Cosmo... 2 tanking it makes it a bit rough
undone sun
I bet
timid jay
Pretty happy with having r1 for a while on argus
undone sun
Also not dying when you're supposed to helps
prisma crane
we had him to 12% last wk and were 4 sec off lust and i was already 101k dps above my dmg on the kill
restive scroll
\o
undone sun
Smdh
prisma crane
this is true...
it's ok, i've just gone pretty casual atm, still raiding, but that's about it, Sea of Thieves is my time sink atm
prisma crane
and the BFA prot channel isnt making me feel very good
prisma crane
i just have no idea what Blizz is thinking, but w/e gotta mix it up every. damn. expansion.
undone sun
Yeah...
round hornet
Did they update it to replace IP or something?
undone sun
Not yet
prisma crane
i mean i get why they want people to always feel fresh, but why change things that seem to work well? feels like change for the sake of it
undone sun
Hopefully a new build this week will shine some light
round hornet
I think it doesnt make sense to make judgements until we actually have talents for BFA
undone sun
Indeed
round hornet
and not a bunch of missing holes
prisma crane
for sure, but that's for true BFA talk anywyas
i'll just sit back and wait, didnt even get alpha anyways
even made the CE cut
round hornet
And they do like to change things up, this IP playstyle didnt exist at all last expac
round hornet
same, though looks like belf will get it which could be nice
prisma crane
druid and priest worst nightmare
that's a self dispel
pvp when SS dispels was a blast
round hornet
did they change it again from this one? http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/blog/images/13508.png
undone sun
No
round hornet
I dont pvp at all and im not in alpha XD
undone sun
On GCD as well
prisma crane
oh, then i read it wrong
round hornet
an extra mass dispell woulda been nice for Aggramar
even on the long CD and gcd or w/e
prisma crane
well still, that's far from every SS on a drilled target
undone sun
Hard to say how useful it'll be in the new instances yet
round hornet
yeah tru
prisma crane
but yea, really only saw use in pvp anyways, but would make a nice pvp prot talent
prisma crane
i only feel it right now since WPvP the only people i can't kill atm are healers now
round hornet
idk it was nice being able to dispells, like for uh that one boss in ubrs
junior ivy
is there anything good coming to warriors in bfa that we know about?
undone sun
Arms
junior ivy
the one spec i have literally never played in my life
restive scroll
Did they change it as much as every other patch?
restive scroll
alright, thank you
restive scroll
DHT tyrannical isn't that tought under 20, but it's not easy either
undone sun
Yeah should be an easier week
restive scroll
Third boss is a healer check
Last one is a survivability check
2nd one tank check, starting to hurt a lot
first is there to be pretty
round hornet
tryan DHT can def be kinda shitty
if your grp is not very good at surviving
the last boss
not just the big aoe, but like even the laser hurts a lot on tyran weeks
restive scroll
On high key*, Tyra mostly adds HP
junior ivy
i think id need to 1 chest it for it to even be an upgrade
cause i have a 2 chested dht 18 already
round hornet
+20 is low enough to def be puggable even for tyran tho
restive scroll
meh. Bolt is 7.65. People need to think about it
especially if they haven't done high DHT before
junior ivy
i need 53 pts this week on .io. it's doable right?
restive scroll
you have loads of keys under 20, so yes
Those aren't bad tyranical affixes at all
restive scroll
Then no it's not possible, you need 4k to go back to far cry :p
restive scroll
More seriously, Seat is easier for example
round hornet
5k for far cry 5
junior ivy
i do need seat..
restive scroll
Since people often don't know trashs strat
BRH is usually fine, LK too
Arcway is pretty large
junior ivy
i always read LK as lich king.
restive scroll
x)
Anyway, you have lots of potential this week
the next 2 to 3 weeks aren't bad at all imo. The last 2 were more of a pain
junior ivy
i pulled that entire room down below in lower kara 20 last night on bolstering
i hate bolstering
im glad its over
restive scroll
Same, although i still have 15 hours to go
unborn island
Arcway with teeming
christ.
I need to do a decent arcway key
did a really messy 21 the other day which was nearly in time
my current best is 19+2
I just generally avoid the place, because so many groups can't do the demon side
restive scroll
Yeup, but it's tyranical. Timer is a lot easier, so teeming isn't as much as an issue
You can spare a few boss wype and still get the timer (depending on dps, as always)
dark junco
Hey, anyone know what was the star next to someone name when they queued in LFG ?
Someone told me it was a reward from endless proving ground, butI tried it and its not that
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dark junco
Damn
signal plover
prisma crane
is it related to when you check the box before you queue that you know what you're doing and more eligible for a leader role in the LFR?
wicked snow
Would anyone be willing to look at these logs for me? I'm tanking with a guidie prot warrior and am looking for ways to help him out. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Hv8PfBwhGcR7AVnK/
undone sun
Should definitely start out talenting off of into the fray and into Booming Voice
Maybe better trinket options, fabricator is quite bad for prot
General rotational issues as well, not just t21 2pc but just lots of down time
ideally with 2pc you have these Shield slam burst windows where you press nothing else(that's on the GCD) other than Shield slam to generate rage and do loads of damage, obviously you also don't want to rage cap so you'll be pressing Ignore pain just about as often as possible as well.
tepid socket
Is there something else beside the first boss in MoS that you can spell reflect
undone sun
Bunch of abilities, in the pins there's a spreadsheet with all the abilities reflectable
And as a bonus blockable abilities are included
tepid socket
thx didnt see it at first
ember arrow
@undone sun votw first boss melees are lsited as physical during dark strikes, but theyre in fact completely magic for 10 seconds
undone sun
Lot of wasted rage too, that can be a result of not doing the rotation properly as well, not pressing IP and/or revenge enough
Block uptime is more than acceptable so that's not an issue so it seems like it's rotational and CD management issues @wicked snow
Alright, doesn't change that they're blockable nor melees @ember arrow
ember arrow
they are magic dmg melees
undone sun
Yes
ember arrow
melee is in the "physical" colour
wicked snow
Thanks. I have to stop dps or I take agro back. Any tips for that?
undone sun
Agro problems are on the person losing agro to fix it
ember arrow
@wicked snow tell other tank to git gud
unless he's 20+ ilvls total lower than you, o excuse to loose aggro
no*
wicked snow
Lol
ember arrow
what class is he
wicked snow
Logs are above. I'm blood he's prot warrior. He's 965 I'm 966 equipped.
restive scroll
Look at what Thyme said, it's normal when you consider that
undone sun
Deva
analog stirrup
In mythic Garothi, is there a way for us to not have to run out when we have the missle target on us?
analog stirrup
is that how th prot warrior top logs are doing it? just always seemed like a lot of lost dps running all over the place
shut summit
yep
analog stirrup
well alright then, ill have to see if my guild would be willing to chance a wipe or two for me to try it
undone sun
Easy to pop ahr on cd as well
elder hazel
walls fell ring any good?
restive scroll
Rarely, but yes
elder hazel
using rethus/archimonde atm
undone sun
It's not terrible, gained some value with t21 2pc but doesn't beat gloves
restive scroll
probably better than rethus anyway
undone sun
Indubitably
restive scroll
but yeah, you didn't have much lucks, that's not the legendaries i use the most
elder hazel
damn haha oh well just an alt
restive scroll
still ^^
restive scroll
Probably. Gloves give little rage boost, whereas belt upgrades ds up time quite a lot. Which upgrade bc uptime aswell, and so on with anger management
dire oasis
@analog stirrup make sure u get knocked into ur holy paladin and kill him and urself instead, right @shut summit
shut summit
leap onto him for more fun
delicate urchin
belt ok, thx
unborn island
have just joined a 20 tank mythic antorus run
this is going to be either amazing or away
awful*
delicate urchin
did some one stream this? @unborn island
unborn island
idk
apparently not
about to start
will be first garothi kill if we get it
17% first try, definitely doable
lost a lot at the start
delicate urchin
what's kill u?
unborn island
but never felt i was gonna die
he does a massive aoe at the end of apoc drive if you don't kill either cannon
need to sw+sr for it
if you don't kill the cannons though, you just play p1 mechanics whole time
seems very doable, dps isn't great, I was second and i ended up taking a lot of the barrages as a result
but was still 2nd with ~900k
delicate urchin
ye, not really high..
delicate urchin
nice ๐
unborn island
1 shot dogs
gloves + belt or ring, but usually depends on your other gear/relics etc
elfin jolt
Have they upped leggo droprate apart from being buyable lately?
I havent played since nighthold and got back and whelp
sephuz/shoulders/arms head + belt atm :p
elfin jolt
not bad then
Just catching up on theorycrafting and such
Woah, we're actually stacking haste that insanely
โค
dark junco
did you guys kill dogs ?
unborn island
yep
dark junco
lollll
unborn island
1 shot it
elfin jolt
"Heavy Repercussions is blown out of the water by Anger Management, for both survival and DPS."
When did this happen?
unborn island
dogs is pretty easy when you can swap tanks on 2 stacks
dark junco
hahahaha`
Yeah makes sense
@elfin jolt With t21 2p
SS spam makes IP spam reduce CD like a madman
sick sentinel
no
dark junco
If you absolutely need surviv, for whatever reason, and you don'T outgear the fights, its still 4pc/2p
But, most of the time, you shouldn't, no
elfin jolt
t21 4p seems weak
sick sentinel
combo is cool but ilvl worth more after certain point
if you dont have crazy high ilvl t20 of course
dark junco
its 4pt20 and 2p t21
sick sentinel
4p is great for aoe pulls 2pc is generaly must both for dps and survival
dark junco
I don't wear t21 4pc
sick sentinel
same generaly i dont wear it also
elfin jolt
I think (just returning) and will barely raid, i'll just roll 2p t21
and high ilvl from m+ on the rest
sick sentinel
using it only for m+ and some mythic bosses
elfin jolt
including gloves + x
sick sentinel
yeah
elfin jolt
Did some prot on alpha
seemed odd, also tried some vDH but
i love my warrior ๐ฆ
its just so much muscle memory picking up like 5+ targets with mouseover heroic throws/taunts and shit
dark junco
odd like : we're missing 3 talents and we don't have ignore pain anymore ?
elfin jolt
vDH i just leap kek
prisma crane
AM being better than HR has been a thing since late NH, and throughout ToS btw
prisma crane
yea, T21 just made the difference that much larger is all
prisma crane
the biggest shift was really just a mentality thing, 100% uptime is worthless when you're not tanking 100% of the time
elfin jolt
sick sentinel
i dont want to remember that raid man
krosus still hurts more then most of the stuff out there
that fucking boss
xd
elfin jolt
Can we bring enraged back plz
prisma crane
not at all
sick sentinel
well i didnt do NH for really long time but i just didnt like it bad design for us
elfin jolt
Whats this amanthul bullshit so
Last boss can drop two diferent trinkets?
And you can use the legendary one ontop of 2 others?
sick sentinel
there is 4 trinkets in total if im not mistaken they drop for your spec
and there is amanthuls totaly different any spec can get it and its 1000 ilvl straight
but drop chance is around 0.06ish i think
elfin jolt
Ah yeah it seems like arcanocrystal on drugs
But epic one seems nice
im only 3 kills in, but afaik you only have 1 chance per week?
sick sentinel
tank pantheon is great for dps
elfin jolt
(for epic one)
sick sentinel
yeah one chance
sick sentinel
you should get it after 6 or 7th kill
it has bad-luck protection on it so your chance will increase more you kill it
sick sentinel
BUT dont forget to spec protection or you will get dps pantheon trinket
i got dps trinket first week and didnt tank one for next 11 weeks
elfin jolt
Yeah i always have prot on atm due to wanting gloves so
ugh ๐ฆ
Speaking of trinkets i have a 950 smoldering (my ilvl is just 940 atm)
It's really nice with demo shout > battle cry in terms of dps ๐
Otherwise its meh i feel
Kinda cool, still.
22 mil absorb is nothing to scoff at
sick sentinel
smoldering is cool for bosses where you need to solo stuff specialy in m+
and i think some people used it for M argus to protect themself from 4th scythe
elfin jolt
Dont really have a 2nd trinket atm.. using a 930 fang
Bought 3 pair of 650 argunite gloves, then did storheim WQ for AP and got sephuz
๐ข
sick sentinel
once you get pantheon up to 1000 you will use it alot even tho its not really great for survival it has really high STR and still good to have 5k versa procs
chrono shard or memento is probably best trinkets if you want to push for highest dps
elfin jolt
The frost-ish one (got a decent ilvl on vDH) seems pretty nice defensively atleast
sick sentinel
check pins there should be trinket overall
sick sentinel
diimas is great it gives you good amount of armor if needed good slow if you need to kite
also with shout+BC and high versa it deals 2m crit to each add
elfin jolt
Not bad ๐
Yeah just got back, about 4d played this reset, got a normal clear in and a few hc
sick sentinel
codex is okey it generaly overheals prot warrior alot but still better then most trinkets
elfin jolt
got a +15 done so hoping for some decent shit but
gonna nolife m+ next week prol
if i can get 950+ so groups wont QQ
sick sentinel
dont get your hopes that high
i still have 955 relics
because game says fuck you
elfin jolt
Im at 933 avg as far as relics go atm
930/30/40
Shatter the bones across the board lol
Light speed trait seems nice
Dunno how im gonna catchup on my dudes/followers tho
Cant really farm the 900 slap ilvl
I guess i can farm nethershards for random +5/10/15 but meh
4/6 900 atm
sick sentinel
followers is easy it takes a while but just send them for ilvl pieces first
make them 900 then 925 then 950
once they get 950 you can send them every quest it should be fine
for relics we dont have netherlight trait value like other specs
elfin jolt
Shadowbind seems kinda strong (?)
sick sentinel
generaly go for highest ilvl
elfin jolt
And Lightspeed nice
Ah allright
The PPM feels nice atleast, but then again, no real data just feelycrafting
sick sentinel
only one or two relic is so good for us
sick sentinel
bracers/belt/gloves best 3 legos
chest is pure shit other legendaries can be used in certain times
but you wont really use any other then top 3
elfin jolt
Yeah hoping for some blessed rng next week
Does WCL archive logs from like wod/mop and shit?
seems super broken to me
round hornet
some of them
you like pay WCL to store your old logs
otherwise they expire after a year or something
elfin jolt
rip old gladiator spec #1s
cant apply to guilds on old merits
anyway, thanks for pointers lads, much appreciated
dark junco
โค
pure abyss
elfin jolt
undone sun
^
timid jay
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round hornet
those look like full pants to me
elfin jolt
Maybe
k, done my emisarry, RBG win, RHC for the day
Thats it for Wakening Essence yeah?
I guess maybe gravity lapse?`
round hornet
raid
prisma crane
a better nerf for argus would've been to reduce the dmg the sentences do, but the HP one is a solid start
at least this way you can limp to the finish line a lot easier
round hornet
yeah makes it easier to like not lust in p1
patchnotes for those who havent seen https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21365424
past crater
finally replaced my 920 chaostalisman with a 935 dog eye trinket
it seems really good with how you can swap offencive and defencive
jagged bay
junior ivy
sick sentinel
rip gloves
timber nest
that feeling when you rip threat off a 976 blood dk on argus and scythe the entire raid
novel comet
Trying to unlock the first skin for Last Breath of the Worldbreaker...but there is no tooltip to tell me HOW to do it. Helppppp
That's for Legionbreaker obviously.
past crater
can you reroll token the epic verdsion of argus trinket?
undone sun
No, pantheon trinkets cannot be brolled
trim sphinx
@novel comet thatโs because thatโs the hidden skin
You unlocked the tints through arms and/or fury already. For the first you actually have to unlock the hidden
past crater
is the pantheon trinkets only good on argus or are they good everywhere iwth the str and vers proc
undone sun
Mostly used for the raid benefits and massive main stat
past crater
alright, i think its still better than a 935 dog eye trinket though. they both have flat str its just bonus armor vs a vers proc
undone sun
What is your other option, conviction is usually defaulted to for reasons stated above
past crater
945 chrono shard, 935 dog eye trinket, 950 pantheon trinket, and 920 chaos talisman
cinder nova
Is it possible to take 2 stacks of foebreaker on mythic?
Well, is it possible to take it as easily?
merry cave
How significant are those agg nerfs
sick sentinel
im tanking 2 foebreaker use cosmo's spreadsheet it helped me alot to tank it without any CD's
im also planning on using it for argus scythe and which gear i should use
undone sun
cinder nova
Yeah I sniffed that one out.
Hm.
Looks like I can't survive Mythic x2 foebreaker without wall and DS
Just blocking and NF bring me to 13M damage or so on the second
junior ivy
who drops tier hat?
undone sun
Agg
deft sapphire
3fast5me
solid owl
Foolish question, this Argus calculator, are these mythic figures? Also for the purposes of soulbomb is it already assuming I have Aggramar's Sacrifice or is it not taking the increased HP into account
solid owl
there's another one in the tank notes for Antorus, basically what I'm really wanting answered is that it seems to suggest that the aggramar's sacrifice damage can be blocked, rather it says "is affected by active mitigation" but in the damage breakdowns there are different sections for block and crit block
is this the case?
undone sun
It's an oversight, while being affected by armor and any physical DR it cannot be blocked
solid owl
figures
merry cave
Starting agg this week, do you guys whove done it tend to 3 or 4 tank it?
well by '4 tanks' 2 tanks on agg and 2 blood dks doing grips
winged marsh
not an uncommon strategy
3 tanks is pretty much every kill
I know some people 4 tanking it
merry cave
Was just thinking 4 tanks would be safter potentially and we probably arent going to run into dps issues
winged marsh
enrage is pretty irrelevant on the fight yea
daring aspen
We do it 3 tanks 2 BDK and 1 floortank and they dont seem to have any issues
hasty sapphire
Is 7/7 Bastion a Must to Take 2 Foe Breaker? And which Trinkets do you recommend for Agg?
deft sapphire
Nah you donโt NEED 7/7 just helps, if you have 7/7 you get 88% dr on nelths, 6/7 will be 84% etc
Itโs a pretty big difference but if you manage your cds youโll still be able to do it
Just use pantheon and your best throughout trinket defensively, apocalypse drive is pretty good
static pilot
Hm... Slight change of topic, but how do you guys handle the bat staircase in BRH on teeming/necrotic as a prot warrior?
restive scroll
teeming volcanic this week
but usually, i jkust don't, i mean, i don't even go there
edgy mango
speaking of m+, what are some good leggos for m+?
rn I'm using legs (in lack of belt and hands) and wrists
static pilot
I quite like the gloves and belt, swap in the legs for certain bosses
as an example Ymiron in MoS is a hell of a lot easier with two charges of Spell Reflect
restive scroll
belts hands wrist >> occasionnaly sephuz/legs>>> more occasionnaly either trinket and SW ring
edgy mango
hope I get either legs or hands this week from the 1k essence leggo then haha
static pilot
^^
Gloves if you want the extra damage, bracers if you need the extra HPS
edgy mango
got wrists as my first leggo
started tanking recently as prot, it's really fun imo
also fun to do something different, been healing the whole xpac
latent hollow
what kind of gear setup is everyone running for more dps as prot for raid and m+
edgy mango
the only gear I have :D
2set t21, legs and wrist leggo, aggramar trink and argus tanking trink
unborn island
@latent hollow gloves, 2p t21, belt/argus ring (depending on t2 traits and whether it's an AoE fight), then run argus tanking trinket + 965 memento
frank adder
New here with a quick question I have Loop of the Life-Binder 950 ilvl (2,917 Stamina, 1,362 Haste, 2,611 Mastery) or Ring of Contempt 940 ilvl (2,658 Stamina, 2,564 Haste, 1,175 Versatility, 641 Speed) not sure which is better simply...
frank adder
Only reason i ask is because of the haste, with the ring on that puts me at 36%
without i sit at 32%
restive scroll
as long as you're over 25%~ and under 55%~it's doesn't do much difference anyway
(although i go for hast as much as possible because i suck :3)
frank adder
๐ thanks for the help
mossy narwhal
Hi, i'm new to tanking and i'm currently trying it on a few low lvl keys. Reading through the guides, so no problem there.
Just a quick question though. Are thunder clap and revenge enough to maintain aggro on a group of mobs, or do you constantly switch the target to build more on each individual target? I have been spamming thunder clap and revenge (on proc) and it seems ok but you know :)
edgy mango
It works fine for me, been changing targets manually a bit now during skittish week, but havent had to during non-skittish
mossy narwhal
Ah i see :) yeah, i usually run as arms
Easy for the tank to lose aggro with skittish thats for sure
Thanks for the response
mossy narwhal
My hp seems a little low compared to a few other tanks but i am missing some stamina gear, and using the devastate talent instead of indomitable
restive scroll
but if they burst at pull on another target than yours, that could not be enough
mossy narwhal
So just be aware of what they're attacking then
Using soul of the battlelord and the bracers atm and i seem to get enoug self-healing so feeling good atm
Haste is about 27%
restive scroll
It's fine enough
Yeah, just try to switch a bit at the start
after a few thunderclap, it should be fine
timid jay
Comparing health to other tank specs is a bit useless fwiw
restive scroll
unless you got a DH that keep eye beaming on a large pack :)
mossy narwhal
Not picked up a pure protection lego, as i was playing arms/fury so the next should be on its way
Ahh i see
There was a dh tbat was constantly pulling aggro in MoS
Might be because of that then :D
And this hunter judt would not turn auto-taunt off his pet :s annoying
Really makes you respect the tanks whencyou finally try to be one lol
daring aspen
@timid jay should just pick indom for that surv
timid jay
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mossy narwhal
I would probably pick indom on higher keys. the bonus to ignore pain doesn't seem negligible either
timid jay
It is
Indom is never worth it
The added rage generation from devastator more than makes up for it
silk mortar
now i dont get it, you guys said to seperate things kinda
silk mortar
Was thinking about the guy above you, sorry just jumped in
mossy narwhal
Me?
silk mortar
I dont even know anymore
daring aspen
Pick it so healers get better log?
silk mortar
Healers healing is bad, healers dps is good ๐
daring aspen
Wtf
restive scroll
And you can take Impending victory, since you'll have more hp too :)
silk mortar
Life is wonderful you guys
mossy narwhal
I have been running the party buff
silk mortar
Thanks for being here โค ๐
mossy narwhal
Forgot the name :P
restive scroll
depend which key level, but at some point, yeup
timid jay
Safeguard is stronger in dungeons generally if you need the DR effect on a ally
silk mortar
For example eye, brh, arcway are some dungeons
You need it for high keys so dps dont get one shotted,
Atleast my group ๐
restive scroll
He's doing low keys for now, doesn't have to bother with that
mossy narwhal
Like when skittish is around and you have 1 melee in the group
restive scroll
Yeup, although it's mostly for the warbringer stun
silk mortar
yeah
restive scroll
i let them die *-*
mossy narwhal
Haha
silk mortar
You pretty much cry when you dont have melee in your group