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#protection
signal plover
round hornet
other than soaking bomb and bursts in m argus
signal plover
He said HC runs
round hornet
your pantheon trinket is more useful than a useless onuse
signal plover
I'd do Titan guard and panth
stark sage
if you feel weak in your hc runs, maybe you should consider other options instead of a trinket combination
like talents/ rotation/ ilvl
round hornet
if you want a good trinket combo use pantheon and darkmoon deck from the AH
merry cave
Ewww darkmoon
tender bone
Oki I have that already so i could do
stark sage
90% of the time warriors dying is caused by misusing your mitigation
merry cave
How will people know I'm awesome with a 900ilvl trinket
signal plover
Do u have a diimas?
tender bone
I understand that my skill lvl is a factor here iif you guys are saying Panthon thats fine, I dont have Diimas yet, i do have The Eye as well but im told that garbage
timid jay
Eye can be good under the right circumstances
merry cave
Armour eye isn't bad at all
timid jay
And for heroic unless you're severely undergeared pantheon trinket is fine to use
Wouldnt really recommend armor eye unless you're using DmD in the other slot
DMD is just stronger
stark sage
its really easy outgear the need for DMD
prisma crane
all that said, if you're concerned about physical dmg taken, the DMD is better than the eye
tender bone
My main Deaths are Dogs and Argus
stark sage
well dogs you probably arent using spell reflect properly
round hornet
make sure you block the stuffs
timid jay
You know you can block the maw's right?
merry cave
I mean that sounds like your fucking up shield block and/or CDs
tender bone
Dogs im sure is something to do with me as is Argus, Im just trying to make sure im getting the best of the gear i have, follwing stat Prios etc
Yeah I do
timid jay
Logs are always helpful in scenarios like these
stark sage
you can block every maw, use spell reflect when the stacks start to hurt
timid jay
Argus is one of those bosses that prot warriors really shine on
merry cave
Wonder what the record for heroic scythe stacks is lol
timid jay
With membuild you can reach 30+
stark sage
at that point you would just solo tank it ๐
merry cave
I hit 18 last week but it dies too fast now
tender bone
Cool next time i have questions ill bring logs.
timid jay
Dogs I can understand people having issues on, but argus is one of those fights thats a breeze for prot warriors
Everything is blockable and predictable on that fight
stark sage
if i die on that fight its due to healers being afk
modest crest
Where is the resource to help get to 30 stacks?? I consistently make 8 unless I have to pop a CD early
timid jay
To reach 30 stacks you need 100% mastery
stark sage
its a meme build for a reason
timid jay
Most likely need your cotank to taunt off so you can recharge SB stacks since your haste will be shit
timid jay
Pretty much
fluid sun
Sounds pretty silly
timid jay
Well it's called a meme build for a reason
white valley
Wait so its normal for prot warrs getting 16 stacks on argus?
I was getting jealous. I got to work hard for 16 on heroic arg as vengeance
restive scroll
You can read the conversation just before, it was about that
white valley
How far should i scroll up. Im lazy
restive scroll
once or twice on my mouse
white valley
Im on phone not laptop
restive scroll
can't help you then , 'luck
white valley
Is it possible to get 100% mastery as prot warr?
restive scroll
look upยฒ
prisma crane
@white valley relatively easily if you have mastery on both trinkets and fix your enchants
600 on neck alone is huge
but remember that it's not really a great build, it can be amusing for sure, but unnecessary
frank veldt
anyone have mage tower tips? I'm struggling on getting past the first phase...
round hornet
r u standing in the area too long?
I think I didnt want to get more than like 4 stacks or something
frank veldt
I move in an out of it as much as I can, but I seem to die pretty quick regardless.
signal plover
Using victory rush?
round hornet
um when ur not in it make sure you use like SR or something
signal plover
SR the adds
round hornet
not sure what you mean by moving in and out as much as you can, like your just walking out and back in?
and dont be afgraid to use the orb heal things in p1
since we can cheese twisted reflections or w/e
frank veldt
the area around the inquisitor, i stay in for a few stacks then move out to take out eyes as needed
but whilst im out he seems to hit me with mind rend or whatever and wipe me, feels like im better off tanking him for constant IP uptime
yeah using VR
signal plover
Prolly need to use CDs more proactively then
To survive those low HP hits while u have pool debuff
frank veldt
hmm yeah
signal plover
Also use the orbs
frank veldt
just feels like i die so quickly (probably cos its so frantic) that I don't learn anything from each try
signal plover
U can go higher stacks during initial burst to get Max dmg in
What leggos u using?
signal plover
Those should b fine
signal plover
Got T21 2pc?
frank veldt
nope missing that
signal plover
Not needed just curious
prisma crane
what do your talents look like?
signal plover
And what's your ilvl?
frank veldt
ilvl 928
prisma crane
get into some LFR and try to get your hands on some T21, 2p is all you need for it
frank veldt
talents are 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 if that makes sense
prisma crane
you don't need it, but it helps
frank veldt
tried for 3 weeks, had bad RNG on the second piece of T21
signal plover
I'd say switch to SB instead of shockwave
Maybe even avatar since u don't have 2pc
prisma crane
SB with a focus macro helps a ton
i wouldnt use avatar
still more dmg with RF and it's one less thing to manage if he's overwhelmed
signal plover
Macro into BC and fire away at start? But yeah not necessary
signal plover
Use CDs more liberally and don't worry about saving orbs too much
supple path
My "oops" moment on that was consumables. Drums in particular made a massive difference.
prisma crane
bear tartare
use it
makes movement a lot easier in that fight
that way you can save your leaps and charges for when you really need it
frank veldt
got that, honestly I can get him down to about 50% but then i mess up either on stacks or adds and get wiped.
warm plinth
I mean, you can't really mess up on stacks unless you're sitting in there til you have 8 every time
Adds shouldn't even be relevant unless you're super low ilevel; they'll die very quickly at 920+
crystal tartan
infernals kb can fuck you up at any ilvl
frank veldt
yeah i dunno what im doing wrong then, maybe too many stacks
seems like some of the adds do a massive amount of damage or debuff me
im gonna take a break from it for a bit
formal forum
Could anyone give me an opinion on these stats as far as m+ goes? Sephuz for Warbringer procs on trash? I usually set focus a melee to intercept stun adds, but is that the way to go?
warm plinth
What are your options for legendaries? Stats don't really matter tbh, but yours look good
formal forum
all legendaries
signal plover
Belt gloves
warm plinth
Yeah I would probably use belt/gloves or bracers/belt if you needed the healing.
Pants are effective on certain bosses
signal plover
Shouldn't rly need em unless ur doing really high tyr and even in that case bracers would be better for the sustain
formal forum
Ive seen, such as timbermaw and medivh
signal plover
Medivh pants are solid yeah
formal forum
Bursting they are extremely effective on
warm plinth
Timbermaw?
warm plinth
You don't need pants for Oakheart
formal forum
Crushing Grip
warm plinth
Spell Reflect is up for every grip anyway
formal forum
magic damage
signal plover
U can do both breath and grip with oants I guess
formal forum
What about 4 piece? Is the bonus all that beneficial?
warm plinth
It's actually stronger in M+ than it is in raids, but it's not mandatory.
formal forum
Im sorry for all the questions, but this is really the last one I think. Why are stats not important
warm plinth
I mean, they are in the sense that they have an effect, but ilevel is better due to higher armor/str/stamina. You could do all content with any combination of stats (though if you had like suuuuper low haste, you'd notice it); that's what I meant by not really important.
You have low crit, high haste, almost capped avoidance, good mastery; your setup is pretty optimal tbh
formal forum
Well thank you very much for your time. Much appreciated
warm plinth
Sure thing man. One more thing; on ST, you might use bracers instead of the belt (especially bosses that hit hard like Aggronox in Cath). Belt loses effectiveness on ST since you're only hitting one target and bracers are BiS if you need the healing (defensively)
formal forum
Definitely. I always isolate the belt to my trash set
OH
My original question
Opinion on Warbringer proccing sephuz for trash?
I usually focus a melee to intercept stun
throw out glaives, shield block, neltharions fury (all with BC ofc)
I did 11m dps on the wyrms in Upper lol
Obv alot from glaives, but alot from Scales of Earth and mostly revenge with that haste
warm plinth
It's hard to say tbh. My gut instinct says it could be better on trash than either legendary in the right circumstances. But it's probably situational and has too many variables to make it a go-to legendary for aoe
formal forum
thats my problem. I'm so scatter brained about sets, I've made 20 of em
warm plinth
If you want to give it a try I'd replace gloves first and see what kind of difference it makes. Even if you don't need belt's effect for that particular pack, having Demo ready to go for the next pack has to be taken into account
formal forum
Yeah I'ma run it just to test
junior ivy
i just spent 5k gold on golden carps this is w hy im always poor in wow ๐ฆ
formal forum
Toss me 5k gold and I'll draw you some golden carps and mail it to you
formal forum
;/
shrewd solar
How do Warriors play in high Mythic+ or Raids? I REALLY want to play one, but I also dont want to suck in mythics.
west kayak
Define "High M+". ๐
shrewd solar
Um 20?
I mean Im not gonna go pro
but I also dont want my friends to get pissy because we can't push something high or finish mythic antorus
prisma crane
20 we can do
west kayak
Prot is fine for both.
prisma crane
of course BDK will always have an easier time, but 20s arent too bad
not at all
and mythic, we're solid
many of us are deep into mythic or even 11/11
sick sentinel
Hey, just wondering if the 40k rune is worth buying
Will it be scaled for BFA
it is if you are playing alot
And any expansion after
if you are doing progression or m+ you will die alot
Yes I do progression
Coven prog atm
Lots of deaths coming haha
Will it be useful in BFA tho
probably not
it is still good for leveling
I might just buy anyway
Lots of deaths will be happening soon
shrewd solar
Cool thanks, and how do you guys feel about BFA for warriors?
Have they put Ignore Pain back on the alpha yet?
prisma crane
check out #410902883165405214
shrewd solar
thanks!
prisma crane
np ๐
granite dune
Any tricks for mythic Argus p3 orbs soaking as prot? Magic damage + away from boss (can't regen rage) = me dying early after 2-3 orbs most of the time.
Almost thinking of going with the double spell reflect charge leggo
prisma crane
it's fairly common
but just SR or stand and wait to get healed
or, have ppl actually stand near the boss
you can easily soak them as they get close and we can not only keep up rage for IP but also get more dmg out on the boss
granite dune
Yeah, I think I have a lot to improve as well in terms of figuring out how far away to go, and since it's early progression our raid is still not positioned great at this point
So might just get better with these two things over time
prisma crane
as someone who 2 tanks that fight, i know the difficulty there....
granite dune
haha, we do 3 tanks but I'm very much off spec (usually DPS) so learning as I go ๐
prisma crane
plus a lot of classes can actually soak them here and there
so getting all of them isnt a must
granite dune
Keeping immunities for chains is probably a much better investment though
prisma crane
but as far as tanks go, we're among the worst orb soakers, so if you're the 3rd tank just for soaking... it's not great
dont need immunities
druids can bear
ret pallies have the buff all the time in last phase so 30% dmg reduction
rogues can get em
H Pals if topped can just eat it
DH with blur np
esp during meta for instant reheal
granite dune
True. Our tank comp is 1 dh 1 prot pal 1 prot warr
prisma crane
it's 7m dmg before anything
granite dune
as far as I understand prot pal sucks hard at orb soaking too
prisma crane
prot pal isnt too bad
granite dune
well same issue where if they aren't near the boss they can't sotr
prisma crane
their AM is a flat DR
yea but they can run in, use it, then soak for a bit
it'd be like SB working on them
granite dune
true
prisma crane
just wear lego boots
granite dune
haha, I'm thinking about it but I'm already pretty squishy in p2 when I get to tank the boss so I'm keeping bracers for now
prisma crane
but yea it's 7m dmg, before vers, before avoidance
and before any other DR
bracers arent great on this fight
granite dune
(and I use gloves because we need all the dps we can get to push p1 at this point...)
granite dune
I got fucked a few times by argus delaying his scythe and running out of SB
granite dune
is it consistent?
granite dune
heh ok
granite dune
haven't really seen enough p2 at this point to figure it out ๐
prisma crane
but even then you get used to it
granite dune
yeah I'm not tanking in p1, so at least I'm safe from that
dps + escorting blight+fear
thanks a lot for the advice, I'll switch leggos next time and see if it goes better!
prisma crane
mhm
if you're not on the boss all the time
may as well go boots and legs
and go full nanny mode
until you feel the dps checks more
you'll find raid dps overall goes up as ppl get more familiar with the fight
granite dune
I'm pretty much always on the boss p1+p2
and can do ~ย 1.3M dps in p1 with my current build
with extra SB uptime with bloodmirror I might do a bit more in p1
I think in p3 I'll just try staying closer, it's hard to tell how it will end up in the end, currently our positioning is super bad since we're just starting progress on that phase
prisma crane
you're not going to get much more than about 6 extra seconds of SB uptime with the legs btw
the charges dont charge concurrently, it's sequential, so provided you arent sitting on charges without the legs, you gain nothing but the one extra charge at the start
granite dune
true, duh
I mean, slightly more than 6s since I have more than 100% uptime during hero
but doesn't make a big difference
hardy walrus
hello boys im trying to take 8 stacks of scythes in las phases of Argus H how are you tanking it?
prisma crane
100% uptime requires 116.7% haste, so you dont have over 100, but the falloff is slower, yea
just time your SB and CDs well @hardy walrus
LS at last second can span over 2 scythes
same with SW, but it's really tight
can always take the second one to the face if you want as well
dont forget about NF either
can use NF early to have it back again later
hardy walrus
mmm
prisma crane
dont use SB unless you're about to get scythed either, that way if he does a cast before it you'll still have it up for the actual scythe
and dont waste charges when you dont need them
it's about every 9ish seconds iirc in the last phase
if it's every 9, you only need 44% haste to reach it, so during lust it's cake
and outside of it, can just fill in the gaps when they arrive with CDs or NF
and dont forget you can ask for externals either, GS is a particularly strong one
hardy walrus
yeah
should i use DS and LS as soon as i need them? mean like 3 scythe
or should i save them for afther?
im trying to place my cds with this calculator https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pv6xnZQKFwzAUzPvKmXtGje8zMLQasQK9dpA0YgONd4/edit#gid=1731903220
and seems like i should take the 2 first scythe just with SB then for the 3 LS+DS+SB
and for the 4 LS+DS(still)+SW+SB
hardy walrus
for the 5 just NF but afther that idk if i will have my cds again xD
i have 954 t20 4s + t21 2s
prisma crane
you dont really need the 4p2p for that fight
but with that you should have your CDs up a lot
do you have any avoidance
?
hardy walrus
6%
prisma crane
it's something at least
hardy walrus
yeah , is hard to find avoidance gear xD
round hornet
I think the psreadsheet in cosmo's pin can be used for heroic
I havent used it myself tho
prisma crane
it can, yes
up to 30 stacks
my record for LFR is like 28
normal is around 21
both of those were just tanking til boss died though
idk my best for heroic, nothing special since i just yolo it every time
and mythic i've lived through 6, but that wasnt on purpose
hardy walrus
ill see it
prisma crane
but ppl here have definitely gotten nice stack counts for heroic, i think @ember arrow has a solid stack count
hardy walrus
ty for the help guys ๐
prisma crane
[whooshing sounds]
sick sentinel
I should try to see how many stacks I can get
But damn 18 is a lot @ember arrow what leggos did u use for that?
round hornet
maybe a memebuild run? XD
prisma crane
iirc no
sick sentinel
Hugh
prisma crane
can relatively comfortably get every 6th scythe with NF
so then you just have to work out the other 5 between each time
with 0 haste i believe you'd get 3 of those 5
it gets a lot easier if lust is used later in the phase rather than right as everyone resses
merry cave
I've done 18 with memebuild (90% mast and 2pce t19), was chunking me pretty hard through block at that point
Hard to go higher withd dps now
round hornet
Do it in a sales run lmao
kind glen
I did 15 on heroic, but only had 50% mastery. I just kept expecting to die but never did.
ember arrow
that can also happen
hybrid grail
Iโm gonna be in in about an hour and 20. So 1800 pst. Would some of yโall be willing to teach a noob through a few dungeons on how to tank. Any help is greatly appreciated
Oh Iโm lvl 66 as well
prisma crane
use shield block, use ignore pain, dont miss shield slam procs, dont waste rage, use revenge for dmg
merry cave
LVL 66 do we even have more than shield slam and thunderclap at that point
kind glen
I think revenge?
prisma crane
you have IP by then, i think level 40
revenge is an early ability
SB is early ability
you have devastate, but not devastator, but SS procs are still a think
white valley
Can you get empowered by the pantheon outside antorus?
Im being told it only works inside antorus. But i was pretty sure its based on the trinkets not the shit cunts watching us getting killed by a pretty boss
fathom hollow
fading kernel
got a 950 titanforge socket t20 legs, can I use them with a 935 helm?
or think its not good enough
or still not high enough ilevel
undone sun
Depends on what you have for higher ilevel
T20 4pc is worth using if it's comparable ilevel, but worth dropping if it's a 25 ilevel difference
white valley
Ahh ok ty Ploppy
fading kernel
its a cool souvenir then at least
hybrid grail
can you be healed while Ignore Pain is on?
icy veins says no, but everything doesn't say anything about it
undone sun
Where does it say that on IV
restive scroll
come on eu serv', we'll get you those 3k :/
restive scroll
right to, that's not an easy key this week =)
hybrid grail
@undone sun 6.4.2 under rotations, cooldowns, and abilities. https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
undone sun
It is also worth noting that unless you are about to cap your Rage, you should try to avoid using Ignore Pain Icon Ignore Pain when you are at full health, since this prevents any HoTs you may have on you from actually healing you. Against physical attacks that can be blocked, you already have Shield Block Icon Shield Block to make sure that hit is not spiky, and then you want to Ignore Pain right after that hit so that even if you do not receive heals, you will still not be low on health. that itself is wrong, and it's pretty much just saying the current HotS you have on you when at full health + IP buffer means it'll go into overhealing, nothing to do with not receiving healing
restive scroll
there's so much wrong with this page, don't harm yourself thyme :3
undone sun
Oh i'm well aware how inaccurate it is
New writers soon, hopefully they'll give more accuracy
restive scroll
But fear not, the writer has gotten the first world kill for 5 years now ;)
hybrid grail
okay, i'll just use some of this info to start and then once i'm going figure stuff out on my own
undone sun
The guides in the pins in this channel are already much better than most of IV
restive scroll
or you can check the pins, they did a great job.
hybrid grail
or i can check the pins
Did my first tanking dungeon on Utgarde Keep. Learned a bunch, died on first pull cause somehow ALL of the initial mobs got pulled instead of the ones i wanted.
then died on the boss who can revive skeletons and freeze my party, but they finished it.
Other than that, I had a great time.
Need to calm down and not just smash my buttons in a panic
timid jay
2/4
vital fulcrum
yo guys
/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44311))
does this still work for the hidden apperance?
undone sun
T21 4pc requires you to get hit while blocking on ICD, won't always happen
In theory the overall absorbs are close
timid jay
The extra rage generated from 2/4 would be higher due to bracers
But aiming for just a high HPS is in itself pointless unless you try to go for logs
undone sun
Right, hps /=/ survivability
signal plover
@vital fulcrum yes
vital fulcrum
okay my shitty luck made me doubt the script =/
signal plover
Sounds accurate for that hidden
rose orbit
hey, new here, does anyone have some nice tanking UI's to share? been at it for over a week now and i still can't get my UI to be the way i want
it
currently extremely cluttered esp. in raids with dbm
timid jay
Mostly a question for #ui-addons-manager
rose orbit
right, thanks
thought it was appropriate here cause im just looking for smth specifically for prot warrs
but thanks
๐
timid jay
There are a couple of pinned WA's over at that channel that are spec specific
still plank
Just got 960 inescapable dread from my cache? Is it very good. Much higher ilvl than what I've got. Currently using dark moon card Heroic guardian module
undone sun
Nope
ember arrow
prob worst trinket in the game
undone sun
Not as good as DMD's consistency but also Guardian module is... well 
ember arrow
ALERT
undone sun
Neither have main stat so nothing really of value is gained/lost
mellow dove
https://i.gyazo.com/9838bad5c747a2e983f1244da4c54a26.png
this is pretty meh, right? seems like it either doesn't shield much at all or takes forever to build up
junior ivy
alrighty it is chest timeeeee
jade socket
@mellow dove yeah its not amazing
its actually pretty good for dps in high keys though
mellow dove
because of the mastery?
ember arrow
how is that good for dps?
safe parrot
@timid jay yeah its for logs, which is why ima sking
jade socket
to survive
ember arrow
wrong spec channel?
safe parrot
thanjs
jade socket
yeah
mellow dove
i see
mellow dove
i see. ill definitely keep it then
safe parrot
twf or belt?
timid jay
Idk why you want to log for that though
twf if you want to log HPS
belt reduces damage taken
junior ivy
i wanna die i got gloves
safe parrot
twf totals more rage than belt would give you?
junior ivy
WHY DO I NEVER GET UPGRADES
timid jay
Yes
junior ivy
i got 960 gloves i already have 965 ones for when im not using leggo
this makes me so angry
i just want an upgrade
junior ivy
sucks ๐ฆ
i should be used to never getting upgrades by now. oh well lol
at least i have some fresh transmog runs to do ๐
restive scroll
@prisma crane I feel you, got mostly crit gear the last 15 chests :(
prisma crane
that's the spirit Cat
and yea Hogo, i can get over 44% crit without much trouble atm
restive scroll
okay
restive scroll
The pulls are small enough to not really be a danger
fortified bolstering skittish
prisma crane
ah, maw isnt bad
junior ivy
i prefer maw on fortified i think
restive scroll
you don't need to rush it, although timer isn't very large
prisma crane
esp if ppl kill stuff evenly
junior ivy
although i dont mind helya as much now that i learned to SR as soon as i pull tentacles
prisma crane
mariners suck, so if you can skip em, do it
restive scroll
Nah, not in 20
prisma crane
yea, harbaron is the hard one, not helya
restive scroll
Skip is usually not worth it
prisma crane
yea
prisma crane
not bad
restive scroll
Horror, don't go there
prisma crane
up the boat?
prisma crane
yea you can skip them by leaping off the boat
restive scroll
suicide or boat skip?
prisma crane
onto the ledge
prisma crane
ah, i just leap up
restive scroll
I though they fixed that one
timid jay
boat skip still works
restive scroll
On dh/drood, i knew it was still there, but i though warrior wasn't possible anymore
junior ivy
what will; lower kara be like this week?
restive scroll
we may have differents view on this :D
junior ivy
those are holding me back from 3k
prisma crane
i mena, you can do it, but it's not amazing
restive scroll
I don't think this is that bad, you just have to be carefull what you pull
junior ivy
trash is hard, bosses are hard
prisma crane
just have to watch out with "big" mobs surrounded by lots of low HP ones
restive scroll
Like in moroes room, no big with little ones
That's an instance i don't mind to be honest
junior ivy
and my thing with lower kara is even when it seems to be going well, good luck making the timer. you finish the girl boss and think yay almost done, we can do this
then you get to attumens room
and realize there is 2 million more trash mobs
restive scroll
can't really be worst than beauty and the beast on tyra necro :/
Meh
go to moroes after opera
you'll utilise more lust
especially on a wype
restive scroll
don't
:D
next week will be better imo, if you don't want to go higher than 20 ~
junior ivy
isnt next week tyrannical necrotic again?
restive scroll
I think they changed it to tyra griveous
undone sun
Teeming volc tyr
restive scroll
at least on this site planning
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
junior ivy
i hope it changes..
restive scroll
Oh right, griveous is next week, thanks thyme
(thanks correcting me for the boat skip, it's not even that hard !)
junior ivy
ill have to learn how to do that
smoky oak
compact geyser
Just got a heavy crit helm upgrade. This is now the weekly reminder that the crit/ravager/bladestorm helm helm build exists. ๐ ๐ ๐ค
storm slate
are Devastator +Vengeance the best talents for Mythic Plus?
shut summit
BV instead of veng typically
storm slate
BV makes sense but is Devastator viable without Vengeance or should I be using Indom?
timid jay
Devastator always
shut summit
Ye always deva
storm slate
thanks for the info!
prisma crane
there's no interplay between deva and vengeance
though, arguably, vengeance is better with deva because you have more GCDs to weave with
regardless, as said above, always deva
nova bloom
Smoldering Titanguard / Apocalypse drive. is that a good trinket combo for M+ lmao?
prisma crane
i tend to go more offensive
but with large enough pulls the titanguard does a lot of dmg
nova bloom
This week's affixes are bolstering, skittish, fortified.
prisma crane
titanguard is pretty bad for skittish
since you're doing nothing for 3 sec
and apoc is great for phsyical dmg reduction, but eaten up quickly by quick hitting small hits, better for bosses imo
nova bloom
Yeah, all I have is the argus prot trinket, a 975 horn of valor and moonglaives.
timber nest
is there a website that tells me what the best thing to spend my sargerite/bloods on?
timber nest
that feeling when your guilds disbands then you need to find another semi-hardcore guild thatll let you play prot warrior in bfa
undone sun
Prot warrior in bfa ๐ that's going to an even bigger Feat of strength than in NH
timber nest
lol ya
round hornet
did they come up with new talents yet?
honest mantle
lone umbra
Is Jawbone still good now that Diima's is a thing?
restive scroll
yeup, nice dps
errant wing
jawbone is op fam
restive scroll
congrats :)
lone umbra
ty โค
undone sun
Great for aoe
lone umbra
lmao
my DK co-tank was unimpressed I was like, dude, yea it has stam, but 10k vers when it its 5 targets? cmon
stark sage
in raids its not as impressive, but in m+ its a beast
lone umbra
nah for sure, I was hype for it cuz of m+
errant wing
also, can be used at the same time with other on use trinkets
stark sage
^ reason its good on fury
lone umbra
oo that I didn't know, about the on use, that's pretty sweet
errant wing
yah battle cry jaw bone monn glaive does nutty dps even for tank with big dick pulls
timid jay
?
stark sage
were u yellow go
final mist
timid jay
timid jay
You know it
undone sun
:thinking:
oblique pike
how would i go about getting DPS numbers for prot warrior netherlight crucible row 2? the way bloodmallet has?
timid jay
Best way would probably be to sim it
Same theory should apply to prot warriros just fine
oblique pike
are the sims on raidbots the right ones?
undone sun
The default apl is acceptable, yes
oblique pike
acceptable? is there a better apl?
undone sun
Though, afaik the relic compare module is still iffy because it doesn't properly split the runs
timid jay
Might need to run it yourself then
junior ivy
well i ran a maw 19 for practice
10 seconds past timer lol
would have it but a pally had to relaod his ui before first boss
reload*
round hornet
shoulda pulled without em, nothing for them to heal at the start since you can SR the slashes ๐
junior ivy
also ive realized the biggest 'advice' i get ona regular basis when tanking m+s
is to do bigger pulls
but im scared to !
it was bolstering!
do people really pull 2-3 packs on bolstering?
warm plinth
Bolstering isn't really that dangerous if the pack is composed of mobs you can keep close together and have similar health
round hornet
it depends on if the mobs are similar in hp or not
like
I wouldnt pull all the trash and the boss in a maw
too much like differences in hp would garuntee you get retarded stacks
from like the small stuff like birds
warm plinth
She's PUGing anyway so pulling any huge packs is really out of the question, especially if not using voice coms.
sick sentinel
even if you are some of the pulls are really dangerous with bolstering some of them can be easily done tho
but you cant kite with skittish so in high keys you have to fight adds
with just little kiting around
warm plinth
You can pull similar health large packs in that situation if you didn't have abilities that have to be mitigated, but pulling all that trash in Maw (e.g. first boss trash) would be asking for deaths with the spear, brackwater blast, flame blast, etc.
restive scroll
Of course, but under 3k, in pugs, i usually assume that people are stupid/bad. that way it's still fine to do
Skittish though, have to be carefull on bigger packs, since they never ever wait to burn every CD they have
sick sentinel
all dps should do wait 2 secs for you to gather em together and do your burst before they do
prot aoe burst is more then eonugh to keep aggro in skittish weeks
lone umbra
yea I haven't considered skittish an actual affix since like, nighthold
plus with warlord's challenge talent
even easier
restive scroll
"should" wait. They don't. and especially on spread packs such as the 3d of hov, it's pretty tough
full swan
4pc t21 any good if you have specific ilvl upgrades to replace the tier with? I think my off pieces are 970 ish and tier is between 945 and 950. Thoughts? I mostly tank M+
sick sentinel
4pc is good for big aoe pulls but not needed
im not using it if im not doing some crazy pull that i cant kite
warm plinth
Yeah no mass grip is what really sucks for us on skittish imo. DPS don't wait for mobs to gather and so you're struggling to play catch up sometimes
sick sentinel
%90 playing with 2pc
full swan
For raiding or m+
Main spec is dps so I'm not worried about raiding
Just enjoy tanking for high m plus keys
prisma crane
@oblique pike pretty much shadowbind or torment the weak, the rest are meh, imo for dps
lone umbra
is 4pc t21 that big of a difference in IP numbers across a mythic raid boss encounter? I have 950 tier helm and shoulders but 965 off pieces helm and shoulders with better stats...
undone sun
Depends on the boss and active tanking uptime
lone umbra
imonar for example, the boss (so far) where I seem to get hit the hardest
anything before imonar is on farm, kin'garoth doesn't hit too hard, vari is w/e, haven't killed vari yet so coven/agg/argus are in the (hopefully near) future
undone sun
Definitely has hard hitting melees but a lot of the damage can come when not actively tanking
Not effectively putting 4pc to use
full swan
But 4 pc is strong for m+ ya?
lone umbra
true
lone umbra
yea a lot of the times that I used to die on PK were when I wasn't even tanking lmao
full swan
I have 950 tier and 970 off pieces with way better stats. You suggest keeping 4 pc though?
I don't tank during raids only m+
lone umbra
I think, and this just kind of occurred to me, that if you're not dying to melee hits, 4pc isn't really needed, in m+ you're actively tanking basically all of the time so I could see 4pc being worth it...but that's if you're having trouble living
undone sun
Melees definitely have a big part in it
timid jay
You do forget that having 4p while taking consistent melee hits will leave you at a higher EHP
And thus more likely to survive other stuff
prisma crane
yea, often overlooked is minor hits eating your IP, great example being on argus, we just have the soul bursts explode in the group and heal after, we're never at risk of it, but if you dont use SR while about to get a scythe hit, the explosion will eat all of your IP, leaving you potentially vulnerable to his subsequent hit
sick sentinel
no
prisma crane
just cant do 10 and 25 of the same difficulty
sick sentinel
only raids after SoO
prisma crane
you should still be able to do normal and heroic?
sick sentinel
fairly certain SoO is when they introduced running the same raid on multiple diifficulties
prisma crane
hmmm
junior ivy
hm
prisma crane
i dont run old stuff enough, so im 100% ok with being wrong lol
junior ivy
i should know cause i run old stuff constantly
warm plinth
Easy way to test. Put on heroic, do first boss, go back out, put on normal, go in, check difficulty. If it automatically puts it back to heroic, you can't do it on two in the same week
sick sentinel
do you use the addon AllTheThings cat?
sick sentinel
when you get saved to something itll show a checkmark next to the raid, or in the case of any raid past soo a checkmark next to the difficutly you did it on
junior ivy
i just got a 2nd spawn of horridon lol
prisma crane
fuck
i need to run that with you
i need both the ToT mounts
im just way too lazy
junior ivy
i dunno how you have so many mounts yet dont run old stuff much lol
prisma crane
i still need Ashes, mim's head, firelands mount from alysrazor, 2 in dragon soul, HFC reaver, blackhand kodo, and a few others i think from raids
yea 320 atm
um, just get every easy one to get
though i still dont have all the JC mounts
prisma crane
too cheap for em atm even though they are cheap AF
junior ivy
yeha ive run out of mounts on the AH i cna afford
prisma crane
i have all store mounts
junior ivy
next on my list is minion of grumpus, gonna sell a buncvh of 15s to afford it
prisma crane
and 3 TCG mounts
i might even have an extra grumpus one on an alt
it was easy to get the first wk it was out
some ppl farmed like 10 of them
timid jay
junior ivy
wow haha
and uyeh i mworking on order of the cloud serpent rep and baradins wardens rep
but omg alliance never owns tol barad
prisma crane
lol, i did that all in WoD, it was tedious
im missing a bunch of instance mounts too
though i accidentally bought 2 of them on the BMAH trying to waste other ppl's gold
junior ivy
i need the blue protodrake
prisma crane
yea i need that, the drake from uldum instance, the stone one from deepholm or w/e it's called
um...
junior ivy
oh i am also SUPER CLOSE to getting glory of the thundering raider (1 achv left) and glory odf the pandria raider (1 achv left)
hoping to get both this week
junior ivy
i have all them except the wod and legion ones, once i get those 2
and i do have hellfir,e did that last week
prisma crane
the rares with 100% drop chance, there's 6 from that alone
junior ivy
yeah im missing all of them cause i literally did not play wod at all
the only wod mount i have is the one i got from grinding out wod flying
prisma crane
2 boars from the cat rep
most of the WoD mounts are just from vendors
just go to wowhead and find the mount guides, there's a shitload that are relatively unknown that you can get fairly easily
i dont have the 300 toy mount yet either
prisma crane
yea it's a sky golem
prisma crane
yep
prisma crane
i dont have any of the 4 bird swarm pet mounts either
junior ivy
oh me either. cause i never bothered doing pet battling
like i dunno how it even works
prisma crane
there's like 30 mounts that are "easy" to get that i dont have yet
i just need 350 for when they add another achieve
prisma crane
never say never ๐
junior ivy
haha i spent all of legion working on this!
prisma crane
im at like 28 or something
but im missing 1 piece here and there
just have to run with a lot of your same class, can farm em quickly
the only thing i used to collect was shields
junior ivy
i just solo everything
junior ivy
what was it
prisma crane
dropped in Maraudon
a shield that reflected dmg
some little round one with a skull on it
junior ivy
i have a section in my bank i labelled (with a bag addon) "keepsakes"
i have uh, the scepter of the shifting sands in there
and haunted memento
and a couple other things lol
agent of nozdormu badge
prisma crane
i was so excited, equipped that shit right away
that was when being in all epics was a big deal
i thought it reflected dmg back, but i guess it's armor
maybe it changed, idk
junior ivy
i have that appearance so i must hvae gotten it at some point lol
god damnit i still get killed by snails and i run ToT weekly
plain ice
Thinking about boosting a second tank to 110. Which class would be the best for soloing content like m+ for fun and for carrying m+ keys
round hornet
I think vDH is the best at soloing m+
prisma crane
real question?
BDK
VDH technically best for soloing
but only if you're planning on spending HOURS soloing like 20s
BDK just too strong in M+
just look at the MDI
lone umbra
yea I use my blood dk for helping guildies with their 15s and pushing higher keys over the warrior tbh even though my warrior is 10+ ilvls over the bdk
prisma crane
mass grip, consumption, self heal, AMS
welcome to huge pulls that make even mediocre dps do large aoe dmg
plain ice
Are they reliant on specific legendaries?
timid jay
?
prisma crane
^
prisma crane
even more face rollllllll
timid jay
Its mostly convenience, and ST stuff
its nothing major from legendries but chest, bracers and shoulders are pretty big
plain ice
Damn. Seems like a no brainier to boost a DK then lol
timid jay
For raids and tyrannical legendaries will help
But outside of that I dont see it as necessary
timid jay
Mostly for necrotic
prisma crane
ah
timid jay
Otherwise nah
undone sun
Cloak, yeah
prisma crane
isnt it good for like mana worm ?
timid jay
I guess, but you can just vamp it or something
Not like DK's struggle with magic damage
prisma crane
to soak a million of them?
prisma crane
ah
undone sun
AMS already prevents further stacks from applying
Cloak is pretty much just the safety net
prisma crane
oh, thought it was like an extra charge
lone umbra
is there a point to using more than 20% vers on my gear?
prisma crane
that's an arbitrary number
unless you meant avoidance
avoidance no, it doesnt go above 20% (2200 rating)
vers is fine, but not as strong has haste defensively, but because ilvl is so important for us, no reason to purposely stack much of anything anyways
lone umbra
referring to I ahve 20% vers on gear and want to use jawbone, my Off Tank is telling me its terrible for m+ even
prisma crane
he's an idiot
vers doesnt have any DR defensively, in fact, when looking at it defensively, each subsequent point of vers is strong than the last (until 200% lol...)
and offensively it slowly loses relative value, but so does everything else
the beauty of jawbone was discussed earlier, doesnt proc the common trinket CD
so 10k vers is like a 22% dmg boost for 10 sec
which affects your next trinket on-use
and your BC window, etc
and 1 min CD so it's up often
particularly when you pull large M+ packs
lone umbra
yea I just used in a maw 14 and it was very noticeable, the amount of vers relative to my damage and especially my IP
prisma crane
it comes down to timing it well
but just watch VODs from the first MDI, everyone.... like... everyone, including healers, were using that + the glaives for the large aoe pulls.
granite dune
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pv6xnZQKFwzAUzPvKmXtGje8zMLQasQK9dpA0YgONd4/edit#gid=1731903220 is it me or the last stand hp mod is wrong? doesn't take into account Will to Survive trait
(Just making sure I'm not completely stupid since I'm super new to the spec)
granite dune
Oh cool, didn't notice. Thanks.
junior ivy
in a coven heroic pug. like usual. this group has 22 dps already.. this is huge
is it normal to tkae such huge groups
junior ivy
im not used to pugs this big lol
2/5/22 and he wants more dps !~!
apparently he wants 30+ people so he cna kick the bad ones and keep the good ones
god.
this is not going to go well
lmao
round hornet
cant even take more than 30
junior ivy
we have 29 right now, he said he wants 2 more dps and a healer
lol
so id unno
bosses have 11 mil hp ๐ฆ
ember arrow
hehe xd
glad holly
980+socket horn of valor from chest
ember arrow
decent ish
quiet delta
better than memento angoboda for tank dps?
stark sage
like with equal ilvls?
atomic gazelle
can i get a prot cruweight string bb thx
timid jay
( Pawn: v1: "simyourselflol": Strength=174.55, CritRating=1.35, HasteRating=109.96, MasteryRating=110.26, Versatility=90.92 )
ember arrow
no worthless
atomic gazelle
wait does sim generate cruweight strings?
timid jay
How do you think its generated? ๐ค
atomic gazelle
with simulation craft or what
timid jay
Yes, but if you're looking for defensive value you get MoS and bastion
Rest isnt worth much defensively
atomic gazelle
i just want somethign quick and easy for my offspec relics ๐ฆ ๐ฆ
hazy path
would you guys use dimma's or jawbone for m+ ? both 965
stark sage
use both
timid jay
For offense you sim it yourself, otherwise its worthless
And for defense, just get bastion traits
hazy path
not worried baotu defense
so
sim it how
last i asked
peopel said
sims are shit for prot
timid jay
Check pins
hazy path
oh ma god
๐
oh it's raid bots! sweet i already use for other toons*
SWEET
Caps
hazy path
yeah i know
i jsut meant i expected soemthign liek magic sim
done on your own computer like the ones for spriest
but that works let me go play around
thanks for the info
timid jay
npnp
jagged bay
๐
junior ivy
just one shotted heroic coven in a different pug
but that was the longest coven fight ive ever been in
bosses switched like 5 times
lol
half the dps was dead at like 50% and we managed it still
hazy path
xD well done
so sims are making me drop so much mastery apparently 66% was too much xD
hot light
hmmmm okies dokey
hazy path
Like if you need that extra button to stay alive use trink otherwise stick to belt and gloves
hot light
both my epic trinkets make on use bubbles, so i guess ill stay with belt and gloves. ty
ember arrow
ok
junior ivy
BE HAPPY FOR ME LEVKO
languid rose
ok
round hornet
๐
winged marsh
no
just hard mode
if your farming Mimrons you have to kill yogg saron without summoning any of the keepers
junior ivy
ok ty
celest portal
Hey guys I want to ask a question I havent been able to find the answer too. Im currently using 2pt20/2pt21, however I could equip full heroic ilvl t20 if I wanted too. Is it worth having base heroic ilvl 4piece t20 and heroic 2p t21 over 2p/2p and kakushans
undone sun
If you have comparable ilevel of t20, it's worth keeping but if not drop it at a 25 ilevel difference
2pc is worth less than 4pc is
celest portal
if I were to stop going 2p/2p would it be worth equipping 4p t21
undone sun
Defensively it's dependent on the fight but it's worth using
Offensively not if you drop ilevel for it
celest portal
so atm im using 945 tier shoulders and chest for t21, and 930 cloak and 915 pants for t20. I could replace them with 945 t21
jade socket
Jebaited
celest portal
oh I used to get invited to m+ runs by a particular group of friends in my old guild, and everytime it would be a carry run that they neglected to tell me about lol
winged marsh
home stretch
timber nest
960 diimas or 965 memento for heroic PK... ive tried both... debating on which sims better on paper
undone sun
oof
ember arrow
Ok
little rain
๐ฎ Grats catfriend