Just SB is enough, just what lines up for me
#protection
timid jay
True true, the first scythe is only 15M in p3 so with just SB it's barely a dent to your health
quiet cairn
Hi, is it true that Ignore Pain will be gone in BFA?
undone sun
Yes, current alpha changes are in the pins of #410902883165405214
So far it was just removed without a replacement, as it's alpha everything is subject to change
So there's a likelihood of it being replaced
quiet cairn
Alright, thanks, Thyme.
ember arrow
same reason ppl used SR on KJ big meteors
durr its fire its magic i dont look at dmg sheet durr
merry cave
Is NF meant to work on forging strike ?
wide creek
Is there a goal % for haste & mastery?
wide creek
wow
ember arrow
I.E. no
wide creek
keep stacking as high as possible. Will do. ty
ember arrow
WITHOUT sacrificing ilvl
quiet delta
chrono shard, memento angeboda, eye of command or gift of radiance for dps?
ember arrow
meme ento
quiet delta
ok
ember arrow
eye of command is pretty pointless for us
signal plover
Ya prot doesn't even have commanding shout
slate obsidian
π€¦
ember arrow
is this memes?
signal plover
Uhh guys I'm just pointing out one of our specs differences ok
copper bane
guys we starting argus MM and I heard its 3 tanks, 2 @ boss and 1 shielding from those orbs that come to the raid. The third tank should go full dps and just soak them. My question is which tank should go full dps -- we have warrior paladin and druid
gaunt dawn
silk mortar
Yup just wipe it, its over
signal plover
Any of the three honestly.
Warr prolly better for boss tho
Pally has some tricky am timing with boss tanking I think so maybe lean towards them soaking orbs
slate obsidian
it's actually like this: one tank at the boss, 2 tanks soaking orbs, and you rotate the boss-job
slate obsidian
well, in the first part of p3, but after you rezz at the tree you're gonna need all three tanks to be on the boss eventually
copper bane
thx guys
does the scythe hit really hard? (don't know what cooldowns to use yet)
I've seen the fifth one should kill you
vestal flax
copper bane
β€
drowsy geode
alrighty i just got Ararat's Bloodmirror (Lego Legs) now i have Sephuz, Soul, Grand and Aggramars, question is how good are the legs in comparison
in theory i could now keep SB up 100% correct?
junior ivy
can i go to hellfire citadel and kill bosses again even though i already have yesterday?
and jsut not get loot?
like legion raids
round hornet
on mythic they should be dead for your lockout
on other difficulties it works the same as legion stuff iirc, but you need somene else to let you into their lockout since they should be dead in yours
ember arrow
Ok
sick sentinel
π
round hornet
What do you use to soak SoulBomb+2xbursts?
true bear
a deathknight
signal plover
I need SW, LS, SR and titanguard and come out with like 30% HP. I also dump rage into IP a bit before
round hornet
does shield block mitigate it? I saw on the scythe spreadsheet that it appeared to but don't know for sure
signal plover
I don't think the avatar dmg is blockable
I may be wrong tho cuz the spreadsheet does show it further reduced.
prisma crane
we just send the bomb person out and have the bursts stay in the group
you can use spellward or personal bubble, or ankh totem for those healers
note the ankh totem requires them to die to the dot, the explosion overkills too much
slate obsidian
the avatar dmg is true damage, it doesn't belong to any dmg-school (physical, various magic dmg-types) so it's only reduced by stuff like SW, but not SR, armor and so on
signal plover
SR is to reduce the bomb explosion dmg
And yeah we use spellwarding for 2nd bomb and just sac the 3rd. That's interesting about the lack of classification cuz the spell is categorized as physical so I thought it may be reduced by armor.
round hornet
@slate obsidian thats whats weird about it though because its reduced by ironfur and stuff
zenith salmon
New to prot and just hit 90, is there a concensus on best talent for this this tier?
zenith salmon
i was thinking veng maybe or into the fray with how much we like haste
kind fjord
prisma crane
nope, not really
prisma crane
tbf, rarely does the "casual" player ever pick all the right talents with simply best guesses and trials. It's theorycrafters and guides that help us all. Take Indom, sounds amazing, but we all know it's crap relative Deva, but if you read it it sounds pretty good, etc..
and i say casual in a non-derogatory way, just as someone who simply plays the game and doesnt invest time outside of it looking up guides or questioning others as to why they do what they do or choose what they choose.
unborn island
Aanyone else find this an annoying m+week? Not overly difficult, just some bosses just 'annoying?
undone sun
Definitely not a fun week imo
sick sentinel
better then next one imo
at least you can kite if you get stacks
bolstering skittish π¦
junior ivy
nothing is worse than necrotic
ember arrow
especially things taht shudnt be kited normally
ember arrow
same
did +19 upper on dk and kept dyning on last boss because no ccloak
completed after 1.5 hours
got cloak
gg
ember arrow
bats
junior ivy
the bats got us.
everyonre refused to use discord
and then there was confusion when we got to bats
ember arrow
i wont set foot in seat, brh, lower
junior ivy
so many times we wipe to things that discord would have made trivial
and it bothers me when groupds wont use it
ember arrow
that means dps must keep calm or get smacked
junior ivy
NECROTIC AGAIN
ember arrow
i dont mind
sick sentinel
no kiting doing small pulls
ember arrow
dk will heal, war will take 0 dmg
ember arrow
im fine wit that
sick sentinel
i dont mind necrotic you just kite
junior ivy
i do okay with trash on necrotic
but bosses...
some bosses are in small areas
and cnat be kited
sick sentinel
i dont like bolstering because you have to do small pulls
ember arrow
depends
if all mobs have sameish hp
if u pull 2 mil hp critters with vileshard hulks
sick sentinel
but you cant do big pulls BRH since they all different hp
ember arrow
kiting becaue u run outa cds make sense, kiting because u are denied healing is annyoying
sick sentinel
skittish isnt really problem unless key is really huge and you have fury warrior
winged marsh
:(
ember arrow
competent dps wait 2 seconds
sick sentinel
or something with insane burst damage i generaly do more then enough damage to hold aggro
ember arrow
on skittish
sick sentinel
fury warrior arms warrior monks those classes has insane burst without tricks
junior ivy
im using this week for everything but keys and its fun for once
ember arrow
elemental shaman
junior ivy
glory of the hellfire raider, exalted with golden lotus, mythic guldan tonight
junior ivy
i need every cool mount
not just some
but ill never get them all cause some cost millions of gold or rela money
real*
sick sentinel
lol
i started doing heroic boosts lately
i was broke because of m+ feasts and repair
sick sentinel
guildies finding them
20 people core raider 10 people to boost each pay around 500k
good money since im doing heroic clear anyway
junior ivy
is sugar fish feast food better than the suramar feast?
sick sentinel
most of the specs right now gets more dps from their secondary stats and it makes sugar fish makes more valuable generaly
most of the casters and most of the melee
shadow otter
Regarding Ignore pain, is there a downside to casting 3x 20 Rage IPs vs 1x 60 rage IP?
languid rose
does matter if you proc tho
jolly crest
We'll assume he pays attention to procs like a good boy
undone sun
Ideally you do want to hold for full rage when you get a DS proc
languid rose
also 3 gcd's? Ignore pain?
undone sun
Technically not a gcd but you can't spam it like you can HoTP
jolly crest
We're warriors. We can't be expected to wait
next goblet
i finally did it, i finally broke the 4p/2p πΏ
i switched out my mannoroth bracers for 950s and put on my kakushans to replace 915 gloves
im upset but oh well, ill get over it
kind glen
I'll probably never leave bracers. They treat me so good.
next goblet
they treat me so good too, but i still have prydaz on for now
and i mean, switching from 915 gloves... biiiig jump
kind glen
I run gloves bracers. Prydaz is meh imo
brazen lion
Where is Never Surrender useful
brazen lion
Alright, thats what I'd read but just making sure.
And for legendries can you explain bracers are they just for after you take the big hits to heal back up or what, I've only tanked heroic but I haven't really seen any damage come through IP's shield other than the big hits.
I am also running prydaz.
undone sun
Bracers are BiS Defensively because they fill the gap of what our toolkit does not have, self healing. at least that's one reason why they're good
Prydaz is always mediocre for tanks
brazen lion
Im still hunting other prot leggos, i only have intervene chest atm
and bracers sorry
undone sun
π
sinful vortex
any of u got a link to the achievement discord
sharp dew
Into the fray+never surrender boys, the god tier talents Edit: can't forget 
solemn kelp
Hello π
Did a 1'10" NL +13 last night. It was horrible.
Rokmora handed me my arse. I simply couldn't work out what was needed to avoid necrotic stacks.
In the end, I tanked it without any aoe's, so the group could pull the crabby adds away and deal with them.
Seemed to work, only just though, was a pretty long fight.
regal knoll
Yeah I also didnt enjoy that fight this week....I think what needs to happen is (not sure).....start on one side and jump to the otehr side....but.....need coordination with group, since (and esp rdps) needs to be on the sides, or they get hit.....I got a NL+14, but not gonna pug that one.....
solemn kelp
our group makeup was two ranged dps and one melee dps
regal knoll
Just did EoA+14, getting there....ezzz dung for necrotic....but people made lots of errors....not the first time killing a boss without a healer π using lego shoulders and wrists....
Put them on the side, near the water
I'd jump back and forth, to get rid of necrotic....just theory, haven't tried it π
That's how I did giant boss in EoA
Need to wait for a skill the boss does where he stands still, casting....and jump
regal knoll
Not a pro myself lol, just learning too π
solemn kelp
still, whatever it takes to survive π
regal knoll
Exactly...you got shoulders at least? Shoulders/wrists is OP this week
solemn kelp
i do, I have both shoulders and wrists
regal knoll
Try it out, works like a charm for me......apart from that "spider room" in CoEN.....that one is a "/pray" room
undone sun
Bracers don't have any use for necrotic
regal knoll
Well, they saved me and my group tons of times mate
I single handedly downed last boss of MoS+10, couldnt do it without
But just saying what works for me ofc
solemn kelp
well i at least see the shoulders having good use
regal knoll
Aye indeed, just use what works for you π
Ofc, wrists don't have any healing use for necrotic high stacks. But good for surv π
solemn kelp
I use legs and walls ring
regal knoll
Don't have those....I switch between wrist/shoulders and wrist/gloves depending on the situation....those are my only legos atm
solemn kelp
Heh, just tried a +10 Seat
Saprish dominated
I couldn't lose my stacks, he runs too fast.
viral arch
@solemn kelp it probs works the same as for DKs, for you to reset your stacks on saprish you need your group to help you
make them maxrange the boss
umbral flanking makes him go to other targets, which gives you time
it also makes birdo jump to them, which gives you time on that front too
solemn kelp
thanks π
I did wait for his flanking... but it just never seemed like enough time...
viral arch
disclaimer: never done it as a warrior, only as VDH/DK
honest mantle
@solemn kelp shoulder legos are amazing for that fight
quiet delta
is there a spreadsheet for BEST legendaries and talents for prot warr for each Antorus Boss?:)
true hound
Does anyone know how the trinket Apocalypse Drive works with necrotic?
junior ivy
what shouild i do with my nethershards?
sick sentinel
buy toy maybe
junior ivy
omg tol barad is finally alliance controlled !!!!
austere stream
Hej, is Sal's guide in the pin still good?
harsh mulch
hows Writithing heart of darkness for prot warriros?
sick sentinel
its perfect for constant magic damage you take or high bleed damage
like seat 3rd boss or arcway caster boss
drowsy geode
quick question, i got the Legendarty Legs and using Heavy Rep i can keep SB up for a long ass time, in raids there doesnt seem much point in keeping it up for more than 10-15 secnods at a time because of tank swaps, is anyone aware of a haste break point where i could actually keep it up 100% of the time, not that im going to use it in practice just curious if im able to do it
sick sentinel
you dont need SB uptime %100
you only need SB up when you are tanking or for certain abilities like foe breaker and argus scythes
if you want to know breakpoint for haste without legendary legs and Heavy Rep its %117
and you want to play with AM for sure
sick sentinel
and you cant reach that %117 haste its not necessary also
drowsy geode
just thought itd be fun to see if i could reach it but 117% haste is an absolute no go for me haha, Lego legs would see some use in M+ im guessing for chain pulls? not a big pull per say but chaining lots of small ones together
ember arrow
No. Legs see barely any use
sick sentinel
legs are great for only some pulls where you need high magic damage reduction
ember arrow
Except on bosses on which u need more SR than every 25 sec
sick sentinel
like Seat packs and medivh and some caster bosses
drowsy geode
well thats going straight into the bank then, ive got Soul, Grand, Seph and Aggra as well so id rather use any of those
still hunting my bracers
sick sentinel
bracers is great defensive legendary
gives us insane self-sustain and always keep pants in your bags
spell reflect is so good in certain fights
drowsy geode
i normally just do a +10 M+ each week (im still not very good at M+ Tanking) and do Normal Antorus every week for my pantheon attempt
sick sentinel
i always keep pants sephuz kakushan mannoroth and thundergods in my bags
even if you do +10 i think its good for you to keep em
sharp lotus
is it okay to to weave instead if you find the battle cry spam not fun?
ember arrow
its ok, but then youre objectively lesss effective
unless you dont do content where it matters anyway
ember arrow
thats fine then, but then equipping t21 makes no sense
austere stream
How much ilvl can I ignore if I have 4t20/2t21?
austere stream
So to drop from H-Antorus about 920ish?
austere stream
Well, I mean...I don't have T20, I'm more curious about whether or not I should bother getting it.
austere stream
Is Booming still better than Vengeance without it?
austere stream
I have 21 4p, and I'm seriously, seriously considering breaking it.
austere stream
If I break it, I think I could go up as much as 4 ilvls (overall).
austere stream
Keep 2p
ember arrow
i would definitely kee 2p
ye thats fine
4p is onloy good defensively on fights wit blockable dmg
aggra, argus etc
austere stream
Right, and Antorus is so magic heavy.
austere stream
I'm just saying there's a lot of non-blockable like fire or shadow damage all over.
ember arrow
most damage i s autoattacks, PK has a physical dot, any magic dmg is raid wide or in short bursts
i woudlnt say thats magic heavy
even doggos breath is blockable and its magic dmg
sick sentinel
magic damage is alot raid-wide but raid-wide damage is never problem for tanks
things that hurts raid shouldnt hurt you at all unless its really high damage
austere stream
I have exactly 1,000 avoidance, and I can't figure out where it's coming from. I've checked my gear three times, and I don't see avoidance on any of it. Where am I getting avoidance?
austere stream
That's it. I see it now, thanks.
unborn island
@sick sentinel I always keep the shoulders/aggramars and the crafted belt as well...speed sets innit
unborn island
Tbh limited use outside corpse runs I find...but who knows
balmy narwhal
is there anything that i could use in order to have range aoe when i kite adds so i wont lose aggro?>
like engineering stuff or whatsoever?
dusk cloak
Heroic throw
sick sentinel
no professions are not really big tbh except CoS
and engineering is good because of pylon and auto-hammer but it doesnt have anything for damage that will help you
austere stream
Does anybody know if Entropic Embrace benefits IP?
safe fulcrum
Do we run tier 20 with tier 21 2pc?
undone sun
Not unless you have comparable ilevel
T20 4pc is worth dropping at a 25 ilevel difference
safe fulcrum
Kk ty
undone sun
<@&257983573498265600>
merry cave
watching MDI is frustrutating, medivh prot war got nerfed so fast
but brh mage bullshit is fine
deft sapphire
restive scroll
@balmy narwhal Being inge allows you to use frag bomb or something (bomb from wotlk) which is another stun. So yes, inge is still nice
wanton blaze
took a 2 months break from WoW and now my prot warr has 2.5 mil hp more on log in? Has there been a hotfix in our base hp pool or am I missing something from the picture?
undone sun
nothing comes to mind Β―_(γ)_/Β―
next goblet
indom spec?
grand trellis
Whatβs easier. Mythic HC, Eonar; PK
Weβre seriously doing something wrong on HC. On the 5th pod and only at %50
undone sun
Eonar>AHC>PK in terms of difficulty
silk mortar
Perhaps people dying can be the problem?
timid jay
Either people are dying or you have abysmal dps
silk mortar
Dying or people just dont know how to press keys hard enough
junior ivy
what dps should i take to upper kara 18
ember arrow
ranged
junior ivy
i got hunter and ret pally
restive scroll
so you already have 2 soak for Manawirm. A third would be nice considering it's tyranical (depending on how well they dps)
@undone sun I checked the reflect in VotW on the first boss, and you don't actually have to stand in the pool, just have to be on the beam
mellow dove
@deft sapphire mage thing is to spell steal the arcanist dmg buff thing that stacks up
then you blow up bosses with like 25m dps single target
stacking 50% damage increase
undone sun
Hmmm, interesting @restive scroll thanks
oblique quarry
Mage tower. Got food, got rune, got flask
any other buffs i could be taking in?
(using pots too)
undone sun
Lust/hero
oblique quarry
how?
undone sun
Drums of the mountain
restive scroll
or drums of fury
oblique quarry
that might help me burst the inqusitor down
ember arrow
id save it for last guy
restive scroll
better use it in P2, usually
final mist
P1 is doable with surviving, you really want to Burst the P2 boss down, you don't want to fight him for long.
ember arrow
^
ember arrow
on inquisitor or second boss?
ember arrow
nooooooooo
oblique quarry
i havent even seen kruul fight in person yet
ember arrow
u got t21 2p?
oblique quarry
4 p
shut summit
use BV / AM
hot light
I have a general question
undone sun
Belt/bracers are generally the most useful for the challenge
hot light
i am a 941 prot warrior , and im having a hard time finding a guild to tank for in my low pop server on the weekends
whats the best way to find a nice guild to fit into
ember arrow
@hot light uhm, well you gotta meet people, can look in #promotion , it also depends on what content u wanna do, mythico n low pop realms can be challenging to find
oblique quarry
oh i also have agrammarts stride
undone sun
They'll most likely help a lot more, only have small windows to pop AHR at full effect
Considering the debuff reduces stamina and AHR is based off of stamina
hot light
ty levko im just looking to clear heroic, so i can get my challenge weapon before BFA
ember arrow
then im guessing, maybe look on trade chat
undone sun
Also wouldn't think AHR would be easy to fully deplete to get enough damage out of it
oblique quarry
Is amanthuls vision or khazgaroth trink better here
final mist
Khaz doesn't proc often enough for you to use it over AT
oblique quarry
kk, brb punching kruul in the face
plain ice
930 relic with vrykul shield training, light speed, and dragon skin VS 940 relic with will to survive, infusion of light, and bastion of the aspects?
undone sun
Doesn't look like you have offensive options so bastion considering it's BiS
And worth dropping quite a lot of ilevels for
plain ice
i can also get shatter the bones or thunder crash on the 940
undone sun
Bastion is worth taking
7/7 is ideal for defensive purposes, 88% crit blcok DR is busted
undone sun
Likely just an infernal or an eye channel, kruul himself doesn't knockback iirc
oblique quarry
Dang
But still
massive improvement!
should i be using vers crit or haste food btw
plain ice
thanks @undone sun . and one more. 930 with rage of the fallen, murderous intent, bastion of the aspects VS 940 with toughness, chaotic darkness, and either dragon skin or rage of the fallen
undone sun
Personally i'd go with the 930
sick sentinel
guys, i was wondering, what talents should i use for raids?
undone sun
Updated guide is in the pins
sick sentinel
ok cheers
junior ivy
i had upper kara 19. failed timer. got upper kara 18, annoyed
ran it, 1 chested it, yay
new key.. upper kara 19 again
omfg
ember arrow
ye
languid rose
learning mage tower, <7mil hp, has aman'thul's ππ«
ember arrow
randomly dropped by far bis items for any classes are the best
languid rose
just imagine wanting to play multiple druid specs
3 pantheon trinkets?
4 if you really try hard
be upgrading them into tier 23
ember arrow
assuming u get the pantheon trinket u want on the spec u seet ur loot on when u got once a week opportunity
unborn island
any issues with soloing highmaul./brf?
restive scroll
a bit on butcher/maiden
unborn island
damage, or dps checks?
restive scroll
i had trouble on maiden with lower gear though, so i'm not sure
unborn island
I'll probs try normal first, assume that's easier
restive scroll
i'm still using lust & pot for butcher, and it's tight
(only talking about mythic)
mighty mauve
Any one know whether abdominal or devastator should be best? I want abdominal due to the larger health pool that we wars lack in having but it sucks cause the rage regeneration feels so slow when I swiched.
undone sun
Deva is alwasy better, as mentioned in the guide indom is only useable if you get one shot through mitigation, which is never
Rage gen is also significantly higher grabbing big benefist for DPS and survivabilility
Hp isn't the determining factor of tanking
mighty mauve
Yes that's true, just when I enter raids with a tank of 940 ilvl just like me but has 10 mil health and I'm over here with 7.5 mil as war makes me feel under him, if that makes any sense.
ember arrow
my 964 dk has just 10.4mil hp
u dont have 10mil hp unless ur bear maybe
at 940
or they got stam trinks
i understand what u mean, but hp isnt determining faactor, as thyme said
unborn island
i did a heroic argus pug with a warrior tank using indom before
he had 2m more hp than me
did 300k dps vs 1.2m
and took nearly 3x as much damage
ember arrow
hehe
unborn island
i literally had to stop autoattacking to not pull aggro >.<
mighty mauve
Yea that would make sense I never really buff up unless needed, And never really payed attention to if they have buffs plus I haven't enchanted of slotted any gems in which they may have..
ember arrow
buffs u mean stamina food/flask?
undone sun
Different tanks scale with Stam differently
mighty mauve
Yea.
undone sun
10.5 980
mighty mauve
Ok I feel a little better hearing that lol
ember arrow
warriors generally take negligible dmg, so hp doesnt matter that much, and warriors in general are either 100% or dead
ember arrow
95%
ember arrow
thats not bouncing
sick sentinel
80-100
ember arrow
its really hard to recover by urself from 20%
sick sentinel
U can't
ember arrow
wit wrists it will take a while
sick sentinel
Ull lose more hp before you get up
undone sun
Very punishing
ember arrow
without wrists, unless boss is almost dead, its better to die and reset
mighty mauve
Am I good with 25% haste and 45% mastery or should I change focus
sick sentinel
U need more haste
ember arrow
Stat Priority: (Prioritize item level) Haste > Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike
ilvl>haste
undone sun
It's fine but you almost always prioritize haste as a secondary
ember arrow
dont get haste whenever
sick sentinel
U need at least 30% haste
undone sun
No
sick sentinel
More haste the better, once u get to like 30% haste you can kinda stop focusing on it
ember arrow
nope
undone sun
Still wrong
ember arrow
u shud get as much as possible without sacrificing ilvl
undone sun
30% means absolutely nothing
ember arrow
it was from early legion, over 1.5 years ago
mighty mauve
Will have prot wars be wanted in raids in bfa? I'm affraid of how we will work with no ignore paoin.
undone sun
π€·
mighty mauve
I'm getting my dh up just in case.. and thinking about making a bear just in case too
zealous ore
Smart
ember arrow
unless u gonna do world first progress
t doesnt matter what tank u be playing
blizzard wont make specs literally unplayable, its not vanilla anymore
most difference will prob be for m+ utility wise
undone sun
People were wanting vanilla servers... Turns out instead of specific servers they're just reverting live back to classic π
ember arrow
classc was no good, atmosphere and player/blizzardo interaction was
alot of bad shit, unusable specs etc
- was people's first game so the rose tinted goggles are being equipped
undone sun
Week of farming for a day's use
final mist
Don't forget to farm for Fire resist gear for Onyxia
And also all of MC
And most of BWL
uncut adder
And remember to fish for stonescale eels, but you can only catch them at night so fuck you if you have a daytime job or school
full spruce
I play all 6 tanks now. Everyoneβs 960-970. Iβm ready for what tanks OP in bfa
Prefer to stay on warrior though. Alpha status
sick sentinel
well your gear wont mean shit after you reach max level
but knowing specs is good since you will understand what you are losing or gaining
full spruce
Just being comfortable on any tank is nice. Tank I βdislikeβ the most would be DH. Itβs fun in M+ but not my favorite in H ABT.
quiet delta
is impending victory affected by necrotic stacks?
since it states a part of your own health%
waxen talon
All healing sources are.
u might aswell not click impending victory with stacks at all :p
rich sage
Hi (Healer main here) I'm looking to play as a Tank for BfA and was wondering if Warrior is a beginner friendly tank to learn? Is it more unforgiving then other tanks?
waxen talon
All tanks kinda have their advantages tbh. but warriors have rather few cds and i feel like by starting out with learning warrior you will at the very least have a great toolkit for playin other tanks.
waxen talon
ignore pain prioer to boss slaps, Shiled block uptime etc.
ember arrow
DS/LS/SW/NF/SR
waxen talon
Well last stand + shield wall is only only major cds, and until we started runnin the 10 rage to reset 1 sec on cds
ember arrow
SW has 45 sec cd
LS has 50 sec cd
wit Anger management
thats not really major is it
waxen talon
Yeaa, but people didnt run anger management for the first ton of mounts, nor would i recommend to "new" tanks with fresh gear.
its not as baked into the spec as it could be.
ember arrow
AM is always better
why would u not run it wit fresh gear
Sb uptime isnt necessary either
waxen talon
heavy recup was better for a while.
ember arrow
its about blocked abilities>>> blocked hits
ye it was better be4 AM got buffed after NH i beleive
waxen talon
i feel like AM is broken cuz of the current rage generation levels.
ember arrow
no its not?
ember arrow
compared to other tanks's passive metigation and utility
ye ravager is completely useless
waxen talon
#ravager
ember arrow
and HR isnt as good
waxen talon
But generally prot can be really noob friendly if u desire.
i still see people runnin indomitable everywhere.
ember arrow
@rich sage warrior was unforgiving in legion atm, but if played well u took 0 dmg, its a bit spammy wit tt21 2p, its definitely easy to learn
they run indom when theyre not informed
doesnt make it useful
dps difference is 500k at least and u take more dmg
waxen talon
I guess if u were to progress raiding in a very casual guild the additional hp would prove usefull
but agree
i would never give up on my beloved devastator
ember arrow
no it wouldnt
wit the cdr from AM
u ALWAYS have cds for stuff
indom is only useful if u get oneshot tru cds, which was only the case early mythic odyn spears
only time i took it
waxen talon
what
i assume u mean after the release of devastor?
cuz prioer to it indom was a no doubt choice in my opinion.
rich sage
I see thanks for the advice! toss up between Warrior or Death Knight for me.
waxen talon
Death knight has wacky AM compare to warriors.
ember arrow
dk deosnt metigatedamage
ember arrow
they only heal it back
waxen talon
is still a AM
rich sage
hmm
waxen talon
agree.
but having to time the AM while being at max hp
is so fucking awkward.
blood dk + warrior is like opposite ends of the scale btw
waxen talon
best served cold + never surrender were so bad in the start
indom was a clear choice.
rich sage
How is Warrior in high level mythic+ dungeons?
ember arrow
wit wrists u got 1mil easily
rich sage
I read you need two certain legendaries to really shine ?
waxen talon
if u can put a blood dK on a boss
and have him not require EXTERNAL healing at all
why would u put a warrior there
ember arrow
i soloed multiple +21 bosses on warrior
waxen talon
ye wrists help
im too much in love with soul rings tho
@rich sage basically
u need gloves to do deeps
ember arrow
no
waxen talon
didnt exepect u could do that tbh
ember arrow
without them u just take dmg very slowly
waxen talon
but its not gonna stay relevant in next expan anyway ;P
ember arrow
what does that matter? this isnt about bfa
u can solo bosses on warr as well as on dk
waxen talon
well generally a big concern with non healing tanks is the fact healing tanks can get to a point of not needing externals
if u were to decide a main spec as tank rn i would assume its for BFA.
ember arrow
nah, still miles better
signal plover
BDK just got a very nice talent rework in alpha tho...
rich sage
Yeah I'm trying to look ahead to BFA (which isn't optimal right now considering its only in Alpha)
ember arrow
for m+
their talents are top notch
still got massive utility wit grip
both of them
waxen talon
hahah now that u mention BFA prot warriors.
signal plover
Let's not
ember arrow
unfinished
waxen talon
not here.
ember arrow
clearly unfinished
signal plover
We wait
rich sage
mhm
waxen talon
they better make warriors great again
signal plover
Warriors r great
waxen talon
greater
rich sage
but for legion warrior is decent for a beginner tank to learn right? I mean I play as a disc priest so i think im confident enough when under pressure.
waxen talon
i would believe so
ember arrow
definitely
waxen talon
ignore pain management was a huge aspect of early legion for me
and certain other classes dont have that
ember arrow
u mean press revenge/focused rage at 60 rage and IP at 40
waxen talon
also u need to keep in mind as a warrior u got freakin legendary mobility
and as a DK u need to get pulled thro ur dungeon group.
nah like
oh odyn is gonna spear me
i need to have 120 rage and press it twice
doh.
so much management
waxen talon
but it feels swag
to like heroic leap across the entire arena
and kiting in dungeons for when cursin at necrotics
ember arrow
i mean kiting on dk, or pala is arugably easier
rich sage
Yeah mobility would be a great plus. I mainly want to push mythics for now raiding later lol.
ember arrow
both have slow aoe that they can drop
waxen talon
bring back 24yard thunderclap range
ember arrow
that would be something
waxen talon
isnt prot warriors like the ultimate DPS tankin rn btw?
ember arrow
pala is
waxen talon
hm
ember arrow
seraphim
ember arrow
edgy teenager/emo girl
waxen talon
i was traumatised by sidewinders, ignite and fel rush
stop pullin fuckin shit in my dungeons
rich sage
Well right now I'll be starting 110 fresh so I'll work my way up. through the key levels as much as I can. It's more a matter of wanting to push to my limits lol. I really enjoy the whole mythic + scene.
waxen talon
fel rush into a pool of shit and die.
ember arrow
@rich sage i understand, but i woudlnt recomend taking prot above 23/24
it can be.. painful
waxen talon
just bring blood dk and 4 affli locks
waxen talon
lol
rich sage
No worries, I don't know if I'd honestly make it to +23 lol
ember arrow
in that case all good
waxen talon
if ur sticking with those 15-18ish, beign a prot warrior is just partyin around.
push tht deeps.
ember arrow
u can do some meme things, like reflectign chaotic energy
or hatred
for 10% of boss health
waxen talon
Spell reflect is like
the most fucked up mechanic in the game
like the tentacles at helyra
its physical damge why can u reflect their dot xD
waxen talon
still very fucked up
its like u press it by accident, OW IT DOES DAMGE
and u continuously do it for the rest of the expan
rich sage
yeah i think its more reasonable for me to stick between 15-18 honestly. at least i know i can get through 17 on my disc. phew.
but good to hear its a great pick for the key levels im used to
waxen talon
its a melee tentacle slappin you, giving you a bleed dealing damge over time with physical damge
sick sentinel
prot is really good if dungeon is tyranical
waxen talon
theres no logic behind designing it as a flame shock.
sick sentinel
im not even kidding we are better then blood dk for most of the bosses
waxen talon
i miss old tyrannical where u wiped 10 times to a boss.
sick sentinel
we can reflect block and have good mobility to escape some of tbe abilties
but fortified is the main weeks for push keys
sick sentinel
and people just chill at tyranical weeks or play with people they play every week
sick sentinel
it got easier actualy bosses used to have %30 more damage
then lowered to %25 now %15 only
sick sentinel
if im not mistaken but with more traits and higher gear yeah it got easier
rich sage
so why do i usually see more DK over Warriors in Mythic plus, its only for that survivability right?
ember arrow
massgrip/ST grip/leech aura
waxen talon
and all 3 will hopefully get nerfed
ember arrow
cheat death
ember arrow
leech aura is fro martifact so it ll be removed
but that jsut means there will need to be a healer for the dps
waxen talon
they get a alternative thro asorite gear or somethin
ember arrow
nothing changes for the dk
sick sentinel
they are changing aoe grip a bit leech is gone but cheat death is staying
waxen talon
make it 5yards
sick sentinel
but general overall tanks are being much more slower
waxen talon
well
ember arrow
all tanks feel like slow motion
waxen talon
make deathgrip their taunt to annoy them
waxen talon
yea
but
its not their taunt
htey got 2 taunts
dark command + deathgrip fusion pls.
ember arrow
wudnt change anything
waxen talon
yes
ember arrow
bosses cant be gripped
waxen talon
u would still do a wacky animation
waxen talon
immune deathgrip looks so noobish
ember arrow
it says immune
waxen talon
well
dont tell me ppl never press dark command
iw ould always use that over grip, if purpose isnt to grip.
ember arrow
ye but grip has same purpose
even more vs adds
in mele range u generate more aggro
waxen talon
i had to close it when ppl were demanding a 4th spec being ranged.
it was too retarded.
rich sage
lol... a ranged warrior? That's unique
sick sentinel
im not really angry to blizz with latest changes
only %20 maybe even lower is doing heroic raids
and less then %5 doing mythic raiding we care about fast gameplay but other %80 dont
waxen talon
wELL
isnt the primary reason everythin is slowed so much just
thaat, we got a fuckton of stats + artifacts + legendaries
and they got none of that in BFA?
sick sentinel
it also makes class much easier
waxen talon
additionally i think its a good idea for blizzard to nerf overall defense to make actually pressing shield block more valueable
and not just to try to spam it to get 100% uptime.
sick sentinel
SB is never a spam and always valuable if you are doing hard content
but IP maybe needed a better design rather then give us that they removed it
waxen talon
SB depends a lot on encounter
sick sentinel
- GCD changes making every class and every spec much more slower is great for beginners
or people who do LFR only which is %50 of community
it doesnt really depends on encounter you want it to be up for spells you can block + for melee
waxen talon
GBC on everything feels stupid
i do understand stuff like battlecry and such for fury
but certain things
such as being used to have heroic strike as a warrior
was just really really great game design imo
i miss that sexy button.
sick sentinel
GCD always made the difference beetwen fast specs and slow ones
right now all of them is slow xd
waxen talon
they will hopefully realzie
if they put GCD on stuff like shield block
im gonna get triggered for real
waxen talon
if u charge on max range
sick sentinel
even fucking shouts are in GCD man
waxen talon
dont u get to mob by the time GCD is refreshed
tbh arent both leap and charge on gcd rn?
waxen talon
oh warbringer is not for sure
sick sentinel
not in live
waxen talon
cuz i spam that at melee range without interuptions.
sick sentinel
in alpha
you can charge on your way use DS and thunderclap
which i always do to start with high rage
waxen talon
gonna make pvp
strange
imagine chargin a mage
then he spends a gbc by blink
then u heroic leap after him
and 5sec into the fight no hits been dealt
haha
blizz hopefully knows what theyre doing
junior ivy
i regret learning about different gear sets
i accidentally pull heroic bosses wearing my "run fast, jump a lot" set
all the time
instead of my tanking set
merry cave
I did the same, fixed it by making the leggo shoulders a really gross obvious transmog
merry cave
π€¦
undone sun
Definitely could have surivved it if it was a normal circumstance but the strat we used would have made it significantly more difficult
hybrid grail
Hello peeps, new to the game and would like to know if this is the right place to see if someone could teach me how to tank? If not let me know!
undone sun
Most information about tanking in general comes down to experience, hard to teach. a lot of information specifically to prot warrior can be found in the pins and whatever isn't covered in said guides feel free to ask
hasty pasture
Just joined the discord, are the GCD changes are issue for prot war?
plain ice
For higher m+ keys, do warriors typically swap between bracers and belt for trash and bracers and gloves for the boss?
undone sun
If you need the healing, yes
Belt is always for aoe where gloves/sephuz are also exchangable
undone sun
π
glacial vale
gotta go fast
daring aspen
I just have a WA that flashes if i have my non combat set on
junior ivy
@daring aspen can i have it?
daring aspen
At work but its a simple flashing icon that has the trigger as item equipped iirc
Think its this one @junior ivy https://wago.io/HJEi78VfM
Gotta change the load for character to your name i think if he hasnt fixed it
junior ivy
ty
white valley
The feels when everyone at the start of xpac shit talked aggramars and sephuz. Now everyones gonna miss them
More laughing about sephuz though. So many people i know refuse to do keys without seohuz. But were disgusted when they looted at start of xpac
undone sun
Decent for more bursty AOE where you wont necessarily get the full effect out of belt, obviously less likely when packs are staying up for much longer
daring aspen
Sephuz also got buffed alot since start of expansion
ember arrow
well if mobs die that fast then it doesnt matter what leggos u got anyway
spice arrow
Can anyone suggest the optimal leggos for tanking the mini bosses on portal keeper mythic? Im running bracers and ring atm, but wondering if ring should be replaced with gloves or belt?
spice arrow
The battlelords ring, so drop the bracers?
undone sun
If you have t21, drop soul
Vengeance as a whole lost a lot of value when 2pc is obtained
spice arrow
Ah so bracers and gloves are optimal?
undone sun
Bracers if you could use the healing, yes
serene violet
I have 4 set if I use the juggernaut gloves. Keeping full defensive in mind it would be better to use the belt and the bracers as legendaries. Or am I incorrectly valuing the 4 piece over the gloves
solemn kelp
Why is the tanking mage tower challenge more about not getting hit than it is about getting hit.
Rhetorical question, without a question mark.
mortal carbon
avoidable dmg debuff management def cd timing add management π€·
viral arch
@solemn kelp A good tank knows how to not just get his face plastered on the wall, tbh
along with all his vital organs right beside it
π
ember arrow
imo tank challenge isnt a tank challengeat all
dps check, ofc not so much with current ilvl gear
serene violet
i think it is though because there is a lot of stuff you have to manage at once, which is a skill i would say is preferable for a tank.
ember arrow
dps is never a concern on relevant content for a tank
and the challenge is all about dps
when u do it on 900 ilvl when its challenging, then u die because u didnt make dps check
sure u can go mongo dps on farm runs etc
serene violet
its still more about the mechanics. Though i do agree that if you cant kill kruul himself within time annihilate will just straight up kill you
ember arrow
not really about mechanics, u can do mechanics in raid and do low dps
u still kill the boss
not in this challenge
signal plover
It's about getting the most outta yer character
Using parts of the toolkit most ppl won't use in raid or dungeon content.
ember arrow
liek what?
signal plover
I rly enjoying figuring it out when it first dropped. It was a great reality check of gaps in my playstyle.
signal plover
Cool man
vast spindle
if leggos is worst titanforge gotta be second worse ijs...
signal plover
As far as specifics for tank challenge, the management of VR alongside IP, SR and SB. Active kiting. Awareness of eyes while managing add pick ups, a focus stun interrupt and watching debuffs. It pretty much tests everything u need to do in raids n m+
Plus enough dmg to push the mini and kruul
Like if ur a good tank ur alrdy used to all that, but it def isn't brain ded
unborn island
Just seen 'Sense' in the MDI list
playing Warrior? Or likely to be playing BDK so as to enhance meme
shut summit
Woulda swapped to prot in some dungeons but you hafta lock in classes at beginning of each round
So always blood βΏ
junior ivy
hey which underwater mount is fastest
restive scroll
like every mounts, it's fixed. So, any of them
wooden hull
all underwater mounts should move at the same speed afaik
junior ivy
ok cool i picked fathom dweller to put on muy action bar then
i had that and the seahorse
wasnt sure which to make my main underwater mount
merry cave
The class lock really garunteed nothing but blood dk
Even top few dh have said it's not worth risk
tender bone
Just a Quick question to do with the Panthon trinket, if i can get away with not waring it?. If thats oki, even with the higher end Ilvl?
round hornet
if you want to fuck over your raid
signal plover
It's usually a pretty good trink for us anyway with all dat strength
The effects suck
(for surv cuz random)
stark sage
defensively you may benefit more from another trinket, but for dps its one of the best
round hornet
dps loss for raid by a lot to be missing half of one type of buff
tender bone
Every Member of our Raid has it already, I had to quickly level an alt to replace a tank so my Ilvl is Garbage for Hc runs, Im just trying to survive right now
And the other tank is using the trinket
stark sage
what are you wanting to replace it with
tender bone
Currently Apocalypse and Smoldering
round hornet
theres nothing you want to smouldering titanguard in raid
stark sage
id say its better than apocalypse on most fights