protection

[junior ivy]

omg

lol

[prisma crane]

the bigger omg imo is this one

that top time is nuts

[junior ivy]

no healer..

wow

[prisma crane]

but it's ok, we can nerf prot warr reflect on medivh

consumption not OP

[shut summit]

:sob:

[junior ivy]

current set up

final dps should be... another monk maybe?

[prisma crane]

they used the monks because of their burst

can monks absorb the orbs on worm?

or does the BDK just do it all

[junior ivy]

oh i have nooo idea

[prisma crane]

was to anyone

but take a hunter or something

[junior ivy]

yeha will try and get hunter or lock

people always want locks for m+

so they msut be good lol

[prisma crane]

less great in Upper

[junior ivy]

good to know

hunter or boomie maybe?

[prisma crane]

locks are great in really high keys/big aoe or multitarget

strong in arcway too

hunter/boomie/DH/DK

[junior ivy]

so 3 melee isnt so bad?

[prisma crane]

curator may be a bit annoying if you dont all stack

[junior ivy]

to beat a 3 chested 18, id hvae to 3 chest this 19 right?>

or could 2 chest beat it?

lol

[prisma crane]

1 or 2 should beat it

[junior ivy]

nice !!

my sister only needs 1 point to hit 3k, she is 2999

so she will be happy haha

btw i forget which dh spec is tank and which is dps?

[cinder pasture]

Vengeance is tank, havoc is dps

[junior ivy]

thanks

[ember arrow]

@prisma crane im late to the party, but is it really consumption thats op?

if legion tanks couldnt sustain themselves as ridiculously as they do

except monk and bear

if a tank couldnt kleep himself 100% all the time, then he couldnt do that with dps either

[prisma crane]

it heals the entire group

20% leech when doing 30m+ dps

[ember arrow]

i know what it does

im saying

that dks themselves sustaining as they do

makes it even possible

[prisma crane]

well that too

[ember arrow]

if dks needed healers then consumption wud be irrelevant

sicne they themselves wud be killed

its more of tank balance issue in my book

[prisma crane]

yea, but it also allows for that option

but yea, i mean bursting and no healer....

[ember arrow]

still weird that dk randomly gives 20% fkin leech to all

when other tank artifact usage are usually reduce dmg to self

i mean, i ush on dk now higher than warrior ( grip interrupts opop) so ye

thats saying smt

still, hard to balance a self heal tank so he still needs healer

[timid jay]

Not playing VDH for m+

[ember arrow]

i guess

[timid jay]

Its so much more fun

[ember arrow]

ye but i need to be a belf

then

i choose race based on looks

so shrug

all i can say is i hope tanks will need healers again

in bfa

[prisma crane]

that meta may change

but i dont see gorefiend's falling out of the meta

[ember arrow]

utility is fine

im talking about self sustaining

[timid jay]

I'd much prefer being self sustained

[prisma crane]

sure, but as far as making a class imbalanced

yea, self sustained doesnt impact nearly as much as mass grip

[ember arrow]

if dk took shitloads of dmg and needed tons of heals

then that wud counterweight the utility

[prisma crane]

not really

[ember arrow]

uh ye

[prisma crane]

it just makes them on par with other tanks

[ember arrow]

healer wudnt be able to dps

and 4 dps runs wudnt be possible

[prisma crane]

and they have grip and heals for group

yea, but they still have grip on top of that

which ups the group dps

[ember arrow]

u mean ST one or aoe

or both

[prisma crane]

provided extra interrupt

[ember arrow]

i assume aoe

[prisma crane]

both, but mostly aoe

[ember arrow]

its also weird that both can grip cc immune adds

small indie company? or intentional

seers in arcway, jailor in votw

[prisma crane]

intentional since it's arguably not a CC

[ember arrow]

being able to cc seers is huuuuge

its not cc?

crowd control

how is it arguably not cc?

[prisma crane]

they arent under control, you just interrupt

[ember arrow]

u pull them though

[prisma crane]

akin to a knockback or kick

[ember arrow]

and ST one also taunts

is typhoon not a c then either?

[prisma crane]

it's a knockback imo, not a CC

[ember arrow]

it fdoe slow after

does

[prisma crane]

CC is root, banish, sheep, etc

[quiet delta]

ok finally got the mythic gloves, so now I need to decide weather to go for ilvl or stats; it practically looks like this: so I need to keep 1 of the tier pieces to get 4set bonus, so which head/cloak do I use?

[prisma crane]

slows i suppose could count, assuming you're kiting

[ember arrow]

the second "c "is control, and pulling otwards u forcibly is controilling it

[prisma crane]

i guess

@quiet delta no kaku gloves?

[quiet delta]

this is in my aoe tank set

so bracer+belt set

[ember arrow]

@quiet delta the hastem astery 975 ones

[prisma crane]

aoe i'd use belt and gloves

[junior ivy]

how do i drop necrotic stacks on the worm

😦

[prisma crane]

run

[quiet delta]

oh

[ember arrow]

NL?

[prisma crane]

have someone taunt

[junior ivy]

upper kasra

[ember arrow]

catfriend

[junior ivy]

kara

mana worm

[ember arrow]

someone taunts

u ofc bring a class thant can taunt and tank a boss

wit necrotic

[quiet delta]

well with kaku gloves i have to use both tier ones to get set bonus

[ember arrow]

or itmust die fast catfriend

[quiet delta]

@ember arrow so u mean haste mastery cloak with the crit/vers tier helm? is better than the double haste/vers head/cloak?

[ember arrow]

haste mastery back and haste vers hands

but i didnt know u had hand leggo

thats obviously much better

[quiet delta]

i got tier21 haste mastery 960 mythic gloves now

yeah i have kaku gloves ofc

but i love my wrists

and i have an aoe tank set where i use the belt

[ember arrow]

u dont need them 90% of time

belt/hands on aoe

[quiet delta]

i also sim highest dps with wrists

[ember arrow]

how does that work?

[quiet delta]

i use hands wrist on ST

[ember arrow]

belt hands is mroe rage>more DS>more 25% dmg icnrease

[junior ivy]

what does it mean to soak on the worm

iwas told to soak first

[ember arrow]

soak the orbs

[junior ivy]

all of them?

[ember arrow]

as much as u can

[junior ivy]

k

[ember arrow]

then drop stacks in the tornadoes

[quiet delta]

what do u use on single target then levko?

[ember arrow]

or u get rekt by dot

[quiet delta]

also not wrists?

[ember arrow]

ST i use hands/belt

wrists dont give u dps

directly nor inidirectly

[quiet delta]

you use hands belt even on ST?

[ember arrow]

yes

3 sec cdr from ST

is still around 15sec less cd on DS

[quiet delta]

i like the legs too on many fights

and legs have big stats

[ember arrow]

legs dont do much though

[quiet delta]

for solo tank argus etc.

solo tank kj

etc

[ember arrow]

u use HR to solo tank kj

u use HR to solo tank msot bosses

[quiet delta]

in my 100% mastery 20% avoid set, everything with melee is a faceroll

yeah HR + legs

and 100% mastery

[ember arrow]

dont need legs

[quiet delta]

gg

[timid jay]

HR+ legs

monkas

[ember arrow]

100% uptime is regardless

[timid jay]

just use only legs and AM

NotlikeThis

[ember arrow]

also legs + HR

xdRRR

[quiet delta]

i need cus with 100% my haste drops to like 18%

[ember arrow]

y 100% mastery

though

[quiet delta]

when solo tanking

u eventually might risk running out of shield blocks

[ember arrow]

??

nope

[quiet delta]

but like this it is like bulletproof

[ember arrow]

u dont run out of shield blocks

[junior ivy]

finally worm died

[quiet delta]

i do with low haste

[timid jay]

I mean with 18% haste you'll run out of SB on argus

[quiet delta]

not with HR and legs

[ember arrow]

i solotanked hc kj multiple times

[timid jay]

The casts arent long enough to recharge with that low haste

[ember arrow]

HR + haste

is ezpz

no need for mastery

[quiet delta]

i can do some NL inbetwween and also BC comes off cd just in time to keep refreshing them for a while

u need mastery cap to make sure u can solo 30+ scytches

without cds

on normal and hc

[ember arrow]

i had 18 on hc wit AM

[quiet delta]

not talking about mythic ofc

[ember arrow]

without legs

[quiet delta]

yeah with cds

[ember arrow]

30 stacks?

what dps is ur group doing

200k?

18 stacks was whole final phase

till he died

[quiet delta]

nah i didnt have that i didnt count

but calculated

i was blocking 70mill dmg when he died

idk what that equals in stacks

[ember arrow]

u can use membuild np, but thats not a good build for actual bossfights

only for solotanking

[quiet delta]

yeah

then there can be one more person dpsing

[ember arrow]

matters on hc/normal

Kappa

[quiet delta]

and people should favour warr tanks then

[timid jay]

70M blocked would be roughly the 12-14th staack

[quiet delta]

cus then they only need one

[timid jay]

on HC

[quiet delta]

ok

[timid jay]

Depending on armor and avoidance + versa

[ember arrow]

18thstack

cosmo

[timid jay]

Hmm

🤔

Quic mafs failed

[ember arrow]

hc scales

dont forget

[timid jay]

Wat

[ember arrow]

dmg of boss

its not static

[timid jay]

Yes

I know

[quiet delta]

and some milions arbsorbed too not in pic

that is from hc too

strange if mine is much higher and u had 18th stacks and it is lower? maybe u had SW up?

or i got higher stacks?

[ember arrow]

ye i used cds

but i dont use membuild

[quiet delta]

but we got hit for the same 4mill though

[ember arrow]

i had 9 critblocks in a row

from 9th stack

RNGsus blessed me

[quiet delta]

haha

im cheating

fuck rng

xd

as solo tank i can't depend on luck ^^

[broken kite]

Gotta love crit block

[ember arrow]

i wasnt planjing that time to take 18 stacks

it worked out

[quiet delta]

it isn't responsible to my raid tbh ^^

[broken kite]

When it works

[quiet delta]

100% chance to block 88% feelsgood

and in the same set i am avoidance capped feelsbetter

[ember arrow]

oh i wont let a tank solotank anyway wit me in group

if im not tanking

[quiet delta]

cus u can't dps?

[ember arrow]

im not gonna waste my time on the memelords that fail 95%

i can heal

duduudududududud healer

[quiet delta]

oh i did it many times, i can't fail with 100%

[ember arrow]

very bad at it

[quiet delta]

im like a wall without cds

[ember arrow]

class fantasy

ull be more like tissue in bfa

so enjoy while it lasts

tissue paper

[quiet delta]

yeah i enjoy

i do extra kills just to enjoy how powerful immortal i am xD

[ember arrow]

warriors are either 100% or dead

dont forget

memebuild or not

[quiet delta]

that is why i use exact build setup to ensure i can maintain SB uptime

[ember arrow]

warr at <75% will die in 2 seconds

true fact

[quiet delta]

where are all the brewmasters at this tier though

[timid jay]

Damage blocked on the right at 10k armor, 3715 versa, 665 avoidance and 7 bastion traits ( for crit blocks)

[quiet delta]

full of them in tomb

yeah im using that one

[ember arrow]

nah i defo had 18 stacks cosmo

not bsing u

[timid jay]

I mean armor avoidance and CD's will skew that

[quiet delta]

can actually go indomitable to take 4 mroe stacks

[undone sun]

30 😓

[ember arrow]

i wud prob jizz in my pnts if i block 216mil dmg

[timid jay]

With SW and 5 TC stacks and the same stats the 18th scythe is 107M blocked

[ember arrow]

how is ctritblock not double of block

[timid jay]

Thats damage taken

The field on the right that I added is just how much damage a critblock would remove

[quiet delta]

is that mythic?

[timid jay]

Heroic last phase

With the stats I listed

[quiet delta]

looks like this with my stats

and with indomitable talent in my mastery/avoidance capped gear i still have 11,6million hp unbuffed, so i can survive 30+ without cds

[sick sentinel]

but here is the question

what is the fucking purpose

[ember arrow]

^

u said it less eloquently than i wudve

[quiet delta]

being near immortal

reaching the potential dude

[sick sentinel]

i got lucky with 15+ stacks few times with lots of crit blocks

[quiet delta]

to see what we can do

[sick sentinel]

but i dont know

i rather do something else lol

[quiet delta]

cheers

got nothing to do in wow anyway

[timid jay]

If you get 100% mastery its not RNG

[quiet delta]

so why not

[ember arrow]

it wont make warriors more appealign i neyes of public

as u said be4

sicne solotanking bosses isnt how progression raiding works

[quiet delta]

every other tank class i said it too were shocked positively ^^

[ember arrow]

i can heal 100mil hp on dk in 2 gcd

[quiet delta]

im not even tanking mythic

im main dps

that is a lot of overheal

sounds pretty useless

if u get oneshot

[timid jay]

Also Twihok, if you're using my spreadsheet for heroic last phase

[ember arrow]

so is solotankign bosses

lol

[timid jay]

Yours is outdated, fixed a bug with scaling in it

[quiet delta]

oh

well thanks for telling

what is the bug? or can i have the new one?

[timid jay]

Damage numbers looked a bit off

The pinned one is updated

Just copy it again and its fixed

[quiet delta]

oka

wait

when did u update it?

cus i only recently copied it

[timid jay]

sec

[quiet delta]

the day u got it pinned actually

[timid jay]

04-04-2018

[quiet delta]

i was here

yeah

got that one

[timid jay]

Does it say changelog on the right side?

Under Made by cosmo

[quiet delta]

nope

it says specialthanks

etc

[timid jay]

Then its not the updated version 😉

Was spotted a few hours after I posted it

[quiet delta]

ah

ok

let's see

if it changes anything

[timid jay]

Its 100M or so extra damage for the 30th scythe in p4 heroic

[quiet delta]

100m?

ohh unmitigated ofc

[timid jay]

80M

roughly

yeah unmitigated

[junior ivy]

last boss, all the adds, i get 30 stacks so fast

how do i drop them

[sick sentinel]

which boss cat?

[junior ivy]

oh

uppe rkara

[timid jay]

Stun and kite?

[sick sentinel]

oh you aoe stun and kite

[timid jay]

Idk if thunderclap slow is enough to kite them

[sick sentinel]

it is they dont run fast

run back to entrance of the ship

[ember arrow]

upper kara is pty bad for neccro

tyranical

[quiet delta]

weird

i see exact same numbers as the one i had

[sick sentinel]

necro isnt the problem until last 2 bosses and wrym pack

[quiet delta]

maybe i still didnt get the right one

i took the one in the pin

but it doesnt say change log

[timid jay]

Set it to true

[sick sentinel]

tyranical makes it problem because you need every healing you can get

[timid jay]

oh

Ctrl+f5 should fix it

[sick sentinel]

specialy in high keys even melee hits hard

[ember arrow]

only melees

cs are saved for abilities

esp if unblocked goes tru on warrior

ouch

[sick sentinel]

i remember wrym hitting me 3m without block in 20 i think

i cant imagine 23 without block

oneshot probably

[ember arrow]

well

there are % spreadsheets

if i had those i cud tell ue exactly 😛

[sick sentinel]

i had versa procs also

[quiet delta]

nope

[sick sentinel]

my hardest melee hit was from brh last boss 24 tyranical

[timid jay]

23 tyrannical would be 9.3725*base damage

[quiet delta]

founbd it

[sick sentinel]

i had block and wall up bitch went demon mode and oneshotted me

[ember arrow]

i love last boss brh on dk

healing increased by 300%

oof

39mil healing DS

having 110mil hp

feelsgood

[sick sentinel]

i thought about playing dk or vdh for pushin keys but cba later on

artifact grind and all that nope

[quiet delta]

yeah gonna need cds on last few now, but still wont matter as probably wont ever get there

but ty

[timid jay]

👍

[ember arrow]

@sick sentinel grind? ur at 79 traits in 2 days

[sick sentinel]

still cba lol

[ember arrow]

i literally leveled mine to 964 atm in 2 weeks

75 traits is 2 wq

im not saying ur opinion is wrong

but "grind" isnt thework anymore

word

[quiet delta]

are anyone here using riftworld codex in m+ ? is it worth it for us?

since we are mostly topped

[ember arrow]

decent if the aoe dmg procs

[sick sentinel]

its okey

[ember arrow]

but mediocre

diimas or shivermaws or glaives

serve us better

[sick sentinel]

yeah way better

[ember arrow]

because we got on demand crit, its esp good

the ones i mentioned

[quiet delta]

btw nobody here cares for the 4set bonus t21 i guess as soon as your offpieces are just a bit better ye?

[timid jay]

I use it frequently on aggramar

Just in general if I want more survivability really

[undone sun]

Yup

Also use it on agg and used to on argus

[timid jay]

Feels like its worth a lot more on agg though, got 143 hits from agg and 94 on argus

Not to mention that agg had average of 2.2M while argus had 1.7M

Then again, aggramar is probably the best fight for t21 4p

[undone sun]

Idd

[sick sentinel]

do you need any avoidance for taking 2 stacks of foe breaker M aggramar

[timid jay]

Depends on gear

[sick sentinel]

i have %7 but thats it

[timid jay]

Theres a pinned post that'll solve it for you

[sick sentinel]

i also have amanthuls so if it procs %20 avoidance

yeah i will check that for sure

[ember arrow]

REEEEEEEEEEEE

amanthuls

[timid jay]

I take double foe breaker with 1000 avoidance

[sick sentinel]

just asking around so i can know if you did

i have 7/7 bastion also so it should make it easier

[timid jay]

Only really gets iffy in p3 if you have a few stacks thanks to the dispel

Magic damage and all that

[sick sentinel]

progression will take a while so i will get used to it in time

[timid jay]

I use LS for the second foe breaker just for safety, dont really need it for anything else

[sick sentinel]

also in heroic even if you have x stacks it drops for second foe breaker for sure is it same for mythic

or does it depens on the combo it does

[timid jay]

yeah it does on mythic

[sick sentinel]

i dont really know the timers for it so

[timid jay]

You can have stacks for the second one in mythic

He can flame rend + foe breaker x2 and then aoe + flame rend

[sick sentinel]

okey i will calculate it for the worst

thanks for info cosmo

i will check that for next progression sheet is crazy good lol

[timid jay]

Thanks 😃

Was a bit late in making it, goal was for a template going into BfA

[ancient ore]

hey what are the best legendarys for prot warrior ith 2 pc

[undone sun]

Bracers/gloves/belt

[ancient ore]

ty

is it bad if my mastery is at 66%

[ember arrow]

no

stat prio are in pins

[merry cave]

Tyrannical 22 eoa is painful -_-

[ember arrow]

necrotic

[austere ginkgo]

Inquisitor's Mind Rend is just wrecking me.

I'm thinking of swapping INsignia of the Army for Prydaz, just to give me some more leeway

[ember arrow]

u leaving his aura at 5 stacks?

u using SR on the rend?

prydaz is worthless leggo

[austere ginkgo]

Nvm. I got it 😛

I didn't actually occur to me to use SR on Rend . . .

This is why I need 920+ ilvl to beat tower challenges.

But that's the last warrior challenge done. 2 classes done. 10 to go.

I actually thought Pro warr would be the hardest. But it only took me 3 or 4 attempts.

[ember arrow]

prot has highest dmg of them all pty much

why would it be hardest

[blazing venture]

trying to tank vari(M) on prot(alt), is IP enough to live through a slash? I don't have legs

[austere ginkgo]

Prot has the highest dmg of the warrior specs?

What

[ember arrow]

of tnaks

[austere ginkgo]

Oh

[ember arrow]

@blazing venture yes

use SR every other

[blazing venture]

cool

[ember arrow]

use a cd if ur unsure

u got plenty wit AM

[austere ginkgo]

Yeah. It took me considerably more attempts with my Guardian druid.

[blazing venture]

what's the # you think?

for IP

i think it does like 10-11m

[ember arrow]

u wont die to normal slash even without ip

[round hornet]

Could be worse, could be lower kara lol @merry cave

[ember arrow]

depends how much ip u got

[blazing venture]

i did last week, but i only did 1 pull and switched back to my main

[ember arrow]

hp

[blazing venture]

9.3 base

[ember arrow]

thne youre what

965?

assuming no stamina trinks/indomitable

[blazing venture]

62

[ember arrow]

yes exactly

easily survivable

[blazing venture]

cool

like i said i didn't have a chance to do more pulls last week

this is a pretty new char

didn't wanna hold up raid

hopefully it works out, i'll probably tank argus on this char this week too

rockin like 16% avoidance

[ember arrow]

o god i read vari Normal, ye use cd on mythic lol

[blazing venture]

nah, mythic

[ember arrow]

SW>SR>LS>SR

etc

[blazing venture]

IP won't cover one in a pinch? I didn't look at the exact number

like a full IP,ofc

[ember arrow]

not entirely i think

[blazing venture]

all good

[ember arrow]

full ip is what 6mil ish?

[blazing venture]

like 5.5 ish

[ember arrow]

yea

[blazing venture]

we'll see

this is probably much easier with legs...

[round hornet]

It is but ppl don't use legs and use other shit to parse instead

It's def doable

Don't be afraid to ask for externals

[merry cave]

@hazy nimbus lower Kara necrotic is just silly, especially with the Westside story opera -_-

[round hornet]

Make sure ur blocking especially if the melee and shadowstrike come at the same time

[upbeat fractal]

hey pals

[sinful vortex]

hey 👋

[ember arrow]

sup

[cinder orchid]

if on the meters a higher geared tank has more damage done, does that mean they mitigated it poorly?

*damage taken

[undone sun]

Depends on the class, but If it's two warriors comparing, yes but it can also mean they had more tanking uptime

Also dependent on the boss

[cinder orchid]

on felhounds for example, the druid tank took wayyyy more damage. even on high command, i had 3 stacks while he had 2 but his damage taken was super high

[undone sun]

Druids are about recovery, not preventative like we are, they're naturally going to take more damage

[cinder orchid]

makes sense

[languid rose]

all the damage you IP isn't counted as "damage taken"

everything they heal, was

[round vortex]

The best way to compare tanks is looking intrinsically at the logs and see how they are using their abilities for key moments. Purely because of what @undone sun said that different tank uptimes can influence it.

Eg: On hounds you want to check if the warrior is using shield block before each Maw, and on the druid you'd like to think they used their regen straight after... Things like that.

The only real way is to compare HOW they are playing rather than the raw numbers that are put out. Because mitigation is also a chance. You might have 20% dodge for example but only dodge 10% or up to 30% in the live encounter so the numbers can skew a bit.

As long as your tank is pushing the right buttons at the right time - they will be ok 😃

[upper spoke]

anyone use 2p t20 + 4p t21? w/ warlord's challenge, cd of berserker rage drops to 45s. So t20 2p would provide 100 rage every 45s

just curious

[undone sun]

Yes, that was the default when using t20

And the tier combo just made it more ridiculous

[broken tree]

Hey guys new to playing around with prot usually dps. Is 40% haste too much?

[undone sun]

No

[round vortex]

Hey I think you overlooked it. It was 4pce T20 with 2pce T21 - not the other way around 😃

[white geyser]

so do you need 4 pc t21 for mythic argus

[undone sun]

No

[white geyser]

ok cause im using 2 pc and legs gloves

been looking at logs. but we are just hitting p2 so trying to figure out best combo

[undone sun]

Curious for legs

[white geyser]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LHbRqXVYz19rxGZA

are legs necessary?

also been using 970 eye but would it be worth using 945 smoldering titangaurd?

would you recommend another lego other than legs?

[undone sun]

Not for main tanking, gloves/belt are more than enough

Bracers if you're feeling unsafe

[little hawk]

So, looking at legendaries for pure defense. What should I go with? I got gloves, walls fell, bracers, legs, belt.

[undone sun]

Most of the time, bracers/gloves

Legs are very niche and aren't really great for general use
Belt is great for aoe dps and usually second to gloves for overall dps
TWF gained some value with T21 but still is outperformed by gloves

[white geyser]

what trinkets would be good for argus?

should i keep that eye?

[prisma crane]

anything really

argus is about your CD usage, not so much trinkets

pantheon for your raid

[white geyser]

ye using pantheon 970 eye

[prisma crane]

and eye/diima

[white geyser]

trying to figure out legos now

thinking legs gloves

trying out gloves pants right now

[undone sun]

Got any with avoidance?

[white geyser]

13.3% avoidance

or you talking about trinkets?

[undone sun]

Yes, on trinkets

[white geyser]

nope

[viral arch]

@timid jay 🛎

Also

I'm not going bear

you can't make me

[undone sun]

Delete the toon now

That way they'll never be able to make you go bear

[viral arch]

I mean, the other specs are pretty fun in pvp

if I could delete something it'd be my monk

[mortal carbon]

yes delete it

dont be like me and progress argus because you are bear 😢

[daring aspen]

@viral arch u going bear

Officer of healing has spoken

[viral arch]

You'll need to heal me then

and what's even better, you healing me will trigger my mastery which will show as my healing on the logs

Still want me to go bear? 😏

[daring aspen]

Im shaman i dont heal you anyways

[viral arch]

Raiding with Yon and suddenly you get healed: https://media2.giphy.com/media/kC8BDOFZLE6DC/giphy.gif

[daring aspen]

Stealing my wetness

[silk mortar]

Wait so does guardian druid mastery count as his own healing even if one is healing him?

im mindfucked

[serene stag]

Is prot basically just 2p t21 and high TF everything else now without a care in the world for stats?

Might still be using 2p t21, 4p t20 for the insane rage gen

[junior ivy]

haste is pretty good too

[ember arrow]

@serene stag no need for setcombo, t20 4p is worth 25 ilvls

only worth it defensively

[mint fulcrum]

i'm thinking of leveling another tank - any class that is particularly really fun? (i really enjoy warrior atm)

[west kayak]

@serene stag I run 2pT21 with the rest being high ilvl favoring Haste.

[serene stag]

All good, just checking in with the general use lately, only ever really stuck with what I knew worked best early Antorus

It's just the weekly m+ tank set anyhow.

[junior ivy]

i dont understand tol barad

[sick sentinel]

Is potion of old war batter than potion of prolonged power for dps as prot?

[junior ivy]

ive been told old war for single target

prolonged for aoe

[timid jay]

^
Basically yeah

I tend to use prolonged all the time for the extra health and for how cheap they are

[junior ivy]

yeah i use prolonged more too cause of the price

[prisma crane]

should be able to somehow sim the difference now right?

[timid jay]

You can

Its not a massive difference but its there nonetheless

Btw Krotos, did you manage to reclear argus with your strat?

[prisma crane]

very short story

yesterday was the first time we got back to him

and let's see...

5 ppl with under 30 pulls on him

[timid jay]

oof

feelsbadman

[prisma crane]

13 from our first kill

only had time for 3 pulls, but got him to like 48%

[timid jay]

Decent though

[prisma crane]

and that was just people not knowing what to do in P2 when they actually got the mechanics

also, no lock to send the bombs away sucks

[timid jay]

Dps looking better at least?

[prisma crane]

since we just tank the bursts

hard to tell

[timid jay]

Ours is even better now lol

We stop dps in p2 for like 30 seconds now

[prisma crane]

we tried to push to RP with around 6:45 left, but i dont see it happening, not yet anyways

damn, just dont lust in P1

[timid jay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aAw8jKtbYyhxfWvd#fight=21&type=damage-done
Next week I dont think we will stop DPS

Look at the second BL

No reason to stop if we get 9 second BL

[prisma crane]

i wish i could raid with you guys 😦

you should just save lust for P3

[timid jay]

p1 check is still tight for us

[prisma crane]

use it after the mass tree res

[timid jay]

Idk why

[prisma crane]

it doesnt change much

you'll get one extra rage, but you'll likely still kill him faster so it changes very little

and then the P3 push gets simple

[timid jay]

True

Might actually be a good idea

[prisma crane]

after second mass tree res you just pump him and i bet he's dead under 10 min

[timid jay]

Problem is my logs will get fucked 😦

Im the one that dies first after tree

Rip BL

[prisma crane]

you'll get some of it

or just take 5 and die on 6th

6x 9ish seconds is well over the lust time

[timid jay]

Or die to the 7th

Like last week

[prisma crane]

lol

plus with lust, taking the stacks is easy because nearly 100% SB uptime

[timid jay]

Its not like its really hard anyway

[prisma crane]

yea

[timid jay]

Im sitting at 35% haste or something

[prisma crane]

but it's trivial then

we did kill aggramar this wk 7 seconds faster than our best with 4 new ppl

so

it's something

we have the skip now too

[timid jay]

This was our first week with skip

Got argus and gul'dan down on that raid

felt good

[prisma crane]

i'd kill for a fucking stable roster without ppl dipping left and right

[timid jay]

We had a bit of attendance issues before argus died

So many applications coming in now that its not a biggie if someone decides to just leave

[prisma crane]

yea

[timid jay]

Been getting 5-8 people per week since argus died

Most are really bad applications but its nice to see anyway

[prisma crane]

yea horde helps that a lot as well, plus EU

[timid jay]

Definitely

[prisma crane]

man, i just want that mount, idc about the rest

and maybe an orange parse on Argus

i've fallen so far lol

[timid jay]

rip

I made our mountlist for argus

😎

[sick sentinel]

i just want CE at this point

never gotten CE before

[timid jay]

Its a good time to get it

With the last tier being so long

[sick sentinel]

our agg reclear took a bit longer than normal this week

[undone sun]

Least it's not as long as hfc it soo

[sick sentinel]

well have one full day of prog on argus tonight atleast

[undone sun]

Or Soo*

[sick sentinel]

only one more agg kill then we have the skip tho!

[timid jay]

yeah but its still the longest tier Thym

Arguably the easiest since EN imo

[round hornet]

my guild lost 2 many ppl since our KJ kill that we still haven't killed argus cuz new ppl aren't as good >.<

[timid jay]

We managed to bounce back after KJ

[sullen jungle]

Bois would you use 2set T21 with The Walls Fell and Mannoroths. Or 2set t21 Mannorots and Soul of the Battlelord ?

[timid jay]

TWF

[round hornet]

soul isnt so hot with prot

[timid jay]

soul is kinda shit with t21 2p

[sick sentinel]

dont use soul

you wont be able to vengeance weave with how often you shield slam

and the rage you gain

[sullen jungle]

So use The Walls Fell instead? Or got Thundergod's Vigor aswell tho

[timid jay]

Bracers+TWF for ST and bracers+TGV for aoe

If you dont have kakushans

[sullen jungle]

Oh i got Kakushans aswell.

[timid jay]

bracers+kaku then

Thats the best survivability setup for ST

[sullen jungle]

So basicly only use TFW with 4set 2set right? Which probs aint that used anymore now

[timid jay]

Yeah

It was only used for that since we couldnt use kakushan

With the tier combo

[sullen jungle]

And know that we out gear 4set we use Kakushan 😄 I see

now *

[analog swift]

Anybody know what the best dps trinkets are? Right now I'm rocking a paired chrono shard at 975 and the 1K khaz goroth. But I just checked by logs ad realized that that shit procs like once every 90 seconds whereas aggys procs like once every 45 seconds.

gotta do the math on that verse but I'm guessing a 970 aggy would be better than a 1K khaz.

anything to replace the chrono?

[timid jay]

Sim it?

[west kayak]

Chrono tends to proc on whim it seems at times. Sometimes I have 30+% uptime and others it only proc'd once.

[analog swift]

@timid jay thought sims were shit

[undone sun]

Sims work,

[analog swift]

@undone sun i saw that pin but raidbots still says it sucks ass so i wasn't sure

[undone sun]

I don't understand

[shut summit]

[tidal holly]

Does someone can get some tips

how to deal with necro?

as prot warrior?

[undone sun]

Stuns and kiting, we don't have any special cheese like spellward of AMS to prevent stacks

[tidal holly]

and what legends are you using

??

still dps ones?

hands+waist?

[undone sun]

Yes, necro only makes wrists lost value

Generally gloves/belt belt/sephuz for more busty packs

[tidal holly]

yea

[wanton trout]

So, they removed ignore pain in BFA alpha.. How are they going to adjust warrior prot to help compete with other classes

[timid jay]

#410902883165405214

[ember arrow]

damn cosmo professional today

[upper spoke]

I killed normal argus this week. Could heroic argus drop aggramar's conviction, a pantheon upgrade thing or aman'thuls? Or might I just get gold/AP and have wasted an hour

[ember arrow]

u get one shot per week , thats not LFR, to get pantheon, amanthuls

[upper spoke]

ok so basically a wasted hour

[ember arrow]

pantheon upgrade always drops after ur first kill

[upper spoke]

cuz i dont need its loot

oh so i can get a pantheon upgrade from it?

[ember arrow]

was this argus kill the first one?

[upper spoke]

i mean not enough reason to get me there, but j/w

no

10th? 20th?

[ember arrow]

the blessing will drop always

regardless if u have aggramars conviction

[upper spoke]

in normal & heroic, if done in same week?

[ember arrow]

one shot per week pretty sure

[upper spoke]

ok ty

[undone sun]

Blessings are on the same loot roll as the trinkets are, if you got a blessing that week then you're already loot locked to anything pantheon

[quiet delta]

which is the best class for tanking varimathras on myuthic?

[ember arrow]

in what way?

warrior probably one of best

monks, dks dont fare very well, unless DK negates stack wit AMS

[timid jay]

They do, but they need a full absorb

Basically anything but monk works for vari

Its a super easy tank fight

[ember arrow]

u can pause stagger

but idk how that works

exactly

[undone sun]

Monk is manageable but still not nearly the best

And it's blackout strike into an ISB to stagger pause

Bear and brew being the bottom two

With blood being middle ground

[round hornet]

@ember arrow dk is fine lol

they have a CD for every slash

not just AMS, but vamp IBF and maybe rune tap if your feelin a bit scared

much better than monk and druid imo

[ember arrow]

ye thats why i say middle of the pack

taking RT means u mus take soul ring which is shit

[round hornet]

Yeah you don't need it tho

It's just like prot warrior you can use legs

[ember arrow]

i dont say u needed it

u suggested taking it if scared

i did it on my dk, its less pleasant than warrior

even if u got cd for every slash

[mortal hawk]

Do you guys have to thread the needle with mythic agg after every add phase? The adds are so super close to agg when we transition I feel like I have to pull off a trick shot to not have him pop any when we phase. We have one warlock with ring slowing adds, thats basically the only CC

[signal plover]

Warr with pants is so comfy on vari u lull yourself to sleep forget CDs and get gibbed

[west kayak]

Has anyone solo'd Vari from start to finish? My co-tank died at around 15% and I was able to handle the rest, w/legs, but this was Heroic.

[verbal socket]

how many resses are possible in total on mythic argus through the tree?

is it 20?

[round hornet]

theres like a grace period befre tree despanws where everyone can use it to res yeah

[verbal socket]

so you can simply ress the entire raid

at that point

[round hornet]

yeah but if everyones dead boss resets wipe

[verbal socket]

right

[round hornet]

so you have a tank solo stay alive for a bit

while everyone else dies to drop chains/fear/rage

[verbal socket]

but we can use 4/5 resses before that point?

[round hornet]

yeah not sure how many

I think I normally use 3 or something before mass suicide

[timid jay]

Think its the 5th that makes the tree start dying

Its 4th or 5th

[verbal socket]

ok thx

[signal plover]

I think there's 4 resses left in the tree after the initial P3 res

[verbal socket]

okay so we can use 4 before it dies or does it trigger on the 4th ress

IF there are 4 left

[round hornet]

you shouldn't need that many tho

[signal plover]

I believe 3. One is usually for a tank

[verbal socket]

well our tanks are using 2/3 tree resses ..suciding on 2nd chain - and taking 5 scythes each

2nd chain comes after 2 tank swaps

so they are defiantely using 2?

what should the optimal rotation be?

in terms of # of scythes

[timid jay]

If you 3 tank you can have the second tank dying collect some orbs

And wait to ress for the big mass ress if you do it that early

[verbal socket]

well the first tank is helping collect orbs from the first module

when he dies

[timid jay]

The way we do it overall is similar

We do the suicide at the same time

I start tanking argus in red phase and die to 5th scythe

Collect orbs from that module and then I ress

[verbal socket]

can u go over your step by step sorry to bother u

first few swpas till suicide that is lol

[timid jay]

The second tank dies to the next 5th scythe and stays dead until the massress

[verbal socket]

okay cool

[timid jay]

So when the second tank dies to the 5th scythe I pick up the boss and die to the 3rd scythe since it lines up with our suicide timing

and our 3rd tank gets pain suppression and stays alive

[verbal socket]

okay sweet thats what i wanted to hear

[timid jay]

we all ress, 3rd tank takes 1 scythe and iI take over again

[verbal socket]

thanks a lot

[timid jay]

👍

[ember arrow]

i jsut did 1 hour upper kara because i kept dying to necro last bos

and got cloak at the end

on dk

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[smoky oak]

Gratz on cloak

[ember arrow]

ty

[verbal socket]

anyone have the Argus Tree ress remaining weakaura? i can't find it

[noble glen]

got the hidden artifact today

a friend too

maybe u should look for it and try ur luck

[round hornet]

As long as ur not wasting them for no reason it's not something u need to think about rly

There's no weird overlap on the first chains to kill ppl or anything

[verbal socket]

well we have some potato raiders

i want to use the ress if they are just there u know

the WA im looking for is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIoiTnmQ1kc&t=485s

top mdidle of the screen where it says 4 left?

[wild spruce]

Just recently decided to become a tank after being an Arms warrior. Decided to jump straight into trying to learn Devastator instead of Indom.

Is rage generation an issue or am I doing something wrong?

[stark sage]

shouldn't be an issue, what's your gear like

[round hornet]

if ur jsut hitting dummies know that you missing a big chunk of rage from taking damage

[grand trellis]

So I’m just starting to do some mythic content, looking for some tips for garothi and dogs if anyone’s willing

[stark sage]

block maws use SR at high stacks

worldbreaker is pretty much the same as heroic

you have to move the dogs a bit, red one especially

[sick sentinel]

also if its your first time ever tanking mythic boss make sure you use block when you are tanking

if your gear isnt really high melee might hurt you

[grand trellis]

Yeah, am 960 with 75 traits so it’s not a terrible spotto be in. Don’t have any good legos. No gloves, legs, bracers. Been using belt and class ring for most things

Would you run heavy repercussions instead of am for prog?

[timid jay]

Nope

[pallid hollow]

Sim say Mastery is stronger than haste, uhh just making sure sim work properly right?

[timid jay]

AM outclasses HR bigtime with the new tier

[supple path]

Hrm, how heavily should we rate something like leech? Have a 965 belt with haste / vers, then a 955 belt with haste / mastery / leech.

[undone sun]

Not worth anything

[timid jay]

I'd say leech is nice to have but nothing I consider dropping ilvl or better stats for

[supple path]

Yeah, it's the combo of leech + better stats vs ilvl that makes me second guess.

[timid jay]

@pallid hollow Yeah that can make sense, depending on where your haste is at

[pallid hollow]

35% haste and 40.5% mastery. I guess the AP gain from Mastery came in handy huh

[timid jay]

Yeah, thats on the lower side of mastery

I have roughly the same haste but 50% or so mastery and haste is higher for me

[pallid hollow]

now that i realize it, why do i barely have mastery gear

[sick sentinel]

same %35 haste and %45 mastery haste is highest and STR is nearly same

[lean fern]

For high M+ tyrannical if im feeling scared about dying to necrotic and boss damage

what leggos should i be using

[wild spruce]

Do I prioritize IP or SB?

[timid jay]

Different functions

[undone sun]

Both, SB is active mitigation and IP is an EHP/increase and buffer

[wild spruce]

So if I'm cleaning out dungeon trash, focus more on SB?

[undone sun]

Use SB for actively tanking, notable blockable damage (check spreadsheet in pins) and to increase SS damage, IP whenever you're about to take damage or to dump rage and trigger RF

There's no either or

Definitely SB more so than IP, but not in place of

[wild spruce]

Thank you for the information

Trying to get back seriously into all of this.

A lot to relearn.

[wild spruce]

Do I need to be in highmountain next toe hcave for the hidden appearance macro to work?

[sharp lotus]

You need to be in the actual cave

You dont roll for the day until you enter the cave

[fathom gulch]

^

i...did....not....know...this

i thought i was just unlucky that i have checked with the macro for 3 months and its been false everytime........

[upbeat fractal]

What is the best flight path to take for that?

Is it right off of Ironhorn or whatever? Forgot the name

[timid jay]

Just leap down to highmountain?

🤔

[wild spruce]

Can you go into the obsidian entrance or the front?

[undone sun]

Just being in the cave, doesn't matter which side

I used the obsidian entrance when i got it

but that was also when you were able to relog and trigger the appearance ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wild spruce]

When was thios?

[undone sun]

Early legion when AK 5 first became available

For the first 48 hours or so you were able to relog to trigger the daily trigger until you got the shield

[wild spruce]

Ah, and now you can't do that anymore.

Ugh.

[cinder nova]

Vari down

8/11

Hopefully we can roll up to at least CE before the prepatch

Why does Cosmic Glare say it ignores armor?

It's fire.

It should ignore armor.

[cedar stream]

Yes

[cinder nova]

Just seems, I dunno?

Redundant.

[atomic fable]

is 40ilvl on a chest piece worth breaking t21 4p?
5ilvl overal

[merry cave]

Depends on the stats

And what other piece you'd drop

[undone sun]

Offensively, yes
defensively it depends on the boss

[prisma crane]

someone said there's whispers of possible nerfs in the next 1-2 wks? i wonder if it's even remotely substantiated cuz that'd be nice

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry cave]

Wouldn't mind some my poor little one night guild wiped on kin at 1% last week and it crushed spirits lol

[prisma crane]

imo they wont nerf much other than agg and argus

trust me when i say that once your dps picks up, Kin gets super easy

[undone sun]

Indeed

Id be surprised if they nerfed other than agg and argus

[prisma crane]

perhaps slight nerf to coven, but honestly, it's not bad once you get the rhythm set

could see slight imonar nerf too

but minor

[timid jay]

Coven is a breeze

[deft sapphire]

Imonar nerf would be nice for a lot of guilds

Imonar is a pretty potent boss

[jade socket]

@deft sapphire 😦

[undone sun]

potent

😓

[timid jay]

Lol

🔥

[daring aspen]

We need a nerf on PK

Like 10 sec increase to imp cast

[light fulcrum]

😂

[prisma crane]

def a fight where horde have massive advantage

[daring aspen]

Really?

We havnt noticed :(

[ionic fern]

Everyones BE anyways so you can just chain them .

[timid jay]

Not a especially hard fight anyway

Could say alliance has the advantage on argus with a NE collecting orbs ;)

[brazen whale]

hi there. just started argus progress and I see a lot of warriors using arrarat's.. what is the reason to what those extra charges? thx

[undone sun]

Likely their job is collecting orbs

Double SR can be pretty handy for that

Ararat's aren't really useful other than that though for argus

No reason to use them if you're actively tanking

[brazen whale]

ha, makes sense yes. didnt even see p2 yet so i'll stick with gloves/wrists I guess, or is ring god tier here?

[undone sun]

Not if you already have gloves, belt/gloves are usually the best. imo even bracers are lack luster for 80% of the fight, i used them for prog but came to the realization they didn't save me in the slightest with only marginal help overall

Bracers are definitely still worth using for more consistent damage intakes but since argus is already mainly about CD management it's hard to justify bracers

[molten rivet]

Very noobish question: Can you spellreflect necrotic?

[brazen whale]

@undone sun ok thx for the tips

[undone sun]

No

Np @brazen whale

[long gorge]

It's hard handling Saprish with necrotic specifically since resetting stacks is proving v. hard - do you guys have any tips?

[restive scroll]

Run spalz, ALWAYS wait for his charge (he'll apply another stack on you otherwise)

And if you can be kinda low on remaining timer just after a charge, that's a bonus in only one leap instead of 2/3

[long gorge]

What is spalz? #o_o#

I feel like when he charges his bird is on me and when his bird isn't on me he's there

[restive scroll]

legendary pauldron?

[long gorge]

oh shoulders!

[restive scroll]

thank you, don't know why i always block that one out of my head

You can kite enough thanks to the shoulders, although you don't really want to use every stacks for that

Oh, and run the lower leap cd instead of the increase radius of TC if you don't already

[molten rivet]

We didn't have shoulders for our tries. So we ended up two tanking the boss XD not exactly ideal

[long gorge]

I have the shoulders 😛

so it's a bunny hop boss

[restive scroll]

frankly without them, you need 2 BR, i'm guessing. Depending on key level

[long gorge]

thanks 😄

[molten rivet]

Shoulders are really the only legendary I'm missing -.-'

That'll teach me for taking a break from wow

[restive scroll]

It's still doable without dying, with luck

[long gorge]

we'll get it next time ^_^

[restive scroll]

or in 2 weeks :D

[molten rivet]

Aye, I did get a few times of shrugging the debuff off. But with low dps, high key and Tyrannical... arg...

[restive scroll]

yeup. one, if not the, worst boss of the week

[sage sphinx]

Do you all ever use Neltharions fury in the rotation when soaking Argus stacks?

[undone sun]

Yes, guaranteed crit block is very useful for that

Thyme

Scythe 1: SBlock + DS
Scythe 2: SBlock + SW
Scythe 3: SBlock + LS and DS
Scythe 4: NF
Scythe 5: Die
Phase three planning

in #protection · Mar 29, 2018, 5:34 PM

Is my usual cd management

At least for prog

[sage sphinx]

NF for a later scythe???

Isn’t LS and SW far superior?

Where is spell reflection on your rotation?

[undone sun]

Why would one use Magic DR for physical damage intake

And no, afaik NF is stronger with 7/7 bastion traits

[timid jay]

Unless you crit block with your SB in earlier scythes then yes, NG is stronger than ls or sw

Though I am interested why you DS the first scythe :GWchadThink:

[undone sun]

Usually just lines up for when i start tanking, granted i'm not the first in p3