and want the DS healing memes
#protection
ember arrow
regal knoll
Cheers, yeah I tend to run out...but was just practising/testing with spell replect
ember arrow
also aelor, warbringer is better choice once u start being comfortable wit it
charge a melee dps next to an add
bam 2.5 sec stun
stun has no diminishing returns either
regal knoll
Sounds good yeah, just thought since it's teeming, AoE stunn would be quite handy ๐
ember arrow
warbinger is aoe too
regal knoll
Gues I misread that one ๐ Cheers
smoky oak
how do you have no role? ๐ฎ
ember arrow
hes not blessed by Eyir
regal knoll
Guess I need to still do that
regal knoll
Will need to check how ๐
timid jay
again
smoky oak
F
ember arrow
F
regal knoll
ahhh rightie, rip then
timid jay
@raven ore Manual role fix? Or are you sleeping
ember arrow
wadner went off when u pinged
grave grove
Smh cosmo
timid jay
grave grove
๐
timid jay
๐
regal knoll
Was doing MoS10, trying it out, but went fairly well....no failed pulls, was +1, but not my fault ๐ DPS just couldnt do more ๐
Liking my new coloured name ๐ thnx
ember arrow
great job
failed pull is ninjapull?
or u pull too much?
id say as long as u dont die and most dps dont, its always a good pull
regal knoll
Failed pull is pull dogs and lantern guy e.g ๐
Gladly I was in groups that get LoS
regal knoll
Ahhh rightie, not that pro yet myself ๐ learning as I go ๐
regal knoll
Appreciate that ๐ just doing many dungs to get the experience.
winged sage
If u got some melee dps in your party u can macro intercept on focus target and pick this melee in focus
For easy warbeinger stuns
regal knoll
Will work on those, I just learn one little trick at the time, otherwise I mess it up ๐ Just did EoA +12, but that start group, there's a mob there I now understand that's only there in teeming weeks....that needs interrupting ๐ hurts like hell
Wrangler
ionic fern
He does a AoE ability that needs to be stunned
Can't remember what it's called.
He's also in the pack before the first boss.
regal knoll
Lightning something, it wasnt stunned ๐
ionic fern
Lightning Prod.
regal knoll
There ya go
That second pack, went without issues, in general, run went fairly ezzz
Wanna try an arcway later though, to see how it goes with the pack before General Xakal
regal knoll
Yeah I recall how I did that on my blood DK ๐ but after I levelled this warr (at first merely for the heritage armor)....haven't touched my DK or Monk ๐
ember arrow
its only for the inquisitor's Prophecies of Doom cast
which can be LOS though
but pugs and LOs
etc etc
regal knoll
I know, but today it actually went ok LoS, in general they have no idea what it is ๐
ember arrow
u shud ask be4hand
regal knoll
Most get it in HoV, but for some reason not in other places
ember arrow
esp on non-dk or dh tanks u shud make sure dps know when to hide
since u cant pull interrupt adds
regal knoll
Yeah, I actually explained before we entered the key
ember arrow
nice
regal knoll
Even so, it doesnt always work ๐
regal knoll
I mean, even after explaining, people still rush in
ember arrow
also in arcway dont forget to reflect tons of chaosbolts
ember arrow
theyre only good on certain places
not good in general
i would argue with goof cc rotation not needed in arcway either
good
regal knoll
There's a few situational legos
Will see how it goes, gotta run now ๐ Thnx for all the tips
ember arrow
gl
next goblet
hmmm 945 PK ring or 945 Vitriolic intent.. basically do i want more haste or more mastery.. im thinkin haste even though im at 30% already
timid jay
Haste is the right answer
shut summit
ye
signal plover
hold my beer
next goblet
lol
west kayak
@signal plover I said the same thing to my co-tank when she got clipped by the first Foe-Breaker. Hold my beer, watch this!
wild spruce
Question;
Searching for the Prot hidden appearance.
The script (/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44311))
/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44312)) ) -
What does each line mean?
stable bear
its basicly just outputting the result to chat of the isquestcomplete function for that daily quest identifier
wild spruce
Right, I get that. I'm talking about the return values.
What quest or trigger, etc?
I get false/false but no idea what it correlates to.
stable bear
cant remember the specifics as its been awhile, but i believe one is for the availability of the daily quest upon entering the cave and one is for the shield actually being up ie "you hear a roar inside"
i could be wrong there
signal plover
@west kayak NF is pretty sweet on aggyboi
west kayak
Got MajorDomo's Dinner Bell in my M+ Cache. 960.
sick sentinel
I got a crit neck. Yay.
hearty compass
hey all i was just wandering which trinket is better for prot warrior 940 dimas glacial aegis (2994 str) or riftworld codex 935 (1345 crit)
hearty compass
ok great thanks
west kayak
But the Codex is quite nice in M+.
junior ivy
NO UPGRADE OF COURSE
sick sentinel
codex is good diimas is better imo codex generaly overheals us with bracers
west kayak
Once you get to a certain iLvl, it is rather infrequent that you will get an upgrade in the cache.
Granted I will be playing around with my Dinner Bell tonight and check it out.
junior ivy
tis been like 2 months since i got an upgrade from it
west kayak
Actual upgrade for me, from the cache has been a very long time. Just got two relic upgrades last week in ABT. Makes up for not getting a single one for the past few months... hehe
junior ivy
ive barely been raiding so like .. not getting any upgrades in general lol
west kayak
I just get picked up by random groups and clear out N/H ABT.
honest mantle
can warrior tanks do both empowered flame rends on mythic aggramar?
timid jay
With CD's for the second sure
If its 10 people in the second one its 28.5M damage to you
undone sun
๐
grim prism
Think if I resub I can finally beat that MT challenge?
prisma crane
pretty easily
junior ivy
is tol barad ever alliance controlled lol ugh
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
lone umbra
can we talk about the first m+ cache I ever got on my druid... still have yet to see one of these on my prot warr >_<
empty flax
I'm a fury warrior main and looking to play some prot.
Is the best way to still go Tos 4 set Antorus 2 Set ?
timid jay
If you have really high ilvl on the ToS 4p
empty flax
I have heard that even lfr tos pieces win mythic antorus pieces
Maybe they were just rumors
undone sun
T20 4pc is worth dropping if it's a 25 ilevel difference
undone sun
Defensively, yes
T21 4pc is also dependent on the fight as well, not great for every fight in antorus especially if it's an ilevel drop
empty flax
For dps 2pc and high ilvl/good stat offpieces ?
timid jay
Yup
empty flax
Also what leges do u use nowadays ?
undone sun
Bracers/gloves/belt usually
empty flax
When antorus went live the best was Waist + Wall ring
undone sun
Legs are very niche in dungeons and TWF only if you don't have gloves
regal knoll
Using lego gloves, so going for T21 myself....am quite used and fond of the T21 bonus
Is T20 that much better? I only play this warr recently
timid jay
The reason it was belt+TWF was because most were still using 4p + 2p
So no space for kakushan then
empty flax
So u use gloves pretty much all the time now then ?
timid jay
Yup
undone sun
More or less, yup
undone sun
Bracers if you would need the healing, belt for aoe
regal knoll
Don't have the belt yet, but got a few equipement settings that I change per situation
empty flax
The best talents still are Devastator/Booming Voice/Anger management right ?
undone sun
Yup
regal knoll
Using vengeance myself, not bad for rage management too right?
undone sun
Not if you have t21
GCD locked out of properly weaving to make the most out of vengeance, and frankly the rage efficiency is no longer needed
empty flax
Stats are pretty much. Ilvl > Haste > Mastery > Vers > Crit right ?
timid jay
Mastery and versa depends a bit on what encounter it is
But generally mastery is stronger
analog swift
tanking mythic ATB tonight, outside of fatboss and artof war any guides or videos (esp on prot warriors) yall would recomend?
timid jay
If you want warrior PoV of the fights I always recommend sense, not as much of a guide as just unedited warrior PoV
signal plover
Both
prisma crane
signal plover
^ IRL pic of Sense btw he's cute
prisma crane
but stern
shut summit
prisma crane
โ ๐คฆ
regal knoll
Just did my MoS13, but for 940, I think that's my limit this week ๐ ....need to learn better to time my spell reflects on first boss....I'd die instantly if it was Tyrannical ๐
regal knoll
Dont have those ๐ gloves and wrists
Other legos I got are prydaz, the antorus one and the speed shoulders
junior ivy
its easy once you have leggo pants
you get 2 charges of spell reflect
so you can SR every one with the legs
regal knoll
Yeah I know, but I can't miss one on him for sure....or at least need to use a good DEF every time he uses that on Tyr
junior ivy
yup. SR when you can and for the others use shield wall, last stand, wjhatever you got
regal knoll
Exactly, I also use spell reflect of lantern dude, works wonders
Everyone was close to dead....I was still full health ๐
junior ivy
its always fun in m+ when you learn you can spell reflect big boss abilities and totally negate them
in DHT, on the tree boss, when he grabs you and picks you up.. spell reflect!
regal knoll
It was also very handy during the mage tower, P2
junior ivy
and in cathedral, second last boss, when everyone has to hide in the center... stay outside of it and spell reflect
regal knoll
Didnt know that one, the CoEN one.....I did notice that before that 2nd boss.....those mob groups hurt af....dunno how to do that part well yet
undone sun
Dht isn't a complete reflect
regal knoll
Unless it's pug DPS that didnt do their part well....like kiling the books
undone sun
Yeah, 50% DR
regal knoll
I did notice that when I used IP with the tree boss when he grabbed me....it didn't give me the "shield", or it's instantly used?
Or it just hurts a lot?
junior ivy
hey thyme that mount addon that lets me copy peoples mounts isnt working ๐ฆ
i used to press K and it would match the mount of my target
undone sun
It does hurt a lot, though depending on gear and key level
considering it's magic damage you'll likely need a CD
Hmm, did something else get bound to K and overright the addon binding? otherwise idk
junior ivy
maybe, but i just remembered how to fix iut
in keybinding menu
so its all good
its one of my favourite addons lol
regal knoll
Guess I'll press SR next time....I'll check that link someone replied to me earlier about what attacks are considered magic dmg
I'm 940 atm, so I guess that +13 is my limit for now....hopefully will gear up some more after reset
Next key is Upper K though....interesting, havent tried that yet ๐
ember arrow
u can stand in curator pool wit SR up
and take literally 0 dmg
it coutns as reflected
undone sun
Tirathon's Hatred too
Pretty sure both are mentioned in the spreadsheet
Er well hatred is
undone sun
Yes
ember arrow
so what exactly is different now
undone sun
Debuff doesn't reflect
ember arrow
but dmg does?
undone sun
Yeah
ember arrow
ahh so its not that bad
@regal knoll another thing u can reflect, the arcane missiles on medivh
jsut make sure group knows it so they dont kick it
placid citrus
what is "skystep" and how its done on Mythic Imonar?
undone sun
Speed potion
placid citrus
really? is that all?)
timid jay
Pretty much yeah
regal knoll
Owwww nice one, those missiles hurt af ๐
prisma crane
@placid citrus its a 150% movement speed buff for 8 sec
junior ivy
wow tol barad makes me mad
regal knoll
I guess with HoV higher keys you need an experiences group :LD Group on top...........mystisc werent interrupted ๐ a lock was not playing w his doomguard ๐
ember arrow
kick mystic
or kite the whole group
and they dont do anything
how in the fuck
does someoen pull patrol
form the second boss in cos
he literally pulls patrol
from the second boss while stacked on me
are u fucking serious
merry cave
Hey levko do curator puddles reflect damage?
merry cave
Shame lol
merry cave
Stack pools inatantlu nuke him during evo
merry cave
Yeah
ember arrow
u can walk tru them basically for 5 secodns
regal knoll
I was kiting what I could lol, they stayed alive.....just a bad group nps ๐
merry cave
Can't say I've ever tried (or needed too)
regal knoll
I even killed the 2 big guys below for more space ๐
ember arrow
which ones?
ur supposed to clear 2 golems
and al ltrash in his corridor
and all ghosts
regal knoll
I mean the partrol in HoV, down the stairs
ember arrow
also immune to interrupts
so never pull sentinels wit normal trash
unless ur group has mongo dps
or if outgearing content ofc ๐
regal knoll
I never do that nope, but wasnt use to clearing them before ๐
ember arrow
when pulling wolves be4 fenryr
wait 8 seconds after pull and intercept ranged dps
wolves shud jump on them
and they take 30% less dmg
u take it but u dont care as tank
also when fenryr uses bloodscent tell everyone to not move
u intercept histarget
target can stand still while u intercept fenryr melees
so hps/dps can go on without needing to run away
wall of text oh well
wild spruce
How easy is Argus/Legionfall stuff as prot? I recently just got back into WoW and just hit 110.
undone sun
Easy, just as any other tank it'll likely take less time than doing it as a DPS role would but otherwise there's zero problems
World content is trivial as a tank
wild spruce
So should I do them as DPS but don't use the ap items until I'm in my prot spec?
round hornet
you get so much ap now
you can get concordance iwth like 1 or 2 ap items I think?
which you should prolly do on both specs
wild spruce
gotcha ty!
languid rose
look at ap of item, look at ap for level, figure out when you actually reach a point that holding it for a specific spec will matter
hallow phoenix
Something fucky going on with this sim. My 950 Diimas simming higher than a 985 wut
junior ivy
do dk tanks suck at aggro?
junior ivy
i keep pulling off this tank in coven pug
hallow phoenix
I can do that to most tanks. Warrior rips threat off anyone I find
junior ivy
but like even whenm im trying really hard not to, not even using BC
i still get aggro
tis messing up stacks :/
languid rose
@hallow phoenix unless they fixed it, gear compare doesn't factor damage taken properly on all but the base sim
hallow phoenix
sadface
@junior ivy yeah thats just theplayer's problem, not a fault of the DK class
languid rose
on the report page you can copy the raw input, paste it into the advanced option instead of gear compare, and add single_actor_batch="0" https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kdsd2125kyScJvXYWuWQuJ
at least that's what thyme said to do when i had that before
undone sun
Yeah, looking at it now doesn't seem to be that big of a difference in terms of damage taken though
Disregard that, was looking at wrong link
PC's statement is correct
junior ivy
wow that coven heroic pug 2 shotted it
a rare occurance
and the cute little dk tank, it was his first time doin it
hallow phoenix
Thx @languid rose that works like a charm
languid rose
man i love pugging, something makes tanks 25 ilvls below you think they have a hope of taking aggro first
languid rose
no that's the blood dk
ember arrow
i know
languid rose
and then he got so used to taunting a bunch that he taunted as soon as he stepped back into the stack on argus
ember arrow
LUL
gaunt coyote
Kakushans vs wallls fell?
sick sentinel
kakushans probably
walls fell is also good but you are not going to use that often
undone sun
Unless you have tier combo gloves always beat ring in terms of rage generation and damage
sick sentinel
^
gaunt coyote
kakushans ended up being my last prot leggo
prisma crane
oh man
with 2p2p and some "great" gear from my M+ caches these last few wks
i can hit 44% crit
prisma crane
idk, you tell me, blizzard seems content on sending me this crit >>>>>>>>>>> anything else gear left and right
today
last wk
timid jay
That's a FeelsBadMan right there
timid jay
Doesn't make it very nice
prisma crane
nope
so yea, that's what Tues/Wed(EU) means to me
crit
lol
and
btw
almost ALWAYS 960 base
except that one 980
so pvp upgrade
timid jay
Something I guess
prisma crane
yup
timid jay
Think I only reach 986 or something in PvP gear
prisma crane
my shaman, that wants crit, gets haste mastery shit all day long lol
gaunt coyote
maybe you can cap crit and mastery so you never can get hit
prisma crane
977 for me
gaunt coyote
๐
gaunt coyote
A shame mastery- block ratio is so low
prisma crane
yea
merry cave
I got a 980 chest with 1600 mast and some haste but can't use it because 960 tier chest is needed for 2pce -_-
prisma crane
for my mastery set?
im actually at 99.64 atm
i just relogged ill link my armory
undone sun
Wow
undone sun
Makes argus scythes a joke
prisma crane
i have another ring that would put me close
yea
2p2p though too lol
haste is low though, if i can get my hands on an ATV
then i'll be set
junior ivy
im on felhounds myhtic, annd sometimes on fire dog, i get pulled way up into the air
why?
how can i avoid that?
sick sentinel
its a mechanic you cant
junior ivy
๐ฆ
sick sentinel
when he casts it fire thingy like 4 people gets pulled up air
glacial vale
just killed mythic aggramar! FeelsGoodMan
undone sun
๐ nice
prisma crane
grats
sick sentinel
gz bro
glacial vale
now onto argus. monkaMEGA
undone sun
Updated the SR sheet to Include Hatred from Tirathon and Power Dishcarge from Curator. Along with the addition for Extra damage numbers for keys 15s, 20s, and 25s including Tyran
jagged bay
gz!
junior ivy
i think i finally can tank fire dog properly
sick sentinel
thyme you sure power discharge can be reflected?
sense linked logs here that it was not actualy reflect
undone sun
Seems to be more of a deflect than a reflect like scrolling texts indicate
Damage definitely isn't taken but guess it doesn't reflect back to curator like a normal reflect does
sick sentinel
yeah damage is not taken im sure of it
but i wasnt sure if curator takes the damage back
i tried votw boss after people said it takes the damage back and its good amount of damage
undone sun
Same could be said about hatred, haven't looked too deep into it and when i tested it logs weren't running
Oh it does actually reflect?
sick sentinel
i have seen boss taking ticking damage back in game
didnt check logs
people did send here some
i will check hatred now
yeah he does take the damage back
undone sun
Neat, thanks
sick sentinel
if you keep reflect up you dont take damage from curators power discharge but curator doesnt take damage back
it was known facts but just to be sure ๐
sick sentinel
Any ideas for trinkets for M+ bosses? Looking to increase single target damage
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel for ST try to get chrono shard memento or high ilvl haste stat stick
we dont have that much option for it since every dps trinket from raids is nerfed for us
also you can sim your gear now we have working simc
undone sun
Mostly just stat sticks and high strength trinkets that sim high
Really just depends on your available options
round vortex
Momento of Angerbola from Maw of Souls is amazing for ST and is the best option.
The 1000ilvl pantheon trinket is next best even in M+.
Failing those 2 i just stick with Diima's because of the strength lol
sick sentinel
Thanks for all the help!
junior ivy
does ji kun mount drop on normal?
undone sun
Pretty sure it does
junior ivy
cool
minor gyro
Hey so I'm just starting up port warr, and I was wondering about stat priority, legendary priority and talents?
junior ivy
umm theres some sort of guide in the pins
for stats we like ilvl a lot. and haste. and mastery is okay i think..
im bad at this lol
the guide in the pins has everyhting
minor gyro
Ok sorry didn't see that. Thanks
latent hollow
quick question, intolerance or will to survive?
i'm thinking intolerance to pool for rage for ip and such
undone sun
Will to survive
Intolerance is literally the bottom most trait
Encourages rage capping which we should never do
cloud quail
I've been running the 4p 20/2p 21 as guides suggest, but as my guild progresses further into mythic (we're working on imonar), should I ditch my heroic-lvl 4p for higher ilvl off-pieces? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/uldaman/teufelshunde
junior ivy
iu think the rule of thumb is once a repalcement piece of gear is 25 ilvls higher, take it
cloud quail
gotcha, ty
bitter grove
How important is it for prot warriors to do great dps? The best prot warrior I've ever seen was pulling 1.8 mil dps in a +20 while also tanking effectively and requiring very few external heals. Why can't all tanks do this? Why don't all prot warriors do this?
fathom hollow
good tanks push their dps as far as they can while still surviving
ionic fern
Eee..in m+ every DPS matters.
New tanks focus on surviving..if you get better over time you can start focusing on DPS since you know the damage intake/the pulls/ your CD's etc
Tanks who think all they have to do is stay alive and keep agro are ๐ .
vast spindle
on mythic argus p3 our prot warrior has an issue dying on the 5th scythe. he occasionally crit blocks and lives so he has starting turning his back at .5 on the timer for scythe. however sometimes in that .5 he gets meleed and dies. To remedy this we are thinking about having the gauridan druid do his job and let the prot warrior soak orbs. Thoughts?
undone sun
Turn your back
vast spindle
to make sure scythe 5 kills him
vast spindle
but the issue is he gets meleed before the scythe happens
undone sun
Just have to time it well, not to get meleed before the scythe
restive scroll
otherwise Can't you remove your arm in combat anymore?
undone sun
can unequip your weapon to reduce your health ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
restive scroll
not shield no block
undone sun
Or make a cancelaura macro for Sblock, IP and any other shields/absorbs
restive scroll
no critical bloc
undone sun
Turning your back is a guarantee death though
restive scroll
'course, but timming is critical
undone sun
can be tricky but after so many pulls the challenge goes down ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
unborn island
@bitter grove good prot warriors will. I reckon that counts for a lot of the people who post here.
undone sun
I cannot even guess which trinket that was
sick sentinel
yeah
queen fulcrum
^^
undone sun
Not g ood
sick sentinel
damn. got tricked again - dare u blizzard
yeah though itยดll be like that
thanks for confirm my man ๐
upper spoke
any necrotic tricks this week?
SR pants? is 4p/2p still best?
i play too many tnaks
tanks*
undone sun
Legs don't have any value specifically for necrotic, stuns and kites
We don't have any cheese for necrotic
restive scroll
except on mobs that only do magic melees
undone sun
And the tier combo only comes down to the ilevel difference, worth dropping at 25 ilevel difference
restive scroll
such as (if not the only one) the adds on last boss of seat
modern dew
what would be better
current relic - 960 rage of the fallen, master of shadows, thunder crash
or - 965 dragon skin, murderous intent, rage of the fallen ?? is the +2 ilvl worth dropping the 2nd tier talent ?
deft sapphire
The 960 is better
modern dew
ty ๐
midnight yacht
@vast spindle even if he survives the 5th. Just get him to go collect orbs to die
grand trellis
how does spell reflect work with necrotic? new to warrior tanking
obsidian siren
Just go full dmg and kil emm before they kill you o/
Ei bois can i ask for your opinion on relics?
960 +1% stam
vs 950 man'ari blood pact
MoS + BoA is reaaaaaally tempting but 1% stam just plain right sucks :/
deft sapphire
Dps shadow bind surv mos
Just choose your priority
Iโd go for the 960 probably
obsidian siren
Isn't infusion of light equivalent to shadowbind from a dps standpoint?
deft sapphire
Shadowbind is a bit better than infusion cause it damages and heals you
But on pure dps they are similar
Xd
deft sapphire
Unless you proc the infusion heal (which I donโt think you can unless you take impeding victory)
Or victory rush stuff I gurss
obsidian siren
I think it's something like shadowbind hits harder, but infusion more often
deft sapphire
All the damage proc traits are tuned to be roughly equivalent for pure dps purposes
Infusion/shadowbind/ttw etc
Unless you have a buff for a particular school of magic if you look at the math they are close enough to equal
Oh secure in the light is the only other one, the only problem with secure and infusion is if you have heals they โstealโ the procs to heal instead of dps
timid jay
IoL is 4 RPPM and shadowbind is 2 RPPM ๐ค
timid jay
: Yellow Melee, White Ranged, Yellow Ranged, AOE Heal, AOE Hostile Spell, Heal, Hostile Spell, Periodic, Trap Triggered```
For IoL, idk if it procs off insPresthe healing part of the NLC is usually trash anyway, even for healing specs
timid jay
Yeah but if it procs off that its a decent dps "nerf" to it
obsidian siren
the IoL procs for healing and dmg seem desynced tho
deft sapphire
Oh yeah iol procs off insp, secure doesnโt iirc but maybe Iโm wrong
And Iโm pretty sure the heal proc steals the dps proc
timid jay
Not seeing anything that says they are desynced in spelldata
Then again, I'm not really good at it
obsidian siren
don't mind me, i didn't actually get what you were saying ๐
That'd be a consequent dps nerf if it was the case tho :/
deft sapphire
I have one on my prot spec
timid jay
Want to go digging now
deft sapphire
I checked it procced on other people
timid jay
Did you check the rough overall PPM?
deft sapphire
Nah I only looked at one log so I couldnโt really tell
timid jay
As I said, I'm not the best when it comes to spelldata but it looked like it would split among healing/damage ๐ค
obsidian siren
Now i'm curious about SitL too ><
i got both on my arms weapon, but no recent fucking log ๐
timid jay
SitL is 3rppm and basically the same on everything else in spelldata
Dont think you have any heal to trigger it as arms though
obsidian siren
Touch of zakajz
deft sapphire
That doesnโt trigger it
deft sapphire
The only things I found were second wind and I didnโt test victory rush but that should
timid jay
@chilly hemlock Infusion of light shares procs among the heal and damage effect right?`
deft sapphire
Nah soul/wrists/prydaz donโt proc it
obsidian siren
but inspiring pres does ๐ฎ
undone sun
Yup
chilly hemlock
wellfuck
timid jay
Pretty sure secure in the light works the same way
So neither is especially good for prot warrior dps
deft sapphire
Well maybe, for raid at least
timid jay
yeah, sure for dungeons without InsPres
chilly hemlock
yeah sitl and iol work the same way
You don't really change relics between raids and m+ though
obsidian siren
Nah, but could be worth taking into account before picking
deft sapphire
Regardless shadowbind is the best one for dps imo
obsidian siren
If you only tnak M+ or raids or whatevs
chilly hemlock
and if you have different tanks, you don't pick warrior for m+
deft sapphire
Lol thatโs true
obsidian siren
Yea, shadowbind is reliable and hits like a truck
chilly hemlock
Shadowbind / Chaotic darkness > TTW >> rest imo
undone sun
Yes
deft sapphire
Necrotic works on absorbs as well
Prot warrior would be pretty cool for necrotic if it didnt
upper spoke
so maybe ill consider shoulders + something, & just kite a lot
deft sapphire
Nah be a man and stick it out with warrior
timid jay
Is it ok to change for me? ๐
upper spoke
i stuck it out. using downtime to test the waters of the other tanks
and cosmo, never
silk mortar
upper spoke
you can heal the big boy tanks
we'll get u some pull-ups
and put on the "im a big kid now" commercial for inspiration
timid jay
I'm even doing antorus on my DK now
timid jay
oof
upper spoke
lol
timid jay
Nah, just a normal clear for trinket upgrade
upper spoke
im jk
timid jay
Been slacking on my DK
obsidian siren
gripslaves wanted on aggramar? ๐
upper spoke
youre a good sport
deft sapphire
If you arenโt gonna be warrior you may as well go full fotm and play blood dk
timid jay
My cotank is blood already
deft sapphire
Like me ๐
timid jay
and we have another DK who goes for grip duty on agg and bitchtank on vari/argus
chilly hemlock
have mandl switch back to bear
timid jay
@viral arch you're maining bear now
deft sapphire
Bdk is fun in keys at least
deft sapphire
Not sure about raid, all I do these days is pug keys on bdk
undone sun
Pretty good for antorus
deft sapphire
I donโt think you should order someone to main bear thatโs a harsh thing to do
undone sun
Except for argus ๐
obsidian siren
Play VDH ๐
timid jay
VDH is the most fun in keys imo
timid jay
prot paladin is pretty fun with the bouncy legs
deft sapphire
I pref blood
timid jay
The mobility is just so bad
deft sapphire
I donโt want to actually ever have to think about mitigation so prot pally is out the window
Blood just has passive and a big hp pool
Mmmmmm
obsidian siren
My prot pally has aggs+sephuz, so mobility is fine ๐
timid jay
and mgll
upper spoke
what do u mean passive? dont you need the 3s recently used DS buff?
chilly hemlock
you only need it for a few dungeon mechanics
undone sun
That's only in dungeons
upper spoke
i realized that if i want to not think about mitigation, i should just play my BRM.
oh
deft sapphire
I never played prot last expac I only actually started playing prot cause it was op in week one... I never actually enjoyed playing with sb I just have to since itโs my main and I can tank
deft sapphire
Same deal with blood, I donโt like the dps specs
upper spoke
i still dont know how to dps ;p simming just seems too tedious
upper spoke
really?
timid jay
Yeah
undone sun
Same
timid jay
Outside of relics I dont care about survivability anymore
chilly hemlock
same
chilly hemlock
I simmed my 870 prot warrior because I needed one for tests
undone sun
Lol
upper spoke
sacrificing that self-healing just puts my life too much into the hands of my healers
upper spoke
i prefer to control my own destiny via massive IP and self heals
timid jay
^
chilly hemlock
don't even need leggo bracers
Although dying to vari on prog because you're going full dps and healers ignore you feels bad
chilly hemlock
3 unmitigated melees :(
deft sapphire
You donโt die on vari if youโre prot warrior!
chilly hemlock
only pally
because sotr is busted
and because progging with seraphim is interesting
timid jay
That fight is a real snoozefest for everyone but monks though
Also
WIping on normal aggramar
timid jay
lol
chilly hemlock
TWICE
undone sun
Lol
timid jay
Imagine foe breaker that actually killed people in LFR though
bright mortar
I'm still missing bracers & AHR, should I equip TWF & Gloves when I don't need pants ?
Was usually using pants gloves
Since well I don't have bracers
lul
undone sun
Belt/gloves
copper cedar
Belt
regal knoll
Morning folks ๐ ....soooo.........necrotic.......... ๐ I started in VotW on a 10 key, but that didnt go well,. esp first boss.....besides that DPS didnt do anything about the adds........which moment I jump away, since he keeps chasing me ๐
mortal carbon
so you want to know when you can reset stacks?
regal knoll
Well, I know that I need to be out of range and wait for the reset.....but this boss didnt leave me alone, so I can all but do and take the beating?
I dont have problems w mob groups btw, just bosses
mortal carbon
first boss votw leap out when he casts darkslashes or whatever
and on his ibeam works too
darkstrike dark Energies and fel mortar
should be enough to reset your stacks
fel mortar maybe not it's just a 2 seconds cast
regal knoll
Ah oki, so basicaslly per boss you need to find the moment where he stands still doing some sort of cast/skill, right?
undone sun
A lot of bosses have long enough casts for that to not be a problem, otherwise yes
regal knoll
Like Heimdall, when he throws that Dancing Blade
regal knoll
Got it ๐ Cheers.....and look for a group that CCs lol, since I was the only one in that group being aware of necrotic for some reason ๐
undone sun
Wowhead and wowdb stat physical
mortal carbon
mhh ok
ionic fern
Necrotic = kite prettymuch as far as i've understood it's kinda rough on warriors since IP gets screwed over by it and you don't have a reliable way of resetting them while in combat.
ANd i just got trolled by being scrolled up..again.
mortal carbon
well you have a slow shockwave leap to kite
ionic fern
Jeah but i mean reset while not kiting.
mortal carbon
most tanks have this problem
ionic fern
Pally Master class. ๐ค๐ฝ
Stupid question, does SR deny any applications of Necrotic?
Guess not since it isn't really a "Spell" cast at you?
timid jay
It doesnt
ember arrow
@mortal carbon darkstrikes is magic dmg
his autoattacks become magic
theyre blockable, if u dont block them, he gains shield
the cast itself only empowers boss
he doesnt apply necrotic during it im pretty sure
mortal carbon
good
ember arrow
since its magic dmg melees
mortal carbon
i always used sp for it ๐
mortal carbon
sure
regal knoll
Just did MoS+10. Mental note; don't try to leap with Helya, doenst always work well ๐
Dark slashes went well, and ended up killing both boss 2 and 3 with 3 people ๐
mortal carbon
hov or maw?
regal knoll
Maw of Souls
regal knoll
People didnt focus on adds w 2nd boss, and the Scythe ofc.....and it seems not everyone yet knows to watch Helya's hand....tried to leap with Helya, worked a few times, but one time it didnt didnt work....so I chose to just stand in front of her....went all right....dps was fairly low for a 10
Owww lol, Helya
Intercepting the tentacles is also not always a good idea
hollow vessel
Yo are wrists + prydaz okay for raids?
mortal carbon
wrists bis prydaz is okay
dusk locust
our guild starts M aggramar prog thursday. is there some rule-of-thumb tanks follow to minimize taeshalach technique mistakes and get the taunt swaps/positioning right?
dusk locust
it isn't quite random
bright mortar
yeah but the pattern orders are random
dusk locust
i've seen the "predictive" weakauras that kind of tell you waht's coming up
bright mortar
that's waht I meant
dusk locust
yeah
i'm hoping there's some rule like "always taunt before the second foe breaker" kind of rule i can pass the tanks
bright mortar
dunno
I'm the DK that does the grip
but our tanks didn't struggle with technique so far
and they're just stupid asf
dusk locust
lol
bright mortar
so u should be able to do it
dusk locust
i am but a lowly rogue, but i'm raid lead ๐
bright mortar
well, just learn the patterns by heart and call spells when he's about to start the cast
that's how our leader does
and so good so far
dusk locust
gotcha. i'm just looking to remove as much mystery up front as i can to minimize wipes
technique is just one of the pieces of the puzzle
bright mortar
definitely not the biggest one then lol
bright mortar
i'll link u a clip in dm
dusk locust
are you calling for pushes and such?
bright mortar
not mine tho
but I follow what the dk does
call for knocks/bumps
and make sure they're not too spread
and also make sure some mages don't cleave on them
dusk locust
is ring of peace viable for keeping the adds back or does that cause them to spread
bright mortar
it causes them to spread but it's not a big deal
dusk locust
do you guys slow the adds?
bright mortar
should be used when typhoon/shinning force are on cd
yeah with hunter traps and dnd
dusk locust
drawing a blank... dnd?
bright mortar
from talent
wich reduces mass grip cd and makes dnd slow
but what will make you kill this boss is correctly managin' healing cd's with technique and stacks on the raid
signal plover
@dusk locust I did grip duty for us I'll DM u
dusk locust
thanks!
sick sentinel
Hey guys, i got a legendary question, i just got mannoroths, right now i have kakushans and thungergods, is it best to skip kakushans or thundergods?
turbid horizon
@sick sentinel you only need to use mannaroths if youre really struggling to stay alive and your healers arent cutting it
But then it depends on the situation, 9/10 times youd use kakushans/mannaroths
But on something like AHC or m+ trash you might be better off with mannaroths/tgv
sick sentinel
im at 27.80 haste and if i remove thundergods i will lose down to 24% if i dont get a good haste belt
26 with mannoroths
turbid horizon
Doesnt matter, use whichever leggos are best for the situation
24% haste sounds like it does suck though
I never drop below 40% lul
sick sentinel
i can send you a link to my armory if you want
prisma crane
no need, just get haste where you can via upgrades, dont hunt it
we dont make legendary choices based off of stats, we do it as Veteran said, based on their effects
analog echo
Hi guys, just skimmed the prot guide.....been plaing the warrior as an alt for DPS and would like to tank some 15 keys just for alts for my group
Don't have good t20 pieces, normal->heroic pieces
Should i go t21 more and just forego the t20, i feel like at 8 mil with my t20 on i would be at risk of getting instagibbed sometimes
timid jay
If you read the t20+t21 post a bit more carefully you'd see 25ilvl higher gear and its not worth using anymore ๐
stark sage
t21 id say is better than 6pc combo for tanking 15s anyway
or just going for a dps set
with 2pc + ilvl
analog echo
yeah can't say my t21 is that much better but i can at least go 2 pcs heroic mixed in with some 930 normal if i want 4 pc
Guide says 4 pc is not that impressive, should i forgo for pieces that are +15 ilvl?
ember arrow
4- is good ddefensiveluy
defensively*
only if relevant damage is blockable, such as aggramar
if u dont need extra surv, then ilvl over 4p is better
analog echo
hm ok i think ill try 2pc and ilvl over 4pc cause my other pieces are normal pieces and i can replace them with 960 haste pieces, haste seems to drop under 30 with the tier i have
Also going mannoroths+ aramats over prydaz and i dont realaly have any other prot specific leggos
stark sage
prydaz is shit
the legs are okay, some fights they are very strong
wrists ofc are insane
grave flower
How is diimas as a trinket on vari for mythic. Thinking Dark moon will still be better. Thoughts?
cinder nova
Maybe I'm a retard
But I need some assistance.
When it comes to blockable mechanics I am using my shield block as early as possible to ensure the following:
โข The mechanic is blocked
โข The preceding attacks are mitigated to help me build a sizeable IP in preparation for the mechanic
Am I overthinking this?
Is it even necessary?
For example, I queue up a block at 4s left on the DBM timer for Fiery Strike so I can maintain or build more IP
So that as little of it as possible it chewing into my HP.
cinder nova
It is.
stark sage
you have to use SR and SW for it
cinder nova
You can block it, last I checked.
stark sage
you can not
cinder nova
Same with maw on dogs.
stark sage
maw hit is blockable, damage stacking is magical
cinder nova
Jesus christ I've been trying to block it.
stark sage
oof
stark sage
its a bit overkill imo
cinder nova
Unless I can keep uptime 100%
stark sage
since autos usually dont hurt
cinder nova
Because swaps are frequent
stark sage
but i see your thinking
cinder nova
On the contrary, autos hurt like a motherfucker. M Imonar hits like a mac truck if you aren't blocking.
I have been 1-shot by him without blocking or any stacks
stark sage
if you are having a real tough time surviving with AM up, because you wind up being low by the time the mechanic hits, using it sooner to prep your hp a bit
can help
however just being efficient with IP and not missing any AMs will be plenty enough
cinder nova
Yeah, but there are instances of high uptime that you can't keep 100% uptime with ShB
Again, dogs.
Or just infrequent swaps due to duration
stark sage
you just have to use SR when the stacks are high
cinder nova
Most fights don't have this issue, like High Command
Okay I think you're missing my inquiry.
stark sage
if you are using SR on low stacks then you are gonna bean yourself later on
you can block 100% of maws
on dogs
you wont have Sr for 100%
cinder nova
I don't have an issue surviving any of this. I've had over 89% damage prevented on dogs. I'm trying to see if it's even necessary to be thinking about Shield Block as a way to prevent my IP getting blown apart in preparation for larger nuke mechanics.
In general.
Not on specific fights.
cinder nova
Any way to help offset the sever bleed on Imonar or am I just using CDs + IP and praying my healers pick up the rest
Feel like I can definitely be doing more.
But
stark sage
how is your 6pc look
cinder nova
Not sure what it is.
stark sage
can help on imonar
cinder nova
Considering all my slots are +35 ilvl over my mythic TOS gear I don't see using it as a benefit.
I dropped it ages ago. I still have it, but I've been really averse to using it because the drop in armor and HP just makes it feel way less useful.
Not to mention STR.
wide field
on Stage 2 of argus you find the tanks will get 6-7 stacks of sweeping scythe while the one is empowered to absorb the orb. The change over seems to be a last minute thing
round hornet
@cinder nova its important to remember that imonar's sever is not mitigated by armor
and don't be afraid to call for externals
if your soaking the red circles AND server and dieing, consider changing strats
cinder nova
We're not soaking mines.
But we are soaking bridge. Sever is just an ass. I'm aware bleed isn't mitigated by armor.
round hornet
kk I just mentioned it since you said you didnt want to go back to using any t20 because of loss
analog echo
What are decent trinkets to go for in raid for m+ tanking. Like I saw the guide but it b doesn't mention trinkets like pk trunk which shines for prot pallies in m+
Wondering if there are similar unmentioned ones for prot war
analog echo
Ah ok must been nub and not read rite lol
sharp lotus
The prot guide says t21 2 piece / t20 4 piece combo + booming voice is optimal, but if I only have t21 2 piece should i still go booming voice over vengeance?
ember arrow
if u have t21 2p u take BV regardless
sharp lotus
alright thank you
west kayak
Vengeance is a no go when it comes to 2pT21
junior ivy
missed timer on brh 19 by like 1 min. sad ๐ฆ
round hornet
rip
upper spoke
how many times weekly can u get the pantheon trinket upgrade item from argus?
jade socket
Once
upper spoke
oh. any difficulty? same as chance to get legendary trinket?
aman'thuls
well not same % chance
jade socket
Normal and higher
upper spoke
but once weekly a shot
sick sentinel
except lfr all same
upper spoke
ok thanks
slate vessel
Go into the mage tower, get one-shot, wonder why, realize all of my gear is broken
RIP
mint fulcrum
is the pantheon upgrade token guaranteed to drop each week once you have the trinket?
jade socket
Yes
mint fulcrum
dope
prisma crane
it's 100% drop after your first kill, regardless of whether or not you have it
mossy dew
What trinkets do you guys recommend for M+
round hornet
depends on the pulls ur doing
and affixes and level
also haven't seen someone with no role in this sevrer before ๐ฎ
mossy dew
No role?
prisma crane
but, there's a few general use trinkets, but let's start with what you have in your bags
round hornet
ur names not warrior colored is all
mossy dew
I have conviction 975, 88 arcano with socket, 950 diimas, 915 haste stat stick.. no codex or immortality yet
junior ivy
whats best class comp for an upper 19?
prisma crane
conviction and diima's is safe
round hornet
BDK and 4 WW ๐ @junior ivy
prisma crane
for upper, pally healer, hunter/pally/DK/mage, etc
really, the worst boss is the worm
merry cave
Lol 4 ww is kinda accurate :P
round hornet
yeah its fine
mossy dew
Oh I got the trinket from dogs too. I guess for heavy magic bosses stack vers trinkets and swap conviction and diimas with codex and maybe a haste stat sick as needed? Do you guys still recommend immortality?
prisma crane
junior ivy
and i guess i need druid heals for bres