protection

[smoky oak]

Lock 100%

Druid and hpal are both very strong in hov

And a hunter/boomkin would be nice for your comp aswell

[junior ivy]

i got boomkin

so far its:

ret pally, boomkin, druid healer, prot warrior

[smoky oak]

Get a lock if you can

[junior ivy]

ill try

[smoky oak]

Make sure he has the Sacrolash's dark strike leggo ring

Makes it easy for you to kite cause he permaslows the trash mobs

[junior ivy]

wait.

this is seat

not hov

okay forget everything i said

for seat 19...

best dps to take?

[smoky oak]

Boomkin lock and boomkin

[junior ivy]

well i got a ret pally

and a boomkie

boomkin

[smoky oak]

Nvm, boomkin lock and whatever melee you can get

You need interrupts for second boss so a melee is always good

[junior ivy]

ok cool

[smoky oak]

Ret pally is good for seat i think

Seat is pretty flexible when it comes to comp but warlock is very strong in there

[junior ivy]

what aobut 2 ret pallies

1 boomie?

or what about monk dps

sorry goin down my friends list lol

[smoky oak]

Monk dps is very good aswell

But double melee is always a bit monkaS in my opinion

[merry cave]

Double melee seat sucks

[junior ivy]

this is ok. we are ok.

[warm plinth]

Lol. EQ player alert

[sick sentinel]

teeming seat good luck

even if its +19

[unborn island]

Just got 975 tier chest from HC 😃

happy happy loosecannon

[warm plinth]

Congrats

[heavy trellis]

Best legendaries for mythic garothi GO . I have them all

[timid jay]

Gloves+bracers for survivability as usual for ST

Gloves+AHR if you can bother with trying to proc it on CD for dps

Otherwise go gloves+belt

[heavy trellis]

Thank you so much !

[round vortex]

I run Gloves and Boots lol. Most of his damage comes from melee swings and he's a lil bitch. I find the boots helps with the running - but thats personal preference TBH. Being speedy is fun

[jade socket]

oof

[mighty mauve]

Guys, I need help, I was wondering if someone can go over end game prot war rotation they do, so I can get an Idea of what I may need to change. I have seen vidoes, I just wanna be sure I'm making the most outa him. I also would like a better understanding of stats, Is versitality best or should I mix in evenly other stats, etc. I also wanna know what kinda Talents you go, I atm run the devastator set up, I feel real confident in my rage gains but I don't think I may be using my rage to the best.

[jade socket]

[west stump]

Oh Jesus... I just tried Devastator after not having used it because I thought it would feel bad

It's even worse than I thought

and I have 22% haste

[vast sedge]

huh

[west stump]

It just feels terrible

It's not at all fun

[vast sedge]

...

[west stump]

My rotation is basically 2 and a half buttons

[junior ivy]

it takes a little getting used to, but its SOOO much better

[west stump]

I know it's far numerically superior

It just feels like absolute shit

It feels like playing a very fast vanilla ret paladin

[junior ivy]

when i first started attempting to use devestator it was during NH heroic .i remember panicking on tichondrius casue my abilities were on CD and i had nothing to do

but now i'd never go back

do you have t21 pc yet?

[west stump]

Like I'm actually having to look at my bar all the time because it disrupts the flow of combat so much

no

[junior ivy]

that helps a lot with making things feel 'fast paced'

[west stump]

Does anyone that has played protection before Legion like this? Like I genuinely don't understand the love it gets

I'm just absolutely floored right now

Devastated, you could say

[junior ivy]

it gets love cause its objectively better than the other talents in the tier. thats all really. helps a lot with our dps too

[upbeat fractal]

-_-

[junior ivy]

i was even more anti-devestator than you. i swear. lol. it jus takes getting used to

[west stump]

I don't mean to sound like an elitist prick, but it really, really feels terrible

I know some in this discord would definitely say I have rose-tinted goggles, too, but

good lord

I've played this expansion for four days and I hate it.

[junior ivy]

lol im so used to it now, it's just natural, and feels right

when i go indom it feels weird as hell

like i forget how to play haha

ive been playing prot warrior since burning crusade

i like this xpac play style

[west stump]

I'd take WoD over this in a heartbeat, and WoD was pretty dreadful

I mean, it was fine when I was using Indomitable

But legendaries are the worst fucking thing

[junior ivy]

which legendaries are you using

[weak mesa]

What don't you like about Devestator?

it makes your life better in every way, it's hard for me to find a reason to dislike it

[delicate coral]

Having less hp

Lul

[weak mesa]

the one time i can sense sarcasm over the internet haha

[delicate coral]

Gottem good

I mean i feel sorry for some almost being equal hp to fury warriors

And that is like sad

[weak mesa]

i hope they remove all our talents in BFA and just have one big talent called Ultraindominatable, increase HP by 500%

so we can just keep pressing devestator and no other cds cause our HP would be so big

[delicate coral]

Or just the opposite

"You must have hp equal to lowest hp clothwearer in you group"

"Compensated by slam procs per % hp"

[weak mesa]

hey that would be a mad M+ affix

what about an affix that like, reverses the armor for players in the M+

so clothies would have to tank

[outer orchid]

Is it worth keeping t20 2 set or should i just go with mythic t21 4 set?

[delicate coral]

High king maulgar magetanking

[weak mesa]

lol i actually made a mage with stam gear in BC to tank that

[delicate coral]

Isnt BiS both?

And you use belt and ring

Or is that for m+

[weak mesa]

ilvl comparison Bobo, sustained survive vs 1 shots etc

[outer orchid]

hm, 930+945 vs 965

[delicate coral]

What piece is 930

[outer orchid]

my chest

[delicate coral]

That stings

[outer orchid]

But i have a 965 t21 chest

that i can equip instead

[delicate coral]

Chest has the most stats of all our pieces

Fish for better tier t20 on better slots

Chest is a nono otherwise

Or you be a dps tank and only use 2p t21

With gloves + belt

[outer orchid]

hm, ill just stick with t21 4 set due to the ilvl

Thanks for help

[delicate coral]

Chest has alot of haste so

You need that

[outer orchid]

Yeah, any soft caps or so for haste?

[delicate coral]

Check pins prolly. Im not a prot guy. I just dps in prot for my guilds altruns for fun rocking the meters instead

1.1m and climbing bby

[outer orchid]

x d 😄

[ember arrow]

@outer orchid 117% cap

t20 2 p isnt worth

only t20 4p, and only at msot 25ilvl difference for defensive purposes

[outer orchid]

Okay. Thanks dude 😃

Do i run t21 4 set or just high ilvl?

for Argus it is

[ember arrow]

t21 2p at all times, 4p for def purposes

id use it on argus

[outer orchid]

Cool, ty 😃

[ember arrow]

there is no haste cap thats reachable as u see, stat priority is in pins

[outer orchid]

Yeah, bracers/legs are the way to go for Argus right?

[ember arrow]

wriststs are not necessary, since dmg taken is bursty, so constant healing wont benefit u that much

[undone sun]

Depends on your job

If you're actively tanking, no legs aren't worth using

[ember arrow]

legs arent

[undone sun]

But if you're collecting orbs, it might be worth it

[outer orchid]

I'm not tanking phase 1, only phase 2 and a 2 times phase 3

im the 3rd guy tanker

so collection some orbs and taking 2x5 hits

collecting*

[ember arrow]

@west stump idk man, i got very low downtime on prot warrior, also leggos are very easily obtainable at this point

[west stump]

What don't you like about Devestator?
It actively takes a button out of our rotation.

[ember arrow]

a button that does nothing

it has no effects, no rewards for using it

[west stump]

It doesn't do nothing. They just replaced it with an ability that's not fun that's objectively better numerically

[ember arrow]

they didnt replace it

devastator casts devastate on melees

[west stump]

There's no feedback from that

it doesn't feel fun because I didn't do it.

a timer did it

[ember arrow]

im mostly wondering how you claim to have alot of downtime

warr has msot actions per minute of all tanks for me

[west stump]

It's not the downtime so much as hitting 3 offensive buttons regularly

"of all current tanks" is a pretty pitiful barometer

[ember arrow]

why so

[west stump]

Tanking is the worst it's ever been

[ember arrow]

🤔

as opposed to?

[west stump]

Any other expansion. I have more agency, more influence

[delicate coral]

Mashing spirit bomb

😂 👌

[ember arrow]

u come back for few days and can claim that tankings worst since all expansions

[undone sun]

Most tanks are like that actually...
Bear: mangle thrash maul
vengeance: shear fracture spirit bomb
Blood: blood boil heartdtrike death strike
Protadin: cons avengers shield hammers

[west stump]

That's my point, Thyme

that's shit

that's not good

[ember arrow]

can i get that summary from an other exp?

[delicate coral]

Sunder armor

Sunder armor

[merry cave]

Devestste is a shit spell that is purely a filler. With devestator my filler is shield slam and revenge which is much more rewarding

And if your gearing and playing fine there's no downtime

[ember arrow]

^

[merry cave]

Maybe 4-5 gcd over a 6 min fight

[west stump]

Sunder armor
Don't troll, dude
I'm being serious

I'm angry, but serious

[delicate coral]

Devastator is nice with gloved and an enhancement shammy

Like, the more you play with it

And then going back

You wont have the time to press devastate

[ember arrow]

i wanna see this guy's mythic kills and m+25 runs

if tanking so shit

[west stump]

This expansion, no

but you can see prior

[delicate coral]

Because you got more things to worry about than hitting devastate

And that is what devastator is for

More benefits and freeing up gcd

[ember arrow]

spamming same button isntead of it casting automatically

doesntm ake rotation simpler

[west stump]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/wyrmrest-accord/aernest

[delicate coral]

Just look at arcane mages in cataclysm

[west stump]

doesntm ake rotation simpler
It absolutely does. You can't fuck it up

[ember arrow]

oh boi

u cant fuck up warr rotation

[west stump]

You can only fuck up your AM

[undone sun]

...

[merry cave]

Lol what

Spamming devestate can't be fucked up either

[delicate coral]

Yes it can

You waste gcd

[ember arrow]

what do u mean u cant fuck it up?

waht can fuck up wit devastate?

[west stump]

It's just absolute faceroll. You hit the button that lights up

And thunderclap on the other GCDs

[merry cave]

Welcome to world of warcraft

[ember arrow]

tanking rotations never been difficult

dps have it harder in that aspect

tanks main focus is their AM

[delicate coral]

And by hitting devastate when more important gcd's have prio

[merry cave]

I've tanked every expansion usually on dif classes but with alts. It's never been complex

[ember arrow]

tank rotation is suppsoed to be only there to generate thei resource

[west stump]

Properly managing vengeance at a high level was pretty deep

[ember arrow]

its not similar to dps rotations

use revenge on 60 rage

then IP

such complex

[merry cave]

There's a pretty easy solution to the whinge

[delicate coral]

In my experience dpsing as prot, it gets really dull

[merry cave]

Don't talent devestator

shock horror

[west stump]

I can't not; it's too good

It's too powerful

So I'm shoehorned into this thing I hate.

[delicate coral]

Why argue then

[merry cave]

Well guess your gonna keep whinging then

[ember arrow]

talent choice doesnt matter if u dont do challenging content

[stray wedge]

I like it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry cave]

I love it too 👌 👌 👌 👌

[west stump]

I mean, I wish I could love it

I wish I could be happy with it

I'm just not.

[upbeat fractal]

Do you?

[west stump]

Yes.

I'd love to be happy.

[delicate coral]

Do you have legendary gloves

[ember arrow]

if u want complexity

paly survival hunter

[west stump]

I have no legendaries. I haven't been blessed.

[merry cave]

Lolwot

[ember arrow]

blessed

do antorus and 3 emmisaries

buy

[west stump]

I started this expansion 4 days ago mate

[delicate coral]

Its 1 legendary a week

[ember arrow]

ye my alt is 4 days old

4 leggos

[west stump]

wtf?

[delicate coral]

With brawl

120~ essence a day

[ember arrow]

^

[merry cave]

Then talent indom and stop whibging, you're clearly not doing content where it makes any difference

[upbeat fractal]

brawl gives 30 on top of pvp daily?

[west stump]

I'm about to be doing mythic next week with my guild I'm going back to.

[delicate coral]

30 pvp 30 heroic 30~ cache 30 brawl

[upbeat fractal]

-_-

[west stump]

I'm getting carried this week and tanking again the week after

[delicate coral]

120 for a m+ key (any)

And then 300-400 for an entire lfr antorus

[ember arrow]

i found that playing the game rewards mor eleggos, than complaining about leggos

[delicate coral]

450 if lucky

[west stump]

I mean it's a cancer system. I want to log on and raid, that's it

The game straight up isn't fun

[ember arrow]

lol

ppl who log only to raid i hate

[delicate coral]

You should have started in the beginning

[upbeat fractal]

You don't have to play it dude. If it's not fun, don't play it.

[delicate coral]

No BiS leggo

No good dps

[ember arrow]

if they log only to raid, they usually are not good

[west stump]

You should have started in the beginning
I've heard stories. I would have killed myself.

[delicate coral]

Limited ton4

Now you are lazy

[ember arrow]

then u didnth ave to worry about devastator

[delicate coral]

Underachiever

Just do pvp

Brawl

Heroic

[ember arrow]

"i dont wanna do content to get legendaries ree"

[delicate coral]

Emmisary cache

And lfr

Done

[ember arrow]

1.5leggos bought a week

at least

[merry cave]

I don't get it, you don't want to play what the game is atm you don't like how protection warrior is played atm. Why are you playing?

[delicate coral]

And a +1 mythic key

[west stump]

To play in BfA with friends.

[delicate coral]

Why worry then lmao

[upbeat fractal]

So play in 4 months.

[west stump]

They want me to play now : \

[delicate coral]

Do the fun stuff

Dont care bout progression

[west stump]

I'd love to, honestly

I was really hoping I could just skip this whole expansion

I'm sorry for being ragey all the time

[delicate coral]

So why are you not farming

[merry cave]

😖 😖 😖 😖 😖

[delicate coral]

Reset is coming

No m+

[ember arrow]

if ur ffriends cant accept u not having fun on wow and dont wanna play it

[delicate coral]

No lfr

[ember arrow]

then theyre not friends

with real friends, looking at shit can be fun

regardless what u do

[west stump]

I already farmed this week. I just have the M+ cache to do

[delicate coral]

Tbf one point is

If you are on par with friends

More fun is there to be had

No limitations

Hard work pays off

[west stump]

My co-tank said it best and I agree with him 100%
"The only fun I have in this game any more is from killing progression bosses"

[ember arrow]

then its time for a new game

[delicate coral]

You should duo lfr queue as tank

[fathom gulch]

can some explain to me real quick why devastate is better than indomitable?

[merry cave]

Wow has never been about logging on for raid only

[delicate coral]

Shieldslam procs

[merry cave]

Never ever ever

[delicate coral]

And damage

[ember arrow]

@fathom gulch frees up gcds, generates more rage, does more dps

[undone sun]

Rage generation

[delicate coral]

And less gcds to press

[west stump]

Wow has never been about logging on for raid only
Well, I exaggerate

I did the whole fucking MoP thing

and Vanilla and BC

[delicate coral]

Wow is about collecting flowers as a fury warrior

[west stump]

it's just it was fresh and new then

Now I'm sick of it

[ember arrow]

yes yes

YOU are sick of it

its not objectively different

in the long run

theres always a carrot on a stick they hold for us

thats the natur of mmos

[merry cave]

Bfa is going to be no different, still need consumables, need to farm azerite, need to farm m+ for gear

[fathom gulch]

@ember arrow cool thanks! i hate using devastator but i cant help but look at how my hp could be 9.7mil instead of 7.8mil lol but sounds like it is still way better to have the 2 mil less hp

[merry cave]

It won't be ant different

[delicate coral]

People are not giving into my subjective emotions 😭

[ember arrow]

@fathom gulch hp doesnt matter, warriro is either 100% or dead

[undone sun]

Hp isn't the determining factor for tanks

[west stump]

Part of the big concern this time (and this is BIG) is that I'm doing this alone this time

Not with friends when I start a new expac

[delicate coral]

Unless you are a chunky bear

[undone sun]

It's how you manage your EHP

[delicate coral]

Then u can take a hit

[west stump]

Misery loves company, as they say

I'd probably be able to stomach it if they were doing the same pointless bullshit I was

[ember arrow]

i think u lost the love for this game like i lost mine for League long ago

u gotta move on and maybe continue later

thats all i can say

[delicate coral]

Wait for Bfa

100%

Or do the fun stuff

[ember arrow]

pointless bullshit, i mean playign any game is pointless

[delicate coral]

Transmogs, reputations

[west stump]

Idk
like I played Vanilla on a private server the other day and the meaningless content was a lot more fun

Some of it is nostalgia, some of it is just more incentivized

[ember arrow]

that would be a first

[delicate coral]

Because you grew up with ir

[ember arrow]

collect 250 bear hides

collect 250 AP

[delicate coral]

You are fondled with it

[ember arrow]

collect 250 azerite

[delicate coral]

Collect 50000 crystals

[west stump]

Another thing is the people. Vanilla forces people to be social beings to succeed

[delicate coral]

So does it now

[ember arrow]

and now it doesnt?

unless u only do lfr

to do meaningful content u msut be

[delicate coral]

You aint killin now mythic bosses without a guild

[west stump]

oh for sure for meaningful content

[delicate coral]

You aint pushing keys

Exactly

[fathom gulch]

yeah i agree its still social im stuck at item level 942 because i have no one to play with and have not been in a guild for awhile.

[delicate coral]

You did meaningfull things in vanilla

You chose to get to know them

Like you do with a guild

[ember arrow]

@fathom gulch jsut make hc antorus group

i neve runderstand that mentality

i went on alt, got 960 in 5 days

hc antorus, m+15

ez p

z

[fathom gulch]

my issue is i dont know antorus enough for tanking it to make the group and my dps gear isnt high enough to get me in the group

[ember arrow]

then make ur own

[delicate coral]

+13 (only 3k Rio score)

[ember arrow]

u ahve noone in friend lsit who might wanna go wit u?

if u domt know tanking stuff then look it up

thats not exactly a barrier is it

[delicate coral]

Ask people to leech you into groups

[fathom gulch]

yeah just something i just now got around to as far as the friends list thing goes unfortunately not most have quit until next xpack

[delicate coral]

Like ask a random high ilvl

[ember arrow]

when i coe on 30 ish are online out of 60

so

xd

come*

[delicate coral]

And just ask if you can ride on his ilvl

To get into the group

And a while later he leaves

0 suspects

Cuz rleaders are blind

And dont remember duos

[fathom gulch]

ive been highly intimidated with making my own however the other day i did make a mythic+ and tanked a +13 so im getting there lol

[ember arrow]

good! keep it u0

up

[fathom gulch]

ive lucked out on a few groups in my dps spec to get in a heroic antorus for last boss was amazing getting AOTC lol i havent raided much prior to this xpack i was mainly a pvper

[junior ivy]

hov is hard thius week ugh

[delicate coral]

What level key

[west stump]

I really don't mean to be such a downer. I want to contribute back to the theorycrafting community like I did in MoP when I was raiding competitively

It's just hard to get excited about it these days for me

[junior ivy]

it was only a 19

and it fell apart before we killed hyrja

[fathom gulch]

so i have the walls fell and ararat's bloodmirror and i dont see how i would survive without them lol is there any other legendaries that if i get it would def replace one of these?

[dusky mica]

for what?

bracers, gloves, belt are all used more

[full swan]

4 pc T21 worth it? I have some off pieces mythic level 965ish and wondering if it's worth it to keep the 4 set bonus. Obviously 2pc is amazing but is it viable to lose 20 ilvl on 2 pieces of gear to keep the set bonus? Tier pieces are 945

[ember arrow]

defensively yes

[full swan]

Which...?

[fathom gulch]

hes saying the tier set is

[full swan]

Keep the 4 set then?

Boo was hoping I could use the 970s lol

[dusky mica]

so use them, you wont notice the difference anyway

[fathom gulch]

as far as my question goes im only doing mythic+ and up to heroic raiding id like to have two legendaries that i dont have to swap out to be good for those to types of content. however looking at the list of leggos only thing i see that would be good in my mind is the bracers id swap out my "the walls fell" cause i feel more comfortable having the extra SB from Bloodmirror

[delicate coral]

Well u can start getting good

And not letting mirror be your crutch

[fathom gulch]

haha yeah was looking for some criticism but let me challenge that with is it a crutch or just better to have?

to have more mitigation up times seems better to me

[delicate coral]

You will be using gloves+belt for m+

Way better

Just start getting better

Or you can play with heavy reprecussion(grammar?)

[fathom gulch]

the gloves+belt is way better your saying?

[delicate coral]

More rage, more ignore pain, more rage, more blocks

Belt is for shout

So less damage for enemies and more for you

And cds gets really fast in a pack

[fathom gulch]

yeah i could see demo shout being refreshed a ton being really strong

and i currently run anger management seems better than heavy rep to me

[undone sun]

Correct

[dusky mica]

it generally is

[fathom gulch]

so i need to farm out bracers and gloves and drop my extra SB and just get use to not having it

[dusky mica]

legs are OK in Maw of Souls and Upper Karazhan

[junior ivy]

legs are needed in those dungeons

[dusky mica]

Sometimes Arcway on tyrannical

[fathom gulch]

legs for maw? i guess there is more magic damage than i realized

[undone sun]

For ymiron specifically

If you have them, use them

The damage reflected is insane

[dusky mica]

Dark Slash from 1st boss is a ranged shadow bolt

[undone sun]

Same for shade of medivh and dargrul

[fathom gulch]

interesting haha dargrul?

[dusky mica]

Tentacle debuff on Helya can be reflected

[junior ivy]

wait dargul?

[fathom gulch]

what attack with him is deflectable?

[undone sun]

Yes but legs arent needed for helya

[junior ivy]

who is dargul again

[undone sun]

Check the spellreflect spreadsheet in the pins @fathom gulch

[upbeat fractal]

nelths lair

[fathom gulch]

neltharions lair final boss

oh didnt realize there was a spellreflect spreadsheet lol you guys got it all thanks!

[dusky mica]

Why wouldnt you use legs? The debuff does more damage than any other leggo will give you

[junior ivy]

oh yeah him

even on tyrannical i find i usually have SR up for his thingy

[undone sun]

You can reflect molten crash and ignore the AM check, happens faster than sr's cd

[junior ivy]

but sometimes i dont

and use shielkd wall instead

or last stnad

or just hope and pray and use SB and IP

next time ill use pants

[fathom gulch]

@dusky mica other guy told me earlier i should get off my crutch of bloodmirror lol so

i assumed based on that response it was hindering my skill more than helping

[dusky mica]

the point is you generally don't use legs until you can cheese something with them

[undone sun]

Legs are incredibly niche, not necessarily great for general use but when the time comes they're really strong

[dusky mica]

which is what the reflect sheet tells you

[undone sun]

Yup, I recommend which bosses to use legs on in the spreadsheet

[dusky mica]

they're also good on some trash

But it's always for spell reflect, not block

[fathom gulch]

sounds like i will (despite my hatered for it) need to stock up on different gear slots to be able to swap out legendaries

[dusky mica]

you can do m+ and raids with any leggos

the game isnt that tightly tuned for tanks

[fathom gulch]

ah ok i see.

would you guys say that mannaroths is better then "the walls fell" ?

[undone sun]

Yes

[dusky mica]

Most of the time.

[undone sun]

Hands down bis for defense

[fathom gulch]

ok cool

didnt realize it heals that much lol

[dusky mica]

If I heal for any warrior alts I usually tell them not to bother with bracers

Since I know what the hell I'm doing and their piddly bracer heal is worse than anything I can do.

So they might as well use something else

They're awesome for survival if you have no healing incoming though. The faster your IP gets munched the more value they gain too.

[broken kite]

you notice it if you run with people who are used to healing you when youve got bracers on

aka they barely heal you

[junior ivy]

omg

2 chested HoV 18!

[jade socket]

😄

[junior ivy]

my last hov was 2 chested +17

how much will my score increase?

[fathom hollow]

20 pts or so?

[junior ivy]

aw was hoping for more but still good

[junior ivy]

gettin up there. was 2818.

[next goblet]

i love using leggo legs for felhounds

how does one improve their raider.io score?

[daring aspen]

Do higher lvl keys

[ionic fern]

I'm stuck at 3.7k cause it's almost impossible to pug above 22. 😢

Btw @undone sun y u banned?

Did you bully priests?:(

[undone sun]

😏

Not exactly

Nor directly

[ionic fern]

Did you tell them that they are a low class since they needed pallys to come save them in their Class hall questline?

😄

[undone sun]

Nah it wasn't even priest related, just decided to preemptive ban more than a handful of people for what was said about a specific moderator in a separate discord ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hybrid basin]

hey guys quick question, should I spend all excess rage on ignore pain? does it matter when I use it or how much rage I spend on it?

[ionic fern]

😂

[undone sun]

@hybrid basin correct, and it does not considering Ignore pain scales linearly

You never want to rage cap, ignore pain is perfect to prevent that

[hybrid basin]

I see, thats easier than I thought, thanks

[dawn remnant]

hey guys any tips on finding a new guild ?

[ionic fern]

Ugh

Check the forums of your realm..wowprogress...join the LFG channel.

Get decent logs.

[dawn remnant]

right decent logs :/

[ionic fern]

Well, depending on what type of guild you want to join ofc.

😄

[dawn remnant]

well i just got kicked from my mythic guild because i whas using the same talents as aal the other warriors and becuas i chooses str food and flask over stam

[ionic fern]

Were you dying?

[dawn remnant]

only on dogs sometimes at the start but i got it fixed

after that didnt die anymore

[unborn island]

Sounds like it wasn't a very good guild.

[dawn remnant]

it whas a very slow and low dps casual mythic guild

[rough remnant]

Well if u were dying alot then yea.. stam flask might be the better option

[dawn remnant]

also the raidleaders didnt like it if people tryed to put in some effort to try an help with tacts on some bosses

[rough remnant]

do u have the lego legs.. those are a warriors best friend on that fight

[dawn remnant]

yeah i have all legos on warrior

and its not like i took alot of dmg from dogs

[rough remnant]

Ive been looking around .. trying to find a happy medium between vers and mastery on my warrior. i currently have 55 master wit 19 vers or 61 master with 13 vers. is there a number i should aim for .. or just stack the shit outta mastery?

[dawn remnant]

i mean i have 51 mast and 20 vers with 30 haste seems decent and works for me but geuss thats me not really good at know what to aim for 😛

[rough remnant]

my haste is like 33-36 ish cant have enough haste

[dawn remnant]

true

i see alot of prot warriors going for just haste mast sdtack and lot lesser vers tho

like 60 mast 9 vers 35 haste and some more crit here and there

[round vortex]

Pogchamp! Goodbye crit legs hello mastery!

[light fulcrum]

Gratz

[round vortex]

Cheers! I mean i had these already but that mastery is so tasty right now

[hybrid basin]

Im completely new to tanking, does anyone have some tips for some must have addons? f.e. Id like to track other tank's stacks and something that notifies me when he taunts

/dbm

wrong chat

that command that is

[steady dragon]

dbm should yell at you when you need to taunt. him taunting off of you should be noticable aswell, as you're no longer getting slapped. you could ask your cotank to make a /say macro when he taunts

[mortal carbon]

omen dbm some was for your cds and uptime from your mitigation

omen or dbm got a acustic warning when someone taunts

[steady dragon]

other tanks stack's can be tracked in debuffs on your raidframes/focus frame, or with WA's

[hybrid basin]

alright thanks Im gonna work on that

[ionic fern]

Sounds like a good thing you got kicked.

Was scrolled up..i feel stupid now .. but i won't delete it either cause that shows weakness

[unborn island]

What add-ons do you guys use to track interrupts/immunities/BR etc?

Someone told me Exorsus raid toold

Tools*

[undone sun]

Ert has an option, Tehr's WA also does it

There's also https://wago.io/SkjHi61Bz
To track when an interrupt is on CD

[junior igloo]

Do you guys experience the issue with Tehr's WA that it takes some time to pick up the abilities?

[undone sun]

Nothing more than a few seconds

[junior igloo]

It takes a few pulls for me sometimes

[undone sun]

I do have a lot of the options turned off

[junior igloo]

I reloaded UI on Aggramar the other day and had some troubles coordinating the knockbacks on adds because I couldn't see the cooldowns for a bit

[dawn remnant]

yeah i geuss @ionic fern 😛

[signal plover]

@junior igloo yes I've had that with ERT. I think another part of it could be if you're in range of that player for the add on to detect a talent change or something like that.

[junior ivy]

is neck a useful legendary for prot?

my cotank in this coven heroic pug is wearing neck and bracers

never saw that before

[undone sun]

No

[junior ivy]

and hes usin shard of rokmora hm

[steady dragon]

yeah i think its safe to say your cotank in that pug is bad :p

[junior ivy]

its a coven pug so im already preparing for disaster

[undone sun]

Probably new or bad
Either way expect deaths

[junior ivy]

we have so many healers too

5 healers and 10 dps

and we're ready checking and getting ready to pull

we started and i noticed ki have dps gear on

trinkerts and leggos

yup, wiped

[steady dragon]

hc coven pugs has got to be litteral hell

none of them ever function

[junior ivy]

yeh i just wanna spend a bonus roll 😦 😦

what other bosses shouldi be bonus rolling?

[sick sentinel]

whatever you want transmog from

[junior ivy]

but like for actrual upgrades?

or does it not really matter this late in xpac

[restive scroll]

depend on what you miss

[steady dragon]

coven, portal keeper, tier bosses

coven and PKH for trinks

[timid jay]

Speed set?

[hexed relic]

Hey fellow Prot friends

[junior ivy]

yeah im wearing my runfast set

[hexed relic]

I just started playing Prot and am currently leveling my Warrior in prep for BfA and I have to say

[junior ivy]

forgot i had it on lol

[hexed relic]

WHY DID I NOT PLAY THIS SOONER?!

[timid jay]

oof

bad timing to start before bfa

Its getting some big reworks

[hexed relic]

I know, i saw the GCD change

i really just like being in the thick of things, I come from the land of Resto Druid

[junior ivy]

hey whoa help what is this

what are echoes of battle?!

[timid jay]

pvp currency

[junior ivy]

can ibuy any mounts with them?

[timid jay]

nope

[junior ivy]

aw 😦

ok one more question

can i tell who controls tol barad without physically going there?

[timid jay]

I have no clue, been a while since I bothered with tol barad

🤔

[junior ivy]

lol im farmin the mount

[prisma crane]

i suggest making a mage friend, they can just port you there

[junior ivy]

oo did not know that thanks

[sick sentinel]

What are the top 5 alliance servers?

I'm talking about ones with lots of raiding guilds

Us

[junior ivy]

sargeras is probably one

and stormrage and maybe proudmoore?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I know those

[junior ivy]

frostmourne seems important too, but its australian

if that matters

[sick sentinel]

Other than those big 3 I don't know any other big alliance raiding servers

[junior ivy]

hmm im not sure

[stark sage]

go to realmpop

[sick sentinel]

I'm looking on wowprog

Seeing which have most raiding guilds but I'll check realmpop out

[prisma crane]

Dalaran as well

but's also where all new players are sent

[junior ivy]

about to spend a bonus roll on ursoc im gonna regret this i bet lol

[warm plinth]

For what o_O

[sick sentinel]

tmog!

[junior ivy]

tmog yeah lol

[warm plinth]

Ah

[sick sentinel]

i have so many coins every week that i dont even use all of then in antorus

i just use em for tmog now

[junior ivy]

artifact power ugh

[junior ivy]

in a coven pug, i taunt at 3 stacks of fire

other tank gets right mad

its only heroic taunt at 5

wtf

is that a thing

[prisma crane]

lol, idk, just use LS right before the 3rd adn it'll last through the 4th

[junior ivy]

lol

[prisma crane]

can use SW for the 4th and SR for 5th

but no, it's not

[junior ivy]

seems easier to just taunt at 3

specially in a pug

with no discord

[prisma crane]

you just have a dps tank asara and can tank at fuckign 2 since bosses dont move

[junior ivy]

other tank doesnt wanna do that

so im on asara first

and we are swapping

[prisma crane]

then he's a moron

and also probably a monk or something

[junior ivy]

he just left mid fight because i taunted at 3 lol

hes a pally

[prisma crane]

ah

[fathom gulch]

whats wrong with the excel sheet pinned for reflect able attacks?

nvm i fixed it

was on my end

[prisma crane]

👏

[junior ivy]

been i nthis same coven pug for over an hour

think im done

lol

[winged marsh]

Yikes lol

[junior ivy]

was gonna join another coven pug

and see this

that does not fill me with confidence lmao

[timid jay]

🤔

[rotund heart]

At least they are honest?

[arctic sedge]

coven as a pug can be difficult

the only reason i really got through it properly, was due to me and a friend tanking together. start up a convo with the other tank!

be a real good mate to him and you get loot

[round hornet]

its usually not a tanking issue in my exp

its dps or heals are always retarded

and stack up for lightning

or walk around in the storm

or trying to run through the wall ghost dudes

[arctic sedge]

true

mostly from my experience as well

but having the other tank be a friend, just makes you sure that you arent doing anything wrong

[vocal nimbus]

@timid jay which is the average armor during a fight from dmd?

[timid jay]

1.9k

[vocal nimbus]

@timid jay and from pantheon vers trinket?

[timid jay]

Average versa?

[vocal nimbus]

ye

[timid jay]

Lemme check

~1.9k - ~1.1k

Depends a bit on luck

[vocal nimbus]

k

[prisma crane]

also depends on your uptime of active tanking, since it procs from dmg taken

[full swan]

Worth it keeping 4 pc T21 or lose the 4 pc to equip 970 off pieces which are 20 ilvl higher than tier

Mostly tank higher M+

[junior ivy]

can i solo normal EN or normal NH?

[jade socket]

Some fights yeah

Not every spec can do it though

[junior ivy]

got 2 new tmog sets this week

up to 43 !!

[timid jay]

👏

[grand trellis]

You guys use SB or IP before and or during your leap into trash in M+?

[prisma crane]

depends on the pulls, but if i have IP it's because i already had it up

if it's a bad pull you want SW or LS up anyways

some pulls SR first

having SB up is huge though, but dont let shit get behind you

[timid jay]

Intercept gives enough rage to get a SB up which is the most important in most cases

[sick sentinel]

YEAH BUDDDYYYYYYY

time to see how prot feels

[undone sun]

😭

[shut summit]

😂

[timid jay]

at least someone gets alpha 😢

[lethal mauve]

HOWS PROT FEEL?

[sick sentinel]

ive yet to dl it

dependin on how big it is might just do it overnight

[crystal tartan]

copypasting the live game saves a lot of time(about 13g vs 51g iirc)

[round hornet]

The only game I got to test from blizz was hearthstone ;_;

and it wouldn't launch, just crash on startup which is prolly why i got in (shit hardware)

[sick sentinel]

where do i copy past the live game to

[undone sun]

If it's the same as ptr, starting the download with create the correct folder then you'd copy/paste your wow into that

[crystal tartan]

ye pretty much

start install>copy data folder from live to alpha installdir>enjoy 40gigs you dont have to dl

[sick sentinel]

just pause the install right away while i copy?

[undone sun]

Yeh

[crystal tartan]

ye just to be safe

[junior ivy]

lol, unique compliment on my transmog

no one ever compliments my transmog!

[undone sun]

Lol

[junior ivy]

little does he know i'd totally use a slutmog .. if it didnt look so scary on gnomes lol

[cinder orchid]

slutmogs are best mogs

[hearty halo]

is 27% haste enough?

[knotty ermine]

I wish slutmogs kept the same appearance on males as females

[undone sun]

Enough for what

[hearty halo]

prot warrior

raiding

[knotty ermine]

Is having multiple gimpsuit options too much to ask?

[undone sun]

There's no minimum nor any breakpoints to worry about, soft cap is unreachable so just aim for haste in secondary stats

[hearty halo]

got it

[junior ivy]

i just did maw 20

and died like 20 million times

and i dunno why 😦

[gaunt oriole]

Because a frost mage is a better tank than a prot warrior

theyre like paper compared to a blood dk

[junior ivy]

😦

[timid jay]

Hardly a correct comparison

A well played Prot warrior is close to or even.better than a bdk in a lot if not all scenarios

The biggest reason for bdk in m+ is the leech aura and the utility from grips

And if you're only here to shittalk Prot warrior I really question why you even joined in the first place

[weak spruce]

Yeah prot warr and bdk are both sick, imo. Prot is more fun because it isnt as easy as bdk

[viscid wing]

anyone use a macro for
/cast shield block
/cast shield slam ??
i used it back in cata days, not sure if worth using now?

[weak spruce]

plus the mobility of prot war is amazing

[undone sun]

It's highly recommended to not macro in defensives with a man rotational ability

Often times you'll be pressing SS when you don't need to press SB

[viscid wing]

👌

[hasty talon]

Quick question... How are folks liking prot for keystones?

[round hornet]

its fine but its not DK

[merry cave]

I do up to 22/23, but the same level on my lesser geared dk feels way smoother

Not as fun tho

[junior ivy]

just did seat 20.. like 45 mins past timer

healer msgs me to say 'if you ever need a healer again hit me up' and friend requests me

im confused

l;ol

it went SO BAD

and he was good!

[soft glen]

for the mage tower

does SR not reflect twisted reflec?

i swear i used it right before he casts it and i still get the debuff

[jade socket]

it does

[soft glen]

hmm must be fucking up then

[jovial gorge]

New Warrior WHo DiS? Also Which lvl 90 tier Talent Do i chose with the Battlelord Ring

[undone sun]

BV

[jovial gorge]

Thought so thank you

[ember arrow]

@junior ivy that comment is cringe

that person on your transgmog's

[ionic fern]

The mariner in MoS - if you kite it does it have a set distance where he starts casting it? As in if it gets to like idk..10 yards of you it starts casting?

[ember arrow]

i think he just casts it on a timer

[ionic fern]

Can't be true. :/ If you stand next to him he starts casting it pretty much instantly..but if you kite him around

[ember arrow]

although he always does it after his slash

[ionic fern]

He seems to do so once he gets too close to you

[ember arrow]

i either skip him or kill him

never tried kiting tbh

[ionic fern]

I tried it this week since teeming

On the mariner that's after 2nd boss.

Ran him around the stairs.

[ember arrow]

he cant be slowed so idk if kitings that effective

[ionic fern]

🤷

Double horse.

😄

[ember arrow]

YE BUT IM IN WARR DISCORD

[undone sun]

Leap shoulders 🙃

[ember arrow]

and u cant leap around easily

in the cuaustrophobia

i mean mos

[ionic fern]

But jeah, was just curious if there was a set range or smth

[ember arrow]

shud try it out

[restive scroll]

Even if you don't kite enough, delaying it might be worth it. I often have my second lantern at 20% or so

[ionic fern]

Jep, i got my first one at 50%.

🤷

[restive scroll]

warrior can't get to 2M hps they say

(yes, my interface is a landmine, i know)

[winged marsh]

woah

thats almost as bad as the panzar UI disaster

[restive scroll]

:)

[winged marsh]

I couldnt even recognize you were on MoS at first rofl

[ember arrow]

what is that ui

[undone sun]

Lol

[ember arrow]

i thought i accidentaly opened my excel

[restive scroll]

Point was that we can do some bigass hps T_T

[winged marsh]

LOL

You've exposed yourself to the roast friend

no turning back now

[light fulcrum]

UI 🙈

[restive scroll]

Go right ahead, i'm not ashamed

I need big icons because i can't see otherwise

(doesn't prevent being bad though :D)

[winged marsh]

i mean

[ember arrow]

if it works for u it works

[winged marsh]

I do tooo

but why do you need your talents up there n shit

theres just lotsa random stuff goin on

[restive scroll]

Talent are an artefact from when i did challenge mode in mop, but i like it :D

[light fulcrum]

I wouldnt even care about dmg and heal taken/done. You are dead or not 😄

[ember arrow]

^

i watch it at end of dungeon

[restive scroll]

Doing a lot of pug, i check who didn't do somethings during the dungeon to remind them

so i check a lot of things

(Not much during pulls, but that pull was so meant to wype that i got a glimpse)

[ember arrow]

pugs are known for their ability to recognize msitakes and listen to critisizm

[restive scroll]

Indeed, doesn't work that much, so i just can say at myself at the end of the dungeon that they sucked

and continue to live in denial

[light fulcrum]

I am talking about your heal dmg and absorbs. I dont have them cause i would annoy me

[restive scroll]

I admit i could cut them down a bit

i need to know what i take though, so i can know if some specific spells passed

[light fulcrum]

And hp bar top left corner. Neckproblems Inc. 😂

[restive scroll]

been playing that way for 10 years, my neck is surprisingly fine x)

[deft sapphire]

i definitely dont display hots at all

[restive scroll]

I mostly look at it from target's target

[deft sapphire]

also why do you need to see your talent tree in combat...

[restive scroll]

[9:17 AM] hogo: Talent are an artefact from when i did challenge mode in mop, but i like it :D

[deft sapphire]

oh

and i have my msbt much further to the sides of the screen, so it doesn't cover the middle

[restive scroll]

As long as it doesn't keep me from avoiding aoe, i don't care that much about that one

[undone sun]

to each their own ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive scroll]

True dat

[undone sun]

Personally it makes my eyes hurt and there's no way i'd be able to play properly with t hat

[ember arrow]

Kappa

[restive scroll]

Point was we can't get to 2M too :/

[ember arrow]

how much overhealing was there though

[undone sun]

Lol

[restive scroll]

30% apparently

we sort of wyped anyway, since it was skaj + right pack, which was a "nice" idea from one of my mates

So the skada isn't reliable on that one

[ember arrow]

if u pull both berserkers after herbaron and then take whole left side

right pack isnt needed

[restive scroll]

"nice" was my way to say stupid

[ember arrow]

ye but it implied u needed right pack for %

right

[restive scroll]

Nop

body pull

[ember arrow]

what key was it

• how much

[restive scroll]

22

hard to find more interesting these days

[ember arrow]

ah then bodypulls are not so good

[restive scroll]

4k is just a number, people still do mistakes :)

[ember arrow]

sign up for +18 on 970 3.5k warr, decline

sign up for same group on 2.8k 960 dk

isnta accept

decline inv

[sinful vortex]

lol

[restive scroll]

yeah, hard to find a group as a warrior... :/

[sinful vortex]

theres always been stigma against the lwoer performing spec/class

probably always wil be

even if its not justified

[restive scroll]

Of course. At least we're not as bad as guardian :/

[ember arrow]

haHAA

guardian or monk in m+ lul

[restive scroll]

don't know about monk, since i don't play mine.

[ember arrow]

if played well we take no dmg and heal ourself

but monks and guardians take dmg

sure u can kite but bosses etc

[restive scroll]

and miss some magic def

so yeah, at least we're in the middle of the pack

[ember arrow]

guardians on arcway fortified

oof

[winged marsh]

🇫 mark of ursol

[ember arrow]

press F to pay respects

F

[ionic fern]

I'll share this gem here as well..when ever you think you fucked up remember this:
https://streamable.com/p86qn

[ember arrow]

huh?

[ionic fern]

Is funny cause +11 + Aegis of Light + 1 shot. 😦

[ember arrow]

ye but didnt he use sotr

[ionic fern]

Probably not. 😂

[ember arrow]

oneshot on +11 is pretty bad

[light fulcrum]

Maybe 890 geared? 😄

[mortal carbon]

depends 11 was really hard 2016 kek

[ember arrow]

aaand disbanded +18

👏

i cr 2 times healer who dies to scythe

and he dies 3rd time

👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[ionic fern]

Scythe?

MoS?

[timid jay]

argus

hehe

[ionic fern]

He said +18 🤔

[regal knoll]

Hi all, am a fairly new prot warrior. I noticed I have a lot of probs during this mythic week. Mine's 940, but esp. the magic dmg I take is quite the amount 😛 ....for example, the mob groups before the 2nd boss in Cathedral, hurt a lot....to name an example....I wonder, during this week, and esp now that it's teeming, do I take indominable? Or what I can do best? I got AoE stun, use Anger Managerment to get my defensives back faster....do I just pop 1 defensive per mob group? Or e.g. in HoV, on top....do I basically use all of them?

[ionic fern]

Don't take indom.

Other than that..i heard @timid jay likes to answer these questions.

[regal knoll]

Yeah I would miss the Shield Smash procs a lot

Cheers mate 😃

[timid jay]

👀

[regal knoll]

Slam 😛

[timid jay]

I wouldnt change to indom at all, its a loss in survivability in most usecases

Being more liberal with cooldowns certainly helps

[ionic fern]

And if you have legs use them.

[timid jay]

Especially with the low cooldown they have to start with when using AM

[ionic fern]

Depending on other legendary choices.

😄

[timid jay]

Legs can help for those packs where you need another SR, otherwise depending on packs a lot of the time theres some LOS pulls you can do to group them up easier for mass stuns and silences

Having a few extra blood elves is a godsend in HoV

[regal knoll]

Yeah today I got the healing bracers, apart from that I either use those or prydaz....besides that I have the lego gloves

[ionic fern]

Use BRACERS.

Don't swap it with prydaz.

😒

It might not just be you tho..your groups DPS might be lackluster causing the mobs to live too long etc.

Or no ones interrupting and so on

[regal knoll]

That is quite possible, since so far I joined pug groups 😛

I am using "best server cold" and "crackling thunder" this week though

Do I use a STR flask then, since I tend to go for Stamina flasks

[ionic fern]

Generally you are better off with str flask

Just pump all your pain rage into IP

[regal knoll]

Even with melees around? No shield block?

[ionic fern]

Obviously keep SB up as well but with a pack of mobs you are bound to have more rage.

You said that magic damage is the problem

You have Demo shout / IP / SR for that

Don't pop them all together, rotate them

SW as well.

[regal knoll]

Very true, and Spell Refl. only lasts a few secs

[ionic fern]

Yeah but non of the mobs do CONSTANT magic damage iirc

The guys in HoV cast it

And it can be interrupted.

• you can see when it's coming so just SR then

[regal knoll]

Yeah, I tend to use one def after another....like last stand, shield wall....esp in HoV groups like that....they tend to be painful 😛

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[regal knoll]

In pugs I also ask for CCs but sometimes they're deaf or something, eventhough we can CC 3 mobs or so

[ionic fern]

In all honesty A LOT comes down to your grp. Even if you play perfectly you might still die cause people don't interrupt etc. 😒

Think of it like this..every time you join a pug group YOU HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING IMPORTANT YOURSELF.

😄

Cause you never know how 🐒 the other guys are.

[regal knoll]

Well I know I don't play perfect atm, learning as I go.... 😃

True there, like for example, in NL....before the 2nd before, a nasty group that keeps jumping backwards (right into big greep dude). I want to LoS them, taking them back around the corner....but mostly, groups just rush in lol

Thanks for the tips though, speaking of NL, going there now +11 😃

[ionic fern]

Charge->Thunderclap->Revenge->Jump out

And will instead run after you

[regal knoll]

Ah oki, will do that cheers mate

[ember arrow]

@ionic fern ye herbaron

scythe

@regal knoll ye basically use ur aoe damage and then run back

if group has slows it helps

i would only do NL keys, especialyl teeming on warrior wit someone with slow in group

they will jump away in the direction ur facing

so if u tank them, face them towards ur group or away from other mobs

[regal knoll]

+2'd it 😄 gonna upload my recording....lol I forgot to update DBM 😛 only got eaten by the 3rd boss, silly mistake, but Dargul went fine

Did manage to get MoS13, at least it's not arcway 😄

[timid jay]

👌

[ember arrow]

@regal knoll nice, remember, u can reflect 3rd boss "tocix retch"

[regal knoll]

Ahhh rightie, didnt think of that being "magical" dmg, may need to read what actually is magical dmg....I did use it on Rokmora, I believe that magical dmg right? Razor Shards I believe it's called

[ember arrow]

u can sidestep it

no need to take razor shards damage

[ionic fern]

or stun it.

🤷

[ember arrow]

stun rokmora?

[ionic fern]

Oh

Rokmora

my bad

Thought he ment the other elementals

[ember arrow]

u cna jsut charge wit warbringer at every shards on adds

Spell Reflection/Blockable Damage Sheet: https://goo.gl/xtfCfX @regal knoll

take a look at this

[regal knoll]

Am using aoE stun myself 😛

[timid jay]

Yeah for rokmora you just move to the side Aelor

His frontal cone wont follow you, so just start moving when he starts casting

[ember arrow]

unless u paly dk