Just have to make sure that you can take it. Wether it's by having a CD up (even a DS) or just a lot of absorb
#protection
stark sage
becareful you arent dumping rage into revenge when you need the IP shield
grand trellis
Yeah. I don’t find myself rage starved really
stark sage
then you arent using IP enough
restive scroll
You should :p
stark sage
if you have rage you wont die
grand trellis
Hm
restive scroll
Btw carefull if you leap into a pack that can oneshot you, SB needs to be used before they can touch you (typical exemple is the 2 bears from DHT)
grand trellis
I did a 16 vault this morning and first pull was down to the mini boss. I just couldn’t keep it st bay. Pally laughed all the way through a cos 20 though
10 ilvl difference between the toons. But warrior in defensive gear. Sounds like I just need to practice more
grand trellis
That’s kind of the feeling I had
prisma crane
just use SW or LS as you pull the mobs
generally that's our weakest moment in a pull
until all our CDs wear off
and by then stuff is dying/dead anyways
with AM we get them back so fast, you'll always have something up
restive scroll
That's not an esay pull Tektonic, the miniboss hurts a lot in fortified
grand trellis
Yeah. Having bc and ds all the time feels great
restive scroll
That's a matter of habits though, i use SW/LS only on pulls that i know are dangerous. You often need it during the pack
prisma crane
depends on the keys
and of course that's all relative
a 16 for one is a 22 for another
restive scroll
That's when experience comes in anyway :D
prisma crane
mhm
and your group has to help too, esp on the high keys
no tanks just face tank everything
restive scroll
I don't know, i only have dps like ele shaman who use their weapon on Ymiron's adds so... I personnaly am not good enough ^^
ember arrow
using SW/LS on pull is mroe common for warr becasue without IP up we can get chunked hard
once u got IP rolling you are good generally
restive scroll
That's why you have to know your limits
restive scroll
It's borring, you loose dps & time too
ember arrow
i agree its boring but udont loose dps much if adds are slowed
restive scroll
So, you can, but I don't like it :D
ember arrow
and losing some dps is better than dead tank
restive scroll
You loose your dps, which is pretty nice
ember arrow
because then all dps is lost
u can charge in, warbringer stuns,then TC then, walk away
restive scroll
Again, experience. And not everything is kiteable
ember arrow
pty much everything is
whole hov, NL especially
pelters, thundercallers dont cast their spells when u got aggro and out of rane
restive scroll
'course
ember arrow
the things that arent kiteable, like jailor in votw, are usually big elites that arent that threatening
restive scroll
it's even mandatory kitting at some point in fortified weeks
ember arrow
i start kiting at around +23 usually depending on trash and affixes
restive scroll
And you can't on skittish*
restive scroll
wait till next week :D
ember arrow
then u get 3 ranged dps
if u take melees to fortified skittish
i mean
thats on u
not YOU you
restive scroll
anyway
ember arrow
besides, warr is really good at facetanking
anything thats not seat or arcway adds does not alot of dmg
junior ivy
can you kite in arcway
ember arrow
not everything
the withered for example will still cast, so u gotta outrange them first
kiting the green slimes, the melee dudes be4 corstillax
ember arrow
2 casters, one demon?
ember arrow
u reflect
restive scroll
It's more like don't do arcway on teeming :D
restive scroll
You can always LoS them, if you can't survive otherwise
since reflect in pugs aren't that easy to use well
ember arrow
or that if u run outa reflects ofcourse
i mean arcway is only good if group uses interrupts and stuns properly
otherwise its a waste of time
obligatory pug banter
restive scroll
Just for the pack before the General, it's a really tought week anyway.
(although the weeks to come are horrible)
ember arrow
no, u have adruid stealth all the way to general
sick sentinel
arcway in high teeming is nearly impossible without blood dk
sick sentinel
or with really good coordiantion and high avoidance gear
ember arrow
skip about 4 packs
sick sentinel
specialy 2 adds just before commander
restive scroll
I mean the packs in front of him
restive scroll
with the 2 profecie of doom
sick sentinel
yeah only way bassicaly
restive scroll
Yeah, or play a real class
sick sentinel
or use immunes and shit like that
restive scroll
That's not enough at some point...
ember arrow
what do u mean real class hogo? 🤔
restive scroll
Look at what discord we're in, that would be a nice start :p
ember arrow
what about it
i been here for what
10 months now?
u can definitely do high keys on warrior, but surely u wont be arguing that its better than bdk
i paly both classes for soem time now
restive scroll
It might be better to do 26+
ember arrow
nah, everything, the sheer utility
restive scroll
But people never see any war tank, since they don't take them, so they usually don't know how to play them anyway
ember arrow
thats true
restive scroll
I mean, i run with a Ele sham for DHT tyra
Well, he can come, since i'll CD him when he needs to
No other tank can do that
ember arrow
the sheer utiltiy of a bdk is unmatched, the grip increases group dps, u can grip otherwise cc immune adds
20% leech for 15 sec on 45sec cd
restive scroll
Annnnnnnnnnnd, it's borring
At least from what people say, i can't bear to play mine
ember arrow
well its not for me
its all about using death strike correctly
and saving it when needed
u have to pay attention to ur magic shield, since u can cheese alot of stuff wit that
warr doesnt have more buttons, it feels like it because u press IP every second
restive scroll
I'm not gonna argue anymore, there's no point
junior ivy
ember arrow
boring to play is subjective
ember arrow
but the value it brings is not matched to ours
@junior ivy if someone sent me that, i would probably die of cringe
sick sentinel
hahahahaha ^
prisma crane
that's just because you're not a tiny ball of rage
i do have to admit, the squeaks while playing is hilarious and adorable at the same time
ember arrow
u mean i DONT look like a tiny ball of rage?
prisma crane
i stand corrected
ember arrow
randomly in my class hall
prisma crane
it's actually a pretty common horde name
ember arrow
well i havent seen one yet 😛
round quiver
Hi, just checked 
and the guide says 4T20 /2T21 for survival, regardless of ilvl. Just checking this is still the case... currently 950 but only 2T21 (new to warrior, not done any ToS runs yet)
delicate coral
round hornet
Don't think ilvls make sense defensively since the defensive value of a trait like bastion is based on incoming damage
unless you only care about dps, in which case you should be able to just sim
prisma crane
@round quiver if you dont already have decent T20 items, dont worry about it, for surv 4p T21 and ilvl w/ gloves + bracers is a really solid build as well
waxen talon
What are peoples opinion on the antorus 4set bonus for prot?
2set is without a doubt a must have, but i dont feel as great about 4.
coarse oracle
so em question. why is it that on garothi sometimes you can outrun the targeting just fine, and then other times it decides to clip you because fuck you? is there something I'm missing?
timid jay
It hits faster the closer you are to the boss
prisma crane
@waxen talon it's good for surv, provides nothing for dmg
yea, that's why when i stand in and take all the hits i do all 6 hits real quickly
i also found out that the hits are small splash so by the 3rd bounce up, even if im directly over melee, they dont get hit 😉
tired forum
What are the best leggos for M+? Currently using the talent ring and Mannoroth's bracers.
coarse oracle
oh ok so you can start running back before the last one has landed already
bracers and belt from what I know
prisma crane
@tired forum SotB isnt great anymore, use gloves and/or belt
sharp fern
@timid jay Our warrior tank is having issues staying on the platform at mythic aggramar, could you perhaps give him some tips on how to not fall down?
prisma crane
and use bracers instead of either gloves or belt if you wnat the heals
add in the legs for select bosses/trash
timid jay
Im innocent
viral arch
Do the legs prevent you from backpedalling off the platform?
sharp fern
🤔
dry crane
That's weird, we have the exact same problem
tired forum
Alright, thanks
prisma crane
@sharp fern that's super easy, just have him constantly be moving in circles around the boss
ruby bough
My prot warrior just backpedaled off the platform on Aggramar mythic
prisma crane
like a Cosmo...naut
timid jay
oof
tired forum
How can you fall of the platform on aggra? Are there extra pushbacks on M?
daring aspen
mine too @ruby bough
timid jay
Yes
prisma crane
rofl
prisma crane
they are more frequent tbh
daring aspen
theres the S key
sharp fern
There are
prisma crane
at least it feels that way
sharp fern
But he backpeddled
timid jay
The pushback is called the S key 😭
viral arch
@timid jay became a victim of his S key
prisma crane
my OT did that once, we havent let her forget it yet
sharp fern
Unlucky
timid jay
🔫
fierce plinth
lmfao
ruby bough
LUL
prisma crane
you guys didnt see the winds? terrible raiders
bael moved left to counteract it
maybe coincidence
true bear
prisma crane
it's looping in the background, that "oh my god" is hilarious
timid jay
Just end me
true bear
you did that to yourself
sharp fern
🙃
true bear
next time just tell omart to equip ST gear so we dont wipe at 70mil
fathom hollow
LOL
true bear
and have to go through this
timid jay
Dont do it Ploppy
viral arch
it's progression every day over at yoshi city
fathom hollow
🙄
prisma crane
we had a shit first day yesterday
only killed 3 bosses lol, though we skipped around, got agg to 18% 😦
have like 4 new ppl
fucking lack of consistency of rosters
round hornet
I feel u
shut summit
nice play @timid jay
timid jay
oof
shut summit
😈
timid jay
Mistakes happened
round hornet
if my guild doesn't kill argus this week well prolly not be able to extend cuz a few dps said they are quitting after this week lol
prisma crane
yea that was us last wk
dry crane
Still rank 1
prisma crane
and we got the kill
round hornet
our closest was 15%, so I think we might be able to do it soon
prisma crane
our hurdle was living through the 5th orb explosion coupled with the sentences, after that it was burn or be burned
the first time we did it "cleanly" we burned
round hornet
ye
sick sentinel
@timid jay hahahahahaaha that is great
warm plinth
😦
timid jay
Not having a great raid today LUL
jade socket
arrigimar FeelsBadMan
junior ivy
which version of DH is tank and which is dps?
warm plinth
Tank - Vengeance, DPS - Havoc
junior ivy
ty
grand spoke
fathom hollow
sick taunt
prisma crane
yea aggramar is a dingleberry man
warm plinth
You've already killed Argus right?
sick sentinel
im going to kill argus also ♿ on my way
viral arch
rank 1 walks off the edge on aggramar
sick sentinel
looool
viral arch
not sure I'd call that "work"
he needs to go into foe breaker with 0 stacks or he dies
he needs to not move or he strafes off the platform and he dies
true rank 1
😖
warm plinth
That totally wasn't a strafe. That was straight backpedaling. I don't even know how you do that by accident when you're that far away from the edge 😂
surreal hearth
Whats good for permaslowing teeming nelths? affli lock, frost mage, and?
warm plinth
Lock with the sacrolash ring
surreal hearth
ah so not spec bound
surreal hearth
guess monk ring of peace can do a decent job if they die reasonably quick
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, you could have him use it at that one point in the wall where you can LoS them, and it'd hold them at bay for 8 seconds at least :p
zealous ore
no
timid jay
@fathom hollow my rank 1 log was dethroned 😦
fathom hollow
still a rank 1 though
even if they remove the fight from all stars for some bullshit fucking reason
timid jay
I'd think that 1k aggramars is stronger than either of thom
timid jay
👌
zealous ore
I don't have 1k agg though
timid jay
oof
zealous ore
Also pantheon tank trinket
fathom hollow
i'm not salty btw
timid jay
Its a lot of str and versa
zealous ore
I guess
timid jay
Didnt you have rank 1 agg log?
fathom hollow
yee boi
surreal hearth
Got a socketed 960 codex, if i use it in my trash set it does like 3-4% of overall dmg and most of the healing goes to overheal eventho it heals for a decent amount, better for like bear or dk i suppose.
prisma crane
my ability to do good dmg is falling, and im disappointed in myself
warm plinth
Yeah codex is pretty lackluster for us since it overheals a lot.
Decent for DKs, good for VDH, and probably pretty good for guardians
viral arch
codex is really good for guardian
junior ivy
when pugs refuse to use discord for heroic argus
ughh
and then make fun of you for wantin to use it
austere grove
argus is pretty straight forward in pugs, aggramar and coven however
you need to have like mythic raiders to beat them on heroic
junior ivy
i like to be able to communicate with the other tan kis all
like whos grabbingh which big add
etc
austere grove
yeh I usually whisper, and then I Have the keybind to reply to him since he whispered me last
junior ivy
holy crap that heroic argus pug went well
that was smoother than any other argus heroic pull ive ever done
halfway through the fight i panicked and realized it must be normal not heroic, i asked
sure enough, its normal, i applied to wrong group
makes sense
we kill him
lunar cargo
So for prot is there such thing as too much haste? I at 37% haste, 50% mastery, and 21% vers
junior ivy
2 people get AOTC achievement
undone sun
Nice
lunar cargo
Alright lol thx
vague belfry
sick sentinel
haste is best secondary just go for it without sacreficing huge amount of ilvl
brave mauve
Does Warlord's Challenge affect the slow, walking adds on Heroic Coven? I want to try to kill some of my guildies with it. 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
languid rose
i see you are a man of science
brave mauve
I need to know. It's either that, or I'm going BDK and killing my RL over and over
"I don't know, man, it just keeps happening."
quiet delta
which of these would you take ?
prisma crane
left middle
wheat bronze
compact geyser
is there a guide to how much ilvl t21 is worth?
compact geyser
do it!
junior ivy
and i think i'm going to l;eave casue i dont know the fights well enough
im scared
ive done all 3 bosses on mythic twice, but never one shotted helya
signal plover
U prolly know the fights better than most of the group then
junior ivy
no theres like cutting edge people in this group...
i might chicken out before we start
honest mantle
Hell, you know the fight more than I do, and I progressed its heroic version when it was current content
I bought a boost for 800k the other day, because I couldn't be bothered looking for a PuG, which will more than likely wipe on Helya because mechanics (looking at you ball beams) wouldn't get played properly
junior ivy
im freeeaking out lol
honest mantle
I just got told, stay away from the beam on helya and don't kill tentacles in p2
if you are that afraid buy yourself a run
junior ivy
i dont have lots of gold lol
junior ivy
yeah
honest mantle
so in theory you should be a decent player by now
junior ivy
in theory >.>
honest mantle
I am making money via m+15 boosts
each player is making 35-40k per run
and we are doing all kinds of nonesense
like doing bigpull at ymiron and attumen (if affixes allow it)
what is your character, so I can check you out
broken tree
Hey guys I might have not read the guide properly, but is there a sort of go-to for Prot Warrior in M+ as far as talents and legos?
honest mantle
depends a little bit
junior ivy
https://raider.io/characters/us/sargeras/kats @honest mantle
we did not get "the chosen" :/
but it wasnt my fault.
i did good apparently
honest mantle
@broken tree AM and Dev are no brainers, if you have melees, use Warbringer and cast it on them, if you don't use Shockwave. For general use I would prefer IP but you can use the intercept talent whatever it's called. Renewed Fury is the easy option here and still almost always the best option. lvl 60 depends a little on the affixes, AOE taunt for skittish and bounding stride for necrotic. lvl 90 BV pretty much a no-brainer at this point.
depending on how comfortable you feel, you can either use belt+gloves or bracers + belt/gloves depending on pull
I really like 2p bonus for any content, but 4p has its values too
broken tree
I am a dps main, but just wanted to start dabbling in tanking some m+ so I'm limited in my lego choices atm
honest mantle
well, bracers as the obvious no-brainer
honest mantle
and then i guess soul ring
broken tree
as my 2nd
merry cave
The intervene talent is way stronger in higher keys imo
A low cd 30% dr is crazy strong
honest mantle
but you need to use it appropriately, IP is stronger as a no-brainer
merry cave
Id you're doing higher keys where I think it's very good you should have the ability to use it appropriately though (I'm talking nothing below 19/20ish)
It's one of our best talents for some tyrannical bosses
junior ivy
wait what is? i never change up my talents
warm plinth
I only do 15-16 and i still use safeguard exclusively. It's way too good not to
warm plinth
Inspiring presence only affects 3 people in the group
junior ivy
i never use SG, ill start though
im disappointed i didnt get my "the chosen" title . even though i didnt know i wanted it until an hour ago lol
merry cave
SG is very good cat, you may take a few runs to get it working for you but for some classes with shitty DRs it really makes there run a lot better
resto shammy i run sometimes with loves it
warm plinth
Yeah like you can use it during slicing maelstrom on melandrus and make them take 30% less damage (we barely get touched by that since it's physical)
honest mantle
is it actually useful in every instance?
undone sun
Safeguard? yes
junior ivy
but wont everyone miss inspiring presence?
prisma crane
and you can have 2 up at once
undone sun
Insp in 5 mans isn't strong in the slightest, doesn't count as true leech so the healers don't get that much benefit form it
Dependent on if they're actively doing damage or not but regardless it pales in comparison to SG
For keystones, there's really only one option in t30
And it's safeguard
warm plinth
Preach
undone sun
Insp
junior ivy
kk
warm plinth
Inspiring Presence in raids unless you have another warrior already using it
But even if you do, Impending Victory is unneeded most of the time so it's still not terrible to take; it'll just only affect the other warrior (since theirs doesn't work on themselves). I've actually always been curious how it decides which one to give to everyone. Just the first person in range probably?
junior ivy
how is impen ding victory different from victory rush?
undone sun
The only difference is you can use it without a killing blow for half the effectiveness
prisma crane
dont have to kill anyhting
undone sun
But you can still gain the VR proc at full effect
undone sun
Doesn't fully replace it like the tooltip states
undone sun
On gcd and costs rage
prisma crane
only helps us
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
prisma crane
and we're usually fine without it
undone sun
It's unneeded, if you need the healing go bracers
prisma crane
it's ONLY good if you're alone
undone sun
Insp is a much better raid benefit than imp is personal
honest mantle
and the other options are just really good where they shine in
prisma crane
and only because the other two do literally nothing if you're solo
undone sun
SG is too good in keystones to even consider imp
prisma crane
^
cinder nova
SG makes my shield so hard
prisma crane
lol
warm plinth
How is damage handled that is redirected by Safeguard? Does it double dip damage reduction (theirs first, then yours?) or does it ignore theirs and only take yours into account, or what?
junior ivy
wow and here i am never using it..
undone sun
I think safeguard is calculated first, haven't really looked into it
warm plinth
I was mainly wondering about like...if I were to use it on a target for Focused Lightning (2 would probably be pushing it since you might not have time to spread I guess), how much danger would that put me in? Would I need to use SR in that type of a situation to make sure I didn't shoot myself in the foot?
Same thing for Hyrja storm I guess
honest mantle
Does the transfer have a range?
undone sun
Pretty sure it does not, unlike intercept
warm plinth
No, I don't believe so. Just a duration on the buff.
prisma crane
supposedly, the DR has no range, but you taking hte dmg does
so like use it and run is better, but i could be wrong
want to test it
honest mantle
are you EU?
prisma crane
me?
honest mantle
jup
prisma crane
no
warm plinth
Yeah I think testing would be good. I would but like...not at home and haven't played my warrior in a bit since I'm leveling an alt D:
honest mantle
Leveling? Yuck
merry cave
World I used sg on 2 ppl for the shadowbolt on last boss of brh in a 23 tyrnanical and forgot to spell reflect
Don't make my mistake lol
honest mantle
guaranteed first one
honest mantle
did you check overkill?
warm plinth
So if I'm safeguarding magic I definitely want to be using SR for it
merry cave
Probably fray but it was a while ago so don't remember
warm plinth
I'm not sure how much Focused Lightning does to me actually; I was mostly curious for Hyrja because if I have to use SR after safeguarding two people, then I probably won't safeguard unless I have to. I tend to like saving SR for the shield instead.
merry cave
I have only ever been killed by it once but usually have demo up with some IP anyway
junior ivy
is it possible to make a macro for changing out legendaries?
honest mantle
i would use gearsets
undone sun
Use gearsets
junior ivy
ohhhhhhhhh
i didnt know
cool
so you just keep all kinds of gear in your bags
legendaries and stuff?
i keep msot of mine in bank
ill have to stop
undone sun
All the legos i'd use
junior ivy
i need to make a pantsformedivh set
undone sun
Gloves/belt are being used atm
junior ivy
and a run fast/extra jump set
junior ivy
true
undone sun
Yup
junior ivy
maw too
undone sun
That's my M+SR set
wispy spire
what talents do u guys use for this weeks affix?
prisma crane
same as all
undone sun
Same as any other week, affixes don't change it
wispy spire
3,2,1,1,1,3,1?
prisma crane
prob CT for sure
wispy spire
yeah ill use CT
prisma crane
esp with belt
but if not the belt, i'd use any of em really
though leap only good for kiting
wispy spire
i dont have belt :L
prisma crane
so just super high keys
undone sun
Too many sets
honest mantle
I can't create more sets if I tried
10 is max sadly
I don't even have an arms set anymore
merry cave
There is a nice mod for it too, puts all your sets on a scroll wheel. I don't use it but I know others on guild too
Ori or opi or something
undone sun
Opie
honest mantle
^
undone sun
There's also a WA for more sets
honest mantle
I already have WAY too many WA's
undone sun
Pins in #ui-addons-manager mid raid atm
honest mantle
dude, you have NOTHING in your bags
cinder nova
junior ivy
i have lots of consumables
honest mantle
and you have 5k essence you gotta spend
junior ivy
swole you use that addon too?
cinder nova
Yeah.
junior ivy
its the best
undone sun
Lol
undone sun
👌
junior ivy
thyme is the reason i have it too lol
undone sun
Such a great addon
cinder nova
Right?
junior ivy
your gold.. swole patrol..
cinder nova
Yeah I dumped 200K on some boe
I'm waiting for my guild to do a sell week
Should be fattened up back past 300K. Still poor, but it's more gold than I'll ever need
I need to xfer my bank toon to a52
He's got 175K I forgot to mail before hopping lol
I did win 15K before that ss tho lol
prisma crane
@junior ivy
cinder nova
You gonna donate, Krotos?
honest mantle
AP
merry cave
Total ap?
junior ivy
oh hahahha
honest mantle
in bags
junior ivy
okay makes sense
didnt mean to point out your low amoutn of gold, thought you had a lot lol
aslo i got nothing to spend my essences on
i have all warrior legendaries lol
honest mantle
legos for alts?
junior ivy
yup.
i had more gold. i sold a 200k boe and made 75k selling m+s but i spent it on mounts
honest mantle
mission tables give me so much money
junior ivy
im gonna boost another 110 warrior when i get BFA
honest mantle
WHY?
junior ivy
i love warriors
honest mantle
you don't have any comparison
and if you say "i don't like anything since i played them till lvl 40 and they were crap".... protection warrior, devestator
junior ivy
i have some boosted toons i got with wod and legion
but i never leveled them
100 rogue, 90 druid
honest mantle
whatever, i get bored of any single class after a while, that's why I play all 6 tanks very regularly
junior ivy
i like focusing on jkust one toon
honest mantle
My warrior just happens to be the most played
merry cave
You should try another tank at 110, you'd probably quite enjoy some of them
Just not bear it's so boring lol
prisma crane
i pvp if i want to do something else, or play me ele shaman lol
honest mantle
74 days at 110 plus whatever I had before nighthold
undone sun
honest mantle
145 days played total since nighthold release
prisma crane
thyme is a new warrior!!!!
junior ivy
i need to work on making my spell reflect set
so i dont forget to equip my pants anymore
or forget to unequip them
junior ivy
i had that addon and then i had to get rid of it
prisma crane
lock on protectors in SoO mmmm
junior ivy
cause id be like oh mounts ill use m as the keybind
then i try to open my map
woops
and i did that for so many important keyubinds by mistake
junior ivy
maybe i could try it again
undone sun
And mounts 😏
junior ivy
lol yeah mounts are equally as important tbh
i hate that my achievement progress for moutns says i have 216 but my mount journal says i have 262
like whats with that
prisma crane
horde mounts
prisma crane
there's some pairity afaik
junior ivy
weird, cause 262 and 216 is a huge difference
prisma crane
there's a ton of em
undone sun
Yes, the mount journal counts all of them including cross faction
The achievement does not
junior ivy
371 howwwwwwwwwwww
warm plinth
I can't look at achievements or mounts. Just depresses me since i no longer have the account i had for half my WoW career
Well, i do. But it has been transferred across b.nets so I lost probably 85% of what i had originally
prisma crane
warm plinth
Nice. I actually don't have any cloud serpents
warm plinth
Lol don't feel bad Menallia. I have like 42 or something
spare hedge
im happy with 307.
warm plinth
Oh the thumbnail shows 30 on my phone rofl
spare hedge
personally, i have several legacy mounts, like zulian tiger and raptor. all the rep mounts, all the faction mounts, most of the profession ones, etc.
spare hedge
getting through the grind of the rep ones is a big part of it
junior ivy
i got all the rep ones from vanilla, bc and wotlkk
spare hedge
you dont realize how many factions have mounts until you look at it
junior ivy
but not cata, mop or wod
warm plinth
Well all the mounts for the different races is what, 8*8 or 9 (don't remember how many races there are) then an extra for each allied race so 2 more (atm)
warm plinth
For your faction that is
prisma crane
and im ready for the next achieve when released
junior ivy
are there any mop or wod factions that have lots of mounts?
warm plinth
Lot of rare drop ones that people dont have. Or ones that aren't obtainable anymore (raptor, tiger, original ZA bear, etc)
prisma crane
wod had a lot of rare ones with 100% drop and purchased ones
MoP would be the serpents and the tigers
spare hedge
golden lotus has 3, cloud serpent has 3, shadowpan 3, tillers 3, theres a vendor in kun'lai that has 3
junior ivy
k i need all them
prisma crane
3 for tillers?
junior ivy
just too lazy for dailies
warm plinth
It's harder to farm some now too because they were 100% drop at the time but got switched to low rate once the content was soloable
spare hedge
the goats, yeah
spare hedge
who wants to remember doing farmville simulator?
warm plinth
I used to have all the RAFs but not anymore. Just have the rocket from my Legion RAF now.
spare hedge
i dont have any RAF or TCG ones
prisma crane
i still dont have any RAF ones
junior ivy
i have 3 RAF maybe 4
spare hedge
i have 3 store mounts
warm plinth
The only TCG one I ever wanted was the rooster
undone sun
2 store, 3 tcg
prisma crane
i have the swift spectral, the cock, and the rhino
warm plinth
I can't justify paying $25 for a mount. Otherwise that fae Dragon would be mine
prisma crane
i buy them when they are 50% off
i should still get the 4 from the swarm stuff in legion
have zero of those
prisma crane
or gold in the AH
warm plinth
Now it is yeag
Yeah*
Or that. Might actually be some on there now that you're on a big server
prisma crane
they're all near 10m
spare hedge
yeah if you buy off AH theyre usually around gold cap, sometimes in trade theyll be a bit lower
junior ivy
if i find one for 50k gold ill buy it.. lol ill never have 10 mil
prisma crane
they'll never be near that cheap unless they get duped again
spare hedge
even then i doubt theyd go that low without a... gold squish? idk
wispy spire
for raids what talents do u guys use
wispy spire
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junior ivy
not 3 2 1 1 ?
wispy spire
i thought its better to use indo in raids?
spare hedge
if youre getting one shot, you can do indo, but if youre getting one shot youre not doing it right already
ie, no.
upper spoke
Just keep active mitigation in ravager up and you'll be fine
upper spoke
I want to give my t21 4p + Ilvl gear a shot, rather than my typical 4p/2p
what talents would you suggest?
still BM + AM?
or would you go back to vengeance + HR? i didnt notice that in the guide, but i havent read it lately
jade socket
Still bm am
sinful vortex
do you need to grip the small adds from the second intermission on aggrammar into the boss or can you just keep ccing them?
spare hedge
what difficulty?
jade socket
You need to do all adds from the intermission
sinful vortex
m
upper spoke
warlords challenge feels useless, but the rest of the tier also is
spare hedge
big adds should be sufficient, but depends on your dps
sinful vortex
you can just cc the adds from flare though right
jade socket
Yeah
jade socket
y i k e s
fickle jetty
Hi, I'm filling in for a missing third tank on M Argus tomorrow. Any prot warrior specific advice? Legendaries/trinkets?
undone sun
What is your job, main tank or orbs
fickle jetty
Orbs, third tank
verbal socket
can you cloak chains on mythic argus anymore?
my rogue says hes getting chains even after cloaking
@undone sun
warm plinth
I imagine Cloak was one of the immunities that they changed it to not be affected by.
shut summit
can't immune beforehand to prevent getting the chain
warm plinth
Pretty sure you can still immune them after the application; you just can't use immunities to cheese them before they're applied. I was trying to find the hotfix or patch or whatever that changed it but not sure it was actually mentioned in a note
warm plinth
Ah I was probably looking for the wrong month then
warm plinth
Thyme to the rescue
undone sun
sick sentinel
Did they remove IP in BFA? I dont see that mentioned on wowhead
deft sapphire
IP works differently in bfa check out the pins in #410902883165405214 for more info
Oh were you talking ignore pain or inspiring presence
delicate urchin
omg, just was see protwarr with 985 haste stick 😩
knotty oak
ember arrow
nah
unless difference between t20 and somethign else is smaller than 25 ilvls
and only for defensive purposes
solemn kelp
Hiii! I'm trying to find something to read to help me out with pulls, I'm having a devil of a time getting mobs to stay agro on me when I pull during m+, especially this week with teeming.
timid jay
Is it more specific how you're supposed to do pulls in dungeons or just keeping aggro?
solemn kelp
Well, here's where my inexperience shows.
This week's teeming affix is sending me for a loop.
So many mobs sometimes, spread out.
I'm trying to figure out best method to gain and hold agro on pull.
Charge and shockwave?
undone sun
Ideally use warbringer
Also what talents are you using
Crackling Thunder can definitely help grab a larger pack, pretty much TC and Rev on CD for aoe threat while maintaining Shield slam for rage generation to spend on Revenges
Intercepting a nearby melee to stun with warbringer can help a lot as well
solemn kelp
Situational then, the pack in HoV at the entrance to the hall, up the stairs just before the dining hall, 7 - 8 of them.
timid jay
For that pack I tend to leap one of the casters, quickly interrupt him while thunderclapping
And intercept the other caster
solemn kelp
with warbringer i suppose
timid jay
Yeah, though that doesnt really matter too much
Without skittish just a TC is enough to hold aggro for a while
solemn kelp
Food for thought, thank you folks.
sturdy willow
ah so this is where cosmo as gone
merry cave
Depends on the key, some of those hov packs, jump ok with shield wall burst as much aoe threat as you can then kite
If it's quite high
solemn kelp
👍
daring aspen
How do i prevent the warrior tank in guild from backpedalling off aggramar platform?
timid jay
Oof
daring aspen
Is there some place i can buy a fence to put up?
daring aspen
I think the solution is to have 5 priest healers ready with grip
sage sphinx
On Mythic Garothi, what do you all do for fel bombardment? Is it heroic leap away from boss to get distance and then intercept back? Or is it just simply run along the right side and then heroic leap back to taunt?
timid jay
I leap out, run in a half circle and intercept back
Theres no right way to do it, as long as you don't get hit
brazen whale
Hi all I'm a main fury but I currently have to tank as our main tank is on holidays. I'd like to know if there is some kind of "cheat sheet" available to know which legendaries/trinkets I should use for each fight of M antorus. I checked the pins and while there were some really good advice I am still not sure which item is best for which situation :/ (eg. when is it best to use Arrarat's/ring/wrists/gloves..?) I try to use my own judgement but as I'm not really experienced as a tank I'm not sure it's the best judgement haha. thanks for any tips
timid jay
Bracers+gloves for survivability
On vari you can go gloves+legs
But that's pretty much it for survivability
brazen whale
ok fair enough thank. and regarding trinkets I guess I should stick with the pantheon.. and I have Dima's at 945 and Eye at 960. not sure which is best
timid jay
Diimas is a lot stronger against burst damage with the use effect
brazen whale
okay. thanks. happy raiding everyone
sage sphinx
How gimped am I as a prot warrior by not having gloves?
fathom hollow
teeming fortified can fuck you up
and
less shitters pugs on harder m+ weeks
so easy weeks they come out the woodworks
junior ivy
true true
arcway seems like a nightmare this week
question about arcway, is the open door at the beginning random each time
or same all week
timid jay
Its random every time
And arcway is pretty shitty for prot warriors this week, lots and lots of magic damage
sick sentinel
arcway is really impossible with bdk or vdh pull
pack just before commander boss is really bad
junior ivy
arcway is the dungeon i need..
sick sentinel
tbh i like arcway in tyranical weeks only hard boss is spider
junior ivy
okay im pissed how come trhe next 2 tyrannical weeks are both necrotic?
we just had a necrotic week recently
why why why
why does blizz love necrotic
sick sentinel
in fortified if you want to do it 20ish you want to skip most of the packs
junior ivy
i'm ready to give up on getting 3k m+ score
sick sentinel
believe me its better then week after
restive scroll
Yeah, next 3 weeks are gonna be horrible
I hope they change it, as they did with the sanguine volcanic fortified :3
But don't give up Catfriend, you'll make it !
timid jay
Right side is probably easier
Especially with a druid in the group
So you can do the ress skip up to the fel lord boss
restive scroll
depend if you have someone that can res in front of the General
otherwise that's only slightly easier on the right
daring aspen
@timid jay shaman can also do skip
restive scroll
I thought DH could do it (although i have no idea how the group comes with), but no idea about shaman
With the jump?
junior ivy
its hard to do all t hese fancy skips and stuff
in pugs
when they refuse to use discord
cause "18s are too easy"
restive scroll
Depend what skip. That one is actually pretty straightforward, and doesn't involves much cooperation
weary fog
is there a general guide/spreadsheet for offensive trinkets? or just 
broken panther
On that arcway for fortified week, cc the 2 small adds and pull the 2 big mobs in a way that ur dps and heal can Los the prophecies of doom casts
timid jay
Probably better to take it to #410902883165405214 😉
torn vigil
junior ivy
what legendaries should i keep in my bags as opposed to my bank?
sick sentinel
im keeping lots of them except destiny driver
bright mortar
Destiny Driver is really cool to use on Varimathras kek
Make sure not to take the cleave
And then you've got an useless legendary somewhat usefull
sick sentinel
and maybe put prydaz on bank if you are only tanking
i have every other lego in my bag
prisma crane
personally i have (for prot) gloves, belt, TWF, bracers, legs, shoulders, boots
and probably use them in roughly that order
i also keep the gloves and execute ring for arms
junior ivy
i use belt for aoe right?
junior ivy
any situation where id use the SR pants and belt?
junior ivy
but with belt not wrists?
sick sentinel
ye
junior ivy
basically ive created a few sets just now. tank single target = wrists/gloves. spell reflect set = wrists/pants. run fast set = shoulders/boots. tank aoe = wrists/belt
is there any other useful combination?
sick sentinel
if you trust healer you should use belt gloves for maximum dps
junior ivy
dont tell me that, itll just make me sad that i gave away 985 wrists i got from upper kara
and only have 950 ones
sick sentinel
yikes
sick sentinel
its still a massive upgrade
i use belt/gloves on mythic fights where im comfortable
junior ivy
ok i completed all my sets. now i gotta make a new action bar to store them on
prisma crane
i usually use the pants with the gloves or bracers
but i dont have separate sets for it
i dont use bracers on anything in Antorus anymore, not unless our healers are having a shitty night and have proven to forget about me from time to time...
timid jay
I use pants with gloves most of the time
My general setup is gloves+belt, almost never change
round hornet
I use pants with AHR for vari because I play scared XD
round hornet
sounds spooky
round hornet
ill try doing more damage next time, haven't seen him in almost a month because of extending for argus
im sure a lot of ppl play scared though because I still get purple parses with such a defensive setup
though I guess AHR isnt that bad damage wise
prisma crane
@timid jay last night i wasnt paying attention, took the slash without anything but IP up, was at like 80% hp
vers procs and 7m+ IPs are a helluva thing
timid jay
👏
signal stratus
how does inspiring presence work? i think there are some subtleties i am missing - like how is it possible for 2 prot warriors to have a different amout of healing from inspiring presence?
prisma crane
because they dont stack
so raid member #14 might sometimes be healed by one, and other times healed by another
i think it MAY be proximity based, but i've seen stuff to conflict that theory, so idk
perhaps one warrior's IP is locked in on someone until they are topped? idk
but yea, they dont stack, so it's RNG who heals who
should just have one of them go with safeguard or something
unless it's a fight like host where the group can be separately instanced or you really want the other prot warrior to get the buff as well
signal stratus
sounds reasonable. thank you for answering
austere grove
so a guy in my guild said there is a spot on garothi where u don't have to run, u just take all the hits to the face but u don't really move, anyone know where that is?
junior ivy
i didnt like opie it confused me 😦
i feel like this arcway is doomed to fail cause they accepted me and didnt wait for a BDK tank lol
idle charm
Hello, excuse me, but could anyone help me with the stats?
junior ivy
my arcway pug is using discord !! this is a good sign !
AND the healer is a gnome
omg
this is good signs
round hornet
@idle charm help with what?
idle charm
@round hornet I have returned to play with the protection warrior but I do not know very well how much percentage should be in haste and critical, or how much is necessary for this patch
round hornet
@idle charm read the pins
stark sage
🙃
junior ivy
did arcway 19, only went over by 3 minutes
!!!!!!!!!!!!
they called me a good tank!
crisp slate
If you are going to suicide during 3rd chains on Argus - do you do so before or after the 3rd set of chains come out? How does that work?
round hornet
normally they go out then you die so only the 1 tank has the chains debuff from it poppin
prisma crane
im still laughing at the screenshots from that mage dude you ran into yesterday Cat
round hornet
tank baits the module then everyone resses and kills it
prisma crane
protip for that tank, stand inthe dead center of his hitbox when you bait it, that way you dont have to back him up much to ensure you dont scythe the whole raid as they tree res... hate to say we had that happen....often...
turbid horizon
Is there a way to spawn the add closer to melee?
on varimathras
as necrotic bitch
because im spawning the add fuckin miles away from the group
round hornet
uh he spawns behind you I think
turbid horizon
like at my back?
round hornet
I think so yeah, thats what someone told me anyways I dont do the bitch tank