no 3000s or anything
#protection
shy rock
fury is easy for seat you cheese 2 last bosses ezpz
just stack more move speed youll do heaps more dmg
round vortex
oh wow the stormforged and above in the voice channel
junior ivy
still on last boss lol
winged marsh
๐๐ผ
glacial sage
Is it true? Should I really reroll?
glacial sage
dang
smoky garnet
Yes
glacial sage
nice time
worn geyser
sub 100 deaths ๐ฎ
winged marsh
l'ura is a really annoying boss
winged marsh
healing on the last phase is really rough too
junior ivy
problem is all the littl;e adds
junior ivy
daring aspen
just play with shaman healer and use link on lura necrotic
winged marsh
lura grievous is damn annoying for healers too
junior ivy
i wannadie how are we still here
lol
but i wann afinish
what do i do about little adds
we are taking a 5 min break lol
sinful vortex
Hey guys i tried playing prot the other day but i couldnt find execute
junior ivy
we might 2 tank it
sinful vortex
Did they rename it like they did charge?
celest rose
been gone the whole expansion
sinful vortex
Lol no wonder warrior tanks suck
celest rose
hmm
daring aspen
3/10 bait
sinful vortex
i tried
junior ivy
smoky garnet
Wow ploppy
undone sun
Toxic ploppy
sinful vortex
Elitist
smoky garnet
Nice color name you got there
sinful vortex
Disgusting
fathom hollow
when keys could still deplete i had more patience
winged marsh
damn deathknights taking over the server
deft sapphire
im definitely not a blood dk main
undone sun
They aren't taking over, we're taking them in
remote tusk
guys how can i become a paladin
sinful vortex
pray
winged marsh
buy a wheelchair
remote tusk
but im angry
winged marsh
โฟ
deft sapphire
what kind of paladin do you want to become
undone sun
โฟ or ๐ฆ
remote tusk
๐
junior ivy
2 tanking it was not a success
deft sapphire
i could've told you that
deft sapphire
whats even wrong
junior ivy
i was havbing trouble with little adds when solo tanking
cause they were dropping stuff everywhere
we just kept losing people before we got to last phase
sinful vortex
are u soaking
sinful vortex
ya
junior ivy
yeah
daring aspen
the void pillar from big add
sinful vortex
prydaz?
junior ivy
they dont like when i soak one
cause then the big add gets taken near it
and dp s accidentally stands in it
and dies
daring aspen
https://i.imgur.com/8kP7a53.png Cutest couple of Skyhold
daring aspen
its obv @sharp fern and his 865 arcano crystal he has had for the entire expansion
timid jay
โค
winged marsh
ayyy
junior ivy
OVER 2 HOURS.
it was 2 hours PAST timer.
more like 2 hours 10 or 15 mins apst timer
took about 3 hours total
shut summit
๐ฌ
junior ivy
hahah yes i always do keys with him
fierce juniper
catfriend
junior ivy
hii
fierce juniper
why would you do that to yourself
junior ivy
cause i was determined!
fierce juniper
i suppose...
junior ivy
and the challenge was fun
and once we invested over an hour into it, it felt like a waste to just give up
junior ivy
question though... will a 3 hour +21 seat even add to my m+ score?
deft sapphire
depends what your last seat was
junior ivy
+17 and we were 12 mins past timer
warm plinth
Reroll pshhh
undone sun
๐
sick sentinel
nah its april 3rd
warm plinth
Still March 31st here, just sayin.
dark junco
Yeah well everything got changed
broken anvil
Yeah in like 5 places ๐
dark junco
Benched,/CoF/reroll
broken anvil
GMT is April 1st boiii
undone sun
TheThoroughTank
smoky garnet
@undone sun my prot warrior cotank back in NH had a average of 20% SB uptime over a entire fight
was he a god at prot and i didnt know?
undone sun
Yes
smoky garnet
just to make sure
cause we would spend 2 brezes a pull on him lol
i had to actually go bear to get prog done
round vortex
I finally did the mage tower video team ๐
shut summit
๐
undone sun
๐
white valley
How easy is prot tank tower?
winged marsh
with current gear pretty damn easy
white valley
As a 940 with no prot legos and specific tank gear i should be able to faceroll it yeah?
undone sun
T21 2pc definitley makes it noticeably easier
winged marsh
uhh
undone sun
Bracers/belt is really all that's needed and 940 is likely going to make it a joke
white valley
O i have t21 2 piece
warm plinth
I mean, I've seen people in here be 950 and struggle with it, so it's really subjective.
white valley
I have wrists at 940. Should i bother upgrading it?
undone sun
Definitely, entirely subjective
white valley
I never play prot though lol
warm plinth
I wouldn't upgrade them just for the mage tower
white valley
Only wanna play it for the mt
warm plinth
The effect is the useful part; the stats aren't going to make or break anything
white valley
I need to save my essences. I dont have any good fury legos yet
warm plinth
The effect is the same regardless of ilevel so they're still good for it
white valley
Sounds good. Ill probably head in and give it a whack next time the tower is up
warm plinth
Have you done the tank challenge on other classes before?
junior ivy
sometimes m+ score is super misleading
just did votw 17 with a monk with a 2300 score
and he was amazing
like insane dps, dwarfing everyone else on aoe
and top dps on bosses
winged marsh
sounds like WW
winged marsh
some people also just dont have the time to push keys
round hornet
it just means they did it once at some point
junior ivy
i added him to my friends list. i am forcing him to be my m+ BFF now.
hes on sargeras too
winged marsh
got a few people in my guild who are really strong players
warm plinth
I mean...M+ score can underrate people if they just haven't done dungeons of their ability. But someone who's 4k is going to be good regardless (not saying they can't make mistakes but they will almost definitely know what they're doing)
smoky oak
look at my m+ score for instance
smoky oak
if i bothered it could be way higher i think
winged marsh
nah not even
junior ivy
my sister is like 2800 and shes... not what youd call great
winged marsh
ive pugged with some really terrible 4k players
junior ivy
shes average
i cant imagine a terrible 4k player lol
but i think ive only ever ran with like one 4k person
winged marsh
honestly a good tank/healer can backpack a team to 4k
junior ivy
i need to make 4k m+ friends lol
smoky garnet
im personally 1.8k on my warrior and i beat a lot of 4k+
junior ivy
sure
smoky garnet
why did both of you need to be ally
warm plinth
Just because you're as good as a 4k player doesn't mean 4k doesn't mean anything though
winged marsh
cause my friends are all dips and wanted to roll alli this xpac
now we all wanna go horde but the guild wont have it
smoky garnet
oh yeah ok
junior ivy
omg dont go horde
winged marsh
rip lol
smoky garnet
bursting quaking fort +20 maw
winged marsh
the comps coming out of the upper keys are definitely interesting
junior ivy
omg
warm plinth
Not a terrible combo for Maw I guess, though fort is never fun
round vortex
@white valley I jsut did it with 936 and Prydaz + Sephuz for the guide lol
winged marsh
3 dhs hunter and tank is what method EU did
winged marsh
feelsrealbadman
winged marsh
class representation is gonna be mad stale man
smoky oak
last mdi was triple arms
warm plinth
There's no CoF on the tournament realm?
smoky oak
nope
warm plinth
Wow
smoky garnet
dhs,rogues,locks,hunters,monk will dominate it
junior ivy
wow
warm plinth
Wow
junior ivy
ive been doing eli mythic every week just in case i ever wanna do fury lol
also to help titania get a good cof lol
winged marsh
Titania doesnt need better gear
junior ivy
i promised him a cof from el imythic if i get a good one
winged marsh
I want some damn avoidance
junior ivy
what i need is a titanforged dimas..
winged marsh
I managed to scrounge together a 18% set
without losing too much
but having basically permanent avoidance with cof would be dope
honest mantle
this is tank chat, right?
little rain
lol
clever sleet
honest mantle
to be fair, reroll and benched amount to the same thing ;p
little rain
ooo my boi sense helping me rep on the leaderboard
now if I could just get my teammates to play ww monk
honest mantle
@winged marsh i have all 6, 4 of which are mythic ready, and the other two i just can't get my mind into yet
winged marsh
we fixed them
shy rock
Im just that good
restive scroll
meh, seen better photoshop
shy rock
i used ms paint LOL
restive scroll
same shit
arctic sedge
Lol
quiet kettle
welp, looks like we can finally stop rerolling and be competent tanks again
undone sun
quiet kettle
celest portal
quiet kettle
bottom of the muted channel
sick sentinel
Good time of the day. I got told that I should be weaving revenge+IP all the time if I had the talent, is it correct?
Or I should only utilize the free procs?
timid jay
If you play vengeance you weave constantly
Though once you get t21 2p vengeance loses a lot of value and isnt worth playing anymore
sick sentinel
Because I'll have a lot of rage to spent on IP, right?
timid jay
Mostly because you spend so much time inside BC theres a lot less weaving you can do
vocal obsidian
Wtf happened to skyhold
cosmic valley
Who improved skyhold*
silk mortar
sick sentinel
took me freakin long to realize its april ๐ u guys rly need to extend madness in here!
and give Cosmo yellow back pls - this hurtz! haha
zealous ore
No u
sick sentinel
oh darkraze is aprilcocky i see
zealous ore
Every day of the year, though
zealous ore
Nah, only for cool kidz on the block
austere grove
Anyone here done like highish tyrannical HoV? I can't survive Hyrja light beam for long enough before running out of cds
grave grove
legs can help for that
junior ivy
really? good to know
grave grove
and you just need a lot of dps. that's a really hard boss
junior ivy
i thought last time i did hov 18 tyrannial though spell reflect was up for eveyr beam anyway though
grave grove
probably the hardest
austere grove
I mean it hits me for 9-10 mil through spell reflect
so I have to double defensive each one
grave grove
how much avoidance do you have
austere grove
none sadly
grave grove
that hurts, avoidance is free DR for that mechanic
shaman/dpriest healers help
other than that you just need to coordinate externals to survive them
austere grove
I can do aggra trinket 1, reflect + archi trinket + demo for one, then shield wall reflect 1, then reflect last stand one, but then I'm pretty much dry
grave grove
you need help basically
austere grove
ok, and the cheese on her? anyone know how to do it?
so she does sanctify on the nature side
grave grove
not familiar with that sorry
austere grove
I guess it doesn't help my anyways so no point, but ty for the help
junior ivy
i know it involves heroic leaping to the opposite side just as she starts her cast
or something
but i've never actually done it
requires precise timing'
grave grove
the regular strat is to start her on one side and drag her immediately to the other side
but i'm not aware of the cheese strat
austere grove
is there any way I can check how much dmg the beam does on the different m+ lvls?
think I saw a google document or something before? but don't remember where
grave grove
yea there is
it was a massive project but i don't have the link
there's this thing: http://www.quin69.com/wow-x-tools-mpluscalc/
you need to use the dungeon journal for it
junior ivy
question
for non skittish weeks
do you guys run warlords challenge for m+
or a different one?
sick sentinel
i do always use it
junior ivy
okay just wasnt sure
austere grove
thanks for the link wadner, I had some avoidance gear in my bank and with it I can survive the beam with only reflect up
according to that link atleast
junior ivy
nothing is more fruistrating than pugs in high m+ keys who think discord isnt necessary !!
sick sentinel
i tryed the tc talent a bit - but doesnt seem to give me that much vs warlords
oh and im playin the smolderin more often now. quite funny what u can do with that trinket ๐ should help out on hyrja too for example - u can even cheese the knockback of the beam withit
restive scroll
At some point, the packs are long enough to pop everything on every pull, to not really need warlord. Although it's not always easy, it's often managable
@junior ivy Honestly, discord is not necessary before some 21/22. But people need to know what they have to do
grave grove
april 1
vale gyro
Ahhh right thx
wheat flame
does anyone know what is the minimum haste requirement to have borderline full uptime on shield block when using anger management? (actually, should I even care about having a 100% uptime in the first place?...)
white valley
100% haste should do it
restive scroll
117*
white valley
Oh fuck no wonder i die alot
restive scroll
Nah, you just don't have to have 100% uptime
white valley
I put the last 17 points in to crit. Was that a bad choicr?
Cause i dont have 100% uptime i get knocked the fuck out by base melees
restive scroll
good Ignore pain is more important than shield block
remote tusk
@surreal ermine ๏ผโฟ อกโ แดโ)ใคโโโซใปoใ (Ardus) hello fren
sick sentinel
Yay it's back to normal!!!
timid jay
What you mean yay
white valley
I am disappointed
robust bronze
How do i maximize prot dps?
robust bronze
i mean, talent and leggo wise
timid jay
Talents are the same as always, we never really change talents
Legendaries are a bit more dependand on encounter, generally gloves+belt
gloves+AHR is stronger ST if you can consistently use LS with AHR and pop it
on cooldown
robust bronze
LS?
timid jay
last stand
unborn island
@austere grove you could use act trinket for 2nd or third and wall first. Gives more time to get back up
By that point your dps will all be dead anyway
ember arrow
u can only use reflect
and alternate SW/SR/LS/sr
u wont die to it, at least i didnt on +24
whole folio
so i just read about the 4pc t20 and 2pc t21 interaction, it sounds cool but you end up with some seriously low HP pool, i'm under 8 mil now :S
the guide says going full t21 is worth it when you have mythic t21 but does that assume mythic t20 as well?
is it worth losing around 30 ilvls on 4 slots for the setbonuses?
whole folio
alright i dont think it's worth it for me with my t20 then
do you still use anger management, booming voice and the walls fell with just t21?
ember arrow
depends if u need the extra SW
also hp pool is irrelevant
our IP is our hp making it on par with others
whole folio
is there a rough guideline how many ilvls the t21 4pc bonus is worth?
remote tusk
whole folio
thanks pascal but i read the whole bastionofdefense.com page on it
remote tusk
If you read it you should know.
sick sentinel
dont be to cocky with this guy, eh? i mean this question pops up frequently ..and guides indeed kinda lackluster somehow.
sharp dew
@austere grove super late reply but you shouldnโt need any trinkets for hyrja regardless if itโs an 18 or 25, run TWF/bracers and use SR each beam + 1 defensive-demo worksplenty fine and is usually up for half of the beams and up for the first two in a row, youโll have LS or SW for each one as well when DS is down
sick sentinel
a guess for t21 4p defense value would be .. around +30 ilvl per slot ?! smth. like that
restive scroll
You can use the protective charge instead of inspiring presence for hyrja too, helps out a lot
sick sentinel
safeguard is great in hyrja
sharp dew
Should be running safeguard for 99% of dungeons
sick sentinel
you can help with lightining bolt with insta charge
u like the twf/bracers combo @sharp dew ? was playing around with it just recently for some more defense .. but idk ๐
u run it without 6p too tho eh?
sharp dew
Yeah I have a set called TWF which is t21 2p and TWF/bracers with trinkets changing depending on if itโs a magic boss like Ivanyr or a melee like majority, for hard hitting melee-cath first boss, hymdal etc, the I run dmd+apoc drive. For magic like Ivanyr I just change to haste stat sticks etc
sick sentinel
oh 2p only i see - sounds like a burst survival one then ^^
sharp dew
If you donโt have a large gap between t20 and other pieces then you could go 2p/4p but I have too much of a gap in ilvl to run it, the armor strength stam and secondary stats add up too much let alone the dps increase because of it
sick sentinel
yeah sure, thx for sharin! guess ill give the twf a bit more love - often just stuck to Kakus STR ๐
sharp dew
Yeah I wear gloves majority of the time, there are only a few bosses where I recommend twf over gloves
And of course the level of the dungeon changes the decision as well
:p
sick sentinel
im just more used to kakus ragegain i think. when i try twf now and then ill find myself critical ragestrafed more often somehow
shouldnt spamm to hard maybe - lul
wide field
Finally got Highlord Kruul down.
sick sentinel
๐ช booooi!
wide field
yeah i would say its hardest of the 3 since you can get instant killed in a number of ways even at high level
sick sentinel
definitly
tho ive to say i did spent way more time in fury one since its was first time i specc into this ever
austere grove
@sharp dew Ty but my issue was solved with slapping on some stamina flask and trinket and avoidance, I was getting 1 shot through spell reflect so I Had to burn double cds or more each beam so I ran out, but with the gear set I can survive with reflect only if I am atleast at 80% hp, so hopefully it will be enough, will try it again later in the week. Ty for all the help from the people in chat though
ember arrow
@sharp dew how do u tank high moroes keys? jsut did 23 on dk and got pummeled
sharp dew
Play warrior and not get pummeled ๐
timid jay
The big danger tends to be the stun for the garrote
You can pop a defensive for it if you see him point towards you
sharp dew
958 for a 23 tyran boss like Moroes is definitely pushing it, as cosmo said try and prepare ahead of time for the stun, dk I feel relies on haste even more than warrior it feels terrible without super high haste so that might be your problem too
ember arrow
46% wit boneshioeld
that feels fine
dk cant block melees unlike war
so it felt hard becuz of that
3mil melee + 1mil dot every sec
timid jay
At that point you're just undergeared if you can keep yourself up
ember arrow
2dh and huntard dps
so they had to be spam,m healed too
that was probklem too
@timid jay stun is irrelevant IBF removes it
probmel was the dot + melees
problem
timid jay
You only have so many IBF's
ember arrow
on orc, stuns last short
ember arrow
we killed manadrain and ravager dude first
then mana drain and then empowered arms
oh
warm plinth
Stun usually isn't an issue for me on my DK if it's just the boss, since you can just DS right after it and be full HP again.
ember arrow
wait i mean the smite spam
so it was : kill manadrain and ravager, then kill smite spam and arms
warm plinth
And you're sure empower was getting interrupted?
ember arrow
it werent the mechancis taht killed me
ye 100%
it was simply melee + dot
but ye 958
23 tyranical
๐
i mean the brh 22 be4 was easy
adn all other obsses in lower too
was just moroes
warm plinth
Hmm, I mean obviously I haven't done it at +23 tyrannical but I never noticed him meleeing harder than your average boss. It's usually the adds not being properly dealt with that fuck me over in tyr keys. That sounds pretty shit.
3 mil melee sounds fun to deal with
warm plinth
Grossssss
ember arrow
had to only use runes to reapply
it was AMAZING on all other bosses
since they got few abilities
that SD makes trivial
2 adds+ boss melee> BS stacks go away in 2 sec
warm plinth
Well, tbh, 46% haste with BS is pretty low to try running SD imo. I have like 57ish haste and I still don't know if I'd be comfortable with SD
I think that fucked you more than your ilevel
warm plinth
No I don't think you were wrong running SD. Just that it's gonna be brutal on bosses like that with lower haste levels
Having to spend all your runes on Marrowrend kills your RP generation so you get a lot less death strikes
ember arrow
eoa 21 for example i cud tank king deepbeard slam
take 20% hp dmg
purgatory wasnt even proced on attuiumen solo soak
or on any dungeons before
SD did great work i think, jsut is terrible agaisnt multiple high dmg targets
thats it
warm plinth
Does running SD affect the functionality of Bone Shield? Because Bone Shield only gets consumed on melee attacks. So like Garrote wouldn't consume a charge, and neither would Deepbeard's Slam or Shared Suffering. I don't run high enough keys to have ever needed SD but I'm not 100% sure that it even does anything for those types of abilities.
warm plinth
Ah okay
ember arrow
not melees
warm plinth
So any damage over 25% = 2 charges consumed?
warm plinth
2 if it's a melee then
ember arrow
ye
warm plinth
Gotcha
ember arrow
1 if its melee and not within internal cd
if u get meleed twice i n2 sec, and the secodn one does 50% hp
then 2 charges get removed
warm plinth
Yeah
warm plinth
Is it based on your normal unbuffed health or current health?
ember arrow
but if u get git by 5 guys liek that
5 charges get removed
no internal cd
SD has none
unbufffed hp im pty sure
but vs ST its really good
unbuffed meaning
16% less
than waht u see
becasue BS is 16% absorb
warm plinth
Yeah I know a lot of DKs use it for high keys mainly because you have to in order to not get trucked by certain mobs/bosses.
ember arrow
it makes u immune to oneshots
basically
also lets u not use cds on boss nukes
btw im banned from dk discord
so thats why im using this
pepe emotes too strong
warm plinth
Was that all you lol? There was some huge thing in there yesterday about them.
warm plinth
Kinda silly, that whole thing. I didn't realize people were getting banned because of it though lol. I thought it was just an "in moderation" type of thing.
warm plinth
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ember arrow
i suppose i cud chat this about dk in offtopic
warm plinth
If people wanna be that anal about emojis, follow Skyhold's lead and just disable global emojis.
warm plinth
Prevents the problem entirely
Idk, most of the emojis I use are the regular Discord ones though. I use 
in here sometimes but I think that's basically it.
ember arrow
there are some amazing ones in Blazinskrubs discord
warm plinth
I want the 
emoji to automatically ping Thyme each time it's used.
ember arrow
but other than that same
warm plinth
Especially if it was like a ping on servers he's not even on. Like if you had Nitro and used it elsewhere and he wasn't a member of that server, it would auto-join him and ping him. I'd have a lot of fun with that.
undone sun
Hmmm
timid jay
Fun for you maybe
ember arrow
worldcrusher new torturer
undone sun
Lol cosmo know's first hand
ember arrow
method
timid jay
I know all about the spam pings
warm plinth
Don't worry Thyme. I'd also delete the post afterward so you would just get pings to nothing.
ember arrow
good guy
timid jay
I left acherus after all that
ember arrow
๐
timid jay
Was only a matter of time before I got muted/banned anyway
undone sun
Lol yup
warm plinth
I can say some jacked up stuff in there and get nothing, but then I say something is AIDS once and a mod steps in and scolds me.
ember arrow
@warm plinth think stam trinks and flask increase value of SD
for obviuouys reasons
to get back to that
warm plinth
Because AIDS is a disease, not a description of something
ember arrow
no shit sherlock
but its jsut regular talk
thats the thing i dislike
a
about language police
undone sun
Well get used to it, you're posting in blood more often
ember arrow
who
timid jay
You
undone sun
You
warm plinth
Yeah. Well, I don't really have issues with most Discords. I stay in them because I refer to the guides a lot (or if I have a question that isn't answered there), but besides this and the M+ discord, I have all of my servers muted.
ember arrow
then i got banned
with pepes
but what do u mean more in blood iwas ijn skyhold forever
D:
undone sun
more often
timid jay
I got 2 warnings from mods in acherus
And then the post about no pepes being allowed was posted
Another warning and I left, felt no reason to stay then
warm plinth
I learned early on that most of them aren't for me. I don't tolerate the typical speaker in most class Discords, so I tend to ignore chat unless I have a question.
undone sun
timid jay
lol
undone sun
no u
warm plinth
Lol I was wondering why he called you a clown Thyme
undone sun
Can't be posting pepes now
warm plinth
I was like that was weirdly out of context. I guess I missed the emoji
warm plinth
That shit was entertaining though. I actually caught it right at the end and had to scroll up and read all of it. It was soap opera-worthy
undone sun
timid jay
In blood or acherus-refugees?
undone sun
Blood
warm plinth
I'm surprised that slicer guy didn't get muted or kicked during that whole thing
undone sun
So were we
ember arrow
funny that dks are undead warriorsthat exist to server a purpose, while the discord is anything but that
warm plinth
Good times
warm plinth
Congrats
I...didn't do any M+ again this week.
My SavedInstances addon lied to me and said two of my toons had chests available.
junior ivy
THANKSSS
little rain
They ban people for pepe in dk discord? If memory serves they dont allow guild recruitment or self promotion of any sense over therr either. What a mess.
warm plinth
They do now, apparently
timid jay
They do now yeah
true bear
wait wtf osley told me pepes are "allowed" again
warm plinth
Though it still doesn't seem to say it anywhere in the rules or anything.
true bear
so i changed my noose avatar with a pepe noose avatar 
ember arrow
haHAA
warm plinth
Yeah, I was gonna say I swore I saw a pin about it but it's not there now
true bear
last i heard the mods were "talking" about letting it back in or something
ember arrow
ohh, they are allowing us to use our free speech
true bear
the pin is gone so i'll pepe as hard as i want ๐คท
ember arrow
praise them
true bear
mods didn't see it, i didn't do it
timid jay
I need 10min to be allowed to talk
warm plinth
The pin or whatever it was that I read was that it was discouraged but not necessarily a bannable offense unless it was excessive.
true bear
yeah "discouraged" = get asked to change avatar within 2 mins of typing something
and muting people who asked why more than once
timid jay
I used 1 pepe and mods started pm'ing me
Telling me to stop unless I wanted a mute or ban
true bear
like legit people who were active in the channels helping, not just people baiting
warm plinth
Heh. Good stuff.
warm plinth
Maybe it was one big, bad April Fool's joke
ember arrow
that began waay be4 april
warm plinth
Yeah I just read that Nezuvious or whatever his name is said they're discussing it. But I can't find anything since then.
grand trellis
Our guild tank just quit, the officers want me to take over on a warrior alt, heโs only 950 and doesnโt have any legos to speak of. Soul and the SB ring. You guys think thatโs an issue for Mythic?
timid jay
What bosses are we talking about?
grand trellis
We starting mythic. Only on dogs
deft sapphire
I would avoid it if you could
timid jay
Dogs might be a bit rough at that gear level unless you play really well
deft sapphire
But try farm for wrists
timid jay
Soul is basically a dead legendary with the new tier set and as mgll said bracers help immensely on that fight, especially on progress
deft sapphire
Dogs tank damage is actually surprisingly heavy and punishing if you miss a shield block
languid rose
cosmo fix your colour
timid jay
???
languid rose
still april 1
grand trellis
Iโve tanked some mythic on my Paladin and it seemed tame
But our other tank (and gm) is a Paladin so they want some variety
timid jay
It is doable
You'll just need very attentive healers and you cant really fuck up at all with that gear
grand trellis
Mm ya. Fair enough.
ember arrow
to quote DArkest Dungeon narrator: "Decimated"
cinder nova
catfriend is wonderful and pure and is a precious little cinnamon bun
drowsy geode
rolled for a Lego with my essence adn got Aggramars Stride, as if i needed more mobility
drowsy geode
oddly enough since my only other legos are Soul and Grand Army its probably my second best at this point since all my T2 Netherlights are terrible
It is normal to feel like I'm spamming IP right?
mellow crest
Could someone help me with my rotation and talents?
timid jay
Most of the common questions are answered in the guide thats pinned
It goes over the talent choices and rotation
sharp dew
@mellow crest 3,2,1,-,1,3,1 for talents rotation would be easier to look at in guide
mellow crest
@sharp dew what is your battle tag?
quiet delta
which ring is better?
warm plinth
You could go either way.
turbid horizon
Id take 2nd one
warm plinth
5 ilevels is insignificant for jewelry
timid jay
Haste > mastery => versa >> crit basically
ilvl is still king for the pure amount of stats
quiet delta
so mastery and vers are almost identical?
timid jay
Mastery can be a lot stronger, it depends on how much blockable damage there is in the encounter
If there's no blockable damage, mastery loses a lot of value
quiet delta
ok and more magical vers increases obv
timid jay
๐
quiet delta
is it recommended to have like 50%+ mastery and 30%+ haste or something like that?
final mist
nope
quiet delta
okay
grave lily
are we still t20 boys or can i finally delete it
timid jay
If you still have t20 in competitive ilvl you stick with it
warm plinth
~25 ilevels per piece is approximately where the cutoff has been stated to be. DPS-wise you can sim it, though the 4pc+2pc was always more a defensive setup.
grave lily
and thats just for ST survive, for M+ is it just juicy offset ilvl?
or am i super backwards
warm plinth
You'll still want the 2pc for DPS (T21) and the 4pc T21 is good defensively if you need it, but yeah, mostly just 2pc+ilevel
grave lily
the 4pc just feels so weird, like either IP is up 100% full 100% without any issue or it gets 1 shot
mellow dove
is the angerboda trinket good at all? a 955 dropped
junior ivy
question
do i need to wear special pants on maw +12 tyrannical?
or just higher keys?
for first boss
time sensitive question.
lol
timid jay
Prob fine without legs
grave lily
idk prot ST feels like i'm just hitting IP to do 10% more dmg
warm plinth
Yeah you're fine without legs on +12; just make sure you rotate CDs
junior ivy
ty
warm plinth
Though honestly not sure I'd ever not use legs on it if I had them, especially at that level when your contribution probably won't matter much lol
junior ivy
my issue is using legs means no t21
means way less dps
considering i am the top dps in this group
thats why id rather not use ythem if i dont have to
grave lily
definitely not yeet
undone sun
On bosses like ymiron and medivh, the reflect damage is more than you would do with 2pc
Making legs still worth it
warm plinth
You don't need leggings to use Reflect for every grip on Oakheart.
undone sun
SR is up for every one without legs
austere grove
but the grip?
timid jay
Thats nature damage
undone sun
Yes, that's what we said
timid jay
and thats the thing you SR
warm plinth
It's on a long enough timer that SR will be up anyway
austere grove
oh I mean breath*
timid jay
Breath doesnt do much
warm plinth
The breath isn't dangerous enough to need SR
undone sun
Doesn't do nearly as much
austere grove
ok ok
warm plinth
If it's hitting you that hard that you think you need something, you can just make sure to have topped off IP or use a defensive, but it's generally not necessary.
undone sun
My recommendations for legs in dungeons is mostly for actual reflects as well, otherwise you can easily cover damage with other major CDs
warm plinth
Has anyone messed around with SR on Curator? Is there an ideal way to utilize it? Like having group stack and they move while you stay in and reflect? Or is it generally not worth it?
undone sun
Probably stack, yeah
grave lily
curator is just stack and S key, hard to convince people to do it though
warm plinth
Probably only worth doing if you have 3x ranged DPS I guess, since otherwise you might screw melee out of getting uptime for the sake of SR
undone sun
Yeh
grave lily
for shade can you block missles halfway through or do you have to precast SR
to do dmg, obviously DR would apply
timid jay
You can do it mid cast
Most important is to cover the last tick for the debuff if you're going to SR it
That debuff is nasty
undone sun
^
timid jay
But you really want to cover it all if possible, you'll take a lot less damage and reflect a lot
warm plinth
I still need legs and bracers ๐ญ
crystal tartan
best part if you reflect the last tick is,boss gets debuff,so if you have a dd with arcane dmg he'll be happy
undone sun
Not anymore
timid jay
They fixed that now though, boss doesnt get the debuff anymore
crystal tartan
pretty sure he still did last time i ran upper
crystal tartan
what,3x arcane dds and boss just melted?
timid jay
Pretty much yes
warm plinth
Sub-30 second kills from what I've heard
undone sun
Could easily one phase the boss
crystal tartan
kinda surprised it didnt come up on 1st mdi then
fleet galleon
Didn't it only get fixed on tournament realms? I thought that's what I read on Wowhead but I may have been mistaken
undone sun
It got fixed first on TR realms then got pushed to live
fleet galleon
Ah alright
cloud hound
sim is functional now?
undone sun
Yes
grave lily
yikers
timid jay
Is it tyrannical?
grave lily
dont die to bursting kappa
junior ivy
tyrannical yes
one of my big questions is
am i allowed to bring melee
or shoudl ib ring ranged
so far its me (prot warrior) and my sister (ret pally)
should we get 2 ranged? 2 melee? 1 of each? doesnt matter?
winged marsh
melee is good, more consistant kicks for medivh
junior ivy
cool
winged marsh
plus you have immunity for worm which is super helpful
grave lily
lower
grave lily
banned
winged marsh
yea
timid jay
Yeah, it can be a bit annoying on moroes though
junior ivy
i find 90% of the time im doing m+ i get people freaking out DONT GET MELEE ONLY RANGEDDDDD
timid jay
Need 1 ranged at least
winged marsh
moroes can be a pain if the iron whirlwind guy is up this week
timid jay
One tip for moroes, you know that hes gonna stun you when he points at you
little rain
Triple WW monks every dungeon. New rule.
timid jay
I tend to pop a CD if thats the case on higher tyrannical keys
timid jay
He hurts a lot while you're stunned
junior ivy
not even a little
i just taunt and hope for the best
and use cds and panic
every time i fight moroes on a high key
i dont understand the fight.
smoky oak
Reason people want ranged is because ranged is arguably better and less likely to die in high keys, due to the simple fact that they wont be standing in cleave abilities and most of them have extremely strong defensives. Noone in their right mind would say triple ranged is better than 1 melee 2 ranged though due to the CD on interupts for all casters except ele shaman
junior ivy
hm okay
jade socket
depends on the key
smoky oak
For some dungeons you might want more than 1 melee because of the amount of dangerous casts
jade socket
there is times where you do want 3 ranged and there is some instances where it doesnt matter
junior ivy
i want us to have best chance
jade socket
you want a decent amount of kicks for this week
smoky oak
What event is opera this week?
jade socket
its the pots and pans one
smoky oak
Oh
junior ivy
i have one melee guaranteed, ret pally, cause its her key
smoky oak
Yeah you need alot of kicks
junior ivy
but so far just me and her in group
smoky oak
Just make sure you pick up some good players
junior ivy
k we are trying our best lol
austere grove
wait for NA it's the broom? pretty sure it's the 2 casters on EU
smoky oak
A good player on whatever class is gonna do better than some baddie on a afflock
austere grove
was broom last week for EU
smoky oak
No its the pot and pan with all the kicks
austere grove
yeah but it's broom, cauldron and luminore first
for EU it's the jump into the air one
with the 2 witches
til we have different operas, figured it was the same since we have the same affixes
smoky oak
Oh thats the easy one
austere grove
never underestimate peoples ability to not know what the fk to do, and die every aoe
mellow crest
Hey all
timid jay
๐
warm plinth
RIP
timid jay
Closing in on 3k score yet?
junior ivy
2721 but that seat is gonna give me a nice boost
timid jay
Starting to get up there ๐
warm plinth
I'll be caught up. Just need 1k more points ๐
Well, and like 10 more ilevel probably
timid jay
Im 2,735 atm
warm plinth
Oh shhhh
junior ivy
omg, im almost beating you cosmo
warm plinth
Step up Cosmo
junior ivy
how is that possible
timid jay
I dont really do that much m+ pushing
Mostly getting my +15 for the week done
https://raider.io/characters/eu/stormscale/Skรถldkast#season=season-7.3.2
Just take a look at my recent m+ runs, shows the key level I usually do
junior ivy
im so proud of this seat 18 group
timid jay
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
junior ivy
no one in group had higher m+ score than me
healers score was 1300.
youre still #4 warrior tank cosmo!
timid jay
Not that many that try to push m+ as prot warrior
junior ivy
oh damn im 19 now
timid jay
That ring of vitriolic intent makes me a bit jealous ๐
You've beaten Thyme a long time ago Catfriend
junior ivy
wow i didnt even know that
but look both of you are cutting edge
thats way more impressive!
he hasnt done seat either
lol
timid jay
Fuck seat
junior ivy
you guys arent brave enough
timid jay
๐
I went into that place in a normal mythic mode
once it was released
And I said never again
deft sapphire
So what youโre saying is catfriend should be stormforged
And we should demote thyme
junior ivy
lmao
timid jay
And I'm gonna keep bullying him until he goes full mongo dps to start logging
A bit unlucky though, hes rank 11
deft sapphire
yeah but theres only like 11 people that still play prot warrior
timid jay
oof
timid jay
Yeah boi
deft sapphire
do you have a 960+ diima
deft sapphire
that shit is so good
timid jay
I love my diimas
aggramars was roughly a 80-85k dps increase over my old trinket
insane amount of str
deft sapphire
ye and the vers proc is not bad
timid jay
My raid can finally stop complaining about only having 1 tank trinket
timid jay
๐
junior ivy
๐
deft sapphire
@fathom hollow https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/รen
boomie in my guild ๐