dont feel bad
#protection
junior ivy
yeh we voted whether to do AHC or hounds
ember arrow
Skada: Healing for Total: 16:09 (1 Hr 26 Min):
- Offtank 1.422B (739.7K, 46.9%)
- Toibasu 1.158B (636.6K, 38.2%)
- Wyve 183.85M (104.1K, 6.1%)
junior ivy
everyone wanted AHC
ember arrow
Skada: DPS for Total: 16:09 (1 Hr 27 Min):
- Manncy 1.90M
- Wyve 1.82M
- Delebel 1.67M
- Offtank 783.3K
- Toibasu 132.5K
junior ivy
i wanna do a +20 this week
verbal haven
i might push a key this week on my DH but idk im having trouble finding a guild/group thats active this late in expansion
ember arrow
ye its ez on warr
junior ivy
skittish teeming tyrannical
ember arrow
on eu its skitthshj, bursting,tyranical
verbal haven
thats not bad
junior ivy
dunon why i thought it was teeming
verbal haven
the tyrannical kinda sucks with bursting but it is what it is
verbal haven
dont the tentacles count as non boss enemies in maw?
verbal haven
ohh then your good
ember arrow
1 stack is nothing
junior ivy
i just dunno how to live through tentacles on tyrannical
junior ivy
whatr if its not available
ember arrow
as soon as u taunt it u use SR
undone sun
The bleed
junior ivy
okay
undone sun
They cast is maybe 2 seconds after they spawn/agro
junior ivy
im gonna do like a +10 maw for practice
undone sun
So just make sure to have SR active
verbal haven
^^ this
junior ivy
then my other issue is getitn hit by green stuff when she throws it ugh
2nd phae is so easy
ember arrow
but taunt them quickly and get into their melee
junior ivy
phase
ember arrow
or they oneshot a dps
dusky mica
The first M+ key I did on my DK was a 15. Did two LFR's and got sent two leggos from his Warrior daddy.
It's just dumb.
The upcoming MDI will be fun. Every tank is a belf DK.
verbal haven
yeah DK is fun to tank as
verbal haven
lol my DK is a BE
ember arrow
to do high level keys u need to pick SD, which means dnd isnt really used
only for kiting
verbal haven
for that sweet sweet racial
dusky mica
Well we used to have Karazhan. But they've nerfed the reflecting of the debuff on Medivh.
ember arrow
ofc they did
dusky mica
So now warrior representation will be 0.
spiral cipher
mass grip ><
dusky mica
They should change how pelters in NL work. Have them ignore aggro and just pelt random targets.
ember arrow
that wouldnt solve the problem
the thing about massgrip it trivializes trash mechanics
and massively increases group dps with 0 effort
dusky mica
Nah it wouldn't, but it's an ANNOYING change like the reflect change.
ember arrow
1.5min cd means its up every other pack too
dusky mica
So mass NL pulls will kill someone.
ember arrow
i do agree, but mostly im sayign its only part of the problem
or 20% leech to everyone every 45 sec
dusky mica
Same change needs to be made in HoV.
spiral cipher
watching DK's mass grip the HoV hallway is infuriating
because of that very reason Levko : /
at least it bothers me
ember arrow
i mean u can call me doomsaying etc
but when our IP at start was real strong they nerfed it
now they nerf SR in upper etc
mobs shud behave like stationary bosses, or evade when tank is outa range
melee closest target
spiral cipher
that'd make necrotic week hell tho
spiral cipher
ah k
ember arrow
i mean run soa far that casters cant reach u
so they chase u isntead of casting
like pelters
spiral cipher
yeah its kinda dumb you can do that
i mean, it's not as bad during skittish since its easy to pull off
but everything else
.>
dusky mica
It would be easier to make some targetted changes to dungeons. Rather than overhaul the whole system.
ember arrow
give melee mobs "wild flailing" when tank gets more than 20 yards from them
idk
its not my job to come up wit ideas
spiral cipher
lol
dusky mica
it isn't?
ember arrow
i dotn need ot be masterchef to notice food is shit
dusky mica
fuck dude, what do you even do then?!
spiral cipher
he's got a PHD in complaining :p
dusky mica
We all do when this MDI shit comes around :P
ember arrow
hurr durr, we'll see it when everyone ignore warr in bfa in m+ like the do now
dusky mica
Probably. We are shit on alpha.
spiral cipher
well, i like playing the underdog so let em at it
dusky mica
But DK is also pretty lame.
ember arrow
its easier and better
dusky mica
My resto shaman though. Dat tremor totem!
bright mortar
Just ran 15 MoS to test out new trinkets, any idea why 960 Ice Bomb did that low ? https://gyazo.com/f88351a7576a9b2b78ee0ea5c67dcf78
ember arrow
@spiral cipher underdog is one thing, but the problem is if we have objectively worse versions of other tanks's skills
dusky mica
Because it does low damage?
bright mortar
I've seen pallies doing shit ton of dmgs with that trinket
bright mortar
Yes sir
bright mortar
It does a lot of burst with Diima's and Battle Cry
But overall it feels so bad even tho I didn't take it off once
bright mortar
Yeah that's right
stark sage
the verse you get is a big part too
bright mortar
But I thought it'd deal much more dmgs
ember arrow
hit 5 trargets
bright mortar
Well, thanks guys, I'll work on more sets to make it worth
spiral cipher
with big pulls are places like... say kara where some of the trash is huge.
hit it with DS / BC up and just lol at the damage
sharp dew
You don’t use it for the terrible on use dmg, you use it for the huge vers it gives which then =dmg
spiral cipher
hm, just up'd my kaku's gloves and swapped em on - up to 63% mastery holy cow
drowsy geode
Yo! if i drop some logs in here could someone give me some pointers on how to improve, they're from a normal run of Antorus
drowsy geode
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GBqXbJYpKkVZNjg2/ Logs if anyone can take a quick look and see if im making any glaringly obvious mistakes (character is borkahn
junior ivy
mythic guldan
illidan phase
help
is there a tnak swap
is there mechanics
whats an orb
and what to do with adds?
😦
round hornet
No swap on illidan
Stand in the orb to not die when the screen changes color
Dps should take care of retrieving ur soul so u can be healed again
So u normally just stand there and hold boss in middle if ur the one tanking him
While the other tank grabs adds kinda far away
round hornet
Idk prolly
shut summit
can just save lust and kill illidan before having to deal with bubbles, if DPS is high enough
languid rose
@drowsy geode don't raid with safeguard
junior ivy
we ar saving lust
but we jsut keep getting overwhelmed
😦
we got him to 39% that time
i die SO easily to illidan
i use all my CDs
i get some weird debuff
jade socket
Someone has to soak it
Spawns a purple image that’s choking behind you
Have to take turns soaking unless you have an immunity
junior ivy
someone else has to soak it for me?
junior ivy
they just stand on it?
jade socket
Yeah they just have to go and pick it up
prisma crane
@drowsy geode nothing seems way out of the ordinary to me, seem to have good block % and solid dmg taken breakdown
@languid rose he was raiding with another prot warr, so if the other dude has insp pres, may as well try something diff, few times i wish i could use safeguard in raid on some fights
drowsy geode
it was actually a cock up, i was doing some M+ just before it but its nice to know that if anotehr warrior ahs it i can take Safeguard 😃
prisma crane
i didnt get a chance to look too closely, so i could be missing some things, im assuming it's a new character, not many lego choices and trinket options?
languid rose
he had a blood dk when i was looking?
prisma crane
yea insp pres doest stack
drowsy geode
it was accross 2 raids
prisma crane
i just remember seeing the argus one, but yea, if you're the only warrior you should use insp pres for sure
drowsy geode
also only legos i have are Soul and Grand Army
prisma crane
technically a second one means you IP to each other which is nice, but not massive
bright lava
is vengeance better this week than booming voice for more trash damage to keep aggro?
prisma crane
always BV
you do more dmg to trash with BV
particularly if you have the belt
plus once you're on a boss, you lose a lot of vengeance benefit since SS spam during BC, as usual
and, because of that, if you are low on rage in aoe you can just SS still to get the rage to revenge again when it's up
languid rose
with revenge and thunderclap
turbid horizon
Unless you're playing shockingly bad and you do 0 dps you shouldn't have an issue with threat as long as you use dps cds and revenge/thunderclap
warlords challenge taunt everything works too
timid jay
Vengeance isnt close to BV when it comes to damage
Especially on AoE where you get so many free revenges
languid rose
so I get that sims aren't remotely perfect but any idea why using Gear Compare on raidbots gives me a -6.7% dps difference if I change NONE of my gear
it was giving weird results so I stuck in a duplicate that's identical to what i'm wearing
prisma crane
that's a huge difference, but idk, i guess it depends how it does each set of calcs
languid rose
it's happening consistently
undone sun
Gear sets or top gear, afaik gear sets doesbt have proper damage taken
languid rose
sets, can't do top gear with imaginary pieces unless i fake them in the simc
undone sun
Can copy the simc input at the bottom and paste it into advanced then place, single_actor_batch=0 at the end
Same thing for relics
Otherwise sims themselves work fine
Just a problem with gear compare
prisma crane
fucking Cosmo
i just noticed
you soaked 2 rent souls
I fucking wish lol
i think i had 21
languid rose
thanks, that got the others ones to where they should be
prisma crane
that was the plan for our first million wipes
but our dps was balls so
one day our 3rd tank was late, so we did a few pulls with 2
worked better than we thought, and ran with it
had him within 100 pulls or so of swapping to 2 tanks
my dps went way down in P1/2 too since we didnt lust at the start
delicate urchin
no one have micro lag some times and with that lag u cant do 5 ss in bc even with 30+ haste? or it is only depend on ethernet? i have it mostly right after charge, i use bc and have some ms when ss didnt work 🤔
prisma crane
i personally have not, but that would annoy me like crazy
obsidian siren
eh bois, is there somewhere where i can see the dmg debuff uptime on AHC?
delicate urchin
ye it is awefull, i need 35+ haste to 100% 5ss even with micro lagg 😩
obsidian siren
On Wlogs?
prisma crane
P1 Argus wipes, I'm having flashbacks....
cedar stream
obsidian siren
prisma crane
i hate that, no worries Panzer
prisma crane
you practically needed to do it on mythic if you didnt want the worlds longest fight with shitloads of aoe dmg on the raid
dmg is high enough now where it's less critical ,but you're only hurting yourself regardless, it's a massive dmg increase
15% dmg boost once maxed is huge
not to mention it actually does dmg to them as well
obsidian siren
yea, i'm just curious
haughty socket
Tank alt with question, do i use belt + BV or veng + gloves on raid boss tanking? Other leggie in both cases is wrists
stark sage
BV + hands
timid jay
Gloves is the strongest for ST
For AoE the belt will become stronger, and you play with BV regardless as soon as you get t21 2p
sick sentinel
BV with tier 21 is extremely powerful. During BC with tier 21 u generate over 150 rage because of dps gloves and u do a ton of dps
DS becomes more of a offensive CD, you should aim to use it as often as possible
haughty socket
Yes i have tier. Okay ill switch to BV. I like the playstyle of vengeance but those are good points
sick sentinel
use AM too
Vengance used to be good
in TOS
we dont have the Global CD for that anymore
haughty socket
Sorry what is AM?
sick sentinel
yes
haughty socket
Oh of course
sick sentinel
u get to use BC like every 20 seconds
make sure to have shield block up during BC
increases the damage of shield slam by 30%
and the 10% dmg increase from IP
haughty socket
Ive used AM all tier i need no convincing its ridiculous
My original question was about belt vs hands on ST tanking, but i didnt realize people were using BV even with hands
sick sentinel
i use Gloves and Belt for all encounters pretty much
few exceptions where i need extra surviability
Gloves and Bracers is what i use on heavy dmg fights
I also use Gloves and Walls fell, that lets me use shield wall so much
plus extra rage is always good
haughty socket
So basically always hands + something else lol
sick sentinel
pretty much
ever since i got gloves ive been in love with them
good option for ST dps is AHR
when used with last stand it becoems rly strong
timid jay
Only reason not to use gloves if its aoe and you need bracers healing
Where you'd go belt+bracers
sick sentinel
i dont see any fight in antorus where u need that
stark sage
or if you have high t20 and run the 6pc combo
junior ivy
i somehow got involved in selling a +15 omg i am not good enough for this
junior ivy
its upper kara though >.<
timid jay
Not the right channel for it
ember arrow
what a bunch of lowlives, like im talking about some murder i did
prisma crane
@junior ivy upper is one of the easiest keys to carry in if your carrier dps is strong
round hornet
jsut make sure ur carry kills themselvews first on medivh
and not with flame wreathe lol
round hornet
Lol
round hornet
I've def had that where the carry just didn't want to pug a shit grp just wanted a 15 for the week
sick sentinel
i did that once
prisma crane
yea, you actually see buyers like that more often than you'd expect
usually a competent player, but it's their 5th alt and they dont wanna waste time on it
prisma crane
idk, just to fuck around on
getting massive ilvl items weekly
my shaman is 965 and i barely play it
4p T21 and all
having good off pieces is nice
round hornet
Idk I have like 960+ alts of the different tanks
Sometimes pugging a 15 can be rly annoying
With finding ppl who aren't shit or if noones on
Like sitting for half an hour looking for a healer ain't fun
prisma crane
i realized a few days ago i forgot to run a key last wk on my shaman
my only alt
ffs
🤦
junior ivy
3 chested that upper kara carry 😄
and our carry died at the start of last boss lol
my first ever carry haha
prisma crane
welcome to making gold
junior ivy
yteah 25k for doing something i enjoy doing anyway !
and i really needed that gold
im happy
prisma crane
☝
junior ivy
now i need to control myself and not waste the entire 25k on something stupoid like transmog or toys
deft sapphire
What else is there to spend gold on
junior ivy
save up for a mount lol
but i'm not sure if there are any other mounts under 500k that i dont have
deft sapphire
Save up for the spider mount!
junior ivy
most gold ive ever had at once was 200k. spider mount seems unrealistic lol
wooden hull
just sell some heroic argus carries, super easy gold
spiral cipher
definitely glad i up'd my kaku's... my damage went up a ton :3
drowsy geode
when im reading logs as a tank (prot warrior in particular) what shoudl i be looking at? things like buff up time but with damage taken is there anything i should keep an eye out for?
warm plinth
% of blocked hits is important
IP uptime should be 80-85% or higher on most (if not all) fights
junior ivy
i cant believe how easy it is to make gold with carries.
deft sapphire
its nothing now
junior ivy
i am so rich right now
this is more gold than ive ever had
and its onlyt been 3 carries
deft sapphire
if you can carry people on the first week, when dungeons are pretty hard you can sell for more than 5x the amount you sell for haha
turbid horizon
What you carrying people in Cat
prisma crane
M+ 15s
warm plinth
cat going into a +15 two months ago "guys im scared" 😏
obsidian siren
😂
why do ppl still do this :(
https://i.gyazo.com/92bda8a30b5cccd4be4bf3f6aaedd294.png
warm plinth
:/
obsidian siren
"ermaged i have moar HP i'm so much moar resistant"
that actually sounds like our BDK 😂
round hornet
prolly does help the kind of ppl who macro everything together
obsidian siren
Oh
thks for reminding me to do a SS+berserk macro 😄
always forget it when i bring out ol T20
ember arrow
@obsidian siren its true on bdk though
obsidian siren
More HP means more dmg intake pool with no downsides for them
Plus, how can you play indom, it actually means CLICKING devastator... so boring
stark sage
clicking 
obsidian siren
Yeah, pressing, hitting, whatevs
Manually using it
Soz, i'm just assuming the "indom-HR"prototypical player, mouse-clicking, keyboard turning, with 3% SB uptime
Imagine if SotBL gave us indom tho, huhu ^^
obsidian siren
I'm thinking about the 20% extra IP
obsidian siren
Oo
turbid horizon
solo tank EVERYTHING
obsidian siren
god that'd be so great
north hawk
really quick question... does the relic trait 'Secure in the light' proc off the healing effect from legendary bracers?
(it's the trait that gives a chance of a 135k absorb shield on healing 'spells and abilities')
i have a choice between either that or Torment the weak, which is the shadow damage DoT
obsidian siren
what are the rank 3 options?
obsidian siren
also the healing from secure in the light is usually really marginal, it's usually considered for it's damaging potential
north hawk
well i mean either i was just considering if the absorb would proc
obsidian siren
either way bastion >>>> all
north hawk
as an extra 135k absorb to add to ignore pains would be a nice added bonus
ok, ill give the light a go and get bastion either way
obsidian siren
Lemme check, i think i used to have a Secure in the light relic
turbid horizon
take TTW get bastion
north hawk
shit lol
north hawk
fuck it it's only a 930 relic i was just wondering if the absorb would synergise with the bracers at all
turbid horizon
All the healing tier 2s are garbage bar shadowbind
north hawk
yeah
turbid horizon
and shadowbind is only good cos it does phat dps too
obsidian siren
shadowbind is like 3% of my healing....
Tier 2 healing is generally garbage, the only proper tier 2 defensive is Master of shadows
turbid horizon
I've got 2 shadowbinds and 1 TTW
stark sage
avoidance baby
turbid horizon
Damage bb
obsidian siren
Bastion bb? 😃
obsidian siren
shadowbind does do sick damage
especially absurd when it procs off a retard ability, like uhm, heroic throw?
north hawk
noone takes light speed for the 500 haste ever?
obsidian siren
I did, cuz....bastion ^^
turbid horizon
nah am all about that damage bb 6/7 ROTF 6/7 Bastion
need to get my 7th in both
hard to find relics
stark sage
but the prot dick measuring contest is how much foebreaker damage you can block
obsidian siren
yea but there's only 2 in a row :/
turbid horizon
Keladan got a point yea
obsidian siren
Well, never gotten my ass whopped by the mythic version, but HC is just SB / NF and cheerio, nah?
stark sage
pretty much
obsidian siren
Or just SB twice with good ol T19
clever sleet
@undone sun
undone sun
@clever sleet
clever sleet
👋
undone sun
👋
young star
So I love beefy boys and yet in wow I've never played a warrior. I would really only see myself playing prot spec as I love shields and what not so a few questions. How survivable are they and how viable for main tank and in pvp (2s3sbgseverything)?
clever sleet
Raids they are great for most if not all fights
young star
awesome, do you know how well they work in the different pvp types
turbid horizon
In PvP they can work as FC but a VDH will always be better
turbid horizon
Not enough self healing to be super good as FC either
young star
yeah i know tanks dont normally do well but i was told prot warrior is probably one of the better tanks if you did want to pvp
turbid horizon
I mean wpvp yea
young star
yeah i wouldnt fc as prot leave that to druids and blood dks and what not
clever sleet
Blood is also op in wpvp
doesn't mean you should do it
WHat no
dh is the FC
blood is poop in pvp
turbid horizon
VDH always fc
clever sleet
Movement op
turbid horizon
Idk why youd take anything else
clever sleet
blood is ♿
young star
i basically just want to use a tanky shield using character for about everything in the game without gimping my 2 and 3 partners
too bad
young star
so it seems i'd basically just get the hard dunkin if i tried doing prot in pvp
young star
can i wear same gear on say arms and prot or am i going to have to farm 2 sets of stuff
undone sun
The stats priorities are pretty close for all three
obsidian siren
Prot is maybe a bit more leaning towards haste than the DPS specs
clever sleet
@undone sun should i use 
obsidian siren
Pretty sure it's from the Arms channel :p
obsidian siren
Use it with the great storm's eye for max damage 😄
clever sleet
What is that?
obsidian siren
An arms legendary
clever sleet
ah
obsidian siren
Stacking dmg buff during rava
Could've been used in prot if the prot rava didnt do 30k DPS
clever sleet
true
undone sun
🤦
junior ivy
i was in a m+ and a guy said theres a MDI discord that has pics of every trash pull in every dungeon and says waht to pull
is that true
warm plinth
I mean, ask him for a link, go to it, and see
junior ivy
i forget his name now 😦
lol
he said hed show me after
but then we both left gfroup
warm plinth
I haven't heard of one personally but I'm not doing the MDI either so
junior ivy
and forgot
ember arrow
@clever sleet bdk is shit in wpvp
if someone grows a brain and starts kiting
when a bdk cant hit anything>>> rip his dmg and surv
clever sleet
obv
but who is
so no it is not shit
When i do pvp wq's they just gang up and i grip them so they die
warm plinth
WW with tumblerun brew = best WPVPer; impossible to kite :p
velvet brook
Hey! I'm jumping in as the third tank on Vari handling the necrotics. anyone have the best talent setup/leggos/tier? I have 4 930+ pieces of t20 in my bags, full t21, and all leggos
velvet brook
what would be the best dps setup then?
and i just spell reflect the necrotics, correct?
undone sun
Yup, pretty much just go for as much damage as you can
sick sentinel
just a year late but its ok
obsidian siren
gz boi 😃
sick sentinel
gz bro
clever sleet
i did pally when it was relevant at least
Just need monk and bear now
Not a bad skin either honestly
obsidian siren
Monk seems hard, is really easy
clever sleet
I just don't have gear on him or anything
he has been dormant since nh
same this guy
obsidian siren
xD
clever sleet
only started gearing this weke
obsidian siren
Did it on 920-ish bear with no loofas/eko, kinda hurt my butt
obsidian siren
xD
warm plinth
Monk meaning Brewmaster?
warm plinth
Oh. I did it at like 949 and 951 (I have three monks; don't judge) and facerolled it. You literally do P1 with Niuzao and then monks shrug off annihilates in P2 anyway
obsidian siren
Went in with 950 VDH, got hit by twisted reflection.... killed him anyway 😄
warm plinth
Yeah VDH was actually dumb lol
It took me 2 attempts only because I was looking at gf's screen and got knocked off by an eye 😂
warm plinth
Yeah prot pally is my only remaining one too; leveling an LFD one right now
outer fulcrum
What item level do you recommend for Prot Warrior doing MT challenge?
obsidian siren
TBH i did mage tower so long ago on prot.... I'd say 930 to be comfy? can be done with less but more tries
gz cat ^^
T21 2P is prolly a massive help on kruul, just for the sheer DPS gain
DPS really makes the encounter much more accessible
obsidian siren
VALARJAR
obsidian siren
you now get to bathe in mead and drink the blood of your enemies
or the other way around
young star
should i celebrate going from lock to warrior by ordering some mead irl ive never had it
obsidian siren
Mead and a roasted boar should be appropriate
young star
i have to kill the boar myself
guess im going boar hunting and ordering some mead tomorrow
but i think i'll just settle with mexican food and beer tonight
obsidian siren
Pretty sure that's exclusively what archim eats, so also prolly counts as warrior food xD
winged marsh
keep it up man 😄
junior ivy
i'm 21st best prot warrior on sargeras haha
winged marsh
beat my prot score on the server 😛
obsidian siren
nice work cat ^^
junior ivy
i dont see yours on the list
winged marsh
im way down
rofl
I've done 2 prot dungeons
741 on server 😛 https://raider.io/characters/us/sargeras/Furyslouch
I really wanna start learning prot so Im not screwed for keys when my tank cant make it
junior ivy
oh but your actual score is 4k wow
i thought you were prot, i forget dps use this discord too lol
timid jay
We are kind enough to borrow a few channels to the dps guys here 😉
winged marsh
thanks @timid jay ❤
you got some good scores on there man
start pushing into the 20-21 realm and youll fly through M+ score
winged marsh
best of luck 😄
undone sun
👀
timid jay
Good luck with that key, you'll need it
junior ivy
lmao
im just confused
theyre claiming to be really picky but said 'tank role is flexible thats why we invited you'
young star
good luck brother
junior ivy
theres no way this is actually happening
i just appliedfor the laughs and didnt expect to be invited
obsidian siren
just do it o/
winged marsh
yolo man
junior ivy
fell apart cause healer didnt think he'd have time to do it now before work since they couldnt get another good dps
oh well lol
rigid swan
I haven’t ever pushed passed 20 seat, can’t even imagine 27 🤢
modern holly
Is arcano great for prot? If you dont have problems staying alive in m+.
undone sun
It's more defensive than anything, and it's not bad
modern holly
what about using nightmare egg shell and fel oiled infernal machine?
undone sun
Defensively neither are good
offensively 
modern holly
Nah I meant offensively in general, I mainly play arms. Just curious if I had anything useful in my bags lying around for prot 😃
But thanks my guy
undone sun
Machine is decent for bursts but egg shell falls behind a bit
But you wont know for sure until you sim it 😉
modern holly
Yea I know, thanks alot 😉
clever sleet
@undone sun how good is nature's call?
undone sun
Not at all
clever sleet
kek
restive scroll
@junior ivy Which addon are you using to see who's in the group already? it's nice :)
restive scroll
I don't have this part, i'm gonna check the options see if i missed something, thank you
warm plinth
She's probably not gonna know which one does it anyway. She has like 190 addons 😂
warm plinth
I can't fathom why anyone needs that many
But hey, it's your game. Play how you want!
restive scroll
Depend on what you need ^^
granite basin
Gonna level a prot warrior. HM Tauren or Reg Tauren?
restive scroll
HM has better race trait i think
warm plinth
Doesn't really matter. HMT is very marginally better survival-wise but it's not going to be noticeable.
chrome falcon
can anyone think of any reason why a skaggldrynk would instantly cancel itself
we're pushing maw and every time i drink a pot it instantly cancels and we have to restart lol
restive scroll
bursting/any dot?
chrome falcon
no
apparently the bug is that if you have any pain whatsoever (i'm playing vdh) then you can't invis
competitive tournament btw 😃
restive scroll
You can use previous pot to cancel that i think
chrome falcon
can't get them on tournament realm
restive scroll
damn
undone sun
Ah yeah, it's been a problem with vengeance for a while
chrome falcon
time trials is such a garbage fire
just spend 10 hours pulling 4 stupid packs at once, get one shot by aoe you can barely see, until one pull it works
fucking horrible
restive scroll
What are you playing as?
restive scroll
Guess you're gonna have to indeed :/
chrome falcon
there's just no skill to time trials
it's just class stacking and banging your head against a wall until you get lucky
restive scroll
seems that way :/
jaunty aspen
Hi would you switch a haste mastery neck 945 with a vers mastery neck 985 + socket + avoidance if it means losing 6 percent haste?
delicate urchin
yes) for haste u maybe can lose 15ilvl, but 100% shure not 40+socet+avoidance
jaunty aspen
Ok its just i am reluctant the whole addon to lose any haste for whatever
Thx for the answer
delicate urchin
if u care dps, best way is sim
jaunty aspen
No only care for survival still progressing myth raid
delicate urchin
btw, i was say u can lose ~15ilvl for haste it is only for neck and rings, other slots ilvl almoste always win
jaunty aspen
Hmm currently i have 952 equiped if i ignore stats i could go to 972 but would also mean dropping t20 4 set and going 4 set t21
delicate urchin
for consistent dmg 4t20+2t21 win very much ilvl ye, but for some bosses when u need to survive big hits, it isnt realy help
i mean, some boses are good with legs legendary, there u have lock 4t20+2t21 and need to go highest ilvl
jaunty aspen
Hm was thinkin 4pc +2 pc is maximum survival mode
delicate urchin
like, varimathras, coven, argus, other bosses u can go 4t20+2t21 is is will be max surv most likely
undone sun
If you have decent titanforges, yes. Generally a 25 ilevel difference on individual pieces is enough to drop t20
jaunty aspen
T20 iss around 920-930 ish
delicate urchin
then if u can go to 972 from 952 it must be better
jaunty aspen
Thx gonna head off to building my new pc now 1080ti an 8700k@5ghz on water iss waiting to be used 😉
hasty dock
Should I still hunt for Tier 20 if im just starting to learn Prot? Fury warrior main around 955 Ilvl with 4tier21 trying to learn Prot for dunge
undone sun
It's not necessary nor are you really gimping yourself without it
obsidian siren
And you'd need substantially high T20, pain in the ass to farm
undone sun
960
hot light
hello i had a 2 questions about tanking
obsidian siren
Ask away
hot light
is there a haste cap im trying to reach? im starting to notice i can keep my shield block up all the time
obsidian siren
@quiet delta i'd use the 950 ones, especially for the avoidance, but if you feel like you need more HP, take the 985 ones
obsidian siren
You can with HR and high haste, but it's not actually desirable
warm plinth
If you can, it's probably because you're using the wrong talent tbh. Are you running Anger Management or Heavy Repercussions?
obsidian siren
AM is a much better talent
hot light
heavy repercussions is what im using now
warm plinth
Yeah no one really uses that. It's unnecessary to have 100% uptime on Shield Block for any content.
hot light
okay ty, ill switch to AM
mellow dove
for neck enchant we use claw?
warm plinth
AM grants you faster cooldowns on Battle Cry, Demoralizing Shout, Last Stand, and Shield Wall, which is far more useful than adding seconds to Shield Block and an extra 30% on SS
obsidian siren
640 avoidance on argus is prolly superior to ilevel
undone sun
Hide defensively, satyr for dps
mellow dove
ah
warm plinth
Half of claw's proc is basically wasted on us, since crit has very limited usefulness.
obsidian siren
Claw crit, yuck
mellow dove
yea tru
hot light
880 strength mastery stat stick or 930 riftworld codex?
obsidian siren
Codex
obsidian siren
And i'm not a fan of codex
warm plinth
Honestly only because of the vast ilevel difference though haha. Codex isn't that great for us.
obsidian siren
But it'll definitely give you more DPS and HPS than an 880 stat stick xD
warm plinth
If you get a 910 stat stick, I'd use that over codex personally
hot light
yeah which is a follow up question , which trinket should i be going after in the newest raid?
warm plinth
As long as it isn't crit
obsidian siren
Same
mellow dove
the trinket from coven is really good
warm plinth
Diima's, pantheon
obsidian siren
Diima's aegis, Apocalypse drive, Aggramar's conviction
or is it fortitude? Always mix up between trinket and its buff
hot light
thank you allot Negi
undone sun
Conviction
obsidian siren
Actually, is Apocalypse drive good for us? must be smothered by SB
warm plinth
It's situationally good
obsidian siren
Or to stick in a SB downtime window
warm plinth
Like most defensive trinkets
undone sun
Great for aggramar
undone sun
😏
quiet delta
apocalypse decent for argus too?
warm plinth
Doubtful, since you don't tank him for super long periods of time and the scythes are far more dangerous than his auto attacks
obsidian siren
Apocalypse is specifically for AAs
quiet delta
oh it says melee, and it doesn't count as melee but special ability I guess >.< rip
sorry but what is AAs?
undone sun
Auto attacks
obsidian siren
Does it work on taeschalach's reach when you're not actively tanking?
undone sun
Yes
One of the reasons it's so strong on agg, you don't need to be actively tanking for the CDR to occur either
obsidian siren
i need one o/
undone sun
Well, agg is the only one in antorus where the auto attacks cleave like that
quiet delta
is riftworld codex good for any boss at all btw? command maybe?
obsidian siren
Meh
quiet delta
or purely for m+ thrash
warm plinth
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's because TR acts like AAs on Agg or something
undone sun
Not on ST, it's more noteable on fights with consistent damage taken fights like hounds and imonar
obsidian siren
I hear ppl saying they love it on M+
undone sun
But even then there are much better options
It's more useful in aoe like keystone trash packs
warm plinth
I don't like it for warrior at all because it has a lot of overhealing for us
quiet delta
in AHC we constantly take dmg almost dont we
warm plinth
Since we spend a ton of time at really high health
quiet delta
in eonar we constant take dmg too but it is too little to be of any importance i guess
true
obsidian siren
Eonar tanking 😂
warm plinth
Yeah, or DH
quiet delta
also we hate crit so it is rip
i just have a 965 version with speed, i wish i could use more xd
warm plinth
We take very little damage on AHC
sick sentinel
Good time of the day. I've read the guide and has leveled protection warrior for the first time. Just did Argus LFR with 900 ilvl with no legendaries and felt like I was paper thin whenever I misused my shield block. Is it normal for prot. warriors to be so squishy?
undone sun
Very punishing, yes
quiet delta
but aggramars convinction is BIS for anythign?
or does it need a certain item lvl before it is bis
sick sentinel
Should I be trying to use Shield Block for the sweep, or just try to keep it up as much as I can in general?
obsidian siren
It's more "BIS" because of the damage increase for your raid
undone sun
Has a lot of main stat which is always nice, raid benefit is also pretty important
quiet delta
or is it also mostly good on aoe fights due to proccing from more dmg taken
mine is 965 now
obsidian siren
@sick sentinel Yes, SB is amazing mitigation for the scythe
quiet delta
are ppl still using darkmoon deck? or only on specific high physical dmg situations like bosses with high physical dmg abilities?
obsidian siren
Try to have it up for scythes mostly
undone sun
@sick sentinel SB is mostly used for important blockable abilities not for general uptime, you still want to block as much as you can while actively tanking but 100% uptime isn't necessarily the primary focus
stuck coral
Hi mate, what do you mean about the Amanthul's Vision? 😄
quiet delta
im wondering if DMDI + Fharg is the go to combo for physical reduction, or if armor begins to DR too much the more u get
sick sentinel
Got it, thanks for the answers!
obsidian siren
I think i still have some gearsets with DMD in it, but haven't used it in ages
I don't really see a fight in which DMD would be a far better option than others, mb aggramar?
deft sapphire
With the pure ilvl of current trinkets it’s not really worth using anymore
It had a good run though
obsidian siren
But pantheon+Apocalypse is prolly better
hot light
is icy veins good to follow for enchants and gems ?
warm plinth
Just use a 200 str gem and the rest of your gems/enchants haste (or str where haste isn't an option)
quiet delta
which combination would u guys use? the first/upper row legs+cloak or the lower row legs+cloak. the 975cape+960legs gives 0,62 ilvl more overall than the 965legs+960cloak combo, but the slightly lower ilvl has slightly better secondary stats combo.
obsidian siren
I see stats, i vote stats 😄
undone sun
Unless it's jewelry, 10+ ilevel always win
Unless it's tier as well but that's not the case here
quiet delta
top row gives me 28k more hp
obsidian siren
Isn't juggernaut cloak tier?
quiet delta
dont think about tier, cus in either way i will have 4set bonus, cus there is a tier in each combination
warm plinth
28k hp is literally irrelevant
quiet delta
it is juggernaut legs+ 975 cloak vs jugger cloak + 965 argus legs
I'm also using bottom
but i just wanted ur guys input since i saw that i have higher ilvl and hp with the upper row
deft sapphire
converting 1k crit into a useful stat is better than that minor primary imo
quiet delta
i guess the gem also kinda adds up for the slightly ilvl loss
warm plinth
I'd use the right two items since he said he has tier bonus either way
quiet delta
noo u missunderstand
i have to use 1 of the 2 tier pieces
to get 4 set
look at the options horizontally
(vertically is a no go^^)
warm plinth
Oh. I second mgll's opinion then.
warm plinth
Yeah
quiet delta
aight ty
obsidian siren
Why use that cloak enchant tho? ^^
quiet delta
cus I main fury 😃
and mastery is more than twice as good as str for me as fury
- the speed doesn't hurt nobody
so ye don't mind that ^^
mellow dove
with 4p t21, helm and legs are the ideal off piece right? for eonar helm and kakushan's?
dno what im supposed to be equipping with my gear. 😦 lol
obsidian siren
Yes, in theory, the 2 best offpieces are legs an helm (ideally eonar for helm and argus for legs), but if you're running kakushan's i'd tell you to pick up the tier head (less crit)
Or you could just go 2P and ilevel 😇
quiet delta
is leech strong for us or next to useless?
deft sapphire
its not very strong
obsidian siren
Also depends on your offpiece options at helm and legs
Leech is Meh, avoidance is sexy
quiet delta
i think my last question, which of these 3 ?
warm plinth
965s are fine. 960 if you want to be really anal about stats
deft sapphire
960 for sureeee
quiet delta
what about the 955, don't they just have dream stat combination? like high haste and then low mastery
the 960 have the lowest haste though which is by far our best stat?
warm plinth
Yeah but losing 10 ilevels on an armor piece for stats isn't a route you want to go
ilevel is still better than secondaries at that point
delicate urchin
why u recommend str gem, for me 970ilvl+ 30+ haste, haste sim higher 🤔
quiet delta
only 5 ilvl vs the 960 that ppl tell me to use
warm plinth
If haste sims higher, use haste
deft sapphire
i woudl use 960
warm plinth
It's a gem either way so it's not like it's a massive difference
quiet delta
bear in mind the 965 almost has 1k haste
deft sapphire
i dont really care about whether its haste/vers/mast
quiet delta
it has high haste and low crit though
deft sapphire
well i would use the 960
its pretty irrelevant which one you choose to use tbh
you wont notice it im sure
delicate urchin
sim it and go highest dps one 
mellow dove
https://i.gyazo.com/2020ee0b9322548bc31edbeae6ef02f5.png
with these 3 tier/off piece pairs, i'd want to drop the 940 tier helm for 965 eonar helm, right?
sry if thats a weird way to show them haha
mellow dove
yea seems good
switching to tank for my guild for the first time tomorrow lol
figuring things out last minute 😦
obsidian siren
Well you're in the right place to ask questions, what will you be tanking?
hasty sapphire
i have a question regarding Mythic Aggramar. Would you guys take a 980 Eye of Fharg or a 960 Apocalypse Drive for the fight? for overall better damage mitigation
warm plinth
F'harg. Apoc would have very limited usefulness for that fight due to low tanking uptime and most of the danger being from the scythes rather than auto attacks.
obsidian siren
Aggramar has no scythes 😃
mellow dove
our old tank quit so everything i guess?
starting at mythic imonar. (so probably just imonar kingaroth and vari until we reclear. we're only 7/11)
warm plinth
that's what I get for answering questions and questing at the same time. Don't mind me.
obsidian siren
Based on what Thyme said earlier, i'd say apocalypse?
undone sun
😏 apoc is good
eye is mostly subjective to what your options are
warm plinth
I need to sleep. 💤 Good night folks.
obsidian siren
Cheers
hasty sapphire
ok, i will take AD then, thx
obsidian siren
Meh, you guys are all farther than me, i should be the one asking for advice here 😃
mellow dove
haha
obsidian siren
The fuck 😂
timid jay
Wasn't that exciting, was hoping for something more elitist
Just some basic filters for who's allowed to whisper you
junior ivy
i wonder what requirement i didnt meet 😦
timid jay
It was just levels, and the rest were guild related
junior ivy
huh, msut be a guild thing then
well, his loss. now he doesnt get random compliments on his mount
and who doesnt love those?!
timid jay
Character level, friend list, people in same guild and people you've whispered
What mount was it?
timid jay
Oh, think a lot of people don't use it that have it
obsidian siren
I actually prefer the regular gul'dan one
timid jay
Same, but both are pretty ugly imo
obsidian siren
need for mah demo lock mog
could work out nicely with mythic ToS gear too
But it's biggest issue is the fact it doesn't fly
ionic berry
What is a good stat priorty for a Prot Damage Build?
obsidian siren
haste = mast i'd say
You still want a decent amount of haste for the BC window with T21
Lemme get you a screen of my dmg gear
quicker that way
Yes, i know, it's a normal log
soft lotus
Renewed Fury vs Best Served Cold... Is there any situtation where Best Served Cold wins?
sick sentinel
getting highest ilvl without sacreficing huge haste mastery and versatility @ionic berry
renewed fury will be better %10 damage and you can keep it %100 up
soft lotus
even in aoe with 5 targets, and not using IP at all (offtank-like situtation), so you can dump all rage into revenge?
bright mortar
Erm ? I'm pretty sure you'd be using IP anyway when off tanking to make sure you're not taking any dmgs
And Renewed Fury is a flat 10% increase
timid jay
Bsc can be really good in m+ with big pulls
Especially if you have a lot of revenge relics
sick sentinel
you would want to use IP anyway because one way or another you will cap rage
even if you are not tanking just with SS spam or thunderclap
you want CD reduction for DS and BC for more dps
timid jay
On larger aoe packs you'll get so many free revenges anyway that the rage cost is a moot point
sick sentinel
yeah im talking overall tho
obsidian siren
Yeah, using rage only in revenge will rage cap you
sick sentinel
if fight is 5 min long constant aoe with 4+ targets or even 3+ it can be better depending on your revenge relics as cosmo said
but there isnt any fights like that so getting %10 damage is better imo
timid jay
Teeming fortified m+ is the only time I use it
sick sentinel
i never used it for a long time
delicate urchin
lol, i just forgot this tal, but next week looks good for it realy
obsidian siren
What are the affixes next week?
delicate urchin
teeming forti
obsidian siren
Yummy MoS xD
timid jay
Ofc it depends a bit on what dungeon it is
NL I never run BSC in, so many pulls that are small even with teeming I dont see it being worth it
delicate urchin
lower kara 👌
obsidian siren
Yuck ><
As usual on fort weeks, upper kara i guess 🤷
Tho teeming makes some part annoying
obsidian siren
I usually run LK in DPS cuz our DK wants majordomos
rare spoke
fellow prot warriors 😁 how many stacks of deadly scythe can u tke before u die? 15th was the lethal 1 for me 👌
timid jay
Without saying difficultly it doesnt say much 😏
rare spoke
heroic
sick sentinel
after 10 stacks its bit luck with critical blocks
delicate urchin
last time i try it 15th was also last one for me XD but i feal it possible 17-18 but i dont think how
sick sentinel
i tanked 18 stacks max died at 19th if we are comparing sizes xd
obsidian siren
haven't been there in a while
obsidian siren
But the crit block build can prolly shine brightly in this kind of contest tho ^^
delicate urchin
18 is massive, cool
sick sentinel
yeah if you want to survive highest possible go %100 mastery build but not necessary
delicate urchin
with mastery build u mast have low haste, then maybe hard to get SB on each scyth
timid jay
You can always have you cotank take a few scythes to let your SB recharge if you're going for highest stacks
glacial sage
Having a cotank is over rated
rare spoke
i usually run with something like 64-68% mast. 30-35% haste
glacial sage
I'm around 40-50% mastery and 40-55% haste
obsidian siren
The fuck is that haste rating Oo
rare spoke
wow thas alot of haste 😂
delicate urchin
40-55 keep in mind it can be 40))
obsidian siren
i'm NEVER as high as 40 😂
sick sentinel
my max is 40 it feels good but i have to sacrifice 10 ilvl for it
delicate urchin
in speed set i got 49 or so
glacial sage
I can get up to like 56
sick sentinel
or i have to use arcano and amanthuls cough
obsidian siren
My speed set has 100% mast ^^'
delicate urchin
i mean in normal set it is hard to get 40+
timid jay
Aman'thul 👀
rare spoke
but dont u agree that the t21 p2 made the rotation so mutch more fun 👌 👌😂