The block/reflect spreadsheet is a testament to that
#protection
warm plinth
spiral cipher
some spells being blockable O_o
white valley
Oh is it true that warriors can spell reflect the force bomb in arcway?
spiral cipher
that spreadsheet is a godsend i didn't know about a lot of em
warm plinth
It works on the damage for the 50% reduction but it's still going to push you back
white valley
But does it actually reflect the damage?
warm plinth
No, unless it's a full reflect, it won't do damage
white valley
One of my mates was complaining about never out dpsing his prot warr on that fight
spiral cipher
no - only a full reflect will do that
white valley
Ok he's a liar
timid jay
Most dps meters dont show reflected damage
Since it doesnt show up as damage you did in combat log
warm plinth
Yeah I was gonna say, meters don't show reflected damage anyway so
spiral cipher
like for example - dark slash in MoS, or Sunder on nelths lair
or the molten strike thing dargul does
those are fully reflectable
warm plinth
If it did, no one would ever outDPS us on 2nd to last boss of Cathedral, or Shade, or maybe even Dargrul (not actually sure how much MC does)
warm plinth
Well actually arcane dps specs might beat us still on Shade if they took the advantage of the debuff
timid jay
Too bad thats fixed now
white valley
Btw atm my warrior is fury
warm plinth
What?! Is it?
white valley
Should i respec prot?
timid jay
Yeah, MDI made it happen
spiral cipher
awh man
warm plinth
Blizz why you take our fun 😦
timid jay
I mean it was kinda needed
spiral cipher
is it just shade that got changed for it?
spiral cipher
k
timid jay
You still SR the damage, the boss just doesnt get the debuff as well
spiral cipher
hahah to bad
timid jay
Not 100% that its fixed on live servers but I assume thats just a matter of time if it isnt yet
warm plinth
Idk, it was clearly needed for the MDI but I'd be surprised to learn that groups on live actually took advantage of it that often.
spiral cipher
i think only groups that actually pushed did tbh
warm plinth
Unless you already ran a prot warrior tank ofc
warm plinth
Yeah, I never got to experience the fun of it 😢
I think UK keys are actually extinct while logged in to my warrior
timid jay
Think I got a sub 30second kill on it on a ~19 key
warm plinth
lawl
spiral cipher
lol wat
timid jay
With a boomie and DH
warm plinth
That's amazing
timid jay
Now we get to enjoy only watching DK's in MDI
proven zenith
ok the ring does nothing to ignore pain
junior ivy
i just did a BRH a bit ago that improved my m+ score by exactly 1 point... 2603 to 2604
timid jay
Cool, good to know
junior ivy
this is a slow process
warm plinth
Even in the MDI like...if you had tyrannical UK, what would you run comp-wise? Because taking a warrior means you lack the tank immunity for Mana Devourer for the mana stacks so you have to have immunities elsewhere
So you could have DH and HPal I guess?
timid jay
Most dont run healers in UK
warm plinth
What? Really?
warm plinth
DK can have their leech from multiple sources, but god forbid our inspiring presence works on us amirite?
slow kindle
hey , just quick q- does rage reduction from soul ring counts or not for anger menagment ? is it still counted as full rage cost before reduction ?
white valley
The question still lives. Do i play fury or prot? Or just delete my warr
timid jay
It counts as full rage for bracers only
warm plinth
Anger Management counts rage at current cost
Only bracers take the full cost into account
timid jay
@white valley I mean play whatever spec you enjoy
white valley
I really dont enjoy fury atm
timid jay
Then dont play it
slow kindle
ok, thank you 😃
white valley
But fury is so op
warm plinth
I can't get into the warrior DPS specs personally. Prot is the only one I enjoy.
spiral cipher
"i don't enjoy fury" - you answered your own question O_o
warm plinth
They both feel super awkward to me
white valley
I play with a fdk mate. We fkn annihilate keys
warm plinth
But if you're not having fun, then why play it
white valley
Im having fun annihilating things
spiral cipher
at the end of the day - unless you're absolute bleeding edge progressing / pushing... just play what is fun ffor you
white valley
But the fury spec is just shite
What other classes are a good replacement for a warrior?
spiral cipher
depends on what you're looking for tbh
white valley
Ill miss the execute on bosses. I do enjoy execute phase
warm plinth
A spec that isn't shite I guess
spiral cipher
that's a super broad question
warm plinth
Shadow priests have an execute phase
white valley
Their execute phase is boring af. No fun in it, but shadow itself is a fun spec
I was thinking of rerolling shadow for a while now
Expecially now that blizz have fucked my dh over hard
warm plinth
How did Blizz fuck over DH?
spiral cipher
make surrender to madness great again
white valley
Literally only lego i dont have is my bis lego
warm plinth
In BfA, Surrender doesn't kill you anymore
white valley
Wait what
spiral cipher
that's boring
warm plinth
It drops you to 10% health
white valley
But its still fkn disgusting
spiral cipher
just world tour and m+ grind your brains out?
warm plinth
Wait, which legendary are you talking about?
warm plinth
Oh, meh
white valley
It is godmode in keys
spiral cipher
oh derp - essence forgot
warm plinth
It's fun but at my level of keys you don't do many pulls big enough to reset it after each cast
warm plinth
So it depends on what you typically do for keys
white valley
Atm i stun eye beam then consume my orbs and i only have a few sec left on eye beams
Without the head i can reduce the cd a fuckload
With the head id be able to spam it on 4 targets or higher
warm plinth
Idk, that's not what I observe in practice
warm plinth
Mmhm.
white valley
My stun reduces eye beam cd a fuck tonne
Maybe im just more lucky than you with orb procs
warm plinth
Could be. I actually hate demonic build with a passion. 🙃
white valley
I really enjoy it
Literally only reason i play havoc these days
Even before antorus id play demonic in keys cause i hate burst window reliant specs
timid jay
If you dislike burst window specs, then warrior isnt for you
warm plinth
But on ST, it is a burst window reliant spec
solemn kelp
Hi all
timid jay
👋
warm plinth
Your damage is during meta windows
Outside of that you're spamming Demon's Bite half the time
white valley
Youre playing dh wrong
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
I mean, that's what i do these days :p
warm plinth
If you don't get fury back or get orbs to gain fury, you kind of have to cast demon's bite
white valley
You do still have to cast it, but you never spam it
Your crit should be high enough your fury generation is good
Theres only minimal downtime after eyebeam annihilate spam that i demons bite
warm plinth
It takes more than one to get enough fury for a chaos strike/annihilate. I have 50% crit as havoc and still never seem to have fury. Idk. Like you said, maybe my luck is just shit.
warm plinth
I got lucky with gear (as havoc). But having 50% crit as vengeance is kinda overkill lol
white valley
Oh it is
warm plinth
Though I think in veng gear I'm down to like 42 now
white valley
My veng stats are weird af lemme go check em
white valley
Is crit good for prot?
warm plinth
Nope
timid jay
No
warm plinth
Worst stat by a long shot
white valley
Fuck me
timid jay
Its a joke
deft sapphire
Crit is the worst stat for pretty much everything
timid jay
Battle cry makes that for warriors
warm plinth
I don't have any crit
white valley
Yeah
warm plinth
I have the base crit and the crit from my artifact. That's it.
white valley
Im trying hard af to remove my crit but i just cant
warm plinth
I need to upgrade my necklace though. Been stuck with a 2200 haste 910 necklace forever now
timid jay
ilvl is still the best, so its a bit of luck involved
deft sapphire
Haste mastery and vers are all better than crit for defensive and offense
warm plinth
Only relinq ones I've pulled have been 915-920 crit heavy necklaces
white valley
35 crit 24 haste 21 mast 13 vers 19 dodge 18 parry. Those are my stats for my dps / tank hybrid havoc gear
final mist
When BC is on a 20 sec CD, kind of massively devalues Crit
warm plinth
Crit does, doesn't it?
warm plinth
We even get increased crit outside of BC (at least, on our biggest damage ability) with StB during shield block, which definitely doesn't help crit's case
warm plinth
Yeah, we were talking about VDH during that comment. They don't get str so they get parry from crit instead.
deft sapphire
Ah right. Well crit gives parry to us too it’s just not that great of a stat anyway
warm plinth
Yeah, it scales poorly on DH too honestly haha. I think most of their parry comes from artifact traits. I have 44% crit and pretty sure I still have less than 20% parry
white valley
I need to stop talking bout other specs and especially classes in these designated spec channels
warm plinth
I don't know all the ins and outs of that spec yet, if that wasn't clear :p
They usually don't throw a fit about going a little off-topic in here as long as prot-related things are addressed when they arise.
white valley
Thats actually quite fair
warm plinth
I still try to make an effort not to go too off-topic though XD
white valley
And then
warm plinth
I tend to go off on tangents a lot
white valley
A wild lear has appeared
warm plinth
I think I've seen you in another server. I recognize your profile gif
white valley
I often speak in raider
Could have just tabbed over there for some reason and seen my shiny
solemn kelp
Pulling Argus without him moving, sneak up on him from behind so he just rotates.
warm plinth
You sneaky devil you
white valley
Lawl
I fkn hate it when i walk too close to a mob and they turn to me and i shit myself
warm plinth
Just walk up behind him and goose him
white valley
Scares the fuck out of me
warm plinth
pinches Argus's butt cheek
solemn kelp
Seriously tho, can't use intercept, heroic leap means getting the exact point right, so how?
timid jay
Why do you need him to stand exactly still?
solemn kelp
It's one of my life's goals? 😄
warm plinth
Bucket list
solemn kelp
Bucket list sorta thing
warm plinth
Jinx
solemn kelp
Get outta my head!
timid jay
Leaping is probably the easiest way
white valley
Ok off topic again
warm plinth
Maybe get behind him, then leap/charge in mid air?
white valley
Should we advertise oceanic in m+ title for a fucking 12
12 are so damn low who tf cares bout 200ms
warm plinth
I always check the server of the leader tbh, but it depends on what toon I'm playing on.
I'll tank on OCE but I won't DPS or heal
white valley
I get triggered when people abuse me for not advertising we're on oceanic for <15
I understand over 15's cause they start getting hard then
warm plinth
Guess it's hard to hover over the listing to see the server of the lead?
warm plinth
Lol I was gonna say, there aren't even that many
Though I don't know if I have all of them memorized
warm plinth
Frostmourne, Barthilas, Caelaestrasz, Dath'Remar (I think), and I got nothing after that
spiral cipher
i honestly have no idea which servers are from where - I just go "Oh they're from that server...k....don't think they're an RP in goldshire server...idk...maybe they are."
white valley
Nagrand gundrak jubei thos
warm plinth
Honestly I avoid LA servers more than I avoid OCE
white valley
Dreadmaul
warm plinth
I avoid Quel'thalas and Ragnaros groups like the plague
spiral cipher
lol
warm plinth
I'll be honest, I think I've seen one dude from Jubei'thos but I've never seen anyone from the other ones you said
spiral cipher
Really? I pugged into a Ragnaros guild heroic antorus and it went really really smooth @warm plinth
spiral cipher
isn't that every pug? lol
white valley
90% of ragnaros / quel thalas are complete useless fuckers that should uninstall life
But the 10% that arent, are really really good
warm plinth
I did a really smooth 16 DHT with a full group of LA players because I didn't notice until we were at first boss
Eh, I've had pugs that had people die but we still timed it
That's probably most of them
Usually the person dies is the one from LA server 😂
the person that dies*
spiral cipher
lol
warm plinth
What's really shocking to me is when you look up the shitty player from Quel or Rag and they have like high M+ score, mythic raider, etc.
Tyrannical wouldn't scare me as much as skittish with an undergeared tank
spiral cipher
wait hold on wat? 898? xD
warm plinth
I have tanked 11s/12s around 900 ilevel on multiple tanks. Fortified is actually scarier most of the time. I made my gf tank a raging +12 at 901 on her warrior and she pulled the bridge pack in CoS and died instantly 😂
spiral cipher
better wait about 20 seconds per pull lol
warm plinth
I was like oh, I probably should've fel emittered you pre-pull on that one
white valley
Yeah fortified imo is much more punishing for tanks
warm plinth
Yeah there's some exceptions but fortified is worse if you undergear it imo
timid jay
Fortified teeming is the best week dude
white valley
Oh i fucking hate that week
white valley
I avoid fortified teeming explosive like the fkn pope
warm plinth
Otherwise known as the weeks the prot warrior tops the overall charts
And the DPS go wut
spiral cipher
lol cosmo - im a baby 949 equipped tank. not like you big 960+ guys
warm plinth
Idk I'm 949 and I'm usually #1 or #2 on overall in my PUGs XD
Though that's probably more the quality of DPS I get than my skill level
spiral cipher
but to be fair - I had to main my Rdruid for Antorus - but im back on the prot war cause our MT quit
so its like.... im sorry your tank quit but yay i'm finally on my war again
warm plinth
Yeah my VDH is the funnest toon I have right now. Warrior is still fun to me but it's a lot harder to get a group on
Not as geared and well, warrior doesn't have a stellar reputation
Thanks to the shit ones
warm plinth
BDK is what I play when I don't want to give a shit about the rest of the group's skill level
spiral cipher
tbh i don't regard myself as a goodd warrior tank - i have tons to learn and improve on imo -- But when a group says I done did good or im awesome - all the fuzzy warm feels
warm plinth
Lost count of how many +15 bosses I've soloed on that toon because the rest of the group died.
spiral cipher
lol World you need to teach my offtank da wae
timid jay
Ty 😎
warm plinth
I can't wait for my LFD pally to get 110. Gonna get those shit legendaries for my first ones 👌
white valley
My prot pally is stuck with the useless head and waist
spiral cipher
he gets smacked around a bit haha
warm plinth
Head is pretty good I thought? I can't remember the effects of the prot legendaries yet though
On which toon lol
spiral cipher
BDK lol
warm plinth
Oh, that spec is cake
spiral cipher
his prot pala was bad enough i made him switch when I didn't pull aggro by hitting a few buttons
timid jay
If HotP is the heal then yes
warm plinth
Yeah, that's a great M+ legendary
timid jay
Its just a extra charge
timid jay
Good stats though
warm plinth
Those are the two I want
Since I don't rai
raid
My horde pally got Aggramar's for his first, of course 😃
timid jay
Good go fast ♿
warm plinth
Yeah except my stats all suck so it's like a 10% movespeed increase lol
How exactly does that legendary work? Like on my war when I use BC I have like 108% crit, so is it 81% movespeed increase during BC?
Or is it rating*.75 then the speed rating is converted to %
deft sapphire
for mastery i believe it treats 400 mastery as if its like 1% for all specs
i may misremember that number
timid jay
Its somewhere around that
Mastery has the spec based modifiers for scaling
(Base mastery doesnt count either)
rocky tiger
So I'm having a fiddle with a huge mastery set - running 88% buffed atm with 4xt21. Reduced my incoming damage by 40% compared to 4xt20 + 2xt21 and I reckon I can credit it with our first argus heroic kill. Took 9 stacks to the face when the other tank died.
I'll miss the chain shield slams though
timid jay
The meme-build shouldnt really be needed at all
Its extremely unreliable until you reach 100% crit block chance anyway
zinc creek
People still use t20?
rocky tiger
Depends, I use it for M+
It's a good allrounder for trash and big cooldowns on tyrannical weeks
Just need a couple more big mastery pieces to get to that 100% in the other set though
I mean, I still died but dat block
ruby berry
Was that a second straight foe breaker? Seems like a lot of dmg
fleet galleon
Why would you miss chain shield slams? You have 2pc T21
rocky tiger
yeah, second straight foe breaker
ruby berry
kk 😃 Those ones are like Blow ALL THE COOLDOWNS!
rocky tiger
@fleet galleon it's not the same. Being able to drop 3x battle cry during hero was hilarious
junior ivy
im tanking garothi mythic and im scared help
timid jay
Its basically the same as normal/heroic for tanks
fleet galleon
Oh I see
junior ivy
what fi i cant run fast enough
ruby berry
As long as you are continually moving in a direction away from where you previously were, it will not hit you
if you stutter at all, it may hit you
junior ivy
im gonna panic
rocky tiger
speed boost helps
ruby berry
if you're gonna panic, then I'd suggest panicking and figuring out how not to.
rocky tiger
lol, wise words
warm plinth
No one can make you not panic.
rocky tiger
I'mma steal that
ruby berry
Exactly
warm plinth
You know the fight already; you've done it before
Just do the same thing you did last time
warm plinth
You'll be fine. Just don't stop running while you have the debuff on you
stark sage
use sr too
dark junco
Do warriors do well on M Imonar ?
Been told they didn't by my RL, so thats why I'd be benched on my warrior as a tank, they'd rather have a prot pally or a DK, to pop mines and all, not sure what to say
timid jay
prot paladin are probably the worst for bridge clearing outside of divine shield
SotR needs a target in range to wrok
Prot warriors are fine on that fight, best would probably be VDH for the ease they have of clearing bridge
dark junco
They divine shield with a Skystep
timid jay
You still get stacks from the mines so its a moot point
dark junco
Then thats why they die
timid jay
You immune what, 8 seconds out of the 30 second debuff
You can just have a BoP on any player and let them skystep
chilly hemlock
better use your BoP than bubble tbh
since it lasts 2 more seconds
as a prot pally they just need to survive the bridge run. if they reach the boss they're fine (as long as they play with leggo helm + righteous protector)
timid jay
👏
dark junco
Welp warrior is benched but they want my DK in
timid jay
🤔
dark junco
yeah
junior ivy
but now .... hounds.. omg
chilly hemlock
just get a brm/vdh tbh
junior ivy
help
timid jay
Hounds is the same as normal/heroic
Just more damage
Might be a tank swap in the middle depending on tactics
chilly hemlock
also involves slightly more boss positioning than heroic, since you have to deal with people dropping pools of fire
dark junco
I guess I might be looking for a new guild after tonight lol
junior ivy
hounds is like
nowhere near the same
as heroic
lol
it might as well be a different boss
chilly hemlock
🤔
timid jay
The fire on mythic is a fair point though
Forgot about that, been ages since I killed them
ember arrow
whats there to be confused about
ember arrow
u obviously watched vid on tacs
junior ivy
😦
ember arrow
and read the pinned guide
junior ivy
no but i did it successfully as dps
once
nm we are going to high command
ive never even seen high command on mythic
timid jay
For tanks, its the same as HC
junior ivy
thank god
timid jay
Just make sure you block all the expose weakness
junior ivy
kk i will
timid jay
(And dont step on mines)
junior ivy
first time i ever did high command heroic raid lead said "hill go step on a couple mines to clear them"
and i did, and took very little damage
so i put on speed boost and ran over like 8 mines at once
and we all died
ember arrow
AHC mythi is literally same as hc
timid jay
Its mostly raid damage
junior ivy
i didnt realize they put dot on everyone
ember arrow
no dmg boss
junior ivy
i hear theres bats
fleet galleon
But they aren't your problem so it's all good. Just more cleave for the dps
next goblet
with skittish, how do i handle that effectively? sorry i havent been tanking m+ on the warrior in a bit
timid jay
Nothing really special, just pop DS and BC on pull and go ham with revenge and TC
fleet galleon
Wish inspiring presence still gave healing threat. That used to help
timid jay
That threat was largely insignificant
undone sun
Best way to deal with skittish is to do more damage
junior ivy
skittish is the best affix there is
i forget its even a thing
i dont even really notice it
my cotank for this mythic high command has no gems or enchants 😦
sad.
next goblet
i've been tanking on a DK for a bit but wanted to come back to give the warrior some love lol
timid jay
Theres no trick to it for prot warriors
Just do the normal aoe rotation and you're golden
dusky mica
Funny thing about Antoran Mythic
It's easier than heroic because the new bomb mechanic is a cast
junior ivy
we wiped
dusky mica
during which time you take no damage
junior ivy
i died early on cause other tank didnt taunt
but i got bresed
i kept pulling aggro though
but i think we can do this
dusky mica
probably not if it's a pug
but for you it's no harder than heroic so you should be golden
junior ivy
😦
white valley
@timid jay Senpai how are warr tanks for skittish
white valley
Cool. Pugging 14 maw grabbed a 960 warr tank
Hope he does better than the 950 vdh that never pulled threat off my ele sham
dusky mica
anyone used this new tank dps sim?
undone sun
Yes
next goblet
at what point should i drop my 4p/2p
undone sun
25 ilevel difference on individual pieces is enough to drop t20
white valley
How does a 960 prot warr keep getting annihilated by a +14 ymiron?
He doesnt hit hard o.0
timid jay
🤔
white valley
And he just left
Died 3 times to dark slash that is straight after the adds
That was awkward as fuck
junior ivy
i caused a wipe by going in a pod 😦
ember arrow
hehe xd
undone sun
:ok_hand:
white valley
Reminds me of when a pug rl told me as a tank to do pods
Asked me why we wiped and kicked me 😦
white valley
Iirc
Person in the pod can shoot the bats
With 1
Can alternate between a boss and the bats
So neither drop below 15 stacks
junior ivy
finding it hard to position boss correctly
its like every pull theyre like nah lets try facing the boss this way or putting the boss here or pulling from this corner or pulling from here and it sjust confusing
where should the boss be for this phase
timid jay
Theres no "right" place to do it, most guilds do it in a different way. This is where we keep them though
pearl copper
What me and my guild did is keep within the lines of that left area, boss in the corner of the pod so potential bats can be cleaved next to it, while also keeping a snug, tight area where mines spawn so they are easy to clear later.
junior ivy
thanks for the screenshot cosmo
sinful vortex
do you 2 or 3 tank m argus?
round hornet
can do both
warm plinth
Unless you have giant balls like Krotos does
sinful vortex
im 3rd tank agg atm on my bdk, would it be better to bring my dk or warrior for m argus assuming im 3rd tanking
warriors better geared
round hornet
warriors are god like for scythes
BDK is harder to survive
gotta like rune tap really well
sinful vortex
so warrior would be better?
warm plinth
Warriors are better in most situations when the majority of the damage is blockable.
Imo
sinful vortex
our other tanks are bdk or guardian (idk which one hes using) and veng dh
assuming he brings his blood couldnt he just do that
deft sapphire
surviving scythes isn't an issue, esp if you are third tank
you are meant to die on the fifth regardless
the only thing warrior brings over blood is insp presence
sinful vortex
hm ok
timid jay
Not like you should need to take 5 scythes as the 3rd tank either
deft sapphire
if you wanna try warrior for orbs you can consider pants
warm plinth
I consider pants every day. It's fortunate for the world that I usually end up putting them on.
ba-dum-tiss
warm plinth
That's a funny word
sinful vortex
my only tank leggos for blood are sotd, cape, prydaz, aggramars
timid jay
Aggramars stide is very much recommended for 3rd tank if you have
Makes it a lot easier speeding around eating orbs
undone sun
Yup
warm plinth
Thyme's here o/
sinful vortex
prydaz/agg?
deft sapphire
sotd isnt too bad
warm plinth
You were offline and I thought you died
deft sapphire
since you have to run rune tap pretty much
timid jay
SotD would be handy if you need to take a few scythes
warm plinth
Nice! Did you go somewhere?
undone sun
San Diego
deft sapphire
if i did it i'd probs go aggramars + ahr/shoulders but i have all the bdk leggos
warm plinth
I've never been that far west. Hope you're having a good time
timid jay
Our bdk went SotD for soaking orbs in p2
But we used a different strat than the usual one
warm plinth
mgll are you prot main spec?
deft sapphire
no i'm dps
warm plinth
Oh okay. Have you killed M Argus yet?
deft sapphire
no i quit raiding during prog, our guild has killed it though
sinful vortex
f
warm plinth
Oh, gotcha.
deft sapphire
so i played an alt for the last boss of the expac!
its becoming a tradition now, arcane mage for archimonde, blood for aggramar
warm plinth
Haha, good stuff
I'm just gonna get 120 and gear up and go work on soloing it and call it progression
warm plinth
Yeah, these guys saying they spent 300 wipes on a boss and I'm like yeah fuuuuuuck that
deft sapphire
i was thinking of maining tank this expac since prot was so OP at the start of the expac but i only ended up tanking 1 boss on prog all expansion
warm plinth
Which boss did you tank?
deft sapphire
elerethe
warm plinth
Is that the spider in EN?
deft sapphire
yeah
warm plinth
I came back like a month or two before NH was released and accidentally got carried to AotC in EN 🤔
I was a feral druid doing like 170k DPS back then 😂
warm plinth
So are you in a mythic guild on Sargeras now or?
junior ivy
nah im still pugging with my usual rexxar pug lol
im just in a casual guild on sargeras
junior ivy
eventually, not in a rush to be in mythic guild. reight now just happy to be in an active guild
timid jay
Being in a active guild makes wow a lot more enjoyable
junior ivy
ive realized how much i LOVE tanking really low level keys for people to help them out too lol
timid jay
He didnt know it was me so I had to troll him a bit
junior ivy
63% that pull...
sick sentinel
wait what was ur full name?
timid jay
In twitch or ingame?
sick sentinel
ah, u the one who sai di parse bad
timid jay
And ML'ed the mount
timid jay
Went for the big boy bait
sick sentinel
im jealous
ima try for parse tomorrow
thinking of gloves and waist for maximum dps
sick sentinel
wow
timid jay
Argus hurt a lot less outside of scythes than I thought tbh
aggramar 4p did wonders though
timid jay
I can really recommend it for aggramar especially
Since his autos are basically the only dangerous part
timid jay
Its good there yeah
I mean its strong overall, aggramar is the big outlier for me though
Mainly because of how much he autos and it procs on the "cleave" attacks
prisma crane
yea 2 tanking can be rough
you want dps to help with soaking where you can
i think on our kill i had about 21 soul soaks
timid jay
Im actually impressed you did it with 2 tanks
Did you at least have a fast kill timer with double tanking?
prisma crane
it can be a bit rough
not reall
like 10:38 i think?
10:37
remember our dps isnt amazing
prisma crane
i mean super very end though
deft sapphire
@prisma crane @timid jay they definitely removed debuff on live too for medivh
dunno if anyone tested
undone sun
Shit
prisma crane
super gay
smoky oak
Which debuff?
timid jay
I mean you just need to remove the text
Increases arcane damage taken by 50% if channel is casted for full duration
undone sun
Still requires me to do it
undone sun
So much
junior ivy
49% now lol progresss
undone sun
Lol
deft sapphire
also in upper you can sr the kings aoe during chess
but it does no damage to him cause of his buff 😦
junior ivy
aw we lost our other tank. no more mythic high command for tonight
spiral cipher
so i picked up apocalpse drive tonight and I'm looking over the trinket breakdown... Should I only really use my pantheon trinket [aggramar's - NOT the legendary one] on fights like argus?
deft sapphire
you should use the pantheon trink on all fights
stuck mortar
just got my warrior some decent gear can anyone give me a quick rundown on talents for raiding I checked icy veins but it hasn't updated in awhile so i'm not sure if those are current
timid jay
Check the pinned guide in here
spiral cipher
the pinned stuff here is really really helpful Fox
stuck mortar
rip didnt check ty
spiral cipher
hm, looks like people aren't really using diima's outside of eonar on them logs. Lots of stat stickss 😮
timid jay
Its dps logs though
spiral cipher
True : / -- I kind of want to run the apoc drive for the haste cause im only at 29% -- I guess i'll just have to swap them around and see exactly how I like each one for what use.
deft sapphire
diimas isnt that rare
theres a quite a few of them
if you get a tf chrono shard/stat stick/memento thats probs your best bet tho
spiral cipher
Yeah im super jealous of that guys chrono shard lol
stark sage
finally got my tank pantheon, what ilvl does it beat the dps version
undone sun
For raid benefits, immidiatly
Dps benefits, sim it... I istikk expect the higher ilevel be the winner for a bit
stark sage
👌
warm plinth
Do we have an APL implemented in nightly build now?
deft sapphire
marok/sal did something
sturdy willow
fuck the tank pantheon trinket .... i mean what
warm plinth
"How to sim yourself for survivability: Don't" 😂
Awesome
I'll have to see what my scrub ass sims for when I get home
sturdy willow
especialy when it takes 14 weeks for u to get it....
warm plinth
Idk how my warrior gets gear so slowly compared to my DK or DH lol. They're up at 961 and 958 and my warrior is still 949 equipped, though tbf my LFR 2pc is definitely hurting the ilevel
spiral cipher
i just hit 951 tonight myself world
im now running 2p ToS / 2p Antorus due to ilvl differences :3
warm plinth
👌 I never went for the ToS tier. I have 4pc LFR and I tried it out to see how crazy it was, but I have no real reason to run it in anything relevant.
And I go down to like 943 equipped with that on
spiral cipher
eh, i was on 4p / 2p for awhile and it was pretty intense
casual shield wall pretty much whenever you wanted
warm plinth
The carpal tunnel is real
I actually would lose casts of BC just because I didn't realize it was already back up
spiral cipher
heh - cause im a scrub i had it macro'd to shield slam so i never missed it
deft sapphire
i just bound berserker rage to shield slam when i was using tos 4p
spiral cipher
yup - only time i take it off is on fel pups
warm plinth
Hahaha. That's funny
spiral cipher
so i can manually control it to always have for fears :3
warm plinth
I did a decent job of remembering to use BR. It was just hard to get used to Battle Cry being up so often. You'd blink and it'd be off CD in some situations lol
spiral cipher
especially on pull with lust O_o
warm plinth
Yep
Well I was using it in M+ with belt/sephuz for one run and that was pretty hysterical
spiral cipher
😮 that sounds pretty redic
warm plinth
Yeah I wasn't even global locked. I was "I can't press any more buttons in this time frame without doing a line of coke" locked
spiral cipher
i keep ripping off my OT as well... but then the MT who quit randomly showed up tonight and since he's 20 ilvl over me suddenly wasn't a problem anymore... though i was riding his ass in threat
: /
warm plinth
Idk how this happens :/ Like...growl>thrash>mangle. I don't understand the difficulty. It's literally the easiest tank spec in the game; how do you even play it wrong
spiral cipher
idk -shrugs- but man its annoying
our DK OT got one shot by vari tonight...that was...entertaining
warm plinth
lul
spiral cipher
maybe bad thrash rng? -shrugs-
warm plinth
Idk I haven't played my guardian in a bit but never lost aggro to a tank before
spiral cipher
ugh...i wanna do m+'s but...skittish >.> is annoying
warm plinth
I don't even notice skittish on my warrior
Just make sure you aren't going shield slam crazy on aoe. It's still okay to use TC/Revenge during BC windows as long as you don't need rage
spiral cipher
i was thinking - BC - TC / Rev - the other - and maybe nelths since its decent and still defensive if its a decently sized pull
warm plinth
Nelth's isn't going to help with threat much though. It does piss poor damage
I'd rather do like BC>TC>Revenge>Slam>TC>Revenge or something like that. Not sure exactly what I do but it's something along those lines
sick sentinel
whats this taunt thing tanks can do on mythic argus
warm plinth
If you taunt during cone or rage cast, you can delay uh...the thing whose name I can't remember
Sorry I'm totally drawing a blank; I can't think of the name of the thing it delays 😅
ruby sapphire
Can someone help me understand why I got one shot here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CDKtwrNRzWQXy79T#fight=32&type=auras&start=8357901&end=8362036&source=18
signal plover
woo m aggy down, on to argus
ruby sapphire
it never one shot me before?
round hornet
if ur not crit blocking you prolly wanna have something else as well besides sblock
ruby sapphire
but it was only the second scythe
round hornet
depends on ur stats like ur relics and stuff and the size of your ip
there was a spreadsheet hold on
make a copy and fill in your stats and stuff
wispy spire
should i sacrifice ilvl for 915 2 set piece
undone sun
T21? What's the ilevel difference?
wispy spire
t21 about 15 on each slot
warm plinth
Yeah I'd easily sacrifice 15 on each slot for 2-piece
undone sun
Yup
sick sentinel
2 p tier 21 is huge, it's a huge dps increase
spiral cipher
im sitting on 2p / 2p atm... thankfully my remaining two pieces of ToS gear were a 930 with socket and a 915 with socket...so i can hold onto em awhile longer.
spiral cipher
was pretty happy - picked up a 945 titanforge antorus helmet today. replaced my -cringe- 900 ToS tier helm
the upgrade was real :3
sick sentinel
Lol, what item level r u right now?
warm plinth
I don't feel like it's worth it unless your guild is already doing M ToS runs. Especially since it's only 2pc T20
spiral cipher
951 haha
sick sentinel
Damn pretty low
warm plinth
Do you have higher ilevel replacements for the T20 Sarnith?
spiral cipher
not yet
warm plinth
I was gonna say you could probably sim and see if it's worth holding on to if you did
spiral cipher
haven't had a cloak drop - and no gloves yet either
warm plinth
Oh, that's not gonna be shit then probably lol
sick sentinel
Damn u need to start grinding mythic plus and raids
warm plinth
2 best T20 slots you could possibly have
spiral cipher
yeah - i got into some M+ tonight after raid. Did a handful of 10's. nothin good yet, but the week is still young
warm plinth
You're losing out on gloves legendary though 😦
sick sentinel
Yeah
sick sentinel
I know the pain of no gloves
rotund token
What tier pieces are you guys running?
sick sentinel
Just got them recently tho 😃
spiral cipher
I don't have lege belt yet -- I have gloves tho
warm plinth
I'm using helm/chest iirc
sick sentinel
I use cloak and chest
warm plinth
T21
sick sentinel
T21
sick sentinel
I don't use LFR tier
spiral cipher
for tier - I'm using Cloak / Gloves T20, and Helm / Shoulders T21 -- hoping to drop shoulders for a diff piece if it rolls well
spiral cipher
cause i have 945, and 950 with socket in chest and legs
sick sentinel
4p tier 21 is good
rotund token
is 2/2 better?
warm plinth
I don't raid so LFR is my option
sick sentinel
Rip
rotund token
I mean for progression
sick sentinel
LFR is harder than normal and heroic
spiral cipher
Uhm, in my opinion 2/2 is better... but the ilvl difference will eventually kill it off
cause raw STR / Stam / Armor
spiral cipher
eh, have you looked at marok's breakdown of the value of the 4p t21?
sick sentinel
People there are so bad
warm plinth
The breakdown in the pins is not accurate
Because on the PTR, it only worked on existing IPs
On live it works on either existing or the next IP
warm plinth
4pc T21 is actually pretty good defensively
sick sentinel
It's strong
warm plinth
Especially since most of the time you're looking at higher ilevel too
sick sentinel
Rly strong, I will use tier 21 4 P once I get mythic Imonar pants
spiral cipher
Yeah I won't be atm - i rolled base ilvl norm chest and legs... and im using 945 / 950 nonset there atm haha
warm plinth
It's stronger in M+ just because you'll get the effect more often, but still solid on ST
spiral cipher
well ya on average, but its still limited to 1 proc / sec right
warm plinth
Yeah. ICD is 1 second
rotund token
I feel so much beefier with the 4pc though
spiral cipher
i figured it was on active IP - so thought it was super underwhelming
warm plinth
Boss swings are like 1.5-2 seconds so you lose a bit of the effect on a raid boss, but it's still worthwhile
spiral cipher
esp after reading maroks post
rotund token
dont know if thats the placebo effect though
warm plinth
Yeah, a lot of people were expecting it to be until that was discovered.
spiral cipher
kinda happy about it tbh
warm plinth
No, I've seen a couple of the mythic raiders in here talk about it; it's a noticeable difference defensively.
spiral cipher
thought i'd be rocking 2p T21 and all off tier unless it was well stat weighted
warm plinth
So it's not just you
spiral cipher
not a potato today - #feelsgoodman
warm plinth
lol
rotund token
Cause without tier, i feel like paper... with t21 2pc i felt... a little better with the larger shields, but i got 4pc yesterday and man... im feeling hot.
warm plinth
I'll never use 4pc probably unless I got lucky with LFR forges (unlikely since I don't really do LFR now that I have the 2pc)
What's the weekly quest this week? anyone know?
spiral cipher
well, for me to swap out tier pieces, I'd need them them to titanforge, or at least warforge + socket
rotund token
WQs
spiral cipher
i think its Wq
warm plinth
Boo
spiral cipher
might have been a mental thing? -shrugs-
spiral cipher
tbh, I just get happy when I have an OT that doesn't require me playing a game of Bejeweled so I don't pull aggro
well everyone starts somewhere - I'm no pro either man
warm plinth
I thought it was the mythic dungeon weekly this week 😢
spiral cipher
the dream
rotund token
i just raided so much on my boomkin this xpac and got burnt out. Dpsing on other classes feels disgusting. Tanking as a bear is too easy lol.
Warrior is challenging... and well... fucking warriors man.
spiral cipher
tanking on a war feels great tbh - actually feels like a real tank
rotund token
As a bear, you can literally hit 1-5 repetitively and tank just fine for mythic prog.
warm plinth
I don't mind simplicity but there isn't anything engaging about bear tanking this expansion. Blood DK tanking is pretty simple too but I still enjoy it.
rotund token
Only reason id consider blood is because its literally 50+% of every high mythic rating
warm plinth
Bears are just a meat shield with no real involvement other than hitting FR when the weak aura turns red :/
Blood just has fun mechanics. Grips are awesome, their self-sustainability is ridiculous, their group utility is pretty solid, and they have the 2nd best defensive CD in the game (imo) so you can do pretty cool things with them
spiral cipher
I just wish indom was worth taking - it feels so disgusting to log onto my Resto druid, swap specs, press bear form and have almost 13 mil hp in an offspec >.>
spiral cipher
yeh my resto druid is 953, but has no tank trinkets : /
but just kinda lulz at my warrior's hp -- but Ignore pain makes up the difference, and our block is amazing
rotund token
Lol hold on
warm plinth
I think I have a bit over 12 mil but it's been a while since I logged on to him
Bear health isn't even that incredible these days. That used to be one thing that made them stand out
But I mean, my DH and DK aren't far behind
spiral cipher
lol damn
warm plinth
Think my DK has 10.1 before Foul Bulwark and my DH is at like 10.4 or 10.5
rotund token
Then the warrior has a whoppin 7m
spiral cipher
yeah im sitting at 8.12 mil hp on my war atm
spiral cipher
ya
my off ring is the eonar one
still normal cause she won't drop it on heroic for me 😦
rotund token
Hit 942 Ilvl though and im feeling ready for heroic.
warm plinth
It's the one from Argus, vers/mast
spiral cipher
nice
warm plinth
Yeah I was pretty happy with that. I've been really lucky with the dungeon weekly so far this tier
Got a 955 felshield emitter on my MW
Think my DK has a 965 haste>vers neck from Antorus as well from the weekly
deft sapphire
@warm plinth what do you think is better than vamp blood
warm plinth
Metamorphosis
warm plinth
Yes it is, and the fact that it's basically on a 35 second CD makes it more ridiculous
I actually underutilize the shit out of VB on my DK
Like if I didn't use Red Thirst I probably wouldn't even notice; that's how little I use it x_x
deft sapphire
The cd is part of what makes it so op
There seems to have been this cdr thing going on this expac
Every cooldown has some reduction mechanic
warm plinth
Yeah, there's definitely a theme going on haha. Anger Management, Red Thirst, 4pc T21 for DH, the Ardent Defender trait for pallies (though that's static reduction; still a stupidly short CD for something that powerful though)
deft sapphire
Yeah and when you need it Druids have the ring and survival of the fittest which was a thing on a few fights
warm plinth
Oh yeah I forgot about that.
deft sapphire
Using survival instincts or shield wall doesn’t seem like a big cd anymore haha
warm plinth
Think Sco used it to solo tank scythes on Gul'dan actually
Yeah like our artifact is situationally way stronger than our major defensive cooldowns
It'll be interesting to see how next expansion unfolds. I think Legion is going to be one of the hardest expansions for me to say goodbye to though.
spiral cipher
Hey all - for this week should we be using a DPS trinket alongside our primary survivability trinket due to skittish and for more raw pushing power? Got invited by a guild I pugged into a raid with to do +15's and higher tomorrow so I'm tryin to put on my thinking cap.
[I'm already looking to watch some streamers do high keys]
grave grove
a trinket won't help with skittish
just be switched on, with bv/am you'll do enough dps to keep aggro
use the legendary belt if you have it
spiral cipher
sadly I don't yet - hopefully by end of the week though
I'm using bracer + walls fell at the moment... though I have gloves, prydaz, soul of battlelord [which we don't use anymore sadly since i just got it], and the rest are for my dps specs.
grave grove
twf is more of a single target legendary, try using gloves for general purpose
also consider whether you actually need the bracers - it's 100% survivability
spiral cipher
alright - I'm sitting at about 33% haste, 52% mastery, and 22% crit with 8% vers right now. I'm just worried about my threat since its skittish week to be honest. I'm not used to tanking during it
grave grove
just focus on doing as much damage as you can and you should be ok
spiral cipher
ok, thanks ^^ -- whelp off to watch some M+ streams / vods.
grave grove
good luck
unborn island
Also use warlords challenge,pop zerker rage and taunt everything for bonus threat
You do something like 4x threat during taunt
So it's basically negates the affix for 4 seconds
deft sapphire
its 3x threat, and sets you as the highest threat target
unborn island
ah okay - knew there was a modifier, thought it was 4x but the point stil stands imo
big boost 😃
primal crypt
Use the shivermaw/glaives combo
Works wonders
Also make sure you have a melee to intervene for additional mob control
slate obsidian
make sure to leap and charge to every new pack seconds before your DDs can eaven reach it to build a solid threat-cushion
ember arrow
omg i just noticed its skittish
been doing m+ all day on dk and was like "why the fk do mobs loose aggro sometimes"
on warr i didnt even realize it xd
verbal haven
@ember arrow I know right I was seeing the same thing happen with my DK/Warr
ember arrow
i jsut thought i waqs terrible (more than usual xddddd) on dk
but its a relief that its not the case
verbal haven
see thats the opposite for me DK tanking is always easier (atleast for me) and i was like "WTH is going on with my aggro" and one of the other guys pointed out the affixes
ember arrow
i am 946, we were doing +20
so i thought its cuz dd are 970
but ye they say skittish
ember arrow
on dk
junior ivy
thats still crazy
ember arrow
i mean, playing dk after always warr is ez
junior ivy
is warrior hardest tank to play good?
verbal haven
@junior ivy warrior just has a different tool kit that isnt as forgiving skill wise
junior ivy
actually levko i think i might be a good tank. i tanked mythic garothi for first time lst night (i dpsed it beofre)
and we one shotted.
every other week, same group, tis taken us like 5-10 pulls
ember arrow
gz!
junior ivy
normally we have a different warrior tank doing it
and he has an addon that types in /raid whenever he uses last stand
or shield wall
and i noticed him using big CDs often
ember arrow
me too
junior ivy
so i was really scared
i was so nervous to tank it
I DIDNT USE ANYTHING BUT SB AND IP
it was so easy
ember arrow
ofc it is
junior ivy
i didnt even need big CDs
verbal haven
@junior ivy alot of warrior tanks will use those CDs as a preemptive mitigation
junior ivy
i tanked antoran high command too but we did not kill it
closest we got was like 49% 😦
verbal haven
AHC is hard on mythic bro