protection

[ember arrow]

@quick garden they can want all they want

if u dont need it

then it doesnt matter

[undone sun]

Shares CD with other pots but most of the time it's worth it if you need to go fast

[ember arrow]

also how much def u go is up to u

not others

[junior ivy]

btw thyme i can never thank you enough for this bag addon lol

i love it so much

[ember arrow]

spunds more like a problem with them than tanking in general :P:

[quick garden]

my healers are just lazy af, can't imagin anytime at progressing where i could run without Mannoroths

[ember arrow]

what do u mean lazy?

so because they refuse to play their spec properly (edit)

u must potentialy handicap urself?

[quick garden]

staying afk on a spot and refuse to listen that i don´t need random externals

for example

[undone sun]

Lol np cat, marok got me into it in the first place

[junior ivy]

it keeps me so organized

[undone sun]

Very handy

[ember arrow]

on dk my char yells for example that purgatory is on cd

and when its used

have same for LS and SW

but in raids healers shud know their tanks

if in same guild

[quick garden]

should

[ember arrow]

this reminds me

some time ago, someone came here that their RL wants them to stop tanking because he overaggros other tank

same story, he had to paly sub-optimally cater to a boosted monkey

[brittle mirage]

hmm, how is revenge damage only a 5 dps increase https://i.imgur.com/d9EaLdU.png ?

[quick garden]

kind of remainds me of vartimas, where i had to stop my rotation because i did always overagro the other tank

[ember arrow]

sounds like u need people of ur level

to raid wit

@undone sun, is that sim legit? i thought simming was still not 100% accurate

[undone sun]

There's still going to be some margin of error

We have a working apl and rfdt is mostly fixed

[quick garden]

nah, the problem is that we have people who are gone for 2 weeks and then expacts to eazy clean everything

[undone sun]

Legendaries are inplemented correctly too

[ember arrow]

ahh, nice, mustve missed the advancement

[undone sun]

It's been in the making for a few weeks now, just pushed the announcement today

In the pins

[ember arrow]

oh i see

nice, gj

[compact geyser]

How does one maximize Damage from AHR?>

[undone sun]

Pop last stand to make sure the buff is active when you use AHR, then pop the shield

[compact geyser]

You have to be taking dmg though for it to do dmg correct?

this is exciting have a working sim to mess with

[round hornet]

iirc the reccomendation from dh disc was to pop it then sit down

[undone sun]

Yup

[round hornet]

so that what ur tanking does more damage

to give u full pops every time

[undone sun]

In the sim it pops in on CD with LS

[compact geyser]

That's hilarious (the sit down part)

Makes sense though for real.

[undone sun]

Turning your back and sitting also does help pop it

Don't block, etc.

[compact geyser]

Coolio. Thanks for the info

[quick garden]

so i have been watching some videos about tanking in BFA and its seams like tanking is going to be more "basic" looking at the rotation and mitiagtion.

[ember arrow]

yea

but thats what bfa chat is for

[ember arrow]

woo declined for 3 +15s on 957 dk alt

what is this

[sick sentinel]

🤤 my new beauty

actually i like the quote too

[prisma crane]

vermeidung, that avoidance? if so, nice!

[sick sentinel]

haha ..yeah it is

german stuff u know

[prisma crane]

sehr gut

[sick sentinel]

👍

korrekt

[prisma crane]

😄

[cinder nova]

@ember arrow That'd be me.

Also in regards to simming can we still use quick sim?

[prisma crane]

yes, use nightly build though

[cinder nova]

sure

[timid jay]

Not sure if quick sim uses any TMI bosses

Might be worth looking into if you want some RFDT

[cinder nova]

Hm.

This doesn't seem accurate. I'm no rocket scientist, but I KNOW I can easily do 1.3M DPS ST without lust.

But my sims show 1.165M

[timid jay]

Might be worth looking into if you want some RFDT```

[cinder nova]

May as well be speaking greek.

[timid jay]

You need a boss in the sim

[cinder nova]

A specific boss?

[timid jay]

Otherwise you dont get any damage taken, i.e. no rage from damage taken

[cinder nova]

Ah.

How does one "set a boss"

I have it set to 1 boss

But maybe that's not the option you're referring to.

[timid jay]

The easy way is to use a TMI boss

[cinder nova]

How does one do such a thing

[timid jay]

tmi_boss=evil_boss
tmi_boss_type=T20M

Would make a T20M boss

Cant remember if t21 was ever implemented

L, for LFR, N for normal and H for heroic

[cinder nova]

And where do I input this?

The APL?

[timid jay]

Prob need to go into advanced

havent used raidbots a lot

[cinder nova]

If I'm pasting directly from SimC where do you imagine it'd go? Advanced is just an empty field.

[timid jay]

If you go into advanced you input the normal copy from the SimC addon

just add the thing I had in after

[cinder nova]

Sure.

Doesn't look like raidbots uses TMI bosses

But I can see this being semi-accurate if I just sorta eyeball the DPS from RFDT

[timid jay]

It uses the default SimC settings and thats a fluffly pillow

Which you can imagine isnt set up to do a lot of damage to the player

[undone sun]

Yeh I've seen 1.7m with that boss setting

[timid jay]

You happen to know if t21 TMI are in?

[undone sun]

I don't, sal mentioned it before he made the post but idk if it's in

[primal crypt]

Warriors are in the time trials!

Hooray!

<3

So people are allowed to stack classes tgis MDI?

[hollow kite]

do we want a str gem or all haste?

[primal crypt]

I thought they were doing away with that

[merry cave]

Warriors in upper Kara only cos of medivh, and they nerfed the debuff being reflected so it's not even that good

But druids still allowed to run along walls in nl with passengers to skip trash 👌 👌 👌

Mdi balance is so poor lol

[cinder nova]

Does anyone know if this new simming method works for all tanks?

Or just warriors?

[undone sun]

elaborate

We were one of the last tanks to have working sins, if not the last
Veng has been iffy but mainly because of pfdt but that's mostly fixed now
Only tanks with resources generation based on damage taken should be using the new TMI boss

[crystal night]

@undone sun Do you know how much more DR you get from crit blocking?

vs reg blocking?

( noob question I know )

also any tips for tanking M agg? 😄

[undone sun]

Double normal block

Depends on how many bastion relics you have, with 7/7 it's 44% and 88%

[crystal night]

i have 7/7

Have you ever survived two foe breakers with artifact ability + Smoldering Titanguard on 2nd one?

[undone sun]

Most likely, NF is probably all that's needed

[cinder nova]

You can't titanguard and NF at the same time

Oh wait nevermind

Read that wrong

[undone sun]

Ah yeah, depending on tiranguard level

I've survived a second with Shield block and Pain Sup

[cinder nova]

Was it crit block on that or normal?

[crystal night]

mine is 945 ilvl Thyme

[cinder nova]

http://prntscr.com/ixto6r

This tier will never stop making me happy

[undone sun]

I don't remember

Was one of the prog wipes, too tedious to go find it now

[prisma crane]

only took 10 years

shit

11/11 woot

[undone sun]

Nice

[junior ivy]

@prisma crane did you just say 11/11

[prisma crane]

yup yup

[junior ivy]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[prisma crane]

thanks 😄

[junior ivy]

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[prisma crane]

only like 613 pulls later

[crystal night]

I keep ripping threat on agg fucking up swaps

[junior ivy]

CONGRATS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🍰 🍺 🍰 🍺 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crystal night]

should i just never batle cry during technique?

[junior ivy]

HOW ARE YOU NOT MORE EXCITED

I HOPE I MISSED THE EXCITEMENT BECAUSE YOURE NOT EXCITED ENOUGH.

[prisma crane]

lolol

im just happy the raid wk is over lol

but thanks!! 😄

im not the type that goes super crazy with stuff lol

[crystal night]

@prisma crane GRATS BROOO@@@@

[junior ivy]

YOU SHOULD GO SUPER CRAZY ITS CUTTING EDGE

[prisma crane]

thanks Storm!

[junior ivy]

im so happy for you lol must be such a good feeling to finalyl do it

[crystal night]

Am I allowed to post me stream in here for others to watch and critique?

https://www.twitch.tv/scottadin54

[cinder nova]

Post streams in the stream channel ay

#promotion

If you want critique you should probably hand the folks here logs to comb through

[lone umbra]

955 diima's or 960 dog eye for mythic kin'garoth?

I'm leaning towards dog eye to switch to stam/vers when things might get hectic

progression

[cinder nova]

Diimas

Damage is so trivial during M Kin

May as well use the frost damage to help push damage tbh

That's more of a healer/positioning fight

[sage sphinx]

Can anyone look at my logs and tell me what I can do to improve?

[lone umbra]

there have been a few pulls where I'm tanking 2 adds + boss

our dps is kinda low

[sage sphinx]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/mikeyxx

Please tell me where my inefficiencies are in my logs

[cinder nova]

Your cotank should be tanking some of that.

[sage sphinx]

Are my logs atrocious?

[undone sun]

Tbqh they aren't good

[vast sedge]

OOF

[junior ivy]

gotta love HoV tyrannical lol

[merry cave]

Jeez

Could try using the hyrja side.swap

[warm plinth]

👋

[cinder nova]

Jesus I'm always getting fucking railed on Imonar.

Is there any magic trick to it?

[warm plinth]

Beg him to stop touching you there

[cinder nova]

Yeah apparent-fucking-ly.

Always slow to get back to him on the 2 and 4 bridges

So he's got like 20 stacks going into it

Hurts so bad

[warm plinth]

Ouch

[junior ivy]

whats hyrja side swap

[warm plinth]

A tactic that'll probably be really hard to execute as a clicker that basically makes her get her stacks on the wrong side (so she gets holy empowerment on storm side and storm empowerment on holy side)

[junior ivy]

huh how

[warm plinth]

There are some videos on youtube of people doing it. I'm not entirely clear on how to do it but I've heard people both praise and critique it.

[sick sentinel]

dal;dhw;hwar

wrika

P[OHJWPOFJ

FUCK YEAH MYTHIC AGG DOWN

[junior ivy]

GRATSSS

!

and worldcrusher we are about to 2 heal it lol

[sick sentinel]

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

[junior ivy]

grats grats grats krook! so much mythic progress tonight in here 😄

[sick sentinel]

i got taelasch too

[warm plinth]

Nice!

[junior ivy]

we got a resto druid and disc priest now healing this hryja fight

[warm plinth]

You can go ahead and hand that to me

[cinder nova]

Meanwhile my guild spent an hour and a half wiping to imo even though we cleared him

[merry cave]

You start on holy side and as she's casting the first ability you immediately leap to storm side. If you click you probably got no hope tho sorry. It's gotta be done fast

[junior ivy]

i could try it

lol

we are desperate

well lemme try this 2 healer strat first

[warm plinth]

It's not worth trying at that point tbh

You're what, 5 mins on timer?

Idk where you find these groups willing to spend 2 hours in a dungeon lol.

[merry cave]

Dps should probably be wearing prydaz and defensive shit for hyrja as well if there not significantly out gearing the key

Selfish dps = lost keys

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm a little confused by the 2 healer thing. Usually the problem on high keys is people getting 1-shot. Not sure where a healer would help there

[merry cave]

Probably asking too much for a pug tho

[warm plinth]

If no one is getting 1-shot, you should be able to just 2-man her with the healer as long as they can eat the spells every time

Actually pretty sure the tank gets hit with them too if you're the only two people

[junior ivy]

we 2 healed it, it worked

😄

[warm plinth]

Wow lol

[warm plinth]

Well it's all downhill from there

Why did you change your name?

[junior ivy]

I DIDNT TELL YOU

IM ON SARGERAS

REALM TRANSFER

[undone sun]

New realm

[warm plinth]

Oh

[junior ivy]

yeh hill wasnt available

[warm plinth]

That's a bummer

[junior ivy]

yeh im so glad to be on sargeras though

cant believe i thought i might regret it

[warm plinth]

Why did you transfer?

[junior ivy]

was tired of being on dead realm 😦

in ghost town guild

[warm plinth]

Ah, that's a good reason

[sick sentinel]

what do you guys use for scythes on m argus

can you just hsield block first two

[undone sun]

For the first two phases, usually yes

Scythe 1: SBlock + DS
Scythe 2: SBlock + SW
Scythe 3: SBlock + LS and DS
Scythe 4: NF
Scythe 5: Die

For p3

[sick sentinel]

thanks

[merry cave]

Is it worth pushing 100% mast for argus (or 90 and t19) ??

[undone sun]

If you can get it, sure it makes handleing scythes very trivial

[ancient ore]

are they getting rid of insparing presence

[undone sun]

Yes in BFA

[ancient ore]

do you have any idea what they gona replace it with?

[merry cave]

I'm at 93% with no belt lol just in case we get to argus. Although kinda hard in one night guild still gotta kill a few more first

[undone sun]

Still NYI in that talent row last I checked

Hopefully it's the bracers effect

Revitalizing rage

[merry cave]

God I wish that was being made baseline

[sick sentinel]

dont we all

[undone sun]

Still a possibility, likely too

[blissful whale]

Hey

i saw something in the guide about arcano being hard to assess for defensive purposes

[deft sapphire]

Hi there

[blissful whale]

Is there any idea for how it performs overall?

or just sim?

[undone sun]

Defensively it provides a lot of stats

Good for general use but definitely better options still

Offensively it's lacking main stat so doesn't usually perform well

Can now sim it to make sure, my 910 never outperformed most of my trinkets

[blissful whale]

feelsbadman

[deft sapphire]

It’s ok, but if I had a heroic diimas for example I would basically always prefer that to arcano

[sick sentinel]

whats yalls sim dps

[undone sun]

1.4 I think

I've seen 1.7 with the new TMI boss

[junior ivy]

can we sim now?

[undone sun]

Yeah, pins 😉

[junior ivy]

does this mean i should be doing 1.1 mil dps without CDs or buffs or whatever?

like without flasks, food

[undone sun]

That's with buffs but no, not necessarily

Sims are what can be achieved both perfect play and no latency

[junior ivy]

i do around that dps on bosses with flask and food and rune

so it seems somewhat accurate

well, if thetres hero

theres*

without hero i do more like 950k

but good to know we can sim now

[white valley]

Doing heroic antorus with a undergeared prot warr and he is worried about pk. What hits less for a prot warr? The actual boss, or the minibosses?

[undone sun]

I've only ever been up in the portals once and I was heroic, didn't seen that threatening

Likely boss hits harder because of dot

[white valley]

Thats what i was thinking

Ill send him up to every portal as im currently on my vdh and can take a fuck tonne of boss stacks and not realise theyre on me

[merry cave]

It's heroic unless he's like 900ilvl or not used to using cooldowns he will be fine doing anything

[white valley]

He's 912

[sick sentinel]

912 is rly low

[white valley]

Been doing fine so far

[sick sentinel]

PK hits pretty hard

Healers are keeping him alive

As a blood dk or Druid u can do heroic at 900 perfectly fine

Because they are so strong

[white valley]

He's averaging like 500k hps

[sick sentinel]

Inspiring presence

[white valley]

Ahh

[sick sentinel]

It's like 50% of his healing

And 500k for warrior standards isn't much

[white valley]

41.5% for hc

[sick sentinel]

If possible u should replace him and get a more quality pug

[white valley]

Yeah he's really undergeared

Nah ill just take the brunt of it. I can take a fuck tonne of damage

[blissful whale]

i did hc on my warrior at 900 also though

[white valley]

He knows mechanics. Thats makes him better than nearly every pug youll find

[sick sentinel]

High command does no damage

[white valley]

Yeah hc is stupid

[blissful whale]

but if you're pugging it's not necessarily going to work out that way

[sick sentinel]

Good luck, I would just replace. You'll find higher gear players who know what they are doing

[white valley]

Nearly every 960 pug tank ive done heroic with doesnt even know what their base defensive is

And not done over 2/11 heroic

[sick sentinel]

I don't know about

[white valley]

Im on american region, so that doesnt help

You can get to 960 ilvl so damn easy its pathetic

[sick sentinel]

I play US and I find good players always

With high item level

For pug standards that is

But they know what they are doing

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

sometimes argus walks right away after doin cone of death

sometimes he casts

[undone sun]

Isn't it fun

[sick sentinel]

walking away seems to work some times

[ember arrow]

on hyrja u need

Vampiric aura

as warr u must intercep2 2 ppl

then get fukd by the dmg

[round hornet]

@white valley look before u invite pugs than...

[white valley]

Yeah : /

I normally only check raider.io

But i gotta start looking up wcl too

Like for example. This guy looks good enough to do 8+'s. But he cant pull over 700k dps
https://raider.io/characters/us/tol-barad/Bruttallian

[jade socket]

looking up people for 8s

yikes

[ember arrow]

D:

[white valley]

Nah i was in his 17 upper that 1 chested

[full spruce]

Well guild died 2 weeks ago after no one showed to M imonar. All the free time got the rest of tank leggos for remaining 5 tanks minus Monk shoulders. For kicked started an alliance warrior on sarg cause I know warrior the best. Bracers/gloves/class ring right away. Now if I can get legs/belt I’ll be set. 1 day and change played. Still only 1pc LFR teir. 7 tank life

[white valley]

He finished the key with 600k dps

He only died twice

700k boss dps and 600k overall dps is what id expect from people progging in to m+8

[deft sapphire]

How does that work

You do more dps on trash than bosses

[white valley]

Apparently frost do not

This guy was simply legit bad

Like, now that i actually look at his dps parses on wcl, i see... But raider.io doesnt display bad wcl parses

[warm plinth]

Why in the world do you need 700k boss DPS on a +8

I've done 15s in time with 700k boss DPS lol

[white valley]

Tyrannical or fortified?

I can only see it possible to do m+15 fortified bosses with 3x 700k dps

This season that is.

[warm plinth]

Not all doing 700k but I've completed both 15 tyrannical and fortified with all 3 DPS at 700-950k

[white valley]

3x 950k you can easily do 15 tyrannicals

But alot of bosses have a soft dps check that 700k across all 3 wont cut

[copper cedar]

Hm, 965 revenge/mastery/tc relic vs 970 revenge/haste/armor relic. I guess it is very close

[warm plinth]

I'd choose based on whether you want the avoidance

[copper cedar]

yeah, that avoidance is nice actually

I have 2x mastery t2 and 1x item with avoidance, so 15.36% avoidance in my default gear

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's pretty great

[copper cedar]

armor t3 + 5 ilvl should be a bit better base survivability, but the 500 avoidance are more difficult to come by and to consider

[warm plinth]

Yeah, and is actually useful in a lot of situations, albeit not necessarily required

[copper cedar]

yeah

as I said, I expected it to be very close

damn, was so happy to get that new relic :X

[deft sapphire]

i would 100% take the rev/mos/tc

[copper cedar]

for the avoidance?

[deft sapphire]

yeah avoidance is really good, and i like dps haha

[copper cedar]

as do I...

Was actually hoping for a block trait on that one

cant have everything

well, goodbye 970 iron relic :/

[deft sapphire]

fury and arms 😄

[copper cedar]

nah, got better ones there already

[halcyon sentinel]

Hellooo

[ember arrow]

yo

[halcyon sentinel]

I wanted to know if anyone has some suggestion about Weakauras to check your Shield black timer

andd...

Well Ignore pain is easy enough

[junior ivy]

i got one thats just stacked bars showing timers for all your CDs

[halcyon sentinel]

I just cant find a good Prot warrior weak aura that I like

[junior ivy]

https://wago.io/HkB3Na4EW

i use a slightl;y modified version of this

ive added a few more CDs to it

[halcyon sentinel]

Dude, that some good shit

is it easy to make it bigger?

[junior ivy]

very

[halcyon sentinel]

I like my bars to be big

[junior ivy]

its super easy to configure

i SUCK at weakauras and i changed the texture of the bars, the colours, added new CDs and resized it

[halcyon sentinel]

Thank you cat, friend.

[junior ivy]

youre welcome

[molten radish]

What's the trick to popping mines during bridge phase if mythic imonar?

Of

They destroy me at max health

[signal plover]

Red or green

[molten radish]

Red

[signal plover]

Do u have a bop available?

[molten radish]

Yeah but we use to clear bridge two and 4

I'm talking 1 and 3

[signal plover]

1 and 3 are green mines...

[molten radish]

Oh green then

[signal plover]

One stack is simple, 2 u need decent IP, 3 and above all need SR and externals

[molten radish]

Ah got it

[signal plover]

Don't really need tanks to pop more than that but heavily depends on what your cotank is

[molten radish]

He's bear

He pops 6...

[signal plover]

Raid members without grenades can and should help there as well

[molten radish]

Alright will tell team

[signal plover]

Hunters rogues pallies are good there

[molten radish]

Any tips on 2nd platform?

When red mines come out and you get the stacks

To clear them

[signal plover]

Depends on strat. We went to one side and never had to clear minea

[molten radish]

...fuck

[signal plover]

Started away from bridge and moved along edge

[molten radish]

They're making me clear with 2 boss debuffs too

[signal plover]

Stack has to be tight but it leaves enough room for 4th

[molten radish]

And he's usually at 18 stacks

[signal plover]

Bears for physical are silly so don't worry about what he can do.

[molten radish]

Aight

[signal plover]

There's a lot of viable strats for that fight so raid leads need to find what works for your comp.

[undone sun]

The mines do act as a bleed though, so it bypasses armor

[signal plover]

It's also viable to 6 heal the fight

[round hornet]

Don't take too many in a row

Each green one makes the next do more damages

Can let the debuff drop after a couple stacks

Before doing another

[signal plover]

As long as raid is helping to clear yeah

Which rly they should be

[round hornet]

Doing it solo as a war doesn't make sense can't really be getting rage well without ssing the boss

[signal plover]

Yeah u can save a DS for a quick IP but the 3rd stack and up rly stings the peenis

[prisma crane]

oh man oh man

5th all stars!

[sick sentinel]

gz!!

[prisma crane]

shit dmg on Argus, but i'll take it lol

@signal plover perfect visual for the 3rd stack btw

👌 lol

[undone sun]

😡 I'm no longer in the top 10

[prisma crane]

oh no! i just noticed 😦

[signal plover]

It's nature dmg so the sting is real

[sick sentinel]

waow im at 92

[signal plover]

Mfw no pts for agg cuz I gotta play grippyboi

[prisma crane]

nice!

[sick sentinel]

😆

[prisma crane]

doesnt matter anyways, they took Agg off all stars

[signal plover]

O rite

Oooo baby

[prisma crane]

yea, and ofc Eonar, a fight i was killin' it on

[sick sentinel]

i finally figured out how to parse well on eonar last week

[signal plover]

That one I knew about. Forgot about agg tho

[sick sentinel]

and where to go to maximze the cheddar

[prisma crane]

it was more recent

yea, i was doing great on Eonar, but now there's guys just doing insane dmg on it

[signal plover]

Now I can play my grippyboi in peace

[prisma crane]

^

[turbid horizon]

FINALLY

[prisma crane]

i refuse to make one

grats man!

[round hornet]

nice

[prisma crane]

and a WF one too 😄

[turbid horizon]

yea

every week I bonus roll for it and I've never gotten it

[prisma crane]

it took me forever, but i got a 975 so im happy lol

literally coined on heroic and mythic every wk since wk 1

well, mythic obv not wk 1, but wk one for my mythic and on as well lol

[sick sentinel]

my OT has a 975 with socket

im mad jelly

i wonder if there will be any nerfs to agg/argus soon

ive noticed that theres 17 BDK's whove killed agg on mythic whereas theres only 3 prot wars

[prisma crane]

on your server?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[prisma crane]

because i can name more than 3 warriors on this discord alone

ahh, yea

well Agg basically requires 2 BDK

[sick sentinel]

we did it with 1

[prisma crane]

so ur already stacking numbers

its def doable with 1, but 2 makes it so much easier

[sick sentinel]

i can only imagine

[prisma crane]

and idk if anyone has ever done it with none

which is horrible design by blizz imo

[signal plover]

One blood dk usually means there's a dps dk in group too

[sick sentinel]

yeah we have a dps dk too

[signal plover]

Double grip is key

[sick sentinel]

he doesnt do much gripping though

maybe to readjust if one is out of line

[signal plover]

Ya it's def doable

[sick sentinel]

just did a search on wcl and theres no guilds whove killed agg with only 2 tanks

[round hornet]

no point in making the fight suck even more

lol

[prisma crane]

you could probably do it with double BDK, but they'd have to be solo tanking him when actively tanking to get grips right so idk if that makes any sense

[round hornet]

even if you had 2 bdk maintanks, still need to run out to massgrip

[prisma crane]

i suppose you could have a prot warr solo tank while BDK does everything else

[round hornet]

which from watching my bdk cotanks health doesnt look so fun lol

[prisma crane]

Cosmo you do that

[timid jay]

?

[prisma crane]

well

[timid jay]

What did I do now

[prisma crane]

i guess just the technique

[timid jay]

😅

[prisma crane]

tank almost all of it

[timid jay]

Yeah I take double foe breaker and a flame rend on mythic

[prisma crane]

and Thyme, dont you take him the whole time? or is there at least someone else next to you

[timid jay]

Oh you got argus down

[undone sun]

Yeah

[timid jay]

Gratz mate

Also, I can see myself and krotos in top 10 prot warriors

But where is Thyme

🤔

[shut summit]

smh

[undone sun]

I take all the stacks, and cotank is next to me but he handles to grips and combos

Yeah Cosmo, I got dropped

[timid jay]

I'm barely hanging on

[undone sun]

Lol

I was falling off this last weekend, I hVent raided this week so I dropped hard

[shut summit]

we only done agg/argus past like 6 weeks, cozen quit raidin, surprised we aint dropped more

[undone sun]

Lol

[timid jay]

Prob gonna only do agg /argus starting next week

[shut summit]

only 11 more mounts to go 😰

[timid jay]

We havent even managed to kill argus again

😎

[shut summit]

😬

[undone sun]

Half of my raid doesn't even want the mount

Unlikely we'll go just just to get mounts

[round hornet]

sell mounts for gold

[undone sun]

Pretty much

Still going to be a bit before we can comfortably sell

[timid jay]

Most people who want the mount are mount collectors in my guild

It just looks bad that mount

[sick sentinel]

i want it

[undone sun]

Exactly why I want it
I don't want to farm this next expac

[sick sentinel]

it looks dope

my guild leader doesnt want to extend to progress on argus and just says we should reclear every week. thoughts? says people would get burned out easier ifw e just keep extending on argus

we have no problems with reclears btw, everything dies in 1 pull

[timid jay]

How many days do you raid?

[sick sentinel]

3

10 hour raid week

[timid jay]

If you have the aggrmar skip might as well extend imo

[sick sentinel]

only just got agg down last night

[prisma crane]

rekilling aggramar is the only reason ppl extend

he's a pain in the ass

[round hornet]

do you guys actually really need stuff from the first few bosses? or just looking for random 985s? XD

[timid jay]

We took more pulls to kill imonar this week than agg

[prisma crane]

need better parses

[timid jay]

FeelsBadMan

[prisma crane]

that's why we do old shit

[round hornet]

my parses now are lower @prisma crane because adds instnatly die LOL

[sick sentinel]

i think skipping to imonar would be better than starting on the front end

[round hornet]

cant pad on AHC adds or PK adds anymore

[undone sun]

I love the TF system, just look at my gear... It's worth reclearing

[prisma crane]

so glad i tried your technique of staying in on Garothi @shut summit was way easier than i thought

[undone sun]

We didn't extend till the week of the kill

[timid jay]

What are you equipped now?

[undone sun]

Rekilled enough to get the skip

981 in my st DPS gear

[prisma crane]

jesus christ

[undone sun]

Averages 978

[prisma crane]

i never get any fucking TF gear

[round hornet]

thats insane lol

[prisma crane]

955 legs

[undone sun]

Granted AHR and conviction boosts it a lot

[prisma crane]

M+ for neck and ring and boots

[undone sun]

But I do have some boosted gear

[prisma crane]

base tier cloak and chest

[timid jay]

Imagine being 981 equipped and not in top 10

😏

[undone sun]

Kms right

[shut summit]

😂

[prisma crane]

some food for thought, i have zero dmg T2 traits

fucking hell i wish i had shadowbind 3x

[stark sage]

whats max equip ilvl anyways

like 990?

[prisma crane]

993 i think

max weapon is like 1014 right?

[undone sun]

Think so

1006 weapon here

[prisma crane]

im getting 989.625

but i could be wrong

[west kayak]

Im 971 and haven't stepped a foot in Mythic ABT. 😃

[prisma crane]

(12x985 + 3x1000 + 1014) / 16

either way, im like 972-973

[stark sage]

do weapons count as one or slots

[prisma crane]

oh yea hmmm

[timid jay]

they count as 2 afaik

[stark sage]

cuz 991.059

if 2 slots

[prisma crane]

yea, sounds right

just wonder how it works for ppl with 2H, since in the past that used to make total slots 15

[sick sentinel]

Necrotic week is over but i still wonder does leech still have an effect there

[prisma crane]

so it would pull averages up, but now that weapons can be higher than base it pulls them down

leech should still go through it

[ember arrow]

no

[undone sun]

Long gone

[prisma crane]

ah, nvm then

been forever since i've had leech so idk lol

[sick sentinel]

yeah right i thought so. but wasnt sure anymore

[timid jay]

Was removed late NH iirc

[prisma crane]

tich trinket, built for that cheese

fang or w/e it was called

i remember i used it briefly on the mage tower, wasnt impressed

[undone sun]

Yeh

[sick sentinel]

Whats the techniue for staying in on garothi

Technique

[shut summit]

step towards wall when its about to start landing

will knock you towards boss / straight up if you get angle right

[undone sun]

Did it this last week, then my cotank spellwarded me on the last set

[sick sentinel]

Got any videos of you doin it?

[west kayak]

^ You could end up with a video that will haunt you for life if you dont specify...

[prisma crane]

dont even need a spellward

since you're still able to hit him no matter how high you go, you have IP rolling the whole time

[long phoenix]

tips for Mythic aggramar?

[prisma crane]

and SR lasts nearly the full duration

[undone sun]

It wasn't my intention to get spell ward, I was using AHR

[prisma crane]

the art is getting yourself to go straight up

ahhh, RIP lol

that's a good idea though....

[undone sun]

Easiest way to pop it

Actually a lot easier to pop it on most bosses than I thought

[timid jay]

@long phoenix Unless you're doing some strange strat its really straight forward for prot warriors

Basically just SB is enough to survive the foe breaker

[long phoenix]

right on, i'm the 3rd tank so i was just wondering if i had to pop our artifact ability during foebreaker or just SB would be enough

[timid jay]

Why would the 3rd tank take foe breaker

And why is a warrior 3rd tank

[long phoenix]

me and another tank tanking boss and another blood dk for add managment

i don't make the strats i just do it

[round hornet]

just weird to call a maintank the 3rd tank 😃

[long phoenix]

tru might have mispoken when i said that

[sick sentinel]

use your artifact ability for every foe breaker

itll be up every time you have to take it

[long phoenix]

awesome i was pretty sure that was the case but just wanted to be 100%

[timid jay]

Just the 3rd tank throwing me off

The DK would be the 3rd tank in that case(as it should be)

[signal plover]

Guys easy with the labeling it's 2018 k

[undone sun]

[sick sentinel]

Yeah for Aggramar third tank is usually a blood dk doing grip job

[signal plover]

If he wants to be 3rd tank and take foe breaker let him

[sick sentinel]

3rd tank taking foe breaker? That's unnecessary

[jovial steeple]

Just killed Mythic Aggramar 2 days ago, onto Argus tonight. Will be main tanking him as Prot and I am scared shitless. Any tips other than re-roll BrM? 😅

[timid jay]

Its really easy as prot warrior

[round hornet]

u can block the scythes

so like don't forget to press one of the buttons that make u block

[sick sentinel]

Prot is strong on argus

[round hornet]

😃

[sick sentinel]

Just make sure to have shield block up for every scythe

[undone sun]

Ez

[round hornet]

theres t hat funky 100% crit block build as well if you wanna make it even easier

[undone sun]

Scythe 1: SBlock + DS
Scythe 2: SBlock + SW
Scythe 3: SBlock + LS and DS
Scythe 4: NF
Scythe 5: Die
Phase three planning

[timid jay]

You really dont need SW for 2nd

[sick sentinel]

Shield wall maybe for 3rd

Could do that if u want to be safe though

[jovial steeple]

Does Aggramars trinket have a good window during p3 scythes?

[undone sun]

Mostly just to make it safe

It's what I used for CD rotation

[smoky snow]

ima noob, AM = Anger Mangement?

[proper pecan]

why does simc do less dps the i do on dummy?

[round hornet]

simc is a range

should be thousands of iterations

iirc the target in simc is also a raid boss

dunno if your hittin that one as well

[timid jay]

Default is a fluffy pillow iirc

[proper pecan]

or i should forget bout number and just use for gear comparing?

[round hornet]

what do you mean by number

as in you are just looking at mean?

[proper pecan]

i mean, should we look at dps value form simc as a serious number or not ?(sorry for my eng)

[stark sage]

where you hitting a dummy for 5 minutes

[round hornet]

My results aren't too different from actual gameplay it seems

[proper pecan]

oh

got it

[round hornet]

Simc results should have a graph of dps tho over all the iterations

To get a decent idea of range of dps

[stark sage]

also some of the dummies in skyhold are too close and you wind up cleaving them

[proper pecan]

does raidbots include hero?

[stark sage]

it should

pots food hero

the whole shebang

[round hornet]

You can see in your simc results page

What buffs and stuff it had

Should be able to anyways been a minute since I cared about simming

[turbid horizon]

Why people using legs on mythic vari

[timid jay]

For the extra spell reflect

I dont realy see the need for it since you can just cycle LS and SR but its there nonetheless

[final mist]

^

Legs on Vari is bitchboye build

[timid jay]

Its good, but total overkill imo

[sick sentinel]

I from experience wish I had legs for Vari, It was most stressful experience I had in awhile. I had to use a near 50% haste build to be able to have shield wall or last stand up for every shadow strike...

Next time I do mythic Vari I will hopefully have the pants so I can be more relaxed

[round hornet]

Ye I use pants and ahr because it's ezpz

Don't even have to think

[proper pecan]

u no need pants for vari, i used full dps build and got 100% pars on fk🤔

sr\ls\sr\sw\sr etc etc

all fight is a joke

[sick sentinel]

just makes it ez

can still parse well with pants

I will use gloves and pants next time

I used walls fell and Thundergod with a near 50% haste build and got an 87 dps parse

@proper pecan what was ur full dps build?

Gloves and AHR?

[prisma crane]

or gloves and belt or gloves and insignia if T2 traits are on point

[proper pecan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/12856911/17#difficulty=5&class=Warrior&spec=Protection&metric=dps&boss=2069

gloves belt, haste stick and kazz( )

[prisma crane]

i'm gonna have to try that

havent improved in ages on a few of the older fights

[sick sentinel]

I am tempted to try Gloves and Kil'Jaden trinket

[proper pecan]

the one that reduce SW cd?

[sick sentinel]

I try that

I used it for Kin'Garoth

Got a 90 parse

Prob could do better

Wonder if Thundergod would be better dps option for single target

[prisma crane]

well Vari does have a slight amount of 2 target

but you gotta time that Tclap perfect lol

[proper pecan]

i believe belt is still best option for st

[deft sapphire]

90% of dps logs use belt as the second legendary

I’m not a believer in ahr at all

[sick sentinel]

AHR when used with last stand becomes rly powerful

[proper pecan]

seems like not as powerfull as betl + too high chance it wont be cracked properly

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, belt is more reliable

[deft sapphire]

You have to try to make it get consumed on some fights for sure

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, I'll prob use thunder God and gloves. But I sim higher with Kil'Jaden trinket

[prisma crane]

if AHR worked before IP it could be ok

but it's shit because you can't break it

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

Kil'Jadens seems like good option for fights like mythic HC

[deft sapphire]

Kj trinket id only consider for like eonar

If aoe is any more sustained than that belt gloves would be the way to go

[analog swift]

if you have the beacon that's probs better than kj's

[restive scroll]

Did they removed the application of the arcanne debuff on medivh? Just getting out of a upper 21, on which i didn't see any damage improvement

[prisma crane]

no

[sick sentinel]

AOE is much more sustained on eonar

the AOE only happens when the general summons the 3 adds

[restive scroll]

can't see it on my details, and the DH dps seemed pretty low with good supposedely stacks

But i guess i miss saw, thank you Krotos

[prisma crane]

no worries 😃

[deft sapphire]

They removed it on the tournament realm for mdi

Wouldn’t be surprised if that change goes live

[prisma crane]

that's so shit

it really only helps warriors

and we're shit tanks for M+ as it is

[deft sapphire]

Blizz thought someone might play warrior for this dungeon, better nerf it

[prisma crane]

^

[deft sapphire]

It’s ok they can go with a bdk and 4 ww monks though that’s cool

[restive scroll]

Obviously

I'll try again tomorrow, but the change seems to be on live too..

[prisma crane]

seriously, i dont get that

it literally only fucks us

[restive scroll]

@deft sapphire Do you have a source by any chance? I can't find any

[prisma crane]

the least represented tanks

[restive scroll]

It's insanely strong

[prisma crane]

yea, for ONE of 13 instances

on one boss

[restive scroll]

You know, like the blood DK everywhere else

And we're not bad enough

[prisma crane]

and we suck for mana worm

[restive scroll]

yeup

[prisma crane]

fuck you blizzard if this is true

might as well delete the original tanks lol

(melodrama)

[sage jewel]

Sorry if Im interrupting, trying to get some input for a pretty important choice:

So Im trying to decide which race to go with, I was thinking Draeni or Panda. I would go lightforged, but Im going to level one of those for the heritage armour next week, when I finally get the rep up for the lightforged. So what would uyou ladies and gents suggest? Boost a Draeni Warrior, or a Pandaren Warrior on Horde/Alliance?

[timid jay]

Tbf that was broken

[restive scroll]

Just like the 20% leech with 1/3 uptime in 5man.

[timid jay]

Like People were doing 5m+ DPS thanks to that

I mean sure grip and leech are op, but that was crazy on that boss

I do understand why they did it

[restive scroll]

Nerf the application of the debuff to something lower, ok, why not, but remove it...

Mass grip is more gadget, you can play arround without anyway, but leech is more insane.

[sick sentinel]

go with whatever race you like visually

[restive scroll]

Btw, the leech of the DK is very strong for medivh too, for the phases

It's a lot safer

[prisma crane]

thing is, it's one boss

DK can immune a full set of the orbs

on worm

grip adds on last platform of last boss

afaik they have like a dmg cheese on curator as well

[round hornet]

stand in poop for blood mirror I guess?

[prisma crane]

yea in the puddles

[deft sapphire]

I think it was reasonable tbh

It just seems bad cause prot is so much worse than bdk and vdh

[prisma crane]

i mean, we're worse than pallies and druids too in most cases

[deft sapphire]

Well I have a very negative opinion about Druid tanks, but I agree with paladins

[astral crystal]

Druids don’t get a lot of love in m+ at least

Not guardian anyway

Resto is king heals

[restive scroll]

It's resonable for Mdi purpose, since they can just stack class, and spam. It's a lot less for live with little compos that usually don't get much use out of it

[prisma crane]

that's where i stand at least on it

[restive scroll]

Guardian lack the magic defense they removed, so yes, sadly. I stopped mine after 18+ keys

[prisma crane]

but still, how about they remove mass grip from MDI

or group leech

but they wont

[restive scroll]

It's a mecanic, you can't remove it entirely

[deft sapphire]

yeah i think guardian might be the worst tank for pushign tbh

[prisma crane]

they effectively removed our SR

[deft sapphire]

no

it still does the damage

[restive scroll]

Don't know about monk, but i do to

[prisma crane]

i know it still reflects dmg

[deft sapphire]

which is insane

[prisma crane]

but it doesnt ramp up either now

[deft sapphire]

and it requires no defensive or healing on the tank

sr is still 10x better than what any other tank has on the fight

[prisma crane]

and again, thats one fight

in one instance

[restive scroll]

Nop , BDK's leech is great too

For safer pull

(for live stuff, pugs, not MDI things ofc)

[deft sapphire]

warrior is also the highest dps tank on maw first boss and coen 4th boss probably

but its not really dps thats holding warrior back anyway

[prisma crane]

it's utility, which is what they just removed from medivh, in a way

[hasty sapphire]

980 Eye of Fharg (4348 Str) or Cradle of Anguish (3050 Str - 1320 Haste) better for DPS ST?

[prisma crane]

CoEN 3rd boss you mean?

[restive scroll]

No one is arguing that it's not justified in some way, just that it's way too much

[deft sapphire]

o yeah third boss

you reflect like 15m damage every cast

[prisma crane]

i'd use 980

[restive scroll]

22M in 22keys fortified, from what i remember

[prisma crane]

also, in the 23 CoEN i did on tyrannical it was like 41m

[deft sapphire]

o

[prisma crane]

it's like 3-4% of his hp per reflect

24 tyrannical*

[restive scroll]

(complaining about this doesn't mean we don't think that other class such as drood should be up too btw. If they put back the magic defense on them, i'd play mine again)

[prisma crane]

Druids have raids at least

We're of course solid in ABT

but vastly underappreciated

[deft sapphire]

well that part depends more on the player anyway

[restive scroll]

Meh. When everywhere you look everyone asks for BDK/VDH, even if you have a good score, it's still annoying

Plus, people have no idea what you can do, so they ask stuff that those tanks can do

[sick sentinel]

when does the tecntacle on helya do its reflectable ability. right when it pops out to be attacked?

i cant remember

[deft sapphire]

just sr as soon as you taunt the tentacle

and itll reflect

[indigo patio]

Whats the best combine between belt, hands and wrist in your opinion guys?

[restive scroll]

All 3, depending on the situation

[deft sapphire]

if u are worried about survivability use bracers

otherwise gloves/belt

[indigo patio]

Hands+wrist overall is a good choice for raids for example?

and wrist+belt for M+?

[spiral cipher]

I use bracer plus either ring (walls) , belt, or gloves. I just picked up soul of the battlelord and am interested in perhaps using it

[deft sapphire]

for surv yeah @indigo patio

soul of the battlelord sucks if you have t21 2p

[indigo patio]

Alright, thank you ^^.

[spiral cipher]

Ah ya I have the 2p. Rip vengeance forever

I just really enjoyed weaving playstyle ^^ the walls fell letting me use shield wall a lot more often in conjunction with AM is awesome tho

[chrome falcon]

#8 upper kara run on EU lads PogChamp

[deft sapphire]

how many monks

[chrome falcon]

1

prot/rdruid/frostmage/ww/ret

19 minutes exactly

and that was with 2 deaths and a slow chess

think we could shave ~30 seconds off it

[obsidian siren]

Hey bois, what's the M imonar enrage timer?

[sick sentinel]

u wont hit it

[winged marsh]

its 8 minutes I think?

so long as you dont monkey the bridge its pretty irrelevant ye

[round hornet]

even if you do hit it, he doesnt do that much damage

[sick sentinel]

if u can get past 4th bridge walk instant kill

[obsidian siren]

we can't get past 2nd bridge --'

[sick sentinel]

boss doesnt rly do much, its just the bridge which is difficult

oh you got a long way to go

[obsidian siren]

feels like every time we come back it gets worse

[sick sentinel]

how do you clear bridge?

[winged marsh]

how are you trying to handle the bridge

[round hornet]

if u watch methods video from months ago you can see the tank survives even with enrage.

[sick sentinel]

the way we did it, We would all group up and our dh tank would get BOP and run through everything on 2nd and 4th bridge

for 1 and 3 bridge DH tank and I would be popping the stuns plus green bombs

we cleared 1/3 of bridge on right hand side

[obsidian siren]

we do that

[sick sentinel]

make sure to have your healers coordinate CD's because that tank will cause a ton of damage

[obsidian siren]

but my healers are like "oh no one whole bridge is too much"

[sick sentinel]

once the way is clear go through a lock portal and move as a team

[jade socket]

Uhhh he will actually wreck you during enrage

[obsidian siren]

blah blah blah

[jade socket]

He only survived because he’s a monk

And it was only for about 10 seconds

[round hornet]

either way enrage isnt something to worry bout much

this late

[sick sentinel]

@jade socket Regardless they should never hit enrage

[jade socket]

It happens sometimes

[round hornet]

@obsidian siren what healers do you have

[deft sapphire]

its not a big deal, i think they should worry more about getting across the second bridge than the boss enrage

[round hornet]

like you guys dropping an SLT or barrier and shit

while someone pops the tripwires?

[sick sentinel]

do u have any logs we can see?

i wanna see what happens when you clear bridge

i feel you guys are having simple problems which can be quickly fixed

[obsidian siren]

We usually go DH with skystep n bop

we have 2 rshams atm

[sick sentinel]

can i see, replay would really help

[round hornet]

damange should not be a big deal if you guys are standing in SLT while the DH goes off and does his thing

[obsidian siren]

one disc and one holy and one monk

but we usually have a pal

[sick sentinel]

u have a good comp, but for me to be very helpful id need to see what happens once the bridge is cleared

[round hornet]

and SLT + Barrier is overkill healwise

[sick sentinel]

ive seen a lot of groups 6 heal

[obsidian siren]

lemme try to get you logs

[sick sentinel]

alright

[obsidian siren]

might have to wait an extra half hour, i screwed up livelogging

[sick sentinel]

oh damn

are u raiding right now?

[obsidian siren]

yes

[sick sentinel]

alright

[obsidian siren]

And i'm not even tanking... tonight is like "i know a guy with an alt that can fill that slot" night

[raw trench]

Farming since 2011.... got bulwark today. What a dream.

[sick sentinel]

gratz

i bought blackrock bulwark for 100k instead lol

no farm

[raw trench]

2 sets of warglaives through it all lol

[sick sentinel]

nice

i still dont have em :/

[deft sapphire]

i got bulwark on my first kill haha

i didn't even know what it was

[raw trench]

That hurts me @deft sapphire haha

[deft sapphire]

i just started playing in wod and my friend was showing me some old raids

[raw trench]

Lol that’s so nice though. Just went through and mogged all toons with a shield lol

[ember arrow]

@deft sapphire same for me, a friend showed me old raids, and said, lets do that raid a shield can drop that looks cool

and uhhh ut dropped

we were like >ok

[dusky sedge]

how good is aggramars conviction for m+ tanking?

[ember arrow]

good proc, good stats

[astral crystal]

anyone know if there's a weekly mythic tov clear group?

[spiral cipher]

maybe in the general section #transmog ? I'm assuming you're asking for that. Sorry if im wrong tho :3

[white valley]

For heroic coven should a 960 prot warr be pulling less hps than a 970 vdh?

[warm plinth]

HPS has way too many variables to make a statement one way or the other tbh.

[white valley]

Hmm yeah its just i find vdh to be the 2nd lowest on healing charts compared against other tanks

Monks being the lowest

[warm plinth]

VDH heal far lower on single target than they do in AoE situations

[fleet galleon]

Depends how low your hps is to gauge if you're doing something wrong

[white valley]

I wasnt taking much damage so i was only doing 250k

He was doing 230k

[warm plinth]

Warriors are actually among the highest HPS typically since Ignore Pain counts as healing on meters. Same with Inspiring Presence, which is the typical raid talent.

[white valley]

Not much damage was going out, and only 2 people died cause derped on army

[warm plinth]

Yeah 230k doesn't sound low enough to be concerned from a VDH on single target

[white valley]

Yeah thats what im used to seeing. I often see warr tanks over 800k

[warm plinth]

I don't remember if overhealing is considered on healing meters or not. But if not a lot of damage is going out, then you lose a lot of your HPS due to little healing from Inspiring Presence

And bracers if you're running them

[ember arrow]

haHAaa just had 1.6mil hps on dk on stacked doggos

[white valley]

My meters dont count overhealing

My bdk pulls 1.1m hps on nonstacked doggos

😦

[warm plinth]

Yeah so you'd be losing out on all healing besides Ignore Pain if you were taking small amounts of damage for the most part

[fleet galleon]

How you gonna pad if you don't count overhealing?

[white valley]

If overhealing counted as healing

My dh would always be top

[proven zenith]

Hi guys just received a gnawed bone ring and the tool tip says it does 5% increased healing done and nd 5% magic damage would it increase the amount ignore pain absorbs?

[white valley]

I rarely fall under 1m ohps

Itll be 5% buff to ignore pain

As absorb = heal

[warm plinth]

I don't believe so Faelwen. Even if it did, the effect wouldn't really be worth anything.

AFAIK IP is only considered a heal as far as meters are concerned.

[white valley]

Hmm

Something to ask wowhead about

Cause blizz staff are braindead af and will tell you to ask wowhead

[warm plinth]

XD

@timid jay Do you know the answer good sir?

Thyme or Macro would probably know for sure but neither of them are online atm

[proven zenith]

Had a look was mostly rogues asking about about sin dmg increase :( bis for for me atm

[timid jay]

Wut

[warm plinth]

Well the upside is that effects on items that aren't trinkets almost always don't count toward the stat budget, so you're not losing anything by having it equipped.

[white valley]

Cosmo does IP count as healing

So would IP be buffed from increased healing %?

[timid jay]

Its a absorb so yes

[white valley]

Thought so

[warm plinth]

This is the specific question being asked.

[timid jay]

Oh, actually not that sure about that

[white valley]

I find this a weird topic

[timid jay]

Easiest way is to test it

[spiral cipher]

couldn't you just hit a dummy for max rage

[white valley]

Cause healing / absorbs contradict itself constantly

[spiral cipher]

pop IP - see what it is

then put ring on and repeat

see if there's a difference

[warm plinth]

Yes but people like to ask instead of test 😉

[timid jay]

Its a use effect so its even easier to test

[warm plinth]

I'm guilty of it all the time

[white valley]

On vari, you can still put effective absorbs on people with misery

Which disables healing

Yet necrotics at 33+ stacks and absorbs dont work?

[spiral cipher]

is that why I don't get insta crushed when my OT doesn't taunt on time? xD

[white valley]

They both cancel out healing

[proven zenith]

I'll give it a test in a mo and let you know :(

[white valley]

But one accepts absorbs one doesnt

[proven zenith]

:)*

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Blizz does weird shit sometimes