i rarely wear them during fortified week thouh
#protection
junior ivy
hollow bolt
now just wondering bracers and belt or belt and gloves
or some strange combination of em
hollow bolt
sounds good!
undone sun
Belt is by far the best for aoe and for bracers vs. gloves depends on if you need the self healing or not
chrome zodiac
undone sun
While flying the Home and End keys let you flip
glass flax
^^
tiny rapids
821 essences, PLEASE come Mannoroth
glass flax
insert and delete maybe?
undone sun
One of those
old zephyr
anyone has trouble against garothi worldbreaker, I sometinmes get hit by the cannonball even though I'm running straight line?
stark sage
ive had that issue as well, just have IP up
round hornet
too close?
glacial sage
you have to start running as soon as you can
undone sun
It's about distance, start running sooner and it's less likely to hit you
also having SR up is a great way to minimize the damage if it does hit you
glacial sage
and take advantage of how far you can hit him from
round hornet
if you do wnat to sit and wait to dps more you can leap away as well
stark sage
when leaping just be sure to keep running after until the bombs are done
bounding stride for the movespeed helps a lot
round hornet
once the debuff is gone you can just charge back in
tiny rapids
That's what I do, Bounding Stride, about 2 seconds I jump off and run.
tiny rapids
For lower or higher?
undone sun
Upper
tiny rapids
No lol, I meant lower % or higher %
swift willow
Hey all, since it's necro week I was wondering if Battle Cry also increase our parry rating ?
swift willow
Sad, it would have been fun to see it used as a defensive ^^
cinder nova
Yes
sage sphinx
Also, how do I make tidy plates bigger so I can pick up adds easier?
sage sphinx
Where in the options? Iβve looked everywhere!!
cinder nova
I'll find out when l get home if I'm not retarded or someone else does it
You could also try some console scripts
I believe there's one to make them fuckhuge if you had the inclination
cinder nova
TWF is good with 2p 21 synergy, TGV is good for cleave and DPS with a bonus to survival relative to the number of targets you'll have to clap throughout the fight
It's not bad at all, tbh. Though in ST I'd go with bracers of you want full survival and kakushan if you want more damage. It also increases rage from clap and ss
So there's that
sage sphinx
I am beside myself
I canβt figure out how to make it bigger
Iβve tried every option
What in the fuck
This is ridiculous
cinder nova
I mean what bar art are you using
If you're using graphite then change that shit asap
There's no adds in anything except maybe command and vari
The rest are so big and far between across the fights that you kind of have to be blind or just not paying attention to miss them
shrewd arrow
for tanking damage reduction
i mean u get 1283 stamina with normal tauren race
it's worth to change for highmountain
?
mossy cairn
Should I keep the Haste trinket knowing that I lack a lot of haste (I'm only at max 20%) or equip the exoskeleton which has Stamina and a tank proc (with a bit of leech) ?
My other trinket is a 935 Diima's Glacial Aegis so I think I can keep this one
cinder nova
There aren't any haste caps
Also it's not a proc
It's a use
I'd use Gorshalach just because haste improves survival and damage, but if you're getting blasted into the next dimension by a 1-shot then use exoskeleton
cinder nova
But if you have the Aggramar's just use that and Diima's.
Diima's is a very strong baseline trinket for use because it provides pretty respectable damage, and the armor use is like... what? 20%+ EHP?
ember arrow
the dps trink dmg and proc is halved for tank spec
cinder nova
Pantheon trinket is generally going to be your best pick because it'll help your raid more than anything else.
mossy cairn
Yeah sorry I'm not very familiar with the english terms π And don't have Aggramar's yet, will try to farm it, in the meantime I guess I'll stick with Gorshalach
timber nest
https://gyazo.com/11dd22c53dc28e453239d1e47918e2c8 worth the upgrade?
mossy cairn
A 925 Horn of Valor that I use on the Arms spec and KJBW
cinder nova
@timber nest I'd go with Last Guardian. Pretty sure ilvl on neck/ring has to exceed 15 or 20 ilvls to default to needing more stam.
cinder nova
Yeah, I'd definitely go with Last Guardian.
Lots of haste, vers is decent.
Improved dead speed is a gimmick, I'd maybe hold on to the torc if only to goof around.
cinder nova
Fury is still simming higher than arms last I checked, but I don't check often so
cinder nova
Should be fine. You can get away with it if you play your cards right
ancient ore
Should the mage tower be easy with ill 940
undone sun
Yes
cinder nova
Very.
undone sun
prisma crane
yea lol
junior ivy
maw 18. what should i prepare myself for?
what classes should i breing?
bring*
do i need to wear the pants on first boss even on fortified?
stray wedge
You don't need to, but you should
stray wedge
On helya as well - to reflect the bleed from the destructor tentacles in phase 1
prisma crane
but you also DO more dmg
junior ivy
i do more damage with the pants?
stray wedge
On bosses where you can reflect a hard hitting ability, yeah
prisma crane
you need more T21 then
stray wedge
Hmm
junior ivy
yes i do need more t21 bad
stray wedge
Doesn't really matter
junior ivy
i want to push it to a +19
stray wedge
Skill level of the players just completely eclipses the issue of what class they are playing, for the context of this discussion
prisma crane
worry about second boss, no others
junior ivy
i'll check m+ scores
prisma crane
and know that you should safeguard squishy ppl when the mariners do their AoE
junior ivy
with intercept?
prisma crane
yes but talented into safehuard
junior ivy
ohh... let me look into that
hmm ive never changed away from inspiring presence
sicne legion came out
prisma crane
safegurad BiS for M+
prisma crane
depends, its a rough key for ppl of average scores
prisma crane
moroes with necrotic sucks
undone sun
Legs aren't needed for that, unless you kill them really slow, SR should be up for every cast
Bosses like Medivh and ymiron, the damage done back to the boss with a reflect is more than a dps would bring
weak mesa
if you are a freshish group, save all CDs including your defensives and heroism for when ymiron spawns the adds so you can blow everything up before necrotic becomes an issue
abstract wyvern
feeeling very squishy at 920 against mage tower. should i swap devastator to indominatible
junior ivy
people can see my m+ score when they see my group in group finder?
undone sun
^ as long as they have your name and realm too
junior ivy
i hate when m+ groups dont wnana use discord
i feel soo much more comfortable using discord
butno one in this group wants to
valid cloak
I don't ever use discord unless it's something past a 20. With Guild is different due to banter but much rather music tbh haha
ancient ore
I must really suck on. Warrior if I get like 5 of those infernals
Any way to get my dps up
undone sun
What legos are you using
ancient ore
Wrist and belt
junior ivy
2nd boss dead
sick sentinel
I used waist and gloves
junior ivy
we missed timer
and it was my fauly
faulty
fault*
100%
i died to tentacle
we would have made it.
we were doing so good
missed by less than 20 secondes
fathom hollow
feelsbadman
warm plinth
Missed spell reflect? Or forgot?
warm plinth
Worth using it anyway...saves a ton of healing
junior ivy
but i think people got hit by green stuff so healer was busy with that
warm plinth
No reason not to use it for the tentacle. It's a ton of damage to heal and it's up for every tentacle anyway
junior ivy
whicvh ability do i use it for
warm plinth
You just use it as soon as you aggro the tentacle
It's an instant cast bleed that it'll stack up on you 3 times
It does it like a second or so after someone gets into melee range, so just charge in, pop SR and you'll eat it. You'll see the tentacle hit you three times really quickly and that's him trying to put the bleed on you
junior ivy
π¦
warm plinth
If you spell reflect that bleed, there's virtually no tank damage on that fight
sick sentinel
yeah...virtually xD
i was actually pretty decent at padding tankdmg. there yesterday
its all possible!
warm plinth
Padding tank damage? What do you mean?
warm plinth
Well done
sick sentinel
π π
round vortex
I think the term soaking is being confused with standing in fire... lol
warm plinth
I knew what he meant haha Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I do consider soaking to be standing in something you're supposed to stand in though.
sick sentinel
i did soak alot dmg into my IPs tho !? π€ okay, doesnΒ΄t make it better..
but my overall conclusion from that horrific nightly expirience was following question: "is taking HR > AM worth it if ur overslept to a critial value and miss simple migation checks constantly?"
id say so. try past 3am only
undone sun
That's really only a band-aid fix to the initial problem though, in the long run it wont solve anything
dim token
Do we block / parry while channeling the aggramar trinket?
warm plinth
I don't believe so, but I don't remember for certain
foggy bear
hi guys, someone know any page to check the trinkets for M+?
valid cloak
Codex is epic
hazy umbra
You can ask :)
dreamy field
how does nerubian husk compare to immortality deck?
unborn island
@tiny rapids Sorry to not reply last night, went to bed. Was upper Kara. Did my normal pull route and ended up needing 4 bats (normally just take one). Not sure if this has changed or if I just missed something.
warm plinth
@dreamy field Not remotely close. Husk is pretty crappy. Proc-based defensive trinkets are generally shitty.
hazy umbra
Broda: nerubian husk is great if you track it, immortality is as always Good, but you should aim for the eye of shatug
undone sun
Husk is unreliable, procs on your attacks and will proc when you don't need it, it's incredibly unrelible, it's not good
warm plinth
Husk isn't great even if you track it. You don't know when it's effect will be there so tracking it is useless since you can't cause hits to happen.
undone sun
Generally for defensive you want either on use and/or consistency, husk is neither
sick sentinel
hello, what haste cap is ?
warm plinth
There isn't one.
sick sentinel
I have 38% and dont know a get more ?
undone sun
As long as you're not sacrificing ilevel, it's still a priority for secondary stats, yes
warm plinth
No, 20 ilevels on jewelry is an upgrade
sick sentinel
ok ty for answer
modern tapir
Mannorth's Bloodletting Manacles, do they work with necrotic?
warm plinth
Nope, Leech did for a bit but it was fixed
undone sun
Fixed long ago
modern tapir
Wondering about one more thing: Prydaz.
undone sun
Everything healing is affected negatively with necro
grave storm
Just go with belt + gloves
sharp steeple
Only absorb im aware of that ignores necrotic is from avengers shield
delicate urchin
for dps, SB must be up on BC, or prio using SB without BC for +30% chance to crit?
dreamy field
how about a 910 arcno or a 950 eye?
modern tapir
Thanks for info!
warm plinth
You should try to have SB up for BC if possible but it's not required.
undone sun
It's not for the chance of crit, but yes @delicate urchin ideally you want SB up for the 2pc spam
Baseline shield block increases the damage done by shield slam by 30%, Shatter the bones is increases the crit chance of Shield slam while Shield block is up, but with t21 that trait is pretty much ignored
delicate urchin
Okay, i see, thx
whole coral
Hey Guys, my guild is Gona start progress on mythic eonar canβt see to much trouble on that itβs immonar after that. Got any good tips for prot warr on those fights on mythic?
fleet pivot
Immonar I enjoyed using the shoulder leggo.
are M+ leader boards not updating or something O.o
bronze lance
from what i have seen from our tanks when we were progging on it, get used to how the mines explode asap so you dont get blown off the edge or onto the edge
our pally is amazing at it and will bounce through 3/4 at a time and land perfectly makes it so much smoother
timid jay
get used to how the mines explode asap so you dont get blown off the edge or onto the edge
Totally agree with that, you fuck yourself hard if you get the double damage taken debuff
pine creek
1000 khaz'goroth or 960 aggramars?
timid jay
Within raids or outside?
pine creek
in raids!
daring aspen
In ica @timid jay
timid jay
Probably relatively close, I'd go for aggramars so you dont steal raid dps though
proper pecan
Isnt khaz proc raito nerfed twice for usπ€
Usually got better results with 930 cradle
timid jay
A 1k Khaz has a lot of str as well
daring aspen
Which one is the tank trink again i usually dont see it in our raids so dunno
drowsy geode
just reading through the guide and it says if i have T20 2P take Warlords Challenge, assuming i dont have that im guessing Bounding Stride would be the next go to for extra mobility?
timid jay
Its mostly preference
Its just t20 that made warlords challenge a must have, now just choose what you like the most
drowsy geode
awesome
west kayak
I've gotten so used to Warlords now for pulling in mobs/bosses quickly. π
timid jay
Yeah, I'm playing bounding stride most of the time but I miss warlords a lot sometimes
sick sentinel
warlords challenge still a niche QoL yea. Dont see myself ever rly needing the extra mobility
nice not niche π sry
undone sun
PK is really the only fight where i actively think BS would be useful but any other boss it's not needed imo
timid jay
imonar it can be really nice
drowsy geode
ive come from playing a BDK to Prot War so just getting a feel for how it plays atm
is overlaping SB and IP considered a bad move unless im going to get hit hard or rage cap?
daring aspen
From tanking in a wheelchair to tanking the floor?
timid jay
Floor tanking is important
@drowsy geode You dont overlap SB, it just adds a additional 6seconds to the buff uptime
I.e. if you have 3 seconds left on SB and you use it again you'll have a 9 second buff
drowsy geode
sorry, i meant if i have SB up and i use IP while its active is that a bad thing or not
timid jay
As for IP, it stacks up to 3 max rage IP's if you accoutn for any procs
drowsy geode
assuming im not taking a heavy damage orrage capped
timid jay
IP and SB are very different tbh
IP is more of a hp buffer while SB is our big mitigation
dry crane
Are the 2 tanks enough to soak Flame Rend at M Aggramar? @timid jay
timid jay
Since you come from BDK, see IP more of a souldrinker lookalike
drowsy geode
oh great, i hate Souldrinker
timid jay
Why are you memeing me for mandl's fuckup? π
dry crane
π€·
timid jay
Its mostly a defensive rage dump
drowsy geode
awesome, thank you very much
timid jay
One thing worth mentioning, you never want to cap on rage
daring aspen
Never?
timid jay
Rage you get at cap doesnt work with AM to reduce cooldowns
So IP is a great way to keep your rage down
drowsy geode
so if damage is okay from the raid and im not tanking the boss stackling some IP before i end up tanking the boss isnt awful, i dont have to start hitting Reveneg to stop my cap
timid jay
No is totally fine
I'd recommend trying to have a maxxed IP before starting to tank again
drowsy geode
awesome, im only 910 atm so trying to focus on staying alive first and tehn damage second
timid jay
Just so smooth out the damage a bit more
quartz pond
if ur a big sissy
timid jay
If you're goal is maximum survivability I'd recommend getting the IP WA over at #ui-addons-manager and keep track of your rough IP cap without procs
So you know when you have it capped and you can spend more rage on revenge once you reach it
drowsy geode
cheers Cosmo, reckon ive got a good basis to start off with now π
mild sinew
the relinquished trinkets. do u get arcano with prot specc too? any1 experienced?
timid jay
Yeah you can
sick sentinel
hey guys
i got a question: is Pantheon Trinket a good choice for a prot warrior? and when yes which 2nd trinket i should use?
daring aspen
This is a question for cosmo
timid jay
Definitely worth it in raids, second trinket is more situational as tank trinkets generally are
sick sentinel
okay so in m+ its not worth?
what would be good 2nd trinkets...something like the eye of shatuq?
daring aspen
Pantheon trinkets are usually never worth outside of antorous since they cant empower
timid jay
Tank trinket is a exception since the empowered proc is basically garbage
Its more offensively oriented though, mainly because it has a lot of str and the versa proc cant really be trusted to come at a good time defensively
I'd still recommend using it most of the time
sick sentinel
okay ty
would u go as a 2nd trinket : horn of valor when u want to play a bit more offensively ? or is it to much?
timid jay
Horn isnt that great for us tbh, most use trinkets fall off for us unless you need the burst for something
sick sentinel
i find it rly hard to decide what trinkets i should use
timid jay
Since we have such high uptime on DS/BC its generally worth it more to have a high str trinket to combine it with
sick sentinel
so i should look for a trinket that has str on it and what else? a use effect or a passiv that gives me something?
timid jay
Generally for DPS, just high str goes a long way for us
Arcane would work as well for the raw amount of stats it has
sick sentinel
im not that lucky to get an arcane:D
mild sinew
it depends what u wanna do.
glaive would be great for big ae dmg in m+
shatuq for a physical hitting boss in progession
Diima's for kiting in high m+ or necrotic kiteing
str+mastery stick is strong for sustain strong dmg
Writhing Heart for magical sustain dmg inc in progression
arcano gernerally a strong option in all conditions
sick sentinel
thanks arakisis
timid jay
Diimas does do great damage in m+ as well
Line it up with BC and that 1min cd does put out great numbers
sick sentinel
would u guys recommend bracers/twf > bracers/kakus pure defensive? brain says yes ...but...that STR losts and stuff π
timid jay
It has str on it as well baseline which is amazing
Bracer+kaku, kaku has higher rage gains
Unless you need the shorter SW cd for something specific go for kaku
left meteor
Basically Kaku is preeetty good
sick sentinel
yea was bit curious bout the rage thing, with that much SS slams in t21 now, but guess ill take it like that and keep on the feelycraft
left meteor
Each Kaku buffed SS is 4.8 extra rage, so even using Kaku buffs on SS with half efficiency edges out TWF
sick sentinel
at least +19 Dragrul gave me a gud feeling about acutal bracers value last days
mild sinew
pure dmgwise its kakush+Thundergod's, isnt it`?
timid jay
For aoe definitely
For ST kaku+AHR is most likely better if you can line AHR up with LS and reliably pop the shield
Provided you can do it on CD
sick sentinel
we did mention Kaku+TWF on st dps too didnt we ?
timid jay
TGV is stronger than TWF for dps generally
left meteor
TWF's DPS gain is not that great tbh
timid jay
Even ST
undone sun
Lack of main stat as well
timid jay
We do have working sims now, apl pending @fierce juniper
left meteor
WOOT
sick sentinel
who said TWF is pretty close to TGV on ST ? π wasnΒ΄t me
undone sun
Still Soonβ’ but it's coming along
sick sentinel
π yeye true that
timid jay
Lack of mainstat and the amount of crit on TWF doesnt really help it
sick sentinel
dont get me wrong i was just rethinking the talk we had about alrdy.
totally fine with whats said here!
junior ivy
brh 17, hard or no?
junior ivy
rest isnt hard?
timid jay
With a good healer its fine
AoE stuns can help a lot with the archer dudes
Its the bats and the archers / knife dance guys that are a pain
Rest is smooth sailing
junior ivy
i'm so mad i messed up my maw 18 π¦
glacial sage
How'd you mess up?
junior ivy
it was going really well. the dps was a bit low, but we 1 shotted first 2 bosses
and had maybe 2-3 deaths by the time we got to helya
had 4 mins remaining
i died to a tentacle, we had no b-res.
we wiped and finished 20 seconds past timer
π¦
glacial sage
rip
junior ivy
yeh i was so concerned that someone else was gonna mess up and ruin my key
but then i was the one who did.
left meteor
Ever since I read that you can spell reflect tentacles they have been a breeze
before that I'd rather kill myself than do Helya
modern brook
Wait you can SR the destructor tentacles?
undone sun
Yes, the bleed
modern brook
thats nuts
left meteor
They kill themselves rather than me
junior ivy
i completely forgot to SR the tentacles
left meteor
Huge upside
left meteor
Best Spell Reflect feeling is definitely Domatrax for me though
There's something badass about standing outside of the circle voluntarily and just blasting his huge discharge back at him
small wyvern
Boys, can someone pm me, and explain me the way of the warrior tank real quick? i need to practice it for upper kz, i need a mentor
modern brook
I have a hard time maintaining Ignore pain, and I'm unsure how much of that is being bad at rage management
slate obsidian
well you'd better, noone wants to talk to you anyways
modern brook
oof
undone sun
left meteor
glacial sage
small wyvern
such a meany.
wicked ruin
what would be the best alliance race for a prot warr? i'm thinking on leveling one ^^
slate obsidian
glacial sage
gnome master race
timid jay
Racials arent really big for us tbh
Mostly quality of life and really small improvements, just playing slightly better is a much bigger gain
junior ivy
gnomes are fun becuase you are tiny and the bosses are huge.
timid jay
Play what you think looks good
glacial sage
gnome master race
junior ivy
yes β€
daring aspen
That saod Highmountain is best race doesnt matter the class
glacial sage
gnome master race
timid jay
They do have 1% versa which is nice I guess
left meteor
Panda master race
left meteor
Pandas have superior transmog options
wicked ruin
xD
sick sentinel
cat such a sweety π
junior ivy
β€
daring aspen
Highmountain for charge/knockdown tho
glacial sage
gnome master race
left meteor
https://render-eu.worldofwarcraft.com/character/eredar/115/98789491-main.jpg
I would like to claim title of Best Transmog EU please thank you
junior ivy
lmao
glacial sage
Almost as bad as cat
left meteor
You take 50% less damage with this transmog because bosses are afraid of the mighty ogre before them
left meteor
I definitely see a Bloodmaul ogre π―
modern brook
Is there any literature out there that describes what exactly happens when you block an attack? I know there are limiting factors between blocking dodging parrying etc, but I dont remember and want a refresher
undone sun
With some in game modifiers from artifact traits
Essentially it's a set % amount off an incoming attack, that is blockable
modern brook
yeah i probably should of assumed that was googleable sorry
modern brook
for m+ is 2pc/2pc or 4pc/2pc better?
sick sentinel
most of us got rid of t20 2p at certain point..so its 4p t21 defensive & 2p t21 for dps
6p optional on heavy consistant dmg. inc, but rarely used ..if ever
^
hazy umbra
Wich are adΓ©nome for damage output
Awesome *
Instead of adΓ©nome
(sorry auto correction)
alpine panther
Hey, so I mostly play arms but tank sometimes is taking devastator worth the almost 2 mil health I will lose?
alpine panther
with taking that should I take heavy reprecussions?
spiral cipher
anger management
alpine panther
Ok thats what I have now
round hornet
@hazy umbra t21 2pc and high ilvl for the rest to dps
spiral cipher
i wish indom was worth taking - i love seeing myself above 10 mil hp lol
stark sage
the extra rage generated by devastator will turn into IP giving you more effective HP, and the extra rage spent will lower your CDs
stark sage
you technically will have a 'bigger' healthpool using devastator because of the extra rage gained
rage = hp
hazy umbra
@round hornet dont worry man i know my shit about dps as a war tank :D
spiral cipher
we do quite a bit of dps with 4p / 2p xD
hazy umbra
Oh mate pls dont play with the talent that increase health :'(
Devastator is Just so much better bro !
And to do max des in single target the Best is to have golf shadow light buff and play ring + gloves
Good shadow light *
Then Just go for belt + gloves
rotund token
Looking at warcraftlogs and wowheads mythic + class breakdown.. why are we so low on everything? I havent seen an affix week where we honestly have more than 3% avg on any dungeon.
are we that shit?
hazy umbra
If you dont have like torments of weak an these shit
@rotund token We have no utility for the group, only damage and some stun, nothing compared to the dk mais grip and rez for exemple
stark sage
@rotund token isnt warcraft logs m+ stats useless
rotund token
I enjoy playing warrior tank, but similar to old feral, it feels punishing for no reason.
stark sage
rotund token
and it doesnt look like BfA is going to address that ):
stark sage
tank representation is pretty balanced tbh, only starts to get skewed at the very top end
rotund token
top end is like 40-50% dk, 20-25% dh, and then 20% pally.
rotund token
What is considered that level ? 20+?
strong briar
hey, can anyone tell me about a special strat that prot warrior offers in upper karazhan ?
like anything with arcanedmg modifiers on any boss ?
strong briar
ye thats pretty obvious
quartz pond
spell reflect is good
strong briar
but i just heard about something cheesy with sick dmg increases (on MDI level stream)
timid jay
Stacking 50% increased arcane damage taken on medive
strong briar
so you reflect the last missiles tick i guess ?
timid jay
You reflect the entire missiles unless you want to get rekt
strong briar
aight thx
sick sentinel
debuff applies on last tick tho, so thats right tooπ
fleet galleon
Can't reflect when you're dead
timid jay
Might as well do it all
daring aspen
I should interrupt that more often
rotund token
Question, when people say "once you get the X lego, our self healing really increases" what lego are they tgalking about
timid jay
The only self healing leggo we have, bracers
vocal nimbus
Why damage meter addons dont show reflected damage as part of the damage done? Is it technically difficult to do?
left meteor
It counts as damage done by the source of the spell I believe
timid jay
Yeah, it doesnt show up normally
hazy umbra
Yeah astrolis those are the bracers
Around 25% heal whe' used well sometimes more, sometimes much less ^^
junior ivy
angry assignments
round hornet
makes sense I guess
quick garden
is Archimondes + kakushans still the best setup for dmg logs?
hazy umbra
As i said, the ring that buff shadow light buffs is fucking strong
If you got good trait ofc
left meteor
TBH best way to cheese healing logs real hard is having your healers not top people off and letting Inspiring Presence work its magic while spamming IP
left meteor
gratz
normal inlet
Darkmoon immortality trink worth or?
sick sentinel
if the damage is really physical high
i think sense used it for aggramar mythic and argus mythic but im not sure
normal inlet
ok
upper spoke
what do u guys use w/ leggo pants? seems without the rage generation of t20 4p, bracers aren't as useful
upper spoke
against a single target, like oakheart in dht, id consider walls fell (since t21 4p still lets you spam shield slam to reduce cd of shield wall)
stark sage
bracers are going to give you more defense than TWF
upper spoke
but during a single powerful ability, like crushing grasp, the bracers can't provide burst defense
and nobody dies regular melee stuff
stark sage
then save your cooldowns
upper spoke
was looking for new ideas, not a single-minded point of view
thought ring might provide an extra cooldown since you shouldnt need the extra heals between powerful abilities
was wondering if anyone has experimented with other things
stark sage
ive played with TWF + wrist quite a bit
the extra shield wall isnt that useful
and often doesnt get used
or isnt reduced enough
on oakheart, if you plan your CDs accordingly, you wont die to grasp
stark sage
the thing is defensively the wrists are god like
upper spoke
got twf + wrist, belt + wrist, pants + wrists
upper spoke
got everything
stark sage
like you are running the 6pc combo?
upper spoke
6p t20 + 6p t21 of good enough ilvls. every legendary
upper spoke
against a single target, yeah i generally agree. that;s why i use them
was just hoping to spark some new ideas
stark sage
well for trash, the 4pc 21 is pretty nice, then you can use belt or hands
necrotic weeks make wrists kinda bad
upper spoke
hm yeah i just did 1 key this week. i probably couldve gotten away w/o wrists
sick sentinel
doesnt self heal ignore necrotic?
simple mural
So what are people running for mythics this week? I'm seeing a lot of boots and shoulders, or gloves and wrists. I'm guessing kite kit for higher mythics and lower ones we can get away with damage and self heals?
sick sentinel
still same thing in general you can use shoulders maybe if you want to kite adds that cant be slowed or stunned but im not sure
i dont know i never used speed gear for kiting there is always a gap for you to reset necrotic
@simple mural who used boots and shoulders
deft sapphire
@sick sentinel no
@upper spoke oakheart you have spell reflect up for every crushing grip thereβs no need to and defensive legendaries anyway
left meteor
1 minute into wiping on Felhounds and chill
our VDH gets gibbed by Shatug for no reason
sick sentinel
VDH life
left meteor
My opener was really sick on that pull as well
I may not be an expert on this, but having magic mitigation up for 2/15 Corrupting Maws doesn't look right
sick sentinel
go without pants cat! some fresh air always gud π
but as mgll just mentioned .. u wont need them for oakheart ..SR is up for every grip
and on other bosses u dont need either
broken panther
Brh instead of dht I think.
sick sentinel
ok omegalul .. im talkin DHT. scratch my life!
junior ivy
haha do i need the pants for any brh bosses?
sick sentinel
nope
broken panther
Not that I recall. All is good with regular legos
sick sentinel
maybe for spiders 2x SR
couldnt imagine more there
just go slap them all cat!π
junior ivy
im a littrle scared butr i got a 3600 healer and 3800 dps in my group
and a hunter whos main is 3200 score
so hopefully we can 1 chest it
round hornet
@left meteor vdh empowered wards is a low CD like Sr so they should be fine in that boss lol
sick sentinel
i like BRH bosses pretty much, prefered dungeon on tyran for me π€·
be aware of migiationchecks on first and 2nd boss and all gucci
left meteor
Idk our tanks just fall like flies on that boss sometimes
sick sentinel
garothi again?
proper pecan
Vari
sick sentinel
gz boi! π
that freakin 1,6 chinese garothi is still in .. but with prot gear instead of full armz now
buglord π
junior ivy
1 chested brh 17
proper pecan
I, too, have proved my worth, Odyn.
junior ivy
and my group hated me
sick sentinel
Valhalla time @proper pecan ?π
junior ivy
no one properly warned me just how bad brh would be
sick sentinel
π©
get over it cat! sometimes its just the groupchat u have to take with heavy IP π€· π
junior ivy
the worst part wasnt even necrotic, althoguh necrotic sucks
sick sentinel
what was going wrong?
junior ivy
it was those narrow hallways/stair cases, with sanguine
ide try and kite some trash toi drop necrotic stacks and end up ina narrow hallway with sanguine
and confusing camera angles
and run into walls
and panic
we still 1 chested it though
sick sentinel
yy cam is bitch there sometimes. ture .... t ..r...u..e
junior ivy
like we 1 chested and i didnt die much but the hunter still kept saying "this fucking tank.."
lol
π¦
oh well
now i got hov 18
sick sentinel
tyran hyrja always nice
timber nest
hmm, so i got a 970 belt off portal keeper last night... crit mastery... think its better than the 2 960 belts i have with haste?
timid jay
If its crit heavy, probably not
timber nest
those are my 960 ones
https://gyazo.com/a8a0baa247f73e13dc3b0b7bc19dd3fc thats my 970
timid jay
Eh, Id probaby stick with the current one
timber nest
i use leggo belt most of the time, but wondering for fights where i need bracers
sick sentinel
when i have really high haste item even tho i get like 10 ilvl higher version i dont use it anymore
proper pecan
Go haste
sick sentinel
my gear is already high enough to survive everything so whats the point lol
timid jay
Keep in bags for bag ilvl
timber nest
https://gyazo.com/299b839435c3539ebbd92eb9950102a8 my stats, i probly got enough haste
timid jay
Might as ewll
sick sentinel
yeah.. but would equip the 900+ haste over that leech one without even thinking about
timber nest
yup, gonna keep for arms π
robust bronze
Do people use to go hige ilvl for m+ or do you use 4set for tanking?
steel ferry
Hey guys! Hope u can help me with a question.. i got nightmare egg shell trinket 935ilvl, is that a good trink for prot?
topaz ember
did they change the way mythic lockouts work?
or can you still only run it with one group
undone sun
Still ID based
turbid horizon
@robust bronze personally i go for ilvl and just keep 2 set for the rage gen solely for survivability purposes
junior ivy
hounds on mythic. i need help. on fire dog. when orb comes. ?
weak mesa
run away?
junior ivy
where exactly d oi go
smoky oak
All other ways than towards the other boss and into the orb
undone sun
The first one should line up with the bosses cast so ideally you go to the closest wall to drop the fire puddle
weak mesa
are the dps stacking behind the fire dog?
junior ivy
yeah but then orb comes and everyone scatters
weak mesa
yeah then they come back in for when the fire spawns underneath them right?
thats just what happens, as long as the dogs are sort of 25ish yard apart (so dps can multi dot) then thats fine
you drag dog away from the orb just a short distance, same as when the fires spawn under players'feet
weak mesa
just follow the tank then π
junior ivy
we do great til orb then pass confusion and death lol
we got to 50% for first time !!
smoky oak
Have someone call out to go out to place the fire from the orb and then once thats done call for a stack behind the boss
glacial sage
Doing Seat 14, any tips?
junior ivy
try not to cry
glacial sage
Its really hard not to rn
junior ivy
is there an addon that wil llet me put a pretend marker on my own head
that no one else can see
glacial sage
Right click your player icon, go to target marker icon
undone sun
that no one else can see no
junior ivy
im ahvin trouble on fire dog
i cant find myself
π¦
and i dunon where i am
and if im out of flames or not
timid jay
And that's why you don't play gnome ;)
shut summit
I've seen people make a WA of a bright dot where middle of your char is
little rain
The fact that Cradle of Anguish and Chaos Talisman are both not on the Tournament Realm is hyper triggering, am I right @shut summit
I wanted to live the screamy boi machine gun dream
junior ivy
grr hounds they are so hard on mythic
snow crow
Gettin completely shrekt on heroic Coven when taking Fire mother. Sometimes survive 2nd stack rarely ever survive 3rd stack. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/tichondrius/maldrin
Any tips :C
junior ivy
what difficulty?
snow crow
Sorry heroic
snow crow
Ahh didn't know it worked o nthat
Any chances theres a cheat sheet on blockable damage like that?
snow crow
π
weak mesa
i use altz ui, its a minimalistic compilation on wowinterface and theres an option with put a giant transparent(looks good) arrow on top of your toon
i keep it on cause i lose track of my char all the time
snow crow
cheat sheet doesnt say you can 'block' fiery strike tho
undone sun
Because you can't
undone sun
Catfriend said spell reflect
snow crow
Ok so anything showing magic damage cna be reflected
I was reading it that the red - meant you couldn't do anything
undone sun
Spell reflect has two functions
100% reflect while taking no damage and 50% magic damage reduction
In the spreadsheet if it says reflectable it's 100% reflectable, otherwise it's not and if the damage is blue it's covered by the 50% DR
snow crow
Ah ok. So SR on 3rd stack is to reduce the damage. Cat main so I never realized
undone sun
Same
rich swallow
our best pull is 50ish
round vortex
nice work! We are progressing the same now catfiend. We did our first pulls on command last week
upper spoke
hey grats cat
junior ivy
ty !!!!
round vortex
5 pulls in 42% for us (i think lol)
junior ivy
i heard highy command is easier than hounds
on mythic
cause the mechanics dont change a whole lot
round vortex
i disagree
winged marsh
I found it to be, but your raid can really screw you on that fight
round vortex
we 2 shot hounds on progression lol
winged marsh
people not watching where they walk doesnt just deal damage to them, hurts the whole raid
round vortex
but yeah its more an attitude thing - making your raiders bait the bladesotrm because it actually hurts now - and focusing adds.
we don't have an mine popping issues thank fuck π
winged marsh
we def had that issue on our first few pulls lol
round vortex
our issue is just working out the best positioning to maximise bat cleave. So far what works best for us is tank the boss on one side and the melee just soft cleave and on the other side of the pod they hard switch + ranged. That was our last attempt last raid and worked an absolute dream. Made it to the 3rd pod with 1-2 deaths and shit just hit the fan lol
winged marsh
yea tanking the boss on 1 side of the pod is really good
round vortex
Yeah the melee can run freely without worrying about getting cleaved now. So should net a kill this week π We only raid once per week so prog time has to be effective
round vortex
I haven't seen you in the prot channel much before as a stormforged. Is that 1) me being blind 2) new to prot 3)new promo lol
undone sun
Definitely a new SF though
winged marsh
that too yea
round vortex
ahh makes sense - i recognised the name as I often read the fury channel but don't comment as I don't have much to offer
winged marsh
I've been lurking in here a lot for the past month or so cause I wanna play prot in some M+
just soaking in information n stuff
round vortex
yeah same as me but opposite channels lol
winged marsh
Fury M+ is probably the most fun I've had in wow
I love it
I tanked some really low keys as prot too and that was really enjoyable
round vortex
Yah prot warrior is my favourite class and spec on wow by far. Been at it since Wrath when I started guild and raid leading - fire mage prior to that π
winged marsh
I moved from ranged to melee this xpac and I doubt ill ever go back
warm plinth
I've never really gotten into any of my ranged toons. Having to stand still and have cast times is not fun to me. The only ranged toon I got into temporarily was BM hunter and that's because it's like the melee of ranged specs (no movement limitations), but it's too simple a spec to keep me interested.
undone sun
Yeh, i'm not big on casters... started out playing as a warlock but it didn't take long for me to switch
warm plinth
I'm leveling a shadow priest atm just because I don't have a 110 priest yet and I didn't have another VE I wanted to level
Leveling with an MM hunter partner makes it tolerable though, since I rarely cast anything but SWP and Void Eruption
winged marsh
I used my BFA boost on a lock
warm plinth
Same
winged marsh
ditched it after a few days. That class is so boring
warm plinth
Yes it is lol
I was like oh this looks fun, nearly invincible, great damage, good utility
I didn't realize it was a 3 button spec and 2 of the buttons are only pressed every 18 seconds or whatever
undone sun
Lol
warm plinth
I'm sure I could swap to destro or demo and at least have it be more engaging but I only boosted it for the M+ applications from affliction
winged marsh
it never gave me those satisfying moments I get from warrior
like pressing battlecry just feels really good
warm plinth
I'm working on learning the DPS specs on my warrior (arms first) but they aren't clicking for me yet
I do 1 mil ST on a good day at 948ish, which seems pitiful
winged marsh
im working on arms currently, wanna be a bit more knowledgable about the class overall
warm plinth
Yeah I feel bad because supposedly they're easy specs but idk, just not putting 2 and 2 together for arms right now, and I never had much luck with fury either. Then again, no legendaries and I've never really geared for either of them so that's not helping (along with just being unfamiliar with the specs)
winged marsh
π€· lock is supposed to be braindead easy and I cant play it worth a damn. Some classes just dont click for some people
or sometimes you just gotta smash your head into it long enough and it all makes sense π
warm plinth
Yeah, I hear that. Like I don't think demonic on havoc DH will ever make sense to me lol
winged marsh
haha I feel the opposite, Demons blades DH drove me nuts cause I always felt like I was doing it wrong
warm plinth
I started mine before demonic became a mainstream thing, so idk, maybe I'm just used to it and am being stubborn :p
The concept makes sense; I just can't seem to execute it consistently. So I have these awkward 2.2 mil DPS moments and then do 700k on AoE the next moment
winged marsh
I started the xpac as DH
Momentum best build π
Fel rushing off the platform on Cenarias cause you gotta do your dps rotation rofl
warm plinth
Yeah I'm glad I started mine after Momentum had basically died out
That did not seem fun
winged marsh
was definitely... interesting rofl
junior ivy
WHY AM I SO BAD AT SKOVALD
why do i have this problem on skovald that no other tank on the planbet seems to have
omg
i just dont understand
winged marsh
What are you dying to?
junior ivy
i do the shield too early
even thoughi swear to god im waiting til the cast ends
i dont get it
winged marsh
are you using NF during the shield?
junior ivy
nope i learned that lesson i dont use NF gthe entire fight cuase im too scared of doing that
somehow after that god awful hov 18, the mage from the group is trying to recruit me to tank in his 6/11 mythic guild
lol
i did so bad!
winged marsh
go for it man π
warm plinth
Why do you think you're doing the shield too early?
round hornet
did you end up leaving rexxar? @junior ivy
sly junco
does anyone else find it stressful that a lot of the gear from antorus is like crit and no haste
or is that just me
proper pecan
I got crit only on shoulderπ€
lone umbra
legs shoulders and helm here with crit...that damn 4pc, is it even worth using 4pc over higher ilvl m+ gear with 2pc?
oh and my riftworld codex has crit, almost 19% crit on my toon
undone sun
Defensive vs. offensive
lone umbra
fair enough
does anyone run the pantheon trinket in m+ these days with them being ilvl 1000? that's a lot of str and the vers proc isn't too bad, though it is on a proc
undone sun
For Single target i do
lone umbra
what would run this week, for instance? I have a plethora of trinkets and sometimes the hardest part is figuring out which to use and when
void kite
aggramars and dimas
lone umbra
don't use codex? my 960 seems to do me pretty good in m+
undone sun
It's fine for aoe but i have better options so i don't use mine
for trash i use shivermaw+diimas and st is either conviction, 935 haste stick or 930 socketed whod if i need defensive
lone umbra
must be nice to have a shivermaw
void kite
a well rolled dimas used with your battle crys is actually quite a bit of single target dmg to
lone umbra
yea, mines 955, pretty good, figure diimas/codex aoe and aggramar's/codex for single target, no haste sticks over 910...could use the bonus armor/strength dog eye I guess with aggramars for s/t
void kite
you'll get more dmg reduction and dmg from dimas than codex on a st fight
lone umbra
valid point,
void kite
its not much more dmg but my 955 dimas will always beat out my 965 codex
warm plinth
Yeah Codex is pretty shit for ST; we don't take a lot of boss damage in a lot of cases anyway so that makes it even more useless
Speaking for M+ ofc
nocturne plover
sick sentinel
shiverwhat? Does it even exist?π
lone umbra
I'm saying! I even run heroic vh every now and then hoping to get boots, no dice
warm plinth
Guy in the M+ Discord just got a 960 this week. I wouldn't mind that!
lone umbra
but still, never seen a shivermaw off him either
warm plinth
I got an 865 one on my VDH a couple weeks ago π
lone umbra
ugh
sick sentinel
reeee m aggdown to 5% thisweek
So close
910 vers sticks all the way π my argunits are horrible
warm plinth
I'm using a 915 mastery stick and a 940 chrono shard
sick sentinel
But yeah ..back on codex/diimas for AOE too meanwhile
warm plinth
Er, wait, it's a 915 haste stick with socket, not a mastery stick
round hornet
I have a 960 sohivermaw and 980 feloiled on my bdk from caches
warm plinth
REEEE
round hornet
But no diima on it
round hornet
My monk has a 980 diima tho
sick sentinel
chronowhat? π scratchd my farm on this one too. Arcway loottable such a bitch. Neverlucky
warm plinth
Farming Maw π€’
sick sentinel
Why not?π
warm plinth
I actually don't really mind any dungeon but Seat but if I had to choose one to farm, it definitely wouldn't be Maw
sick sentinel
I could imrpove my tankdmgpadding there!
warm plinth
I'd rather farm Arcway. At least that's easy most weeks. Maw has weeks that suck balls
Which is most weeks tbh
I haven't really been playing my 110s lately though. When I do play I'm typically leveling alts
Working on a LFD Prot pally right now πͺ
sick sentinel
True that. But maws sufferin is a quick one at least π im was stuck in arcway pugruns way too often last weeks
warm plinth
Yeah, feels bad when you in-time an Arcway by 1 minute x_x
But most Maw PUGs are out of time for me
sick sentinel
Basically i just did back-to-back arcway 15-19π€
warm plinth
Gross
sick sentinel
Yea...arcway timer such a joke
warm plinth
Best Maws on my tanks this season: 14 out of time on DK, 7 in time on my warrior (haven't really been working on his score much), +8 out of time on my guardian, and a magical 16 in time on my VDH
sick sentinel
Maw still pretty tough tho - their timercuts there back in EN/ToV times were a bit harsh π
warm plinth
Yeah, and the buffs to Harbaron make PUGs a nightmare
My favorite two dungeons to do are Upper Kara on fort weeks and Arcway on anything that isn't teeming.
As far as likelihood of doing well on them. I actually don't care much for Arcway
sick sentinel
I dont mind that guy too much. Just proper positioning π€·
warm plinth
I don't mind him personally; I mind trying to count on PUGs to not die to scythe
sick sentinel
More so Helya is the keybreaker in pugs i was in
warm plinth
He should be one of the easiest bosses
Helya will be one more boss I can solo once I get bracers
sick sentinel
For what reasons ever..
warm plinth
Yeah, Helya is a PUG killer too. People getting hit by barrage or piercing tentacles :/
sick sentinel
Sure.. i mean...just prepare to finish last 10% of Harbadon urself and all gucci π
warm plinth
Yeah, though it's harder to solo him since add casts stack and you can't interrupt all of them
sick sentinel
Yeah true.
But for Upper Kara... im rly scared everytime i decided to pug THIS one
warm plinth
Upper is terrifying to PUG on tyrannical but it's not bad on fortified.
Though I do wish I had leggings for that dungeon
Makes Shade less scary
sick sentinel
This acm "One Night in Kara" became story of my life way too often
But yeah..mostly guardian times back in the days. SR just too stronk!
warm plinth
I miss Mark of Ursol π¦
undone sun
I don't
sick sentinel
I don't miss my guardian!π
warm plinth
I don't either, but I'd enjoy it a bit better if I didn't get annihilated whenever magic damage comes into play.
It's not even remotely enjoyable in certain dungeons
sick sentinel
So mark of whatever..to dust with this specc
warm plinth
Just not sure what the justification was of taking it out entirely instead of just putting a cooldown on it like every other magic reduction in the game
sick sentinel
Buff prot and prune druid down to a solid 3 specc class = all happyπ
warm plinth
Lol, the good old days of guardian and feral being one spec (not)
I remember coming back to the game after that change and I was psyched
sick sentinel
Id take the roar over ..np
warm plinth
I'm optimistic about tanks in BfA though. Might be able to pull the druid out again if everyone sucks at magic mitigation lol
sick sentinel
Dude i mained druid ..like ... 7 years total!?
warm plinth
Yeah I was a druid main for a long ass time too
Vanilla through MoP (monk kinda took over after MoP).
I don't tank on my monk though
old zephyr
Isn't druid one of the best tanks (at least for raid) atm ?
sick sentinel
Always had the feeling that the fantasy of a HYBRID fcks every single specc in his uniqueness
warm plinth
All the tanks are pretty strong in this tier honestly
sick sentinel
except heal maybe
warm plinth
For M+ I wouldn't give them that title at all
They're probably tied for the worst in M+ (in my opinion)
But they're still pretty strong this tier in raids; they typically are
Majority of incoming damage on most bosses is auto attacks or other things reduced by armor, which druids typically shrug off
sick sentinel
Heal & Guardian were always in Toptier ranks raidwise iirc
warm plinth
Just about. But then, resto druids have been great healers for a loooong time. Since BC at least (though they may have had some meh moments; I did have breaks periodically and missed a lot of Cata and WoD)
bronze wigeon
Is Garothi Feedback Conduit good for tanking? I am assuming so IF it will proc off of Inspiring Pressence...
sick sentinel
But my point on boomkin and feral (and guardian to a certain point too) always was that u if u concentrate on one specc .. u could just reroll and play a proper class which is rly designed for that specific role
bronze wigeon
The int is a waste, but a stacking haste buff, if your not at 25% still not worth it?
undone sun
Haste isn't more important than str and what is 25%
warm plinth
Yeah that used to be true back in the day but both feral and balance are perfectly viable now
I used to fight that mentality hard though; I was a feral main for a long time and only tanked in raids. Did feral/resto druid 2s back in BC π
sick sentinel
Feeling is still there, but blizz did alot indeed. Legysystem helped Owl out alot in legion
warm plinth
The good ole days of feral cyclone
sick sentinel
I dont even sayin blizz is doing it wrong..ofc a 4 specc hybrid class has to have its downsides
warm plinth
The concept of a hybrid isn't really even a thing anymore
sick sentinel
Its just my personal druid feelings π
warm plinth
When I think hybrid I think of back in the day when you went half into feral and half into resto trees to half-assed do both