just more bombs and faster swaps
#protection
prisma crane
round hornet
@junior ivy either way the servers are big enough that you can find any type of person
junior ivy
okay cool
i told my favourite guildies that im transferring
its really gonna happen
prisma crane
so where to?
junior ivy
itll be sargeras . cause the people i run most of my m+s with are sargeras
its the only realm i have multiple friends on besides rexxar
i know one guy on stormrage, but he barely plays anymore
i used to be against sargeras cause of pvp
but apparently pvp realms wont exist soon?
sick sentinel
servers dont really matter except mythic raiding right now and guilds
junior ivy
so id only have to suffer throuhg pvp for a little while
sick sentinel
all of my m+ friends are from different servers
junior ivy
yeah, i wanna get in a mythic raiding guild though
nothing fancy just maybe a 3/11 or 4/11 guild
just enough to experience mythic
dont plan on getting cutting edge lol
sick sentinel
you should aim higher tbh mythic isnt that hard right now specialy first 8 or 9 bosses
junior ivy
but evden more than that, i just want an active realm. with trade chat. and reasonabler AH prices
sick sentinel
imonar might be a problem if your guild is not good and also coven but thats generaly it
left meteor
I am in a 2/11 mythic guild and people SUCK in here
Like mouthbreather level of bad.
sick sentinel
yeah 2/11 thats a dead end
junior ivy
yeh true. i mean my current guild could porobably be 2/11 mythic the problem is never enough people online
i want an active guild where people do things. m+s. mythic raids. maybe achievement runs.
left meteor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d3LDNhg2B1nPTxQ7#fight=14&type=damage-done 2/11 mythic btw, DPS struggle to hit 1.3mil btw, tanks losing aggro on pull π
round hornet
can pug more than 2/11 ezish
left meteor
Really any guild that is 2/11 is a dead end for mouth breathers myself included
round hornet
just be aware that a lot of guilds tend to have a lot of raidlogging at this point
even ones that are further progressed
always lots of burnout towards the end of the expac
prisma crane
@junior ivy will be nice to see you on the server, and dont be afraid of pvp... prot warriors are actually really strong in wpvp
junior ivy
what is raidlogging
sick sentinel
@junior ivy raid logging is logging your fights to Warcraft logs
junior ivy
why is that something i should be aware of?
sick sentinel
U should always log ur raids
U can see where you cns improve and it gives you rankings for fights
junior ivy
ohhhh
tbh id probably choose an active heroic guild over a "raid logging" mythic guild
but im not totally sure about that
round hornet
my guilds 10/11M and theres usually like less than 5 peeps on during the normal prime time when its not raid night
left meteor
I have only ever joined 1 guild in my life actually
sick sentinel
Well that sucks for you
round hornet
might stay at 10 for a while because we have roster problems with ppl quitting lol.
sick sentinel
Why would they quit lol
left meteor
I have no idea what to do to look for a new one
round hornet
a few quit raiding for this expac, others quit for better guilds to do argus on farm I guess
left meteor
Especially when I'm considering switching to tanking because DPSing is just not my thing to be honest
And I'm on a dead ass german server
prisma crane
yea char, we just lost someone this wk
gotta love having him as low as 7% and ppl dip
round hornet
the way you look for a new one is you get referred or just cold apply on their website or w/e
just like finding a job
sick sentinel
Yeah searchin guild with an open tankspot that fits what ur searchin for could become a rly tough journeyπ
round hornet
yeah its not easy if you only tank and only warrior tank imo. Its not uncommon to see guilds only looking for certain types of tanks
like needing some grips
left meteor
Implying I know how to find a job π€
I'm considering just waiting for BfA and pushing most tank specs to 120
Since I'll have some free time next semester probably
prisma crane
honestly, looking for middle mythic guilds it's not too bad to find a tank spot
anything 5/11 works
round hornet
especially if your not looking at only one server
prisma crane
and warr tanks great for vari so 7/11 guilds may be interested too
sorry i mean OP for vari
round hornet
yeah definitely great for vari/agg/arg
gloomy light
@prisma crane worth losing 10 ilvl for 2pc?
prisma crane
T21? it's worth a lot more than that
timid jay
10 ilvl overall, maybe
prisma crane
yea lol
timid jay
10 ilvl per piece, definitely worth keeping
sick sentinel
T21 is super powerful
I'm dropping a total of 50 item levels to wear it ( 30 item levels on cloak and 20 on pants )
Been super unlucky with tier Titan forges π¦
gloomy light
just got 965 mythic tier chest
FeelsGoodMan
should I drop 975 haste vers chest for tier?
little rain
Depends on your other tier options
little rain
And what items those option would replace
gloomy light
btw If i got TTW TTW and Dark thingy do I go for 50% ring or nah
mortal hawk
Scrolled up a bit and found we have a working sim. Can I use raidbots to sim myself accurately now?
timid jay
What leggos are you running? Not kaku I imagine since you had tier gloves
fleet galleon
APL isn't final yet from what I saw last on here so maybe hold off on sims. Should be done soon though is what Cosmo said
vale gyro
little rain
Depends what you have available obviously but it's not terrible
left meteor
You're saying ToS DPS levels are not acceptable? π€ I think you right.
As I said previously, 2/11 M can be achieved with a major part of the raid being mouth breathers.
prisma crane
mouf breavers*
sick sentinel
Which legendary are the best for prot now days...When i went for a breake it was Stormscale Gauntlets and Mannoroth`s bloodletting manacles.. ARe they still top ? or are the new once that came better.....And what combo should i go for for raiding normal and soon hc Ant
undone sun
Still bracers/belt/gloves
sick sentinel
belt ty i dont have that yet
have rings head shoulders trinkets breacers glovs neck legs
think that belt is the last i need tho π
what about the boots are they still very veyr crappy
round hornet
speed set!
undone sun
Still only really for quality of life, no actual purpose I can think of for combat
sick sentinel
so the boots are decent for mythic + i gues
left meteor
Not if you intend to wear them all the time
gloomy light
did 5/11 mythic today
really no problemo
also most mechanics are same as heroic lul
glacial vale
I rolled 985 tier pants with a socket, nearly fell out of my chair lol
round hornet
almost every fight is the same as heroic for tank
spark kelp
Stupid question but
can someone explain me why my shield block timed out right before the scythe hit me?
stark sage
it didnt?
spark kelp
0.00s Argus the Unmaker Deadly Scythe Dschinntonic 13126044 (A: 1833980) (B: 11117525) (O: 1716261)
-0.00s Dschinntonic's Shield Block fades from Dschinntonic
so this is just the aura removal?
undone sun
Yes
stark sage
yeh
spark kelp
hm ok
warm plinth
Note that it says (B:11117525) in the scythe box. That's the amount blocked.
It did 15 mil after your block and absorb
spark kelp
another question,is there any way i can show my health bar over the fight on lgos?
logs*
like every incomign dmg
round hornet
in the resources you can select hit points to see a graph of your hp
over the course of a fight
prisma crane
because you died
why the fuck, does discord sometimes stay scrolled, and othertimes just float
so i can come in with a fatty 2 hr late response
π€¦
undone sun
Lol
fleet galleon
You and me both @prisma crane
languid rose
sometimes discord opens at the latest message and your last viewed is a mile up, sometimes it forgets to scroll down when you tab out and you're still looking at old stuff
prisma crane
@timid jay congrats on no raid on sunday!
prisma crane
ez af though with current gear
timid jay
yeah should be
languid rose
what's EN like with current gear
prisma crane
LFR
languid rose
it's a place where top dps is a tank and 2nd dps is a healer? no ty
prisma crane
touche
round hornet
you can still wipe on nyth if you all get MC'd from not obeying mech tho
languid rose
boosts have made lfr so much worse than it was
glacial vale
not really
left meteor
Ohshit.jpg my weekly chest gave me 7/7 Bastion
7 BotA / 6 RotF / 5 Intolerance but only 976 itemlvl fml
left meteor
Yea
I used to have 7 RotF / 6 BotA / 5 Vrykul Shield training
@972 weapon ilvl
So I still consider the new relic a decent upgrade.
shut summit
Git gud and kill it already krotos
prisma crane
im trying!
we decided to reclear this wk
sooo
have to kill aggramar again
did first 9 last night
lots of fuckery on a few easy bosses...
and our dps needs to step the fuck up if we want to kill argus >.<
i'll get there though, one day... [looks off to the stars]
stark sage
starts π€
undone sun
Almost there
prisma crane
yep
warm plinth
Inb4 it's a spiked counterweight
little rain
U kno I love u but I hate u @prisma crane :(
prisma crane
lol
i just got the last bastion one yesterday
but hey, you dont have that, but you do have a nearly 5k .io score!
that's pretty badass in my book
little rain
Yea but did u c the dungeons for time trials? Rip the dream nelths 24 fort for non dk same for maw
Praise be the upper but its a ded dream bois
prisma crane
yea that's pretty shit
at least VDH also have a grip
it's like nothing can compete with that, at all
and unless it's gone, nothing ever will
little rain
Nope. Grips in general imo are dumb mechanics, mostly trivializes trash design
prisma crane
esp with how often there are melee mobs, with physical dmg range mobs, as well as caster mobs, all in the same pack
and let's mix in a few that dont even target the tank
timid jay
Remembered to save kill this time Krotos 4Head
prisma crane
lol, you have the vod?
timid jay
Yeah
prisma crane
nice!
timid jay
Forgot to save everything after AHC
prisma crane
lol
timid jay
Remembered Eonar, but cba uploading that
prisma crane
aoe fest, so boring now that shit dies so fast
timid jay
Feels like clearing trash for a while
Think I'm among the few MT's for argus that dont have aggramars conviction π
shut summit
tsktsk
prisma crane
meanwhile i use my Diima's more or less on CD as long as i have BC up when i do it
timid jay
Didnt feel the need for diimas tbh
ember arrow
@timid jay
prisma crane
it's solid dmg and tons of STR
timid jay
I had Arms loot spec after looting the cache
prisma crane
he doesnt have that trinket Lev
timid jay
Forgot to change for my argus kill
prisma crane
sitting on 12 upgrades for it
timid jay
16 weeks of argus kills later, still no aggramars conviction
timid jay
At least it brought some fun memes to the guild
warm plinth
Krotos, Argus when?
warm plinth
I might get AotC this weekend...found a Discord that does free H-Argus carries through a twitch lottery
warm plinth
I don't get to participate in the kill though π’
prisma crane
lame
timid jay
I'd carry you if you were EU
warm plinth
Yeah. I get it though; they don't want someone fucking up the kill by failing mechanics
ember arrow
if SOMEONE was eu
warm plinth
π
ember arrow
then ez
timid jay
You and me Levko, you and me
warm plinth
Krotos tried one day but my schedule is just stupid. I had a vacation day but had other shit come up I believe, iirc
prisma crane
yea that was when i got it for Cat
warm plinth
Oh yeah I forgot about that.
prisma crane
it's pretty hard to fuck up that fight mechanically as a tank
prisma crane
literally run to the bomb if you grow, that's it
ember arrow
relatable reference
prisma crane
lol yea, but she almost got it, with 15 ppl
warm plinth
Yeah they said the only people they let participate in the carries are people with mythic experience with multiple heroic kills under their belt
prisma crane
which is pretty impressive
ember arrow
oh idc about the thign itself
warm plinth
Which sucks for me because I'm not a braindead π and could easily do it
ember arrow
but the "im scared lol" part
prisma crane
she's just underconfident in her abilities is all, she's not as bad as she thinks she is
ember arrow
J U S T D O I T
warm plinth
Yeah; my girlfriend has the same problem on her healer toons
She's like panicking the entire time we're doing a dungeon, but she does a great job
prisma crane
pretty much, but you get so many ppl without any patience to allow people to just do it
ember arrow
o/
my patience
depends on the content im currently in
in lfr im the nicest person in existence
in hc i kick any dps below 1.5mil
warm plinth
I found out a couple days ago how to do less than 1.5 mil DPS on my windwalker
Just join an OCE dungeon group. Easy.
ember arrow
what do u mean
warm plinth
I get like 300 ping in OCE groups
warm plinth
Combine that with having to kill explosive orbs, and it's fucking terrible.
OCE is combined with NA
So my normal play hours are like their peak hours
prisma crane
which is hilarious when you think about it
we get better ping on EU than those realms
warm plinth
Yeah
prisma crane
but we're connected to them
warm plinth
I usually sit around 200 on EU servers
prisma crane
my buddy is around 93 in n carolina
ember arrow
easily
warm plinth
I played EU for like 18 months. I got used to the ping
ember arrow
THEN Y U NOT WITH ME
warm plinth
Because why have 200ms when I can have 50
ember arrow
aotc>ms
prisma crane
takes time, he doesnt have time
warm plinth
Because the majority of my play time is during the wee hours of the morning
prisma crane
cant join one without AOTC and like M Argus balls on your belt
warm plinth
No one is on when I am; I can barely find groups for invasions when I play lol
prisma crane
also, im used to my 9-12 ms ping
warm plinth
Yep, which is exactly when I'm online haha. 99% OCE players, 1% EST players that get up early
prisma crane
not as bad on weekends, but weekdays it's bad
junior ivy
levko were you making fun of me
warm plinth
Yeah, I play relatively normal hours on weekends but I usually use that time to get my M+ done so I don't have to do it with OCE groups.
warm plinth
He'd be too scared
junior ivy
lolol
warm plinth
π
ember arrow
im scared lol
prisma crane
he saw you and your motorcycle gang
ember arrow
languid rose
careful, the gnome might bite your ankle
ember arrow
u gonna raid mythic?
warm plinth
cat are you like 25 with gray hair?
junior ivy
what mythic boss are you on levko
i got offered a spot in a 2/11 mythic guild
but i hate their name
warm plinth
He's on Dargrul +24
junior ivy
so i dunno if i want to join π¦
ember arrow
oh i stopped raiding due to work
i was on imonar
9 hours of progress
death by bridge
copy paste x1000
prisma crane
lol
left meteor
2/11 mythic guilds at this point are probably memes
warm plinth
Are they a new guild? I'd be hesitant to join a 2/11 mythic guild at this stage
prisma crane
like some town named after a cartoon dino
languid rose
isn't 2/11 at this point "you have people to open it"
warm plinth
If they haven't made it past 2/11 and been raiding this whole time...
timid jay
Sweet summer child krotos
ember arrow
theres one on draenor here called Waifu Protection Inc
timid jay
You dont know the reference
left meteor
I can link you our guild's logs and we are 2/11
prisma crane
rofl
left meteor
You would never even think about joining a 2/11 guild afterwards
warm plinth
lol!
languid rose
well i wish my random raid box rewards were mythic not heroic so that would at least be nice
prisma crane
i prefer the mario reference
timid jay
Like super bad
prisma crane
cant be worse than the shit coming out nowadays
left meteor
S A D B O Y S?
prisma crane
that song is painful
undone sun
Hmmm
smoky oak
11/11hc>2/11m tbh
junior ivy
actually that describes krotos guild too lol but his name isnt bad
this one is like
snuffofapagus
prisma crane
that's a creature
warm plinth
This is a snuffleupagus
left meteor
11/11 hc guilds mostly just don't want to go mythic which is fine
prisma crane
yea some are better than aspiring M guilds
junior ivy
yes thats it but i thibnk they spelledit wrong
prisma crane
nope
smoky oak
yeah, 2/11 m is easier than 11/11hc to be honest
left meteor
2/11 m guilds are people that are actually not capable of being better than a bunch of mouthbreathers
smoky oak
i think a guild could easily be 9/11 hc and still be 2/11
prisma crane
thing to not forget
there's a lot of guilds that JUST started M too
so it's not the same
2/11 M starting week one is like, coma, but starting last wk, not too bad
prisma crane
a lot of guild checking is to see if they fit you personally
and it's worse because you're a girl
and kids get stupid around girls
ember arrow
π€ π€ π€ π€ π€
smoky oak
Their wowprogres,
prisma crane
i wish i was kidding
smoky oak
like 10 people left
languid rose
only says they're 1/11?
warm plinth
It's showing 1/11 on wowprogress. And they killed Garothi like 2 months ago but no more bosses killed since then
prisma crane
their last logged M kill was Jan 11th
ember arrow
what if im a girl krotos
prisma crane
ur not
ember arrow
how do u know
prisma crane
you werent born a girl at least
ember arrow
i never talked in this discord
left meteor
Not being born a girl is not a hurdle anymore today.
prisma crane
but his rage shows
warm plinth
Idk, I played Call of Duty with a girl once who raged as hard as any male gamer I ever saw.
ember arrow
im raging?
prisma crane
the most
warm plinth
You're in permanent rage status
ember arrow
i never raged here or i wud be anned
prisma crane
but fine, Levko is a girl now
warm plinth
You're like Bruce Banner. You only don't hulk out because you're always angry
prisma crane
i wont see it any other way
left meteor
But yeah, if you join a 2/11 guild you run into the possibility of joining something like this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d3LDNhg2B1nPTxQ7#fight=14&type=damage-done
ember arrow
TEHCNICALLY
warm plinth
Please change name to Levka so people aren't confused
ember arrow
u got no proof
prisma crane
lol
signs dont look great though Cat, make sure they're actively raiding, find out why wowp isnt showing a kill in 2 months
you said you trialed with them, so i guess it depends how that went
languid rose
says they killed garothi again 12 days ago
prisma crane
ah, then that wasnt logged
languid rose
with an almost 2 month gap
ember arrow
like this?
novel temple
Whatβs the best way to get a haste stat stick from the arginine vendor?
Argunite*
novel temple
All I get is mastery and some vers
prisma crane
that's beautiful Levko π
undone sun
The stat on stat sticks is 100% RNG
novel temple
Fury doesnβt work?
undone sun
Loot specs wont change that
novel temple
Reeeeeee
prisma crane
i heard somewhere that there are less trinkets as prot so ur odds go up? but idk
ember arrow
i thought arms/fury had less options
no?
for haste stick that is
at least i was told some time ago
undone sun
For general stat sticks yes, but not specifically haste
left meteor
One thing that bothers me so much is that every guild's logs I see tend to have Tanks logging grey every time.
prisma crane
yea, cant target specific secondary, but better odds for stat sticks as prot spec
yea but 2 things @left meteor
languid rose
the blood dk in that guild should find a new guild
prisma crane
one, a LOT of tanks dont care about dmg
a lot
they figure, if they live, they're fine
second, in guilds like that, a lot of times it's just a guy who wanted to try tanking, doesnt look into the spec much, just checks IV and goes with it
so many prot warriors just use HR and vengeance and indom and call it a day
true coral
What is the avoidance cap for prot warriors?
undone sun
π¬
novel temple
Thatβs for arcano
prisma crane
and yea, with those talents, i doubt i could break 800k dps
prisma crane
no, 11/10*
ember arrow
because it was a result of a conversation
prisma crane
@novel temple same principle would apply for any trinkets, less options, so targetting a specific one, provided it can drop for that spec, is more likely
ember arrow
which involved multiple people
ember arrow
ye its pure rng
some trinkets can be good, but mostly u just get crap stat sticks woth wrong stat
left meteor
Blizz should just give me Aman'Thul's already so I can swap out my 860 Arcanocrystal from 2 weeks into the expansion
prisma crane
iirc all warrior specs have readily available trinkets that are better than a base 860 arcano
languid rose
^
dark junco
^
No clue if a 920 arcano is better than a 940 memento or than a 940 chronoshard tho
I just rotate between βem
little rain
940 chronoshard is poop compared to those two
warm plinth
Don't hate on my 940 Chrono π¦
warm plinth
I mean my trinkets are shit anyway. I have a 915 Eye, 915 haste stick with a socket, and 940 Chrono
So I just roll with the stick and chrono most of the time
undone sun
935 haste stick
left meteor
I use my 995 Khaz'goroth's in place of the Arcano for ST most of the time
and my 930 Moonglaives for AoE but sometimes I'm a lazy butt and just use Arcano because why not
warm plinth
Brb beating Cosmo's log. Easy peasy
left meteor
#124 on Normal Argus FeelsPlebMan
warm plinth
Get on my level Schmidi
chilly hemlock
khaz'goroth π€
left meteor
Khaz is fine for DPS
chilly hemlock
How to reduce your raid's dps for your own parses π
left meteor
In a raid where literally no one had a Pantheon trinket anyway
Hell I don't even have Aggramar's so I'm not gimping anyone π€·
warm plinth
What are the stars for?
left meteor
Because it only ranks you after a day ends
Not sure
When you see an italicized historical rank with an asterisk after it, e.g., 93*, it means that the parse was recently uploaded and that day's historical data has not yet been computed. Within 24 hours, the historical number will be computed and shown, so check back periodically.
That's what WCL says
left meteor
Don't have to look at parses when you're #1 everywhere π€·
left meteor
Prot Warrior is the most fun I've had in WoW, granted I only started with Legion but I dread them changing Prot
warm plinth
There are a few specs I'm pretty concerned about just because I enjoy the current playstyle. Prot warrior and VDH mostly
left meteor
I never really got into a lot of specs because their feel on low item lvls is just too bad
hidden jay
whats the best type of relics to get as prot war?
warm plinth
Bastion for defense, ilevel mostly otherwise. Rage of the Fallen and the Thunder Clap trait are the best traits for DPS, and Torment/Shadowbind for T2 I believe. Master of Shadows is good defensively in T2 for the avoidance.
hidden jay
iron blood and fire relics
whats stats do those relics give im not quite there yet with antorus etc
im trying to find out what relic stats to focus on
warm plinth
Relic stats? π€
left meteor
Relics don't give stats
Relics give traits, where you prioritize the ones Worldcrusher mentioned
hidden jay
soz my bad i ment the - increase blocking , or give stamina
yeah traits sorry about that
left meteor
Increase blocking is bae
Bastion is increased blocking
best defensive option by a mile
warm plinth
Other than bastion, the only defensive trait I'd care about is Vrykul Shield Training, and I wouldn't lose ilevel for it.
timid jay
Theres only 1 relic that has bastion baseline in antorus
left meteor
Kin'Garoth Iron
hidden jay
sweet tys for your time and help π
timid jay
and thats the iron relic from kin'garoth, rest is just hoping for NLC
warm plinth
KJ has a blood one if your guild farms mythic ToS. Otherwise you're just hoping for NLC or ridiculous relinquished luck
left meteor
I am rocking a 925 Sisters of the Moon relic because it's literally the only iron relic I found with Bastion
left meteor
976, I got a 960 with Intol/Bastion to replace a 945 Vrykul/RotF
from my weekly chest
My relics are now 925/960/945
warm plinth
Not bad
left meteor
Considering my fury weapon is only 10 ilvls higher I guess
warm plinth
I have 915 iron and 925 of the other two
left meteor
Relic RNG has not been on my side
warm plinth
Would have 7/7 bastion but I picked the wrong T2 trait on one of them
left meteor
FeelsBadMan
undone sun
Rip
junior ivy
the kind of people who use neural silencers are the worst ever
who wouldnt wnana be annoyed by fun toys and stuff?
novel temple
Only communists, because they donβt get fun toys
junior ivy
waht do yoiu do when you have no melee or hunters in your group but you gotta stun stuff?
undone sun
Mythic aggramar is now my favorite boss https://puu.sh/zHSnR/1ea42f2787.png
little rain
Tell your healer to be in meele range for you
undone sun
Rolled Bastion in NLC
junior ivy
grats thyme!
upper spoke
free 110 boost: suggestoin?
junior ivy
another warrior
undone sun
Whatever you find more useful to your needs and what you want
upper spoke
yeah, but does she tank?
hollow tundra
I mean prot is op STππ
chilly hemlock
You mean that some people here actually don't only play prot warrior ? π€
chilly hemlock
I think I did one or two invasions as prot π
wild stump
on kin'garoth, for the timer of the balls on the first intermission phase generally we can be phasing it before they come out
is it a timedor dps thing?
timid jay
From what I experienced on progress its just luck if you get it or not
He phases based on his energy and you cant affect that
rugged basin
What ilvl should I be on my prot warrior for heroic antorus?
timid jay
920+ should be fine provided you play well
rugged basin
Kk
timid jay
Probably better to be higher if you're unsure, bigger margin of error
rugged basin
Well I'm 950 right now but I have kil'jaeden's burning wish and soul of battlelord legendaries.
timid jay
Should be more than fine
hollow tundra
Codex is risky AF
obtuse tiger
Preface: I main Fury. Tonight I was needed to tank a Heroic Argus. SB and IP up. . . 3 - 4 stack Scythe is smashing my handsome dwarf face to the ground. IP is around a 60 - 75% value as well.
cinder nova
Really? I get a pretty strong sum of healing/absorbs
Especially on high activity fights where tanks are constantly taking ticks
Like vari
obtuse tiger
Bastion is only 4/4. It is a weak OS with my weapon only being 73.
hollow tundra
Well codex is proc based on damage taken
And it doesnβt proc that often on ST fights, and you cant rely on it as a DR
cinder nova
It made up like ~11% of my healing on M Imo
cinder nova
~ 60M more healing
obtuse tiger
My tanking trinkets are only an 870 Crystal and 900 DMF.
cinder nova
60M extra HP/absorb and I only took 243M
I'm not banking it as a BIS, but it does seem to really fill in the gaps.
obtuse tiger
It was the 4th stack that was doing the damage if I didn't have my IP in addition to SB or a casting Fury.
timid jay
With only 4/4 in bastion its not surprising
modern tapir
Hi guys, quick question, which enchant should i pick for Prydaz for tanking and playing arms at once? Soldier/Claw/Satyr?
timid jay
With it being a offspec, probably worth it to start chaining CD's at those stacks Sajakain
Getting 7/7 bastion asap would help immensely as well
obtuse tiger
Alright. Just making sure there was nothing else I could do. Appreciate the quick response, Cosmo.
timid jay
If you're getting smacked, outside of better gear/ more CD's not much you can do
undone sun
Well first we don't have the correct APL in the default simc so it'll give improper results
But other than that, with a somewhat proper apl, it has been working fine
warm plinth
@timid jay Not in other Discords π€ ugly blue text in blood Discord
prisma crane
@timid jay asking me to not beat your logs? I think your numbers are safe lol
undone sun
Lol yeah i tried tonight but no luck
prisma crane
my average is decent, but i think i've lost nearly all of my top 10 logs
so many ppl farming now
and i have zero dmg T2 NLC π¦
undone sun
Bumped mine up from a rank 15 to rank 8 on argus Β―_(γ)_/Β―
prisma crane
nice!
deft sapphire
Did you wear kakushans this time?
final mist
undone sun
But i'm pretty sure it was the pull where i realised i was about to pull off my cotank right as i popped battle cry
So i had to hold off
deft sapphire
Thatβs a losers attitude
undone sun
But the truth
deft sapphire
I assume you donβt have to do orbs
undone sun
Correct
prisma crane
are you first tank at start of P3?
undone sun
No
prisma crane
yea i think i need to be second
because otherwise im dead too long
but with our dps, we get enough orbs where i've been at 1.4m when he first hits 40%
1.65m at 70%
some day ill get that kill
my money is around 950k for dps
maybe 900
sick sentinel
if im off tanking for m aggy, should I rock khazgoroths for the extra raid dps
prisma crane
it's less dps
aggramar's is better
ur talking about the pantheon right?
it has half proc rate and half proc dmg for tank specs
sick sentinel
use aggramars
round vortex
Need ideas for prot warrior video guide / demo etc... anyone got a topic they want done?
jade socket
@round vortex possibly a mage tower guide for returning players
round vortex
Thatβs a good idea. Iβll do it on a guildies Warrior since Iβm done
old zephyr
When si it worth to replace my 970haste mastery belle with thundergod (replacing my lego legs with 940)
prisma crane
i mean
you dont chose legos based on ilvl
so if the belt is better, use it
which is most scenarios
the legs are amazing where they are used well, but those arent super common
sick sentinel
well... thundergod is extremly strong once u face 2-3+ enemies constantly .. wont mind ur offset pieces too much
AOE= go belt
Rest what Krotos saidπ π
prisma crane
π JokeZ
sick sentinel
Whats ur other legy ? If u wanna drop legs for belt as stated?@old zephyr
old zephyr
I have twf Γ©quiped and prydaz, and insigna
prisma crane
yea go with belt and TWF
old zephyr
Okay, switch back to legs for vary dogs and coven ?
undone sun
Not needed on hounds or even coven
old zephyr
I like to be able to reflect both second and third blazing strike What CDs are you using for them ?
undone sun
Nothing for first, DS for second, SR for third
prisma crane
for coven? IP for first and second personally
and yea SR for third, if i had legs i'd go to 4
i should add that there's no reason to do that though
on mythic the only time the bosses need to actually even be traded is by the 3rd time they swap out
sick sentinel
I mean..besides TWF is better on paper there is nothin wrong with legs on Coven hc .. they work .. but they arent as strong as a new prot tends to think about them
If there is no noticable downtime on active tanking the legs dont give u more than +1 SB&SR on the whole fightlength
old zephyr
Okay i'll bag my amazing non leg belt then
sick sentinel
Save it for ur upcoming ST gear π π
old zephyr
St ?
sick sentinel
= single target
old zephyr
Oh single target Yeah
prisma crane
i use belt on ST a lot
sick sentinel
Kaku/bracers .. then ur offset belt can shine
old zephyr
Yeah as tu soon as I get one of them
sick sentinel
Sure Kaku/Belt on ST dps too.. so belt is pretty strong as u see
Ur offset belt is used ST defensive only. Sadstoryπ
old zephyr
Also how good would be kaku + twf would that be too much rage ?, would kaku +belt output more dmgs ?
sick sentinel
Ofc more dps with belt .. lower DS cd ... DS gives u +25%(?) dps on affected mobs
prisma crane
depends
well
TWF gives you more rage so more CDR
but belt gives STR
ring doesnt
at 1k ilvl
you have a solid belt though, so it's rough
but with belt you get a lot more times where DS and BC align
old zephyr
I suppose i'll have to bash some dumys to try this out
sick sentinel
Is it rly that close on ST? π€ hum.. but yeah, maybe.
Regarding toplogs u'll often see Kaku/Belt or Kaku/AHR for maxdmg. output
prisma crane
i dont see AHR much anymore, but yea
sick sentinel
Some Kaku/TWF in there too iirc
old zephyr
Currently my only dps lego (aside from insigna, ehhhh) are twf and thundergod
sick sentinel
True that AHR shifted out last few month
sick sentinel
π
undone sun
Bracers on argus and agg are pretty unneeeded
dull coral
What trinkets should I run for mythic antorus?
undone sun
sick sentinel
whats about insignia? should also be seen more on logs now, eh?
undone sun
Have always been dependent on your t2 traits
sick sentinel
Ofc, ok lets boot this Laptop and have a look
Look, Thyme is still living the AHR dreamπ
Lul...current Garothi hc toplog definitly evolving new metas
Gj on this one! Props dude π π
undone sun
Lol, likely bugged out the combat log
proper pecan
@prisma crane link ur logs plz
warm plinth
Only things you change for defensive vs offensive is usually trinkets or legendaries. Talents don't change based on offense/defense.
sick sentinel
Im swapping in bracers here an there, but i dont think they gimme much on multitargets burstdmg.
warm plinth
Bracers are the best defensive legendary in 99.9% of cases. Combine that with belt and you got a strong setup
sick sentinel
Sry for that unspecific questioning @warm plinth π yeah..i mean legywise
Yeahyeah...i know ...the hps and stuff
But bracers provide kind of static slowheal. I dont think my healers had big trouble on that issue.
warm plinth
Bracers are pretty bursty around the BC/Demo shout window, since you're spamming SS and generating tons of rage that needs to be dumped to prevent overcapping
sick sentinel
Thats why i tend to focus more on migation with smth. like legs or stuff oftenπ€ was just curious how u feelin about
warm plinth
If your healers aren't having trouble healing you, there's no reason to go more defensive anyway
sick sentinel
And if i should give bracers some more love
sick sentinel
Hmhm.. maybe its just me π bracers one of the last legys, didnt play them much
warm plinth
I still don't have them
ember arrow
wrsits are mostly best against EDIT: constant dmg
i like it on fortified high keys where ur meleed constantly
but theyre not as useful on bosses with singular hard hitting abilities, like maiden was in tos, because urr overhealign all the time outside damage taken windows
PK is good for wrists, garothi isnt
for example
sick sentinel
Yeah. I got u boys! I'll value that beautys out again π
Im cool with them for most ST fights, just curious on AOE
ember arrow
aoe i tihnk theyre shine really well
sick sentinel
Yeah ..higher key packs got some scary burst potencial now and then i need to deal with.. for constant hps they are set no matter what ofc.
ember arrow
i usually use LS during intercept
when pulling a pack
before u can build up IP u are vulnerable
that metigates that, and it makes ur wrists heal more, since ur hp is bigger
(my LS increases my hp by 100%_
LUL
sick sentinel
Brb..Kindergarten time π
ember arrow
hm?
sick sentinel
Just catched up my lil boy there.
Yeah.. i dont use that Last Stand pulls often cuz im barely running m+ w/o warbringer
Enough time to built up with on initial stun
But thanks for conclusion @ember arrowπ
unborn island
Do you guys think it's reasonable to try and join a high ranking guild as a casual member because it would lead to better opportunities to run M+ with decent people or perhaps edge into a mythic alt run/something?
Most of the people I'm friendly with in my current guild have split from it due to politics, so I'm looking for a new home. Was going to try just joining one of the really good guilds on my server on that basis (if they take people like that)
ember arrow
i think that could work
highish raned guilds generally have all the people they need for mythic
but its a good idea to join and do some m+ or for altruns
unborn island
Yeah - I obviously wouldn't be putting myself up for joining a full on mythic team (I can't commit to the times) but I would probably enjoy not having to dread it every time someone asks me to do m+ with them π
sick sentinel
I mean .. u dont have to be a hanger-on of a myth team to have decent m+ players on ur friendlist π€
I for myself came to the conclusion that its definitly worth to hang around with ppl u can stand (no matter their progress), instead of focusing on pure progress opportunitys and hang around with dickheads in Teamspeak
unborn island
guess I could do a combination - freshen up my friends list and try join a nice guild
sick sentinel
Thats been said u can actually have alot of fun and aktion in a totally messed up HC run other than on dickheads mythgrind
unborn island
That's true I guess, but I literally only pug, and having cleared heroic ever week I'm kinda bored of it, I enjoy WoW as a way to relax, so I won't unsub, and I hardly play a lot just looking to surround myself with decent players so that I find it easier to find M+ groups when I am online etc
sick sentinel
Up to what ur searchin for π indeed there also alot of funny myth guys u can feel good with too shrug
slate obsidian
do I need a CD for the first charge of smashspite on +23 or is max IP enough?
slate obsidian
hmm, guess I should've looked into the blockable damage sheat...
unborn island
Unless you're talking about the dude in CoEN, in which case you will just die either way I think
slate obsidian
nah the guy in BrH
unborn island
I always get the names mixed up
sick sentinel
Or just sidestep the CoEN oneπ€ π
slate obsidian
trashbite was clearly not moms favorite of the brothers
sick sentinel
Well, not sure ..he got a room for himself at least 
Other one is doomed on balkony forerver
obsidian siren
How many healers would you bring on M imonar progress, 5? 6?
sick sentinel
depending on your healers
we killed it with 6 but we had 3 holy priest so we it wasnt best comp
obsidian siren
3 HP π
sick sentinel
yeah dont ask why no one knows
dusky sedge
960 dogs neck or 960 vari neck?
sick sentinel
vari neck
dusky sedge
cheers π
sick sentinel
if ilvl is same for necks and rings go for higher haste without lowering your mastery and versa alot
halcyon sentinel
Alright folks, I swapped druid for Tomb of Sargeras because Warrior sucked dick
Apparently, warrior is best for Aggramar Mythic
What changed in the last 2 tiers for warriors
timid jay
Since tos not much tbh, got another great tier set
halcyon sentinel
Yea, the new tier looks pretty nuts
Ill look over the notes, but is it true u can practically solo tnak aggramar because of how insane block is ?
ember arrow
tos was good for warr?
quiet delta
perma 88% block dmg reduction sounds awesome ^^
with legs+HR should be more or less perma
timid jay
Tbh, 100% mastery is total overkill
slate obsidian
your mastery doesn't reduce the damage from blocked hits, it increases your critical block chance
timid jay
If you decide to take more than 5 scythes in p3 you'll just kill the raid instead
light fulcrum
Why does it kill the raid?
light fulcrum
Ah okay. Never looked at Argus mythic π
halcyon sentinel
What are the best trinkets from Aggramar Mythic
timid jay
Depends a lot on what you're doing
quiet delta
oh
I thought to get mastery capped was the way to go for argus mythic , didnt knew about the spawning orbs either
timid jay
There are no adds on mythic
shut summit
Mastery capping is for if you aren't able to manage CD to live scythe, it's 100% pointless otherwise
(And it isn't hard to manage, really)
quiet delta
well if u can't manage cds what u are doing on argus mythic then, so i guess always pointless xd
shut summit
Yup
halcyon sentinel
The 2 big adds on transition
quiet delta
meh it is just always fun for me to try to cap something or get excessive amount of one stat , like twinking, etc. and finally thought this was an opportunity but meh guess again not
sinful vortex
how many tanks are usually used for m aggramar? including the blood dk grippers.
just wondering if i may need to tank it, since we're starting aggramar this week
untold needle
whats easier to pick up the heavier it gets?
timid jay
3 tanks is the common strat nowadays from what I've seen
1 tank + double bdk makes it a lot easier
sick sentinel
Whats the anwser @untold needle?
untold needle
Women
sick sentinel
Cant imagine shit...lul..okay gz made my dayπ
untold needle
big whamen duck good sick they think its a chickenwing or something
sick sentinel
Damn german translation is a bit lackluster on this
Sometimes i wish to be an american, just for the simple language π
ember arrow
RESPEK WAHMEN
prisma crane
we actually 4 tank M Agg since neither of our main tanks is or has a BDK
our first kill was with 3 tanks, 1 BDK, but adding the second one just made the last phase so much easier to manage
timid jay
Wow
shut summit
Same
sick sentinel
i dont know aggramar M but isnt that problem for enrage using 4 tanks
that boss also needs good amount of healing if im not mistaken
slate obsidian
it needs a lot less healing if you have 2x vampiric aura...
and tbh it's very easy to meet the dps requirement nowadays as you outgear it hard
hazy umbra
Hey Guys ! I was wandering how does strength increase your damage as a tank ?
prisma crane
it's still not the easiest to heal, we did have 5 healers, one was offspec so last night was rough
but yea, enrage can be an issue, but it's so much less stressful in last phase with the double BDK
if ppl stay alive it's not a problem
delicate coral
just like @hazy umbra said, where can i read up on stengths template for scaling in attackpower
timid jay
@hazy umbra Increases your attack power which means all your abilities deal more damage
delicate coral
but the data for it
timid jay
1 STR = 1 AP before mastery
hazy umbra
Ook
timid jay
The formula for all abilities can either be found on wowhead or through a spell query with SimC
hazy umbra
So more strength = Mastery value increased ?
delicate coral
https://puu.sh/zIf7g/9eb8dc7bab.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423625672494284800/423880337551261697/unknown.png
like here
this is with KJ's equipped as a prot
timid jay
Yeah Β¨
delicate coral
on the second slot
timid jay
Mastery increases AP as well
timid jay
Mastery isnt the best dps stat most likely
hazy umbra
PersonnalitΓ© i prefer haste ;)
timid jay
Especially if you have that high
daring aspen
what about mastery as dps?
prisma crane
for dps or as dps warr? as dps warr you'd have to check arms/fury, i know it's great for arms
delicate coral
i guess i need more haste then?
im pushing damage with prot, not survivabillity atm
prisma crane
generally speaking, once you've passed the haste threshold for your 2pT21 (for offensive only) mastery and vers are roughly equivalent for pushing dmg
hazy umbra
I kinda teased him to do so xD
prisma crane
if you want more dmg skarp, you want more vers atm
but that said, if you drop ilvl to do so, it's probably not worth
fleet galleon
Not to mention strength
timid jay
Easiest way would be to sim it
fleet galleon
APL is up and running?
delicate coral
https://puu.sh/zIfvJ/171791e09f.png i guess my haste loss isnt enough?
prisma crane
you shouldnt be aiming to lose haste
prisma crane
and how did that affect your ilvl? (STR)
delicate coral
nothing
hazy umbra
I mean on single target i deal easily 1.3 m
delicate coral
swapped a ring
hazy umbra
And i sim around 1m
prisma crane
then you're probably a bit better off
the sim isnt perfect, but it's a lot closer
and what fights are you easily doing 1.3m?
fleet galleon
Logs pls
hazy umbra
Any single target fight ^^
prisma crane
hazy umbra
Yep I'm on it
That's argus normal
That's vari hc
Im on third place
(only french player for vari)
timid jay
Easiest way would be to make a decent APL and sim it
timid jay
Action priority list
hazy umbra
No
ember arrow
to do max dps u press revenge over IP
prisma crane
im also assuming that the sim doesnt account for T2 and you have ttw and shadowbind
hazy umbra
Depends on damage takenn
ember arrow
if u mean surv then its 100% PROactive
hazy umbra
Y ofc
ember arrow
dicksize comparison
timid jay
That looks like a suboptimal APL or no boss enemy that deals damage
delicate coral
@hazy umbra show them that chinese warrior
who """cheated"""
which pretty much means you dont need to take more damage to deal more dps
prisma crane
well, you do get more rage which is more CDR
which is faster BC CD
and
you sim over 1m
hazy umbra
prisma crane
and ur argus one was with insignia
hazy umbra
Yep !
delicate coral
Look at this ^
hazy umbra
Changed my relic since
Insignia not worth anymore
User to have 2 torments of the weak and 1 shadow thing
I'm not on tank/dps gear on the sim
prisma crane
yea
prisma crane
yea same