heal after killing something?
#protection
prisma crane
yep
prisma crane
lol
timid jay
Yeah they are amazing, don't work in Mt though
junior ivy
i used to keep them on my bar over with my mounts and toys
winged marsh
biggest reason I want a lock in all of my keys
winged marsh
lock rocks are insane
tame sleet
ok thanks for tips fellas
junior ivy
whats Mt?
junior ivy
ohh
prisma crane
i find myself using lock rocks more to heal the lock than to save myself...
winged marsh
haha ok fair your a tank tho
I play fury in high keys
something sneezes on me I do
prisma crane
yea for sure as DPS
winged marsh
die*
prisma crane
but usually for prot, unless it's grievous or something, i'm either fine or dead lol
dawn remnant
so9 with other words more blocking and swap bosses ?
prisma crane
well
wild sandal
would eye of fharag do more dps than kingorth trinket, since it has alot of strength, and kingoroth trinket gives me 4% more haste
dawn remnant
witch is ?
prisma crane
the maws
wild sandal
ok thank you
dawn remnant
okay will try
prisma crane
corrupting maw on shadow dog and the burning maw from fire dog
dawn remnant
okay
prisma crane
if you block all of those, the only dmg you really take is from the dot, which is incredibly manageable
prisma crane
i'd also recommend using SW or SR for when the purple orb is out @dawn remnant
and you can use SR to mitigate dmg from the maws and the dots
junior ivy
i have a good WA for maws that plays a sound and puts a little warning 3 seconds before it hits you
if you want it
wild sandal
i think DBM does that
spiral cipher
ugh - i need to go back to tomb for my heroic shoulders >< just finished reading thru the pinned stuff
dawn remnant
i mean might help so why not
prisma crane
@spiral cipher dont go nuts trying to do that, but it's def worth doing just to see how much rage you can actually get
spiral cipher
thankfully i have all other 5 pieces so i can still do 4p / 2p - just won't be optimal.
untold needle
is there some kind of macro that lets a spell hit any target in range eventho i target a party member?
autotarget > spell basicly
restive scroll
prisma crane
usually best to tie it to a focus so that you can change who the @ is a lot easier
spiral cipher
Depending on what it is I prefer mouseover or @cursor
spiral cipher
Is there a reason the alch stone isn't included on the trinket list, or is it simply that bad now by comparison?
round hornet
you can, its a good STR stick and vers uptime is hella high
timid jay
Its good yeah
round hornet
at 1k ilvl especially
gloomy light
@timid jay at 965 is it better than DMC:I
rancid pier
dawn remnant
are gloves and belt good for like 18 plus M+'s or ?
long bronze
Prot Legos are situationally depended but yeah those two are very good
Particularly for damage
prisma crane
in M+ you use it primarily for the dps it provides @gloomy light
long bronze
Dependent hurp
prisma crane
if you need pure physical dmg reduction, the DMD still wins, but i can't tell you the last time i've used that in any M+
dawn remnant
hmm okay
dawn remnant
so then what should be used for spell dmg ??
prisma crane
usually you just play around it, like proper interrupts and usage of SR
can also use arat's in select cases
long bronze
Codex works well against magic damage
But it's rng. It'll look good on meters but doesn't mean it's helping you a ton
I use codex diimas and panth on trash in m+
prisma crane
can also try to use absorb trinkets like reliquary from ToS or more recently OP the Titanguard from Aggramar
dawn remnant
okay thx
i have bin in here since the start and i have played warrior tank for a long time but i find it nice to learn more and more everyday seems like i am still far behind on most of the warrior tanks
junior ivy
i still learn new stuff about warrior tank almsot every day thanks to this discord lol
muted ruin
getting back into prot warrior, never really raid tanked before and a bit nervous about it. is prot still not in a great spot or are we doing okay?
prisma crane
we're just a punishing tank class to play at the moment, very strong when played well but face plant pretty hard when mistakes happen
@muted ruin actually same answer to you as above
junior ivy
zelathoal heroic or mythic?
dawn remnant
yeah i can see how that works @prisma crane
long bronze
It's very proactive and you need to know the fight well
But when you do warrior is very effective
prisma crane
it just takes practice and you'll find you dont even need to play "perfect" but once you get the rhythms down it's not that bad
that's also the first time in ages i've spelled rhythm correctly first try....
dawn remnant
😛
muted ruin
don't think my tank will really touch heroic, not really in a guild. just never done even lfr and etc. and fair enough @prisma crane but it's the only tank that i seem to like haha.
long bronze
The blockable and spell reflectable sheet in pins is probably the most important thing to know for prot warrior
dawn remnant
and yeah it seems kinda hard but i geuss i should put more prectise in it and do alot better in being pro active and whats my BW timers
junior ivy
aw youll do fine in lfr and normal lol
prisma crane
@muted ruin it's all i play and I'm almost full cleared mythic, we're definitely viable and i love it, but we're easily suitable at nearly everything except for very high M+
dawn remnant
watch*
muted ruin
I don't know. I just like smacking people with a shield as a main rotation and like blocking and so on. I've tried other tanks but they all felt a bit boring. But I'd be keen on doing like the m+ and some raiding stuff. Probably the biggest thing is don't wanna be scared of trying out tanking haha. I have the talent ring and the walls fell and only 915 but I wanna get into it a lot more. Sweet as @prisma crane also thanks for the replies as well.
and I love the prot warrior mage tower so it's a big plus for playing it haha
junior ivy
are you on us alliance?
muted ruin
i'm on horde oce atm but thinking of changing to alliance
junior ivy
oh i woulda done a m+ with you i love little baby tanks 😄 lol
muted ruin
i'll probably be switching today, just haven't got around too it or thought of a race to make it 😛
spiral cipher
I love blood elf horde. I miss arcane torrent so much. I play human on alliance cause 2% secondaries ^^
Anand rep
prisma crane
she's going to suggest gnome, fair warning
junior ivy
😄
prisma crane
but yea, it's a lot of fun atm, especially once you have 2p T21, shield slams for days
junior ivy
always gnome.
junior ivy
yessss
prisma crane
you just made a new best friend lol
junior ivy
i love gnome and i love gnome tmog but i got no love in trial of style 😦
so many people were cheating 😦
prisma crane
inb4 nurfed goes alliance with gnome only requirement
lmao, world top 50 with gnomes, would be amazing
junior ivy
oit sucks that only 2 healer classes can be gnomes
i wish gnomes could be druids that turn into baby animals like bear cubs
and kittens
junior ivy
its monday and i havent even done my key yet
ive done other peoples but not mine
i better do that today
upper kara 18
prisma crane
it's not a bad week for that key
junior ivy
i cant wait for 2 weeks from now, it's g onna be a great week for pushing keys
prisma crane
only "difficult" part is the worms after mana worm boss since you can pull so many
yea, big push wk
prisma crane
aka backpedal wk
junior ivy
ill work on my m+ score a lot
try and hit 2500 at least
the week after isnt too bad either.
even though its tyrannical
round hornet
might as well shoot higher for push week 😃
junior ivy
i might try and get every dungeon on +18 or higher
thatd be quite a task
i currently have three on +18
well, two +18s (1 chestr and 2 chest) and 1 +19 (no chest)
glacial vale
Gonna push for a 4k score that week
junior ivy
wow good luck
glacial vale
Should be fun lol
placid harness
hey guys, trying to gear out my tank on my warrior and this guide says i should use 4 pc t20 and 2 pc 21, is that accurate?
even in heroic antorus id want that old t20 shit?
round hornet
if your only doing heroic theres nothing that hurts enough to matter tbh
to require that much surv
placid harness
got it, the only t20 stuff i have is from LFR so i was hoping i wouldnt need to wear it
but just to say i wanted to try out the 4 pc / 2 pc setup, even if its old LFR ilvl gear, i wouldnt like get one-shot by dogs or something
clear sapphire
I do mythic (still working on aggr) and haven't worn t20 for 1-2 months. Don't have an issue surviving anything.
placid harness
alright thanks. ill just stick to the 2pc 21 i have and try to up my ilvl in other places
spiral cipher
@junior ivy if my druid could be a gnome i'd shell out some monies for it. ^^
clear sapphire
I'd still do that for zandalari
prisma crane
@placid harness you by no means need it, but if i'm honest you should at least try it just for fun
it's pretty nutty CDR via AM
placid harness
ya i will, im qued for tomb LFR for the head piece i need
prisma crane
it's also only its strongest when dealing with heavy consistent dmg
(PK, Imonar, maybe dogs)
lean fern
Is it me. or do i feel prot is all about predicting the damage coming and if you dont you're dead
i've came to several situations where i'd have SB downtime and with a big cd up. and get clobbered
or just get CRUSHED and die to stuns
round hornet
@lean fern a lot of tanks are "supposed" to be like that
the point of active mitigation is that your supposed to press your buttons ahead of spikes in damage
junior ivy
yeah i realized i cant afford it lol
i had 200k
i bought geosynchronous world spinner and that
heres how a worgen sits on it
heres me
my feet barely reach lol
im standing up! i cant even sit
prisma crane
that's actually awesome they did it that way
vale gorge
Base cost for the warframe is 500k, but you can't buy it until you're exalted, so in reality it's 400k
timber acorn
is riftworld codex good for prot warrior in m+?
vale gorge
Since you'll always have the exalted discount when you buy it
timber acorn
or darkmoon trinket better?
prisma crane
it's 500k
fleet galleon
I have a feeling it'll change from volcanic cos remember they changed a necrotic week to volcanic. I suspect it'll become Sanguine Necrotic Fortified
prisma crane
625k when not exalted
fleet galleon
Mobile lag means I'm about half hour behind lol
prisma crane
all good
fleet galleon
Was talking about affixes a couple weeks from now
prisma crane
@timber acorn they have very different uses
you'd use codex in heavy aoe situations, but other alternatives are better for pure dmg or for more surv
old zephyr
I got my first legendary log perf today rejoyce my friends
prisma crane
dmd is used for phys dmg reduction and often doesnt find itself a place in M+
grats Sav!
timber acorn
thank you
ancient ore
whats the talents and legendary for warriors is it still the same?
undone sun
Bracers/gloves/belt, soul is dropped twf is upped
prisma crane
3,2(3in M+), 1,any(use 1 w/ T20 though),1,3,1
i dont think i could've written that any more confusing
warm plinth
Nah, probably not.
warm plinth
Oh shit he's going with graphics.
prisma crane
swap insp pres for safeguard and probably bounding stride for crackling thunder in M+
im gonna have to make images for a few scenarios...
warm plinth
Nah man, you gotta stick with Turbo Dwarf Leaps
ancient ore
Ty
junior ivy
warrior tier transmog set for tomb of sargeras includes a rare boe ?
seriously?
omg
jade socket
prisma crane
you need a better server
which difficulty set are you looking for?
im glad i bought mine before ABT came out
prices went up
though that's why i bought it when i did
wintry furnace
Guh. I need my 2set to keep my sanity intact. I could Probably do Kruul, but with my Shitty Legendries and no 2 set Its just grating. I'm just not good, or fast enough.
junior ivy
im working on heroic right now
theres not many sets left that i need
41/48 collected
clear sapphire
@junior ivy got that dreadnaught from naxx?
wintry furnace
935, But I've got No 2set, Bunny hop shoulders, and Grand army ring. And thats it @warm plinth
junior ivy
yeah i got it
warm plinth
Should still be able to do it. I did it at 929 with wrong talents, no tier (T21 didn't exist yet anyway) and I think I was using Aggramar's and TWF at the time. Timeless Stratagem is actually not a terrible legendary for that fight.
wintry furnace
My Problem is I;m just not fast enough I guess? I either Get him down to 6% and die, Or I dont even make it to him. I keep getitng stuck in his stomp I think, Even though It's supposed to knock you back?
warm plinth
It doesn't knock you back
wintry furnace
The tooltip says it does, thats why I was confused.
warm plinth
Hm. Yeah idk, I don't recall it knocking me back. I just saved heroic leap for that and leaped out of it before it tore me apart. Key in P2 is to spell reflect reflections and use orbs liberally, especially after the stomp if you get stuck in it. If you keep moving, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting out of it
wintry furnace
Yeah. I guess I'll keep trying it. Should I save shield wall for the third, or fourth Anahilate?
warm plinth
4th. I don't even think I used a CD for the first 3. Just Shield Block
You can use orbs to interrupt it too if you get too behind on damage
prisma crane
@junior ivy he's talking about the original naxx set, but the sets that you can't get anymore arent included
junior ivy
ohhhhhhh
wintry furnace
I GOT THE FUCKER
junior ivy
i heard you can buy it on BMAH?
undone sun
Correct
undone sun
Very expensive though
prisma crane
also, it's amusing that in your screenshot it shows 41/48 but there's 13 incomplete sets shown
warm plinth
Congrats Taezilyn!
junior ivy
really?!
weird
i never noticed
oh i think the 7 i need are 7 tiers
but each tier has 2-3 options
for normal, heroic
casue i need these too
prisma crane
your realm is dead so you have a decent chance of picking up T3 at a moderate cost, but for all 8 items you're looking at probably over 10m gold on a server like mine
junior ivy
wait does thatr count, if you get it on an alt?
wintry furnace
prisma crane
yea it counts
junior ivy
grats!
prisma crane
as long as it's not a tier set or something your class cant use
undone sun
Appearances are account wide
prisma crane
i found out that even pvp elite sets arent toon specific, which is odd
im fine with it, but was surprised
junior ivy
hmm id ont evne have any plate alts lol
prisma crane
my second one is horde
wintry furnace
I have four. Cough
prisma crane
since i wasnt going to faction xfer my main and had ppl that wanted to raid
wintry furnace
Though the one that just got the shield is the highest gear.
prisma crane
so i leveled it fast
junior ivy
i rarely hear about people having more than 1 of other classes
but i come across people somewhat regularly with 2 warriors
prisma crane
pvpers do it a ton
sharp dew
There was a rogue who had 9 rogues in my old guild, was bad at all 9
prisma crane
lol
warm plinth
I have 2 110 monks, a 110 and 109 warrior, a 110 and 101 paladin, and two 110 DKs, among other 110s lol
junior ivy
hahaha
warm plinth
Currently leveling a third monk too
warm plinth
Yeah, I think I have like 19 hours of the buff stored up on her atm.
junior ivy
i wanted to get my priest from 80 to 110 but apaprentlky you cant level via dungeons anymore
only questing
and questing is sooo boringf
warm plinth
You can level via dungeons. It's just not quite as fast as it used to be due to the scaling
junior ivy
i did all of loremaster last year, and i never wanna do quests again now
prisma crane
lol
sharp dew
T21 2p T19 2p for the god combo if you want legy gloves slot open? If all the tier was same ilvl
prisma crane
for the mdi? prob
sharp dew
That’s what I’ll probably run, trinkets are the main variable
prisma crane
that shivermaw's
and glaives
but i heard they may limit ilvl on old gear
because of how bad that was to have everyone not using current shit
sharp dew
If I remember right shivermaws doesn’t put other actives once right?
undone sun
Don't think diima's does either
sharp dew
Other actives once, come on phone on CD not once
prisma crane
lol
sharp dew
Only thing for jawbone is the active dmg is really low compared to diimas
shut summit
sharp dew
But the vers is Juicy
undone sun
Yeah, definitely worth using
Buff other trinkets, doesn't trigger CD so you can use two on uses
sharp dew
Hart and unbridled fury incoming boys I’ll represent
undone sun
👌
sharp dew
Haft
prisma crane
lol
topaz ember
when all my vers buffs pop at once at the start of a fight its just crazy and somthing im going to miss
prisma crane
no 
?
sharp dew
LOL yeah that might be the better option
prisma crane
them group heals
undone sun
🤢
sharp dew
In all seriousness EN had some god tier tank trinkets and dps trinkets
prisma crane
yea
sharp dew
Only problem is survivability isn’t going to be a thing so there’s no point in ichor or satuette
prisma crane
960 cradle would be pretty nice too
topaz ember
i had a 920 cradle back in tomb when a dps didnt want it just gave it to me and i was in love with it
sharp dew
Good question, probably not though because legendaries are set to the same ilvl as the gear as well
sick sentinel
whats better for prot dps verse or mastery ?
sharp dew
Last time was mythic ToS and the gear was 935 with 965 weapon, so going off the same rules, 965 gear with 995 weapon this year
undone sun
Mastery
sharp dew
Krotos/thyme either of you have alpha?
sick sentinel
so haste/mastery for big prot dps
undone sun
@sharp dew not yet
@sick sentinel after strength, yes
sick sentinel
hmm ill just use my Master-Haste gear so i dont have a bag full
undone sun
Simming is getting much closer so when that's available you'll be able to get personal stat weights to get a much more accurate representation of your better stat
prisma crane
I do not have Alpha 😦 just found out my coworker's husband got it though... he plays maybe once a month
so that's nice
undone sun
Rip
prisma crane
yup, valuable info they'll be getting from that guy
sharp dew
Think an Engine from ToS could be an option or nah cuz of proc rate
prisma crane
as a tank, no
it's so rng even as dps
better off with a flat stat stick scaled up if they sell them on that server
see if you can get a 960 dmd ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
wintry furnace
So I didn't even really think about it, But I have three "tanking" Trinkets, Of even Ilevel, Phantasmal Echo, Riftworld Codex, and Imprenatrable Nerubian Husk. Are one of those worse than the other two?
undone sun
Codex and delete the other two
prisma crane
^
prisma crane
buy a dmd for prob dirt cheap now
it's certainly better than nothing
and better than those other two
sharp dew
Dmd 960 would be yummy, the husk I’ve never had but people say it has a bad proc rate or something
On paper it should be our bis if it had good procs cuz haste armor
wintry furnace
I mean, The husk seems to proc decently enough for me.
prisma crane
but you only have peak armor for 1 sec
wintry furnace
True.
sharp dew
Ah yeah I haven’t even read what it does in a long time so I don’t remember
wintry furnace
Stacking armor, then it falls off.
prisma crane
i had to do the same lol
sharp dew
It does?
wintry furnace
It's based off of AA So yeah
undone sun
Even when they tried to "fix" that with carapace it's still shit relying on procs
prisma crane
less useful in raids than M+ then
undone sun
DMD is consistent
wintry furnace
I'll probably take a peek at the Ah when I get back to it and see what they are running. They upgrade with old Oblit and nothing further right?
fleet galleon
Correct
sick sentinel
hey guys
anyone could answer that if is it worth it to use TWM ?
i mean im having difficulities with my rotation, also, when DBM shouts xx-DEFFENSIVE what should i do? burn all of my deffensive abilities, or just one?
undone sun
Likely just one, but it depends on what it is
and i assume you mean TMW in the line, it's useable and user friendly but usually Weakauras will provide better results
sick sentinel
im always writing TWM instead of TMW xD
im using tmw on my monk tank, but just for tracking the stagger
so, how do I no which spell should i use on bosses? lf for guides ? or ?
left meteor
Generally you wanna use Shield Slam
sick sentinel
as a deffensive ability?
left meteor
Oh
As a defensive you have to consider the ability
For example on Aggramar you really wanna just Nelth's Fury for Foe Breaker
sick sentinel
so i have to look for guides about the dungeons and raids
left meteor
Generally you can look at the pins, there's a "Spell reflect spreadsheet"
undone sun
Also covers blockable damage
left meteor
it will tell you if abilities are physical, magical, blockable, reflectable
Yeah
For example if something is blockable Nelth's Fury is good because it guarantees the crit block
Which trivializes some mechanics (like Foe Breaker)
sick sentinel
pins? where?
left meteor
Assuming desktop version look to the top right, there's a little pin
undone sun
📌
sick sentinel
im a bit new to tanking at all, just left my bw monk at there because i wanted to gear my lock
now i boosted my warrior somewhy, wanna play fury mostly, but for leveling i started playing as a prot
and i am a maximalist, so im trying to make it the best as i can, and actually i like it
even i am not generating that much threat on lvl 103 :D, and i am running all way around to get the trash together
left meteor
I also levelled as prot because it was super chill.
undone sun
Main source of blocking, yes
sick sentinel
talking about the reflectable things
on google docs
what are those numbers?
Fel Bombardment - 8.7m/5s
undone sun
Blue is magic
Brown is physical
left meteor
8.7 million damage over 5 seconds
undone sun
If it's blockable it says blockable if not it's not, same goes for spell reflect
left meteor
To be determined
undone sun
To be determined
left meteor
We don't know ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
english is not my main laungage
Fusillade - 2m * 4
so, 2mill * 4 times
it means 8 mill at total?
left meteor
yes
left meteor
Well you can't reflect
sick sentinel
oh, reflect isnt like block?
left meteor
Reflect reflects ALL damage back to the attacker
so if a spell is reflectable and you reflect it you take no damage and the caster takes it instead
undone sun
Reflect has two functions, Reflecting 100% of the damage and 50% magic DR
If it's magic damage and doesn't reflect, you take 50% less damage from that ability
left meteor
^
undone sun
Everything that is blue, is mitigated by the 50% damage reduction of spell reflect
there is no 100% reflectable ability in Antorus
left meteor
There are those really juicy ones in dungeons though, like Ymiron, Medivh, Domatrax
undone sun
Yup
left meteor
Domatrax is pretty badass
sick sentinel
what do u use then?
undone sun
Bigwigs
undone sun
Shield block
sick sentinel
got no clue how do yo ucall them in english
well, as far as i know we got 4 spells?
as deffensive
sb, the spell reflect, the artifact wep
undone sun
Shield Wall, Last Stand, Demo shout, Shield block, Ignore Pain, Spell Relfect, Nelth's fury
sick sentinel
so far, if it is reflect/blockable i use the two main spells, and if not i use the rest
right?
undone sun
Not as simple...
you want to use shield block for important, blockable abilities but being our active mitigation you want it for when you're actively tanking. Ignore pain is our biggest HP buffer and increases our Effective Health Pool (EHP) significantly so you also want that always up for when you're taking damage
sick sentinel
do you know bw monk?
undone sun
As for major CDs like Shield wall, Last stand, Etc. that's dependent on how hard hitting the abilities are you would likely combine it with SB for physical and SR for magical
A bit
ember arrow
if u use TWF, and AM
sick sentinel
so kinda like ignore pain is like the stagger brew
undone sun
In a way, yes
sick sentinel
could you use the full name @ember arrow? 😄
timber nest
sick sentinel
if ur devastator is passive, whats ur filler spell?
undone sun
We have no filler
sick sentinel
so, i keep doing basic attacks
timber nest
@undone sun would u run that haste neck over the 960?
undone sun
Yes
timber nest
im using the 960 vers/mastery one right now
but i like how haste feels, so im wondering if dropping 20 ilevels, but gaining a socket would be worth
ember arrow
20ilvls on jewelery is an upgrade, everything i know tells me
left meteor
I'd wear the 940 one probably ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
i guess heroic throw could be made as a mouseover macro?
ember arrow
@sick sentinel #showtooltip Heroic Throw
/cast [@plush sunuseover,harm,nodead][@fluid parrotget]Heroic Throw
did i jsut tag 2 people?
ayy lmao
undone sun
By now mo and tar probably have a dozen pings a day from not properly encasing code in a text block
🤦
final mist
Not apostraphes, the one next to the 1 key.
left meteor
To come back to the case of 960 vs 940 socketed neck:
The 940 neck has 93% of the secondary stat budget of the 960 neck, but the stats on the 940 neck are generally more desirable (exchanging mastery to haste)
sick sentinel
what does those tags, harm and nodead mean btw?
ember arrow
target must not be dead
left meteor
The ` are next to the ß key
left meteor
harm is if the creature you are targetting is considered "harmful"
ember arrow
@left meteor #showtooltip Taunt /cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][@target]Taunt
can also for taunt
i just copy pasta my own
sick sentinel
sweet
left meteor
Since you tagged me instead of @sick sentinel let me enlighten you
left meteor
I had a yell bound to Battle Cry for a while
ember arrow
me too
hot topaz
Hey guys, I've been reading around and I wanted to know if Mannaroth's was still worth using with T20 4p/T21 2p or if I should switch to belt and Walls Fell?
left meteor
Doesn't help that I used to mash BC 4 times when playing Fury
ember arrow
wrists are ALWAYS worth it defensively
undone sun
^
sick sentinel
how do you use macros with texts btw?
like i wanna do a yell with my mouseover taunt how does it look like?
left meteor
So it would yell "My penis is of an adequate size" four times in chat every 30 seconds
hot topaz
kek
undone sun
Unless it's for varimathras, bracers are always bis defensively regardless of tier
hot topaz
Aight so wrists stay on then
hot topaz
I use the belt for AoE and Walls Fell for ST, that sound about right then?
ember arrow
also have things my char says if i do a killing blow
5% chance
and big shaq when i receive BL
u know
memees
sick sentinel
how do you use macros with texts btw?
like i wanna do a yell with my mouseover taunt how does it look like?
left meteor
Gloves are generally considered better than TWF unless you really need the Shield Wall CD I believe
ember arrow
depends if u need defensive benefits of setcombo
and what ilvl ur t20 is
compared to everything else****
hot topaz
T20 is mostly LFR stuff but the rage generation in my experience has been worth keeping
left meteor
I cast off the T20 pieces for that mad DPS benefit
T20 is only really worth if you would die without it
undone sun
Me neither
ember arrow
t20 must be around 960
fo me to use it
in aperfect world, where all pieces are 985
undone sun
Definitely not worth dropping for dps
ember arrow
i owuld wear t20 4p all the time
hot topaz
Ok my T20 is an average 910 but my T21 pieces are an average 920 lol
I have a mix of LFR, Norm and Heroic pieces
ember arrow
then actially
its good
with only 10 ilvl difference
really good even
but when u start gettign 960+ gear
thats where the consideration begins
hot topaz
I don't have a Heroic guild and pugs won't take me at 950 Fury
I've gotta work with what I've got sadly
ember arrow
u on EU or murica
ember arrow
no not america
hot topaz
US license but OCE player
ember arrow
Murika
i mean start own pug
usually is the solution
or get afriend to do it, i asked becaue i thoguht maybe start on my alt hc clear 😛
hot topaz
Fair enough
left meteor
It's like 3am in EU so it's unlikely there are many more EU plebians like me.
left meteor
O/
I finally get to play WoW without regrets again so I should get my weekly Argus kill in tomorrow
ember arrow
@hot topaz 950 is definitely mroe than enough to do hc so i wouldnt keep myself from doing so
hot topaz
I have 9/11 H exp but pug groups in US are really stingy about high iLvl recs or AOTC for it
So yeah I may start my own pugs lol
left meteor
Yeah it may be a pain but just opening a PUG once should at least give you the achieb
hot topaz
I'm running Booming Voice and Anger Management though, should I run with the belt in ST or Walls Fell>
ember arrow
even with their "epic 12/11 mythic 980+ group"
belt in ST still reduces cd of DS soemwhat
unless u really want the additional SW
can still use belt
left meteor
I believe Belt is marginally more DPS than TWF for single target
undone sun
I mean twf is still mainly used for the extra rage on SS
left meteor
Or so I've heard.
little rain
TWF grants 0 bonus dmg, is a ring so no bonus str from inflated ilvl and gives a ton of crit.
Belt gives bouns str by comparison, has haste main stat, and a benefit to dps through more demo shouts
hot topaz
Shit like this is why I've kept the T20 4p on though
left meteor
TWF grants bonus damage through excess rage reducing BC's and DS' cooldowns.
little rain
I wouldn't qualify TWF as a dps leggo.
left meteor
Definitely not
It does have SOME benefit to DPS though through interaction with resources
ember arrow
what do you mean?
undone sun
🤢
long bronze
we tried the 20 seat
was top kek
got the first boss to 30% and was like nah
he also really really loves to run behind you when you try to position him
super annoying
left meteor
Every time I look at my WCL I am reminded that I am a pleb-tier player FeelsBadMan
left meteor
First thing it shows is Mythic, where my Best Perf Avg is 60.2
long bronze
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself if you are progressing
100% more important to play well defensively than offensively which is the only thing wcl cares about
left meteor
Every rekill of Garothi feels like progress LUL
long bronze
🙃
shut summit
😬
left meteor
I don't know how many Felhounds wipes we had before our first kill last Thursday
It was definitely way too many
ember arrow
every wipe is an opportunity
round vortex
We just culled the first 5 bosses from our raid. After killing Garothi and Dogs on Mythic in 2 attempts we going for more. (1 night raid guild) Now our raid is like: Imonar thru to Argus on heroic then whatever Mythic prog we can fit in lol
copper ridge
What bosses do you guys recommend the pants on
round vortex
Varimathras only lol. Dogs if you struggle to block all the Maw's
undone sun
Agg if you're solo tanking taeschalach stacks but that's pretty niche
I wouldn't recommend hounds
copper ridge
Okay tyty, ik var wondering bout others
astral badge
A little confused about how the argus trinkets work
i have a 1000 il Khazgoroths, and a 940 Aggramars. Whats better for damage as a tank?
so confused.
astral badge
Works for me! i'l equip agg till khaz is high enough
dim token
do u guys use an IP wa? im trying this one
but im not sure if its a good one https://wago.io/IgnorePainBar
undone sun
Yeah it's a good one, hamsda is very reliable
dim token
thank you. i created my own SB/SR bars that tracks only the duration so i just need an IP one now
good 😄 ima run a dungeon and get myself used to it , thxx
celest gate
astral badge
blackjack and hookers?
placid harness
Does prot warrior struggle on heroic hounds if he's not high ilvl?
round vortex
@undone sun @copper ridge Agree regarding the wouldn't recommend them on dogs. It's only if you were struggling with that ability alone. I personally run gloves and wrists 😃 Or Gloves and TWF if we have our 5th healer.
placid harness
Alright. Switching from DK and gearing out a warrior. 2 piece t21 and Lego wrists / ring. 935 ilvl. And being told by people that I'll just get one shot by dogs so I wanted to ask
Appreciate the reply, look forward to this week
undone sun
Block maws, use cds for high stacks if it's needed SR included
placid harness
You can shield block maws? Or so you mean ignore pain bloxk
undone sun
Actual shield block
placid harness
Cool thought it was magic damage so it wouldn't block
dim belfry
just looking over the trinket post. i dont see the epic tanking trinket from argus. is it not recommended?
dim token
i need to tank for my guild until we get a new tank, which are the hardest bosses for a warrior tank? ive been studying every boss but im not sure which one actually hit hard 😮
proper pecan
No one hit u if u block
undone sun
There aren't really any major problem bosses specifically to warrior, if anything coven maybe but more than manageable with CD usage around fiery strikes
King's tank hit isn't blockable but is mitigated by armor and it's usually covered by IP unless you get bad bombs
dim token
ocaasionally i get randomly 1shotted in m+s 😦 im worried i'll hinder our progression
dim token
yup , its usually me not using spell reflect
undone sun
@dim belfry it's not really a great defensive trinket, procs aren't reliable and it's mainly for the raid benefit (assuming you mean aggramar's conviction)
dim token
thanks i'll look into fiery strike and forging strike
dim belfry
cheers dude
sick sentinel
@dim token dogs was hard for me in the beginning but like everyone said use CD and you will learn which one works better. Getting the 8th application with MaW one shotted me a few times if you dont have a CD up
dim belfry
another q if u had 900 darkmoon/910 arcano and recently acquired 945 eye of shatug, do you replace the arcano?
warm plinth
If those are your only three options, and you want more damage, then yes.
In the str/armor form
dim belfry
defensively what combo is the best? ty
warm plinth
Darkmoon and Arcano, or Arcano and Shatug for magic heavy fights
dim belfry
ty
junior ivy
i might try elv ui.
warm plinth
I can't even fathom the number of addon conflicts you're going to have with that.
junior ivy
yes im scared lol
timid jay
ElvUI ontop of all your current addons? 👀
timid jay
😓
Probably not, but there will be a lot of conflicts most likey
And generally just bad performance
warm plinth
Honestly, if you're going to do that, disable every single other addon. Load up ElvUI, get that set up, then add the others back in one at a time if they're needed. ElvUI covers a lot of shit.
junior ivy
should i still use titna panel
warm plinth
No, ElvUI has data panels
timid jay
Oh god
warm plinth
I didn't even think TItan Panel still existed
timid jay
My cotank
warm plinth
Titan*
undone sun
😬
timid jay
NotLikeThis
warm plinth
I mean...he's not using Indom at least? 😅
timid jay
Also using CoF
warm plinth
Maybe he figured Ravager was good for arms so it's good for prot too?
junior ivy
does elv ui have a WIM-type thing built in?
warm plinth
Idk what WIM is
undone sun
No it doesn't
junior ivy
me tooo
warm plinth
What in the world is WIM
junior ivy
undone sun
Warcraft instant messager @warm plinth
junior ivy
this is WIM
undone sun
Popout for whispers
junior ivy
puts your PMs in their own windows
warm plinth
Idk. If I got enough whispers where them being in the main chat was a problem, I'd probably just have them open new tabs.
junior ivy
i always have lots going lol
warm plinth
How many messages do you think you send every day that say "im scared"?
junior ivy
probasbly 2-3
junior ivy
any time im about to start a m+ i say im scared
warm plinth
I'd whisper you if I was on EU Cosmo. Sweet nothings
deft sapphire
That doesn’t instil confidence in your m+ group
junior ivy
thats the point, i dont want them to get false hopes
warm plinth
Not to mention, if you keep doing dungeons successfully, why are you still scared? 🤔
junior ivy
i dont want them ot think itll be a clean easy fast 3 chest run
i wanna lower their expectations
deft sapphire
No you pull everything. Then when you pull a little too much you say my bad lul
warm plinth
Hahaha I've literally done that XD
warm plinth
"Whoops, guess I was a little too confident there"
timid jay
I thought all tanks did that
warm plinth
What that message actually means is "whoops, thought you guys actually did good DPS"
deft sapphire
The best way to tank m+ is to always pull too much!
timid jay
Hell I made it to SF by pretending to know stuff
warm plinth
We know Cosmo; but your personality sells it.
timid jay
I thought thats how you tank, pretend to know wtf you're doing and blame healers if it goes wrong
warm plinth
That's how I tank ¯_(ツ)_/¯
deft sapphire
Tanks have it easy. You play like a dps and if you die it’s the healers fault. When melee dps die people just assume you stood in stuff
warm plinth
Yeah, tanking is actually the easiest thing in Legion. Either it's the healer's fault, or in the case of a big trash pack, DPS why aren't you interrupting
junior ivy
tanking might be easy but its kidna stressful cause if you mess up, everyomne knows
if dps messes up, no one notices
timid jay
The value ravager on arpund 8 targets
warm plinth
It seriously did 1.3 mil on 8 targets?
deft sapphire
Oh Cosmo turns out ravager is better as lowest priority possible filler on st
It’s a dps loss to use it before bc and line up intentionally
undone sun
Lol
timid jay
nice
I mean, its just a straight up dps loss to probably use it if you have something else off cooldown
deft sapphire
Yeah
timid jay
Wonder if it beats devastate on aoe even
deft sapphire
It’ll beat devastate
Surely
But then you’ve taken ravager and not taken devastator so
timid jay
If you take ravager
I dont trust them to select devastator
Also, I got the random warrior to change talents
Small victories
junior ivy
i remember hgow much convincing it took for me to finally get devestator
i was soo attached to indom
ugh
deft sapphire
I’ve stopped trying to give random warriors advice in wow
undone sun
^
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dim token
Is shield slam our only decent ability to kill fel explosives 😨
I only switch when I have slam procs :0
timid jay
Yeah
Revenge and TC dont deal damage to them
Its only auto attacks and shield slam that we have that can hurt them
trail flume
just curious if anyone can help me out about how large an ilevel gap would there need to be for me to drop 2p t20 for regular mythic antorus gear
timid jay
For only t20 2p, I'd not value it high at all
trail flume
ok thanks
timid jay
The big synergy is between t20 4p and t21 2p
Outside of that, unless your t20 is high ilvl I dont see too much of a point in keeping it
daring aspen
Nostalgia
spiral cipher
whelp - tanked all of normal for the first time tonight - picked up the aggramar conviction trinket and the grand army ring. hopin to see some more lewts next lock out ^^ crossing my fingers for some tier to rock that 2p / 4p
timid jay
👏
daring aspen
@timid jay what does aggramars conviction do?
daring aspen
Wtf worse than nazishrine
Expecting binkenstein to walk in with his cap on any second now
timid jay
I mean, you could ping him. Doubt he'll be happy about it though
daring aspen
Ill just get banned again for putting a nazi cap on his avatar in paint
slate obsidian
wtf is a nazi cap, put a proper swastika armband ffs
timid jay
I wonder why 🤔
dry crane
Ravager Bladestorm like a good warrior tank, only crit/mastery gear
Oh wait what expansion is this
timid jay
expansion
dry crane
What’s the status of Heroic Strike in prot warrior rotation?
timid jay
Smh
undone sun
🤦
daring aspen
Into the fray on argus mythic?
timid jay
Looks like #protection is gonna beat #fury on EU hours today Thyme
undone sun
Smdh
dry crane
If you run ItF and Ravager wouldn’t have the problem of not dying when you’re supposed to 🤔
timid jay
No, I'd have the issue of dying to auto attacks
dry crane
Can’t win them all
timid jay
Did you ever try not rolling off aggramars platform?
timid jay
Better than KJ? 😏
timid jay
Gotta be hard to keep track of the knockbacks when you're trying to keep IF up
dry crane
Tank life is too hard for us mere plebs
timid jay
Most things are hard for you
timid jay
😂
warm plinth
Just did the arms challenge. Super hard 😉 Outgearing DPS challenges is pretty entertaining.
gloomy light
🤔
slate obsidian
lul like outgearing the protwarr challenge is any less entertaining...
warm plinth
Idk I was 929 when I did it but didn't have any tier or any decent legendaries, so it wasn't a faceroll completely
Took me like 11 tries I think
placid harness
Yeah with less gear you just have less room for error. You can rely on victory rush by breaking the ice and getting extra hp
Last phase was down to the wire too cause of lower dmg
warm plinth
Yeah the only part I really struggled with was how to kill the adds in the 2nd phase
placid harness
I think I would've lost that phase If not for a potion of the old war. Literally ran out of space and was in the blackness as he died
warm plinth
I bet. I'm bad at arms so I got closer than I should have
placid harness
Not really a skill thing . If you simply don't have the dmg to effortlessly two shot the adds then it requires a cool down you can't use on the boss
Wonder if the fury one is as hard
warm plinth
Yeah I didn't use any CDs on the boss except for Avatar. Saved BC, Warbreaker and Bladestorm for adds
placid harness
You guys think it's ok to try and start tanking dungeons and normal antorus with an underleveled weapon but 940 I love?
I lvl*
warm plinth
How underleveled?
placid harness
It's like 64
warm plinth
Oh, you mean traits wise
placid harness
Yeah
warm plinth
Yeah, you'll be fine
dim token
Yea you’ll be fine I did it with worse gears
light fulcrum
I did hc with 66 Traits and 941 gear. Its possible
vale gorge
My brew cleared h antorus through Vari with like a 910 ilvl, at 940+ it'll be a cakewalk
unborn island
People were clearing it week 1 with sub 945 gear, now that it would just be the tank who is lower geared the dps/heals will be able to carry much easier
olive steeple
what ilvl would be enough to make the protection mage tower smooth?
unborn island
Because of the way the debuff from the green stuff works, it's never 'impossible' to fail it, but I'd think with 2p T21 and ~945+ ilvl it would be pretty damn easy.
that ilvl+drums you could burst the first dude down pretty fast, 2nd guy is kinda trivial at that gear level provided you spell reflect twisted reflection
west bronze
910 is really doable if you know what you're doing
crisp slate
Assuming Shadow Singed Fang has reduced proc rate for tanks?
west kayak
@crisp slate Aye, that it does.
vale gorge
I first did it at around 910-915, didn't have bracers or prydaz yet either
If you have the T21 2-piece and gloves, you'll wreck him even in the low 900s
fathom gulch
so i was reading the guide on prot warrior and it says it doesnt recommend devastator without the vengeance talent. however im not fond of the revenge weaving and i have looked at the top protection players and they are also using booming voice instead of vengeance which is what i currently use. is going this route really so terrible?
fathom gulch
ah well i was reading icy veins
primal crypt
Rip me.
fleet galleon
Got a 960 crit heavy ring. Vendored instantly
sick sentinel
well its good if it procs
primal crypt
doesn't replace my 950 chrono shard
sick sentinel
sometimes it doesnt proc at all tho really annoying
primal crypt
the ppm is so low
oh well...guess it'll just sit in the bank 😦
dont feel like vendoring a 980
primal crypt
eh?
timid jay
You have reset on tusedays, EU is wednesday
prisma crane
welp
not the upgrade i wanted
and, Cosmo already knows im NA
lol
but it's a good one regardless
primal crypt
@prisma crane what did you end up getting?
prisma crane
i am now officially 3x mos / bastion
got a blood relic w/ mos again but this time it had bastion
and toughness, so i lose rotf and stb
primal crypt
titanforged at all?
prisma crane
no, i never get TF ones unless it's some crit>vers PoS
primal crypt
sounds about right
prisma crane
so no ilvl change but i get to take 25% less dmg when i crit block, so that's pretty nice
prisma crane
yea, once we someday kill argus i want all shadowbind and rotf and ct or bastion
junior ivy
time to check weekly chestttt
stray hemlock
got a 970 armor % relic. but doesnt have bastion so rip me
prisma crane
what i really need is a new helm, mine is still 945....
have a 950 ring
and 955 boots
junior ivy
ok i got a minor upgrade
sort of
965 boots
no haste though
old boots were 960 with haste
these ones arer vers/mast
primal crypt
I'm just happy Sense is qualified for the MDI
junior ivy
old ones were haste/mast
prisma crane
what's ur haste with teh new ones on?
junior ivy
lemme see
primal crypt
representing all us Prot warrs
prisma crane
Mighty did as well
junior ivy
itll be low cause its only 25 with old boots on
timid jay
Should probably have tried to qualify
stray hemlock
oh is he ?
timid jay
🤔
primal crypt
I didn't see mighty in there
junior ivy
22 with new boots
stray hemlock
i might need to watch then
timid jay
Most guildies answered that they could do it if I went on my DK
prisma crane
eh, for prot warriors it's mostly jsut for fun on the realm, no chance in winning
timid jay
So I kinda went fuck it
prisma crane
they have a few28s