yup
#protection
junior ivy
ancient ore
can i see what a gnome looks like with it
junior ivy
tbh i forget what it even is and how to find it
i never change my transmog lol
but tel lme and il ltakre a screnemshot
do i gotta go to skyhold?
ancient ore
XD
ancient ore
thats so dope
prisma crane
👍
ancient ore
how are prot warrior in antorus
final mist
Races don't matter, so choose whichever you look the best.
And Warriors are pretty good, we do a lot of damage and don't take much because blocking/IP are powerful.
ancient ore
i havent touched my prot warrior in over 3-4 months
due to no internet
was told to play different tank for antorus
my warrior is 918
junior ivy
do you plan on doing antorus mythic or just heroic
winged marsh
gear would be the only thing holding you back
ancient ore
just heroic
junior ivy
i can only speak for heroic but like ... we do absolutely fine in antorus
my guild has 2 prot warrior tanks
winged marsh
mythics fine too, warrior tank can really shine on some fights too
absolutely fine for heroic
sturdy sable
Yeah my guild just downed imonar for the first time. I soloed tanked the last 20% on a 958 warrior
Made me appreciate prot
ancient ore
whats a good way to getting my ilvl up
winged marsh
at your ilvl the raid is
languid rose
should be more proud of your healers, end of imonar is random damage to raid members scaling with tank stacks
livid hatch
What's the best way to deal with the magic damage coming from hounds?
maiden ravine
ewww, aggramar's stride
I mean it has a ton of stats, but eww
I guess it isn't that bad to be able to run fast haha though warriors don't really struggle with movment
maiden ravine
either they've changed it or I just got really lucky getting my hidden prot appearance first time I check
fathom gulch
tanked normal argus on my prot warrior tonight went well loving prot warrior so far!
maiden ravine
its fun eh? So much screaming
fathom gulch
did heroic hounds of sargeras that was tougher we didnt finish it unfortunately they had me tanking the red hound and i hadnt done the fight lol he hit me for 9.3 million becuase of that fire bite ability
dense salmon
For prot mage tower, is aggaramar and prydaz decent?
or should i use KJ or insignia instead
undone sun
not terrible, insignia entire depends on your t2 traits, prydaz might give you a better defensive benefit from the shield and a slight offensive benefit form the stats
round hornet
@livid hatch you can block their attack
will reduce your damage taken a lot if you pay attention to it
topaz sparrow
Whats the BiS defensive leggos? Still wrist + TWF or am I not informed?
sick sentinel
bracers/gloves/belt
dusty gyro
Imagine if they made Dragon Charge a baseline ability for Prot
That'd be the most fun shit ever
topaz sparrow
Aight, is 4set t20 2set t21 still good or just go with 4set t21?
maiden ravine
arms took me far longer than it should've but done
now for the only one that really matters, prot haha
sick sentinel
@topaz sparrow it depens on bosses and your ilvl combo is good if you need the survivability from it
but after certain ilvl you wont need it at least for most of the content so you can go t21 4pc
or t21 2pc if you want most offensive option and equip higher ilvl for other 2 pieces
maiden ravine
holy hell is prot easier, I just have to be calm on the last phase with the infernals, but does varis have less hp for warriors or something
sick sentinel
mage tower challenge?
maiden ravine
yeah
sick sentinel
well prot has one of the highest damage potential so you will have easier time and we have high mobility with leap and charges
maiden ravine
yeah, I'm getting that. It just feels a lot easier than BrM and guardian, and being able to spell reflect twisted is OP
sick sentinel
hello , stat priority for resistance
maiden ravine
Warrior done! 14/36 now
soft yew
is the Walls Fell ring worth it ? especialyl w 2pc t21?
maiden ravine
I wish we could use the challenge mace with the hidden shield haha
upper violet
yeah walls fell is pretty good when using t21 2pc
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel you go for ilvl but if items are same ilvl haste>mastery=versa>>crit
old zephyr
@fathom gulch @livid hatch
Hounds are one of the thoughest boss on antorus for us prot war
You can Block thé maw (and you have to) I usually respec to indomitable for them
ember arrow
no
noooooooooo
its really not tough
and u never swap to indomitable for anything
u make urself squish
use legs if u got trouble
all it is is using SB to block maws and chaining cds at 5+
sick sentinel
only boss that is though is imonar as i know but i only saw first 8 bosses of mythic i dont really know about last 3
but dogs are not hard for sure
old zephyr
@Levko#1865 What legs ?
sick sentinel
legendary pants
shield reflect reduces the damage you take %50 because maw deals magic damage
and its also blockable so you will have really easy time with dogs if you use pants
but its not necessary
old zephyr
Yeah I might have had trouble Because I did not have Great legs at the time
quartz tulip
ember arrow
- means u loose hp
if u use vanilla UI and use "what happened to me", u will see for example
u see blocked and absorbed damage as seperate
@quartz tulip Ignore pain coutns as heal and will show up as green floating number
junior ivy
is all of NH m,ythic 1 tankable?
sick sentinel
nah. isnt rly
sick sentinel
depends on what ur raids sustainability is i guess 😛 krosus solotanked could hurt a bit
sick sentinel
ProtSlouch incoming
junior ivy
about to pull skorp lol
we only have 2 healers too
casue it was on auto accept
and filled with dps
sick sentinel
if raid dies and they kick u just get a coffee or smth. 🙂 brazilian flavour tastes gud!
tbh only krosus and guldan rly "need" that 2 tanks
maybe its helpful on bota and starboy too .. but wont mind it too much
junior ivy
im just worried bout how good these dps and heals are
sick sentinel
starboy could be interesting solotanked 🤔
junior ivy
since the pug was on auto accept
sick sentinel
luls - ye its even less a problem then
u can definitly tank it solo till trilliax wipes
😃 gl!
junior ivy
thanks lol
ember arrow
NH?
nah
i dont talk about that shit
anymore
as far as im concerned trial of valor was followed by tos
sick sentinel
junior ivy
i loved NH though 😦
ember arrow
i dont play dps
junior ivy
was my fav raid this xpac
sick sentinel
just did my firstkill on Guldan M 30mins ago 🤔
freakin monk was jumping around doing all the work .. easy sunday morning 😎
wintry furnace
So I've got a question about Kruul. There are some fights that I make it decently far, and some I die almost instantly.. Is it the aura that the inquisitor has? The fight would probably be pretty easy for me if I could find out why It just seems to be a Random chance of Just dying
sick sentinel
notice we got 5 pm here. more like a gamers mornig.
ember arrow
@wintry furnace it stacks, reducing ur max hp every time
unless u step out
its not random
u gotta step out at 5 ish stacks, and use orbs/SR to metigate dmg of the magic spell he casts
wintry furnace
So I guess it's just Im letting it stack too high, then getting comboed.
ember arrow
yea
sick sentinel
makin it feel random is maybe the difference u feel of eating his cast with highstacks or not
u can always interrupt, stun, spellreflect .. or even run out of range to avoid his cast
which rly hurts with 5+ stacks
wintry furnace
Ironicly, I think It's the Ghost things more than him Killing me.
sick sentinel
yeah they can hurt too 😃
wintry furnace
I made it to Krull himself once. I think I would have gotten it if I didn't pull a dumb and put my back to his Anahilate thing
sick sentinel
interrupting them right after they finished their cast does make them to NOT recast it
wintry furnace
Long as I pay attention I can transition with only 1 infernal
sick sentinel
u should always focus on that if u cant burst them quick
sick sentinel
infernals just ignore and sidestep
keep eyes number low helps alot
charge and tc or smth,
wintry furnace
Yeah, My pattern is kind of: Dps mini boss, Clean up eyes/ghosts, Go back to mini boss.
sick sentinel
u got 2p t21?
wintry furnace
I don't
sick sentinel
its a lot of ST dmg.
wintry furnace
Yeah, Best I can get is just resets.
sick sentinel
how far u get him down atm ?
wintry furnace
I've gotten to Kruul Once, but I get the inquisitor down to like. 5-10%
sick sentinel
alright
common way to go is to burst Variss with prepot and CDs ...till like 6 stacks
then stun/interrupt ..run out ..reset stacks
sustain kill him and p2 ideally with all CDs up and open with BL
if u get out a good burst and keep stacks around 2-3 after should be doable
wintry furnace
Yeah. I wish I had better legendaries but I think I could do it.
wintry furnace
Bunny hop and Grand army
wintry furnace
I've got mobility XD I just wish I had more time, Gotta go to work soon
sick sentinel
yeah i did some fancy stuff while magetowering with my druid offspecc
that goblinglides back into fight tho .. i definitly had some fun on this encounter
wintry furnace
As long as my mouse listens to me, I can quick hop back if I ever get knocked away.
sick sentinel
=)*
sweet egret
wintry furnace
That's not an arms warrior.
sweet egret
yes it is
sick sentinel
VIELSEITIGKEIT!
ember arrow
GESCHLECHTSVERKEHR
ember arrow
i much rather be called KRIEGER
than warrior
our playstyle ism ore blitzkrieg than anything
but will change into Sitzkrieg in BFA
sick sentinel
my stormbolt > burst strikes in BG got some serious Blitzkrieg flavour yeah 🤔
junior ivy
how do mythic nighthold lockouts work
i jsut did first 2 bosses with a pug
and left cause it was a disaster
can i start my own pug tomorrow?
for the rest
junior ivy
so i cant be leader?
sick sentinel
oh just read up that bfa sheet Sense posted .. it was like i read a grave talk 🙂
ember arrow
nothing
unless ur with same group leader
as u were now
and he is RL aswell
otherwise u cant join other NH mythic groups, if u do, u will be kicked out of NH mythic when u neter
enter
sick sentinel
catfriend u can indeed open a group for NH M tomorrow
junior ivy
i can?
sick sentinel
if .. noone of the group today did kill more bosses
junior ivy
thats not what levko said
im vonfusedd
lol
oh the group fell apart
its okauy
it was so bad
sick sentinel
and if the RL from today dont want to play this ID further
upper violet
oof
sick sentinel
thing is .. all of u 20 guys are locked on same instance-ID now
if anyone of u manages to kill another boss .. it will be dead for the 19 others in that ID
sweet egret
if none of the people u were in group with kills another boss u can start a group tomorrow with 19 new people
and continue
sick sentinel
so if the lead from today doesnt open another group and plays that ID on .. u can feel free to use it
junior ivy
hm okay
sick sentinel
in official terms they say: "u have to ask the RL of this ID if its ok to use it or not."
something like that
cuz u can actually fck up his ID now
what u cant do now is joining any other groups with different ID
junior ivy
okay i understand
sick sentinel
so u have to built up ur own .. with either ppl from today ..or ppl without ANY id on it
junior ivy
thats kind of annoying
sick sentinel
thats kinda myth ID ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ember arrow
yay
PK hc
instawipe
no imps died
i was happily tanking fire dude in portal and WHOLE RAID got nuked
junior ivy
in a nh heroic pug now and 10 out of 17 people died to trilliax first beam
why are pugs so baddd
ember arrow
because people in hc pugs are often the ones who play once a week
or dont watch videons of boss fights
sounds familiar...
hmmmmmmmmmm
junior ivy
i immediately regret wasting a bonuys roll on tichindrious heroic
winged marsh
tryna get the tmog?
ember arrow
@sick sentinel nah challenge was completed ages ago
its just shit
one of the worst things about legion for me
sick sentinel
would have totally fit prot if t21 would have been a thing back then 😛
junior ivy
yeh tmog
sick sentinel
idk - i kinda liked how it actually was a challenging thing to compete. even if the tuning was ultrawierd
take my love Blizz
and all my money
ember arrow
it didnt feel like tanking challenge to me
i was not protecting noone, nor tanking really
vehlen was completely useless
and if taking some dmg and dojng a dps race is tanking challenge
than a dps is a tank
sick sentinel
yeah .. and all the indom/stamina tanks had to learn about dps 😩 😥
sick sentinel
but yeah i got ur point. Healchallenge covered the role a lot better.
ember arrow
idk, i dont play healer nor dps
but tank didnt feel like tanking
it felt liek sometihng u do when ur farmign content
focus dpsing
sick sentinel
could have imagined something similar for tanks maybew
sick sentinel
ehm .. tl;dr: healing ?!
u got a NPC group
Tank, Meele, Ranged iirc
and need to manage heal-CDs, self-CDs, positioning, kiting, cc & interrupts
- some other phases after that i dont remeber anymore .. was some soloplay with healdps and survival
but whole thing had a nice design - i liked it
sick sentinel
well... that whole rolephantasy thing is an interesting issue to discuss. i dont rly think blizz is doing a bad job there.
ember arrow
a plate wearing dude with a shield
sick sentinel
but they have to struggle with some serious issues on this xD
ember arrow
that he uses as a dps check
sick sentinel
i mean ..there are sooo many points on this
ember arrow
what do you mean?
sick sentinel
look what responsibiltys ppl are takin in m+ for example
the whole Self-CD thingy is clearly not a tank specific thing to care about
sick sentinel
nor is DPS a only dps thing
ember arrow
everyoen must be a dps
and do max dmg
to make timer
if u got rewards for specific objectives
sick sentinel
sure thats the timer thing
sick sentinel
but good groupplay isnt just: 1 is taking all the dmg / 1 is healing all the dmg / 3 are doing dps
sick sentinel
the responisbilitys shift alot, which is gud
sick sentinel
with soaking, kiting, etc.
ember arrow
or heal spec
why isnt warr just "warrior" class
if u do all responsibilities
legion greyed out spec roles and that bothers me
raiding its fine
m+ not so much
sick sentinel
tbh i think its the only way to go
ofc u need to get things in shape a bit .. but these overlaps in ur role keep things flexible and enjoyable
ember arrow
i play tanky chars in gfanasy (d&d, divinity etc) to protect others
and feel invincible
if tanks did -0 dmg in wow
id still paly them
the pala talent "aegis" where u put a shield and protect everyoen behind u
is what i imagine a tank job is
idk the exact name
why cant bliz balance their m+ that 3 dps is the requirement to do them in time
prot warrior has no way to actually protect others
except if u take safeguard talent
paladin is closest thing to a tank in my mind
with party buffs and bop and the magic bop
sick sentinel
maybe its a subjectiv preference thing .. but i DO rly enjoy that tanks arent capped on tanking dmg./migation only
i do like that role diversity
ember arrow
i dont mind tanks doing dmg, or having dmg focused talents
but to make the "tank challenge" literally a dps challenge
sick sentinel
I like that bruiser style .. would be odd if BfA totally turns that
ember arrow
i always said that 2 tanks generaly do the dps of 1 dd
but now i outdps dps sometimes
in m+
5 prot warr dont die to mechanics, dont need ehaling
why bring dps in first palce
sick sentinel
that walking on the edge thing is what makes tanks so fun to play .. "can i afford that dps?"
i like it alot
sick sentinel
it me or u baby - get it on the floor style
ember arrow
my cotank monk doesnt kjnow how to pause stagger so i get this
tame sleet
what am i missing about mind rend in the damn challenge? it wipes me out no matter what i do
upper violet
dont take too many stacks
ember arrow
or ur not using SR vs it
tame sleet
i read 5 stacks. maybe i need less
ember arrow
5 is good
upper violet
use SR
sick sentinel
u can stack them as high as u want - just dont get hit by mind rend then 🙃
interrupt/stun/outrange .. or use SR
try to burst him and stack high, then avoid and reset.. maintain 2-3 stacks after
gl! 👍
tame sleet
starting to get the hang of it a little more i guess - its about consisntantly killing adds to keep health up via impending victory
i think thats been my big issue
warm plinth
Good idea to not kill eyes unless you need a heal. Just be mindful of them so that you don't get knocked
sick sentinel
if its magic heavy fight they are shit against that
warm plinth
Antorus has been a nice raid for us. All that juicy blockable damage.
sick sentinel
yeah 😄
ember arrow
star augur
fleet galleon
God, that was aids
ember arrow
strangely krosus i found easy
ember arrow
🤦
fleet galleon
ember arrow
ember arrow
this is the summon thyme button
fleet galleon
Pssh, I was struggling in normal. Get on my level Thyme
ember arrow
u must ask an obvious question, use and then he will appear
warm plinth
You don't have to summon Thyme. He's always watching. Waiting.
warm plinth
😢
undone sun
🤦
ember arrow
star augur was good fight
just shit for us
like a big middle finger
boss doesnt melle hehe xd
SB, whats that?
compact geyser
So Thyme I have 30 haste. Should I stack crit and go ravager?
compact geyser
upper violet
haHAA
ember arrow
#stopbullying thyme
fleet galleon
Least frost comet was blockable Levko
fleet galleon
Lol
warm plinth
Only tank I even touched in NH was Brew for like 5 bosses in heroic one day
ember arrow
ok swap time
warm plinth
Hadn't tanked the raid at all and one of the tanks couldn't make it so they were like tag you're it.
fleet galleon
That happened to me a little while ago on Argus. Main tank was out and they were like, well guess you're it
warm plinth
I did get a 92 parse my first time ever tanking heroic Tich though; I was pretty proud of that.
Especially since I didn't even play brew outside of that day lol
fleet galleon
Pretty nice!
ember arrow
ok, i literally am ordered by RL to stand still outside of boss melee range
or i overaggro him
OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
970 bear doing 600k dps
👏
i do 1.6
upper violet
tell him gitgud ?
upper violet
bruh
warm plinth
Threat meters in Legion...
ember arrow
when the fuck is threat an issue since wrath
ember arrow
i told him i wont hamper my gamplay to accomodate for shitters
he didnt take that kindly
warm plinth
Step 1. Growl
Step 2. Thrash
Step 3. Mangle
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Profit
cinder nova
Oh wait wrong one
upper violet
u forgot memefire
ember arrow
so no time for dps
warm plinth
Never lost threat to a co-tank on any of my toons. Idk what the hell is people's problem. Like they don't know how to use that threat window to actually do something. SMH
ember arrow
maybe they dont know u generate extra threat
im a dick so i use BC+DS after THEY taunt
haHAA
so after 3 sec aggro immediately to me
then i can shittalk
warm plinth
lol
ember arrow
it lines up often
warm plinth
I had to hold off on Blooddrinker a lot in Tomb or I'd peel off people
ember arrow
on swaps
warm plinth
On my DK
ember arrow
i thought blooddrinker on pala
hollow tundra
Anyone else who have been at Vari mythic and experienced strange melee delays?
round hornet
he will hti u at the same time as shadow if its immediately after he makes the pools on the ground
copper ridge
How do you guys deal with Peters in NL this week. The 2 pulls are miserable. Is it group comp ? They just jump everywhere
Pelters
round hornet
kite
copper ridge
So you just kite them back
honest yarrow
@fierce juniper reeee
thorny anchor
Hi Guys, i am new to Warrior Tanking. How does Ignore Pain works? Is it a shield of X amount of Damage absorbtion, if yes what does up to 90% means? Also where are the breakpoints, how much Rage for for min and max absorb?
timid jay
It works like any other absorb except that it leaks through 10% damage
thorny anchor
Also it seems that you can keep up Shield Block indefinitively. Is it advised? For 15 Rage it seems too good to be true.
timid jay
Scales off of str and versa
junior ivy
you know more about how ignore pain works than me and i've been playing warrior tank since burning crusade
timid jay
You need 117% haste to keep SB up indefinitely if you play anger management (which is the go-to talent)
thorny anchor
So if i get 100 damage, 90 damage goes to absorb while 10 damage goes to my health pool?
timid jay
yes
timid jay
Not sure what DH ability works like that? 🤔
thorny anchor
Last row
timid jay
Isnt that garbage?
undone sun
soul barrier
thorny anchor
I meant mechanically
undone sun
yeah, it's not the best
undone sun
yes
thorny anchor
so only GCD loss
timid jay
It isnt on the GCD
wicked snow
Is there a link for protection warrior Google docs. I had it before but lost it
thorny anchor
I couldn't find one. Only shielding
timid jay
Outside of InsPres that doesnt heal yourself, impending victory
worn nebula
@wicked snow in #268491842637660160
undone sun
the toolkit is more centered around preventing damage than recovery from damage taken
the legendary bracers help with self recovery
wicked snow
Thanks
thorny anchor
understandable in a raid enviorement
but for leveling i would think Impending Victory a must?
worn nebula
victory rush will procc a lot during leveling, so not really
undone sun
still the better option of the choices
not like impending replaces VR anyways
will still get the 30% killing blow heal
worn nebula
yeh the other talents are fairly useless when leveling
and when doing world quests the others straight up doesn't do anything
thorny anchor
Interesting, thank you for this insightful discussion.
thorny anchor
My last question would be Vengeance, does it mean my new max for Ignore Pain is 39 Rage?
ember arrow
2mil + on certain trash
undone sun
yes
ember arrow
yea
thorny anchor
nice
timid jay
Provided you have the revenge buff from vengeance yes
Vengeance isnt used anymore with t21 though
ember arrow
during leveling, talents dont matter that much yet
and if u kill one mob, victory rush will proc
thorny anchor
yeah, but getting the idea on how to manage the damage while leveling is great imho
ember arrow
basically pull alot of mobs
focus one down if u need some hp
use voctory rush
after it dies
i havent leveled my warr in new scaling world so i dont know the strength of Ignore pain there
but in argus it keeps me at 99% basically
thorny anchor
Great, i will try it out.
Again thank you guys for the response. Have a nice evening
Or morning, depending where you are ^^
on*
bye
ember arrow
gl
junior ivy
is EN heroic 2-mannable?
junior ivy
cause no one wants to do it wth me
fickle jetty
I could use some quick advice. Filling in for a missing tank on my prot warrior alt. I'm 967 and I have gloves, belt, soul ring, and wrists
What should I use for Mythic KG and Mythic Vari?
fleet galleon
If you need survivability, wrists are the best. I imagine since you're filling in, that's your main aim
Wrists + gloves would be your best combo
fickle jetty
Main is BDK, this is the slightly less progressed team in my guild
I ended up using wrists and gloves
fleet galleon
Yeah, wrists are no good on Vari though because you can't receive healing a lot of the fight
Also, spell reflect is really handy there too
twin hazel
dreamy epoch
Is anyone available that can look at some Mythic Imonar logs and tell me if there is anything i can improve upon? Im getting destroyed by that boss
fleet galleon
It's a pretty painful boss from my understanding. Haven't done it myself though. Can try to take a look though
sick sentinel
@timid jay is a good person to ask
timid jay
Not aggramar 😦
sick sentinel
I wanna parse like you
timid jay
Equip gloves and its EZ
fleet galleon
#wowflirting
timid jay
Well theres your problem 😎
dreamy epoch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d7JHAZMYtR4gvcWT Here are my logs, i was getting one shot qwuite a few times and rotatint healer externals where needed, still felt i could improve on something as my DJH co tank had no issues
appreciate any feedback 😄
timid jay
Was the first really punishing boss to progress
sick sentinel
Cosmo since I don't have gloves could you look at my logs and tell me if there is stuff I could do? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/11798242
timid jay
You doing any of the potion+clears on bridges?
dreamy epoch
Yeah pala skystep for red crossings and rogues etc for green
i was struggling with the tanking on red side with the red mine cvlearing strat
having like 5 shrapnel debuffs
was killing me all the time
timid jay
Not a big fan of that strat at all, you take so much extra damage
sick sentinel
People should stack and then move as tram to avoid shrapnel
timid jay
But I'll take a look at the logs
ember arrow
mine too
dreamy epoch
The reason i chose not to do that strat as I know there are some weaker players in the raid that struggle with the kite roundf the edge strat
timid jay
Yeah sure, after
dreamy epoch
So i thought soaking mines would speed our progression
timid jay
Is it usually the mine debuff thats killing you?
dreamy epoch
Well a lot of deaths on that side yeah, making sure sever is off before i take the mines then whenever i taunt im getting hit for like 9.3M white hits through SB and ironbark etc
not really sure why
and when bridge crossing green i can only take like 3 mines or else i die, i assume not much c an be dona bout that thouigh
timid jay
You're not really fast over the bridge but thats expected when it comes to progress
dreamy epoch
we are using a ret pala bubble for the first green crossing but very slow
it doesnt help the conflag stacks not sure what can be improved there for that crossing
timid jay
Best tip I can give you for crossing
Is that everyone should clear the green ones
Everyone can take the stun traps and the mines, provided they dont have the extra damage taken stacks from the mines
dreamy epoch
so if dps and healers stick to one mine stack they shouldnt die from inital hit? we didnt try that
so have everyone helping out
timid jay
They deal like 3-4M damage or something if you dont have stacks
Tanks generally take the most mines but if someone is fast and ahead of the tanks they take 1-2 depending on personals
Makes the green bridges a lot faster
dreamy epoch
ah okay that should help, and should our red crossing be faster? we tended to have a few dead there everytime but
dim token
Our main tank quited and I have to tank for my guild temporarily... and I’m having trouble tanking kin garoth and varim ... I’m studying the magical/physical table right now
How do I migrate hard hitting physical damage that are not blockable ?
timid jay
You generally never want the boss to be above 15+ stacks
@dim token IP or our big CD's, can throw them around without much thought on those bosses since AM is a thing
dreamy epoch
ah right we regularly got 17ish and that caused issues w
timid jay
There are a few missplays looking at your casts
There are a lot of cases where you miss 1 extra SS during BC because you delay your first SS cast, its a minor thing but it will help
dreamy epoch
ah okay maybe my keybinds for that dont help they are kinda awkward for hitting SS and BC quickly
timid jay
Also a few times here and there you simply die to the DoT from mines without taking a extreme amount of DPS and thats just healer faults
And then you have a few of these, I'll just call them unlucky timings
dim token
Yea I feel like IP is much much important than it was in ToS, we were more relied on 100% shield block back then. Still getting used to the booming voice / battle cry IP play style 😦
timid jay
We were reliant on IP back in ToS as well, especially with the rage from t20
dim token
Really 😮
timid jay
@dreamy epoch You're also consistently wasting some rage due to overcapping, trying to keep your rage a bit lower if possible should also help
Dumping a bit more into IP would help
For me though, looking at these logs working on going faster over the bridges should help you a lot
warm plinth
No reason to cast max rage IPs unless you have a Dragon Scales proc. Other than that, you should be dumping into IP when needed as soon as you have enough imo. Doesn't really benefit you to wait and you have increased risk of overcapping, especially during Battle Cry or with Demo Shout off CD soon.
timid jay
Your deaths from the bosses attacks themselves dont look like big overkills and could probably have been salvageable with a bit fewer stacks on the boss
warm plinth
If you know you won't have either of those soon and you wanna hold off to refresh RF, that's fine. But I see a lot of people just spiking up and down on rage and idk why.
timid jay
And then you have the deaths where you soak mines and just die to the dot which I would solely put on your healers
Being a bit more proactive with LS/SW unless you need them for something specific could also help
And changing your str eye to stamina/vers for that small extra buffer can be nice on that boss
dreamy epoch
Ah okay i didnt notice that 😃 I put that down to raidleading at same time and worrying what others are doing lol but will keep an eye on the rage! Yeah i dont purposely wait for max rage to IP maybe the logs arent the most indicative of my normal play outisde of first night progress. I tended to keep LS and SW for the mine soaking dot with my 2nd pot etc
timid jay
(also chaning to heavy hide but thats very minor as well)
dreamy epoch
thought about trinket change, have pantheon DMC etc and was unsure what would benefit most
maybe stam flask too to help with the one shots on progression
warm plinth
Tbf I wasn't looking at your logs; I was more speaking generally. There are rage bar WAs out there that glow above a certain amount though, if you find that sort of thing helpful.
timid jay
Problem with DmD is that it wont help with the DoT from the shrapnel blast
Armor doesn't generally work for bleed's
warm plinth
We'll always have Harjatan 💔
timid jay
SB usage looks good for Sever/autos but there are a few shock lances that sneak in unblocked
dreamy epoch
what about apoc drive for that platform and activate during dot damage to help out with the white boss hits?
timid jay
That could certainly help
dreamy epoch
Im trying to do whatever I can to avoid logging my druid 😄 Il give that a go and certainly try speed up the transition phases as im sure thats a big part of it to be honest now im thinking about it
timid jay
Its mostly small things but they add up
warm plinth
Tbh I don't think druids really have any easier time on that fight than we do from what I know of it. Their Ironfur doesn't help against DoTs either
timid jay
Its just a very punishing fight to progress as a prot warrior, but once you start clearing bridges faster you should have a easier time surviving
warm plinth
The DoTs are physical right?
It's just the shrapnel blast I think? That's killing tanks usually
dreamy epoch
Yeah was getting that impression, my DH co tank as i say has no problem with the mine dot etc
timid jay
Yeah they are
Tbh, I see no reason to clear on the second platfrom since the second time you get there he doesnt throw any mines
If you can place them decently the first time theres no reason to clear there imo
dreamy epoch
Yeah I guess so, im not a fan of the kite against the wall strat maybe a simple sidestep could work
timid jay
Each to their own
dreamy epoch
rest of the raid struggled with the wall strat as it can be hard to see under the boss etc, maybve easier than trying to survive this unnecessarily though
timid jay
As I said though, less stacks on boss will make it easier
Generally your SB usage is good as I said and then theres the brainfarts
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d7JHAZMYtR4gvcWT#type=deaths&fight=12&source=15&death=1
dreamy epoch
Ouch
timid jay
I'd personally switch they eye to stamina mode and try a bit with that. Ran with the eye on stamina mode for our progress
Was nice with the extra hp b
Buffer
dreamy epoch
Okay il give that a go. Still ideal to run with Aegis or give something else a go?
I think it should be fine though popping it when required
timid jay
Yeah its fine, just remember that armor doesn't work on the dot
If you keep having issues apocalypse/eye might be worth considering
dreamy epoch
I think even speeding up bridge and using stam eye should be sufficient for now and considering not popping the mines as they are the main issue atm. Appreciate you looking over logs, thank you for the help 😃
timid jay
Np, don't be afraid to use ls/sw/nf if you feel at risk, would have saved you a few times
dreamy epoch
embarrassingly i was saving LS for the SLT to help out as wasnt sure if wed survive it
hahaha
timid jay
That's definitely not worth it lol
dreamy epoch
yea in hindsight maybe a bit retarded
timid jay
An extra 6M or so isn't enough to offset thst
dreamy epoch
Yeah, had problems with red cross not being fast enough also but i think it was bad lock portal placement meaning by the time we ran to the portal to go, the fire balls had spawned and therefore we couldnt safely use portal. Saw in Kelades video their porta was basically in the SLT so could move instantly
cinder nova
Best trinket for argus stacks?
undone sun
ideally one with avoidance
cinder nova
Don't got one, unfortunatelly.
Does...
Does uh... Rook's work?
That'd be funny as fuck ay
I got a mythic rook knockin' around the bank
timid jay
@sick sentinel If you want to log you need to drop Apoc to begin with, overcaping on rage looks good, not much wasted at all. Better coverage of SB during BC for more damage as well. Reducing the IP's you cast to get more revenges is vital, ABC applies to us as well when it comes to damage. Theres a lot of bigger gaps where you dont cast anything because SS and TC are on CD and you've dumped all your rage in IP instead of revenge.
Theres a fine line you have to walk when it comes to rage usage if you want to parse, having enough rage for revenges to try to always be casting and yet spend enough on IP to not die.
On your opener you ideally want to intercept+ds+sb+ip before you hit SS and after that SS you pop BC and start the normal rotation. Speaking about BC theres a lot of revenges/TC that sneaks in during your opening BC (happens a lot less frequently further into the fight). Also happens that you cast BC without a free GCD cutting it extremely close to missing a extra SS, its a good idea to not cast BC unless you have a free GCD ready.
For comparison when it comes to revenge and TC usage I got 29 TC and 36 revenge vs your 40 TC and 27 revenge, my fight was 3:28 vs your 5:11 (You also have 1k more haste)
timid jay
Tl:dr, use BC a bit more effectively with SB and try to always be casting SS, TC or revenge (at the cost of IP's)
timid jay
Better than apoc for sure
sick sentinel
has strength
timid jay
Str is very strong for us when it comes to DPS
sick sentinel
ah
timid jay
Was looking at the dogs log for that fwiw
Getting gloves would be a decent chunk more damage for your though, better start 🙏
timid jay
But yeah, when it comes to doing DPS its a lot about sacrificing a few SB stacks for damage and using more rage into revenge
Thats the general gist of it
The hard part is doing that and still surviving
timid jay
If you want to go for damage, absolutely
sick sentinel
okay
timid jay
Renewed fury isnt that big compared to casting more revenges
It'll still have good uptime
sick sentinel
ill drop APOC, i was usuing it because it was a pretty decent defensive trinket for mythic PK progress
plus i thought haste was good for offense
timid jay
It is, stronger on a point by point basis for me
cinder nova
Think Diima's would be good for argus stacks?
timid jay
Its just that str is not far after and the eye trinket has a lot of str compared to the haste on apoc
sick sentinel
ill give you an update after the reset happens and i run some mythic antorus
timid jay
If I went for max stacks on argus I'd probably go stamina/vers eye and DmD
For reliability and predictability
Or just go for the 100% mastery memebuild
undone sun
timid jay
Got to 8 stacks on M argus due to RNG crit blocks
timid jay
monkaS
polar silo
did u run leggo pants
timid jay
Who?
polar silo
the argus 18 stacks guy
sharp steeple
Leggo pants grants a good chunck of stamina/armor
ember arrow
no
polar silo
so did u just have windows of no sb up
or were u able to cover it with haste/nf
just curious
ember arrow
always sb
undone sun
i don't recommend legs unless you're specifically meant to do orbs
ember arrow
charges reset during his rage
ember arrow
idk
polar silo
sorry lol
polar silo
tried to do the @ sign lol
ember arrow
depends on my set
cinder nova
Alrighty
How do I parse on M Worldbreaker
Do I just need to stay in and get reamed by bombard?
sand relic
1 percent flat vers
sand relic
alot of mythic raiders use it now
sand relic
475
undone sun
it's worth using on prog for a few reasons
cheaper, Verse is never really bad for anyone and the healing/DR is always useful
cinder nova
I can't see it being a constant staple, though.
Just for prog fights you need it with vantus
undone sun
definitely
cinder nova
For tanks you think it'd be better with STR? Isn't STR 1:1 for AP now?
languid rose
sneezed while getting nailed by garothi, died, only 98% parse 😦
languid rose
nah heroic
cinder nova
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
sharp dew
Intercepting an ally, intercept the next melee or ranged attack against them, example, ranged attack-nightmare bolt, it doesn't do anything-unless you're running safeguard, so intercept doesn't make sense
unless it doesn't work on casts and intercept would work for like an arrow shot or something physical instead?
undone sun
right, it's just auto attacks and some mobs auto attack arrow shots
undone sun
should be yes, just like the melees
sharp dew
Just trying so hard to find a way to make destiny driver not a meme in certain scenarios lmao
undone sun
there's no way
it's just a glorified stat stick, no situation ever where it'd be considered
sharp dew
even shade it wouldn't give any absorbs because they're casts huh? rip
undone sun
correct
sharp dew
they redid all the legy's in like 7.1.5 or 7.2 or whatever and left that piece of junk the same lol
cinder nova
You can also take tank stacks associated with a swing
Like Trilliax shit
I did that a lot on mythic
Provided of course the stack isn't a cleave-based effect iirc
undone sun
that's just baseline intercept, doesn't make DD anymore useful
cinder nova
Well yeah DD is shit any way you slice it
dim token
The prot guide suggests intercept over inspiring presence and victory rush in m+s, is it to save teammates from hard hitting mechanics ? I’ve been using impending victory/ inspiring presence and have never thought of this choice
undone sun
far more impactful than the other two choices
dim token
Thanks
prisma crane
@sharp dew where's the arms helm?
hidden kindle
Hey guys is it true that you can lower your ignore pain by casting it? Like you have a 7M ignore pain cap cause of procs and then u cast a new one after procs go away and it brings it down to 5M?
undone sun
yes
slate obsidian
what happens if you intercept sb who's taking hits and sb else intercepts you? who's gonna receive the hits?
and then, assuming you are both wearing DD, who's gonna get how much absorb?
unborn island
In that situation, everyone will be dead, because of both tanks using DD 😛
uncut juniper
is there a way too lookup who took kingaroth mythic orbs except of the tanks in warcraftlogs? i wanna see who was sleeping last evening.. :o
got it
languid rose
Math out who was how far from it?
uncut juniper
no i mean whos accidently popping them in the raidcamp due to not moving for example
but i found it :)
ocean kernel
Does anyone knows how can i remove the middle text on the Ignore pain bar string without blizzard telling me my addons are destroying my game every 5min?
i deleted the "aura_env.textCenter" and its giving me and error
upbeat basin
@uncut juniper theres a website called what wiped us or something, you can drop a logs link in and it will automatically tell you who took them
Wipefest it's called
icy pond
Guys i´m raiding Argus hc for a few weeks and i feel pretty stucked in my logs. I´m not rly bad but cant find ways to improve my dps
I´m using bracers and Hands
quiet delta
chisato are u using dps trinkets?
dusky summit
What's your gear like? Are you using 4p? For dps, you generally wanna go 2p t21 with highest ilvl off pieces (haste/mast/vers) if possible with dps trinkets like haste stick/chrono/angerboda
stray hemlock
wouldnt you still want to use the 1000 pantheon trinket for dps ? since itll increase your raids dps and has huge str and vers proc
fleet galleon
Yeah, you'd still use that if you have it
dusky summit
yeah you use the pantheon + dps trinket
wild sandal
is the wow analyzer good for prot wars?
unborn island
I think you need to ignore a lot of what it says
like it gives you shit for not using TC on cooldown, when there's a lot of events (Battlecry) where that is a bad idea
Also depends why you're looking at it
wild sandal
ye i saw that, but my co tank said that its on point for blood and guardians, so wanted to ask for us
wild sandal
thanks
spiral cipher
hi all - trying to catch up on things [reading them pins thanks again for those!] just got put back as tank after being on my resto druid since our OT just left last night T_T
sick sentinel
good luck on catching up 🙂 prots pretty fun atm
spiral cipher
i loved tanking in EN and a little of Tomb that i got to - so im excited to get back in the saddle ^^ thanks
sick sentinel
im enjoying last 2 tiers on current state .. not talkin bout progress tho 😄
daring charm
Drape of Shame do anything worthwhile?
daring charm
Okay thank you, Everything from our healing meters is basically shield right?
For the majority
I'm new to prot, trying to figure out how they have kinda high self healing meters
astral crystal
high self-healing comes from IP dumb and bracers
dump* lol
you'll top the meters every time fam
sick sentinel
Hi all. is Kin'garoth forging strike blockable now?
daring charm
Ahhhh okay ty atticus
rigid swan
I’ve never tanked Argus on my warrior, does SR work for soulbomb? And is SR & IP enough for mythic soak?
shut summit
@sick sentinel not blockable
@rigid swan sr works in reducing dmg you take personally (I think?)from bomb , but yellow circle dmg is physical, so hafta stack all cds to live basically
Or use titanguard trink to make it ez
We just forced the first yellow circle to other tanks, since they typically handle it easier
fleet ocean
so the BfA ignore pain changes... it is not longer going to be an absorb correct? just a flat damage reduction
fleet ocean
I just wonder if it will knock down our dps because we might need to "pool" up our rage
prisma crane
without looking, likely missed blocks on the maws
it's the most common reason warriors die on that fight, if you dont miss blocking any maws you barely take dmg
also, I'm willing to bet your deaths coincide with the purple orb thing
prisma crane
which is a bad time for everyone so i just use SW and or SR at that time
are you running HR?
prisma crane
ok good
unborn island
I'm amazed at 90% uptime then
dawn remnant
okay
prisma crane
also, you're not having tanks swap dogs?
dawn remnant
no
prisma crane
why not? we can just leap and charge and you'll automatically take 25% less dmg
timid jay
You had 52% SB uptime on the kill
timid jay
Uptime is generally worthless statistic but that's hardly 90%
prisma crane
doesnt really matter much, they can wraith walk
and usually one is channeling around when the swap happens
and it's a large amount of dmg reduction
it's of course not necessary, but if tanks are dying
shut summit
Yea ez to swap when one at full energy if you are dying
tame sleet
can mind rend in prot challenge be spell reflected?
shut summit
Though it does look like it just poor blocking
timid jay
No
prisma crane
no but SR reduces dmg by 50%
tame sleet
do bracers trivialize the fight?
tame sleet
or make it signifigantly easier. im getting cleaned up and im not sure why @ 940 i cant get through phase 1
prisma crane
dont go above 5-6 stacks
tame sleet
im not
tame sleet
im doing both those things
winged marsh
I found bear tartare was really helpful
timid jay
It's all about abusing Vr
winged marsh
the t21 2p melted the first boss too
tame sleet
VR ?
prisma crane
and yea, dont use VR the second you get it, use it when you need the heals or about to proc it again
victory rush
timid jay
Victory rush