I use boots on garothi because why not 🙃
#protection
solid drum
Weird question - Friend is leveling a warrior and said he has aggro problems compared to his Paladin. Is that common, does a Pala Tank deal more AoE Damage while leveling? They're currently level 62
timid jay
Balance in general while leveling is all over the place
Wouldnt surprise me if a few classes easily do more than double damage of others
solid drum
Alright, thanks !:)
round vortex
@wild stump Boots definitely not needed. I do use them for Garothi though as I feel better with them and he hits like a lil bitch. My BDK off tank is jealous lol
But far from required is my point - if a slow BDK can do it - you can too 😃
smoky garnet
Speaking from personal experience
This is how a bdk does it: they just take all bombardments lol
Gotta get parses
formal abyss
what defensive rotation should I be doing for high keys or tyrannical 1st boss in maw. SR -> SW -> SR -> LS -> SR -> ????
I don't think my SW would be up again for 5th one
junior ivy
im in tomb mythic !!!
formal abyss
no legs FeelsBadMan
warm plinth
If you don't have legs, save SR for the 2nd slash so you have it up for add spawn
timid jay
Yeah, I'd start with LS -> SR -> sw -> SR
formal abyss
hm ok
timid jay
If you have a pet class just have them taunt off
shut summit
🙃
warm plinth
Congrats Swole
timid jay
Gratz mate
cinder nova
Cheers lads
I decided to just slap on my 930 reliquary lol
Helped take an extra mine
junior ivy
grats !
cinder nova
thanks cat
junior ivy
i just killed mythic harjatan for first time lol
timid jay
Sisters is kinda similar, a lot of the fight is just standing still so you dont build up the stacks
cinder nova
Honestly there's almost no movement on sisters
None if your raid group is good and you have enough ranged
A little if you 4-pack instead of 5
junior ivy
weve just been winging it on every boss and doing okay
junior ivy
soo sisters of the moon are hard
timid jay
Its a bit of a difficulty jump up from harjatan
timid jay
mistress is the next big jump
ember arrow
sisters
winged marsh
sisters prog with my old guild shudder
dunno how that managed to take over 100 pulls but that guild found a way
junior ivy
youre not making me feel hopeful lol
winged marsh
tell people to sit the fuck still and theyll be fine lol
just make sure people are spread out around the platform
and you gucci
deft sapphire
Idk how 100 pulls on sisters is possible
winged marsh
the guild was really bad
on the attempt before the kill I got close to 70ish jugg stacks cause so many people were dead
0% wipe
killed next pull
😦
ember arrow
..........................
deft sapphire
That’s probably fine now tbh, haven’t done mythic tomb since it was current
timid jay
10 stacks is a lot
winged marsh
the problem was when someone had moonburn
and extended it
then the next group needs to go
and people arent paying attention
junior ivy
i think we are givin up
deft sapphire
I progged mythic sisters with 10 melee dps
timid jay
Wow
winged marsh
tbf I leave mythic ToS groups after sisters now anyways. Not cause of gear, cause I dont believe people are competent enough to do the mechanics
timid jay
Sounds like a fun experience
winged marsh
we actually did that too, part of why it took my guild so long. Some melee just loved walking back and forth ;_;
warm plinth
Yeah a lot of people had a ton of wipes on Mistress from what I heard around that time.
She was a huge wall for a lot of guilds
clever cliff
Hi, guys. Quick question. On Felhounds, which dog is the least dangerous for warrior tanks? Is it about the same or does it change?
timid jay
Its exactly the same
clever cliff
Okay, thanks!
round vortex
@clever cliff If you can tank the fire dog though. Purely because you can pop berserker rage jsut before the fear goes off and immune it.
Unless you on mythic - then it gets decided for you 😃
clever cliff
Yeah, that's what I've doing. Heroic diff
timid jay
you can get fear while tanking shadow dog as well
undone sun
Both tanks get fear at the same time on mythic
timid jay
That dear
undone sun
And most of the time swapping isn't necessary
clever cliff
The dot is being hard on me though. Having a hard time with that. I'm running with the wrists and the Shield Wall ring because they're the only ones I have for prot rn
round vortex
Yeah but on heroic most DPS are on the shadow dog - meaning the shadow dog tank has more access to others to fear share. On the fire dog you are ok to stand by urself and don't need anyone to share 😃
timid jay
Remember that the Maw's are blockable
round vortex
Yeah there will be 2 instances on Heroic that the dot will stack to 7-8 stacks. Block the maws. When ur stacks hit 6 i usually pop shield wall, and then spell reflect after that and by then it normally falls off 😃 Smooths the damage for the healers big time.
I also call in discord "Bara on 6 stacks" and the healers just had a CD ready but it's rarely if ever used.
clever cliff
Oh, that's a great advice Baratus
round vortex
yeah the first stacks will drop off naturally. Then you will get 7 before they drop off, then 8 then its normally dead before it matters.
clever cliff
I've been using spell reflect when having trouble with shield block uptime or when getting hit by a mechanic lol
And ignore pain, well, dumping all rage on it
round vortex
Spell reflect is almsot always used for the high dot stacks. But yeah blocking those Maws is key
if you really want - used NF to crit block during high dot stacks for even more survivability
round vortex
😃 anytime
clever cliff
Thanks!
sick sentinel
So you can block MaW even though its magic dmg?
timid jay
Yup
sick sentinel
Here I thought inly physical dmg can be blocked...
ember arrow
dmg type says nothing about it being blockable or not
timid jay
Best advice I can give you is take a look at the pinned blockable/reflectable spreadsheet
sick sentinel
Will do cheers. On phone at the moment
fickle jetty
My group has a dps warrior playing Protection for Aggramar Mythic. He's having a bit of trouble with survivability -- is there anything glaringly obvious he can change? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mJ9kPLpbHFWVDqCA
maiden ravine
argh, I set my loot spec to fury for a 910 trinket hoping to just get a stat stick, but nooo, I got Spontaneous Appendages
winged marsh
oof
ornate nimbus
Ouch
deft sapphire
@fickle jetty tbh I don’t think your warrior is doing a bad job at all. He’s requiring like no external healing and he doesn’t seem like he’s one of the first few people to die on any attempts
What makes you think he’s doing poorly
winged marsh
almost done 😄
junior ivy
i dont even know why its goign so badly
winged marsh
2 things I know that fuck people up on court is not LoS ing fel detonation
and not stunning eye storm/imp casts
glad holly
Anyone know that website with m+ tank pulls and % guides? I can't remember the name of it for the life of me
ionic fern
sullen jay
Also YouTube The Thorough Tank channel
Out of Battlelord, Bloodletting Manacles, Kakushan and Thunderlords, which two do I want to use for M+ tanking (I also have prydaz and sephuz but I assume they're not in the running.)?
undone sun
bracers/belt for aoe or belt/gloves if you don't need the self healing
gloves/bracers for st or gloves/belt again for not needing self healing
sephuz/belt isn't terrible especially since you can proc it on CD
sullen jay
If I'm playing with belt, do I take BV?
sullen jay
Wait, I'm very confused now. I thought if you have T21 you never take booming voice because the 2pc gives you all the rage you need?
restive scroll
More rage = more Anger management proc = more booming voice/T21 proc = more rage [...]
so no
you need it ^^
plus, that way, you do a lot less vengeance, so you don't have that much time to proc it
undone sun
you never take Vengeance because the rage efficiency isn't needed and GCD lock
sick sentinel
😩
sullen jay
Sure, but if they sync up, I should use both even if it over caps rage?
undone sun
ideally you wouldn't ever rage cap, you want to spam ignore pain as much as possible to prevent that
willow ice
hey guys, im a new prot warrior, does ignore pain stack on itself?
willow ice
ooh okay, and if you spam it at the min rage it wont really stack well?
deft sapphire
It works just fine with low rage casts
maiden ravine
934 ilvl! It'll be a bit difficult still, but I'm ready for the mage tower when it next comes up
willow ice
hmmm okay. I was tanking a lfr earlier and i noticed my ignore pains were running out pretty fast, idk if it was a debuff or what
nice work kyle, i just hit 935 😄
maiden ravine
935 is where I aim to hit to make mage tower really easy for the tank/dps specs
undone sun
IP is still only a buffer for damage before it hits your actual health, still have to mitigated it properly with sb
ornate nimbus
Go bag it, @maiden ravine I believe!
maiden ravine
Agatha will be easy regardless, I've only done Vargoth on Survival though
willow ice
i also need to get my hidden appearence. i should prob watch a guide before i try it lol
round hornet
the random chance of the shield being in the cave?
warm plinth
I'm certain he was referring to the mage tower appearance.
round hornet
I guess, though some hidden ones have fighting like Fury and ARms
maiden ravine
I need to finish getting exalted with Valajar eventually
grim root
has anyone tried to solo heroic elisan as a warrior
fair ingot
Fellow warriors, what's your's rage/s at Portal keeper? (Mythic)
sullen jay
For Agatha, get the lightsomething elixir. Completely trivialises the encounter
For tanking one, use the little eyes to refresh your victory rush cooldowns and you should have enough healing if you use your cooldowns well
For arms, I don't think it's functionally possible to tail that mage tower no matter what you do
*fail
maiden ravine
Arms is probably easier than it was as survival haha
sick sentinel
Arms was rly trivial with bit gear
maiden ravine
yeah, I bet with charge haha
sick sentinel
Main reason holding me back on one-shotting was that i kept running over that spikes. :thinking: u shouldnt do that.
maiden ravine
yeah, at least Arms has WW pretty much whenever.
deft sapphire
You beat the spikes by jumping and leaping out, instead of killing them
maiden ravine
oh? Don't kill them for the victory rush?
sick sentinel
not rly needed, but its no prob to burst them either. just dont autowalk🙂
dim token
I pay way more attention to my abilities, procs and stuffs when I’m on my war is that normal? I also play brm, prot pal and blood dk
But war tank is the only one I can’t fully concentrate on the environment and mechanics ....
warm plinth
Well I mean, warriors have multiple procs to worry about, whereas BrM has 0, prot only has 1, and BDK only has 1
So I'd say that's normal. I pay more attention to my warrior's abilities too and I play every other tank spec
sick sentinel
Im used to care about my mark of ursol when i play guardian...oh wait:thinking:
Guys. Troll berserking is fairly strong on current prot! >50% haste into BC - woopwoop😁
glossy beacon
@sharp steeple GO TO WORK
sharp steeple
Shit i cant pingrage
glossy beacon
xD
ember arrow
@dim token 1 proc (shield slam) and press shield block when the blockable shit timer hits 1 sec
i dont see how u cant concentrate on envoronment
on dk i an watching WA all day contrary to warr
runic power/rune management
sick sentinel
Well...would say at this point its just the level of play and how comfortable u are with WA tracking
maiden ravine
woo, getting Paragon of Argus done, so much veiled argunite and transmog stuff
, the Lightbringer title achieved
sick sentinel
gz :yum:
maiden ravine
one rare off of Commander of Argus too
sick sentinel
Dafuq .. DH tank pulling ~2mio. on Garothi nm and doesn't even need fat gear for it 😗 sadlife.
anyways..found my next toon.
west kayak
^ I love it when I pug and the other tank says he will grab the boss first... Brown on top of the DPS chart for the first 5-10 secs.
shadow escarp
Hi guys im kinda new to prot warrior and not 100% sure about everything. I've read the guide posted in the FAQ but it left me with a couple of questions. first off im wondering if shield block does anything against the tank mechanic from Fellhounds and vari, both are magic damage and im not 100% sure how block works. if it helps, does that mean the artifact ability helps aswel?
junior ivy
felhounds YESSSSSSS
you want to block every single cvorrupting or burning maw
its magic but shield block still works
i dont think it does for vari
but felhounds.. yeah.. you should be SBing every single maw
shadow escarp
I'm also wondering be what setup would be ideal for M+ talentwise, gearwise and legenbdary-wise.apparently T20 4p and T21 2p would be optimal for survivability, regardless of ilvl. but if i want to get some dmg in there what should i be using?
thanks for the info 😉
junior ivy
thats about the extent of my knowledge, at least the knowledge im comfortable sharing cause i dont wanna accidentally give wrong info lol
but the felhounds thing is one thing i know with 100% certainty
shadow escarp
alright
you can just say what you're doing, it'll give me some insight
because right now i am really clueless
shut summit
glance through the block / spell reflect spreadsheet in pins
will tell you about most everything
shadow escarp
will do
junior ivy
iven ever bothered with t20
jsut 2pc t21
i tend to use the same talents for every single situation. recently changed permanently from shockwave to warbringer
i use wrists and gloves 99% of the time
unless its a few specific bosses on tyrannical then i use pants
and wrists
i can successfully tank up to +18 within the timer but thats about my limit
shadow escarp
do you use 4p T21?
junior ivy
nope 2pc
sick sentinel
If they are your highest ilvl stuff for that slot, go right ahead. But it is not worth gearing for 4p T21
Afaik
shadow escarp
one more question, on how many tyargets will you favor revenge / thunder clap vs shield slap?
and how do you "burst" AoE with battlecry up
it was easier without the T21 2p because you couldnt really use shield slam that much anyways, bnut now it feels like a waste to use revenge over shield slap
slam*
junior ivy
hm. i have no idea if this is correcxt oir not, but generally if there are 3+ enemies i focus on aoe lkike recenge and tclap. also. if i use BC with aoe.. i still pick one target to shielkd slam
i love that you call it shield slap lol
shadow escarp
😄
junior ivy
ughh i am never gonna get anoither mount from those rep caches !! im so sad
i want the moose and magic carpet
fleet galleon
T21 4pc can be worth up to 15 item levels per slot if you feel like you need the defensive bonus from it. If not, equip your highest item level pieces in those slots
long bronze
Where did you get 15 ilvl from
It's just better defensively
It's your call if you want to lose the dps for it
old zephyr
I don't do much m+, usually one high per week for the chest without caring for timer. T20 4p vs Ilvl dépends on your healer à bit. It Will help mitigating Damages,
Wich means easier mana sustain and group healing, but won't help that much against tank killers, also less Damages
long bronze
It's not rocket science... If you want to be tankier use 4 set. If you don't think you need it go for ilvl for the deeps
old zephyr
Vari ils easy for us. Shadow strike itself is notre blockable but Doesn't deal that much Damage (and you can halve it with SR
long bronze
Plus the debuff doesn't effect absorb so the majority of our heals are unaffected
old zephyr
The big Damages come from the melee you take during misery and you can Block that. Also IP works during misery
old zephyr
If you have all your CDs available you can even survive 1 misery (while actively tanking) wich is something your average bdk /bear can't
long bronze
But shouldn't ever need to do lol
old zephyr
1 mêlée is okay if swing timer is badly coordinated with misery but 2 is definitely à mess up Yeah
long bronze
And you shouldn't be saving cool downs "just in case" that happens
Because it's 100% mechanics fail and you should be able to use your cool downs effectively instead of holding them because your Co tank is bad
old zephyr
That can reallistically only happen on First misery so It's not that bad to save them for that, if it happen s later just Yeah It's mechanic fuck up
long bronze
Should never happen
junior ivy
you can';t control other tanks so i awlays try to be prepared for the worst
old zephyr
Yeah and noone should ever die to tourments during shivara, yet noone is flawless
If you have à lot of expérience and are running mythic for à la long time why not. But I suppose someone that just picked up prot war is not in this situation
upper spoke
how can i link an in-game warrior friend this discord?
he's asking me about prot warrior trinkets, and i want to refer him to the pins
deft sapphire
Link to this discord and other wow ones is in #148872210742771712
upper spoke
i dont know his discord handle. im only a disc novice
how can i send him an in-game link
deft sapphire
Just whisper him the url in game
If he has any kind of chat addon he’ll be able to click on it and copy
prisma crane
and worst case scenario you can just have him type it manually, we have the simple link here https://discord.gg/Skyhold
tropic owl
950 Tank pantheon trink vs 1000 DPS pantheon trinket for DPS? In raid
fleet galleon
Probably tank. DPS one's proc rate is nerfed by 50%
round hornet
iirc someone said that both the proc rate and effect were halved for tanks
ember arrow
@tropic owl proc AND dmg rate is nerfed 50%
fleet galleon
Yeah, that's right. I forgot about the proc being halved too
ember arrow
if u wanna go dps then tank trink is good
unborn island
shadowbind/ttw fior dps?
have a choice both have rage of the fallen, TTW one is 5 ilvl lower though
fleet galleon
I think Shadowbind is better
prisma crane
Shadowbind i personally like more as well, less RNG and it also does provide some healing too
also works better for anything outside of ST
since no ramp up
fleet galleon
Right, really annoying when TtW at 2 stacks falls off and then is reapplied again. Just feels like a waste
final mist
TtW is better for pure ST, anything outside of that and Shadowbind is better.
I'd take the Shadowbind one regardless, since it's an extra 5 ilevels.
prisma crane
I'm still convinced that 1 vs 1 shadowbind is better
i feel like you need 3x TtW to beat out shadowbind
but that said, the proc chance doesnt go up with TtW does it? only the dmg?
novel temple
Scales off haste for proc rate but that’s it
More damage the note traits you’ve got
prisma crane
ah, kk
idk, i guess i just like shadowbind more
nearly the same dmg, no fuss, plus absorb bonus
novel temple
Cause I know sometimes I’ll get a three stack refresh with BC and demo up
It’s a super hard on
novel temple
I’m 2/3 TtW
prisma crane
so i get no free dmg anymore atm 😦
and i want to swap out of it, but it's too good for argus
i have no other gear with avoidance than my boots
undone sun
Yes
novel temple
Damn
undone sun
Avoidance is nearly invaluable for mythic Argus
novel temple
For last phase I assume?
undone sun
Entire fight, scythes and orbs are mitigated by avoidance so minimizing as much damage as you can is ideal
shut summit
for all of it
shut summit
hit shield slam really hard
novel temple
I’m hitting shield slam with my face, is that good enough?
shut summit
🙃
languid rose
try using your shield instead of your face
novel temple
I’ve got a mini shield duct taped to my face
languid rose
is it spiky?
novel temple
It’s made out of spikes
strong hill
WTB old school shield spike like in bc
tulip pond
Should I replace 900 DMF or 945 Shatug/F'harg with Diima's?
runic fjord
Yo so I've been using Arcanocrystal as one of my prot trinkets
and i'm not sure i can go back to two tank trinkets
prisma crane
comes down to how well you use it, which is the case with nearly all on use trinkets
runic fjord
it just feels so good
languid rose
the only feel on arcano is the bit of haste
languid rose
ok but other trinkets have haste
dusky mica
feeeeeeeeeeeeel
prisma crane
vers too, but less noticeable, at least to me
prisma crane
i really liked teh mastery proc on memento
it adds a lot of dps
got a 2.8m SS on Argus though last night
a few i think, so that's nice
junior ivy
is there any way to get to other bosses after you kill immerseus or like .. im confused lol
dusky mica
stand on the switch
prisma crane
stand on the square at the top of the stairs
junior ivy
ty
junior ivy
lolol
ugh the guy i was runnin it with left cuase we couldnt figure it out
guess im soloing the rest
fleet galleon
Everything after the first boss is comfortable to solo though
The first boss is really annoying if you can't heal the blobs
fleet galleon
You just have to step on the "switch" on which the light is shining. Was that not working?
junior ivy
no idea
wintry furnace
Super random question. Do you need to do Hmountain quests To unlock the ability to get the Hidden Prot warrior skin? Or is it just a matter of checking
wintry furnace
Well My Warrior never did highmountain, so that's why I thought to ask.
dusky mica
you dont need to do the questing
my alt has the shield and never did any quests in the zone.
novel temple
@prisma crane though vers is preeeetttyyy good if youve got a lot of if i think, right?
prisma crane
vers doesn't DR, so it get's better defensively the more you have of it
and offensively it's no slouch with how easily we can get massive amounts of it
that said, because of how easy we can get lots of it from procs, having mastery to multiply on top of it is 👌
novel temple
the WoD ring taught me that but i couldnt remember if it still rung true
but it also makes me want to race change from belf to HM tauren
prisma crane
that WoD ring lol
i was SS for over 1m at 101
then it came crashing down as i was leveling
prisma crane
interesting point...
but i bet you it'll scale up to your level first (useless) then scale that value to the new lvl, extra useless
novel temple
maybe, but theres still the main stat proc version of the ring at least
sick sentinel
Any tips for Coven - the fire chic? I'm getting smacked by the 3rd application
sturdy sable
Spell reflect the third application then?
junior ivy
OMG someone bought my boe for 200k gold
i put it on there like .. knowing no one would buy it for that much
and maybe 100k or 150k
but someone bought it !@
im rich !
what should i buy??
willow ice
a girlfriend
round hornet
@sick sentinel you only need to swap on 2
theres no reason to eat 3
other than you wanna take more damage for fun
ember arrow
@willow ice lesbians, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
willow ice
lol
prisma crane
lol Lev
@junior ivy you should save it
or get some more and get two wow tokens and get off your server
junior ivy
i am bad at saving gold ill definitely buy a mount lol
dusky mica
send it to an alt, so you dont feel rich
junior ivy
this is gonna be the most gold ive ever had at one time
ember arrow
gold doesnt do much in wow anyway
junior ivy
ocne i get the mail
ember arrow
im glad it doesnt, means no need to grind
junior ivy
im checkin ah for moutns now
olyt one i can afford is jeweled onyx pamnther
and geosynchronous world spinner
dusky mica
just save it for BFA
junior ivy
will t here be new moutns to buy?
undone sun
and parrot
junior ivy
PARROT MOUNT?
junior ivy
ooo i want
i mwatchin a video about bfa mounts
a beetle?!
als ois there snake people?
junior ivy
ok omfg these mounts are amazing
warm plinth
Dark Souls ❤
prisma crane
it's actually a really smart idea if you have trouble saving gold
dont keep it on your main toons
junior ivy
i have every dark souls game on steam and played like 5 mins of DS 3 thats all
do you think itlleb easier to make gold in BFA?
prisma crane
well, if you prep for it you can make a ton of gold around launch
just level fast and max out your herbalism and alchemy
gathering professions in generally make a lot early on
but ur on a dead realm
so you wont get the same benefit
junior ivy
i got a 200k gold item in my bank for emergencies
but id ont think id ever sell it
glorious
dusky mica
🇬 🇱 🇴 🇷 🇮 🇴 🇺 🇸
junior ivy
is BRF wod or mop?
junior ivy
ty levko
junior ivy
the boss i needed isnt evden in BRF omg lol
dusky mica
Ragnaros?!
junior ivy
i needed brackenspore lol
dusky mica
2 people is probably enough
2 people with taunt will be enough too
regardless of dps
you can run past him anyway I think
timid jay
Yeah, you can skip butcher
Dont need to kill him at all, can kill imperator before him even
prisma crane
you can kill mythic butcher incredibly easily
unless im forgetting something, but i've done that before ages ago
timid jay
Isnt it 5 stacks? 🤔
dusky mica
or just take someone with a taunt and you can kill it with any shit level of dps
timid jay
Think the dps check is tight still
dusky mica
maybe, 4 then pop
hazy zinc
The quest to kill Highlord Kruul in Twisting Nether freaking sucks...
undone sun
what ilevel are you trying it at
junior ivy
can i solo hellfire citadel mythic?
uneven locust
Can anyone lend some insight as to the 75 talent row? I've heard that Indomitable is to be avoided and that Devastator is good, but as a fresh 880 prot warrior I'm finding that if I spec devastator I don't really do much but hit a cooldown or a proc every 4-6 seconds.
jade socket
yep hfc is soloable
burnt egret
@rols its best to just forget the other talents exist. Devastator is really the only legit talent there. Though it would be nice if they just bake that into our class
hazy zinc
I recently came back into the game after a 10 month break. back then, indomitable was really OP but has it gotten nerfed or is it just because of harder content?
undone sun
it did get nerfed, but that's not what put it in the shadow of deva as it is now
deva is a significant DPS and defensive increase
indom is still fine, but deva just outperforms it greatly
dusky mica
1-Devastator didn't used to exist. 2-With haste you don't really have time to be wasting a GCD on devastate.
hazy zinc
fair enough, i should go fix my talents...
undone sun
that too, devastator was introduced in 7.1.5
hazy zinc
What was it before?
dusky mica
avoid Best Served Cold, Into the Fray, Never Surrender and 
uneven locust
Ah, I have no haste so devastator is extremely boring lol
undone sun
Talent row was Best Served Cold/Never surrender/Indom
and Ultimatum was where BSC is now
dusky mica
It still generates more rage than indom at shit gear levels.
clever cliff
Hi, guys. Quick question. Is the Darkmoon Deck: Immortality trinket good for prot warriors?
undone sun
yes
clever cliff
Great. Thank you!
sage sphinx
When you are running TWF, how often should you be using shield wall?
undone sun
whenever you need it
the primary benefit from running TWF is the extra rage per SS, the CDR is an added benefit
sage sphinx
Ahh ok. Just waiting for gloves
obsidian bluff
do yall mostly use thundergods vigor and booming voice in mplus?
undone sun
yup, belt is bis for aoe and bv is taken regardless with t21
fleet galleon
With T20 as well
undone sun
ideally you still want to take BV for keystones
the shorter CD belt provides on packs paired with BV is very strong
obsidian bluff
okay cool, ill use that from now on
is beneficial to swap to mannoroths manacles for bosses?
undone sun
if you could use the self healing, sure
obsidian bluff
or is kakushun/thundergod pretty well bis all the time
its been a minute since ive checked
undone sun
dps vs. survivability
undone sun
👍
hazy zinc
Time to unlearn my muscle memory of using Devestate alot!
dusky mica
Just put thunderclap on that key
hazy zinc
And with Warbringer instead of Shockwave, i now have 2 large holes in my actionbar that idk what to fill with
But thunderclap has always been on E since WotLK :/
darnit
dusky mica
have it on 2 keys until you dont need to anymore, no one will know
hazy zinc
I can put my Faded Wizard Hat on the Shockwave key
dusky mica
for shockwave you could make a macro for /cast [@'Focus'] Intercept
hazy zinc
hmm
Heroic Throw no longer has a CD?
Since when did they change that or am i having a stroke and it never had one??
dusky mica
long time ago
hazy zinc
So much has changed in 10 months....
dusky mica
it was like that in the last expansion
hazy zinc
huh. i thought for sure it had a CD behore nighthold
dense salmon
guys im a dogshit prot warrior and never played, what ilvl is reasonable for me to do mage tower with prydaz/kj trinket
maiden ravine
So, do we prefer the dps or the tanking trinket from argus mostly?
warm plinth
The tanking trinket
maiden ravine
okay
vale gorge
If nothing else, it provides an extra pantheon buff to the raid to increase empowerment uptime
dense salmon
@warm plinth yeah 2 piece
warm plinth
I'd say you'd be able to easily do it at like 910 then
dense salmon
oh nice then, thanks
delicate urchin
25 ilvl on shoulders + 15 ilvl on legs VS 2t20 for dps? -8 sec cd every 60(45) sec looks solid but not shure..
prisma crane
it'd be a tossup
i basically did that though
it feels weird and slower, but i'd honestly just test it out
and you can sim it now 😃
not perfect, but it'll be close
prisma crane
thought it had T20 implemented?
undone sun
simc does
warm plinth
It's implemented, but the APL still has to use BR
undone sun
but putting it into the APL
prisma crane
ahhh
delicate urchin
thx for help 😅
opaque yarrow
Hellow fellow wariors 😃
I was wondering if you could help with Vrykul Shield Training or Icon Dragon Skin, to aim for after Bastion of the ASpects
maiden ravine
936 ilvl, Hopefully I'll get a 12 or higher this week for one more upgrade next week for mage tower
warm plinth
@opaque yarrow Vrykul Shield Training; though I typically shoot for DPS traits once I have Bastion
opaque yarrow
I mean as relics
warm plinth
Yeah I know. I go for DPS traits in whichever one I don't have Bastion (T1 or T3)
So if I get a Rage of the Fallen or thunder clap relic, I go for bastion in T3
If I have Bastion in T1, I go for Rage or TC in T3
opaque yarrow
But there is no blood relic with bastion other then from ToS?
warm plinth
You can still get it in tier 3
opaque yarrow
So you'd take blood with Vrykul?
warm plinth
No, I have a rage of the fallen relic that has Bastion in the third tier of the netherlight crucible
warm plinth
No, you just can't get Bastion easily as the primary trait
So it's easier to just get it in T3 most of the time
opaque yarrow
I have iron and fire as Bastion primary now
Can we maybe meet ingame , might talk a lil easier
warm plinth
You can get a blood relic that has x trait as its primary, and then T3 of the crucible can have Bastion. So that's how you would get the third one typically. Or if you want a higher ilevel fire, you'll have to get lucky in T3, since the only fire relic that has Bastion as the primary is from world quests (which cap on forging far lower than the cap)
opaque yarrow
So as long as Bastion is T3 its good enough
warm plinth
Yeah there's no difference in getting a trait in "T0" or T3. It's still the same trait.
maiden ravine
gotta have your own key
warped cave
Good day people. I tried to find an answer via search but returned empty handed. What do you like using in mythic plus ? I don't have an arcano on my war nor amanthul. Is the pantheon trinket any good in mythic plus do you think ? I have access to a mythic codex and a 950 apoc 😃 codex is nice on heavy aoe tanking but when is the pantheon good; "should" it be equipped all the time? Mine's only 945 tho.
for aoe damage I use a 960 terrorbound X)
sick sentinel
well.. pantheon is just a huge STR statstick with Vers proc out of Antorus.
Once u have it on a higher itemlevel .. like 980 or smth. .. u will unlikely have compareable STR statsticks at this ilvl
thats why alot of us run it at least as a ST dps trinket in m+
im wearing mine for AOE often too .. mainly cuz of that 30sec internally CD thingy on on-use trinkets
thats been said .. ur alternatives are indeed stronger for m+ atm. but once it hits higher ilvl u will most likely equip it just for the STR
so far i´d go codex/apoc for AOE survival, codex/terror for AOE dps, apoc/pantheon for ST
✌ gl sir!
sick sentinel
btw is Terminus beacon a thing on prot? or is it tuned down ?
chilly hemlock
it's weird, looking at the spelldata in simc, the trinket doesn't seem to be nerfed for non ranged dps, or tanks
I assume this is because you need to be at >12 yards from the area where you're using it to use it efficiently : if the ship summoned by the /use is in the area of effect, it will deal damage to itself and will be destroyed before doing all the damage
fleet galleon
IIRC someone said they got decent use out of it by using it almost like a pre-pot before the pull, and then swapping to their actual trinkets because it takes a couple seconds to do damage and put you in combat. I can't imagine it's any good as one of your actual trinkets though
sick sentinel
yeah if you want to use it proper use it then charge inside
but i rather use glaives
was just wonderin .. i got 930 glaives atm tho .. but barely using them
that terminus precast acutally sounds funnygud 😄
sick sentinel
hmm.. what´s the actual gcd haste % ? its the faboulus 116%, eh?
outer oasis
Is it a good idea to drop a few main stats for avoidance?
outer oasis
is there a healthy number or just boss specific
timid jay
Thats mostly boss specific
For argus M, definitely
Other bosses its probably not worth as much
sick sentinel
@timid jay thx! 👍
fleet galleon
Does Foe Breaker also count as AoE? @timid jay
timid jay
I belive it does
fleet galleon
Okay, so avoidance would be good there as well, I imagine. Good to know!
timid jay
foe breaker is a joke with nf though
unless you take double for no reason i dont see much reason to stack avoidance
fleet galleon
Yeah, that's true. Good general knowledge if I'm on another class though
junior ivy
does foe breaker hit really hard on mythic i alwsays see it mentioned
on heroic i dont even think about it
and its never killed me
junior ivy
yeah i uusally use just IP on heroic, SB if its available
but it isnt alwZYs
always*
fleet galleon
Just use NF
fleet galleon
Don't need to complete the channel though
Just get hit and run
My hp doesn't even move on heroic
timid jay
Whats the base damage on heroic?
fleet galleon
Lemme check
timid jay
around 25M right=
sick sentinel
yeah around 25m
fleet galleon
17.8
junior ivy
so hard tryin to find a heroic nighthold grouyp for tichondrius
timid jay
hmmm
fleet galleon
How many bastion relics though?
timid jay
7/7 in bastion
fleet galleon
So you'd take a million if you crit block. Assuming 10k armor yeah?
timid jay
11697 armor, 7785 versa and 1000 avoidance
junior ivy
if it does so mcuh damage how come my health never goes down
and i dont alway suse SB?
use
fleet galleon
Passive block chance
junior ivy
i only have 9.5 mil health
timid jay
Yeah, ignore pain and RNG blocks I guess
timid jay
My normal IP cap without any procs is around 5.2M effective absorb
timid jay
No, theres no instant teleport there
junior ivy
so what boss would i have to kill
timid jay
Well, you cant teleport directly to him but you dont need to clear any bosses if you have the skip
sharp dew
Am I winning yet?
junior ivy
oh okay
fleet galleon
Aluriel
junior ivy
how many people would i need to kill tichondrius?
timid jay
You can skip aluriel
fleet galleon
Oh you can? Oh well
fleet galleon
10 people, I'd say.
sharp dew
Dang....
timid jay
Can be done with less, but getting a 10man group shouldnt be too hard
Could link the spreadsheet if you want to, for foe breaker
sharp dew
If BV wasn't so good in m+ into the fray would be pretty op
timid jay
Wouldn't really call it OP, 15% haste isnt that massive
sharp dew
true but it's still a lot
fleet galleon
If it wasn't capped at 5 targets, it could be good. Especially if there wasn't tier synergy I think
hollow gorge
Time for Argus
timid jay
Tbh its not really needed
hollow gorge
Since most people don't even do it
shut summit
if the strat was to live as many as possible it'd be worth it
hollow gorge
still struggling with aggr last phase
shut summit
but since you die to prevent orbs anyways its pointless
hollow gorge
10-11% wipes
does feel good to literally being able to solo tank argus on hc though
final mist
There's no need for the Mastery meme build, you'll most likely do more DPS just handling shit regularly, which helps since Argus has a somewhat tight DPS check.
You'll live just as well playing the normal build.
compact geyser
@sharp dew go indomitable cause health 😂
Also bladestorm/ravager helm is a must.
😂 👌
sharp dew
Don’t worry I got my royal dagger haft and unbridled fury from EN to give me the extra health boost 😎
undone sun
🤦
compact geyser
Very good...very 👌
Idk why this terrible meme makes me so happy on the inside. Sigh...
daring charm
I feel like I've ready all the pinned posts for relic traits, I also tried icy-veins to see if they had any. Im new to Prot Warrior and I'm just wondering how many ilvls Bastion is worth?
timid jay
Yes
pearl wolf
4x tos and 2x antorus tier bonusses or 4x antorus and 2x tos?
which one is better
I have wrist and ring legendary
battlelord one
timid jay
Depends a lot on ilvl
timid jay
Doesnt tell me much, ilvl on individual pices matter would tell me more
pearl wolf
1 930 1 920 tier pieces from tos
4x 950 tier pieces from antorus
antorus pieces, hands 955 chest 950 legg 950 head 950
shoulder 930 head 920 tos
timid jay
I'd just use t21 4p then
unborn island
I'd use 2p,in order to use kakushans:)
fleet galleon
Wow. That is something I've never seen said before
sick sentinel
nah.. its more like
fleet galleon
Yes, but that doesn't mean you have to hate it lol
sick sentinel
timid jay
yeah
pearl wolf
ahahahaha
timid jay
kaku is still really strong
upper violet
@timid jay
timid jay
?
upper violet
hi
timid jay
Hey
upper violet
how r u cosmo
upper violet
gr8
timid jay
yeah just got it done for all my alts
timid jay
upper violet
unborn island
@timid jay it is such ass.
simple lintel
Hey guys I got the bracers a week ago and the belt this morning. Is that basically top tier for Mythic Plus?
strong hill
Ya belt on mythic plus is amazing
deft sapphire
I’d generally say belt + gloves are better in m+ than bracers because hopefully you have a healer
I only really use bracers on bosses
simple lintel
Also is soul of the battlelord any good? I unlocked every arms Lego except prydaz, sephuz, kiljaden, and soul. I switched to prot for Loot because I wasn't sure if I needed any of those
timid jay
Soul isnt really used with t21 anymore
fleet galleon
@deft sapphire I'd say it's up to how much confidence you have in your healer
When pugging, that's 0 for me, so I put on bracers
clever cliff
Hi, guys. Does anyone know if Spell Reflect can help reset my stacks on the Smouldering DoT on Felhounds Heroic?
Or does it just mitigate the DoT damage for some seconds?
deft sapphire
it just mitigates
clever cliff
Thanks
bright mortar
wintry furnace
^ I'm stuck with either Shoulders and Grand army ring, or Grand army ring and Destiny diver.
hallow phoenix
Destiny driver is lots of stats
wintry furnace
I've got a 935 Crafted chest atm, with haste mastery on it
hallow phoenix
What other shoulders you got
junior ivy
pugging coven heroic is like the msot hit or miss thing ever
sometimes its a smooth one shot
sometimes its 12 attempts cycling through dozens of people
hallow phoenix
I once made a pug group of people with 8+ coven kills and 75+ parses, and it was a total shit show. Then joined some random pug and one shot it..
Just totally nonsensical
shut summit
no
timid jay
Nope
compact hinge
still need it in raids?
timid jay
Nope
timid jay
4p for survivability and p2 if you're only looking for damage
compact hinge
pure damage then, lego wise?
wintry furnace
If I were to guess, gloves/belt?
broken panther
What are the thoughts on 2p 2p for dps? Pulled 1.4 on vari Hc with, but when I traded t20 for ilvl I'm consistently 200k lower
3 min kill average
timid jay
I'm not a fan of 2p 2p unless you have high ilvl t20
grave oyster
Just got Mannoroth's bracers as my fourth legendary, already have the heroic leap shoulders, sephuz and grand army. What would be the ideal setup for Mythic + / Normal Antorus? I'm thinking Mannoroth's and Sephuz/Grand Army depending on the fight
hallow phoenix
Shoulders are good on Kin'garoth imo
warm plinth
If you're doing Garothi on mythic, do you have to run out for Eradication?
warm plinth
Alright I was pretty sure that was the case but didn't wanna sound dumb 🙃
polar silo
when swapping from t20 to t21 do ur talents/lego priorities change aswell?
timid jay
No, you only free up warlords challenge tier and vengeance becomes shit
Rest is pretty much the same
ember arrow
is it worth saving SB while concordance is active i wonder?
or alternatively, delaying DS after concordance
warm plinth
I wouldn't think so. You're losing damage in both cases, and unless you need more tankiness between procs, it's not worth it defensively either.
warm plinth
Oh you mean in M+
ember arrow
and then get buttfucked
warm plinth
Hm, what's your conc proc at now?
warm plinth
I think you could definitely delay DS because it's relatively close. I think SB is risky though, especially if it's a heavy melee pack
ember arrow
lvl 1000
ye thats why alternative is delay DS for conc
so SB is still uop
since SB metigates way more than DS
on melees
warm plinth
I'd go that route first probably on the melee heavy packs
Tracking conc procs; this is what we've come to!
ember arrow
well its pretty damn substantial proc
warm plinth
Yeah.
ember arrow
kinda waste to just let it happen
if i need to go min max
prob on 23+ keys i noticed
i take 0 dmg becasue DS + conc
as i mentioned
then i get pummeled
so i was thinking, maybe take some dmg, all the time
than 0 dmg or 3123123123 dmg
warm plinth
Yeah, good point
ember arrow
so i take 100-3.6 = 96.4% off dmg
then i take 100-17.6= 82.4
pretty much a DS
if my maths are correct
steady slate
what leggos would you recommend for this week in mythic+? anything stand out over the rest?
ember arrow
the usual
warm plinth
Not really.
ember arrow
belt/gloves/wrists
steady slate
i normally run belt/gloves
warm plinth
Same
ember arrow
ye
if u dont need surv
i see first pack
if healer is questionable
take wrists
otherwise same
steady slate
should i consider using crackling thunder to get more use from the belt?
warm plinth
If you're pulling properly, Crackling Thunder will do nothing for the belt.
sick sentinel
i always go with bracers so healer can also dps amount of damage you get from belt is not that high so if healer can also dps its better
or at least if they can just worry about dps players
warm plinth
The amount of DPS you get from belt depends entirely on pack size. If you're doing AoE (especially large or long-lasting packs), you should be running belt if damage is your concern.
I would replace gloves with bracers before belt if it was on AoE
Of the type I noted above
long bronze
dps with belt is freaking insane on m+ trash
glacial sage
silly boi
fathom gulch
for anyone else experiencing issues with wago Microsoft Edge works wonders
copper ridge
So I just got eye trink. Which should I run if Ipair with raid trink
Stam or strength
ember arrow
str is decent dps stick, or poor mans dmd
stam is purely defensive
neither is particularly amazing though
sick sentinel
What leggos would you recommend for mythic HC? I've been usuing Thunder God and Bracers or Thunder God and Walls Fell
ember arrow
i used hands/wrists, but in hindsight wrists wastn needed
lowest dmg fight i had in ages
sick sentinel
So bracers and waist is good?
ember arrow
belt cud be good because alot of adds
sick sentinel
Yes
ember arrow
but boss does 0 dmg
sick sentinel
Right
sick sentinel
Yes
ember arrow
if u swap at 2 that is
sick sentinel
I like walls fell for extra rage
ember arrow
i think its whatever u like tbh
sick sentinel
Plus I can use shield wall like every other swap
ember arrow
that fight has no specific equirements
ember arrow
np
sick sentinel
What about mythic PK
I might get to it tonight if everything dies quick
I'm thinking same leggos as HC
sick sentinel
I guess Thunder God and Bracers is the way to go, there is so many adds
ember arrow
use ur cds on cd when actively tanking
hazy zinc
What's teh current Haste soft-cap?
Also, respecing to Devestator doubled my dps, thanks guys!
long bronze
940 will to survive light speed bastion vs 945 dragonskin dark sorrows bastion ?
aka is will -> dragonskin > light speed -> dark sorrows
sick sentinel
just hang on 940 will and forgot the other thing ever dropped ? 🤔
junior ivy
wheres best place to farm mote of harmony for a prot warrior?
ancient ore
whats the best race for prot warrior on alliance
junior ivy
gnome
junior ivy
um dont take that too seriously
i just love gnomes 😦
i dunno which race is actually best
junior ivy
any race would be fine