lol
#protection
prisma crane
yea but say imonar or portal keeper
they do more dmg over time than argus, but argus just hurts a lot in specific planned moments
argus is literally all about learning his timing
once you get that down, it gets a lot easier
like
A LOT easier
prisma crane
he does fuck you here and there, but when i get caught with my pants down, i just hit SW and i'm gtg
fresh dragon
with 4xT20 + 2xT21 set my stats become
prisma crane
w/ SW and IP you should be able to face tank a 2nd hit np
undone sun
^
fresh dragon
37.57 haste
crit 21.30
vers 11.29
mast 41.84
armor 10169
block 28.61
prisma crane
more hp though in 4p T21
fresh dragon
ALL stats goes down
timid jay
Tier combo is much more suited to sustained damage, argus is more burst
languid rose
unless you have godly t20's you're dropping a lot of armor and vitality which means you'll need more cd stacking to live through scythe
undone sun
first week of prog i tried the tier combo but ended up using t21
shut summit
Avoidance is godtier as well if you have random pieces with it
prisma crane
^
undone sun
used a 910 whod with avoidance π
fresh dragon
dont have anything with avoidance
in the t20 and t21
btw i need somethjing that keep me alive
timid jay
T21 4p would have saved you, DmD would have saved you, kaku or TWF would have saved you (instead of ararats)
fresh dragon
i dont need to rank dps
prisma crane
during BC they balance out
languid rose
that means a bigger IP would still be up
prisma crane
if you had just 110k more IP prior, you would have lived
prisma crane
even if the IP was fully consumed, you'd have more base HP to start
languid rose
we're still on legion IP, not bfa IP
fresh dragon
if i've EATEN stamina food and not haste food i survived π
prisma crane
sure
timid jay
So equip Dmd?
prisma crane
you're never hit for 300k unless you include IP
fresh dragon
dmd?
final mist
prisma crane
you can survive with base block and IP
final mist
What's going on in here?
languid rose
maths
fathom hollow
i'm learning how to play prot
prisma crane
fucky argus scythe timings in P1
final mist
2 + 2 is 4, minus 1 that's 3, quik mafs
prisma crane
that's about it
prisma crane
so smaht
final mist
Also Argus Scythes are weird, sometimes you'll crit block, sometimes you won't, when you do and you need them you'll praise Jesus, when you do need them and you don't, you'll scream anyways
I've never been religious but I was on Argus prog (also because I was there for more than a month but let's not talk about that).
languid rose
tell us more
prisma crane
just know that if timings screw up your SB and IP, like he delays the cast, just use LS or SW anyways
they come back so fast it's pointless to worry
final mist
TL;DR, t20 + t21 is really good for sustained damage but not big bursts like Argus, so use t21 2pc at least and your highest ilevel otherwise
prisma crane
9.9m hit, we know, but you didnt have enough of an IP up
fresh dragon
kratossss
prisma crane
how much IP was consumed in the melee prior to that hit
fresh dragon
my IP was killed
prisma crane
yes, how much was killed?
fresh dragon
0.43sec
languid rose
2.8M iirc i don't have it open
prisma crane
again, how much IP
fresh dragon
2.8
sharp fern
No vore in this channel please
prisma crane
so half of a low "max" IP amount
you only needed that 2.8m to be a 3m and you'd have lived
final mist
Takkero how much Avoidance do you have?
timid jay
500
fresh dragon
π
fresh dragon
i hate the warrior tank... cant we be like DK?
prisma crane
thankfully, no
final mist
If you hate Warriors, why are you one?
fresh dragon
we fucking have to become math professor..
timid jay
Lul
final mist
You have shit stats and no Avoidance, shits gonna hurt
languid rose
you had a small IP...
prisma crane
no, just have to be chronologists
shut summit
Lmao
fresh dragon
why shit stats?
timid jay
I mean, DK's have a much harder time on argus scythes than warrior do
final mist
Low Vers, and no avoidance
timber snow
wet dream....bastion of aspects + light speed + dragon skin
fresh dragon
NO AVOIDANCE..
timid jay
@viral arch Warrior vs DK on scythes?
final mist
Avoidance is by far the best stat for Argus
timid jay
Triggered yet by block?
fresh dragon
well.. TELL ME which BOSS DROP AVOIDANCE
viral arch
Depends
prisma crane
i mean i do fine and im at only 6/7 bastion
fresh dragon
100%?
timid jay
Regular, dont want someone that has stooped as low as me
round hornet
theres the rings from Seat of the Triumvirate
final mist
^
viral arch
honestly
final mist
I farmed those
viral arch
warrior is way better on scythes even before avoidance gets into the balance
fresh dragon
/facepalm...
viral arch
DK, on the other hand, really shines on orbs
final mist
If you're having this much trouble, just save yourself the rest of it and swap to BRM
prisma crane
tank him at 945 lol
undone sun
yup, even dk has a rough time on scythes
fresh dragon
have to pray that something good with AVOIDANCE drop..
prisma crane
doesnt even have to be good
final mist
^
final mist
I'm using a high crit, low haste neck because it has like 800 avoidance
undone sun
it's worth an ilevel drop
final mist
I dropped 30 ilevels on my belt for a 600 avoidance belt
I dropped another 30 on my ring for more avoidance
It's that good because everything on Argus, sans melees, is reduced by it
And he doesn't melee hard at all
prisma crane
it'll also help keep your IP up while tanking and aoe raid dmg is going out
it's not dangerous to us, but does hinder our IP somewhat
round hornet
No shame in being a monk, you can complain in their discord about accidentally living through too many scythes with no defensively up instead
prisma crane
and in your case, just enough perhaps
languid rose
i would switch the titanguard tho
prisma crane
dots from chains / rages / edges affected by it?
fresh dragon
ok but if u tell me that i have to use 4xt20 + 2xt21
prisma crane
no one has said that yet
final mist
You don't
fresh dragon
i cant equip
final mist
I literally said the opposite
languid rose
everybody has said 4t20 would be bad
fresh dragon
YOU
prisma crane
2p T21 adn ilvl
languid rose
no they said 4p
ember arrow
omegalul
languid rose
as in t21 4p
timid jay
Everyone has said 4p
prisma crane
no, we said it was BiS for constant heavy dmg
timid jay
and t21 4p
final mist
I don't care what someone else said, I literally told you the opposite
prisma crane
which argus is not
final mist
[7:14 PM] Sal: TL;DR, t20 + t21 is really good for sustained damage but not big bursts like Argus, so use t21 2pc at least and your highest ilevel otherwise
languid rose
takkero maybe get some air
final mist
At least 2, if you have the 4pc and it's your highest ilevel, great good use it, if not, don't
fresh dragon
im confused
prisma crane
start with this, your best 2 T21 and gloves and TWF
wear Darkmoon trinket
fill in the rest with your best items, if that includes 2 more T21, great, if not, no worries
fresh dragon
with gloves 965 haste versatility
final mist
Great, that's almost the Avoidance cap
shut summit
π€¦
undone sun
π€¦
fresh dragon
and Apocalipse drive 960
timid jay
That removed 1.5M damage from 2nd scythe
fresh dragon
DMD?
languid rose
no, the avoidance
final mist
Darkmoon Deck
timid jay
Dude
shut summit
Lmfao
timid jay
I told you darkmoon deck 3 times aalready
languid rose
and dmd
prisma crane
lol, the same DMD as before
undone sun
yes but we've explained it multiple times now
languid rose
darkmoon faire card thing
prisma crane
DMD =
fresh dragon
and i remove the aggramar 1000 ilvl trinket?
prisma crane
no
prisma crane
you use that for your raid
fresh dragon
with avoidance
languid rose
π€ math time
prisma crane
hmm, then maybe for now, but that's up to you, what was the other trinket?
prisma crane
ahh
fresh dragon
1477 haste
prisma crane
idk, personally i'd drop it for the pantheon one, or keep it and drop the dmd
undone sun
that's the better option tbh
prisma crane
dropping the dmd?
undone sun
dropped pantheon
prisma crane
ah, yea
jade wyvern
i skimmed thru this and i rly hope this guy isn't tanking MYTHIC argus
sounds like you just rolled warrior :3
fresh dragon
so.. remove the pantheon for DMD?
prisma crane
you get used to it, but it's certainly not snap your fingers easy like aggramar
yea
fresh dragon
DMD + Apocalipse drive avoidance
prisma crane
yep
fresh dragon
my IP dropped by 100k
prisma crane
yea but
fresh dragon
with STR lose
round hornet
but with avoidence your removing a million damage from scythe
fresh dragon
ye i get armor
prisma crane
your dmg taken from everything but his weak melees goes way down
timid jay
Then it would be 200k overkill bro
prisma crane
and even melees goes down cuz of armor
scythe double dips
reduced from armor and avoidance
pure abyss
DMD over 960 Diimas for Agrus?
prisma crane
for dmg reduction, yea
fresh dragon
@_@
round hornet
I think overall DMD I will reduce more damage, but Diimas is good if you need it to survive a scythe.
pure abyss
I dont have the issues Tak is having - I feel pretty comfortable rotating personals through scythe
round hornet
the on use lasts time for 2 scythes iirc
prisma crane
i hit just shy of 20k armor with artifact proc and diima's up
languid rose
now somebody get a 980 eye with avoidance π€
pure abyss
I'm thinking Diimas is the way to go.. esp if it coveres 2 scythes
prisma crane
it will later on, not likely in P1
fresh dragon
thanks Murdoc for coming and get me more confued π
round hornet
ye, I mean for scythe 3 and 4 in p3
prisma crane
yea but
pure abyss
copy - yeah I understand char
prisma crane
jsut SW 3rd and NF 4th
timid jay
I mean, avoidance and versa does massive things for the scythes if you want consistency
If he has more, well then he will handle scythes a lot easier
Especially if he has t21 4p
prisma crane
i wouldnt go out of your way to stack it
timid jay
Theres no magic number
pure abyss
I've got a 20 avoidance set with old T20 pieces ill be testing out - I've also got Aman'Thuls for the avoidance proc
jade wyvern
murphy a dick
fresh dragon
with this setup i have:
14.82 crit
40.27 haste
16.50 vers
35.94 mastery
16.75% avoid
23.82 parry
27.36 block
final mist
You don't really use Aman's for the proc, you use it for the raid DPS and static stats
pure abyss
^%
final mist
Yeah, I'd never take Aman's off
languid rose
and dat sexy strength
prisma crane
i can get 100% mastery, 20% avoidance, 2p2p, but it feels weird lol, plus i dont want issues in P3
prisma crane
for dmg Aman's is better in ABT, but worse in 5 mans
fresh dragon
with this setup i have:
14.82 crit
40.27 haste
16.50 vers
35.94 mastery
16.75% avoid
23.82 parry
27.36 block
what do u think? o/
jade wyvern
you just said that
prisma crane
well, mostly just talking about avoidance
final mist
They look fine.
final mist
You not having any avoidance at all was a massive problem
jade wyvern
you weren't really asking a question as much as demanding an answer
there is a difference
prisma crane
not to mention that you've gained DMD so you have more armor
final mist
And make sure you look at logs and practice and shit, because, being frank here, I highly doubt gear is the sole issue
It never is
Take a step back, examine your own play for real, and make sure you play better
prisma crane
who's frank π€
jade wyvern
the green power ranger
fresh dragon
well.... the fact is that we are not sure about the tactic and btw its not that im ALWAYS dying in P1
prisma crane
but yea, what Sal said is super true for P1, you'll figure out the timing and it gets a lot easier
timid jay
Just leaving this here since you drop your IP
prisma crane
P1 takes a lot longer than P2 to master
fresh dragon
ohhhhh and when they get greedy to take the orb buff
and they take the cone in da face
is the bestr
best
prisma crane
that tclap mid SS spam is π¦
languid rose
also wasn't needed to keep up the tclap debuff
round hornet
I think it was the 2nd anyways I forget
that you always need to wait
(someone else always yells at me)
timid jay
@fresh dragon To be frank, your BC and DS usage is very poor when looking over logs
fresh dragon
BC . DS
timid jay
You should really brush up on the basics of prot warrior this tier
fresh dragon
?
undone sun
battle cry
fresh dragon
Batle cry
undone sun
demo shout
timid jay
Battle cry and demoralizing should
final mist
You should be able to survive 2 scythes with just SB and IP
timid jay
Doesnt change the fact that you have massive gaps in BC
final mist
Use DS and BC on CD
timid jay
And besides, the extra rage would be more than enough for a IP buffer so you dont die
prisma crane
yea
fresh dragon
i use BC on CD.
languid rose
si
final mist
Nah Lev, this is normal
timid jay
ember arrow
how do u not know that shit
timid jay
Thats not on CD
ember arrow
on mythic
timid jay
20 seconds in, next one at 1min
round hornet
@ember arrow bosses before hand don't hurt π
round hornet
except imonar lol
prisma crane
good healers?
round hornet
I just mean you don't need to play well for the earlier bosses this late in the tier
you feel me
languid rose
there are people with aotc that parse 5% so...
prisma crane
@fresh dragon you need to make sure you only use shield slam during battle cry
languid rose
anything is possible
final mist
BC, especially when Lust is up, should look like this: https://i.imgur.com/LXvjVNL.png
On CD
prisma crane
and you need to make sure you're not capping rage
final mist
That's first immediately on pull, second right when it comes up at 17 seconds, and then the 3rd at 36.
On CD, spam SS, every time.
Every BC window.
final mist
If you're not doing this, you are playing incorrectly.
languid rose
why?
final mist
Then you're doing it wrong.
final mist
Why aren't you pulling first then?
languid rose
then tank first?
fresh dragon
RL dont want..
round hornet
if your other tank starts then tell them to taunt first then press their buttons for the bonus threat
fresh dragon
i obey
languid rose
then other tank pull with taunt
final mist
Then tell your RL to either have you pull or have the other tank get good.
fresh dragon
argus is very RAGING for a guild
prisma crane
Argus is a dps race, and you're being told to sit on stuff that makes you do more dmg
final mist
You are actively making yourself worse to elevate someone who is playing badly.
languid rose
and that doesn't explain why you're not using BC more often
fresh dragon
so i dont wanna cause more flame
languid rose
even if you can't on pull because dumbdumbs, you can still use it all the other times
final mist
Tell your RL to come here so I can flame him myself, or link him a picture of me doing so, because that's just so wildly incorrect I don't even know what else to say.
fresh dragon
PC coz i use Omen and when im over aggro
the other tank
ill even stop casting
abilities
final mist
[7:46 PM] Sal: You are actively making yourself worse to elevate someone who is playing badly.
Read that.
Think about what you do.
Think about it some more.
Wonder why you're playing so badly.
ember arrow
wat
timid jay
LOL
fresh dragon
ill adapt
ember arrow
wtf
round hornet
lol funny enough someone earlier today ranted in this channel about getting kicked today because he out threat other tanks
kicked from his guild
final mist
Then have fun on Argus, because I forced my tanks to get better with the same problem.
ember arrow
so because other tank cant press his buttons
timid jay
Do you want to kill argus or not lol?
ember arrow
u gotta butcher ur rotation
languid rose
if you aren't using BC you aren't generating rage
languid rose
if you aren't generating rage you aren't IP'ing or reducing your cd's
fresh dragon
tomorrow
languid rose
and you will die
fresh dragon
well.. levko at real at the start
as second tank i get 0 damage
and i pump up all the IP
and rage before taunting
when i taunt the boss my IP is maxed
languid rose
this is your tank on BC
final mist
If they are not, you are playing wrong, and you are actively hurting your own play and dying because of it.
undone sun
:t21prot: :t21prot: :t21prot: :t21prot:
final mist
Because the other tank can't play.
long bronze
yay I just got fury helm
languid rose
fury with BC that often would be class fantasy
fresh dragon
Sal as i told its not that i die EVERY TRY
final mist
No, but you actively hindering yourself is more than likely a cause for your death.
fresh dragon
more of the time we wipe coz other raid memebers die from fog,... cone.. debuff..
fresh dragon
ok but i take it easy.. ill ask how to improve but im not aiming to be
a pro player
top 100 world
ember arrow
nothing to do
final mist
I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You should not lower your own play because of other players' inability to play well.
ember arrow
with pro player
final mist
That's it.
fresh dragon
i thanks u all for ur help and i will try this setup gear 2morrow
giving u a review
fleet galleon
Review?
fresh dragon
druid
ember arrow
ULTRALUL
wintry furnace
I'm going to ask the Group here, I've got a new Prot warrior, Still trying to unlock the "Wear two Leggos" Thing. What would be better, Destiny Diver (The chest) Or The NLC Ring?
fresh dragon
btw we are trying to master the P1
fleet galleon
Definitely not destiny driver
ember arrow
well in my mythic fights, the druid cotank bnever lost aggro
fresh dragon
Levko not all the players are the same..
fleet galleon
But if your warrior is boosted, it probably doesn't have many T2 traits unlocked either
wintry furnace
All I have Is Diver, The ring, and Bunny hop shoulders. So I guess Ill just use the ring.
fleet galleon
No no, this was about the guy asking about DD and NLC
fresh dragon
Levko italian servers are not in the position to kick some1 from their guild
(mythic progress)
we totally have a problem of lacks of players that wanna play mythic
fleet galleon
Oh well, NLC ring for sure then
wintry furnace
Alright. Just stick with that. Hopefully I get something better.
fleet galleon
I didn't know how recently you boosted it haha
wintry furnace
Uhh. Playtime is 1 day 9 hours.
fresh dragon
@timid jay @final mist @undone sun @languid rose @prisma crane and everyone else... thanks for ur help
prisma crane
np, GL next raid
timid jay
Np, thanks for the ping
prisma crane
you'll feel the avoidance
undone sun
:thumbsup:
wanton finch
is running 4p t20/2p t21 still the way to go?
fleet galleon
If you need CD's often yes, but most people have moved past it for item level now
wanton finch
so i should try out t21 4p until i get in trouble with surviving cuz of my cds?
fleet galleon
Up to personal preference.
If you feel comfortable that you won't need your big cd's as often as they're up, you can switch to T21
wanton finch
okay thanks
pure abyss
@timid jay The scythe damage spreadsheet you screenshotted above... is it available online?
timid jay
Yeah it is
Gimme a second, thats not the whole spreadsheet just something I whipped up fast for him
pure abyss
Much appreciated sir ty
timid jay
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pv6xnZQKFwzAUzPvKmXtGje8zMLQasQK9dpA0YgONd4/edit#gid=1731903220
Made by faide over at dreamgrove, no credit goes to me π
Im not 100% that the soulbomb and soulburst damage is correct but scythes are
pure abyss
Thanks so much!
timber nest
Any tips of prioritizing dmg on mythic garothi? im bursting 1.5m or higher every time im tanking the boss but i still end around 850k
prisma crane
3 tank
timber nest
LOL
prisma crane
thats how the top ones did it
shut summit
just tank the bombardments
step in at last second before it goes off and knocks you towards boss
was 1.51 last week tanking them when fight ended but nobody logged π°
round hornet
ye
just watch the angle you might accidental;ly make yourself fly the wrong way and not be able to hit the boss π
timber nest
what do you nbeed to do to tank the bombardment? like what cds normally?
@shut summit what cds were you using to tank the bombardment?
shut summit
Spell reflect is up for each one, then last stand or sw if it's feelin sketchy
Demo is normally up at some point during it too
And yea you just get knocked higher and higher, as long as you can hit boss can just spam ip
timber nest
so its fire dmg? or physical dmg?
timber nest
oh nice
shut summit
(Purely for damage btw, don't recommend whatsoever if undergeared/ progging it)
timber nest
im 965, and have 7 kills on it so far
prisma crane
death RP in argus atm, just did P1 adn 2 without DBM....
something something scythe timings
timber nest
whats 50% DR multiplied by 20%
trying to see how much DR ill have with SR and demo shout for bombardment
timber nest
so
SR would reduce it by 50%
then demo shout would reduce it by another 40%?
or im confused how id take more dmg than just using SR
timid jay
It becomes 60% Dr with Ds+sr
undone sun
60% DR, 40% original damage taken
timid jay
I.e. you take 40% of the damage
timber nest
oh ok
timid jay
Main reason I phrased it like that is because it's easy to remember and to work with
undone sun
π‘
junior ivy
its just T1 !!
timid jay
(1-DR1)(1-DR2)*journal damage=damage taken
junior ivy
with the stupid alliance lance
timid jay
It's the yellow T1 though right? From trial of style
junior ivy
nope i switched back to normal
but this dk randomly is like "whos the gnome with rhe really bad transmog"
timid jay
Good, the yellow one is horrible
junior ivy
yeha i used it f or 1 day and missed the original too much
long bronze
18 upper kara turned into 20 seat π
timid jay
The strange accent colour on the yellow set makes it so bad
glad holly
960 horn of valor any good?
prisma crane
selectively good
compact geyser
GOT RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVAGER HELM BOIS!!! THE MEME IS ALIVE
jade socket
π€’
undone sun
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
languid rose
but you can mount before pull?
prisma crane
yea, but i forgot
you die like 4 times in that fight
we had a 20% tonight already
undone sun
lol yup
prisma crane
so far we're looking ok
undone sun
rip repair bills once you get to p3
prisma crane
yep
cinder nova
Help lads
Got that Sco stat syndrome when he was in TOS
Shitloads of mast/vers losing my haste
Thyme, do you think it's a bad idea to use shatug on Imonar?
undone sun
not really, if you need the ehp
cinder nova
I don't think I NEED it, but they're having us clear bridge so the mine stacks make me antsy
sick sentinel
960 apoc drive or 960 diimas for mythic agg
glacial vale
I cleared kin'garoth on all 4 difficulties this week and still had no apoc trinket drop. FeelsBadMan
timber nest
π 4/11M tonight, high command dead π
shut summit
:ok_hand:
undone sun
π
maiden ravine
Renewed Fury doesn't proc Ceann-ar right?
undone sun
no
sonic lichen
is 950 item lvl for prot mage tower enough to beat?
undone sun
easily
winged marsh
definitely
undone sun
it can be done as low as 890
sonic lichen
okay im trying to get the appearence before bfa haha
junior ivy
at what ilvl do fury and arms mage towers become trivial?
sonic lichen
I have prydaz, and class ring
undone sun
pretty much the same ilevel you beat the tank one
sonic lichen
is that okay for the challenge?
undone sun
eh, it's not great
sonic lichen
what is reccomended?
sonic lichen
sweet ill start farming for prot leggos
i main arms, dont like fury much
wanna do prot for 2nd spec
winged marsh
π
junior ivy
apparently i can make money selling engineering pets named pierre
and now im gonna get rich.
dire comet
Anyone has any tips for pulling in HOV for teeming + explosive in the area after the first boss before the grand hall? My team got destroyed in a +10 there last night but we are relatively undergeared 920-930+ ilvl scores only.
proven sandal
5ilvls or a Gem slot. Piece is H/M
undone sun
on what armor slot
proven sandal
Chest
eager phoenix
@dire comet On teeming weeks (always) and/or fortified weeks (depending on other affixes) I recommend using Bloodlust on the pack before Halls rather than on Hymdall. Pull everything together and use cds. This applies to everyone in the group. Focus the casters (start with thundercaller - who casts the aoe stun). If its still hard CC is not unheard of.
restive scroll
Another way is to cc 2 caster if you can on the first pack, it's a lot easier. for the other big 2 packs, (dragon/before hall) I use a lot of stun early, try to get as much threat as possible, and kite. For that you need someone that slow a lot though. And remember to kick the heals from the mystics, otherwise this will go on for ages.
The thing to remember, is that in HOV (especially there), it's not the damage you take. It's the damage your group takes.
dire comet
We did cc them but there were too many explosives. Ended up kiting them to the spawn point lol...
restive scroll
Well yeah, you still have to kite a damn long way. But they don't cast. And explosive are still #1 priority
dire comet
Would it be good to spec out of devastator u get an attack that is reliable to hit the explosives? Was thinking of that
restive scroll
btw, explosive only explode for like 40 yard or something
restive scroll
probably a bit more to not be outrange by caster, I never checked. But you can outrange them
dire comet
They can be los-ed as well?
undone sun
yes you can
dire comet
Thks will give it a try! Still new to tanking in wow lol
restive scroll
get use to it, once you get a nice taste, you never go back ;)
heady warren
Nice taste of getting oneshotted
restive scroll
that's not a nice taste >_<
mortal carbon
anyone got the argus scythe sheet? will tank it end of the month :killme:
dont want to log to my guardian again
undone sun
mortal carbon
thx
dire comet
Yeah got one shotted by the dragon breath last night haha
mortal carbon
surv best legos there? trinket legs?
undone sun
same as usual, legs aren't needed unless you're orb soaker and even then it's manageable without
more than enough CDs for make AHR not needed defensively
used bracers/twf for most of prog, meant to switch to gloves instead of ring for the rekill but forgot to save gear sets
π
mortal carbon
saw it rank 13 thyme
undone sun
yeh
old zephyr
Someone was wondering yesterday if we can beat bdk in term of healing done. The answer is Yes. I just did it yesterday on about half of the bosses of ou raid
(HM 8 First. We still have to much personnal mistakes for shyvaras
undone sun
if you included inspiring pres and the absorb being ignore pain, sure but pure self healing that's not possible
technicalities
which was stated when the question was originally brought up iirc
mortal carbon
thyme anyway to copy the google sheet?
midnight citrus
File -> Download As -> pick one
undone sun
Click file and then Make a Copy also works
mortal carbon
oh wow normally i had the button somewhere else thx
sick sentinel
Heya. I'm new to prot warrior. How are my stat weights. for high M+
mortal carbon
what is high for your : o
undone sun
also do i see a ravager button on 4
π€
realistically secondary stats won't make or break @sick sentinel
maiden ravine
I like Ravager cause I'm stupid
broken kite
tfw 975 bastion relic
maiden ravine
almost 930 ilvl, hoping to be 935 when mage tower is up
broken kite
ez
maiden ravine
Apparently having the wrists makes it very easy
Done it as Guardian and BrM so far.
dusky mica
Wrists were good back when the challenge was relevant, yeah. You don't need them now.
2PT21 probably trivializes the whole thing.
ornate nimbus
@maiden ravine what leggos you running? I had about the same ilvl when i did the tower. Ran with gloves and belt, did not feel like a challenge at that point.
tepid carbon
Hi guys i probably have a noob question - If i have the 21 2 set bonus, what talents would be preferable?
Atm i actually have the 21 4 set bonus, but i have heard i should largely factor ilvl > 4 set bonus
undone sun
Booming voice instead of vengeance for survival and always AM, otherwise talent picks don't change
tepid carbon
Alright thanks. I read in the guide that i should prefer devastator > indomitable, is that right? π
seems weird to lose the 20% health :
undone sun
correct
tepid carbon
So inspiring presence, renewed fury, warlords challenge, devastator, booming voice (can change), AM ? π
Right now i have a 930 equipped set helm that gives me the 4 set bonus, would it be preferable to replace it with a 945 helm with better stats ? π I will lose the 4 set bonus then ofc
undone sun
yeah those are correct, Warlord's challenge most likely wont be needed anymore considering t20 as a whole was dropped.
defensively stick with 4pc but for dps use highest ilevel after 2pc t21
tepid carbon
kk thanks π When would it be worth to drop the 4pc for defensive purpose?? 20-25 item level? π Thanks for the answers btw
undone sun
eh, hard to give it a static ilevel cap defensively but it's worth keeping for a while
tepid carbon
k thanks! π
Which would u prefer - thunder crash or Dragon skin? I know its a def vs dps, but isnt the defensive more important?
ionic fern
Depends what content you do. Most people overgear a lot of content right now thefefor they don't need the defensive one.
I'm doing 20+ keys constantly and i run with x3 offensive relics and i can't see it changing. π€·
ember arrow
i need a m+ group bad lol
fresh dragon
greeting to all o/
unborn island
5x Prot warrior Special group?
jagged bay
hi!
ember arrow
hi
quiet delta
which of these 3 are the best 2 for m+ ?
ember arrow
pantheon and codex
ember arrow
o/
quiet delta
im so excited with my new codex^^
quiet delta
yeah
sick sentinel
swap out riftworld on ST, u should. :v:
Guys! I made it! 960 Diimas in bonusroll this week :slight_smile:
sick sentinel
Memento for dps! nice one btw
Apoc pretty strong phy. dmg. reduction (edit:rip mobile)
And vs magic dmg. i'd just go eye of shatug for EHP
quiet delta
ok
wintry furnace
How easy/Hard is the mage tower nowdays for Prot warriors?
sick sentinel
eye only vs ST magic dmg. ofc! AOE ur new riftworld will give u tons of heal .. just make sure to pull big and dont kite them to far
@wintry furnace pretty easy to outvalue. but still few sidesteps & interrupts required
wintry furnace
Yeah, It's not like its a cakewalk anymore. I'm sitting at 930 with Grand army ring and either Bunny hop shoulders, or DD
sick sentinel
2p t21? ...helps alot
wintry furnace
Just the Cloak sadly.
sick sentinel
I'd just wait 2nd piece to drop tbh. But up to u what ur searchin for. GL dude!
wintry furnace
Guess Ill see how it goes When the next one comes up.
sick sentinel
Keep in mind u can SR that twisting cast on Kruul as a warri
Totally forgot about on my kill, cuz i was used to play druid
wintry furnace
Yeah, I saw that. Too bad I probably wont have a chance at getting another Legendary before it comes up again
sick sentinel
Yea..more dps would be nice :yum: gloves or belt
wintry furnace
Hopefully Down the road Ill get like, Belt/bracers
sick sentinel
Hey guys! Is there any Arms Compendium-like website/group for protection warrior?
Like, aside this discord.
I really like the insight we have on Arms Compendium and am looking for something similar for prot.
ionic fern
I vaguely remember a website where it maths out the boss mechanics in m+ taking into consideration the keystone lvl + affixes..anyone has any idea what it is?
sick sentinel
I know what is it but its not what im looking for. I cant remember the name tho.
ionic fern
Oh, sorry, that was a question of my own.
π
Isn't the pinned Prot guide thing you are looking for?
sick sentinel
Where is the link to that guide
sick sentinel
Thanks a lot!
hearty chasm
a good basic pawn string for prot ?
timid jay
There is no pawn strings for prot
uneven beacon
chrome falcon
I'm looking at the argus calculator and it says that soulburst damage is reduced by blocking? that's not correct, is it? π€
fleet galleon
I believe the soulburst damage is physical
When you have the Avatar of Aggramar buff up
I think that's what Thyme told me
chrome falcon
uh... ok that's pretty dumb lol
fleet galleon
Yeah, I'd check with him again but I'm fairly certain. It's a weird quirk for sure
merry cave
Have any of you guys that run high keys (like22+ etc) tried using ravager for keys like nelths to help with maintaining threat while kiting big packs like the 4 pelters etc. Not sure if it actually does damage to keep threat lol
fleet galleon
No one uses ravager for anything
chrome falcon
Even if ravager did damage you'd just die to literally everything and do 0 dps without AM
plus like... they'll just run out of the ravager lol
i'm going to completely lose faith in blizz (for the 50th time) if we still have ravager in BFA it's literally a wasted talent slot
fleet galleon
Use Warlord's Challenge and taunt spam if you're losing aggro
chrome falcon
well the idea is that you drop ravager and just run away from the pelters so they stop throwing rocks
so you're out of taunt range
fleet galleon
I thought you just had to keep them moving?
chrome falcon
but tbh just running in, doing a quick battle cry rotation during some kind of aoe stun then just running the fuck away will work fine
you have to be like 40 yards away from pelters for them to follow you
well out of taunt range
fleet galleon
You can have your group put a stun and then taunt each, heroic throw each and keep running as the stun wears off
Idk, I haven't done it, just throwing out ideas
chrome falcon
yeah you aren't going to hold threat with a heroic throw for 18k damage
fleet galleon
Heroic throw generates significant threat though
Like more than 18k or whatever damage would usually net you
light fulcrum
Run into them. Bv, bc and aoe stun
chrome falcon
^
throw some crit thunderclaps/revenges and then just heroic leap/skystep potion the fuck out
merry cave
Yeah still so much damage in the short window for war to get theat, my way lower ilvl dk hits grip throws down and and a blood boil and never loses threat lol just trying to be as fast as I can to avoid the stupid instant kills that can happen
long bronze
If you lose threat just charge back in and have the dps do their stun rotation so you can TC a couple times then HL out
I haven't lost threat on a pack with only doing 10 sec of dps during the stuns before peacing out
And there's always the option of rogue or hunter for MD
sick sentinel
aye i know tank parses are p much worthlress but ive now ascended to the top spot for prot wars on my realm
π
long bronze
π
broken panther
Mind if I creep on ur logs krook? What's ur warrs name/server?
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/jeffray @broken panther
broken panther
Damn good man. Super jelly. I'm stuck in HC, and can't try MM yet. At least I get to go full creeper on wow logs
timber nest
Is the chaos pulse damage on high command completely random? or is there a way to get hit by them more often
unborn island
I have a 22 NL key this week, wondering how kiting will work with orbs :)
restive scroll
Did a hov 21, that's pretty much the same
Dps needs to focus them aswell, and outrange the ones on mobs that are cc
long bronze
Loose its fine. Orbs spawn near mobs so as long as you dps kill them it's actually easier because the mobs tend to clump when kiting VS spreading out due to jump back
eternal python
Aggramar: can you block the melees from the boss when the atoher tank is tanking him=?
or is it just waste to use sheild block when the atoher tank is tanking?
pure abyss
No you cant block the 2ndary hit. For our kill I took every stack, and had our OT taunt as technique came out.
eternal python
In mythic?
pure abyss
yes
timid jay
You can block it
shut summit
You most definitely can block it
timid jay
The taechelach reach is blockable/parryable and dodagble
eternal python
Im usully dps but gonna tank today just wanted to be sur
ember arrow
@pure abyss u can block his secondary strikes
pure abyss
Ty - not sure where I picked that info up
pure abyss
Argus night 1 seemed to go ok. My DK partner and I both took 4 stacks a few times just to put our CD rotations into practice. Got juked once or twice with the wonky Scythe timings P1. Felt like I was starting to pickup on the different patterns by the end of the night.
Those buffs though... I Feel like some Blizz dev somewhere made those knowing they would cause so much problems. Raid getting coned / putting cone in shitty spots trying to get buffed
flat cosmos
Hey guys, would this be a suitable place to ask a couple questions about the mage tower challenge as a prot warr?
pure abyss
certainly sir
flat cosmos
I must say I'm sad to say I'm still having trouble with it at a 929 ilvl
pure abyss
link your armory
vale gorge
The tank and healer challenges are a lot harder than the various DPS ones since you can't blow them away with gear (somewhat)
Which part are you struggling with?
flat cosmos
I've gotten close quite a few times, long story short this warrior has been 110 for a week so my gear and stat balance is pretty poor, also coming off the back of a 6 month break
I'm finding that mind rend is always doing a pretty hefty chunk of damage regardless of what defensives I put in place to mitigate it
timid jay
Mage tower is a lot about abusing victory rush on the eyes and the other adds
flat cosmos
I can see that the more I do it, has anyone got a suggestion of talents? I've been alternating between storm bolt and shockwave
vale gorge
Storm bolt and a macro to make it always hit your focus target was a lifesaver for me
Once you finally get out of p1, you'll probably 1-shot p2
Especially at 929
flat cosmos
beyond changing to stormbolt are there any other changes to talents that would be suggested? Think I'm running quite a general tank cookie cutter atm
pure abyss
Id swap inspire for impending - I used Avatar for my kill but that was early NH. I suppose without the 21 2p its decent vs renewed. Warlord's seems worthless there, pickup bounding or crackling (Id go bounding). Deva over Indom always. Booming voice over Veng always, especially if you're pairing it with Ava for opening / 2nd phase burst.
Use whatever DPS trinkets / gearing you can get your hands on. Its a DPS check, not a survival check for the most part.
2nd pot + drums when Kruul comes out (assuming CDs are up)
If you can pickup the 2p t21, your DPS will skyrocket.
flat cosmos
Sweet I'll give that a go
Don't suppose you've got a focus stormbolt macro I could copy? Or is it way more simple than I think it is
Nevermind Ive got it
restive scroll
I was thinking of using legendary dps trinket for big kiting packs, seems to provide good damage, and thus threat( with legendary bracer, in case some creep didn't get the slow, and to avoid a surprise while getting threat) Any thoughts on that ? :)
flat cosmos
Whats the max stacks youd take in the mage tower challenge?
sick sentinel
what for stats should i focus on as prot warrior and legendaries?
ember arrow
4-5
restive scroll
On dummy it hit 1.3M, 1.5M with BV, that's always a nice addition
@sick sentinel check the pinned message, the guide will help you in that regard
fresh dragon
@timid jay hi mate. do u have the EXCEL file with the Scyte damaage value?
restive scroll
flat cosmos
Recommended consumables for mage tower? I've got drums, is there a best food and pot?
strong hill
Bear tartare and pro longed power
timid jay
(22.3) * Attack power * (1 + Versatility) * dragon skin
For IP
Multiply by .9 if you want it in raw absorb
restive scroll
No idea.
Well, my best guess would be surviving, depending on the data at the top of the spreadshit
would seem logical
timid jay
Yes
sick sentinel
i got a bugged and can not put points on my artifact any suggestion to fix it?
fleet galleon
Is there a simple formula for AP? I don't remember if it shows what your actual AP is on the character screen
flat cosmos
@pure abyss @vale gorge Did it π
timid jay
AP as in attackpower?
pure abyss
nice grats!
strong hill
Grats!
fleet galleon
Yeah @timid jay
timid jay
Easiest way is to install dejaCharacterStats
fleet galleon
No easy formula for it?
timid jay
Otherwise you can get a rough estimate by multiplying str with the mastery modifier
Problem is that the mastery modifier only shows whole integer values, so you'll be slightly off
fleet galleon
Is AP = strength*(1+mastery)
Roughly, that's the formula then going by the picture you posted
timid jay
yeah
fleet galleon
Gotcha, thanks
timid jay
Easiest as I said is getting dejaCharacterStats, since it can display the correct AP directly
Probably a LUA command to get your AP as well
fleet galleon
Not looking for exact numbers, was just curious about the formula π
minor fox
I have a question about defensive trinkets (I can't really tell much from the table in the guide) I have I think every single def trinket from antorus besides diima's glacial aegis, and I'd like to know which would be okay for me (The one from kingaroth titanforged to 965 so would be the trinket that would boost my ilvl a bit more)
round hornet
what trinkets are best is dependent on encounter
minor fox
Well, a bit of advice on each fight would be great
Also, take into consideration the other tank in the raid team doesn't have the dog trinket
round hornet
theres good info in damage profiles for the raid here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K6lD6DHhbShyFcfqxTzO1Gh3ycy1e0VjDwtWxYOYRWQ/preview
timid jay
It depends a bit on the tactics you run at least
minor fox
I'll give it some thought based on that guide and I suppose I'll see how it goes
round vortex
@minor fox Ill happily put up which trinkets i use but in about an hour because i gotta go to a meeting LOL
prisma crane
apoc for melee heavy bosses, dont really need titanguard for anything, eye is a decent all arounder, you can/should use pantheon trinket always, particularly if leveled to max, though if you're dying there are better pure surv options
codex is only useful in M+
Diima's is a nice all around trinket once you get one
DmD if it's a melee heavy boss that hits you real hard
tawdry field
Can anyone tell me what I should get my Haste to, or do i just stack haste always I've just now picked my warrior back up after not playing it for about 3 years
round hornet
haste is sick but str/armor/stam is usually worth more
timid jay
Basically you prioritize ilvl over everything
It can be worth dropping 5 ilvl or so per piece if you can get less crit
Haste is our best stat but pure amount of stats and ilvl weighs it up
tawdry field
ok thank you i just had some random prot warrior telling me to get to 30% haste then stack mastery
tawdry field
tyvm
glacial sage
you need atleast 140% nowadays
warm plinth
π€
timid jay
117% haste would be the final defensive breakpoint
Provided you tank something the entire time
glacial sage
Would you even have a GCD at that point?
timid jay
GCD is capped at 0.75 s
fleet galleon
GCD has a floor
timid jay
Happens at 100% haste for us
glacial sage
anyway to find out what yours is at your percent?
fleet galleon
I thought the GCD floor is 1 sec at 50% haste
timid jay
so at 20% haste it would be 1.5/(1+0.2)
glacial sage
got it
timid jay
Thats how all haste calculations work in wow
Basically 100% haste would halve your casttime and GCD
glacial sage
.96 seconds
warm plinth
You're a haste calculation in WoW
timid jay
(You can also use DejaCharacterStats and get your GCD in the character pane)
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
glacial sage
I just did 1.5 / (1+.56)
timid jay
Its not hard math by any means, but I will still recommend a addon like DejaCharacterStats at any chance I get
warm plinth
Who's big meany head
warm plinth
It took me like 3 years to figure that one out. Don't be jealous because I can do it now
glacial sage
you big meany head
warm plinth
π
glacial sage
you laugh like meany head
prisma crane
how long do the modules grow for until they explode in P3 Argus?
speaking specifically about the 6th one of course
looks like it's close to 30 sec
sick sentinel
My haste dropped from 26% to 17% but overall ilvl jumped from 944 to 947 or should I use lower gear with haste?
round vortex
Frosty - i'd actually take the haste in this case - only because at 25% haste u get an extra shield slam into your BC
3ilvl isn't a great deal unless those pieces were ur head leg and chest piece being upgraded. In which case its probably 50/50
sick sentinel
its aroun 20secs that orbs
for defensive purposes probably that higher ilvl is better but i wouldnt drop that amount of haste tbh
below %25 haste spec feels really slow and boring
north nexus
Hey was looking for some WA and may have missed them in the pinned messages anyone help?
timid jay
They are in #ui-addons-manager
north nexus
Thank you
sick sentinel
@round vortex thanks mate
hollow bolt
Hey boys, Doing mythic vari tonight, coming in for a mia tank. Im watching a prot warrior do it and sometimes he dosent have adds spawn. can someone explain this? or is it in the pins or something?
timid jay
3rd tank?
clear sapphire
Are you tanking or doing the hand holding?
undone sun
never seen it not spawn adds Β―_(γ)_/Β―
winged marsh
definitely never had that happen to me
hollow bolt
im holding hands
winged marsh
I do that for my guild, never one had a moment where the add didnt spawn
undone sun
same
winged marsh
plauges jump radius is larger than the trigger for alone in the dark
you need to trigger the add to drop the debuff
smoky oak
guys spam shield slam in BC!
hollow bolt
k, i saw him use spell reflect, do i need spell reflect pants? or will i be ok without em (looking at logs now)
tough nimbus
I donβt know how thatβs possible. When your 8 yards away you prod alone in the darkness (add) and need to be 10 yards away to not spread necrotic. A prot pally could DS it and not drop an add but weβre not that lucky.
Budget, I went through that same process. I found (during progression) that boots for the speed increase were the most helpful. I ditched the pants for them.
hollow bolt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOFkWcwWKGk heres the vid maybe the adds just dying real fast (k ill take boots with me tonight then also)
winged marsh
a good guild will have the add down in 1-2 globals max
undone sun
could also call for a freedom for the frost aura escorts
winged marsh
so entirely possible you just didnt see the add cause it died so fast
undone sun
at what point in the video
tough nimbus
We had our Druid tanks and shammies speed boost us during frost stage. Boots helped me for progression so I could avoid using heroic leap if others were slow getting back to the group.
hollow bolt
kk! ill see how it goes, its my first night progressing it and the second being a tank, good thing warriors can use zerker rage and not be feared
zug zug
tough nimbus
A necrotic WA is helpful and using /range 10 was helpful for me too.
hollow bolt
have those! got the wa suit for the raid
tough nimbus
Good luck!
hollow bolt
thanks! hey if we get it i can get the guild to carry me in tov i want that tmog
long bronze
I'm convinced apoc drive doesn't exist
wild stump
Do I need any speed/movement speed stuff for garothi? don't have boots yet
undone sun
it's not needed
wild stump
alright thanks