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#protection
prisma crane
gotta fix that
fleet galleon
Their racial has some wack interaction with the artifact right?
prisma crane
yea
fleet galleon
You can have an alliance on the same server Levko
fleet galleon
Void elf tho
ember arrow
excuse me while i vomit to the sight of belf #5534634634634
also its alliance
i can have on same server of
BUT
that means on draenor there are about 5 alliance players
fleet galleon
Just enough for a group then haha
ember arrow
i know findign grousop etc is serverwide
but theres somethingf about entering main cities and seeign lots of ppl
that i dont wanna miss
fleet galleon
Fair enough
fleet galleon
I used to be on a super low pop realm before moving. Was depressing for sure when you couldn't find a max level guy just to stand inside a raid, let alone contribute
timid jay
vengeance DH is fun π
timid jay
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
undone sun
i dont see that as a problem
ember arrow
Simon Cowell: that s a "no" from me
well i dont liek the look of them, and that DOES reduce my willingness to play them
round vortex
morning team!
timid jay
Isnt it mostly spiders? π€
timid jay
round vortex
hahaha im a time traveller
round hornet
easiest dps to play and do good dps is probobly aff warlock? @ember arrow
timid jay
Hmm, can you change discord to use a 24h clock? π€
round hornet
they are boring, not super legendary dependant and strong dps
ez 2 get into pugs because of summon
round vortex
Since all the regulars are online i'll share my midnight news. (We are a 1 night per week - 3 hrs raid guild) Started Mythic last night and got the first 2 down within 45 mins. Super stoked lol we 2 shot both
timid jay
Better than our first raid π
undone sun
π
sick sentinel
congrats
round vortex
cheers π
Can't post my videos here hey? I remember i linked a stream once and it got deleted and told to go to self promotion still the same for vids?
undone sun
if it's posting just to post then it's still for self promotion but if it's relevant to the topic it should be fine
round vortex
ahhhh makes sense.
So whoever did that 5 prot warrior M+ we all wanted to see was ok to post cuz on topic etc... but randomly showing up = not good. I'll keep that in mind lol
timid jay
I posted it in self-promotion though π€
timid jay
Tbh, I dont think anyone is really keeping track
As long as it isnt happening on a frequent basis its mostly fine
round vortex
If it was like instructional or something but its just my kills and our discord + game sound lol
I am interested in content creation so I'll save my debut for it haha
sick sentinel
Do you stream @round vortex ?
round vortex
Yeah but late at night so only really applicable to Aussies and NZ's lol
PM'd you some stuff π
warm plinth
Good evening everyone
round vortex
Hey mate
round vortex
Nice one!
sick sentinel
@round vortex Im NZ mate
junior ivy
sick sentinel
Iβll have a look tonight
prisma crane
nice, what key?
warm plinth
Not for a warrior, especially if you have the legendary leggings
junior ivy
what about lst boss
prisma crane
3rd boss is the issue
winged marsh
3rd boss can be trivialized with immunities
round vortex
I did upper 16 in 13 mins lol youβll be fine haha
junior ivy
3rd is which?
warm plinth
Yeah 3rd boss is rough without immunities on tyrannical
junior ivy
worm?
warm plinth
The worm yeah
prisma crane
you say that, but if any immunity is slightly off, you're fucked
junior ivy
hmm
warm plinth
On high tyrannical the worm is hard
winged marsh
medvih is the real cuck of the dungeon imo
junior ivy
iven ever wiped to worm before
prisma crane
he was fucking us on a 23 last night
junior ivy
im alwasys scared of las6t boss
warm plinth
Last boss is easy if people are competent
prisma crane
medivh with a warr is pretty simple though
junior ivy
last boss requires situational awareness, being calm, quick thinking
i dont hyave that stuff
i always die to it
warm plinth
Then I would avoid upper kara
winged marsh
guessing you can spell reflect piercing?
warm plinth
Yep
winged marsh
thats pretty good
round vortex
I use skystep potion on last boss phase 3. Pick everything up - drums and burn lol
prisma crane
yes and it applies a stacking debuff on him
winged marsh
theres a lego that gives you 2 charges isnt there? you wear it for that fight?
junior ivy
my new key is upper kara 19
warm plinth
He gets the debuff too, so if you have an arcane mage/boomkin/havoc DH, they get massive DPS increase
prisma crane
subsequent reflects make him take more dmg
winged marsh
thats awesome lol
warm plinth
The leggings give you an extra reflect charge
winged marsh
thats pretty sweet
prisma crane
it also modifies HDH, Boomkin and arcane mage dmg
winged marsh
I always run with a blood so π€·πΌ
warm plinth
DK can AMS the debuff if it fully absorbs the last tick...it's just scary because he can PM a DPS if you're not careful
prisma crane
checking one of Sense's logs from a while back, reflecting the missiles did about 21% of his HP back to him
ignoring the bonus dmg ur party can get with the right classes
warm plinth
He never does missiles back to back does he? I can't remember tbh
winged marsh
thats definitely happened to me before
junior ivy
right now i can run a maw 17 or upper kara 19
winged marsh
he can
prisma crane
he can, but it's rare
warm plinth
So like if you're a DK or a paladin
winged marsh
believe he can do any of his non special abilities back to back
never seen 3 in a row though
warm plinth
If you're immune to magic at the start of the cast ( AMS and spellwarding count), he will target someone else
warm plinth
So if you have leftover AMS and you don't take magic damage before the start of the next missiles cast, he will target a DPS instead
It's happened to me both as the tank on my DK and with a pally tank on my windwalker. It sucks D:
junior ivy
ughhh next week is gonna suck. teeming and fort?
and explosive?
ugh@
not gonna be able to push high keys til 3 weeks from now
winged marsh
ye next week sucks
warm plinth
Yeah, teeming is up there with my least favorite affix
winged marsh
explosive is such an annoying affix
winged marsh
can be kinda nice as a fury warrior with war machine
prisma crane
let aoe abilities hit one as long as you're actually targetting it
prisma crane
because prot has SS
and aa
that's it
and in high keys those fuckers have a lot of health
warm plinth
Yeah I agree Krotos. Like if I target one and hit Revenge, it should still work to kill the orb.
prisma crane
yea, fine dont let us aoe them, it'd be pointless
but let that shit at least hit
tclap too
warm plinth
In our dreams π
junior ivy
gr my score hasnt upodated yet
prisma crane
inb4 cat becomes io score elitist
junior ivy
i basically already am. im proud of my 2262
prisma crane
lol, shunning those under 2k already im sure
warm plinth
RIP
prisma crane
be like, bitch if i can get 2k so should you
junior ivy
im #1 prot warrior on my realm, im allowed to be picky π
junior ivy
trhats crazy cause youre the best warrior ive ever seen haha
you have the highest m+ score of anyone on my friends list too
prisma crane
π well you haven't seen some of the others here yet is all, and most play horde....
warm plinth
I have a sick M+ score
prisma crane
is it gangrenous ?
junior ivy
i only have 3 dungeons now that arent in the time. 19 cos. 17 arcway and 13 seat
if i can do those 3 and beat timer, ill have stars by every one
prisma crane
NICE
caps*
though, sometimes it's just that key was way higher so even not on time it's just worth more
winged marsh
what score are you at now krotos?
prisma crane
3867
warm plinth
Yeah, it's pretty rough
prisma crane
still a ways to go
winged marsh
any plans for mdi?
winged marsh
ouch
prisma crane
yea i know i wouldnt ever get anywhere
but it'd be fun to fuck around on the server for it
winged marsh
yea, we definitely wouldnt make it far. Groups only 4k, and compared to some of the groups going its like
phew boi
prisma crane
yea... Fragnance/Gingi's team up over 6.5k
winged marsh
yea absolutely bonkers
warm plinth
Watching some of the higher M+ teams do "low" keys is actually hilarious
They make it look like it's the easiest thing in the world
prisma crane
yea and those are like 24s
winged marsh
that 28 lower they did
warm plinth
Yep
winged marsh
looked like a joke
prisma crane
if they could jsut spam the key like you could when they would deplete i bet they could, but not as it stands now
winged marsh
and even then that fight is just bullshit
hymdals horn might do too much damage at that level too actually
prisma crane
stam trinkets and flasks and CDs
junior ivy
score stil lnot updated i am getting impatient
warm plinth
Yeah Hymdall isn't really anything. If you can survive all the storms, you're fine. Avoidance would make a massive difference
prisma crane
i mean, it'd be zero joke, but i think he's the least of your hurdles
junior ivy
i am bad at hymdall, i have drake blindness
i never know where to go
i just mark someone i trust and follow them
winged marsh
our healer just calls it out and we go lol
solid drum
Is Bastion of the Aspects Additive or Multiplikative? How does the math exactly work out?
junior ivy
warm plinth
It's additive @solid drum 7/7 Bastion is 44% normal block value and 88% critical block value.
solid drum
ah ok thanks. Easy then
prisma crane
it'd still be good if multiplicative, but just not nearly as OP
solid drum
Its so strong, I am fortunate to have 7 / 7
prisma crane
π
solid drum
But Armor comes before right? So, first armor reduction, then Block then CDs?
warm plinth
For Hymdall @junior ivy the lightning can only happen in each section a single time per horn. Most of the time it's easy. The only time it gets semi-complicated is if the lightning happens in the back the first time. If you pull him to just inside the middle section, you just check if there are drakes in your section (the middle) when the horn goes off, and if there are, you move forward. If it's not, see where it goes. If it goes to the front, move him there right as the lightning is dissipating and you're done. If it goes to the back first, you just have to check for drakes again as the lightning is going down and move accordingly. It's really simple.
prisma crane
generally you just want him to start in between two areas
so you can shift once, then back then gtg
warm plinth
Besides Harbaron's scythe, it's the mechanic that people over-complicate the most
Yeah I pull him to where I'm in the middle and he's by the pillar. That way I don't have camera issues when checking for drakes
prisma crane
yea fair, i always leave my back to the pillar since his cleave is nasty
warm plinth
Doesn't matter in PUGs; they'll stand in front of him anyway π’
I'm still trying to figure out how the hell to dodge that cleave though. Everyone else makes it look easy but I just can't seem to figure it out lol
jade wyvern
is ampoule of pure void dogshit?
fleet galleon
You can dodge the Bloodletting Sweep thing Hymdall does?
warm plinth
@jade wyvern Not like 
but it's not good.
jade wyvern
thanks
warm plinth
Yes @fleet galleon You can sidestep it from what I've been told. Levko does it and I have seen Shakib do it a few times (though he doesn't seem to care to do it every time).
fleet galleon
Interesting. I've never tanked it at high enough level to matter but it's something to keep in mind for sure
warm plinth
Yeah I don't know how scary it is at like Krotos or Lev's level of keys, but I've done a 15 tyrannical before and it wasn't remotely intimidating to me at that level
prisma crane
by itself on a 24 (fort) it wasnt that bad but, when comboed with the horn it was sketchy
warm plinth
Horn is magic isn't it? Do we have SR for all of them?
prisma crane
we should?
warm plinth
Yeah I'm like thinking about it...I just didn't even think about it til now since it really doesn't do any significant damage on my level of keys
junior ivy
trial of style is going on?!?!
warm plinth
Not like you're gonna get 2-shot level of significant anyway
prisma crane
one or the other just eat your IP right up
warm plinth
So I guess on those high keys, we'd be a pretty good tank for that fight with SR though, and could always use pants if you don't have it for every breath.
prisma crane
well i learned about a wk or so ago
that if you pull the dragon back to that tiny little ledge thing with the stairs on either side
you can just backpedal off the ledge when he breathes and it wont hit you
warm plinth
That's genius!
prisma crane
yea, now to get a chance to test it again without dying this time around
because that was in the 24 fort key
and he absolutely destroyed me
and im the moron that didnt put arat's on for it
warm plinth
I'm actually not sure which legendary I'm more excited for: bracers or pants
Bracers are nice but I feel like pants are so awesome in a lot of fights
And I mean, I've gone this long without self healing
junior ivy
do people cheat at trial of style?
warm plinth
Idk how you'd cheat, but I haven't done it.
round vortex
is it voted? I dunno i have never done it lol
winged marsh
yea 2 people go up and the rest of the group votes
prisma crane
yep, just get your friends all in the same one and they can all vote for you and you win
junior ivy
WOW I KINDA LIKE THE NEW TRIUAL OF STYLE REWARD
its t1 but gold
i might try wearin it
see how it feels
timid lagoon
How much ilvl is worth to sacrifice for t21 2set?
hollow tundra
Whats the BiS race for prot warriors atm?
undone sun
dependent on your intentions, and as marginal as most racials are it won't make a huge difference
hollow tundra
Okey
Survival versus DPS Thyme
How does highmountain and Tauren play out against eachother?
undone sun
HM is likely better
hollow tundra
And troll is BiS for dps output i guess?
round vortex
If you look cooler you will try harder - which is more of a DPS increase than any racial will give LOL
But yes @hollow tundra you'd be correct
grim root
DAMN RIGHT LOL
merry cave
Just don't go nb, I like being unique
little rain
Thirty. Two. Percent.
undone sun
lot of damage
cinder nova
warm plinth
So my SSD that has been missing for like 6 months that I lost when I moved was just found by my girlfriend...in the trunk of my car
undone sun
π€¦
honest mantle
π
tawny crown
@prisma crane u here?
just read ur thing about dodging the dragon on hymdal
how exactly do u do that?
lean tangle
Should i trade out my 945 Seal of the portalmaster ring (Haste/vers) for 955 Loop of the life-binder ring (Haste/Mastery)
tawny crown
i tried it, awesome
prisma crane
it might actually be super pro
tawny crown
usually i just leap or intercept back to another player
prisma crane
so happy i tried it once lol
prisma crane
dont even have to move much lol
lean tangle
Should i trade out my 945 Seal of the portalmaster ring (Haste/vers) for 955 Loop of the life-binder ring (Haste/Mastery)
If i take the 955 ring i lose 5% verse but gain 11% mastery. So 6% verse 59% mastery
Is Mastery more important than Verse?
undone sun
defensively they're dependent on fight but usually mastery > verse
lean tangle
I'll just keep both in my bag but i'll use the 955 haste/mastery ring.
winged marsh
100 deaths XD
junior ivy
111 now
undone sun
what were most of them to
junior ivy
last boss
sohuldi use apoc drive
and dimas
or pantheon trinket and dimas
casue like
im ready to rage
we are mostly dying when um
thyeres green stuff on thge grouhnd
and purple balls come out
in p2 and p3
winged marsh
green stuff shouldnt show in platform 3 iirc
just add spawns
if you have trouble with the bombardment and shadow orb overlap in p2, just lust it
junior ivy
we gave up
warm plinth
I do a pro maneuver on Upper Kara P2 on my mistweaver. I have the two people with orbs stack up and use Revival so it dispels both of them at the same time. So basically you only have to dodge one set of balls since they're right on top of each other.
Unfortunately I can only do it once per fight π¦
deft sapphire
Itβs sad that revivals useful as a bad cd mass dispel
junior ivy
i am like, lost though
on that last boss
every upper kara ive ever done on tyrannical has gone like that
breeze through first 3 bosses, think wow this is great, we might make timer
then wipe 20 times on last boss and give up
i dont know what is even going wrong
dusky mica
it's tyrannical and your healer is a potato
junior ivy
whenever i die it was cause of
either
having nowhere to stand cause green all over during p2 plus purple orbs hittin me at same time
or having like 12 adds on me + purple balls comin off 3 people at same time
dusky mica
the last ship is hard on tyrannical
because ontop of the damage you see, there is also damage coming in from the skies that you dont
from some felbats
junior ivy
yeah its so hard to stay alive
dusky mica
did you use legs? theyre pretty good on that fight
sick sentinel
@round vortex please share that WA of your with the IP and SB timer π
deft sapphire
You need to kick/reflect the burning blasts every time
And shield wall when you are tanking all the adds/have the orb debuff on you
warm plinth
You're not kidding mgll. It's sad that that's the only use Revival really has π¦ So it sees use on last boss of Upper Kara, some Arcway trash, and first boss of CoS lol
I guess some lower Kara trash too
junior ivy
we were interrupting burning blast
a friend felt so bad for me after that upper kara that he gave me this mount
so, kind of a win?
round vortex
@sick sentinel It's not a weakaura - it's an addon called Needtoknow hehe
warm plinth
I guess. The fire swirls on the ground actually take a few seconds to blow up, so you can just move to where a previous one was right after it blows up and be fine.
sick sentinel
@round vortex I was looking something like that for WA π
round vortex
yeah i don't really like the weak auras i've found thus far
those bars have done it for me for years now lol
junior ivy
I JUST DISCOVERED INKY BLACK POTIONS
warm plinth
I haven't actually used one yet but I've seen some cool screenshots
round vortex
never seen one lol
junior ivy
they are very cool
warm plinth
They're from the Darkmoon Faire. They do shit like this
Basically makes it look like it's night time everywhere you go
Though I don't think they work everywhere
round vortex
oh awesome
round vortex
Im gunna have to get me some of them lol
prisma crane
@junior ivy did you have any range dps in ur grp?
couldve always cheesed the second platform and just lusted on the 3rd
sick sentinel
wahoo I just got the glove loggos...now I can replace that ring π
junior ivy
grats!
neat nova
should i macro bc with shield slam? or it will cause more trouble spamming this button than gain?
warm plinth
I'm firmly against any sort of macro like that. But it's not a great idea because if you hit the macro while SS is on the GCD, it'll still trigger BC and then you'll lose a cast of SS
neat nova
yea but does not BC reset SS cd with t21? im not aware because i dont have pieces yet.
timid jay
It does, doesnt reset GCD though
warm plinth
Yeah but it still won't actually cast SS. It doesn't reset the global cooldown
neat nova
oh now i understand. thanks i'll just run some test when i'll get my hands on t21 then.
timid jay
While the macro would work, you'd need a separate bind for BC for when you want to AOE
neat nova
good point thx
stray moss
So. I have a legitamite legendary question.
Besides belt are there any to aim for after getting bracers/gloves for my first 2?
old zephyr
Quick question, I just got diima's aegis : does the armor help against magical blockable such as hounds maw and aggramar foe breaker ?
stray moss
Foebreaker is physical so it should help.
warm plinth
Yeah it'll help against Foebreaker but not Maw
undone sun
those are the top three used @stray moss
twf has gained value with t21 but it still outshadowed by the three mentioned above, legs have some niche uses particularly in keystones, other than that it's mostly quality of life (except for DD, it's always useless)
stray moss
Is AHR worth it at all for Prot War or is it like for Prot Pal and bin?
undone sun
it's great for st dps if you can reliably pop the shield fully
you can increase it's output by using last stand prior to activating AHR but it's still reliant on taking enough damage
stray moss
Right. Knowing me I'll get it with a reliq trinket
old zephyr
Okay Thanks (explains why SR seemed underwhelming vs foe breaker)
stray moss
Yeah. Foe is 100% physical damage. The magical only comes into effect for Empowered w/ Searing Brand on Mythic
timid jay
That damage is negligible in the long run though
stray moss
Yeah 3.5M isn't it?
undone sun
yeh
timid jay
Actually have no idea, didn't hurt much though
stray moss
says3.5 in journ
undone sun
it's mostly for the melee dps
deft sapphire
@neat nova if ss is on cd when you hit the macro, it wonβt cast ss even tho bc resets the cd
So you need to bc as manually or hit the macro twice, unless ss is already off cd
agile raven
what is the cutoff for using t20 4 piece vs just ilvl
spiral mango
how is the leggo "the walls fell" ?
w
sharp dew
Hey boys, anyone have numbers on difference between Deva/indom for rage per min
I know back when deva came out there were a lot of numbers and testing but not sure if those are still around
timid jay
Its a bit of a loaded question, playing with indom will lower your normal rage generation but since you'll have less IP up you'll get more RFDT
It wont beat devastator in rage generation but it will bump it up purely because you taking a lot more unmitigated damage
undone sun
rfdt isn't affected by absorbs
timid jay
It isnt? π€
timid jay
Huh, TIL
But to answer your question Mighty, without any RFDT and running a DPS oriented sim so take it with a grain of salt. Indom had 12.4 RPS while devastator had 20 RPS
Devastator is a huge RPS and DPS gain, theres no real reason to not pick it
spiral mango
so i have kukasha, soul, and walls ... and 4p t21 ... which 2 would work best then?
timid jay
Kaku+TWF
sharp dew
Cosmo do you remember what haste% that was at? I know deva is amazing but just trying to get hard numbers for a friend, or if you know a way I could get hard numbers from details or skada or anything like that
timid jay
30%
Problem is with just pulling rage numbers directly from only generated by devastator doesnt tell the whole picture
You get a lot more SS resets with devastator and thus fueling into the cooldown reduction from AM
sharp dew
yeah definitely, just trying to let a friend know that it's way better for survival, hps, dps everything compared to indom unless there's a pure 1 shot mechanic that you cannot survive without indom-which is nothing in antorus
timid jay
Not sure if we have any pure math on it, simply looking at WCL and HPS rankings maybe?
sick sentinel
ppl often just dont realize the value of CDR vs static raw HP ..at least from what im talking to daily
I mean..rly REALIZE. they say so, but they dont.:joy:
Indom such a subject of narrow-minded human logic. Not even funny
kind glen
Are the Fire Mines damage from Forgefiends Fabricator nerfed for Prot?
timid jay
Would assume the RPPM is nerfed at the very least
chilly hemlock
probably both damage and RPPM if they nerfed it the same way as seeping scourgewing and khaz'goroth
kind glen
Yeah, that much I think I see but the damage seems the same.
chilly hemlock
Actually only the rppm is nerfed, according to spelldata
chilly hemlock
Damage is the same, or higher than for dps specs since it's affected by artificial damage (that artifact property that increases damage done for each artifact level until 52)
the proc rate should 3.5 * (1 + haste)
kind glen
I mean, I was just curious since I have had a 965 one for awhile, and was wondering if it would be a decent DPS trink to run.
unborn island
Is the updated APL and support for tier live in the raidbots build now? (Also thanks to whichever of the stormforged put in the time!
timid jay
It wasnt a stormforged that fixed simc for us, it was Melekus π
I belive the latest nightly build has everything but the latest fixes to RFDT
As for APL, nothing "official" is released yet. A few for us are messing around with making our own
Probably going to have to wait for the real release
warm plinth
Melekus = new prot warrior messiah. Sorry Cosmo.
timid jay
Was I ever the messiah though? π€
warm plinth
That's exactly something a former messiah would say
timid jay
Does that mean I'm free from answering questions in here?
warm plinth
I mean, I think you were already
timid jay
Dobby is free
warm plinth
astral crystal
anyone having problems logging in already?
astral crystal
π
uncut juniper
Reddit's Tanking Tuesday has really lost its attraction long time ago... The Questions / Topics are always the same..
astral crystal
class discord > everything else, i never even bothered with reddit tbh
uncut juniper
thats true
vital fulcrum
how much haste do i need to keep sb uptime 100%
frigid talon
How do you guys handle Coven M? We got to them yesterday and im tanking instead of our bdk to get an extra ranged since he has a geared lock. Havent really looked into it much yet
restive scroll
@vital fulcrum around 117% i think, from something i read earlier (so no sure about the value)
Point is, it's impossible to get
restive scroll
Short version, at least 25%, and that's still the best stat after that anyway
sick sentinel
haste is still best secondary stat but go for ilvl no matter
except rings and neck
vital fulcrum
our of curiosity how much haste do u have?
restive scroll
Depending on my legendaries (switching a lot for mm+) between 25 and 35
I've seen some warrior with 40 or 50% here
vital fulcrum
for m+ u go with 35 haste?
restive scroll
I go with a base gear, and i switch to adapt for my needs
Big pack? legendary belt + wrist + 4p
Mono without much dying danger? legendary gloves & remove one of my other parts
Medivh? Legendary legs <3
sick sentinel
i have %30/%40 depending on gear set
restive scroll
Fine enough :)
vital fulcrum
how often should i use ignore pain xD
restive scroll
A lot? generaly around 60 rage
fleet galleon
IP has a cap so no point spamming it after that. You can use revenge especially if it's free
restive scroll
Unless you use renewed fury (of course)
fleet galleon
Even with renewed fury
No point overwriting the buff. Revenge does decent damage and reduces the cooldown of your big CD's with Anger Management
restive scroll
Still, it's better to IP to trigger anger management to let it go to waste. Revenge is still on gcd
fleet galleon
Doing damage isn't a waste
restive scroll
No, loosing rage is
timid jay
Not overcapping rage is important if you play AM
restive scroll
What i'm trying to say, is that you usually won't be able to empty your rage with revenges, especially not while keeping your IP absorb at the maximum
fleet galleon
No one was arguing that. You made it seem like one should never hit revenge
Rather, that's the impression I got. Apologies if I misunderstood
restive scroll
My bad then, I use it a lot. We have too much rage theses days :)
I may have sounded like that because i'm under the impression that everyone has a bad vibe about war tank because loads of them don't know how to survive
So i'd rather be a bit more carefull while telling someone to dps, and try to remind them that they are tanks first
fleet galleon
Yeah, community perception isn't that good. WTB mass grip
restive scroll
Yeup. But the more I run in high keys, the less i understand
(beside for the leech, i admit 20 % is reallygood)
vital fulcrum
u see hogo im one of the warrior tanks who make people think all warrior tanks are terrible
i played almost every tank
i cant cant figure out what exactly to do with warrior protection
i still cant*
how do u have so much rage, i feel like im always rage starved @restive scroll
restive scroll
2P T21 & booming voice & anger management
strong hill
^ this
vital fulcrum
i have the t21 2p and use booming voice and am
i always have my demo shout and battle cry on cooldown
fleet galleon
Are you using Devastator?
vital fulcrum
yes
fleet galleon
You're still rage starved?
vital fulcrum
yaa feels weird idk how
i feel like i always have enough rage for sb and
a small ignore polain
pain*
fleet galleon
Check the guide in the pins for rotation an make sure you're following it correctly?
restive scroll
During battle cry, do you spam SS?
strong hill
May be a dumb a question but how often are you using tc?
vital fulcrum
shield slam and thunder clap are always on cooldown
fleet galleon
Do you have logs we can look at maybe?
vital fulcrum
tbh i made the prot warr just for m+
fleet galleon
Or else a good way to practice is to hit the tank dummy in Skyhold for a bit
strong hill
Only reason I ask is I had some ask me once about rage and they had no idea you used tc even in single target to generate rage
@vital fulcrum sorry if I missed it but what legendary are you running for m +
vital fulcrum
dont much alot i use leg and the antorus ring
cant remember what its called
i dont have a lot of leggos*
strong hill
Belt and gloves will help you a lot
gloomy light
hey guys
is it worth losing 10 ilvl on pants and 30 ilvl on cloak to gain 2pc+socket?
@timid jay
vital fulcrum
i used to main blood dk but always felt meeh
it was too boring me
im enjoying prot warr so much i try to learn it but idk what 2 do xD
timid jay
Id say so
sick sentinel
legys help alot with rage Rorshac .. ur combo is kinda terrible for a default setupπ
also could recommend to use Shieldwall more frequently if ur holding it back for "oh shit"-moments atm
Helped my rageflow out alot early on.
runic gust
Soul of the Battlelord is fun with Prot
timid jay
I mean, booming voice is the default talent nowadays
Vengeance isnt that worth it anymore with t21 2p
timber nest
fleet galleon
I haven't looked at wrists in prot spec in over a year now. But those are pretty decent ones for sure
compact geyser
That a pretty direct upgrade. From 2nd and 4th best stats to 1st and 3rd with socket. Ez
fleet galleon
Leggo bracers tho
fleet galleon
You could of course, I personally like to keep my bracers on. Then again, my backup bracers aren't as good as those so
wintry furnace
So, I know that haste is top tier for stats, but is there a point where I shouldn't worry about pure focusing it? At the moment Im at almost 40%
strong hill
You donβt need to worry about it π
wintry furnace
Also, While it's not a huge deal, If you use the Lightforged Draenei racial, then Battle cry after, It will crit. Kind of fun.
strong hill
Lightforged Draenei ?!? Tauren warrior = best warrior.
sick sentinel
Is the arcano crystal any good for prot warriors?
wintry furnace
Yeah you heard me. LFD! And Isn't arcano great for just about anything, because it's a pile of stats as long as its decent Ilevel?
stark sage
its decent at a decent ilvl
sick sentinel
i've got a 910 one
stark sage
not insane defensively okay offensively
sick sentinel
not sure how high it scores
stark sage
what are you trying to do, and what alternatives do you have
sick sentinel
I've got not much alternative
fleet galleon
Then it's good!
wintry furnace
Right now I've got a haste stat stick, and a Nerubian husk. But this character is so new she doesn't even have a single Leggo
queen sapphire
This is probably a really dumb question: Bracers leach doesnt count as using a healing spell to proc a nether trait... right?
dark junco
I though our discord was bad, then I went and asked questions on rogue discord... wow.
Yeah
junior ivy
how could you think ours was bad?
compact geyser
Anyone else have their pocket pally healer in raid upset because their beacons are mostly over healing? We run prot war and BDK to. Rub the salt in as well.
junior ivy
ive been on a few class discords and none are close to as good as skyhold
junior ivy
yeh i tried rogue one recently ..... was not fun
for one thing, took forever to evden get someone to acknowledge me, it wasnt nearly as active. and then people were kinda mean
kept telling me to just google stuff
unborn island
@queen sapphire I don't think so, but then one of the people more knowledgeable than me might be able to say for sure. I've honestly never picked any of the healing traits.
strong hill
@compact geyser I usually trash talk our healing officer when Iβm in the top 3 for healing π β sorry guys my back is sore from all that carrying β
dark junco
xD
strong hill
@queen sapphire 99% sure one of the guides shows what counts as a healing spell. I think the only thing that would is victory rush
queen sapphire
Cool, thanks guys.
wintry furnace
So, Am I wrong to thikn that it's bracers/Belt for Leggos? This warrior doesnt have any, so I'd behappy with any of them, but I think those would be the 'best'
junior ivy
will upper kara 18 be hard this week?
strong hill
@wintry furnace bracers seem to be the go to for most encounters with Belt or gloves being one of the others. If you look at Warcraft logs you will see what most are running. Every now and then you see some random wtf combo like shoulders and chest
winged marsh
teeming explosive fort right?
only annoying part is the bridge before chess room tbh
strong hill
@junior ivy what are the affixes?
winged marsh
ye
junior ivy
even after last nights upper kara 19?
strong hill
Depends. Are you running with good people or a pack of muppets?
strong hill
Lol
winged marsh
^ pretty much all bosses, need some competant folk
junior ivy
i did upper kara last night
on tyrannical
we breezed through every boss
then got to last boss
and racked up 111 deaths
and 2 hours went by
and we gave up
glacial vale
2 hours?!
junior ivy
yeahh
winged marsh
just cheese p2 with a ranged or lust it
junior ivy
every other boss was so easy
winged marsh
then p3 is ezpz
junior ivy
but we couldnt do last boss on tyran
strong hill
You should be fine. Trash packs up to curator will be a pain. The wryms I mean. Other then that if you get past the first boss it should be a breeze.
junior ivy
ok cool
glacial vale
The trash wonβt even be that bad
strong hill
Do the adds on the last boss spawn orbs ?
winged marsh
the chaotic shadows?
strong hill
No the fel guys on the platform for the last boss. Do they spawn the green orbs u have to kill?
junior ivy
oh god i hope not
strong hill
Lol I donβt know either as I usually take the week off when itβs explodey orbs.
west kayak
Shield Slam the orb and proc Victory Rush.
strong hill
Well ya thatβs a given π the question is to the adds on the last boss platform spawn exploding orbs
violet kestrel
In bfa, the new ignore pain mechanic. Isnt it going to rage starve us?
west kayak
@violet kestrel Sounds like a question for the #410902883165405214 channel
formal abyss
π so from what I understand bastion of the aspects basically outranks any other trait when looking at crucible? but just in case I'm wrong, I'm looking at a 955 vrykul + master of shadows + rage of the fallen, vs a 960 dragon skin + secure in the light + bastion of the aspects. Now one of obviously more dps focused and one is more defensive focused so that makes it a bit harder to compare. My instinct is that the 960 + bastion is better despite dps loss and shitty t2 trait (also dragon skin > vrykul)
formal abyss
alright, well I think I want more defense atm so that route sounds good π
weird coming from DH where defensive traits are almost worthless
stark sage
also consider ilvl is strong for dps as well
formal abyss
yea i wasn't sure how much 5ilvl would matter vs losing the big dps trait and t2
stark sage
id probably just go with it since the strength of bastion is too much
kind prairie
I think I might try to solo or 2man normal dogs. me and my rdrood friend
unborn island
It will take forever?
kind prairie
I am thinking 4pc, belt, and wrists?
It might take forever.
I know I can pull at least 1.4M DPS with them stacked, more tanking both cause more rage?
unborn island
Yep, but even on 10m normal they have What? 2bn hp?
That's a 16 minute fight if you're doing 2m dps
brave mauve
Having actually solo tanked normal Felhounds, it wasn't very fun.
unborn island
I know bar has been done with 1/0/9
wintry furnace
Would replacing a relic be more worth than getting an actual tanking trinket?
brave mauve
Depends if relic in question has Bastion, and if it's replacing one that does.
wintry furnace
It doesn't
unborn island
also depends on trinkets you currently have :)
wintry furnace
The one I would replace is just a 910 haste statstick. This is a pretty new Warrior
unborn island
@brave mauve my last kill I was solo tanking them for 40% of the fight and barely noticed.
brave mauve
My cootank DC'd and left me with them from 85-90% onward, and I was in a full DPS set, and they desynced. It got dirty.
brave mauve
Oh yeah, no kidding. I was like 3rd dps in the raid
If I could have gone in with Legs and Wrists instead of Belt and Gloves, and using actual survival trinkets*, it'd have been a lot cleaner.
But when the maws desynced, it just plain sucked.
kind prairie
Not sure pants would help on 100% tank uptime much.
brave mauve
Spell Reflect helps cut the damage from Maws, so it can potentially act like an extra shield block for it. Or at least that's my reasoning.
molten radish
wintry furnace
I got a Will to survive/bastion Relic. Take it that it's worth?
broken kite
Going for damage or surviving
wintry furnace
Surviving.
wintry furnace
Yeah, the relic turned out to be Will to survive -> Infusion of light -> Bastion.
broken kite
π
wintry furnace
She's still a Knewbie So Anything to keep her alive so I can get gear on her.
west kayak
Not worth it @crystal night
crystal night
Ty
undone sun
No it doesn't
copper ridge
Varimathras...what you guys recommend
SR first an then SW for next with ignore pains up
round hornet
I just use the pants legendary so I can have hella SRs
prisma crane
^
you can survive it with only IP up, but it's risky
so any CD helps
and SR obv makes it cake
copper ridge
Kk cool ty
hallow phoenix
970 riftworld vs 960 socket riftworld
Ive gotten a riftworld codex upgrade every week it seems
prisma crane
considering we use it for the procs, probably the 970 one
west kayak
I would love a 970 Codex... Still usin' a 930 in some M+
queen sapphire
Just the strength, I don't think I've ever considered using it. I don't like that Crit.
queen sapphire
Yeah... had that a few times...
junior ivy
when you join a heroic antorus pug, on aggramar, and a healer leaves and says "sorry i tried to stay til the end, but we've bene at this for 6 1/2 hours, i gotta go" ......
queen sapphire
Get out while you can.
hallow phoenix
ouch
hallow phoenix
6 and a half hours later...
junior ivy
lol
celest gate
Heroic pugs are bad for last 3 bosses imo
junior ivy
first pull was with a tank who imemdiately broughtr the big add to the ,ittle add
and wiped us lol
round hornet
just gotta be selective in your pugging
make your own groups, set your own requirements and don't leave autoaccept on π
queen sapphire
I've given up the pug life. These old bones just can't handle that much disappointment.
compact geyser
Makes me REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. You ain't pulling off a battle crying warrior. π€ π€ π€ π€
unborn island
Well, I have now successfully downgraded my 22 seat to a 19 seat
surprisingly, the closest I came to getting it in time, was the 22
prisma crane
i found out last night that soloing the 2nd boss actually increases our dps
which i guess makes sense
everything "leaps" but to you
you can just step backwards and you'll always be behind the cat since it leaps behind players
and no need to charge for the interrupt either
junior ivy
hey
what food should i eat
besides azshari salad?
what is other good foods for prot?
winged marsh
sugar crusted fish feast is prob pretty good
queen sapphire
Other than salad I guess you could do mastery food
junior ivy
do you kno what its called?
queen sapphire
Or do a feast and eat in dps spec for str
junior ivy
trheres no salds or sugar fish on my AH π¦
queen sapphire
nope
junior ivy
and feasts are too expensive
winged marsh
well nows the time to farm sugar crusted π
junior ivy
whats it give?
queen sapphire
Yeah I guess go learn cooking
winged marsh
1% vers
winged marsh
think you just need darkmoon daggermaw right?
just buy em, get the recipe and cook it
queen sapphire
Well man I mean, it's either farm mats or wait for someone else to cook it. Really no point to eating any other food
You could use bear tartar for the memes
junior ivy
i traded 36 bear tartare for a mount once
im buyin faronaar fizzx
prob not best food option
but my realm sucks
and theres abrely any options
queen sapphire
you need a new realm friend.
prisma crane
cat, just move to a new realm lol
round hornet
its nice when the servers go to shit on expac releases π
prisma crane
it used to be amazing for mount farming as well, back before xrealm hit old zones
sick sentinel
just killed imonar mythic and kingaroth after its so funny that kingaroth tanking is like 5 times easier then imonar
surviving can be a problem if you take to many stacks at imonar or if boss gets high stacks i was taking like 6m melees to face but kingaroth is just like no damage
prisma crane
when he gets empowered after 2 of the same adds his melees can still hurt quite a bit, but yea, relative imonar it's a lot easier on tanks
round hornet
after imonar next boss man that hurts is Argus π
analog zinc
Quick question, how good is Warrior at dealing with long periods of sustained damage, such as on Felhounds?
sick sentinel
really good you will have no problem
only problem that might be annoying is bleeding physical damage
warm plinth
I mean, less good than some others, but we can manage it alright. Just use spell reflect and CDs if you get high stacks of the DoT. The Maws are blockable so they're not really an issue for us.
sick sentinel
yeah well blood dk is better for that but damage isnt high i dont think i even used big cds
warm plinth
Yeah, blood DK is better for quite a few of that type of fight because of their consistent self heals. Paladins are probably pretty good too since they mitigate a lot of it and have some decent self heals as well if needed. Not to mention a 20% dr on 1 min CD
Though I guess we kinda have the latter as well with Demo :p We just don't always use it that way
sick sentinel
yeah the only problem is high stacking bleedings or stacking magic damages
warm plinth
Why is pally god awful for dogs? SotR for each Maw = win
analog zinc
yeah but at higher stacks the damage is just way too high & you can't keep Shield up long enough, you're either requiring wayyy too many heals, or you're gonna drop Shield
ember arrow
use talent tat lets u block spells
round hornet
that tanknotes site says paladins have the most mitigation on that fight compare to other tanks :X
(im terrible at prot pally tho, haven't touched mythic with it yet)
analog zinc
it's pretty easy now, but when I was progging heroic & mythic dogs, it was fucking hell, way harder than any other fight
then again I haven't actually finished them on mythic, my guild died before we could :c
round hornet
idk im used to requiring hella healing, I progged it w/ Monk
ember arrow
its actually the best talent by far
celest gate
I thought people were taking the shield block talent
ember arrow
not for a loong time
fleet galleon
Not for a while now
celest gate
Demo shout uptime is actually nuts with it
fleet galleon
Synergy with other talents and tier op
unborn island
boiz
fleet galleon
Is the tl;dr of it
fleet galleon
Avoidance and socket
celest gate
Holy shit
analog zinc
beautiful, grats
fleet galleon
Buy a lottery ticket
unborn island
so,so many NL runs
fleet galleon
Nah, soul isn't that good any more cos we already have so much rage
celest gate
But 60% Haste feels good
stark sage
that and during BC you dont have time to press revenge
celest gate
D:
unborn island
Other ring isn't quite so nice π¦
analog zinc
60 haste is mad, how much is that in stats? Like 20k?
fleet galleon
Least it's not crit @unborn island
analog zinc
I remember seeing one Prot Warrior on facebook going on about how he stacks crit for the parry lol
prisma crane
@celest gate basically, HR is pretty good, but AM beat it back in ToS
and with 2p T21, AM just got even better, so HR can't touch it
@celest gate you said 60% haste, are you talking about sephuz? or are you taking into the fray talent? neither are very good for us
prisma crane
i've hit 55% as my current max
sick sentinel
its like 23k haste or something
prisma crane
jsut haste stacking w/ decent tier on
sick sentinel
well yeah i dont think i would gear myself with that high haste
every gear im using i can go like %45 haste but im still gearing versa and mastery
sick sentinel
devastator
undone sun
always devastator
sick sentinel
^
undone sun
sick sentinel
you will generaly never get oneshot with proper playing
undone sun
through mitigation
sick sentinel
and HP that you will get from indomitable is actualy wont save you from getting oneshotted
i mean %25 hp is nothing compared to rage you get
celest gate
Stupid high keys potentially?
undone sun
no
unborn island
Solo'd +16 hyrja from 32% because everyone was dead. ,know it's not that impressive, but think the group had seen nothing like it :flex:
sick sentinel
tbh VDH prot warriors and blood dks are really strong when you are soloing
self-healing is insane
languid rose
isn't it also fortified week?
sick sentinel
still you can solo lots of bosses
languid rose
ya but they're easier this week
analog zinc
I solo'd normal Aggramar from 40% on my prot pally today π
glacial sage
when you get a 980 relic but it doesn't have Bastion π’
only part that hurts on aggramar when soloing on normal is the add phase, the two big boys hurt
junior ivy
id use that relic.
warm plinth
I'd consider using it if it had TC and Revenge damage since I don't raid but I like my bastion
unborn island
Was still tyrannical for me :)
dark junco
@sick sentinel yeah maybe BDKs solo is strong, but their dps is trash tier.
Like my blood does about 30-40% of what my warrior does.
Tho our t21 as prot war is bonkers for dps.
kind prairie
impenetrable neurbian husk any good? Just got a 960
undone sun
no
kind prairie
bummer. looks decent at a glance
kind prairie
cool. thanks!
sick sentinel
Indomitable vs Devastator what do you think?
sick sentinel
Alrighty
prisma crane
always, it's our rule number 1
did they update simC for prot?
did someone*
it's not way off anymore lol
i did it for shits
languid rose
is there random bonus rage in the sim for when the other tank taunts late and you take extra damage?
undone sun
@KrotosTheTank#0075 mostly yes
Still some bugs that's being worked out but tier and legendaries are inplemented
undone sun
Should be
prisma crane
nice
undone sun
Still missing an apl though
sick sentinel
Anyone know when the mage tower will be up? Wanna get that Prot skins....if I can
warm plinth
2-3 days. It just went down early yesterday I believe
undone sun
wowhead should have a progress tracker
warm plinth
Yeah, it's at 15% atm
sick sentinel
Cheers
midnight flare
How good is a 960 Chrono Shard for dps?
undone sun
pretty good
midnight flare
Ok thanks thatβs all I needed to know. Iβll test it out then to see the results
warm plinth
So I'm a little curious about the new Simc stuff. How accurate would that be for, say, comparing two trinkets for DPS without an updated APL
For example, Chrono Shard vs Memento or some other proc trinket
midnight flare
I just run it and take the numbers with a pinch of salt
warm plinth
Yeah but if the APL would affect the results of a proc trinket, it's really worthless to sim them against each other. Since they proc on attacks, I would assume if the current default APL doesn't use as many offensive abilities as we typically do now, it would skew the results. But maybe not, since they are PPM trinkets and I don't know if APM actually affects that or not. Just thinking out loud here.
undone sun
i'd imagine as just a comparison between the two it wouldn't be too far off, obviously the overall results will be significantly off Β―_(γ)_/Β―
warm plinth
Yeah, I figured at the least I could use it for trinket comparison until we have a viable updated APL. I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't be trusting it when I shouldn't.
compact geyser
anyone else feel like imonar mythic hit a bit harder this week? i dont think ive changed anything -_- ooo i did get my third bastion relic before but that should have made it easier REEE
graceful dagger
Hey friends, is t21 4 pc. worth a loss of 7 ilvls?
The pieces are all raid finder
round vortex
Hey mate - strongly depends on the pieces and the leggo combo. I like the 4 pce in M+ and in raids when you need every shred of survivability
7 ilvls isnt the best measure because if u can keep high ilvl chest and head for example i'd do it because those pieces have high stat budget. But if it drops on those pieces I'd maybe not risk it.
Maybe make 2 sets and just play a bit to feel craft it lol
But defensively and without knowing too much more then yes I'd say it's worth the loss.
graceful dagger
Both headpieces I have (one setpiece one not) are 930. I lose 20 ilvls on the chest because the setpiece is 915 and i have the crafted empyrium one being 935.
thanks for your input btw
sick sentinel
On worldbreaker what does one use to out run those bombs? I always get hit by the last one for some reason
round vortex
You just need to keep moving. They are the same speed as the base run speed so if you stop ur boned. If u have trouble you can run the legendary boots on that boss as you don't really need any otehr legendaries on that fight and no other mechanics will hurt u lol
round vortex
The first bomb fires as the debuff goes away. So as long as you're moving at that point you're good
twin hazel
For garothi Leap out and run toward boss
it takes longer for the things to hit you that way
giving you more time
deft sapphire
@warm plinth depends what kind of trinkets. Apl can have a large effect on things like bc/renewed fury uptime, obviously prot rotation isnβt the most complicated but the default isnβt optimised yet
warm plinth
Yeah, that's true. So if it's a stat thing like Chrono Shard, I should be okay, but like Diima's it probably wouldn't be very accurate due to not taking BC or Renewed Fury into account; do I have that right?
deft sapphire
Yeah, also the better the apl gets and the higher your rage generation is the worse crit gets since bc uptime is higher
warm plinth
I mean, I can't actually have less crit than I do right now, so that's no big deal π
deft sapphire
On use trinkets by default are just used on cd with no attempt to line up with stuff, so you need a special line for something like AHR and last stand
warm plinth
Oh, I was not aware of that. If I had more free time I'd assist with the APL shit but that's all greek to me
fleet pivot
Quick question...So for mythic plus 20+ key tanking (I think) I've seen some streams using Riftworld Codex sometimes. Is it just useful on trash on high keys? Or was I crazy thinking I saw it.
warm plinth
It's good for aoe but I don't know that it's one of prot's best
deft sapphire
Itβs a bit worse on prot than other tanks because it has crit on it, itβs pretty much a self sustain trinket for m+ and ok aoe damage
It procs a lot more in m+ than raid though
fleet pivot
I had seen it in M+ and I just got a 985 one...was wondering if I should keep it for M+ing Thanks!