Ring sims higher for me than belt. Am I missing something here?
#protection
royal cobalt
warm plinth
Well if you didn't put in your own APL, it's still a useless sim unless I'm misunderstanding something
timid jay
@royal cobalt Did you download the latest nightly build or compile the code yourself?
timid jay
What are you simming with?
What SimC build?
Because if you didnt download it directly from the github and compile it yourself the belt isnt implemented
timid jay
If you dont want to compile it yourself, you can download the latest nightly build and use the following overrides:
override.spell_data=effect.275827.base_value=50
override.spell_data=effect.210836.base_value=10
Still wont have TWF or TGV implemented though
warm plinth
How accurate is this going to be for simming purposes without an APL?
royal cobalt
alrighty ty
warm plinth
Okay that's what I thought
timid jay
Not that hard to make a decent APL for us though, prot warriors dps rotation isnt that complicated
warm plinth
No but I'm not simc literate at all so I'll wait until someone smarter than me creates ones
one*
timid jay
Probably the recommended option
scenic dune
I was under the impression that the entire prot rotation was a priority thing
warm plinth
Is Melekus working on an APL or is his work finished with the SimC implementations and now we're waiting for someone like Akmandor to do it?
fleet galleon
Who is writing it? I want to buy them a virtual cake for their hard work
timid jay
Melekus fixed the implementation
warm plinth
Melekus did the SimC implementations I believe
scenic dune
as apposed to a set order some abilities should be cast in
timid jay
APL is up to the TC's
undone sun
^, melekus did the backend of SimC while we're doing the APL part of it
warm plinth
Super grateful for Melekus's hard work. Don't want to rudely ping but hopefully he knows how much we all appreciate the work he put in for us.
scenic dune
im sure he'd appreciate it
timid jay
Could link a basic ST APL if you want to
Been tinkering a bit with one, probably going to be further improvements to the APL once one is released
warm plinth
Is that where our focus would be probably, in creating the APLs? Primarily single target? Or will there likely be a multi-target one as well?
royal cobalt
Should I take simc's pawn string for dps as prot with a grain of salt?
timid jay
Yes
Definitely
Always take a pawn string with a grain of salt
Best is just resimming all gear, even that should be taken with a grain of salt
timid jay
If you have a huge margin of error do a target_error= sim
royal cobalt
type that into import?
timid jay
Be prepared for a very long simtime if you want extremely accurate numbers
But yeah, add target_error=0.05 into the simc file
royal cobalt
ok ty
timid jay
The lower you go the more accurate and longer sim time obviously
timid jay
what APL are you using?
royal cobalt
until now i used raidbots weekly build
seems okay but apparently inconsistent for prot
timid jay
Idk if the weekly build has any of the fixes
Nightly build has some at least
and the APL for that isnt really any good iirc
timid jay
Uhm yeah, I'd never ever recommend AMR to anyone
sick sentinel
timid jay
Guess their wiki for formulas is good, but thats about it
sick sentinel
that was the 3rd scythe
timid jay
Mythic?
royal cobalt
haha
timid jay
Nothing strange about it
84(1-0.44)*0.5=23.52
Roughly 23.5M damage if you did a normal block and 50% DR from armor
Ofc without versa and avoidance
(provided you have 7/7 in bastion)
Fucked the math ๐
warm plinth
So then same formula but replace .44 with .38 I think (I'm so not a math person)
warm plinth
Ain't nobody got time fo' dat
timid jay
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pv6xnZQKFwzAUzPvKmXtGje8zMLQasQK9dpA0YgONd4/edit#gid=1731903220
Theres a spreadsheet for it made by faide, might be some errors in it but for the normal scythe damage it should be fine
timid jay
If you're on mythic argus you should really try to get 7/7 in bastion
warm plinth
Tfw the only good relic I've gotten lately was a 970 on my guardian that has Thrash in T3. Think my war's weapon is like 954 :/
timid lagoon
i just came back from taking a break from wow and it seems that we still have to use the t20 set ;/
i am so sad right now
undone sun
don't have to
timid lagoon
is it a big difference?
undone sun
defensively it can be pretty useful on some fights, but not a requirement by anymeans
timid lagoon
hmmm
scenic dune
defensively its good, for straight domage, you'd use 2pc t21
timid lagoon
and if i wanted to go do tos
what is the ilvl difference that i should be looking at
from being worth or not worth to equip t20
timid jay
Tbh, I see no reason to go back and farm t20
Sure, if you get sick TF's on t20 it'll be worth it but might as well just aim for t21 4p since that more than covers our survivability needs
timid lagoon
ok thanks guys
scenic dune
t21 4pc isnt as bad as we initially thought it would be
timid jay
Mostly because it was changed once antorus released
scenic dune
wasn't that the whole current IP changed to next IP?
warm plinth
Your new pic is ๐ Marky
scenic dune
my friends put captions on it
warm plinth
As they should
timid jay
It was changed to include a buff to your next IP
Buffs your current IP if you have one up, if you dont your next IP is buffed
scenic dune
ah sweet
timid jay
on PTR it was only if you had one up
compact geyser
I definitely feel way stronger using the higher ilvl t21. It's actually pretty dope ๐ค
scenic dune
yeah if I feel myself riding the danger zone often, I'll end up swapping to t21 4pc, but with proper play (in heroic) I can just mongo my way through
sick sentinel
Hey guys do we have a guide on how to analyse logs for tanks? I stated tanking HC and got 4 bosses in but some of them just one-shot me a few times and keen to understand why
Started*
warm plinth
We have people to analyze logs. Chances are you're not using Shield Block for something you should be using Shield Block for though
What to use SB on is not always obvious
sick sentinel
Also my Co-tank is a DH thats 20ilvl above me, he keeps pulling aggro of me and keen to see that as well
Im not sure how to link my logs....๐คจ
warm plinth
Yeah, if you have logs, feel free to link them here. No way should any tank be peeling off of us, even if you don't have T21
Just go to your logs and paste the address here
warm plinth
Yeah, unless they're private, we should be able to see them
sick sentinel
This os what the GM gave me Logs are up. Let me know if they don't match what other's had.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/88724
Does that work?
My char name is Keepzup
warm plinth
Yep
So first thing I see is really poor Shield Block uptime
You have 23.38% uptime which is like...less than half what it should be. And your % of blocked hits is around that number too
They didn't do advanced logging so I can't see: what tier/legendaries? AHR is apparent but nothing else
On dogs, which I'm assuming is one of the ones you were randomly getting 1-shot on, your Shield Block is the culprit again. You need to have Shield Block or Neltharion's Fury active for every single Maw; you only blocked 25% of them (I bet your healers loved that :x)
You also have Vengeance talented, which means you should have equal numbers of casts of Revenge and Ignore Pain. You have tons more IP casts than Revenge which means you're not even getting anything out of that talent more than half the time.
junior ivy
iis shard of rokmora ever good?
warm plinth
Not unless it's way higher than any other trinket you have; then it might be better by the strength alone, for DPS
sick sentinel
I feel like I do not have enough rage for both SB and IP
warm plinth
SB costs minimal rage. And you would have way more rage available if you weren't wasting the Vengeance talent
sick sentinel
True thanks mate something I need to look into
warm plinth
Can you fill me in on your talents/tier/legendaries? I can't see due to no advanced logging
sick sentinel
O have the standard talent build with anger management. I have bad leggos at the moment. I have the ring that gives me additional talent and the 30% absorb trinket.
I have 2 Tier 21 pc
Res is M+ gear
undone sun
looks like you still have vengeance though, with t21 switch to booming voice
sick sentinel
I have veng and booming due to the leggo ring
warm plinth
He has the talent ring so he's getting vengeance from that
undone sun
ah
warm plinth
You have no other alternatives to those?
I mean, AHR really isn't terrible for DPS if you can pop it consistently. But the ring is definitely not one you want to use if you have the option once you get T21
sick sentinel
No Im still farming leggos
warm plinth
Alright
scenic dune
firstly, did we die? fairly obvious.
second, did we cap rage? we lose alot of DPS and EHP/HPS when we cap rage
what's our blocked melee hits percentage? the higher the better, not to be confused with shield block uptime.
if taken (it should be in all cases right now), what's our renewed fury uptime? we should be getting around 80% on most fights.
If vengeance is taken, (with T21 we dont take this), how many times did we cast revenge and IP, we're aiming for the same amount.
Are we SS'ing on cooldown?
with t21 and AM(should always have AM) are we using BC on cd, and are we dumping rage whilst it is?
are our TC stacks falling off?
are taunt swaps clean?
are we using the correct mitigation for the ability? Nelths for big blockable, SR for big magic, DS for small magic, LS or SW for big unblockable.
warm plinth
I can't see your rage (again, due to no advanced logging; they should really fix that), but you're also overcapping rage a ton
Which you can see by looking at your rage and going to the events tab. Anywhere you see an (O:#) after an event, it means you wasted rage
junior ivy
k help
i got an iron relic
955
no bastion
current iron relic
950
bastion
help.
warm plinth
Don't replace it
scenic dune
keep bastion
scenic dune
not right now you don't
warm plinth
@sick sentinel I think your two primary focuses should be using Shield Block more (specifically on hard hitting abilities like Burning/Corrupting Maw on dogs and the 2nd Expose Weakness on AHC, but your general uptime needs to go way up as well), and making sure you don't overcap rage. That's going to make a big difference. Replace that legendary ring ASAP too. Also, either start logging yourself with Advanced Combat Logging enabled, or tell whoever is logging to enable it
scenic dune
I have a 960 relic doing sweet nothing in my bags right now because my 930 has bastion
if you want to compare, check this old log of mine out, no t21 and using vengeance
scenic dune
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rocky brook
Is there a CrucibleWeight string for Prot?
warm plinth
No there's not; we only recently got "working" sims for DPS so it may happen in the future but can't say for usre.
sure*
rocky brook
Alright, thanks
timid jay
Even if we got a crucibleweight string, it would only be fof offense and you might aswell sim it yoirself then
scenic dune
imo it's pretty straight forward what we can get out of our relics
sick sentinel
@scenic dune @warm plinth thanks for all the tips and stuff I do wrong. I felt like suck a fail in that raid. Ill get WA to help me track those two things SB en Veng/IP. Ill have a look at those logs today thanks.
scenic dune
if you want to have a giggle, check out my NH parses
warm plinth
For Garothi you can just cast Shield Block as much as possible while tanking the boss
There's nothing specific you need to block
scenic dune
then I got blasted first week of ToS and came here
sick sentinel
I need 25% haste for 100% SB uptime right?
warm plinth
No
undone sun
no
scenic dune
cant do it
scenic dune
you can have 100% effective uptime
warm plinth
You just need SB up as much as possible while tanking, but especially for certain abilities that can be blocked, such as Burning Maw
IIRC you can actually have 100% uptime while tanking on High Command
warm plinth
You only have the boss for like 20 seconds at a time
sturdy sable
If your co tank is paying attention
scenic dune
oh, 100% effective uptime
warm plinth
Yeah, effective. Just while tanking the boss
scenic dune
not literally 100% uptime throughout the entire fight
warm plinth
Right
Not every boss has that short of a tanking uptime though. Like Portal Keeper I imagine you won't always have 100%, but I don't think it's really her melees that are dangerous anyway; it's the Rift DoT
scenic dune
yup
you don't exactly notice that SB isn't active until you get hit by something that's big and blockable
"lookin' at you, maw"
otherwise I just make sure that I have SB up for BC lul
warm plinth
I've been kinda jonesing to get my feet wet in at least normal ATB lately, but it just seems like potentially wasted time. I like killing bosses but my primary goal is loot so it's a bummer to spend a few hours killing things and not even get anything
scenic dune
sounds like I should join you when im not working
mongo through some bosses
wait
you're US, right?
scenic dune
aight cool
warm plinth
I play weird hours though; I work nights
scenic dune
im in New Zealand so that works in my favor
warm plinth
You play on US servers from there? How's your ping?
scenic dune
yup, 150ms
warm plinth
Oh, 150 isn't too bad
scenic dune
I don't notice it
warm plinth
I'd even play a caster on 150
275-300 is where I hit my breaking point. I was around 220ms when I played on EU and by like a month in, I didn't even notice it.
fleet galleon
Meanwhile in group with someone from Barthilas, 3k ping
scenic dune
yeah there's 150MS with good internet, and then there's getting 150MS on a server that would normally give you 20ms
warm plinth
I've never gotten that bad of ping. But I can't heal in OCE groups. I usually get up to around 310-315 in those and it feels like shit
scenic dune
ahahahaa
sick sentinel
@scenic dune Im NZ as well!
warm plinth
Tanking idc though; I'm mashing buttons anyway
scenic dune
asuh dude
the only places where my ping has been a detriment is fast things like the guitar hero phase on maiden
and like getting out of storm in coven
warm plinth
I wish I had Guitar Hero ๐ค
scenic dune
yeah you learn to be real quick to react on higher pings, or so I've found
merry cave
Did a 23 Kara upper last night, that mana worm sucks lol. We stomped curator and medivh then spent 25 mins on the stupid worm -_-
warm plinth
Yeah for high tyr, immunities are basically mandatory since the stacks tick so hard
worn vine
what leggos are you guys running for mythic vari if you are escorting?
undone sun
offensive ones
worn vine
our warrior only has bracers as far as prot leggos go he has all of the arms ones
what would you suggest from that pool
timid jay
As much as ypu can get, the more the merrier
With the usual caviat of not dropping ilvl for it since raw amount of stats still matter more
lone folio
what about trading my 4-piece bonus for 5% extra haste?
timid jay
4pc is definitely stronger defensively
timid jay
npnp
worn vine
ty for the help with the legendary suggestions btw
celest portal
I'm an ex mythic arms war who left during tomb, just came back now and thinking of just casually tanking mythic 10-15+ each week till bfa how does prot warrior stack up for that? I've got t20 and im running manny bracers as well as soul of the battle lord atm.
warm plinth
What item level are you?
undone sun
any tank is more than viable for 15s, keystones are more about the player until you get to mid-to-high 20s
celest portal
im 944, using immortality and Khaz'goroths as my trinkets since I didnt have any tank trinkets
warm plinth
15s should be easily doable. Read up in the pins to make sure you're up to date on what talents to use and stuff. I would strongly suggest getting a hold of 2pc T21 as soon as possible and ditching the soul ring when you can.
undone sun
Gloves/Bracers/Belt are the top three (not in that order)
timid jay
belt is by far the best in aoe scenarios
celest portal
ohh yeah
in m+ belt would be baller
what about the walls fell for survivability?
undone sun
it's fine, more useable with t21 and the second best option with the tier combo but doesn't beat any of the three mentioned above
warm plinth
Easy to get legendaries now if you do content. With essences you can get a guaranteed legendary every 1-2 weeks (depending on how much content you do)
And that's not counting your regular drops
celest portal
Im just going to be doing weekly normal and see how far I can pug heroic. I play ffxiv more seriously and just wanted to play wow in my ffxiv downtime
aside from m+ and dailies of course
sick sentinel
Farming for leggo myself at the moment, if you clear Antorus and do the daily quests and the daily HC with daily PVP you can get a leggo a week and sometimes two a week
@undone sun Whats the highest M+ you have done?
undone sun
uh i think a 21, idk i don't really push that much
royal cobalt
Is there a dps trinket spreadsheet for prot?
timid jay
#Soon
royal cobalt
oh alright
rotund token
So, Ive been thinking about switching from maining boomkin to Prot warrior. I have however, noticed a large influx of tanks in the game. Is it worth it to go tank?
undone sun
if it suits your interests/needs, sure
warm plinth
Yeah
junior ivy
cool
warm plinth
Almost definitely, though I guess if it took you like 4 hours it might not
round vortex
I think the answer @rotund token needs is HELL YEAH MAKE THE SWITCH!!! Prot warrior 4 lyfe!
warm plinth
Then yeah, it'll easily beat the +15
junior ivy
yay
warm plinth
Level means more than any other metric used to calculate score. Chests hardly matter, though I believe there is a small bonus for doing it in time vs out of time.
An in time 19 would be 209 I believe, so you're looking at probably low-mid 190s for doing it out of the timer (estimating). A +15 is only like 151.5
Assuming right on time
junior ivy
i killed mythic helya tonight ๐
warm plinth
Sorry, 19 in time is 236, not 209. I'm a failure
warm plinth
Here ya go. This is the base scores for each level of M+ if you did it exactly in time.
warm plinth
lol
sick sentinel
@warm plinth Do you use WA?
warm plinth
Not really. I have one for Prolonged Power potions to remind me to use them but other than that, not on my warrior.
royal cobalt
weak auras comes in handy for me on a lot of stuff
antorus, sephuz, dot reminder on guardian druid, mage tower
warm plinth
I use some on my mistweaver...if I was a good prot warrior I'd probably use a Scales tracker
But idgaf
royal cobalt
haha
i try to keep as minimal of a ui as possible
sometimes ill delete some strings
final mist
There are a few WA that are really good that are listed in the guide.
The ones Macro and Hamsda created for all the tanks are pretty comprehensive and show you pretty much everything you need, buff-wise
warm plinth
^ There are a few suites I've tried that are pretty solid; I just don't feel like I need quite that much information.
winged marsh
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junior ivy
i feel like its impossible to make boig progress though
with m+ score
do i gotta do eveyr dungeon on a +18?
winged marsh
i believe every dungeon at 19 is 3k
warm plinth
Yeah every dungeon at 19 is 3065 if you do it exactly on time
Well out of time is definitely a substantial loss. That 19 would be 236 if it were in time instead of 201.2 out of time
The 18 would be 214 instead of 184
warm plinth
Then you have several 15s to replace yet
It's meant to be hard. What would be the point if it were easy?
junior ivy
its toooo hard lol
winged marsh
thats the fun on M+
warm plinth
Doing past +15 is literally just for the sake of challenge (and I guess possible extra drops)
winged marsh
constantly pushing your limit
junior ivy
one of the dps in my cos 19 siad i was bad tongiht ๐ฆ
warm plinth
I get told I'm bad weekly ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
winged marsh
yep
warm plinth
If you think they're right, get better. If you don't, fuck them
winged marsh
and you cant be expected to play perfectly all the time anyways
junior ivy
winged marsh
i've definitely fucked up lots of keys with my group
junior ivy
hes probably right
warm plinth
What walls? ๐ค
warm plinth
Yeah she said court
The only ring I can think of is maybe the center area of the first boss
So maybe they mean the streetsweeper
winged marsh
๐คท๐ผ
winged marsh
no idea what walls hes talkin about lol
winged marsh
wall of clones? idk lol
junior ivy
we wiped once on last boss which caused us to miss timer
winged marsh
we've changed our lust timings to make the timer way easier
warm plinth
Maybe he means the piercing gale lines?
restive scroll
@junior ivy You can check out "the thorough tank " channel on youtube, to get some more knowledge
warm plinth
If healer was standing in mid, he'd be baiting blade surges there which means more criss-cross of lines for the gales
winged marsh
lust the docks pull, lust thhe second miniboss with a pack of 3, lust last boss
junior ivy
hogo is that the australian guy?
i watched his video for seat. i should check out his others
restive scroll
Quite frankly he discribes some pulls as "easy" when i wouldn't do them, and the other way around, it's missing a lot of details i think become important after a while, but it's pretty nice
Yeah, seat is actually terrible for warrior
winged marsh
seat is terrible*
junior ivy
i gotta get a seat done but im scared
am i better off tomorrow or tuesday?
i just wanna do 15 or 16
warm plinth
I'd rather do Seat this week than next
winged marsh
next week is gonna suck for it too
restive scroll
The day I understood i could reflect most of the mobs, was the day i understood it was doable for a warrior
winged marsh
this week definitely easier
restive scroll
I meant the video is terrible ^^
restive scroll
I mean, if you don't reflect the blops on +20 fortified, you're gonna die, that's all
warm plinth
Yeah he doesn't mention much in the way of class specific stuff that often, if ever. But still decent beginner guides to the dungeons.
restive scroll
You need to know that if you want to be able to survive
junior ivy
yeah i ddint know that
warm plinth
The Famished Broken in the trash around the first boss cast Dark Withering which is a stacking 10% damage taken debuff. You can reflect it as a warrior.
restive scroll
The guy plays DH, he doesn't know trhose kind of things
(monk/pal too i think, anyway)
warm plinth
He just silences/kites them as a DH so he doesn't have to worry about it :p
restive scroll
exactly
When i have some time, i'll try to hit up Thyme so we can update his spreadshit for reflect on trashs, that's pretty important too
(like the ghost on UK/LK start)
warm plinth
Meh. I've started using SR for those, but I still get pissed off that healers don't dispel the DoT
I wonder if it doesn't show by default or something
restive scroll
that's why i reflect them
warm plinth
It's annoying to do a higher fortified key and I'm getting trucked by it when they could just dispel it
restive scroll
And that's a pretty nice input of dommage
warm plinth
I really want the pants soon so I can giggle at Upper Kara
restive scroll
Yeah, it's not the same instance with them to be honest
warm plinth
I don't have chest or prydaz yet
I think I'm left with two good ones and 3 bad actually
restive scroll
I wonder if we could use the chest on some trashs to save another person
warm plinth
Could get legs or bracers, but then I could get chest, prydaz, or...blanking on the last one tbh lol
restive scroll
bracer aren't as important as they seems
warm plinth
I mean, the effect is there I guess. But chances are you would've saved them just with Safeguard anyway, so the absorb would be next to meaningless
restive scroll
I mean, depending on if the healer realise he doesn't need to help you that much
Safeguard absorb only aa, right?
undone sun
no
warm plinth
Safeguard absorbs anything
warm plinth
There are some things you can't reliably use it on but yeah you can do dumb shit with it
Like Nightmare Bolt you'd have to have pretty killer reflexes for it to work, since you have to intercept prior to the cast starting
restive scroll
(And i was thinking of stuff like the lantern spell in VoTW, especially on raging)
that's not called reflexes but premonition :')
warm plinth
Lantern spell? Oh, you mean the miniboss?
restive scroll
yeup, before second elevator
For example, i'm pretty sure there's other things
even last cos boss
warm plinth
Imprison really is no big deal if people do the mechanic right. You can group soak it or use root removals to get out of it
undone sun
druid typooh and dk grip can interrupt the cast of the cage as well
warm plinth
Ah good to know. Actually wasn't aware of that.
undone sun
might be more, i don't really know, like tbh i didn't know root can
warm plinth
Now I feel like a dick for not gripping it on my DK D:
undone sun
lol
warm plinth
There are a lot of little tricks you wouldn't think of that just aren't common knowledge; I learn new ones every week it seems like
undone sun
yeh
warm plinth
I just learned the other day that you can disorient Glaivyanna to delay her Meta
restive scroll
I know, but i do most on my mm+ in pugs, so you know, you often have to compensate when you can
ionic fern
I mostly pug as well. :d
restive scroll
@warm plinth You're talking about first miniboss on votw right?
ionic fern
Yes he is.
warm plinth
Yeah, first miniboss
restive scroll
Very nice to know, she hits really hard on high keys
ionic fern
Imo it's a lot better to start off with pugs since then you learn how derp people can be so you know what to expect and preemptively do something about it next time around.
warm plinth
Note the delay part. She will try to recast it like 6-10 seconds later. The cast time is also rather quick so you have to make sure you're not mid-global to actually get it off. Knockbacks don't work either; has to be a disorient.
ionic fern
And later if you find a decent group it's like "OH SHIT. PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY BE GOOD"
warm plinth
But still, on high keys, 6-10 seconds of no meta is amazing
restive scroll
@ionic fern Of course, it's also nice to learn some new things
tawny crown
can pally still repent her @ 30% to mitigate meta cast?
restive scroll
@warm plinth In 21 last night, on raging, she did 10M ~ by aa
So 6-10 sec, is freaking amazing :')
warm plinth
Probably but that'd be nearly impossible to time well. And it's actually somewhere between 50 and 60% that she casts it initially.
Rather use Blinding Light for the insta-disorient
ionic fern
^
warm plinth
Her cast time is less than a global for my guardian. I had to basically wait out the cast once she hit 60% so I could actually interrupt it
restive scroll
How about 2nd boss azshara for the chest?
ionic fern
Or be a man and tank it.
warm plinth
Lol
restive scroll
I mean, i my charges to clean the tornadoes so far, but it could help someone survive
warm plinth
Yeah not like we really need them for anything else soon after.
restive scroll
Without the torso :p
warm plinth
Again, Safeguard will help even without the chest
ionic fern
Why would you clear the tornadoes?
restive scroll
On high tyranical, sometimes you don't have enough, especially if dps stand on them and remove them aswell
ionic fern
I've only done EOA on +21 but we've never had any space problems.
restive scroll
run inside, and charge/leap out
Depend on the pops, level of the key, dps of the group, and people removing them aswell
Btw, i got a tornado pop ON a mot, just before her cast once
And they go close to people, so you also prevent them to get bump
warm plinth
Idk I'd rather use my intercepts with CDs to help squishy DPS but it depends on group comp
restive scroll
I usually have some anyway, regardless of the key level
restive scroll
Nop', i actually discovered it on a spreadshit this week
As you said, every week i find out something :')
warm plinth
Ooooh, spreadsheet? What spreadsheet ๐ฎ
I have one that has a lot of hunter specific stuff (but also general tricks too)
restive scroll
Scent of Blood Blockable Melee
Intercept Fenryr's target completely avoiding the need to kite
On the blocable one
undone sun
๐
warm plinth
Oh, right
I forgot it was mentioned on there
Thyme stealing my thunder and shit
๐
undone sun
๐
restive scroll
That's what he does, that's why he's stormforged and you aren't, i guess :/
warm plinth
Touche ๐ญ
restive scroll
Odyn didn't chose you !
warm plinth
I'm not stormforged because I don't actually know anything. I just parrot what others say faster than they can because I type faster.
restive scroll
So it doesn't have anything to do with the nordic god? :(
warm plinth
Nope. I mean, I have no aspiration to be Stormforged or anything else anyway. I just use Discord to kill time at work instead of, you know, working.
restive scroll
As we do all
restive scroll
Replace working by "something you should be doing then" :/
smoky garnet
So I just chill around like 5-6 different discord channels lol
warm plinth
Unholy should I just send you a list of my Discord servers so you can join all of them?
I think you're missing a couple
undone sun
๐ it's like you know how i got stormforged
smoky garnet
Class*
restive scroll
\o
smoky garnet
Iโm active in 5 class discordโs and the recruitment discord
The rest are random server Iโm in
Servers*
warm plinth
๐ I didn't mean to steal your story Thyme
undone sun
lol
warm plinth
Yeah I was gonna say I've seen you in blood, vengeance, and now here tonight
restive scroll
btw learning is mostly what you described
smoky garnet
Iโm on all tank discords
But pally one
Cause I hear itโs useless (not sure)
And I donโt play pally so
warm plinth
I have only glanced at the pally discord but it seems pretty toxic tbh
I am in it for the resources
smoky garnet
I see what you did there...
warm plinth
I left Dreamgrove because I barely touch my guardian anymore
warm plinth
And idk what I can learn from there beyond get 3 thrash relics, which I know already. There's not much you can learn as a Guardian.
deft sapphire
you can learn what to use mark of ursol on!
warm plinth
I've started doing shit like weeklies and dailly heroics on mine again but idk that I'll really do anything relevant until the expansion to see how they are.
smoky garnet
You have to hit thrash harder
warm plinth
Too soon mgll, too soon
smoky garnet
Too late mgll, too late
restive scroll
I feel like he doesn't have enough defensive tool
(for mm+ at least)
the only "interesting thing they have, is the kite potential
warm plinth
I don't like playing my druid because a.) it's mindless and b.) they melt like the cartoon bad guy in Who Framed Roger Rabbit
When magic hits them
restive scroll
Yeup
smoky garnet
I mainly play a dk
warm plinth
Which makes them utterly unfun in M+
restive scroll
Doesn't help you in DHT 2nd boss for exemple
warm plinth
Yeah my DK is actually my highest ilevel toon
Eh, I mean you have Frenzied Regen for that so I don't think that's bad
It's more trash packs than anything else for me
Shade sucks as a guardian though
restive scroll
Yeah, but if you don't get hit hard, FR doesn't do much
warm plinth
Have to waste interrupts on it because you have nothing to avoid the debuff with
Yeah, I have a WA that tells me how much my FR will heal me for
restive scroll
And it usually sucks
warm plinth
So for things like Grip, you just eat a few ticks, then pop it
Honestly most of being a good guardian is knowing when to press FR and when not to press FR
restive scroll
And i get bored on my BDK, although i didn't gear him much
warm plinth
Especially coming from virtually any other tank besides monk, you have to get used to actually needing to be healed
But that's part of the design; their mastery increases healing done to them
smoky garnet
Besides monk?
warm plinth
Yeah, monks also need healing
warm plinth
I said it weird too so I understand lol
smoky garnet
Dumb unholy being dumb again
warm plinth
Hey, you have an excuse, you haven't slept in 8 years or whatever
smoky garnet
LOL
Nah I got good 10 hour sleep today so Iโm happy
But I need to be awake in 2 hours
So Iโm fucked in that department
warm plinth
RIP
ionic fern
I feel so bad when ever i play my warrior due to how i am dependant on healers. ๐ฆ
The fact that i don't have bracers doesn't help tho
.:D
smoky garnet
The thing I learned recently
warm plinth
Guess that depends on content and shit but I don't really feel that dependent on my healer in M+ on my warrior
restive scroll
Most healer heal you regardless anyway, so... you're not missing out on much
smoky garnet
Is that the best healing sniper is the god dam panth trinket
warm plinth
I mean, I definitely need healing compared to my DK or my DH, but it's nothing compared to my druid
restive scroll
Some healer forget to heal you at all on the other hand, when you have wrists
deft sapphire
warriors only dont need healing with wrists when the incoming damage is fairly trivilal
ionic fern
Ofc healers heal you regardless but i just don't have the "Oh shit, i'm low , lemme smash hotp" for example.
warm plinth
Just depends on the damage intake. If it's bursts followed by nothing, you can self-maintain pretty well if you time BC and shit (take Travex's video he shared recently for example)
tight tree
Hey. Quick question. Is 4p t20+2p t21 still worth it if t20 is low ilevel (910-915)? For survivability. Mythic Antorus. Compared to full ilevel 4p t21 setup i am losing 10 ilevels (from 960 to 950). I looked @ Guide in pins, and it says it is still better for survival, but that much loss of ilevel concern me. Sorry if stupid.
warm plinth
I would just stick with 4pc T21 personally
sick sentinel
sup crusher? still workin ?
warm plinth
Nope. I'm at home atm
frigid talon
Ive been tanking alot more for my guild lately, running 2p r21 with haste offpieces, you think i should go for 4pc instead? 
Mostly mythic tier pieces
Stopped using the t20 4pc t21 2pc setup a while ago since i never remember to pop BR
warm plinth
No harm in using it if you think you need the extra survivability then. If not, stick with what you're using.
frigid talon
the biggest hit would be on the legs, going from 970 to 945 if i remember right
ive kind of been testing stuff out on the farm bosses
astral badge
What damage potion should i be using for prot in m plus?
warm plinth
Prolonged power
astral badge
โค
sick sentinel
Congratulations!
warm plinth
Nicely done Trav
junior igloo
What is it though?
fathom hollow
looks like m+ logs
little rain
I believe its parses for all keys overall for tanks. Someone from my MDI group dm'd me with it. It's not overall completion score but ill take what I can get for now lol.
sick sentinel
hold that protflag up dude! we believe in u .. haha ๐ช
little rain
Trying bud, we're 7th in US atm for proving grounds but we'll fall when time trials start prolly. Assumedly all blood dks then.
ionic fern
No DH's from US?
indigo phoenix
is there some place i could check best leggos to use for individual tasks? M+/raids/ST/AoE etc
restive scroll
Does someone know how to reproduce Hyrja's bug by any chance? I can't do it everytime
warm plinth
Which bug?
restive scroll
warm plinth
Is that the one to like cross her empowerments up?
restive scroll
yeup
On some pugs it's required by leader, on others healers are like "don't, i can handle it" and fail
warm plinth
There's no real reason to do the bug...
She still gets fully empowered arc/expel
And those are the dangerous part of the fight
old zephyr
Hey guys I just looted destniy drivers, how bad is it (i'm currently using The walls fell and quest ring, with prydaz a,d soul in my bags)? equiping DD would make me lose t214P
warm plinth
It's the only legendary in the game that is 100% useless as anything but a stat stick
restive scroll
It's dangerous oneshot wise, but healing eye of the vortex in high tyranical keys is very tough
And you're sure she does arc/expel on the oposite side?
warm plinth
I haven't done it myself but have been told by several people that the only purpose the bug serves is to reduce the damage of the storm
Which isn't the hard part of the fight
restive scroll
174 M on 5 people, for one storm
warm plinth
You can see in the video she still does the proper ability for her empowerment state
warm plinth
Idk, I'll let Travex share his opinion on the matter since he actually has experience at that level. The deaths I see on high keys aren't from the storm though; they're from expel mostly
ionic fern
The deaths come from ->Storm->people low from storm->Insta arch/expel.
restive scroll
What are you considering being high keys?
warm plinth
Over 20
restive scroll
Alright, on the same page on that, and yet we disagree
ionic fern
Fact is a DPSer has around 6m health ->a tick can take it down to half.
restive scroll
even in fortified weeks i see healers ask for pridaz/versagear/avoid
warm plinth
People overestimate the effect of tyrannical as far as ability damage
ionic fern
It's the thing that leads UP to the deaths.
warm plinth
Tyrannical isn't hard because of the 15% damage; it's hard because of the 40% extra health, which equates to more dealing with the bad stuff
A tyrannical key is the same as a fortified two levels lower
As far as boss damage goes
ionic fern
Hyrja recks parties since most people use defensives during storm and even after that people are around 30-50% health..and then the RNG of Arc/expell comes in and just oneshots someone unless the healer has godlike reflexes to top the person instantly.
restive scroll
That too
warm plinth
Maybe in your groups, that's the case.
I've watched tons of high level M+ runs, and there's very rarely a death because of a storm+ability combo. It's either ability+ability combo, or just outright getting 1-shot because of a lack of defensive. Most groups you see are full HP after storm.
restive scroll
"watched" as of videos? Like premade group where they can adapt? :p
little rain
Its a very valuable thing to do, absolutely. having the storm do almost no dmg is insane. People still need to properly gear and cd for the st casts but every1 will b topped faster, ur healer will have more mana and cds to prevent deaths
warm plinth
Well there you have it.
restive scroll
?
warm plinth
Travex actually does high keys, and he says it's worth doing. So it's worth doing.
restive scroll
Alright x)
@little rain by any chance, do you know exactly how to do it? I can't seem to do it everytime
ionic fern
This was on +21..fortified however. Eye of Storm damage.
I rememberd i loged a HoV on my pally.:')
And this is what i was talking about..Storm+ability
warm plinth
AFAIK you just have her on one side of the middle, and then right before the special, you move her to the other side.
ionic fern
second after storm- arcing bolt for 5m
Taking into consideration most DPS'ers have 6m hp.
warm plinth
Yeah, I wasn't arguing that the storm wasn't dangerous
warm plinth
I thought we were talking about organized groups, since it seems the majority of keys that high are done with stable groups.
ionic fern
I wish i had a organized group. ๐ฆ I'm bound to pugging..only done up to +23. ๐ฆ
warm plinth
Yeah I imagine it's hard to even find a PUG higher than that
little rain
@restive scroll We only started playing with that strat tgis week but it seemed like being somewhat close to the mid, letting her get 1 stack, waiting 1 second then leaping over was working, but the sample size of pulls was small - I still have to go back and perfect the pull
warm plinth
@little rain What do you use to see her stacks? I've tried several things to get it to show but I still can't see her damn stacks -_-
little rain
I dont have any significant ui mods, not sure i can help there XD I assume you have elvui or something?
warm plinth
Yeah, I added the mystic empowerments to the white list but that didn't seem to work. Guess I'll just have to keep trying
restive scroll
@little rain I didn't do something that precise, but sometimes i get a shield of light doing something close to that
which means that she stacks more before storm, so it's worse
restive scroll
I got it too, but it's nothing consistant
warm plinth
Really throws you off on higher keys when you need to use SR for it and you're not prepared lol
restive scroll
Especially since you don't have it for the next one
warm plinth
Yep
maiden ravine
hah, coming back to my warrior after a long time, I legit have 940 legendaries on her. Mannoroth are near OP right?
restive scroll
depending on context, but they are still nice overall anyway
warm plinth
Definitely the strongest defensive legendary in most cases
maiden ravine
Figured as much, seems to be doing solid healing for me
unborn island
@ionic fern same boat as me then :) I've learned a lot from doing bosses on 22/23 this week. Mostly,that they hurt
maiden ravine
feels bad in the trial of style when you're the only one that matches the theme but only get third place hah
sick sentinel
i stopped to discuss the issue if i smth. matches the theme or not long ago ๐ค teachers had the power to be right! lul
round vortex
fuck yeah prot family. i said we starting mythic prog this week and we 2 shot Garothi LOL ez mode
bleak skiff
anyone know how to make a macro to intercept to a certain target?
warm plinth
#showtooltip /cast [@playername] Intercept
warm plinth
๐ช
round vortex
๐
dogs 48 % first pull lol
LOL 2 shot it
fuck me mythic shoulda done this years ago
warm plinth
I mean, Antorus wasn't out then ๐ค lol
compact geyser
I like Antorus ๐ป
unborn island
Kinda tired of it tbh, finding heroic pugs that just sit down and clear the place in 1.5 hours is trying
Unless something changes, I'm not going to be doing mythic
maiden ravine
Hah, groups find female gnome warriors so adorable
unborn island
buuuutt.... I still really like M+
so true @maiden ravine I remember back in WOTLK our other tank was a Gnome Prot Warrior. Watching this tiny thing tank Sapphiron was hilarious
maiden ravine
Yeah, I'm working on all mage tower appearances, 11/36 so far. Done BrM and Guardian in the tanks so far. Prot warrior is next
ignore pain feels so broken sometimes
vagrant parcel
Is there a legendary that is able to perform as good as the belt in combination with Mannoroth's? I should probably just use the belt, but i have a 975 haste/mastery belt i don't want to leave in my bag
restive scroll
Which context? Do you want to switch for mm progress? high keys? [...] (for dps? survivability?)
vagrant parcel
oh right, should have mentioned that i only tank mythic+, 16-17 ish keys
restive scroll
So, mostly dps?
Gloves are good on single target, but it's hard to beat belt on big packs
Legs are pretty usefull for survivability given how much you can reflect in mm+
Frankly, i swap between 4/5 legendaries in mm+ , so if you just want to nobrain it, i'd go with gloves
vagrant parcel
Yeah it's not as simple as 1 set of legendaries, but for a casual tank like myself i'll stick to the gloves
Thanks ๐
warm plinth
On big packs you really can't beat the belt. Drastically increased uptime on Demo Shout is wayyyyyy better than 20% increased SS or TC after an auto attack
unborn island
Hands+belt, swap in bracers/legs where required. EG third boss of seat = legs and bracers. And then run speed set
round vortex
Tonight was good to me ๐
compact geyser
Nice on both accounts
round vortex
Cheers haha
compact geyser
I've been super lucky on our heroic runs. The stand out is a 975 Diimas. R a w r
round vortex
fuck yeah nice
compact geyser
Yeah dude. On aoe that thing is a monster. With BC and what not it crits for like 2.5mil
merry cave
I plugged heroic coven 5 times this week + guild clear still no trinket :( every week spend all my coins on it
round vortex
I got my 3rd one tonight lol. All 945 but tonights had speed on it as well lol
dusky summit
i run heroic coven since opening of argus, and have yet to see one drop for myself and i reroll coven 2-3x a week
not including mythic... i'm just not meant to get diimas :c
sick sentinel
same tho..odd coinsink
compact geyser
Our guild hasn't seen a legendary trinket drop and we've cleared every week since release.
timid jay
I've only seen 1 drop on a pug on my alt
daring aspen
Have you seen the tank trinket on your warrior tho?
timid jay
No ๐ญ
daring aspen
But you have the dps one so you should go angry boy instead
strong hill
@compact geyser we havenโt had any drop. Another guild on our server had 3 in 3 weeks. They thought they were a 100% drop until the week they didnโt get one
compact geyser
I have both trinkets now. Just waiting and praying for the legendary one.
strong hill
Same.
gloomy light
@tepid chasm haha very funny
stuck oxide
๐
dark junco
timid jay
Nope
upper spoke
what would u guys consider bis tier and farm legendaries? movement speed + heavy damage? what if u want to throw in self-sustain (just add bracers)?
last night i tried t20 2p + t21 2p + leg gloves/shoulders
and bear tartare
could exchange leg gloves for feet, but leg shoulders still would restrict access to 4p/2p
prisma crane
Yo Cosmo, how did your weekend raid go?
prisma crane
wow nice!
timid jay
Hoping he goes down next reset, once we hit the 10min mark with BL should be easy kill
prisma crane
yea, your DPS is so much higher than ours, man, i'm hoping it goes down this wk too, but we'll have to see
last raid day of the week we started looking somewhat stable in P3
timid jay
You spying on our logs? ๐
prisma crane
yea i just looked it up
on your 22% pull you were 13% ahead of us, but only like 30ish seconds further into the fight
timid jay
p1 without BL is gonna be extremely tight
bitter jay
how much haste is too much haste?
stark sage
when you are sacrificing ilvl for it
bitter jay
i have this 980 crit vers +5% rage neck, 35ilvl above a haste+mastery, i'm newbie i don't know how to proper evaluate stats for prot, all i know is that i nee high haste for shield block
stark sage
980 for sure
and you dont really need haste for block uptime, its more for the rage generation
bitter jay
oh thanks
modest crest
A well time shield wall, demo shout, or nelth fury can help cover shield block gaps if/when needed
stark sage
demo shout should more or less be used on CD, for the rage
but if you can forsee a case where its the only CD you would have available and you need something, then sure
modest crest
Yeah I guess I worded that wrong, meant more if I have demo active and Iโm not taking a big hit then itโs ok to roll with it for a few seconds and some IP
ionic fern
Anyone who done a realm/faction change knows how to get their UI with them? I copy pasted the folder from my WTF file to the other server..but still nothing
Not using elvui btw
winged marsh
you didnt have a backup folder?
vital fulcrum
bitter jay
another thing, is nelt lair bad for prot or it is me that sucks way too much
prisma crane
@vital fulcrum no
@bitter jay obv you ๐ but no, it's not a particularly bad dungeon for us, and if you have arat's you can SR quite a bit on the back 3 bosses
bitter jay
i had problems with first boss and and with that pack with a green stone dude
i've never used spell reflect before lol
restive scroll
that's too bad, that's what makes us pretty strong in mm+
Check out the pinned messages, you'll see that you can do loads on boss
round hornet
@bitter jay r u getting hit by the cone of spikes?
stun or displace the mob and it will cancel its cast, no reason to eat it
undone sun
First boss shouldn't be an issue, the shard cast doesn't track the tank so move out if it.
The hulking giants do track the tanks however so you want to stun it every time you get knocked back
restive scroll
If you don't have stun, just use a big CD, not much else you can do
round hornet
you will probobly have a stun for each one as a prot war
dunno what else to use on for those packs
restive scroll
How so @round hornet ?
undone sun
Warbringer
restive scroll
Always run with shockwave
round hornet
you will have more stuns w/ warbringer
restive scroll
Warbringer doesn't seem that good and even more with raging week
undone sun
And it's off the Dr of other stuns
restive scroll
Oh
west kayak
WB all the time. ๐
restive scroll
It's off the dr, seriously
round hornet
anyways, even with shockwave you can always ask someone else in your grp to use theirs
restive scroll
alright, that's pretty nice then :')
round hornet
knockback like typhoon and stuff also work
restive scroll
These are 2 mobs packs, only one shockwave avaiable
undone sun
It's miles better than the other
restive scroll
Well, if it's off DR, yeah
undone sun
2 charges, off Dr, stuns enemies when you intercept a nearby melee
It's by far the most preferred in keystone's
restive scroll
Yeup, I just thought it was on DR, which would have been extremely bad (seemed logical to me it was)
west kayak
Pets as well including the Shadow Priest octopus looking thing.
undone sun
lol
prisma crane
for the green rock dudes, just make sure ur at max melee range and when they knock you back move away slightly first, otherwise you'll be too close to charge in for the stun
undone sun
otherwise intercept a melee or have the healer stand close
sick sentinel
What is a good ilvl for the mage tower challenge ?
undone sun
can be done as low as 890, obviously the higher the better
prisma crane
funny, you need 890 to get T21 (LFR), assuming the worst luck ever, but 2 legos, your gear excluding the 2 legendaries and 2p T21 would have to be around 870 average to maintain 890 overall
that'd be the weirdest way to do the mage tower with T21 and still low AF ilvl
fleet galleon
Could get average around 900 with unsullied gear. That wouldn't be impossible to have mostly unsullied gear and a couple legendaries
proper pecan
empty nacelle
obviously things are still up in the air, but what's the story on the current allied races for tanks?
undone sun
pretty marginal as most racials are, highmountain's DR racial is scaled for BFA so currently is pretty lackluster
DiD's fireblood is pretty good but not game breaking, zandalari and maghar orc are tbd afaik
cosmic cargo
with belt how many targets do you need to prio TC over SS?
wondering mostly about BC duration
prisma crane
if your goal is dps, you'd probably see more dmg from TC than SS with as little as 2, but certainly at 3
during BC
belt or no belt
cosmic cargo
is it ever worth survivability wise?
fleet galleon
On multiple targets with the belt yeah, TC is very beneficial survivability wise. Assuming Demo Shout is on cooldown and you're benefitting from the CDR the belt provides
versed heron
so for the 'Coven of Shivarra' bossfight, what's the best way to reduce damage from a 'Fiery Strike' or 'Flash Freeze?'
fleet galleon
Spell reflect
versed heron
Oh, I guess I read this wrong, cause i thought you can't reflect/block it https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS0Qz3UUx42xfoK_HLnSHihtlXKg-qQk-RYox2TOdDwgJ98Go8zvjJTuY0NWqCiM5mSxWiHogfRQM0-/pubhtml#
fleet galleon
You cannot reflect it but spell reflect still mitigates magic damage by 50%
round hornet
it doesnt reflect but if you mouseover the spell you will see it reduces damage too
versed heron
Right, my mistake. I just read it wrong =/
fleet galleon
No worries
Everything in blue on that sheet is magic damage and can be reduced by spell reflect
versed heron
Trying to get a better hang of PW, so I'm studying up all I can about them.
fleet galleon
Sure. Feel free to message here with any questions. There's almost always people around to help
versed heron
so each tank specializes in something better than the other. Is mobility the one thing warriors can do better than others, or is it something else?
fleet galleon
Warriors are pretty mobile for sure. Maybe not more so than monks with their incessant rolling
Warriors excel at mitigating sustained physical damage and burst magic damage
round hornet
monk and vdh have as much or more mobility
fleet galleon
DH too, that's right
ember arrow
i mean mobility is either quality og life
or when u fuck up
most mechanics can be walked out of
fleet galleon
Well, getting from pack to pack, or picking up new adds etc
ember arrow
my usage of leap is 99% to get to addsquicker
ye but i mean it doesnt affect surv much
fleet galleon
That's what I imagine he's asking
versed heron
I merely asked cause everytime I asked non warrior tanks their opinions on their specialty, they usually say mobility
so I thought I ask here to hear ya thoughts lol
round hornet
also it might be useful to note that rather than saying sustained physical damage its probobly better to say blockable damage? Since theres physical damage that is unblockable
which isn't something warriors deal especially well with
fleet galleon
I didn't think he was asking specifically about survivability. Seemed more generic
ember arrow
warr main weakness is bleeds
that last longer than 12 sec
physical bleeds are usually worse
because they ignore armor
if its blockable we dont feel ANY dmg
versed heron
yeah, I wasn't asking about survivability. more of just a generalization of mobility
fleet galleon
True true. Forging strike is a good example of this
ember arrow
it does poop dmg wit some IP
fleet galleon
Yeah, but you can't cheese it the way you can Foe Breaker though
ember arrow
i just came home from work
70 hours this week
so im here few hours and fun continues
so i didnt follow convo till now
fleet galleon
He was just asking what we think warriors' niche is in terms of tanking
round hornet
the main thing warriors do different than others is they can make big absorb shields.
fleet galleon
And about our mobility
round hornet
blocking is shared with prot paladin, mobility overlaps with monk/dh
fleet galleon
Yeah, I wouldn't bank on my paladin block saving me from death
Plus it mitigates less than warriors too now that we have Bastion
ember arrow
block is pretty unique to warr as main metigation
pala block is like parry is for dk
or dodge for bear
its their bonus passive metigation
versed heron
so, what's the best two legendaries for both single target boss fights and aoe/adds?
ember arrow
depends
u want to do dps or surv
ST dps is gloves/AHR
or gloves/belt
ST surv is wrists/gloves or wrists/TWF wit setcombo or without for more SW
aoe dps is gloves/belt or belt/sephuz
aoe surv is wrists/belt
versed heron
mainly want to survive since I seem to drop when I get hit by something incredibly hard
I'll worry about dps when i git gud
lol
fleet galleon
If you're getting chunked hard that usually means you're not using active mitigation right
ember arrow
played right war doesnt get chunked
fleet galleon
But I'd say bracers and The Walls Fell would be a good combo for you. It's more forgiving since you can use shield wall more to cover big hits/mistakes
fleet galleon
Yeah, it's strong if done right but punishing if you fuck up
versed heron
"If you're getting chunked hard that usually means you're not using active mitigation right"
Yeah pretty much. I've mostly in going in blind, not knowing what I need to use a cd for, and which one I can use shield block/ignore pain. In truth, even though I got the cunning trinket, I've been cautious about using shield wall
but this is why I'm looking up this info now
undone sun
ember arrow
my summon worked
timid jay
I don't do anything here ๐ญ
ember arrow
i said WE
versed heron
yeah, I got shifting cosmic sliver as my trinket
ember arrow
ouch
versed heron
it's pretty good >.>;;
I also have the diima's glacial aegis as well
fleet galleon
Have a look at the trinket guide in the pins
fleet galleon
Diimas is good
undone sun
there are usually better options for every fight over scs
versed heron
i'm sorry Thyme
i didn't mean to offend you D:
I have, and looked at it
there hasn't been any other drops for me other then aegis
but yeah, I've been trying to get some other drops. just hasn't happen
fleet galleon
A good item level haste stat stick will also help. Roll relinquished trinkets for it
versed heron
is scs that bad tho? o.o;;
undone sun
it's not terrible, just there's never a point where it's necessary
especially with the CDR we gain from AM
timid jay
If you use SW in CD its decent for overall EHRPS reduction
fleet galleon
You are using Anger Management right @versed heron
timid jay
But its nothing really good at all
versed heron
@fleet galleon Yes, I am
fleet galleon
Okay good
fleet galleon
What's your second toon?
ember arrow
dk
main pike
second prot warrior
ember arrow
hmm
was thinking of paladin
it so hard because i wanna play allied race
but they cant be pala
fleet galleon
Highmountain Tauren can't but regular tauren can? ๐ค
prisma crane
atm LFD is OP as prot pala