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restive scroll Mar 2, 2018, 6:45 PM

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(Did general random in arcway 19 earlier at 3 people, healer dead, on first cleave)

soft condor Mar 2, 2018, 6:45 PM

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I guess the healer's class might be a thing, wouldn't it? Should be more beneficial when i'm with a druid than... a paladin for example

restive scroll Mar 2, 2018, 6:45 PM

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That too, indeed

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 6:46 PM

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well

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think of it this way

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on some fights

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dropping bracers gives you marginal dps gain

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but bracers are safe and allow your healer to go full dps for a while

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and their dps is going to outweigh your dps gain dropping them

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if the healer just stands there picking their ass then might as well go for more dmg and let them heal you

soft condor Mar 2, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Yes, that is a point

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Thanks for all those inputs

unborn island Mar 2, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Always use them on tyrannical bosses too,I find most pug healers just do nothing if I am using them and don't need heals though

vocal canopy Mar 2, 2018, 7:57 PM

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how good is the trinket Code of the crack world ? as prot warrior

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 7:58 PM

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I never take them off in m+. Even if my healer is a good player, everyone makes a mistake sometimes. If he dies and I have no bracers it’s a wipe usually. If he dies and I have bracers I can live long enough to finish most pulls. Plus if it’s a dungeon where he can feral affinity, his dps is huge provided I don’t need healing.

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You mean riftworld codex?

errant remnant Mar 2, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Good evening. After quite some time I switched back to prot and wanted to ask which of my legendary I should use for m+ and raiding. I have the prot bracers, prot legs, prydaz, soul of the battlelord and archimond's hatred reborn ? 😃

vocal canopy Mar 2, 2018, 7:59 PM

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tank trinket from Portal keeper 😃

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 7:59 PM

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yeah, riftworld codex

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 7:59 PM

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That trinket is incredible on multitarget, not that good on single though

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 7:59 PM

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decent for AoE

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Lol what. If you get a fire buff proc on aoe you’re basically unkillable, if you don’t the healing is still ok

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Obviously the less targets the worse it gets but on high m+ I wear it almost all trash unless it’s a trivial pull where I can put terrorbound back on

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:01 PM

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being a hybrid trinket it doesn't really excel in either categories being offense and defense, there are definitely better options

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:02 PM

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its good when you are swaping trinkets

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both for dps and defence diimas is better option

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:02 PM

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I mean I’d never wear it for a dps build but for survivability on m+ trash it’s better than almost every other trinket I have

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:02 PM

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must not have a lot

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Diima’s only helps against physical damage though, and it’s dps is pretty bad

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:03 PM

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bad what

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nvm mate

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:04 PM

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I mean if you want to do dps Glaives/terrorbound/bombardment are all gonna be miles ahead. If you want a mix of dps and surv it’s okay but rarely is that a thing, most pulls you either want full livelier or full dps

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Livelord*

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:06 PM

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i use codex alot also i think its really good if you pull 3+ adds

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but i think diimas is better then you think

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its cd is lower then other dps trinkets its amazing for kiting %70 slow also its damage gets buffed its better to get the damage like exact

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i also use glaives but generaly i use diimas for full burst in then start kiting

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:08 PM

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The slow is super useful I’ll give you that, since we can’t go full Bdk with DND and kiting

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Usually on kite pulls I can get a full opener off inside leg sweep/double Safeguard before leaping out, but if we don’t have lock then I can see the slow being more value

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:09 PM

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btw with bombatdment if you say trinket from antoran high command glaives damage is actualy higher

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i used them both to compare damage bombardment deals damage faster but glaives was bit higher even with 935 version i had

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:10 PM

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I just don’t value armor that much for trash, doesn’t seem like the scary packs are the ones that do a lot of physical damage. Pulls like the maiden hallway in Lower Kara that does insane magic damage, or stuff like BRH arcane mages are the stuff I’m usually scared of.

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:11 PM

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yeah armor doesnt really matter thats why i hate apocalpyse drive also

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you can kite %90 of adds easily if needed that trinket is generaly waste imo

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:11 PM

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Yeah my bombardment is only 915 so it’s trash and my glaives is 940 but when you’re doing back to back trash pulls you can run both and bombard first, swap to terrorbound, glaives next pull

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:11 PM

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don't forget about shivermaw

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:11 PM

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i swap beetwen glaives and diimas if going for one big pull after another

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:11 PM

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Tfw no Shivermaw 😦

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:12 PM

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shivermaw is great if i could get my hands on one

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even 910 from relinquished

stiff gate Mar 2, 2018, 8:13 PM

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I also really prefer healing to damage reduction if I’m not getting one shot, means my healer can leave me alone and press swipe to his hearts content. With dr I maybe less spiky and die slower but would need more trickle heals

frank obsidian Mar 2, 2018, 8:14 PM

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This is just broken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6f0SG9ECgQ

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Spell reflect too OP

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:17 PM

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about a question I had earlier, do you prefer riftworld codex or stat sticks for M+ (defensively)

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riftworld codex

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:19 PM

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aoe vs. st

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codex aoe, stick st

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:19 PM

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well he said m+ i just thought about aoe

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I used one yesterday over the entire instance and it contributed like 15ish% of total healing

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and I assumed IP would scale with strength rather directly, so I'd get more IP for the rage spent, and wondered how those would measure up

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:20 PM

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yeah it's not as good for us as it is for say a monk or dk but it's not terrible for aoe

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:20 PM

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seeing as a stat stick with haste also gives me more rage to convert

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k

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Ignore pain scales off AP and verse, so it does

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:21 PM

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ye, not sure how much of AP comes from strength as opposed to other things

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actually my AP and strength shows identical numbers...

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oh, it's different in prot spec

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wait, that's mastery

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isn't it

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:22 PM

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mastery does contribute to AP, yes

sick sentinel Mar 2, 2018, 8:22 PM

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ye, my stats fool me

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so 10% more strength is 10% bigger IP

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:27 PM

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I doubt it's that simple

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Especially because as Thyme just said, mastery and vers affect your IP as well. Mastery from an AP point of view, and vers is % increase. IIRC, IP is some % AP + % vers

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AP being a combo of strength and mastery

sand trout Mar 2, 2018, 8:34 PM

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What's thehard haste cap? Thepoint where just now hate is an issue?

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:34 PM

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117%

sand trout Mar 2, 2018, 8:39 PM

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...seriously?

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:40 PM

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iirc it's for 100% SB uptime with AM, 100% is gcd cap but essentially there's no haste cap to worry about, it's unreachable in realistic scenarios

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there are breakpoints that came with t21 2pc but again aren't really worth prioritizing

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being 25% and 55%

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 8:44 PM

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i love the 117% answer

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it's both accurate and lets people realize how pointless super haste stacking alone is

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:45 PM

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yup

sand trout Mar 2, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Considering all three specs need haste

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:47 PM

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It's hard to not come off as trolling when you say 117% though haha

timid jay Mar 2, 2018, 8:48 PM

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That is the cap though

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 8:48 PM

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yea, but anyone who knows what 13/6 is with respect to haste knows you're not 😉

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Not everyone will make that association though.

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 8:49 PM

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i mean, 117 is troll though, the real cap is a whole 1/3rd % less than that

modest crest Mar 2, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Speaking of m+ trinkets so riftworld is good for trash and I like diima too. But I thought we said the pantheon trinket is always solid now especially since mine is like 980

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 8:49 PM

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it is, but if you have something like a high shivermaws, you can achieve larger burst

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:49 PM

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yeah, considering how much strength it has at such ilevel it's hard to pass up

modest crest Mar 2, 2018, 8:49 PM

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So do you just swap out in between fights when a cooldown is waiting and leave one always on?

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Diimas is no good against a pack of casters though

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In terms of defence

sand trout Mar 2, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Which bosses on ant would be best for defensive trinkets and which ones van i get away with using dps ones on

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:50 PM

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that's entirely subjective based on comfortability

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 8:50 PM

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i like that Diima's has a large range and is instant dmg

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Up to your comfort level and difficulty you're running

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 8:51 PM

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and with vers procs up, it hits pretty damn hard

modest crest Mar 2, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Don’t have a shivermaw but I have all the antorus ones. So I should leave my pantheon on and then swap out to another as it fits the fight (magic vs melee) or if one has a long cooldown active?

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:51 PM

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I haven't used mine since I got it last week but I think it'll see a lot more use this weekend

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 8:51 PM

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i mean, if you're going for dmg, you dont really care that much about magic vs melee

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my big crits with Diima's in raid is around 2.6-2.7m

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minimum 1.9m

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:53 PM

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I swapped to terrorbound nexus when glaives are on cd. Now I have Diimas though so probably won't be using the Nexus much

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I've been trying hard for a high level Shivermaw's though. The combo seems insane

modest crest Mar 2, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Isn’t riftworld codex triggered by taking dmg? Anyone know the proc rate?

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:56 PM

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It is. Idk the proc rate off hand though

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:56 PM

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yes and 3rppm per portal

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speculated*

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:57 PM

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RPPM means it's modified by haste, yeah?

modest crest Mar 2, 2018, 8:58 PM

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I haven’t used it yet since I had it but I thought I saw above where someone said it’s good for dmg too? I thought it healed or absorbed

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:59 PM

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1 proc does damage but not a lot

undone sun Mar 2, 2018, 8:59 PM

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three portals, 1 heal, 1 absorb and 1 aoe that also heals based on damage done

old zephyr Mar 2, 2018, 8:59 PM

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There is à flame portal that deal AoE Damages and heal you of some amount of them

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Not more than dedicated damage trinkets obviously

old zephyr Mar 2, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Prot war already deal loads of dmgs

modest crest Mar 2, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Gotcha. May play around with it some. I just get used to running with certain ones that perform well for me. Having all these options sometimes just complicates things lol

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Most trinkets are very situational so if you know where they excel and can utilize them accordingly, it becomes much easier

soft condor Mar 2, 2018, 9:51 PM

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IP scales linear with strength. Any multipliert to your strength is the same multiplier to your IP

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on 100k strength, 1k strength would give you 1% more strength and thus 1% more IP compared to not having the 1k strength

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all other effects on IP are multipliers as well, so you can insert your strength multiplier anywhere in the equation without changing anything

feral acorn Mar 2, 2018, 10:29 PM

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so i just started tankin and i dont really understand the rankin of trinkets and how i should be evaluating them

round hornet Mar 2, 2018, 10:35 PM

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if you look at the pins theres a cool guide on defensive trinkets you can read to better understand in which situations different trinkets become more valuable

acoustic barn Mar 2, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Fuck this mage tower 😦

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Gotten my ass kicked so many times now

smoky garnet Mar 2, 2018, 10:40 PM

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@timid jay im chasing your ass now

feral acorn Mar 2, 2018, 10:41 PM

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i been reading i just dont really understand it LOL

timid jay Mar 2, 2018, 10:41 PM

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monkaS

round hornet Mar 2, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Well, what do you not understand about how it is explained in that guide?

junior ivy Mar 2, 2018, 10:50 PM

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you can use the pantheon trinket with dimas. or apoc drive is alright too

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thats all i know about trinkets

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i use pantheon + dimas in every single situation

languid rose Mar 2, 2018, 10:51 PM

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still haven't seen a diima's or apoc drive drop 😦

junior ivy Mar 2, 2018, 10:53 PM

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im farming a TF'ed dimas right now

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i got 945 one

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id like to get 960 or soemthing

languid rose Mar 2, 2018, 10:53 PM

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got 960 eye and codex

astral swan Mar 2, 2018, 11:25 PM

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how is the tanking pantheon trinket?

analog stirrup Mar 2, 2018, 11:28 PM

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My guild just downed eonar, and we will be moving on to portal keeper mythic next any tips, i have read the guides and watched vids, im just asking from expierence any tips

oblique pike Mar 2, 2018, 11:30 PM

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pantheon is basically a vers stat stick. if ur in raid wear it for the guild

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but its not bad to bein with. if ur not in antorus it basically functions as a statstick of the same ilvl

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so if yours is 1000, its probably one of your better

round hornet Mar 2, 2018, 11:32 PM

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1k ilvl panth is so much str 😄

oblique pike Mar 2, 2018, 11:33 PM

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his might not be 1000 which is why i dont say definitively... like my dk has a 985 shivermaw so in m+ im using it and diima over pantheon trinket even though ita 1000 ilvl

unborn island Mar 2, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Managed a 22 Cos in time,felt good when everyone at the start was like , oh no,prot warrior

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 11:43 PM

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@analog stirrup just know that she melees pretty hard and the dot hurts beyond 2 stacks

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if you guys want to 3 tank it sometimes makes things easier

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but the fight is more on the dps to kill shit fast enough and to move fires to the right spots

analog stirrup Mar 2, 2018, 11:43 PM

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we were planning on 3 tanking at first, two stay and one does portals

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 11:43 PM

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and of course dodging the blasts while interupting imps

analog stirrup Mar 2, 2018, 11:44 PM

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thank you @prisma crane

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 11:45 PM

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yup, dont be afraid to use CDs whenever you feel unsafe, particularly when ppl move out of the purple explosion thing

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there's nothing specific that's rough apart from high stacks, we had shit luck last night when we decided to clear the 2 bosses we left from last wk, i ended up with 5 stacks, was a bit painful lol

fleet galleon Mar 2, 2018, 11:46 PM

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That sounds insanely painful. Can you BoP the stacks off?

prisma crane Mar 2, 2018, 11:48 PM

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no

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i shouldnt say shit luck

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one idiot with a poison thing for the fire add died

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so we had to wait for a backup to show up

astral swan Mar 2, 2018, 11:56 PM

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@oblique pike mine is 940, so nothing fancy

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got a 935 djima and 930 smoldering

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which two should i use?

oblique pike Mar 2, 2018, 11:59 PM

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smoldering generally bad unless you have a specific use for it

cloud bone Mar 3, 2018, 12:40 AM

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For dps leggos we want to use the belt and the gloves right?

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 12:42 AM

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yes

cloud bone Mar 3, 2018, 12:42 AM

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cool thanks 😄

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 12:57 AM

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anyone here with Argus M experience? I'm looking for some advise on how many stacks to taunt swap etc. I've been seeing a lot of different things in logs/videos for p1 and p2, so was wondering if it is a preference thing that tanks just have to figure out themselves or if there is a recommended strat

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p3 seems to be a bit more standardized across different kills from what I've seen

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 12:58 AM

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really just depends on strat, in p1 we went 1>3>3>3>3>etc. P2 swapped at 2 and p3 obviously the die on 5th

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 12:59 AM

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Why 3? 2 Is more than enough time to let stacks drop off

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Stat orbs?

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 12:59 AM

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ye I've seen quite a few people do 1-3-2-2-2-etc

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 12:59 AM

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mostly yeah, easier to manage timings

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 12:59 AM

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just to make first 2 orbs line up

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 1:00 AM

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plus it was me and paladin so SB/SoTR charges

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 1:00 AM

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aight

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 1:00 AM

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and in p2 2stacks just works out for the avatar buff?

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 1:01 AM

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yeah, first avatar is based on threat and the timings are just ring to allow for an easy switch at 2

naive pendant Mar 3, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Anyone here have any tips for M Imonar? My team wants me to clear every other stack of 4 shrapnel mines as well as clear a decent portion of the bridge during all crossings

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Looking at logs from people who are struggling on imonar from my view people clear way too much

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Especially on platforms

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We dont clear anything on the second platform unless its really needed

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You dont get any bombs there the second time around so you dont need that much space

naive pendant Mar 3, 2018, 1:08 AM

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ty cosmo. i'm aware that some groups dont clear red mines at all. 4 stacks of a physical bleed super painful

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i'm running bracers and gloves. anyone have an opinion about bracers and the walls fell?

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 1:10 AM

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gloves will be slightly more rage, but you're gonna prob use SW a lot in that fight

naive pendant Mar 3, 2018, 1:10 AM

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i think my team just needs better movement. we get about 15-17 stacks of his channeling increase

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i'm lining up demo shout for when i need to clear the mines

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6 heals and i still sometimes die

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 1:11 AM

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Demo does nothing for mines

naive pendant Mar 3, 2018, 1:12 AM

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oh it does count as imonar's damge?

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doesn't*

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 1:12 AM

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I dont think they do

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 1:12 AM

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environmental

naive pendant Mar 3, 2018, 1:12 AM

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ty krotos, i'll try different combos

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ok

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 1:12 AM

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Bracers help a lot if you do clear the Dot mines

naive pendant Mar 3, 2018, 1:12 AM

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well i guess i'll have one SW for the first clear on each platform

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 1:13 AM

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I always question why people feel the need to clear so many bombs on the platforms 🤔

naive pendant Mar 3, 2018, 1:13 AM

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ty thyme. i guess just save demo shout for a string of shield slams for more rage

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and active tanking

astral swan Mar 3, 2018, 1:42 AM

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@oblique pike ill use the two others then, thanks 😃

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 2:00 AM

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Anyone ever run indomnitable in dungeons, or is it just kinda like
no

fleet galleon Mar 3, 2018, 2:00 AM

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No

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 2:00 AM

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Just curious, +20 hyrja was nearly killiing me through SR and AHR

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I guess the key word here is nearly

tawny crown Mar 3, 2018, 2:18 AM

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Solod +18 first boss

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📎 unknown.png

oak laurel Mar 3, 2018, 2:36 AM

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noiceee

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 3:18 AM

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what dungeon ikjs that

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why doesnt it look familiar

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nm its NL

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 3:45 AM

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For prot mage tower, whats the minimum health reduced debuffs you want to have?

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 3:49 AM

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for the challenge, should I use 930 chrono shard, 945 Forgfiend's Fireguard, or 930 smoldering titanguard?

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 3:50 AM

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@lime steeple ~4-5 depending on comfort
@jade thorn probably chrono

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Yeah I almost had him that try, though no reflect for debuff that he casted on me.

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So his health just shot up

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 3:52 AM

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so smoldering and chrono?

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 3:53 AM

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the other two aren't particularly great for the challenge, smoldering might save you if you mess up the debuff or extra annihilate stacks in P2 but otherwise nothing spectacular and forgfiend's doesn't do a whole lot of damage after the nerf

copper ridge Mar 3, 2018, 3:56 AM

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so i have a 940 relic, with bastion of aspects in 3rd tier of nether crusible.... or a 955 with master of shadows in 2nd tier. neither have anything good for original trait

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 3:57 AM

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i assume the 955 doesn't have bastion?

copper ridge Mar 3, 2018, 3:57 AM

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nope

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or training shield

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its will to survive

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 3:58 AM

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so I just have poor trinkets? fantastic

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 3:58 AM

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at least for the challenge, both phases are more of a dps race @jade thorn

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 4:00 AM

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hmmm... I have saved some other trinkets in case...

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915 void stalker's contract, 915 Ember of nullification, 910 orb of torment, 910terrorbound nexus, 915 fel-oiled infernal machine

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none of those seem too great tbh

copper ridge Mar 3, 2018, 4:02 AM

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you think i should take ilvl over bastion?

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 4:02 AM

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never

copper ridge Mar 3, 2018, 4:03 AM

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not even 15ilvl

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 4:03 AM

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no

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i wouldn't take 50 ilvl

fleet galleon Mar 3, 2018, 4:03 AM

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Not defensively

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Worth any amount of ilvl for defense

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 4:03 AM

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if a relic doesn't have/roll bastion i dont put it in my prot weapon lol

copper ridge Mar 3, 2018, 4:04 AM

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kk cool lol

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 4:08 AM

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cuntttttt

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4.6m hp left and annih killed me

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D:

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 4:10 AM

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i wasn't that close, but I was close

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Might of got it if i used last stand.

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 4:13 AM

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that was embarrasing... mouse stopped working and I ran off the edge

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 4:16 AM

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I either get really good attempts or extremely shit ones. Never in between

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 4:18 AM

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ther is no in between

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 4:20 AM

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And

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again

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4m hp but he gets the buff on him so he heals back up to like 35%

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so mad

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 4:27 AM

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going ot be so happy when he's dead

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 4:29 AM

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fel oiled infernal machine might honestly be pretty good

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for burst dps

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 4:30 AM

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i did it

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 4:30 AM

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but guess prot war doesnt really do much ST burst dps nowadays

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 4:30 AM

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holy fuck

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 4:30 AM

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gz

lime steeple Mar 3, 2018, 4:31 AM

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shockwave. you fucking beautiful saviour

languid rose Mar 3, 2018, 5:04 AM

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Oromis do you not have t21?

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 5:23 AM

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was in maw +19. attempteds first boss, died, realized i only had one legendary on lol

pearl jetty Mar 3, 2018, 5:32 AM

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is there a certain haste point you want as prot or do you just keep stacking?

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Just keep stacking. There are breakpoints if you have 2pc T21 but they don't devalue haste if you pass them

pearl jetty Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 AM

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bet thanks

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Just make sure ilevel still takes priority over haste

pearl jetty Mar 3, 2018, 5:34 AM

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ya I just got the leggo ring and with it I have 31% haste (don't have gloves or belt yet)

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Sounds fine to me. I have around 30% as well.

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 5:52 AM

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only got 2pc t21

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the battle cry shield slam is nice for burst, but it's not like a dh, or maybe my warrior alt is still just too undergeared to do good dmg

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 5:53 AM

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prot warrior damage is one of the highest on ST, but so is DH tank

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 AM

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I was talking about st burst, how does that compare? like I said, my warrior is only an alt so dont have too indepth knowledge

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responding to a 1hr old question :<

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 5:54 AM

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prot warriors have really high st burst, with BV, bc ss spam

night imp Mar 3, 2018, 5:57 AM

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fair enough

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back when I did my mage tower about a month ago it felt pretty poor, but iirc I didnt have 2pc t21 yet back then

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compared to my DH I couldnt nearly burst as much on the first debuff

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but the BC SS spam is indeed pretty strong

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probably would have made that challenge a lot less of a hassle

misty merlin Mar 3, 2018, 7:11 AM

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4pc or ilvl for m+?

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just doing a 16

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im thinking ilvl gear just for dps

formal abyss Mar 3, 2018, 7:45 AM

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👋 so I just got the 2pc t21 and I have some questions about tanking trash in m+. Am I supposed to focus SS over anything else during BC for the rage? also is there a number of targets where its better to prioritize revenge or thunder clap?

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Well, TC and Revenge both have CDs, and I'm pretty sure that beyond like 2 mobs, Revenge and TC are going to do more than an SS. The only time I really prioritize SS over the other two is on ST

formal abyss Mar 3, 2018, 7:47 AM

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alright

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so don't aim for 5 SS during the BC window then if i'm tanking aoe

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Nah, if TC and Revenge are on CD, you might as well, but don't feel bad about using them over SS

formal abyss Mar 3, 2018, 7:47 AM

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👌

little rain Mar 3, 2018, 7:48 AM

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https://clips.twitch.tv/ArtsyReliableKittenTakeNRG
https://clips.twitch.tv/ArborealOriginalAntStoneLightning

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Prot war master class

formal abyss Mar 3, 2018, 7:50 AM

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nicely done

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 7:59 AM

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On aoe bc you want to prioritise Rev > tc > ss in general it’ll go bc+Rev>tc>Rev>ss>Rev that way you get the max amount of aoe damage in the 5 gcds @formal abyss

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If you need rage due to being in threat of dying, then you just ss and spam IP

formal abyss Mar 3, 2018, 8:06 AM

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perfect thanks 😄

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 8:21 AM

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Officially have zero crit aside from my artifact weapon. 7.58% :p

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Just got nice 955 haste>mast pants to replace 955 crit>haste pants

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I'm pretty happy with that

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restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 8:34 AM

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@misty merlin either is fine. I usually equip the 4P only on "big" packs

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(as always, depending on your gear and ease with the spec)

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In tyranical weeks, i guess 2P is more than enough on most fights

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@warm plinth sweet stats *-*

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 8:41 AM

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Thanks 😄

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 8:43 AM

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stick stat trinket to have that much hast?

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 8:43 AM

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nearly no crit dream stats

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 8:43 AM

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Yeah like it's impossible for me to have lower crit than that without purposely putting shitty relics in my artifact XD

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I have one 915 haste stick with a socket. Without it I have 32.08% haste

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Other trink is a 940 chrono shard

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 8:45 AM

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so only one stick, guess you had good proc on your gear :p

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 8:45 AM

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yeah only one of my haste items has lower haste than the other stat

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But I still have some pieces that don't have haste at all

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 8:59 AM

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may i get an armory link by curiosity?

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And i change gear myself so much that i don't look that much at my stat (only doing mm+, so switching a lot legendaries)

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 9:00 AM

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Sure, it's probably not updated but it might be

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https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/aerie-peak/Stonehearth @restive scroll

World of Warcraft

Stonehearth - WoW

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Yeah it doesn't have my haste stick on or my new leggings

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 9:11 AM

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pretty nice indeed :)

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 9:14 AM

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Thanks

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 9:22 AM

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chronoshard - lul

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i got u Worldcrusher ! 😃

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Leave my chrono shard alone 😭

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 9:23 AM

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u were the one complaining! 😛

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just jokin, anyways

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Nah I'm fine with it. I just don't think it's that great of a trinket haha; would definitely much rather have a 940 haste stick for sure

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 9:25 AM

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please mog

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 9:25 AM

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😃

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 9:26 AM

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I'm colorblind x_x Even if I did try to, it would look like shit anyway

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 9:30 AM

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will with that attitude!

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 9:32 AM

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lol

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 9:46 AM

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sometimes its just the weaponchoice makin a mog lookin good or bad

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📎 WoWScrnShot_030318_103459.jpg

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that glyphmogs tho 😄

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 9:48 AM

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I need to just go buy a pvp set or finish the chromie scenario on this toon

spark hamlet Mar 3, 2018, 10:29 AM

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i think the rng gods hate me i cant get the belt to drop for me just got the legs

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 10:53 AM

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can you block the maw thing on felhounds?

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Or is it like stack IP time?

warm plinth Mar 3, 2018, 10:55 AM

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You can block it.

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Check pins for the block/reflect spreadsheet. It's very helpful.

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 10:56 AM

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@warm plinth : ty

old zephyr Mar 3, 2018, 11:16 AM

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You can Block thé initial hit, but not thé dot that follows

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 11:26 AM

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Was dying from initial hit like a piece of paper

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 11:36 AM

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your goal in dogs should be to block every maw

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if you dont have shield block up you can nelths fury

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Is there a way to ask to add some stuff on the refllect list? It's pretty neat for bosses, but it's missing a lot of nice trashs reflects

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 1:47 PM

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Thyme is the one maintaining that spreadsheet, could throw him a pm about it

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 2:24 PM

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Thank you, i'll do that when i get some time :)

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 2:56 PM

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I don't get how wcl calculates the decimal %

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Got a rank 6 on NM dogs but 99.7%...6/23k, doesn't make sense?

white goblet Mar 3, 2018, 3:21 PM

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what's the difference in tanking aggramar on hero?

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did it only on norm

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 3:24 PM

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The main difference is with the adds, not really a tanking thing thouhg

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For tanks its just more damage

unique echo Mar 3, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Hey all, sorry for the likely stupid question. Was looking through the tanking trinkets sheet and I understand the pantheon trinket isn't that strong.. would it still be a better pick than a darkmoon deck for tanking? or darkmoon>panth?

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 4:00 PM

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what ilvl is the pantheon trinket

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Pantheon is mostly a boost to your raids performance

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Since you'll run at max 2 tanking pantheon trinkets it'll give your raid a lot of extra empowers, meaning higher dps and hps

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Pantheon trinket is not that great defensively but for your raids its really strong

unique echo Mar 3, 2018, 4:02 PM

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panth currently 950

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so darkmoon for mythics, panth for raids?

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I have a 930 diima's, which I assume won't be swapped for either

celest portal Mar 3, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Deleted cause I decided to not be an idiot and look at the pins

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 4:47 PM

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I just fucking did it!!! Hell yeah!

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Fuck you, Velen.

dark junco Mar 3, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Lol

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Shit healer, shit dps

dark junco Mar 3, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Grats

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 4:47 PM

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@Medrawr would recommend darkmoon for mythics either tho

jade thorn Mar 3, 2018, 4:47 PM

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thanks

dark junco Mar 3, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Well he gives orbs at least

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 4:55 PM

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DMD used to be a fairly strong phy.dr trinket for raid progress last tiers, but its getting outvalued by the alternatives pretty hard

fair vine Mar 3, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Can anyone recommend a WA for Prot?

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Pantheon is still an doable option m+, simple through the fact its an big ilvl vers statstick

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 4:58 PM

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@fair vine There are a few WA's in #ui-addons-manager pins

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 4:58 PM

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there's also just not a lot of fights in antorus that fit the style that dmd strives in, consistant physical damage, AHC and Maybe aggramar but apoc drive is miles better for agg

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Most of them are preference, depends on your UI setup

fair vine Mar 3, 2018, 4:58 PM

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My bad I looked in the pins for only this channel

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Btw do armor modifiers effect DMD for prots?

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I know they fixed that for guardian somewhere early NH or so

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 5:04 PM

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not that i know of, if at all not nearly as bad as it is for guardian

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 5:08 PM

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why woudl i keepo pulling aggro off a palluy tank in heroic agramar pug?

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hes getting so mad at me

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😦

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 5:09 PM

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rememberin smth. about not taking trinketslots into account for multipliers anymore🤔 just not sure if it was for all classes

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Tell him hes not using his taunt window properly @junior ivy

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 5:12 PM

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i died to foe breaker caus ei had like 13 stacks

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 5:12 PM

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All his fault!😁

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 5:12 PM

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casue he taunted but i got aggro right backj

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 5:15 PM

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@junior ivy most other tanks get butthurt when you tell them youre a threat machine..until you point out that you're doing twice their dps

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 5:15 PM

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The moment when ur co-tank is a prot and u realize ur dmg. is shitty as fck ....😁

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Yea..had that discussion with a BDK last week. Even had to show him logs that i didnt taunt

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We had a nice talk about t21 2p and vers. proccs :slight_smile:

vital fulcrum Mar 3, 2018, 5:25 PM

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hi guys newbie prot warr here

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do i have to keep both my shield block and ignore pain up as much as i can?

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i know that shield block, block mele attacks and ignore just ignores the pain basically

novel temple Mar 3, 2018, 5:26 PM

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JokeZ#7937 wait

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Did the battle cry glyph cause that look @sick sentinel

vital fulcrum Mar 3, 2018, 5:27 PM

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but if im doing a big pull what is my priority

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 5:28 PM

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ideally you want SB as much as possible while also for blockable abilities, as our active mitigation it's key to have it up while tanking

novel temple Mar 3, 2018, 5:29 PM

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@sick sentinel did the battle cry glyph cause that?

vital fulcrum Mar 3, 2018, 5:30 PM

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ya i understan, i usually charge and sb instantly

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just making sure im not doing something wrong

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 5:31 PM

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@novel temple yeah .. but for stromkar on prot u need some extended testing ^^

novel temple Mar 3, 2018, 5:31 PM

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@sick sentinel pm me that testing!

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 5:31 PM

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the outcomes of that glyphmogs + specc swapping kinda hillarious

novel temple Mar 3, 2018, 5:32 PM

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I just want a 2h weapon look while tanking

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 5:32 PM

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it even buggs ur appearance so u have to reset through phasing sometimes

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sure ill give u, np

quiet delta Mar 3, 2018, 6:27 PM

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light's speed vs refractive shields for survival?

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 7:03 PM

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im not sure about refractive shields proc but haste is better

minor glen Mar 3, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Hey guys, at what ilvl difference do you start swapping out your 4pc T20 for T21? I have 4 pieces of T20 sitting at 915i ilvl, with a mythic 930 helm and 950 gloves.

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 7:14 PM

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if you dont need defense anymore you can swap

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combo is great but not needed

minor glen Mar 3, 2018, 7:17 PM

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But from a survival standpoint it's still the best combo right? Even with the much lower ilvl? I mean my T21 pieces are like 30 ilvls each above the T20. So I don't know if the ilvl increase outweighs the bonus from T20.

zealous ore Mar 3, 2018, 7:17 PM

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@undone sun bot. WIth T21 and not swimming in rage, is vengeance/SotB any good again or nah?

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Let's try Thymes' wondrous helper @timid jay

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Wut

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 7:19 PM

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not really, the gcd lock t21 puts you in makes it so you can't weave properly

zealous ore Mar 3, 2018, 7:20 PM

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AIght

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I guess its still useless under BC

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Makes sense

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 7:21 PM

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@minor glen if you have 30 ilvl higher t21 I’d definitely ditch t20. The raw stamina/armor/increase in stat budget will be better for overall surv unless you really want the rage for cdr for something specific

minor glen Mar 3, 2018, 7:23 PM

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So if you do switch out to T21 4pc, does your lego selection change from Walls Fell / Belt to something else? Like the hands / belt or some other combo.

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and thx Mgll

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Gloves+bracers

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Thats the standard defensive setup with t21

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Gloves are stronger than TWF, its just that the tier combo takes all slots so you can use gloves.

minor glen Mar 3, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Thank you

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 7:29 PM

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how does golganeth adds work?

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on coven heroic

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i probably shouldnt be asking after we just wiped to it and should have known bvefore going into the fight but oh well

zealous ore Mar 3, 2018, 7:33 PM

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they zap people who stand on other people

hollow tundra Mar 3, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Guys, is there any raidleader around here to answer an OT question?

vocal nimbus Mar 3, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I've had my share of raidleading

hollow tundra Mar 3, 2018, 7:53 PM

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okey

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I'm just going to lay this one out there, don't think I'm retarded because of it lol.

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Is disc priests barrier stackable?

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Like 25+25=50% damage reduction?

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Even if they'd stack, stacking DR's dont work that way

hollow tundra Mar 3, 2018, 7:55 PM

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So on lets say Imonar

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It's pointless to blow both barriers when crossing 2nd/4th bridge?

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Is the cooldown even short enough that you get it up for the 4th cross if you use it on the 2nd?

blazing dune Mar 3, 2018, 8:00 PM

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I think they might stack, but it's multiplicative rather than additive, so it would be 0.25+(0.25x0.25) for 31.25% damage reduction

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 8:05 PM

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That’s not how multiplicative drs stack either haha

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Unless my math is wrong its 43.75% Dr

1-(1-0.25)(1-0.25)=0.4375

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 8:14 PM

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👍

hidden kindle Mar 3, 2018, 8:18 PM

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what trinkets do you guys usually run in high m+?

hollow tundra Mar 3, 2018, 8:18 PM

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Sorry

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Been AFk

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But okey, so they might stack

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but "only" giving 43.75% reduction @timid jay

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 8:19 PM

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@hidden kindle dps trinket usually, like memento / horn of valor, since i don't have better

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 8:19 PM

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never had 2 disc priests to check if they stack

hidden kindle Mar 3, 2018, 8:19 PM

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even in 22-23 keys?

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Maybe try focused will? They should know

ember arrow Mar 3, 2018, 8:20 PM

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@hidden kindle 22 23 no need for def ones

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 8:20 PM

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Pug have been rough to find, but the EOA 23 i did last week with those, maybe with pantheon trinket, and i didn't had much trouble.

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(you know, beside my group ! )

hidden kindle Mar 3, 2018, 8:20 PM

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alright thanks

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 8:21 PM

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You can always take a tank trinket like agrammars one for some bosses though, if you need the extra defense

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i just never felt like i needed it so far

blazing dune Mar 3, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Wops, wrong math thanks @timid jay blobcatsweats

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 8:22 PM

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np 👌

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 8:28 PM

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sup my pplz

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Just did a 23 BRH. Smashspite is such a mess

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So much green

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 8:29 PM

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it does eventually clear

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but it turns into a clusterfuck

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Yeah

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 8:29 PM

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is it still bugged, last time i did BRH you couldn't see the lines from the bats

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 8:29 PM

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i havent been able to see the lines in a while

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:30 PM

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No lines, just a debuff

restive scroll Mar 3, 2018, 8:30 PM

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didn't see all of them last week

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Wiped us like 6 times.

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 8:30 PM

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that sucks

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 8:30 PM

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at least if you run him with a havoc DH you only have to worry about the aoe he does, the rest isnt bad

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Key was already dead because we had a lock who chain wiped us on ilysanna

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I say chain, it was twice

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Trash was fine though :)

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Can DH soak every one?

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 8:32 PM

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blade dance dodges it

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 8:32 PM

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yea

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unlimited stacks

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blade dance is super OP

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 8:32 PM

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feral druids can shift out to bear or something and soak every single one too, although warrior tanks should be able to soak a few regardless

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:32 PM

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Ah nice

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 8:33 PM

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yea we can take quite a few

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Soaking like wasn't the issue

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Combination of green+the aoe

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 8:34 PM

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yea

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Although green makes soaking hard

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Also,why does he never use brutal haymaker

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Healer asked how I would

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But honestly never seen it?

fleet galleon Mar 3, 2018, 8:37 PM

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He does it when he gets full energy. And I think he gets more energy the harder autoattacks hit you

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But his other abilities also cost energy so if you mitigate well, he never does it.

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 8:37 PM

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So block + up means no energy

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Ip*

fleet galleon Mar 3, 2018, 8:38 PM

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I'm fairly certain that's how it works but you may want to check with more experienced players

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Well, he gets some energy even through IP

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Cos 90% absorb

deft sapphire Mar 3, 2018, 8:38 PM

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yeah his energy bar build up based on how much damage he deals to you with melee attacks

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because warrior has a lot of mitigation, he barely gains energy

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if you play something like bdk where they take a lot more damage then retroactively heal he will get much more energy

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things like that, or cenarius spear are a bit of a middle finger to blood dks haha

fleet galleon Mar 3, 2018, 8:40 PM

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I forget what the deal was with that Spear

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Bigger puddle based on damage taken right?

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 8:41 PM

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yeah

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even blockable too

fleet galleon Mar 3, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Right

final mist Mar 3, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Warriors were super OP for that

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Casual guaranteed Crit Block, nbd

undone sun Mar 3, 2018, 9:00 PM

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yup

delicate urchin Mar 3, 2018, 9:14 PM

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what boss u was talking about?

ember arrow Mar 3, 2018, 9:16 PM

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smashpite the hateful

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brh

delicate urchin Mar 3, 2018, 9:16 PM

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3rd boss?

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ah i see, ok thx

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 9:38 PM

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ive soloed smashpite even oin tyrannical soo many times

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its one of the easiest bosses to me

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like it seems like every time i do brh, the dps and healers seem to die

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Yeah, absolutely no way I could've done that on 23 :)

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 9:42 PM

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oh hahah didnt know it was such a high key

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i havent doen it above +16

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 9:46 PM

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They die if you don't soak the charge well

junior ivy Mar 3, 2018, 9:49 PM

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oih i didnt ,know there was anyhting to soak

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 9:51 PM

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his charge

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Was the first 23 I've done, and ho nestly it felt much harder even than the 22s. Idk what 28 must be like

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 9:53 PM

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10% more hp and dmg

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the 28 would be 61% more health and damage than the 23

trim ginkgo Mar 3, 2018, 9:57 PM

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can anybody teach me how to play wow?

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 9:58 PM

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No need to post in every channel 🤔

sharp fern Mar 3, 2018, 9:59 PM

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🤔

timid jay Mar 3, 2018, 9:59 PM

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As for more specific warrior guides there are pinned guides in ever spec channel

languid rose Mar 3, 2018, 10:13 PM

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how to play wow? just make a female character and go to goldshire

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 10:13 PM

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i dont think anyone go +28 high in tyranical weeks

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bosses becomes nearly impossible to survive simply

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and in fortified weeks +28 boss is like +25 tyranical which is also really hard 😄

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 10:15 PM

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I guess

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It's 10% harder,but it compounds,right. So of my 22 is (say)650% increased damage,23 is 715?

sick sentinel Mar 3, 2018, 10:16 PM

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tbh not every boss in tyranical high keys is super hard

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i think that %15 damage increase is in top

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like its %715 harder + %15

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but every +1 key is like %10 harder

ember arrow Mar 3, 2018, 10:44 PM

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tyr arent hard for tanks usually

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but for dps 😄

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usually oneshot issues

willow lotus Mar 3, 2018, 10:49 PM

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5 Prot Wars for +22 Hyrja

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Lol

unborn island Mar 3, 2018, 10:50 PM

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It's mutltiplicative isn't it? So 715%×1.15? And 715×1.4 on hp. They take ages to kill with like 1.1bn hp

prisma crane Mar 3, 2018, 11:08 PM

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it's multaplicative

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multiplicative*

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and yea, two keys have been done on time at 27 tyrannical

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last boss in CoS had 1.9b hp

proven sandal Mar 3, 2018, 11:35 PM

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Couple questions on pushing DPS. Gloves and Belt for most things non single target, is there a better leggo combo for single target? And running Belt, BV and 2p 21 should I be waiting a few seconds on BC for Demo to come up? Or just mash them on CD?

fleet galleon Mar 3, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Only thing potentially better for pure single target dps is AHR if you can completely utilize the absorb effect.

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And I wouldn't hold BC more than a second or two. It comes back up so fast

proven sandal Mar 3, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Things like aggramar, or any ST where I can get a full bubble break every CD of the trinket. Cool.

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Yeah, I've been trying to be better about not dumping my rage during a BC so I can make BC come up faster

languid rose Mar 3, 2018, 11:39 PM

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using rage during still lowers the cd

proven sandal Mar 3, 2018, 11:39 PM

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Ah, I thought the buff had to fall off first. Good to know.

fleet galleon Mar 3, 2018, 11:39 PM

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Idk if you can on Aggramar but try it out and see what works for you

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No, it goes on CD as soon as used so any rage consumed will start lowering it

proven sandal Mar 3, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Thanks guys, we have what we do on farm so its time to start the DPS races for the next couple months.

upper spoke Mar 3, 2018, 11:57 PM

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yah sometimes even IP capped I dump rage just to refresh cooldowns

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using certain talents and tier

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on an unrelated note: except access to allied races, what reason is there to prepurchase BFA?

dusty tangle Mar 3, 2018, 11:59 PM

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Boost

upper spoke Mar 4, 2018, 12:01 AM

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eh no interest

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but yeah

proud harbor Mar 4, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Does prot warr need a lot of external healing for +15-20 keys? I mained blood so I'm used to self healing damage

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 12:32 AM

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depends if you use bracers or not

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our toolkit is about preventing as much damage as you can, bracers help with recovery

unborn island Mar 4, 2018, 12:58 AM

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@proven sandal the leggos ring from Argus is good if you manage to get 3xttw/3xshadowbind relics

merry cave Mar 4, 2018, 2:19 AM

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Hey guys simple question, my block says 44% redux, so 88% on a crit block. Is the 12% from 7/7 traits added on-top or included already

deft sapphire Mar 4, 2018, 2:22 AM

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It includes the traits

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And 7/7 would give 14%

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Baseline block is 30%

merry cave Mar 4, 2018, 2:22 AM

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Thanks, I assumed so but figured I'd check

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Right

deft sapphire Mar 4, 2018, 2:23 AM

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No worries. I wish it was another 14% on top 😂

merry cave Mar 4, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Yeah I had a moment of confusion but I think it was just inhore pain making it look like it was doing 100% lol

glacial sage Mar 4, 2018, 3:24 AM

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For foe breaker I use NF or SR?

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 3:24 AM

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Nf

glacial sage Mar 4, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Gotta get that 100 mil block though, so save it for 2nd one

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:25 AM

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I hope you mean SB 🤔

glacial sage Mar 4, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Why would you not use NF?

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:26 AM

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NF or SB

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Not NF or SR 😛

glacial sage Mar 4, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Spell reflect, I was asking if it was magical or physical

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:27 AM

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Oh ok

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Protip, check the blockable spreadsheet

glacial sage Mar 4, 2018, 3:27 AM

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I did, was still confuzzled

slim zenith Mar 4, 2018, 3:35 AM

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is there a alternative to legendary bracers in next expansion?, been interested in activating wow again but if warriors are going back to being 100% reliant on other players to tank ill think i skip

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 3:36 AM

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Not yet. You can find more about the next expansion in the channel for it

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#410902883165405214

slim zenith Mar 4, 2018, 3:37 AM

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ic, not gonna activate then, dont feel like spending time on a gamble since wo self-healing, its pointless to play

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 3:37 AM

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I wouldn't rule it out yet. It's still very early in alpha

slim zenith Mar 4, 2018, 3:38 AM

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true, can just wait a month or two before expansion and rush the content this expansion i suppose

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 3:39 AM

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Yep yep. Should be easily able to get everything you want done in terms of appearances/unlocks for this expansion.

glacial sage Mar 4, 2018, 3:42 AM

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Watching my Blood dk off tank die taking 2 stacks of foe breaker and dieing and then me not taking damage is very spicyu

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Is there any kind of guideline for when its worth it to take a non-haste neck/ring? For example I have a 935 high haste/mast ring and a 960 high vers/mast ring

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Why is he taking 2 stacks of Foebreaker though?

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:47 AM

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None of the guides seem to go into detail on when jewelry ilvl is worth more than stat prio. I'm already over 30% haste without the haste ring fwiw

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 3:47 AM

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20 ilevels is generally accepted as the "equip this" point for jewelry

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:47 AM

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👌

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:47 AM

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30% haste is arbitrary, nothing happens at 30% haste

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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a few guides mention 25 and 30 as good points to have to fit in rotations

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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It's a very very old breakpoint that somehow still gets passed around

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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ah :c

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Its a year old

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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🤷 i didn't write the guides

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Yes you did, you filthy guide writer

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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😭

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Its not mentioned in any guide thats worth to read

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:48 AM

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they're in the FAQ ones pretty sure

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but good to know those values don't matter 😃

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 3:50 AM

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There's a 35% breakpoint mentioned in the guide I believe, which is 100% shield block uptime if you're using Heavy Repercussions, but we don't use that anymore.

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:50 AM

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For this, you’d need somewhere around 35-40% haste with Heavy Repercussions

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But yeah, since we dont play HR anymore its a moot point

formal abyss Mar 4, 2018, 3:53 AM

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sorry it was bastion talking about t21, I'm just reading too much into the numbers 😃

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 3:53 AM

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Hey, I play HR....and Indomitable and into the fray. And lets not forget the MVP ravager

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 3:54 AM

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🤦

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 3:54 AM

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Least you don't sim that vengeance is more dps than BV...

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Sims don't work for us. For anything

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 3:55 AM

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yet*

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😉

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:56 AM

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The upcoming nightly build might have something to say about that

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 3:56 AM

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a working APL is in the making for once the simc build is pushed

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 3:57 AM

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Sneak preview, current nightly build still has some issues

📎 sneak.PNG

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If you want all the fixes you will have to download the code directly and build it yourself

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APL is pending as stated

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 4:00 AM

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So, my bear gets all the luck with items in the weekly chest...
That's what he got the last 2 weeks

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timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 4:00 AM

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That ring combo would be dope for argus skyhold

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I'm still not avoidance capped 😢

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 4:01 AM

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I currently have 0 avoidance on warrior. Sucks quite a bit 😦

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Meanwhile the bear is sitting at 18%

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Thanks to those rings, 2 traits and a 930 goblet with avoidance

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 4:02 AM

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My tier cloak has avoidance and socket. But I has 960 cloak instead :/

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 4:03 AM

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I'm at the point where I'm almost begging people to trade me their relics so I can go gamble on bastion+avoidance trait in the crucible whenever a relic drops 😄

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 4:03 AM

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My relics mostly come from M+. Sadly only 1 has rolled Bastion

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Ive got 3 bastion, but all have pretty meh traits in second row

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Having 3 bastion is hard enough man. Now you want good T2 traits

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 4:04 AM

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haha yep 😄

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 4:05 AM

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I'm sure it'll come together

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I've vendored so many Iron/Fire relics though since they rolled neither bastion nor Unrivaled Strength

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 4:06 AM

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I've been a bit lucky on relics, got 3 of those for fury aswell

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Though the ilvl on those are a bit on the lower end

hallow phoenix Mar 4, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Just got a 940 memento 😄

proud harbor Mar 4, 2018, 7:07 AM

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is prot warr a lot harder to manage than a prot pal or blood dk in 15-20 keys?

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Blood DK is certainly easier

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:13 AM

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I don't really have any issues at all in 15s

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Blood is easier because they really don't ever have buttons they have to press outside of specific boss mechanics

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 7:13 AM

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prot pal has the extra interrupts which can be helpful, but otherwise I'd say both prot specs are roughly similar

modest sierra Mar 4, 2018, 7:49 AM

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I got 100% mastery today, not in optimal gear but whenever i tank and have shield block up, i crit block all the time 😃

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 8:48 AM

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It works! \o/

final mist Mar 4, 2018, 8:48 AM

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I mean

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 8:49 AM

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still missing few percent for that feelin i guess

final mist Mar 4, 2018, 8:49 AM

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100% mastery works, but it's not optimal or actually decent for anything other than Argus

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And even then, it's not required

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 8:50 AM

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But the memes!

final mist Mar 4, 2018, 8:50 AM

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ThinkCorn

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 8:50 AM

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tbh im not workin on it actively..my speedset is masterystack tho :thinking:

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back on guardian meanwhile. 932 feels scary compared to a protlife :grin:

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 8:53 AM

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Guardian feels squishier in general to me, in M+ anyway

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 8:54 AM

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No spellreflect tho ..

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 8:54 AM

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Yeah, it's nice being able to heal like 65% of your health in one FR, but as a warrior I just wouldn't have taken the damage in the first place lol

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 8:55 AM

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Damn no freakin Ursol anymore, lul. too bad what they did there

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 8:57 AM

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I really wish they had just nerfed it a bit instead of removing it entirely. It's not even OP in this tier of raiding tbh

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Like I don't think it would've been unreasonable to keep it but put it on like a 20-25 sec CD

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 8:58 AM

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nah .. at this point it was just ironfur & frenzy outta control

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they just did the "classfantasy" 😃

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 8:59 AM

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Yeah like...Adaptive Fur isn't terrible but it's just not enough in the situations where you actually even care about magic mitigation

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:03 AM

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idk .. just kinda odd balance decision to remove a button u have to actually care about ..from a class with 4 buttons 🤷

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Lol, indeed.

strong nymph Mar 4, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Good morning everyone! it is possible the hidden skin for prot. warri via serverhop to farm?

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Nope

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Because you have to get the emote first, which is a personal quest flag for you

strong nymph Mar 4, 2018, 9:24 AM

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the emote is a must? because a friend said that she didn´t got it but could loot the skin

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 9:24 AM

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Yes, it's a must. if she thinks she didn't get it, she just missed it

strong nymph Mar 4, 2018, 9:25 AM

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ah oki then thanks for the answer, then its just pure rng 😦

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ah 1 last question. u dont must hav clear any quest on highmountain?

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 9:27 AM

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Not that I'm aware.

unborn island Mar 4, 2018, 11:12 AM

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So, 22 seat

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How much do I lower it before finding a group?

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20?

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 11:42 AM

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20 with good group should be just fine but i would try +22 tbh

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at least get good knowledge then reset it to +21 and do it in time

unborn island Mar 4, 2018, 12:12 PM

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I honestly think you'd need to have ridiculous DPS to kill 3rd boss on 22

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 12:35 PM

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i did +20 it wasnt in time but 3rd boss wasnt the problem

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adds are really important tentacles was dealing lots of damage +22 would be alot harder but can be done with good healer

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and last boss is also problem after like 50 stacks damage is really high people should rotate their defensive cds before boss kills them

unborn island Mar 4, 2018, 1:25 PM

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So tried it

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first boss - cake

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2nd boss, took 2 tries, but managed it

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3rd boss

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basically couldn't kill it

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just too much hp on tentacles means healer can't keep everyone up while needing to kill adds

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also,he basically trucks me

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will use spell reflect pants next time i think

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 1:30 PM

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yeah 3rd boss is just like arcway caster boss

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until a point damage is nearly none but after that it hits alot

gloomy light Mar 4, 2018, 1:39 PM

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hey guys can I get an IP weakaura

tepid chasm Mar 4, 2018, 1:59 PM

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@gloomy light https://wago.io/search/Type:+WeakAura+Ignore+pain

Search | Wago.io

Database of sharable World of Warcraft addon elements

novel temple Mar 4, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Wait, is 100% mastery/mastery set needed for Argus?

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 2:06 PM

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no

novel temple Mar 4, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Ok cool

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Not needed, it's a bit of meme

restive scroll Mar 4, 2018, 2:38 PM

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Btw, did anyone try Gorshalach's legacy in high mm+ fortified? Seemed nice for the stats, but the proc seems pretty long to pop

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Proc rate is nerfed for tanks anyway, not worth it

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Much better trinkets are available

restive scroll Mar 4, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Too bad, could have be nice :( Thank you :)

steady flint Mar 4, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Hi, anyone who have done Argus mythic while using a guardian to solo tank at the 2nd chains in p3?

plush summit Mar 4, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Anyone here have an armory link to a progression-raiding prot warrior? Our raid leader doesn't really like his prot warrior for progression raiding, favoring his monk instead. I'm curious what a heroic-argus prot warrior looks like.

restive scroll Mar 4, 2018, 5:31 PM

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"Heroic"? Don't you want a mythic one?

plush summit Mar 4, 2018, 5:32 PM

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sure I'd take a mythic one too

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Our guild is progressing through Heroic at the moment, and I thought there might be a greater pool of people with a prot warrior if I didn't set the standard at mythic.

restive scroll Mar 4, 2018, 5:33 PM

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I'm only doing heroic pug clears, and mm+, if you want mine

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otherwise, you can always look at wowprogress and filter for warrior, that might be good enough

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Could send you my armory, progressing m argus atm

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Could send you the armory of people who already killed M argus as prot warrior as well if you want that instead

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 5:37 PM

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@plush summit im more intrested why he doesnt want prot warriors

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 5:38 PM

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Maybe he watches Sco 🤔

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 5:38 PM

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ayyyyyy

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tldr warrior: punishing, but if u play correctly, u take no dmg

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esp on heroic the idea of declining a tank class is absurd

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like, REALLY absurd

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Especially one that's so strong on some of the harder bosses like Aggramar and Argus

pallid fox Mar 4, 2018, 6:21 PM

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Decided to finally try mage tower for tank. Did the 6pc setup, full dps build. 5 pulls of just pure dps zerg and god it

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so many shield slams = dead things

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 6:22 PM

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nice

pallid fox Mar 4, 2018, 6:23 PM

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36 shield slams, 29 of them crit, 32% of my overall damage

junior ivy Mar 4, 2018, 6:51 PM

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i just did soooo bad on a votw 17 and usualluy im good at that dungeon 😦

little rain Mar 4, 2018, 6:53 PM

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MDI Qualified boissss lets go

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#1 prot on proving grounds atm

junior ivy Mar 4, 2018, 6:53 PM

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wow grats !

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 6:56 PM

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REEEE

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Someone telling some poor newbie warrior to run Indom

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 6:56 PM

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🤦

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Don't worry Thyme, you would be proud. I DMed the poor soul and directed them here.

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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@warm plinth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1uTsqJVAeo

YouTube

You're Gonna Need a Bigger Quote

"No...That's not true...That's impossible!"

01:46:45 into "Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back"

▶ Play video

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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XD

restive scroll Mar 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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@little rain Gg ! Show thoses fake tank that warrior are better *-*

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:08 PM

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holy fuck

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i jsut do normal vari on alt

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other tank didnt taunt off

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i die to melees wit debuff

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raid leader removes both tanks

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??????????????????????????????????????????

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 7:08 PM

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classic 😃

restive scroll Mar 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Pugs

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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removed first tank for not taunting
removed second tank for dying

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😏

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Removed Levko because bad

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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death strike heals so much

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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🙃

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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wit 100% heal reduction

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Yeah DK has to be like the shittiest tank for that fight lol

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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had a random DK co-tank in herioc .. he kept jumping around like a chicken 2-3 wipes. got removed - cuz yea, i died. lul

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Wouldn't die if you weren't bad. Come on guys

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XD

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:10 PM

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i can solo on warr

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not on this slow

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pices of shit

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16% haste

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i can alt tab until i can press a button of my rotation

junior ivy Mar 4, 2018, 7:11 PM

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in votw on last boss as tankm do i use the light?

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Not if a ranged can do it

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:11 PM

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i always use it

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or someone will fuck it up

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I'm the same way, but I also get annoyed having to move the boss constantly to clear the shit on the ground

restive scroll Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Same as Levko/ At some point your group will probably say to give it to your healer though

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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get kicked into shadow puddles

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then ez

junior ivy Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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i did so bad in that votw 17 that i never wnana do m+ again

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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something something

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clicking

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something

junior ivy Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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wasnt casue of clicking

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i dunno why i did so bad

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i flew off the edge twice on last boss

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Hey Lev

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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if only u had a timer

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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How you like that haste?

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ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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for kick

junior ivy Mar 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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ocne i touched the wall guys

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:13 PM

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i like it

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Wait, is your haste before bone shield or after?

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:13 PM

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16% be4

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got 49% on war

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🤔

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

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I got rid of all my crit on my war 😃

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Literally my only crit is from my artifact

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

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oh yea

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about that

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WHY

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IS

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IT ON OUR ARTIFACT

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Because Blizz, reasons, stuff

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:16 PM

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prob they thought if u crit wit NF

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thats op

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class fantasy

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Critting with NF isn't OP? XD

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I'm so lazy right now I'm gonna take a flight path to Val'sharah

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Lol...that awkward moment when you don't even have any flight paths in Val'sharah

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:18 PM

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i use skyhold teleport system

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:18 PM

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I'm on my Dk atm

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I'm gonna go check that MC thing

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:22 PM

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ait

main pike Mar 4, 2018, 7:24 PM

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i think almost all artifacts are crit mastery just because haste or vers would be more obvious

vale gyro Mar 4, 2018, 7:24 PM

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hey guys, need tips for felhounds mythic ... should Shatug by kited or maybe it can be kept in one place

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?

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srry for my Eng its not my mother tongue

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:25 PM

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kited when he spawns purple stuff

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not for u, but for dps

glacial sage Mar 4, 2018, 7:26 PM

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being at 80% haste when hero goes out is such a good feeling

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Note to self: 10 stacks of soul blade hurts even on regular mythic

turbid horizon Mar 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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what's a haste

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Why do some people have a + next to their haste 🤔

turbid horizon Mar 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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I'm enchanted and gemmed for mastery too

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Because haste can be negative

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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training that mastery at the gym wadner

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I mean...I don't have a + next to mine though lol

turbid horizon Mar 4, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I'm an arms main lol

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leave me be 😦

proud harbor Mar 4, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Is the tank pantheon trinket worth it or will I get by with a dps one? Or angerboda and seeping scourge

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For m+

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:32 PM

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its worth it, both other dps trinks are nerfed for tanks

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only mem ento isnt

vale gyro Mar 4, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@ember arrow and how about fire dog, do you kite him in small circle for half of the map.>

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?

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@ember arrow Working for me

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ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:34 PM

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fire dog was tanked stationary if i beleive i did

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but that was soem time ago

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Sorry, should have DMed that actually D:

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:35 PM

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the one that did the pools on the dps needs to be moved yes

vale gyro Mar 4, 2018, 7:35 PM

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ahh so fire

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:35 PM

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other one was tank and spanked

vale gyro Mar 4, 2018, 7:35 PM

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and purple can be kept statioanry

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great

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thx

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:35 PM

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o ok

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well i confused the colors

vale gyro Mar 4, 2018, 7:36 PM

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yee thought so 😉 thx any other tips? I feel that on mythic there is less dmg

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:37 PM

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because if u tank the doggo u got the debuff(buff) from

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u take 25% less dmg from that

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it switches half way tru the fight, u can swap and keep the reduced dmg, or dont and just tank the same on all fight

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so if u get fire debuff and tank fire doge, u take 25% less fire dmg

vale gyro Mar 4, 2018, 7:38 PM

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have you tried tank same dog without reducion?

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:38 PM

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i didnt

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we oneshot them though and after too i remember

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so i didnt have tiem to practice much

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jsut sticked wit swapping till i took raidbreak basically

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i dont actually know if it makes a big difference

deft sapphire Mar 4, 2018, 7:40 PM

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It was easily doable to tank the same dog the whole time in week one, in fact you had to on a lot of pulls

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Idk if they fixed it or something but tanks used to get the same buff a lot of the time

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:40 PM

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ye but when i started that fighrt first time

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that bug wasnt present

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i assumed it was intended swap, like swaps on other fights, so we both tanks shrugged and did it

deft sapphire Mar 4, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Yeah it was

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:41 PM

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esp since they dont take the 100% dmg boost when u swap

deft sapphire Mar 4, 2018, 7:41 PM

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The worst part is the tank on shadow has the fire debuff and spawned the void zones

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It was a bit of a shitshow

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:42 PM

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but yea, i pref to be as safe as possible, even on farm, esp if it doesnt affect dps or tanks much

vale gyro Mar 4, 2018, 7:42 PM

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ahh ok understood

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thx guys!

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 7:42 PM

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👍

vital fulcrum Mar 4, 2018, 8:00 PM

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guys dumb question how do i critically block?

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 8:00 PM

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RNG from mastery or by using the artifact ability

vital fulcrum Mar 4, 2018, 8:02 PM

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so every block while using my artifact ability will be 100% crit and proc my scales of earth ya?

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Scales of earth has a chance to trigger on crit blocks

vital fulcrum Mar 4, 2018, 8:03 PM

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alright ty

lean fern Mar 4, 2018, 8:09 PM

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does old war do more dmg then prolonged for prot?

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 8:10 PM

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pretty sure old war beats prolonged on pure ST

junior ivy Mar 4, 2018, 8:11 PM

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wait really?

lean fern Mar 4, 2018, 8:16 PM

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not suprised @junior ivy mostly because of the fact that during your burst with T21. The amount of spamming your doing and rage spending. old war procs ALOT

junior ivy Mar 4, 2018, 8:17 PM

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oh cool

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ill buy some

sturdy sable Mar 4, 2018, 8:27 PM

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Ditto

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Gotta get that burst higher

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 8:32 PM

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That being said, prolonged are generally much cheaper and I'm way too cheap to do that. Plus you have more uptime on Prolonged; I feel like it's probably not that much of a difference. Old War is PPM and it's not like we have a lack of abilities being used even without T21 2pc.

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:10 PM

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What do you guys think about Best Serves Cold talent for Mythic Eonar?

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Best Served Cold Talent

sturdy sable Mar 4, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Its a dish best served

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:12 PM

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So it's good?

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 9:12 PM

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unneeded, the trash packs that are 5+ usually die too fast for it to matter

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Yeah, when I killed it yesterday the packs would die pretty quick

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Just thought it would be good because of the amount of adds spawning

sturdy sable Mar 4, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Yeah as a tank I focus on slowing and stunning more so then dosing on that fight

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:13 PM

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I'm a bit salty about that fight because the pull before we killed it I parsed a 99 percentile healing :/

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And we were 3% away from killing it :/

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Parses on Eonar are a joke anyway tbh

scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 9:20 PM

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yeah I parse highly on DPS and I don't exactly do anything special

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other bosses I sort of have to through caution to the wind to get my DPS parses up there

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Guildie just gave me these, I'm quite happy 😄

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scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 9:29 PM

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oh fuck yeah

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that's some big boy legs for sure

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Indeed they are !

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:37 PM

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Those are really nice

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Thanks to those I got my crit down even lower 😄

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scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 9:41 PM

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those are some solid numbers right there, don't think there's too much more you can shave off outside of equipping a timewalking weapon

cinder pasture Mar 4, 2018, 9:42 PM

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True, and that's never gonna happen

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 9:48 PM

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hmm

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i got 960 dinner bell

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it wa surprisingly good

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8k versatility

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:58 PM

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kakushans still good ?

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 9:58 PM

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it was never bad

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 9:59 PM

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just trying to go for big dps in M+

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just got the gloves so i was thinking sephuz/belt and then while sephuz is on CD gloves+belt

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 10:00 PM

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think belt/glove is biggest dps overall

rocky brook Mar 4, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Got to 110 yesterday, got 4pc T21 from my first N run last night

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 10:01 PM

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sephuz cd is 30 sec

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equipping it sets it on anither 30 sec cd

rocky brook Mar 4, 2018, 10:01 PM

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and none of the pieces dropped for me lol. They all dropped for the only other Warrior in the group and he passed them all to me

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 10:01 PM

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gz

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:04 PM

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levko just tested it out

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unequipping doesnt reset the CD

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 10:04 PM

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only on uses triggers the cd when changing slots

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:06 PM

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yeah so in M+ switching out from sephuz between packs is pretty lit

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:07 PM

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Hmm, good to know. Not entirely sure it's worth swapping that often for me though lol

glacial vale Mar 4, 2018, 10:07 PM

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What level keys are you doing this on?

jade socket Mar 4, 2018, 10:08 PM

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It should be up every pack maybe even twice in a pack unless the key is very low

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 10:08 PM

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yea idk

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lasts 10 sec

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30 sec cd

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only 20 sec downtime

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

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yeah maybe not worth for prot ...

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

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That's quite a frequent gear change for idk. Maybe it's substantial, but not sure it's enough for me to want to do it personally.

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

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but when i arms switching legendarys inbetween packs is worth

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

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Yeah perhaps.

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:09 PM

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but for prot i think it might be minimal

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:10 PM

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Idk anything about arms though. Most packs on relevant keys are gonna last longer than 10 seconds, and I feel like you'll end up getting more benefit from gloves over that longer period than Sephuz

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For prot ofc

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:10 PM

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also some packs u really want to just destroy as fast as possible

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so maybe u go sephuz for the burst

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Sephuz+gloves most likely

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:11 PM

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I could see it going either way. Definitely don't think I'd have gloves equipped on a larger pack over belt though. You can get demo shout up super fast on bigger packs.

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:12 PM

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yeah true but if its a pack ur wanting to burst i think demo shout uptime would be enough

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:12 PM

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Could be. Seems highly situational to me. It's good info though for sure. Definitely not worth it from my perspective.

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 10:12 PM

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if you kill it within 1 DS duration, then yeah prob gloves+sephuz

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:12 PM

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like that pack right before the first boss in Vault on fortified RIP

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 10:12 PM

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I'd rather go belt+sephuz though

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So I still get the CDR for DS for the next pack

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:13 PM

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Yeah, I'd almost put it down to personal preference but I feel like gloves over belt is the wrong way to go on any AoE situation, unless as Cosmo said, you know it's going to be dead within one duration of Demo

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:14 PM

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the belt is really a nutty legendary

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on any fight with adds your demo shout up time is OP

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Yeah it's pretty sexy. Makes daily heroics fun; nothing quite like getting demo shout off CD with one Thunder Clap 😂 Of course the benefit is kinda lost there since you basically 2-3 shot any heroic level mob anyway

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:16 PM

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i sometimes like to Meme with the arms helm and ravager

scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 10:16 PM

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still get the now witness true power feeling

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:17 PM

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the Burst with KJs trinket is a bit nuts

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 10:17 PM

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monkaS

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Ravager is still shit with the helm

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Like complete utter garbage

scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 10:17 PM

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ravager best talent

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Staaahp

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:18 PM

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i use it when i do Maw 4 times for the weekly

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In M+, on bosses that don't require you to run a defensive legendary (aka like hymdall) what legos do y'all run?

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the big first pack and pulling the entire boat DPS cant compete

ember arrow Mar 4, 2018, 10:18 PM

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no bosses require any

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technically

glacial vale Mar 4, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Gloves and belt

scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 10:18 PM

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gloves and belt my dude

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:18 PM

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belt's good even with one target?

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Yeah you really don't need defensive legendaries for any boss. Unless you want to solo the boss after the rest of the group wipes

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:18 PM

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alright, neat

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^that usually happens :p

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Should probably keep bracers equipped then 😂

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:19 PM

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yeah i was playing around with swapping out belt for kakushans or ahr

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just on bosses, ofc

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:19 PM

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AHR can be good DPS but I wouldn't use it unless I could pop a Last Stand buffed bubble tbh

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:20 PM

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sephuz aint bad if u can proc it on CD single target

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Like I can see AHR being good on fights like Oakheart where you know you're gonna take a bunch of damage from the grip

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So you can just pop LS+AHR and let the grip pop it

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:20 PM

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that's a great idea actually

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never thought of it

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^

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Alright well, I'll swap to gloves and if i'm confident in the group gloves/belt

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:21 PM

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On tyr keys you'd probably even get two uses of it

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:21 PM

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thanks for the advice!

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keeping up 1 mil single target on the dummy with sephuz+gloves probably more if a boss is hitting u to give u rage

glacial vale Mar 4, 2018, 10:25 PM

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The leggo pants are great for tyrannical oakheart

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Since we're having this discussion, the lastest code from SimC is fully supporting prot warriors from what I've seen (offensively)

sick sentinel Mar 4, 2018, 10:25 PM

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mind u thats keeping revenge on CD so healer might hate u

scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 10:25 PM

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wait really

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 10:25 PM

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not necessarily, SR should be up for every grip without legs

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Theres no APL made for it yet and you need to compile the code yourself but at least making a decent APL isnt too hard for prot warriors

scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 10:26 PM

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and on a higher tyr keys you should be getting 2 or 3 grips depending on your DPS

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 10:26 PM

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What is the plan to implement rage for damage taken? Or is this meant with BfA in mind where it's no longer a thing?

scenic dune Mar 4, 2018, 10:27 PM

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AHR is pretty spicy for single target damage if you can ensure that the shield will be fully soaked

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 10:27 PM

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RFDT has always "worked" its just a matter of configuring your enemy to match a realistic RFDT for the content you want to sim

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Comparing the RFDT to logs is a good way to do it

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 10:28 PM

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I see. So you can give it a damage profile and it'll calculate the RFDT according to that

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Damage taken profile that is, i.e. from logs as you say

timid jay Mar 4, 2018, 10:28 PM

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You can make custom enemies, I just use the standard TMI bosses

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There will probably be a pinned post once a APL is released and the build is up over at the nightly builds download over at SimC

fleet galleon Mar 4, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Hopefully the pin will have instructions for scrubs like me too haha

warm plinth Mar 4, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Wait, RFDT isn't a thing anymore in BfA?

undone sun Mar 4, 2018, 10:30 PM

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afaik it's based on melees instead of all damage