lol, the fact that we know it most certainly helps
#protection
prisma crane
round vortex
I had 2 infernals in phase 1 adn fuck knows how many by the time i killed it
prisma crane
i think we'd all be much more ready to do it around 910 than those new to it, but i think it wouldnt be cake, not for me at least
warm plinth
You don't get more infernals after P1. The same ones just respawn
round vortex
Ahh there ya go.
prisma crane
i mean, 5 SS is like 13m dmg right there
plus i'd still prob just use Diimas for the big hit
warm plinth
Yeah, idk. I'm pretty sure I had 3 infernals at 929 but I was really cautious about the aura stacks because I hadn't been playing warrior for that long at the time
So I spent a lot of time in P1
prisma crane
and yea, with over 9m hp, that's already over 2.5m more than i had then, so you could take more stacks too
warm plinth
Never had any issues with getting knocked off on my warrior anyway so I probably could've had 6 and been fine
Yeah, HP would be significant, not to mention IP was buffed too since back then
prisma crane
i hit 75% vers last night on Argus pulls
warm plinth
I didn't really struggle much with the tank challenge on any toon; I think the most attempts I took was like 14, and that was on my DK (fucking Velen dying)
warm plinth
That's a ton of vers lol
prisma crane
5 orb buffs, plus conc and aggramars
warm plinth
Phew
prisma crane
yea... lol
warm plinth
Tbh only done the fight on LFR. I barely know the orbs exist, much less how they're supposed to work ๐
prisma crane
we're not the best on dps
undone sun
lol
prisma crane
though our 5th is dropped while we're in the middle
warm plinth
They spawn on people don't they? So I guess on LFR everyone just kinda ends up with the buffs
prisma crane
so we often get 4 as well
undone sun
at most we get 4 and the latest when we already transitioned to p2
prisma crane
yea ur a full 1 ahead of us
prisma crane
LFR and normal the buff lasts 1 min, heroic and mythic its 30 sec
so there's little overlap
warm plinth
Ah
undone sun
very little, it's more often than not that i can't get more than 3
prisma crane
and it just caps at max so ur better off delaying the pickup if you can
ever since i swapped to bounding stride i can get them all pretty often
warm plinth
So do you not stack the whole group for the cone phase in higher difficulties?
prisma crane
scythe, leap, run fast back
undone sun
it's not even about that, just active tanking timings
warm plinth
Oh so specifically for tanks it's difficult to get more orbs
prisma crane
yea, he's got about 3 different timing patterns on mythic it feels like
undone sun
yeh, the rest of the raid doesn't have a problem
prisma crane
and can get worse if the buff is on a tank
usually we just have active tank take an extra scythe for that one
but that can make your own buff timing fucky
warm plinth
Makes sense. Idk I watched Exorsus or whoever's mythic kill and last phase especially looks way different than LFR does.
I might have to try to pug heroic at least just so I can see a semi-real fight
You guys got Argus didn't you Thyme?
undone sun
yup
warm plinth
๐ Congrats
undone sun
๐
prisma crane
our best is now 37%, it feels super far away
junior ivy
YOU GOT ARGUS MYTHIC?
undone sun
yeah, on tuesday
junior ivy
@undone sun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
warm plinth
How long you been working on him Krotos?
prisma crane
this is our second full wk on him
undone sun
assume you're extending
prisma crane
yea
junior ivy
CONGRATS !!!!!!!!!!!!
prisma crane
we got to him, had a full day on him, then we didnt extend
then that wk we just cleared up to him
junior ivy
im so happy for you!
prisma crane
and then this wk and last we've been on him
warm plinth
Well that sounds very un-fun
prisma crane
if our dps was a much better comp i think we'd be in better shape but it's just not
our best players are melee and we have too many
junior ivy
cant wait til you get him down krotos !
then i can say i know a cutting edge raider ๐
round hornet
same, we had a hard time filling the 10 ranged for aggramar
prisma crane
back in MoP, lmao
round hornet
argus sux
warm plinth
I mean, you have like 6 more months
warm plinth
Well, probably 4 I guess. I'm guessing they typically cut off CE at pre-patch?
prisma crane
something i'd like if it was more so
yea usually
esp since this pre-patch is coming with a squish
MoP squish made bosses.... interesting
25 man Siegecrafter was a hell of a wall for people
after WoD prepatch we 1 tank 24 dps'd it and killed him in 28 sec
junior ivy
i got mythic antorus pug in 2 hours lol wish me luck last week we got gorothi to 32%
warm plinth
I haven't been around for a pre-patch since the beginning of MoP I think. Always come in several months into the expansion
prisma crane
since there's scaling, they have to error on the side of making things easier than harder
and since it's pre-patch they dont care, i bet M Ant will be a serious joke come 8.0
oh yea GL cat, if you get the full 20 i bet you'll have him down easy
junior ivy
i will be linking that mythic achv to every group i apply to, if i get it
normal antorus pug? mythic gorothi! hellfire citadel t-mog run? mythic gorothi!
warm plinth
I feel like for Antorus PUGs you'd probably be better off linking AotC than the first boss on mythic. Maybe I'm silly though lol.
junior ivy
everyone has aotc nowadays
round vortex
I'd say pugging first boss on Mythic is harder than Argus Heroic these days lol
We are attempting Mythic Garothi this week as wekk in guild ๐ Had an attempt last week and got to 14% on first attempt lol
round vortex
Ran outta time - so this week we already have a save past Garothi to save time lol
Plus i banned ALT's from our raid for a few weeks
prisma crane
what's a wekk?
prisma crane
oh, i was thinking of typos and that didnt come to mind, oops
good call
garothi is all about soaking and actually moving back for the explosions
for tanks it's cake
the explosion is physical too, so you dont have to move out
but he does actually melee deceptively hard for a first boss
warm plinth
On mythic you don't actually disable his weapons right? It just makes them worse when you "kill" it?
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
prisma crane
idk, i feel bad because there's so many fights that i have no idea what's going on outside of my job
undone sun
same
prisma crane
i go on my shaman and just yolo range mechanics lol
warm plinth
Yeah I guess tanks it's just eradication and fel bombardment for that fight huh
warm plinth
Is that what you were referring to when you said explosion?
warm plinth
Looks like ruptured realities; blizz is so creative ๐
warm plinth
Yeah
I learned something interesting about that boss for BDK yesterday. Apparently his melees don't eat bone shield charges
Because they're considered ranged attacks for some weird ass reason
prisma crane
weird
hollow tundra
Can you spell reflect 1st boss in Seat?
prisma crane
as a DR, yes
doesnt fully reflect
and you need pants to reflect all of the decimates
mitigate*
but you can just use SW for one if you want
warm plinth
That'd be pretty OP if it did...stand in void on purpose to reflect Decimate
prisma crane
it'd be a big hit
that's for sure
that all said, arat's are actually quite useful for the trash in Seat, particularly the trash before first boss and any of the oozes.
warm plinth
Some day I'll do Seat on M+
undone sun
you don't want to
warm plinth
No, I really don't.
prisma crane
meanwhile
i want to do it on time in at least a 20
it's now my worst M+ score
60 points below my lower kara ๐ฆ
warm plinth
My warrior's score is pitiful anyway; even my mistweaver somehow ended up passing him lol. Not being picky enough about keys
prisma crane
do you have 1 of everything yet? (ignoring seat since i know you havent)
it's a great start to do that first
warm plinth
I might, but I probably have like super low ones of some keys
Haha yeah, I have 3 +10s, a +7, and then no key at all for Eye or Lower Kara
(or Seat)
tawny crown
after 150+ 15 + keys
ive only just discovered the skystep potion
and now m+ is a breeze at 20+ keys
warm plinth
Raging/Volc/Tyr this week right?
undone sun
yeh
warm plinth
Volcanic is bugging me this week because either I'm the luckiest melee DPS and tank alive, or more people than I thought don't know how Volcanic works
And I haven't even done any dungeons. Just debating people. It's actually irrationally annoying me.
crisp slate
Do the Taeschalach Reach hits when you're offtanking count towards Apocalypse Drive stacks? (the 10 melee hits)
timid jay
@quartz pond Dont think there is any such document
Tbh, most of the time its just easier to let the prot warrior start tanking, especially if its a druid co-tank
sharp fern
undone sun
@crisp slate yes
quartz pond
im third tanking vari though
undone sun
also for the CDR
crisp slate
Ok cool. Ty.
quartz pond
im sure such document would be good to have though
junior ivy
hey what is this 3 tank vari strat?
how does it work
it is the last boss i would ever imagine needs a 3rd tank
timid jay
Its for mythic
round hornet
In mythic
junior ivy
no i';ve seen it done for heroic too
timid jay
Dont think anyone 3 tanks it in heroic
junior ivy
my sister was in a heroic pug last night that did 3 tank strat she said
timid jay
I mean, people have some strange strats
round hornet
You want an escort to get necrotic
junior ivy
ohh tanks get necrotic on mythic?
undone sun
escort the DPS with necrotic out of the group, escort them back, and run out of the group to drop an add, run back to the group repeat
junior ivy
thats scary
prisma crane
it's way different though on mythic
undone sun
used to just use a dps with an immunity but they fixed it so a tank is required
prisma crane
for 2 reasons, one, two people get the necrotic
and two, if you ever alone (too far from someone else) you spawn an add
that add has to die within like 3 sec or it's most certainly a wipe
if you do it with 3 tanks you can make you only have to kill 1 add instead of 2
junior ivy
tanking gorothi mythic is same as heroic but gotta go faster right?
like run faster
i dont gotta worry about other mechanics right?
timid jay
Not as a tank no
junior ivy
will i be able to go fast enough to not gethit by missiles?
is it ever worth the risk to use my belt's speed boost?
timid jay
I leap when its slightly above 1 sec left on the debuff and use the speed boost from bounding stride to run in a small U shape so I end up near the boss once the debuff is gone
junior ivy
im scared to use heroic leap because i wanna save in case i gotta quickly get out of a green line
if your leap is on cd how do you get out of green line?
junior ivy
do i gotta use bounding strides?
i like to use the other talent in case i mess up a taunt
timid jay
Think you can just facetank the green lines though
warm plinth
How do you mess up a taunt on Garothi though
junior ivy
like what if i taunt too soon cause i misclick
then he taunts back
then i gotta tuanbt for real
taunt
but cant
timid jay
Cant really taunt too early on that fight
warm plinth
I mean, Taunt only has an 8 second CD, and if he runs out of melee range of the boss, the boss is going to hit you anyway
timid jay
Worst case scenario you get 2 of the bomb comboes on you
Just need to run around a bit more
timid jay
Its not a requirement no
If you dont have it you just have to start running out earlier
junior ivy
k ill try withotu it first
and if i need it ill use it
im scared i wont remmeber to change back, if i change it
i NEVER chnage my talents ll
lol
ember arrow
"scared"
O K
just do the fking boss, run when u get bombard, then run abck after 6 bombs fall
ezzzz
junior ivy
thats my plan
junior ivy
the berzxerker range tauint one
ember arrow
why
round vortex
@ember arrow Don't be mean to Catfriend. He (or wait are you a chick) is our resident timid tank who get's scared of bosses lol
ember arrow
i know
round vortex
Catfriend just use spell reflect if u get caught in a lane. Or I'll snip my recording and show you the pathing to take so its ez mode
prisma crane
can also just use aggramar's stride lego boots
if you're worried
but i literally get hit by the first one every time
because of how long i stay in
i just hit SR
and if i get hit by 2 i use LS
but if you leap out it's not bad
boots make it easier and remember there are 6 casts on mythic
compact geyser
hello fellow tanks, anyone have a mythic aggramar wa the technique?
royal cobalt
Dipping into mythic antorus tonight and looking for leggo recommendations for felhounds
undone sun
@compact geyser https://wago.io/BkCxQRbVf/1
royal cobalt
Guessing gloves and bracers
compact geyser
@undone sun thanks my dude. just got coven! am excite
undone sun
yeah, if you're not using the tier combo bracers/gloves would be recommended @royal cobalt
compact geyser
any tips @undone sun ?
undone sun
mostly just depends on the strat, not much to it as a warrior
foebreaker is blockable and NF will be off cd for every hit
compact geyser
i see you used Ararats?
undone sun
yeah, we never swapped for reach stacks and i found it easier with legs
enough down time to let charges recharge
compact geyser
were you 100% mastery for this?
undone sun
nah
junior ivy
ugh we only have 12 people for this mythic antorus pug
cosmic stream
: v )
round vortex
booooo
junior ivy
down to 11 now lol i doub this will happen
warm plinth
I would've left like two hours ago
round hornet
im sure you can find a guild ๐
junior ivy
im in a guild lol we just dont raid mythic only heroic
undone sun
it's only used for the stam if needed
cinder nova
Yeah but like
There are way better stam trinkets
Like maw or eye just off the top of my head
It's use looks like it's... really unremarkable
Does vers boost it?
white adder
Mythic Aggramar finally down! YUSSS
junior ivy
GRATS
white adder
Thanks Cat ๐
royal cobalt
good luck on argus man
tired cove
what trinkets do you guys use for dps usally ?
warm plinth
Levko (Memes/Tanking) was his name before
Never saw a meme from him before though...
fleet galleon
I usually use a 935 cradle and the tank pantheon trinket @tired cove
tired cove
ahhh okay hauger thanks
ember arrow
@warm plinth because u didnt ask
fleet galleon
Any high item level haste stat stick or any trinket with a lot of raw strength will be good for dps
undone sun
๐ค
fleet galleon
ember arrow
:๐ค:
warm plinth
Can SF actually ban people?
undone sun
no
ember arrow
no
undone sun
we have 0 actual power
ember arrow
u just walk around aimlessly doing nothing, like the stormforged in skyhold
warm plinth
What's the actual purpose of that role? Just to say hey, this person knows wtf they're tlaking about?
talking*
ember arrow
Kappa
undone sun
warm plinth
Reading #148872210742771712, pfft
undone sun
lol
warm plinth
I'm sure they're active in other channels?
fleet galleon
Oh
warm plinth
It's not like they'd get a word in. Thyme would answer first regardless. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ember arrow
unless they are active specifically in the windows im at work
warm plinth
Only Delenios and ryzoh have never said anything while I was in here (and I only use the prot channel). Looks like ryzoh talks in fury, and Delenios talks in arms
round vortex
@white adder Gratz bro
tiny sphinx
Thyme and the SF serve a higher power
winged marsh
undone sun
it hasn't been 30% in several major patches
undone sun
there's no minimum nor cap, only breakpoints for t21 2pc.
you still want to prioritize haste as a secondary stat as much as you can
sturdy sable
What is that breakpoint?
sturdy sable
Thank you
I assume that's fitting in an extra Shield slam inside the shield spam window
undone sun
yup
inland burrow
is there a way to track sr damage?
sick sentinel
ok thanks for you answer
undone sun
@inland burrow no
final mist
That doesn't mean you need 20/25/50/55% Haste, Haste is still the best secondary no matter what, but you still never give up on ilevel.
Follow the general rule in the guide and you'll be fine.
little rain
Yes you can, @inland burrow which spell are you trying to track?
inland burrow
peircing missiles, medivh, kara
little rain
Did you keep logs of it?
little rain
Yea pretty much, here's an example: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pHMgaxvW6n2w3Q8V#fight=last&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=40
You do the most dmg to that boss by a massive margin, more than the DPS.
inland burrow
yer, its crazy, did ocuple 22's this week and just watch the boss's health drop,, its great
sick sentinel
Hey guys, someone made a WA timer for SB this week that shows time left on SB, had a blue bar, does anyone have that link?
warm plinth
Watching Chaotic Energies connect is pretty fun too. 7% of boss's health gone in 1 hit
inland burrow
there was a time in nelth when you spell reflected last boss, and he went flying back acros the room instead of you, that was fun
little rain
That was cancer*
inland burrow
made the melee rage ๐
warm plinth
Yeah, that was annoying
little rain
warm plinth
Phewwwww, spicy
sick sentinel
@Worldcrusher ! Could u help me out? ๐
Wow i dont get the mentions workin - lul
warm plinth
What do you need help with?
sick sentinel
Need that Arms Compendium as a pdf. white background on mobile and can't fix.
warm plinth
Do you have a link to it?
zealous ore
Pined in #Arms
sick sentinel
It's in arms pins. Didnt u fix that last times?
warm plinth
No, but that's alright
sick sentinel
Diimas on any AOE situation...by far
hallow phoenix
ST?
dusky mica
diimas will always out dps chrono
hallow phoenix
damn
sick sentinel
with that ilvl diffrence diimas>chrono on ST too i guess
zealous ore
Just line it up with BC
dusky mica
it will ALWAYS do more dps
zealous ore
And it does sick dmg
dusky mica
ST or AoE
sick sentinel
Dont kill my dreams Kabuto :grin:
dusky mica
chrono is utter garbage
sick sentinel
Chrono is superfunny! Like it alot
warm plinth
DMed you the compendium in .pdf JokeZ
sick sentinel
@Worldcrusher#3675 <3
zealous ore
Chrono is good
dusky mica
chrono is 10s of haste with a 50s cooldown
warm plinth
Also idk if this is possible on mobile but you can actually download google docs as a .pdf Not sure what options you have for google drive on mobile though since I don't use it much.
sick sentinel
All the love i could give! No homo
zealous ore
925 chrono not so good
warm plinth
I'm using a 940 chrono myself
dusky mica
all it gives you is an extra few attacks and a slightly higher slam reset chance, at an unspecified time
zealous ore
The average is what matters
dusky mica
using a chrono for what? everything?
warm plinth
Yeah, it's what I have
zealous ore
On an RPPM trink
dusky mica
it's not
sick sentinel
while giving gud STR on decent ilvl & the +30% ms as a nice QoL
zealous ore
Its bad for progress tanking cause its inconsistent
sick sentinel
There are alot chrono phrases btw..it is not a totally bad thing...just big chunk of RNG
zealous ore
Is it not rppm?
dusky mica
There are alot chrono phrases btw, what does that mean?
warm plinth
It's ~1ppm
zealous ore
Modified by haste Im assuming
warm plinth
I think Kabuto was generalizing it as 10 sec buff every 50 seconds, which is basically what it'll even out to be.
zealous ore
Sure
dusky mica
I tested it for many hours, it barely changes in use
zealous ore
Anecdotal tests dont have any value
dusky mica
it's only could if you could save 'something' that does damage in a 10s window
so we're talking priests and locks
zealous ore
How does it compare to a stat stick of the same ilvl?
dusky mica
even then on my lock it was pants
zealous ore
In avg haste
warm plinth
It's slightly worse in average haste than a same level stick
zealous ore
Hmn ok
warm plinth
1253 haste average for mine at 940, stick is 1370 I believe
zealous ore
Its not terrible for dps then but theres defo better options
warm plinth
Yeah, but then sticks are almost always better than procced stats for tanks
zealous ore
For survicability defo
warm plinth
Well, for warriors. Idk if there's any caveats for other tanks in that regard
zealous ore
In a dungeon for example the proc could be better cause downtime between packd
And the MS
warm plinth
Idk, I'd say for DPS as well. Like Kabuto said, you can't really know when it's going to proc, so you can't maximize the effect
Frankly it procs a shit ton like between packs which is annoying
zealous ore
Yeah ofc
dusky mica
well you can guess, right?
zealous ore
You shouldnt though
dusky mica
but what can you do in 10s that really makes use of it?
zealous ore
Because if you guess wrong youre losing dmg
dusky mica
you can pray for a few more resets
warm plinth
Well, if you had it for BC you could fit an extra global in
dusky mica
which may or may not be good
warm plinth
Possibly, ofc
zealous ore
Would be a pretty big dps gain
warm plinth
Why would an extra global in BC ever be bad?
dusky mica
true
warm plinth
So on ST, it wouldn't be bad, but again that's IF it procced for BC
dusky mica
but youre going to hold t21 for a chrono proc?
zealous ore
Anyways Chrono is a decent trink
warm plinth
No, that's why I'm saying it's unreliable for us
dusky mica
it's not
warm plinth
It's not a terrible trinket. It's far from the best, but so is almost every other trinket that isn't a stat stick
zealous ore
On average its slightly worse than a haste stick
Haste sticks are top tier
For DPS again
warm plinth
I'm not a fan of it in the first place but I've had zero luck with haste/mast sticks, so I use what I got. I got rid of my DK's chrono as soon as I could just because I hate proc trinkets
sick sentinel
Yeah...pushing haste > 50% in BC.. chrono dps is just alot rng.. that rppm doesnt feel reliable a bit
warm plinth
RPPM isn't supposed to be reliable. That's why it's called Random Procs Per Minute :p
undone sun
real
dusky mica
player
warm plinth
I just think 1 ppm trinkets are shit because they seem to never proc. Like I said earlier, mine procs between trash packs in M+ all the time (like it'll proc on the last hit or two of a pack)
I know @undone sun. I was being sarcastic
undone sun
lol
warm plinth
I like how my contribution to that conversation was simultaneously defending and trashing on Chrono Shard. I really do get too bored at work.
dusky mica
you probably play alliance AND horde too
warm plinth
How the hell did you know what ๐
dusky mica
this guy!
warm plinth
lmao!!!
zealous ore
Same
warm plinth
tanknotes says it works on orb explosions, assuming you mean Argus. Also, edited in pings don't actually ping @prisma crane :p
undone sun
would assume so
zealous ore
Avoidance BiS
undone sun
at least on argus it is
dusky mica
it's good on some bosses yeah
zealous ore
Its generally rly good tbh
dusky mica
I think I have 2/3 master of shadows
zealous ore
Id pick master of shadows any day
dusky mica
wouldnt say no to 3/3
undone sun
0 MoS traits, not even an option to roll one on my current relics
prisma crane
3x MoS 2x Bastion
dusky mica
as good as avoidance is on argus, you dont need to live forever
and warrior is pretty good already at heroic and mythic scythe strats
zealous ore
Unluck Thyme
undone sun
yeah just helps with overall mitigation, each phase has something that is mitigated with avoidance
dusky mica
this relic system is horrid tbh
undone sun
scythes, soulbomb and bursts, p3 orbs
zealous ore
Its also real nice in M+
dusky mica
hard to cap without MoS traits though
sick sentinel
Rings outta Seat might do some work
zealous ore
Unless youre an rng god yea
sick sentinel
Not sure if i rly wanna farm this dungeon ^^
dusky mica
20
sick sentinel
alright.
dusky mica
2200 rating I think
broken kite
idk wtf people are on about
the paladin tank challenge is about as easy as the vdh one
i.e. a fucking joke
undone sun
at least
ionic fern
Not sure what the context of your argument is..content that you outgear is easy?
ionic fern
THe "Paladin is way harder" started when paladins had more health on their boss when it first came out cause "Ranged interrupt and seraphim and blablabla". That was BLizzard thinking..the fact however was that paladins weren't so far ahead in DPS as they thought
Making paladin challenge a lot harder.
AFter like 2+ nerfs it came in line with others.
Atm the statement "Paladin one is hard" is just outdated.
inner nymph
All mage tower challenges are easy with the current gear
ionic fern
broken kite
not sure why i try
inner nymph
I did moonkin challenge first try last mage tower with 925 0 legys ....
ionic fern
I mean.,.you stated that the paladin challenge is easy..and don't understand why people complain that it's hard..and we explained that it's not hard ANYMORE but it used to be hard before the nerfs/ilvl increase.
It's like i came here saying "IP is fine, idk why people are complaining" - the complaining part was in EN when it was broken..
candid path
Yeah, nothing mage tower-related is hard now unless you're undergeared
Staying awake during the 15-minute healer Mage Tower challenge is kinda difficult, I guess
chrome falcon
these tyrannical 23s are pretty fucking sweaty
spell reflect legs are getting a ton more use than i thought they would though holy crap
sick sentinel
I just tried a riftworld codex in M+, can it be that that one's very underwhelming for prot?
sick sentinel
just wondering if it was smarter to invest in more strength and get more IP out
sick sentinel
Yeah .. im kinda on the same track there kanka. But my rift is 945 flat and alternatives are +10ilvl and more, makin the decision alot easier
Still not sure if that riftworld effect is scaling with ilvl anyways๐ค
ionic fern
Have you logged it in m+?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HdKCRF8vVwJYhgNA#fight=last&type=damage-done
Granted it's from a Paladin PoV.
sick sentinel
Nah just feelycraft and some on-fly details! checks so far. Won't stress my SSD for underwhelming m+ logs imo.
ionic fern
Well, as i said..i don't have it on my warrior so all i can show is what it does on a paladin. : p
RNG is never good as a tank tho.
But i've started liking it.
sick sentinel
But infos on riftworld were pretty rare when i checked last time .. that spelldescriptions tho๐
sick sentinel
Yeah ..guess ill start using it again if i get my hands on a higher one.
ionic fern
You gotta ask a Warrior tho..i don't actually know if it can proc if you have IP active..since you aren't really taking any damage if you have IP up.
On high enough keys it shouldn't be much of a problem i suppose since IP gets consumed pretty fast.
junior igloo
IP is "only" 90 % damage reduction, it's not a full absorb.
junior igloo
That's why debuffs always get applied etc.
ionic fern
I've been living a lie tho..i always thought it's a full on shield.
junior igloo
Well in most realistic situations there is no difference because the absorb limit is the limiting factor.
sick sentinel
does Riftworld effect increase with ilvl or doesnt it? anyone?
ionic fern
That's a good question.
sick sentinel
I know bout doubleproccs and stuff..but didnt get that scaleinfo
ionic fern
@sick sentinel
sick sentinel
:thumbsup:
earnest swallow
Hey guys, right now which are the best prot legendaries?
ionic fern
For what?
DPS or survival.
Bracers are bis survival..the Shield Wall ring is also good with AM and 2pc.
sick sentinel
Would say gloves/belt/bracers and ur pretty much set. Legs for the mechanic cheese.
sick sentinel
just soloed +21 cos last boss
11 min long fight
my hands are still shaking lol
@thorn wind you can just shield block first one and NF second one
no need for cd if there isnt any other damage
timid jay
Do you have bastion relics?
timid jay
would really suggest getting triple bastion for argus and aggramar
thorn wind
can you also do it with just shield block if you got around 8 stacks btw?
timid jay
yup
olive granite
What's better Prydaz or Mannoroth's?
sick sentinel
Prydaz shield isnt a strong thing for tanks. Basically an IP ~30sek
fleet galleon
Mannoroth's is very strong for survivability
sick sentinel
U could lineup the procc with Last Stand for bigger shieldvalue, but however.. prydaz is overall more like a great statstick u wanna swap out asap
unborn island
Idd, the fact that it's nerfecd for tanks by 50% hits us harder than the rest too, due to us having the lowest hp
I have almost the same hp playing fury but get 2x the shield
Any prot warriors likely to qualify for the MDI? Looking at the raider IO scores it seems unlikely (only 1 prot warr > 5k vs about 100 dk's)
unborn island
Levko - maybe could get the 5x +23 in time? I sure as hell couldn't
Sense/Thyme/Krotos maybe too?
Although i guess Sense miught not be keen on doing it again
timid jay
So I cant? ๐ข
unborn island
should have caveated that most of the regulars probably can ;), and certainly all of the stormforged
unborn island
I could do it.....If i got DPS who could survive tyrannical bosses, but GL doing that in pugs
timid jay
If I do it its going to be with guildies
unborn island
yeah, I'm not even that good at M+, but have highest score in my guild by like 500/600 points
so wouldn't work for me ๐
daring aspen
@timid jay
dry crane
@timid jay hey friend
sick sentinel
Copping heat from other warrior tanks in guild for using Kakushans and Thundergod's Vigor instead of subbing one of them for Manacles. Huge uptime on Demo shout feels better to me than the heals from manacles. Should I just give it up and swap, or am I good to go with what I'm using?
uneven beacon
@timid jay how do you do m'lady
austere grove
So I have a question, where can I read up on special "cheese" strats or just higher key strats for keys?
I want to start tanking 20+ keys but only ever done them the "normal" way and on high keys you have to play around mechanics and stuff right?
timid jay
I dont know any compiled lists for cheese like that, closest we have is the spell reflect spreadsheet
restive scroll
Some people do a few things from time to time, but i didn't find anything up to date, and complete so far @austere grove
But you can find out a lot by trying
like you can reflect curators AOE (have to log one to check if it does any damage) which i found pretty cool
@unborn island Don't know, but i'm sure as hell gonna try :)
fleet galleon
@sick sentinel it's up to you and your healers. If you don't feel like you need the extra healing from bracers, don't use them. If you do, you should wear them
celest gate
I never know when to use the artifact ability ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
@restive scroll you sure you can reflect curator aoe
restive scroll
@celest gate not that much lately. I'm only doing a quick HC and MM+ so i use it only on argus to get a stack, and to get a constant flow of mobs
cinder pasture
@sick sentinel Yep you can, I always do it when I'm in upper ๐
Mostly because I'm too lazy to move
unborn island
So wait
restive scroll
@sick sentinel you can reflect the ones that are FALLING, and their tick, not the ones already down. But i'm not sure it does any damage to the boss. waiting for a friend to upload some logs
unborn island
Can you reflect the entire party's blobs?
restive scroll
Yeup, but once again, not sure if the boss takes any damage from it
unborn island
It's more
restive scroll
and remember you have to move the boss, so...
sick sentinel
i have to check that now
restive scroll
In MM0, it wasn't enough to decide, that's why i'm waiting on logs of a quick 17^^
unborn island
Why do you need to move him if you reflect the blobs? Do they still spawn on ground?
restive scroll
yeup
sick sentinel
its just like shadowslash reflect
restive scroll
that would be way too insane *-*
sick sentinel
purple shit is till in ground but you deal like 20m damage back to boss
which is great if you can deal all the lightning damage
restive scroll
yeup, when they are falling down
unborn island
(Sorry for so many q's, just never find any new stuff!)
restive scroll
(no worries, it's pretty funny to do too anyway :p
@sick sentinel On General Xakai from arcway?
shut summit
you can't reflect the spark jumping on curator, you take damage / doesn't reflect
you get the message that you reflect the ground lightning with spell reflect up and standing in it
you don't take damage but doesnt actually do dmg to boss
restive scroll
Thanks for the confirmation
austere grove
where can I find the reflect spreadsheet? is it in the guides resources faq?
shut summit
in the pins in top right
austere grove
ok ty
So does anyone know how to do hyrja? I've seen some people go to the light side until she does her holy bolt then go back to nature side, so she does her sanctify but without any holy stacks
sick sentinel
thnx for clearing out that
and @restive scroll yeah from that boss you can reflect shadow slash and it deals good amount of damage back to boss
restive scroll
@sick sentinel Thank you, didn't know that one. Don't do much arcway, well, not much that can go that far :D (pugs...)
soft condor
So, concerning the reflects
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XG3HPrzt71xn62vW#fight=last&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=60&target=60&view=events looks to me like dargul takes his shot reduced by halve for my spell reflect and then about double the amount from him not using active mitigation?
restive scroll
Still neat
soft condor
as in normal damage on the second hit
6.2% of all damage taken for the boss only his own shots reflected back at him
that's considerable
Naraxas Toxic Retch damage on the other hand is almost nonexistent
barely 1%
restive scroll
We don't take that much from it, guess it's because the boss get buffed
If the boss took 2 or 3 stacks, it might be significant, but the party wouldn't make it
How about the Second boss?
soft condor
I got half of his sunders in that log and it's already at 6.37% of boss dmg taken
restive scroll
With the legs I'm assuming?
soft condor
I believe so, yes. It's been a while but i tend to switch them in for those fights
should be possible to see in my cast history
restive scroll
I don't think you could get half without them anyway :p
even if you only get one more usefull stack during the transition
soft condor
have two casts within 9s, so i definitely had them on, i wonder how often he actually casts
restive scroll
Well, 9s seems about right
it's more frequent than the first boss of mos, which is 12,5 ~
soft condor
they came in about 10s after each other, so that makes sense
So on that 19 fortified Ularog's Sunder did about 7.9m per reflec, Dargul's about 10.45m per reflec. And appearantly the reflected dmg is reduced by SR
soft condor
No, but I remember getting Medivh to 4 stacks once
soft condor
pretty much yes
prisma crane
sometimes cant even hit 3 if he casts it too fast or too slow
soft condor
21% is insane
prisma crane
restive scroll
Only 2 stacks tops
prisma crane
yea, it's just the last one that matters really
soft condor
but as you said - you can't controll if he waits long enough or maybe even too long so the stacks drop
restive scroll
that's the last one that count, for the debuff, not for the damages :/
prisma crane
yea and i've had 3 so fast i wasnt close to having another SR up again
restive scroll
I mean, it's so rng it doesn't seem that good to wait
prisma crane
we're not waiting
it's that if he's fast enough
you dont have SR yet
but if you catch the last tick, the debuff goes up
soft condor
It's about still using the SR to get stacks even if the SR is too late to actually reduce much dmg
prisma crane
and, if you have arcane mage, boomkin, havoc DH, their dps pops the fuck off
did upper on a 21 and our havoc did 6m dps
he got lucky with crits too, but it was insane
restive scroll
Aren't the stacks 10%?
prisma crane
50%
restive scroll
Oh.
soft condor
50% i believe, yes
restive scroll
I knew it seemed weird
restive scroll
maybe, didn't check it for a while
yeah, i understand why it might be nice to reflect the last tick now :')
prisma crane
you're better off saving the SR charge though if you dont have any classes that gain benefit from the stacks
soft condor
it's an interesting point about the Arcane Mages / Demon Hunters, need to remember that when we go there next
restive scroll
Of course, same for me
prisma crane
imo with DH burst, they're probably the best at that fight for it
not to mention melee so if you get the dream winter ability, there's no dps drop
junior ivy
my mythic group fell apart last night cause we could only get 12 people
i am so close to transferring realms after that
stark sage
feelsbadman
junior ivy
yeh it';s so frustrating i just want a couple of mythic kills
i'm not asking for much
i'm 970 ilvl , aotrc, 2200 m+ score. i just want a couple mythic kills to go with it
stark sage
you play on a low pop server?
junior ivy
i tthink i'm good enough for a couple mythic kills
i'm not asking to be cutting edge
yes low pop ๐ฆ
stark sage
yeah rip your only hope is finding another raiding guild and combining rosters
junior ivy
my guild is very against working with another guild to get mythic bosses down
theyre too cmpetitive
competitive*
soft condor
especially when one guild tends to butcher out of the other what they want and then disappear
prisma crane
how can they be competitive if they cant even do it alone?
stark sage
๐ค
restive scroll
Ego
stark sage
but yeah back in BC our guild absorbed 2 other guilds and were able to do 25 hc LK next xpac
on a low pop server
rip those other guilds tho
prisma crane
i get not wanting to merge, that part gets rough, but at least working together for a kill would be nice
put the gear on PL to reduce that drama
junior ivy
nah they are too like "we will get it first, just wait til we have enough people on"\
but we NEVER have enough people on
junior ivy
another guild has been doing mythic pugs every thursday and oinly gets 10-13 people, they asked our guilkd if we wanted to contribute some of our raiders and it was a hard "ABSOLUTELY NOT" at least not in any official capacity
i still join the pugs, i dont care
soft condor
on my realm we can't even find another guild to cooperate with, haha. We have... 3-4 raids actually getting on with mythic and a couple trying to in the realmpool
junior ivy
my realm has like 6-7 guilds that are AOTC
and 2 guilds with mythic kills
1 is 3/11 mythic 1 is 1/11
we are one of the AOTC guilds
i get so jealous of high pop realms
stark sage
if you want to seriously progress mythic you have to play on a high pop server
or get lucky and have a stable roster of smart people
soft condor
which you get only on high pop servers, pretty much
prisma crane
you can get it on lower pop servers, but any RL issues become major problems
people have to be incredibly stable
soft condor
yes - sooner or later you bleed out
we could do some mythic at the end of EN and in NH we already struggled hard to find 20 people every now and then
for ToS we grabbed some random passers by for a couple bosses and now in Antorus no more chance
unborn island
I'd love to get some mythic kills too, the problem is that the pugs on my server will only take people who already have kills >.<
soft condor
That's another issue. No pugging normal mode without curve ๐
timid jay
It can be hard to recruit on bigger realms if you have nothing to bring
At least getting good players
junior ivy
i imagine playing on a hgigh pop relam is such a different experience its like a different game
maybe its not that different but i wouldnt know lol
soft condor
yes, our recruiter always pushed us for getting the hc kills faster and faster because it got harder and harder when you fall down in rankings
sick sentinel
Check wowprogress
You can find guilds on there
They will probably give you a raid trial and if you perform well they will bring you to mythic team
Wowprogress is a great resource for finding guilds
soft condor
Sure, most of the raids are always open for inspiring new aspirants
round hornet
recruiting in general is hard, prolly same as irl job recruiting. The good peeps are not really looking to hop most of the time.
sick sentinel
Don't recruit in general make an thing in wowprogress
junior ivy
it msut be hard to find a guild as a tank eh? most guilds already have enough tanks id imagine
sick sentinel
I found a guild on wowprogress as prot
And I did it on a relatively small server too
Kel'Thuzad
round hornet
Harder as prot that others atm, at least when I looked not that long ago ppl were mainly interested in specific classes
sick sentinel
Servers like sargeras have endless guilds
round hornet
like BDK because they are necessary for agg
sick sentinel
Yeah
If you are good you will get accepted
Most guilds recruit the players not the class
Although a good player with good class is better
prisma crane
yea, Sarg has a ton of guilds
but
depending on what you're looking for, finding a guild can be rough
as a tank
it was rough for me
and i have good logs
timid jay
Did you change guild recently?
prisma crane
no
junior ivy
tbh, i could probably be happy pugging most raids if iw as in a guild that did fun stuff like m+s (high keys) and achievements and stuff
prisma crane
i got into the guild im in now just because i knew 2 ppl in it, both have since left too lol
large servers pug mythic a lot as well
some pugs on my server are like 3/ll i think?
3/11 *
junior ivy
thats amazing
prisma crane
it's just that there's shitloads of alts that are always interested
timid jay
Think we have some 5/11 pugs
junior ivy
but yeah, if i transfer, ill join an active guild that does achievement runs, m+s and stuff, while i wait to find a raiding guild i fit into well
prisma crane
yea im sure some are higher, i just never really looked
timid jay
My realm has a discord server for the better mythic guilds to organize pugs for alts
junior ivy
thats cool!
timid jay
The runs can be a bit hit or miss though
prisma crane
yea, not all alts are created equal
sick sentinel
I found a guild from wowprogress pretty easily
There were a few who wanted a tank
But as prot it is tough
prisma crane
i had several approach me, but i didnt want to go horde and server xfer
sick sentinel
Yeah I stay alliance
prisma crane
there's just a shitload more high end horde guilds than alli
prisma crane
not as much as they did
sick sentinel
But I still like alliance
Even though it's worse
And the server I am on is all alliance
prisma crane
andthe only way that alliance can catch up in raiding is if they become OP enough for guilds to want to faction change
and blizzard wont do that
so if things stay balanced, then there's no reason to change
so things will at best stay the same
prisma crane
you're on Sarg?
prisma crane
oh yea
sick sentinel
Sargeras is 100% horde
timid jay
Think most people will just find it easier to stay horde, mostly since if the majority is horde chances are you dont need to faction change and transfer for a new guild
prisma crane
oh you're talking EU
sick sentinel
I'm talking US
prisma crane
and yea, that's my point Cosmo, unless the motivation is ridiculously high, which blizz would never allow, no one will make the swap
sick sentinel
I'm happy being here on Kel'Thuzad, there are a few good raiding guilds that recruit tanks
Also Invincible recently killed argus
prisma crane
yea, it really sucks for my server ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
Why?
prisma crane
and they were one of the most famous alliance guilds
junior ivy
we now have 3 mythic raiding guilds
soft condor
progress has been had, hehe
prisma crane
top 11...
soft condor
we have 5 mythic guilds but only 9 with 11hc, haha
sick sentinel
timid jay
You're in syzygy right?
prisma crane
yea
prisma crane
we actually made up a lot of rank on the server with Coven and Aggramar
timid jay
Decent amount of guilds on stormscale eu as well
timid jay
Rip ranks this tier though
sick sentinel
Imonar is hard, that's when the difficulty goes up big time
prisma crane
it was unnecessarily hard for us though
round hornet
lots of guilds here as well
prisma crane
we did things stupid for too long
sick sentinel
The bridge is hardest part
prisma crane
we had more wipes on Imonar than any boss until Aggramar
timid jay
So many alliance players ๐
sick sentinel
Alliance is awesome, I used to be horde tho :/
junior ivy
all these screenshots makin me jealous
sick sentinel
When I was in EU
round hornet
We were gonna move horde after KJ but didnt make enough in sales
or something
to pay for everyone
timid jay
lul
sick sentinel
Sales?
timid jay
selling KJ mythic I guess
round hornet
selling guldan mounts
sick sentinel
Oh
soft condor
on wowprogress we have supposedly 12 11hc with 5 on mythic kills
sick sentinel
Cool lol
timid jay
ToS was a pain to reclear
sick sentinel
I don't care about TOS just focusing on antorus
timid jay
Wasn't much incentive either
junior ivy
i lvoe that my guild is 10/11 heroic but wow progress puts us above 3 guilds that are 11/11
cause we got argus before them
timid jay
Nothing special dropped from M KJ so no reason to rekill except for titanforges
junior ivy
we just dont do coven
round hornet
ye I mean before antorus came out but after M KJ we were trying to make money to pay for transfers @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Yeah
I understand
I am hoping that allied races will balance the pvp and Pve thing
round hornet
I doubt it, horde got the cool races lol
sick sentinel
Liek give horde more pvp focused allied race and alliance Pve Focus
round hornet
VE and LFD aren't like OP for pve or anything
would still rather be a belf or hmtauren I think
sick sentinel
Alliance is still okay, could be better tho
I want Kul'tiras humans to be Pve machines
Make me very tanky
Em*
fleet galleon
That would be ridiculous if Horde racials became PvP focussed and alliance ones PvE or vice versa
There would rightfully be a massive meltdown
prisma crane
well it'd be more drama for pvp than pve
fleet galleon
Either way though, people should be able to play what they like without being gimped in some form
prisma crane
yea
just sucks that the damage has already been done to alliance for too long to be reparable
they'd have to offer free faction changes for a period of time to try to help
and they wont
fleet galleon
I don't really play Alliance but I can't imagine their racials are terrible
Like the dwarf one is pretty strong iirc
round hornet
In raids, Alliance racials arent that bad. Only in m+ it become rediculous that horde is op
fleet galleon
It's the belf silence though mostly, isn't it?
compact geyser
Human diplomacy makes me wet
round hornet
the main reason to go horde right now is just because theres already a bigger community in horde
of possible recruits to join ur guild
prisma crane
yea
round hornet
or possible guilds for you to move to
fleet galleon
I remember the troll haste buff was broken by a lot in MoP. I didn't play much before that
compact geyser
Troll haste is still really strong on certain specs. I mained Arcane Mage in EN NH ToS and it was worth like 50k to 100k dps
prisma crane
lol
compact geyser
Kek
prisma crane
that too
fleet galleon
Dat rocket boost?
prisma crane
yea
timid jay
Yeah
fleet galleon
No more getting booped off
compact geyser
Like priests it was almost mandatory right?
prisma crane
DKs i know
fleet galleon
We had it easy with charge for knockbacks in any case
timid jay
Our disc priest changed to goblin just for KJ
compact geyser
I've failed so many knock off mechanics but turned it around with leap. Feels good man
soft condor
So, how good are Mannoroth's bracers in m+? I still have them pretty much by default and switch the second one around. But i keep thinking that a lot of it's healing just is more overheal for the healer. Not really sure.
fleet galleon
I find them useful cos it allows the healer to focus on other people more, knowing I don't need priority attention all the time. Especially on like Tyrannical bosses which target random group members
zealous ore
They are very strong in any m+ where you take considerable damage
fleet galleon
Healer can focus them rather than worry about me
timid jay
I tend to not use bracers except on tyrannical bosses
fleet galleon
But it's also up to your faith in your healers skill and group members common sense. I often pug M+ so both of those are 0 for me
compact geyser
@soft condor my experience is they are still super strong especially if you don't know the healer. If I'm ever with a guild healer I don't run them. Or certain affixes I'll run them. But like depending on the level of the key it usually doesn't matter. Anything below like 17 it's probably over kill I feel.
soft condor
Humn, looking it my last rokmora kill, on 19 fortified they still did about 70% more healing on me then the healer, so I might be undervalueing them
restive scroll
Depending on the gear & skills*
On average in pugs on 20 key, they do around 15% on my total healing
Often closer to 10%
soft condor
So for trash i'd go with belt/gloves instead of belt/bracers, is what I'm reading here
restive scroll
Depending on gear & trust in healer
I also had to do boss without healer, so they are still pretty strong as a catastrophy contengency
soft condor
Well, i tend to have a friend healing, but I believe he puts faith in me not needing much healing
restive scroll
Maybe we have the same friend ! Mine doesn't target me until i'm under 35% hp
soft condor
hehe