The random meta procs just feels bad in raids
#protection
timid jay
halcyon patio
op in pvp aswell I suppose
timid jay
But all the silences and control you get in m+ is really nice
halcyon patio
or the "go to spec"
timid jay
Havent done any pvp on it
halcyon patio
a lot of empty globals and stuff or would you say its more fast paced?
halcyon patio
the feeling I get with warr tanks nowadays is that theyre really slow and its more or less a bear tank but with a shield
also got a dk tank
but was looking for something more "engaging"
i.e monk or dh
timid jay
Warrior tanks are extremely fast
monk is literally a cast sequence macro from what I've heard
halcyon patio
depends on proccs and stuff but yeah
junior ivy
warrior tanks are best tanks for ever possible scenario always and forever. ❤
timid jay
If you have t21 2p warrior tanks are fast
I tend to be above 60 APM
Closer to 70-80 most of the time
halcyon patio
I do have the 2p, also 4p
but thats just shield slam
I see your point though
no fear though
or mass silence
timid jay
Doesnt really impact the speed though
halcyon patio
aye, but control
undone sun
sure, not arguing that though
timid jay
But yeah, it feels a bit lacking in m+, only thing we bring is warbringer and safeguard
halcyon patio
its all about gathering mobs for shockwave
undone sun
in keystones there are better options, we don't disagree
timid jay
You dont want to play shockwave for m+ at all if you have any other AoE stun
halcyon patio
I always tend to do that if pugging though
since you never know what people gonna bring
timid jay
Chances are someone will bring a AoE stun
halcyon patio
DH seems like a jack of all traits more
stark sage
if you are pugging at keys where you need stuns, some1 will be smart enough to have aoe stuns
timid jay
I'd go warbringer either way, provided you have a melee or a pet class with a melee pet
DH is certainly better for m+
undone sun
or a greedy healer
timid jay
If thats what you're looking for go DH
ember arrow
pala healer
undone sun
paladin and druid
timid jay
Does require a bit more communication than a normal pug though
halcyon patio
and demon spikes is more or less warr shield block
ember arrow
no
timid jay
Both are the AM yes
ember arrow
unless u can parry abilities?
timid jay
They fill the same function
undone sun
in the sense they're both active mitigation, but the main difference is parry vs. block which is significant
ember arrow
like smashpite charge?
round hornet
@halcyon patio monk isnt very fast you will probobly be playing with little to no haste and kinda boring tbh
super forgiving tho
ember arrow
let ssee what shit ill get from weekly
halcyon patio
honestly havent touched monk since mop which is why I was wondering, played a bit of dh as bank alt though
lel
timid jay
In raids I find prot pala and warrior to be the most enjoyable and in m+ I much prefer BDK and VDH. Mind you that I dont have a monk or druid
halcyon patio
the lack of mobility as dk is something I do find annoying at times
going from a warr to a blood dk
timid jay
Yeah you feel it, but grips and leech aura just feel so amazing in m+
Not to mention that you dont mind magic burst as much as DK
halcyon patio
if you're really doing high m+ I feel like bdk is better
round hornet
ye dk or dh is the way to go if you like doin keys
halcyon patio
but fun medium level vdh is probably the more fun option
halcyon patio
monk seems like the same rotation over and over though
undone sun
well, monk in general for keys isn't exactly the best either
round hornet
monk has a super set in stone rotation
halcyon patio
cast seq. macro like someone mentioned
round hornet
ye
halcyon patio
DH self healing is on par with DK is it not?
timid jay
No
halcyon patio
while monk is a little less
round hornet
monk has far less healing
ember arrow
not even close
timid jay
DH's has less than DK
round hornet
monk requres the most healing attention of all tanks
ember arrow
in 1 second
my dk at 917 can get 26mil hp
same as my 971 warrior with 90% LS relics
halcyon patio
any idea which are the bis leggies for vdh? just to get an idea of gameplay they will have fully geared
ember arrow
Demon Hunter (The Fel Hammer): https://goo.gl/DqikKN
dusky mica
swap it for my sweltering cloak?
you get run speed when you take fire damage!
just what I needed
halcyon patio
1 demon hunter per realm is triggering me to shit though
esp since I have 1 as bank currently
doesnt start well 🤷
halcyon patio
well yeah
but with it as a bank alt already
it takes a shitload of sorting and shit
merry cave
Have any of you guys done 22/23 Cath as a war, just feel like I can't pull as hard as how the dh/dks do in vids so we don't make timer
winged marsh
so much of cath comes down to how you handle the opening room and hallway, the rest of the dungeon is pretty much a meme. we have a lock dot the miniboss to pull him right away, grab the two initial packs and the patrol and blow everything on it with lust. Saves you a ton of time
ember arrow
exactly
miniboss with 2 packs bl
dotn get hit by cleave of adds
devastating strike i think its called
warm plinth
Yeah, lil bitty cone in front. I imagine that trucks hard on those high fort keys D:
ember arrow
oneshots
winged marsh
yea, derped out hard on a 23 cath last week and got hit by cleave. Run back charged and got cleaved again instantly lol
im a dps tho
warm plinth
Tfw I don't do high enough keys to have to care. It's the silver linings boys.
winged marsh
cruisin through life my dude
warm plinth
That's right
round vortex
Yup 15-17+ only for me
winged marsh
using khaz as prot will never give a panth proc right? and the equip effect is reduced?
undone sun
in antorus you can get the pantheon empowerment
warm plinth
AFAIK it still procs the pantheon proc. You're just taking the tank proc out of play by using it
winged marsh
yea, just doing bitch duty on vari
figure may as well wear some stuff that does dps
round hornet
ur gonna benefit ur raid's dps more if u use tank trinket prolly
junior ivy
i did dht 16 on tyrannical and 2 chested it. ON TYRANNICAL.
sick sentinel
Good dps then
dusky mica
catfriend <The Beast>
junior ivy
coven heroic.. i'm scared. bout to attempt.
merry cave
To what?
left meteor
There's no reason to take a 4th cleave on Heroic tbh
merry cave
We do it for dps uptime if a storms up, but we also tank swap spots rather than taunt mobs to swap their spot
languid rose
if gloom is up you can swap without losing dps uptime 🤷
junior ivy
what is a rock elemental
it was tanking one of the bosses on coven
so we couldnt
tank
left meteor
Shaman summon
merry cave
Probably, but a 4th stack also can't kill a tank unless there undergeared significantly or asleep
Works for us at least 👍
junior ivy
might do ok this pull if rock elemental doesnt try to tank a boss
junior ivy
heroic
cinder nova
What's the intervals for summon reinforcements on M AHC?
junior ivy
coven is super hard
junior ivy
reallyt?
languid rose
it's more just getting used to hiding from storm while not blowing eachother up and wishing you had more ranged because aman'thul is up
winged marsh
Yea you only need to have tanks on the fire one
someone with a taunt can just hold shadow
junior ivy
they didnt wanna d oit that way. we wipoed. gavce up. oh well
round vortex
We use a fool proof strat on Coven
clear sapphire
@junior ivy I had to argue with my RL for us to have do tank the caster boss(s). He was so worried if both melee bosses were up at same time ;)
DPS*
round vortex
We get a melee DPS to tank the Night boss (asira?) and the other tanks just swap the fire boss back and forth at 2 stacks - never take a 3rd stack ever. Then there is no crossing over.
We normally kill it before fire and frost are out together. But if it gets to that stage just tank one each. Still swapping on 2 stacks.
the frost boss doesn't cleave so you can tank it anywhere. and if you are super dooper scared - spec into avatar that fight - you can free urself. Also - Blessing of freedom works as well
On the pull however we tank one each jsut to build a dick load of threat for the melee DPS to taunt off lol
Then jsut one tank peels off and gets fire bitch after 2 stacks EZ PZ
junior ivy
that sounds easy
i wish we coulda tried it
but tbh we didnt have the dps anyway
we only had 3 dps over a million
cinder nova
Old War > PP for DPS?
stray hemlock
You can use spell reflect on 3rd rebuff to trivialize it
weak mesa
we are about to start mythic coven prog and i have no idea what the mechanics are in heroic
stray hemlock
Just learn it on mythic. No worries
weak mesa
the bosses seem to just have visual mechanics that people dodge/spread out, i have no idea what any boss does lol, on my DK tank so i mass grip the walking adds... then the bosses die...
stray hemlock
The only one that matters is noura on heroic. She has a frontal aoe cleave, fiery strike, that she does every 10-15 secondsish. Diima is the frost add that has no frontal aoe. But does a stacking slow debuff. Asara doesn't melee invheroic so dk paladin usually tanks her
Noura throws her sword and it swirls back to her and does aoe damage to anyone it passes through until it gets back to her
lament basin
Man being able to leap out of shared suffering on attumen makes that fight 10x less stressful
warm plinth
I'm gonna pretend to be a DK on that fight next time I do it. I'm not even gonna use shoulders; just gonna pop BC and run out 🙃
timid jay
Boots? 👀
warm plinth
Yep
I actually just got leap shoulders though. It's pretty comical how fast I can get places
BC sprint, leap, run 170% for 3 seconds, leap, run 170% for 3 seconds, leap, run 170% for 3 seconds 😂
fleet galleon
More healing than damage from my understanding
royal cobalt
runic palm
any1 been the 3rd tank on Margus? can give me tips
cinder nova
For a second I was wondering who the fuck Margus was.
I think it was either Thyme or Cosmo that was.
Someone was asking about CD rotations
runic palm
orlly
ok ill keep an eye out for either of them
i cant imagine prot has much of a hard time
timid jay
Took me way too long to understand mythic argus
.<'
I'm not doing that job myself, are you only soaking orbs in p3?
ripe vale
what are the best lego for prot now
undone sun
bracers/gloves/belt
round vortex
Pins mate 😃 But TLDR is defensively its a combo of Gloves / Belt / Bracers / Shield Wall Ring
depending on gear set up and fight type.
@undone sun Can you add a new image to the pins and screenshot that exact conversation lol
@junior ivy Are you US or OCE?
undone sun
lol if only i could pin
sick sentinel
Any OCE warriors that I can add ingame for some advice?
junior ivy
US @round vortex
round vortex
@sick sentinel Me 😃
@junior ivy Ahh i was going to offer you a Coven kill so you could see the strategy live. But that would be 12:30am for u
junior ivy
i saw it once but i was basically carried so i didnt get to exprience the tanking
im in a pug for it right now
ive never tried to pug coven, i wonder hoiw they ususally go
round vortex
like a fart in church i'd imagine
junior ivy
lol 😦
prisma crane
getting Argus to like 40-45% and dying without fail
junior ivy
after struggling with my guild in copven heroic all night
and giving up
and never getting them to 50% even
i just one shotted it ina pug.
and i got an upgrade.
undone sun
nice
junior ivy
it was so easy..
warlock tanked the purple girl. me and pally traded off on fire one then ice
they died before we had fire and ice together
look how low i got my crit !!
round vortex
@junior ivy Perfect 😃 Same strat i mentioned above lol
junior ivy
yeah it was like soo easy
round vortex
and gratz on those tasty boots!
junior ivy
i gotts convince my guild to do that strat
instead of having tanks taunt swap and bosses running across the room every 20 seconds
round vortex
Yeah its a huge DPS loss
like if they cross when a warrior uses Battle Cry - RIP dps, or a mage using combustion one a bracer proc etc... just total balls
warm plinth
Nice, I got my crit down to 11% 💪
warm plinth
It was up to 25% until recently. The last few items I've gotten were 0 crit compared to high crit
That mastery though
undone sun
better
deft sapphire
0% avoidance rip
junior ivy
thyme you got the best x-mog in the game ❤
undone sun
lol
undone sun
i switch out a ring and trinket to get 11.38% for argus
deft sapphire
Don’t need no mos traits
I was considering farming seat for the avoidance ring set for m+
warm plinth
Got these recently
undone sun
friend kept trying to get me to do seats
warm plinth
undone sun
🙅
warm plinth
Sorry for pic spam
runic palm
@timid jay escort shit p1 w/e soaking all orbs once in p2 i believe then soaking orbs p3
warm plinth
They showed up bigger than I expected lol
undone sun
lol
warm plinth
I'm at 11% crit, 30% haste, 12% vers and 39% mast. Not too bad I don't think
undone sun
yeah, not bad
deft sapphire
There’s no orb soakin in p2 just the soul bombs
warm plinth
Nice
deft sapphire
That’s higher than my prot!
warm plinth
I think we have the same helm lol
deft sapphire
Cause I don’t use the tank trinket lol
warm plinth
Is that subterranean horror faceguard?
warm plinth
Me too. Come on mythic dungeon weekly; make it happen
It's how I got my 955 fel emitter on my mistweaver.
round vortex
im at 46% haste and about 55% mastery atm. Only 965 ilvl
runic palm
bombs yeah thats what i mean
deft sapphire
All the damage that gets redirected to you through avatar of aggramar is physical damage, but the aoe you receive from explosions is magic
warm plinth
Only things that have crit in my gear are my leggings. Actually wondering how I still have 11%. Do we have a bace amount of crit?
base**
deft sapphire
Artifact weapon?
junior ivy
ugh so much of my gear has crit
warm plinth
tfw my haste will probably be around 30% forever because I have a 985 mast/vers ring
deft sapphire
Tfw complaining about a 985
round vortex
lol i have a neck with over 3k haste, a ring with 2450 and then TWF has like 3500
warm plinth
I'm not complaining. It's like a happy/sad feeling 😄
junior ivy
if i had a 985 item iw ouldnt care what stats it had. gimme a 985 with intellect id consider using it cause i love ilvl so much
warm plinth
I'm actually still using a 910 neck because I can't seem to get a better one. I've even started rolling for one on relinq tokens
Nah I don't care. And mast/vers is pretty damn good
round vortex
I have a 960 neck with 3k haste and 1200 versa. Just got a 970 Neck from Varimathras which is 2700 haste and 2k mastery or something. So i dropped the 300 haste
undone sun
warm plinth
Hot damn
undone sun
from vari
warm plinth
That's sexy
junior ivy
wow
deft sapphire
I assume that’s a bonus roll
undone sun
oh yeah
deft sapphire
I would not give that to a prot warrior over every dps spec that would cream over that neck haha
warm plinth
Best idea blizz ever had: making bonus rolls non-tradeable
So they can't take sexy stuff like that from us
undone sun
no way in hell i'm getting it over two other dps warriors
warm plinth
Almost 10% haste from one item lol
FeelsGoodMan
I just need a higher ilevel version of mine. It's the one from Upper Kara. Haste>>>>vers, and has leech on it
warm plinth
I don't even do the mission quests because I get LFR caches 🙄
round vortex
really?
undone sun
rip
warm plinth
Yeah, not worth tolerating pugs to even get it when it's likely not gonna be anything worth equipping
I just raid vicariously through my mythic dungeon event every 5 or 6 weeks and get my heroic ATB loot haha
fleet galleon
Had 2 of those necks drop 2 weeks ago at 965 and 960. Was running as Fury, still didn't get one 😦
sick sentinel
on argus you can press the spider eggs for a haste increse up to 50% for 5 minutes and I was able to have 100% uptime one sb with 87% haste
so where did 117% come from
tight tree
Hi. Got 965 Diima's with socket. Replace Darkmoon with it or use both, what do you think? Also got 955 Apocalypse drive. And 930 Titanguard if need so soak burst.
sick sentinel
use apocalypse drive and diimas
undone sun
dependent on the fight
deft sapphire
You can have 100% for a while but you lose charges eventually
warm plinth
Indeed. Important to remember that charges don't recharge independently. Eventually you would run into a situation where you didn't have it available.
deft sapphire
If you have 117% haste your sb recharge time is 13/2.17
Which makes it just less than 6s the duration of sb
With 87% haste you can probably have sb going for like 2.5 minutes math is hard but it’s a while (72 seconds i THINK) before it’ll actually drop because you have 12 seconds of reserve with two charges lol @sick sentinel
cinder nova
What if you went ararat's
deft sapphire
it would increase the leeway by a lot, so you'd have it consecutively for probably double the amount of time but you'd still not be able to reach 100% uptime with any less haste
knotty oak
On my guardian druid. Wish it has haste..still not bad...
warm plinth
Not bad though
knotty oak
I’m trying to gear my warrior atm. At that awkward stage we’re I can’t get into antorus lfr yet but not much in heroics for me. Guess I gotta go back and do TOS, or get lucky with a legendary or greater rift drop.
warm plinth
Don't you only have to be like 890 to do Antorus?
warm plinth
Get you some of that veiled argunite wipes veiled argunite powder off nose
knotty oak
Yeah. Lol.
deft sapphire
every time i level an alt i just get it carried through m+ haha
then i can join all the lfrs i want etc
ionic fern
The only people i know are DPS'ers so i got no healer/tank friends who could carry me.
😢
warm plinth
Most of my toons are tanks or healers so it's generally pretty easy to get into low keys for me
I got invited to a +7 a couple weeks ago on my prot pally. He's got no legendaries and was like 882 at the time
warm plinth
What?
ionic fern
Think i gotta claim my chars on raider.io so they can see the "Main's score".
Maybe i'll get in then
warm plinth
Who even looks at score for a +10 though
ionic fern
I'm a dick tho. Was in a heated argument and the person was like "No, fuck off, you're too noob and low ilvl to tank it"
So i logged my main..signed to the grp..got insta invited..they started the key and i left.
I'm a terrible person
😢
Done it only once tho.
😂
warm plinth
What's your main?
ionic fern
Prot paladin
warm plinth
Ah
ionic fern
Almost 3.6k on it so i knew i'd get insta invited. :p
warm plinth
I kinda wanna finish my brewmaster just to see which tank makes me wanna kms in M+ more: guardian or brew
ionic fern
Brew is fine in m+ tho.
😮
And once you get chest/shoulders the rotation becomes gucci as well
warm plinth
Is it? Seems like it'd be rough in PUGs with the lack of self-sustain.
ionic fern
You actually have a lot of self sustain as Brewmaster ..especially once you get Codex.
😄
Well, maybe " a lot" is a overstatement..but enough self sustain. 😄
warm plinth
What self sustain do they have? I don't have a lot of experience with them but I played one a bit in NH and did the mage tower and all that
knotty oak
I had my warrior up to 63, boosted one when I got my BfA token. Set they give you as prot literally has 0 haste, haste wasn’t even listed in my secondary stats... so tanking on mine kinda shit lol. Iv been able to work up to 12%. Idk how a key would go.
ionic fern
The orbs - granted they are RNG but they drop a ton of them..+ healing elixir + guaranteed orb at lower health
warm plinth
Tbh I doubt it would be that bad, depending on how high the key was.
knotty oak
He does have that high mt racial. Woot.
warm plinth
Haste is definitely a huge boost to QoL, but you should be fine with that
deft sapphire
to be fair i think a lot of specs feel like shit if you have 0% haste
knotty oak
Is that applied before or after IP/Sheild block.
warm plinth
DRs happen before absorbs iirc
deft sapphire
monks aren't a class, they are a pest taking away prot tokens from innocent warriors so i dont count them
warm plinth
AHR probably.
ionic fern
Aight.
warm plinth
I always forget how absorbs are prioritized. It's like duration or size or something
ionic fern
On a side note..i figured out how to make dogs obselete on the level i'm doing them on my warrior..x2 IP right before Maw and you take almost no damage 😄
warm plinth
Pretty sure Thyme has told me like 806 times at this point
undone sun
ahr is first, yeah
warm plinth
I tanked a daily heroic as BrM the other day on my WW and forgot I still had niuzao from the mage tower
It felt horrible not having RJW
ionic fern
Feels bad.
I feel like this reset..is the one that i'm actually gonna get a decent prot warrior legendary.
Bracers..or hands or waist. 😮
warm plinth
I'm pretty close to not having any shitty ones left
Still have Destiny Driver and Soul out there though D:
ionic fern
What's Destiny Driver?
ionic fern
o.o
warm plinth
Thyme upgrade it, you know you want to
undone sun
fuck no
ionic fern
Shit, i got that one left as well..and the heroic leap shoulders
undone sun
yeah they're in my speed set, 👌
knotty oak
So with the high mt Tauren racial, it will reduce initial hit, then IP the rest?
warm plinth
Oh are you talking about the actual damage reduction thing? I'm not sure.
knotty oak
Yeah.
warm plinth
It would be better if it reduced after everything else, but I don't know that that's how it works
knotty oak
IKR. That would be so good.
ionic fern
Since all the paladins are sleeping in the prot discord...HC is doable with 2/2/6 without fucking up the scaling, right?
fossil spindle
940? Not even 910?
knotty oak
Yeah but portal can be a challenge, same amount of imps spawn.
graceful oyster
Yesterday my ally and h2 prot warrior get 2 legendaried
Ally: bracer and shield ring
H2: sephus and double talent ring
serene plover
morning friends. im to replace our sick tank for tonights antorus HC and mythic farm and have barely touched prot for ~1 1/2 months. could any of you help me out with a good general talent setup for ant?
deft sapphire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17#class=Warrior&spec=Protection try the one build 😄
unborn island
For parse-cheesing purposes, are there any situations where you think a Diima's would be better than a 965 Memento? Thinking maybe Eonar....and perhaps AHC? Otherwise would think the memento should win, thoughts?
Perhaps PK too, depending on lining it up with adds?
lone umbra
so I've been playing around with the gear I have on my warrior and I'm getting 10+ equipped ilvl between 4pc ToS/2pc Antorus set to 4pc Antorus with gloves/belt and a 980 chest off garothi...this is that point that I think about wearing antorus 4pc full time now? like progression and such?
sorry if I worded that poorly, it's late here and I've been up 👁 👁
warm plinth
You'd probably be just fine using 4pc T21
lone umbra
yea that's what I'm thinking too, 10 overall ilvl difference is a LOT of stats....
warm plinth
Even if it is better survival wise (it probably is tbh), you don't necessarily need all of the survival that the combo offers
lone umbra
that is also true, there are a lot of times I'm just refreshing a capped IP
warm plinth
And you'll definitely get more DPS out of using higher ilevel gear
unborn island
That's stupid.
reckon the first and last bosses are maybe doable, but I think the 2nd one would be impossible
not to mention the trash
sick sentinel
any specific builds or items you using for Ivanyr
caster boss in Arcway
im using lego pants and bracers but still those blasts is just melting my IP stacks
ionic fern
Get your DPS to interrupt.
😄
It's shit on higher keys especially if they overlap their interrupts.
But if they do a decent order it shouldn't be too much of a problem
sick sentinel
i just did +23 and that boss was just not fun
i kept reflect up for overlaps but still damage was absurt
ionic fern
SOTR btw. 😉
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
😄
But jeah..well +23 on tyrannical is gonna hurt no matter what class you are.
What trinkets were you running?
sick sentinel
arcano and amanthuls
maybe i should have stamina trinket also or crit damage reduction trinket forgot its name
ionic fern
WHOD
Whod is really good vs magic damage.
If that's the one you ment
STM trinkets probably would have not helped much.
sick sentinel
i mean stamina trinkets that gives absorb
healer was not that good also maybe i could have easier time there with good helaer
sick sentinel
only overlaps was the problem
other parts i was just spamming IP
shield block is useless there so didnt even wasted rage for that
unborn island
One day I look forward to doing keys high enough where me dying to the boss other than stupid 1 shots is something which I need to consider
timber snow
not likely since this is how rifting works in diablo and they never considered changing it
ionic fern
I mean
If you do 22+ tyrannical
Most bosses are somewhat threatening
Depending on the grp/gear ofc.
sick sentinel
some bosses with tyranical is just hard and everything oneshots
sick sentinel
xavius is one of the hardest ones
its hard to play around every ability
Hyrja is bad also
unborn island
I always though that Xavius is hard because everyone else dies...
unborn island
Hyrja only kills the tank with shield of light though?
sick sentinel
and just using one cd is more then enough to survive big aoe
Yea but it kills the rest of the group
with the bolts and expel lighting
unborn island
I'm talking about stuff which kills tank without 1 shots :)
sick sentinel
moroes in tyranical if people dont interpt empowered arms
amount of damage you take is insane
unborn island
That too I guess
Moroes is just a pile of shit if people aren't sensibru
first boss on CoEN on Tyrannical I guess hits relatively hard
when the flower is up
sick sentinel
oh smash is not that high damage
unborn island
unless i'm missing something
sick sentinel
but the add is just stupid dps
you have stun every cast
after like 2 cast you start taking insane damage
unborn island
MFW warbringer and the melee dps doesn't stand close enough 😦
sick sentinel
or when you are in a group with no melee people dont care about that add because its tank damage
its tanks fault if he dies
ionic fern
Hyrja/Xavius are terrible for others..not for tanks.
😄
Ugh, was a bit scrolled up so late for the conversation.
😒
sick sentinel
medivh is terrible for other tanks also
unborn island
I sometimes struggle on 1st boss in VotW too, mainly when he uses the glaive knockback and there's a whole bunch of other dmg happening at once
sick sentinel
but we can just reflect that shit
ionic fern
And paladins can just interrupt pretty much everything. 😂
unborn island
Attumen, since I realised I can dodge shared suffering is an absolute joke
sick sentinel
he follows cast again but just before cast happens he jumps back
but if you can solo it it helps also boss now moving around is more deeps
unborn island
I guess he didn't even try to re-cast shared suffering last week
came, melee'd me once or twice, then did Mortal strike
perhaps they changed it
warm plinth
Idk. I'm sure it has something to do with time or health %; I've had him try to recast it twice after the initial one before jumping back on Midnight
ionic fern
I think my record was 3 seconds.
3 casts*
When i was on my VDh
Jumped out..ran to me..started casting again
etc.
warm plinth
It's nice on VDH, literally just glide out of it lol
ionic fern
Only tank i take it like a man with is my paladin.
😄
Luckily i got enough CD's for it.
😄
unborn island
I opened a legendary things as arms the other day, and got a package which gives me a druid leggo
I don't have all the arms leggos?
junior igloo
You should have not only all arms legendaries, but all warrior legendaries for this to happen (except crafted and quest ones).
Double check and if you are sure that's not the case, you can open a ticket.
unborn island
yeah, definitely don't have Archavon's heavy hand
will do ticket this evening
Only spec i think i have everything for is prot
stray hemlock
How do you avoid shared suffering?
timid jay
Leap or intercept someone
unborn island
when he starts the cast, just GTFO
unborn island
No
stray hemlock
That just makes tyrannical more less a joke for attunmen
ionic fern
Not when he starts tho.
When he is about to end
The fucker runs fast as fuck if you jump as he starts casting
He will probably run to you before it ends and still kill you.
😄
Also tell your DPS'ers you're going to do it and/or mark a spot on the ground.
Otherwise the poor DPS'ers are gonna get 1 shot since they expect you to stand still.
Had plenty of people get 1 shot after i jumped out of shared suffering while the boss was trying to follow me with it.
copper bane
I'm going to start aggramar mythic mode tonight, any tips?
Foe breaker can be mitigated with block + ignore pain or do we need shield wall ?
timid jay
foe breaker is just SB
doesnt hit hard at all
If you need to take 2 in a row, just safe NF for the second
copper bane
Nice
sick sentinel
wtf I got kicked from aggramar lfr just becasue I didnt now he would start with flame rend
isnt foe breaker a thing in lfr?
unborn island
I haven't done it, but i guess not?
I guess it's kinda like maiden
There was no infusions initially, so got really surprised when they showed up for the orb stage, everyone proceeds to blow each other up
because there's been no stacking before that
junior igloo
LFR is 4x Flame Rend
sick sentinel
so they removed an ability to only make the boss harder for people who only have done nm hc and mythic
untold moth
I got the trinket from mythic doggos yesterday
Pretty much because nobody else wanted it
fleet galleon
It's decent at very high ilvl but better options do exist so it's not very popular
junior ivy
i caused a wipe on aggramar LFR last weedk because i wsnt expecting flame rend and kept waiting for foe breaker
so stupid that he doesnt do it in lfr
jaunty crescent
no foe breaker, just techniques, then 4 rends in a row, then the techniques, rends, fire elementals, repeat
junior ivy
yeah it really confused me lol
sick sentinel
@Worldcrusher#3675 u there?
sick sentinel
Need a download version of that Arms guide - go fix that dude! 😁
verbal socket
anyone know how often mythic aggramar casts empowered flare? how do I check it in the logs, i can't see it under casts
sick sentinel
Woop - mention didnt work 😳 thx Cosmo
untold moth
@fleet galleon got it in 965 ilvl
imagine if aggramar did the boe breaker, it would instantly kill half of the raid instead of just killing the unaware tank xd
fleet galleon
Still depends on your alternatives
untold moth
I use it only for DPSing as tank, since it gives STR
fleet galleon
You'd be better off with a haste stat stick or high ilvl Cradle cos the Armor is no good for dps
Even the tank pantheon trinket is pretty good for dps
untold moth
Yeah but I mean, you want that extra armor anway, its useful
fleet galleon
Of course armor is never bad. But if you're going for dps, might as well go hard
sick sentinel
STR isnt a pure offensive stat either tho🤔
I like my Eye of whatever .. CUZ STILL NO DIIMAS!!!:sob:
fleet galleon
Strength is mainly offensive. Also, what stat is only offensive?
And I'm not saying Eye is bad. Just that there are better options available at similar ilvls. If you don't have alternatives, it's decent and not 
timber snow
pair 960 eye with 940 djimas..soooo much armor
prisma crane
@unborn island you probably "got them" without actually getting them, it's the same issue i had with my Kaku's
timber snow
ill switch eye probably at 960 panteon trinket (which is 955 atm)
till then, ill enjoy my 15k armor
still bummed that imonar dot pierce through armor
fleet galleon
I've only tanked him on heroic but I didn't feel like the dot was too bad
prisma crane
"most" bleeds do
imonar does a shitload of tank dmg on mythic
particularly if you clear the mines on P2
fleet galleon
I don't doubt it. But I'm also never gonna see it as tank so
timber snow
i mean, i get 60% reduction on physical damage but when it comes to dots, yeah, useless TT
prisma crane
yea but dot dmg is scaled to account for that, but yea it sucks
timber snow
also, had pretty funny normal vari (i know, still hesitant to pug hcs) where the other tank didnt care about shadowstrike....so, i survived shadowstrike while actively tanking, prot so strong
btw, is there even a scenario where bear can out-threat warrior on pull?
prisma crane
good bears can do a lot of threat, but idk, prob if they are much better geared
as for the vari thing
there's down time between debuffs, even if solo tanking
so surviving the extra dmg during the debuff is worse than each respective shadowstrike
timber snow
you mean his aura dot or whatever it is?
sick sentinel
w/o taunt everything is possible :slight_smile:
timber snow
well, when it hit me and he didnt taunt i said to myself, this is where we wipe...but survived with like 20% hp and last stand active
prisma crane
so his melees are much stronger
timber snow
oh really? i thought it only prevented healing
prisma crane
no
timber snow
atleast on normal
atomic steeple
Do you wear 4p with prot?
amber siren
Ya it's still the physical dmg increase
prisma crane
i ended up solo tanking him in a 25ish man raid
timber snow
wow
prisma crane
just have to make sure you have SB up during the debuff more than outside of it
and LS still heals
prisma crane
@atomic steeple it's certainly fairly strong for survivability
atomic steeple
Thanks I remember people saying it wasn't the best at the start of this teir
was just checking
round hornet
I think maroks blog said it would b better w/ ilvl just wasnt gonna replace mythic tos tier with normal abt tier
timber snow
the 2t21 is super strong, 4p is more like small-medium buff to ip
prisma crane
@atomic steeple in the ptrthe extra IP was only added if you had an active IP up
on live if you dont have an IP up, you get a buff that adds the IP to your next IP cast
and that buff can stack
so basically none of the procs are wasted
fleet galleon
And the amount was also smaller on PTR right?
prisma crane
afaik that didnt change
it's based on your attack power
so more ilvl means more IP
prisma crane
idk, maybe @calm cove would know
sick sentinel
Plus, to get the info together: it has an 1 sek. internal CD, so it is stronger against frequently inc. hits
timber snow
@prisma crane thing is, 4 bonus in game still read "active IP"
prisma crane
yes, but that still doesnt make it bad against a boss w/ a 1.5 sec swing timer, just about 33% less great
timber snow
so many get confused
prisma crane
yea, it's a poorly worded tooltip but they prob dont care since we're so underrepresented anyways
calm cove
what do I know
timber snow
i have currently 5 pieces but wear only 2 since i would have to drop 15-25 ilvls to get 4 set
prisma crane
if the scaling for the 4p IP boost changed since beta
round hornet
I mean tooltips in this game are garbage and dont represent what they do in plenty of cases
timber snow
and strenght easily make the difference in ips
prisma crane
ptr, yea sorry
calm cove
they changed that it procs while IP isnt up so you can use it for the next one
Idk about other changes
undone sun
very early on it looks like it was AP * 1 instead of AP * 4 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
https://puu.sh/zynSN/317d7f6550.png https://puu.sh/zynUu/b9b65991bd.png but after that it stayed consistent
timber snow
"lets remove abilites from classes so they are not confusing and/or complicated" "wrong tooltip on set pieces, lol, nothing confusing here"
round hornet
BrM has a wrong tooltip on their artifact ability still iirc
since they nerfed for KJ but didnt change tooltip
timber snow
blizz is so inconsistent with their tooltip policy, they've become very consistent
tepid carbon
Hey guys what weakaura do u suggest ?
undone sun
depends on what you need, there are general spec suites on wago.io that have a lot of info but most of the time unnecessary info, then there are specific ones in the pins of #ui-addons-manager like Shield block tracker, IP tracker, etc.
junior ivy
i use a weakaura that just shows me coloured bars for stuff like ignore pain, shield block, demo shout, battle cry
just so i know how long theyre up for and when they run out
its really helpful
but i dontr use any of the big fancy ones on wago.io that do your entire rotation
round vortex
Upper 15 in 13 mins bois
junior ivy
really?!
round vortex
haha nice
prisma crane
but was fun, pulled everything from 2nd boss to 3rd boss in 2 pulls
and then all the dudes from 3rd to last in one pull
tried to do the room before 2nd boss as one, but healer was a priest and i dont have a mass grip, but it went as well as it could
junior ivy
i wanna try a high upper kara but ive always bveen scared of it on tyrannical cause of last boss
round vortex
Warrior is god tier on Upper
prisma crane
high keys teh worm is your worst enemy
last boss is cake
ESP if you have 2-3 range dps and can just cheese the second phase
junior ivy
oh god i just applied to BRH 18 and it said "3k+ .io score only"
round vortex
ours only coelenced once lol
prisma crane
i did a 25 upper the other wk, fortified, if not for a couple wipes on the worm we'd have cleared it no problem
that guy sucks
@timid jay we got to 37% last night, progress
lol
fleet galleon
3 chested a +16 Nelths this week
timid jay
👏
prisma crane
but we still have to really improve on the chains and dodging edges while spreading for rage
nice!
fleet galleon
Probably the fastest I've done anything over 12
prisma crane
nice
junior ivy
ok everyone left this +18 gropup i was in lol
prisma crane
.<
prisma crane
as much as i'd love to kill argus before any real nerfs go out, i'd also really like some to roll out so i can get the kill before my guild has any more problems
fleet galleon
If people are asking for stuff like 2k+ etc I usually check the leader's score too. Often they're <1k and it's doomed from the start
winged marsh
anytime someone posts a score in the title you know its cause theyre trash
"20 mos 3k plus" is 2100
fleet galleon
I've seen people want 2.5k+ for like a 12 when their score is ~500
junior ivy
i always just put "nice people only" but uusally i only invite 2k score and above
unless its a lower key
fleet galleon
Not suggesting that 2k isn't a reasonable score to ask for when going 15+
But it's the people with a < 1k score doing the asking. Which is stupid imo
winged marsh
yea
ill join a key if I see one of them is lower and just carry through it
but when they demand a score , they're pretty much demanding to be carried and its annoying lol
tall dock
Lol. Rip raider io- can I just have a quality group go at pace and not super suck your 🍆 monster pulls?? My raiderio score is pooop but I can pull my weight in 15-17s.
It's about having quality players - you know the mecanix.
winged marsh
the craziest i saw was a 22 maw wanting 4k players
reasonable enough
but the dude was 900 score with no alt score
dunno how he even got a 22 key rofl
tall dock
I main a feral Druid. My burst and aoe dps is more than enough for sub 19. But nooo. Your io is poop insta declined.
junior ivy
im tryin so hard to reach 2500 score but its really hard
tall dock
On a side note. As a prot war tier 75 talents. One buddy says take devestator another says anything but that.
Thoughts.
winged marsh
isnt devaster a must have?
round vortex
lol your mate is bonkers
tall dock
Lol.
junior ivy
this is the only thing about prot warriors i can say with 100% certainty
winged marsh
pretty sure its the most viable in that row
junior ivy
take devestator.
winged marsh
in all situations
tall dock
Ok ok. I just boosted mine from 90. Hadn't touched em in a while.
Man. Had to duck there for a second.
junior ivy
iu got accepted to seat +19
round vortex
lol enjoy that nightmare
My brother just got this on his alt in a pug... what a DICK! lol
tawny crown
thats a thing of beauty
round vortex
sure is 😃 Mine is only 970 so he 1 upped me lol
tawny crown
Im struggling for amulets. Have to settle for 950 Haste/Crit one from Cath atm
Haste heavy though, so not bad
sick sentinel
@round vortex whats the addont that tell you what other people want that item
round vortex
It's called "Best in Slot"
each person inputs their list with a very easy interface then it shares it with the group / guild.
@tawny crown I just got 2 in quick succession so can't complain lol. One is 960 with over 3k haste and the other is a 970 choker 😃
opaque flax
anyone know why the pins tab goes behind discord? dont know how to explain it
every other tab is fine for pins minus this one
round hornet
prolly just you
timid jay
try ctrl+r
opaque flax
yeh i closed discord out completely and reloaded it
tawny crown
@round vortex The 3k haste on from upper?
round vortex
@tawny crown Not sure lol it was from a weekly chest. and @opaque flax Sure does mate
fleet galleon
There's a cap of up to 3 full 60 rage IP casts
opaque flax
aight
round vortex
If doing the challenge here are my tips:
Don't go above 5 stacks in Phase 1
Use shockwave to stun boss + adds
Don't rush to push phase and try kill infernals before pushing (not mandatory)
Phase 2: MUST interrupt annihilate, MUST spell reflect Twisted Reflections
Don't stop moving.
In phase 1 u can spell reflect his cast as well. Also if you have no options left when he uses drain life - Velen's little bubble is another option to interrupt
opaque flax
nice, thanks man
honest echo
Don't stop moving is the big one I'd say. Maybe even use spell reflect on some of the stomps
and be sure to dodge the infernals' attacks!!
round hornet
diima
prisma crane
i'll second Diima's as well
turbid horizon
thanks i dont have diimas because rng hates me
prisma crane
also @opaque flax if you're used to focus macros, stormbolt works better for that fight than shockwave
round hornet
I usually use diima/panth or diima/ahr (if I need the cd)
prisma crane
also, use bear tartare and dont fall behind on killing adds
turbid horizon
Riftworld Codex decent?
round hornet
or panth/ahr I guess
ember arrow
@turbid horizon yea
prisma crane
codex is really solid if you pull decently large and stay relatively stationary
turbid horizon
Got Riftworld/Glaives/Apocalypse/Various statsticks and a 945 panth trinket
ember arrow
i myself use apoc/panth on bosses
rftworld/panth on adds
i dont really like actives myself so its more personal preference
apoc is one i actually use wit active
undone sun
codex is a decent hybrid trinket for high aoe but there are definitely better options for both sides
clever cliff
Hi, guys. I have a question. I'm progressing through Antorus with my guild and I'm having trouble in Coven when both the Ice lady and the Fire lady are up, I usually run out of Shield Block charges and if I don't have my cooldowns up, I get oneshot on the third Fiery Strike. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with that part?
ember arrow
hc or mythic?
clever cliff
HC
ember arrow
regardless, Shield block doenst help
use nothing on first
DS o nsecond
SR on third
ember arrow
np and gl
round vortex
@prisma crane How would you say that stormbolt is categorically better than shockwave?
Shockwave achieves the same thing but has a shorter CD
junior ivy
wait why not warbringer?!
stark sage
stormbolt is ranged, and lasts longer
junior ivy
but does it have DR?
undone sun
i mean depends on the situation, i'd only use stormbolt for the tower challenge and personally never shockwave
round vortex
The stun length doesn't matter. Especially since u can stun more often which is probably more important. If you manage the adds well you can stun all of them, plus the boss and save a butt load of damage
round vortex
Im not saying that stormbolt is "bad" but i don't think you can say its outright better in the mage tower, because when used properly shockwave will outweigh it.
we are talking mage tower
stark sage
i see
undone sun
it's mostly preference, stormbolt is ranged and has a shorter CD than shockwave unless you can get 3 targets each time but afaik the timings don't always line up for that
jade socket
stormbolt being ranged is a huge advantage
much better imo than shockwave's reduced cd
lets you do other things and still be able to stun
prisma crane
you also need the adds to be up to get the reduced SW CD
if you dont, it has less range and longer CD
round vortex
I got the reduced CD every time
prisma crane
those adds should be dead very quickly, you wont have them up often
round vortex
Basically by playing a bit better its a huge advantage.
prisma crane
positioning is much less critical with stormbolt
round vortex
Plus i did it at 906 ilvl when 0.06% of tanks had completed the challenge
round vortex
So i am probably talking from a min max, undergeared point of view.
jade socket
the warrior one wasnt exactly one of the harder ones at that point
round vortex
I'd argue against Vil
timid jay
On release the tank one was certainly one of the harder
round vortex
@prisma crane Seemingly disagrees with almost anything I post when he's online anyway so I am used to that.
But my point is that to say Stormbolt is simply "better " is subjective.
You don't need the range if you plan properly, shockwave has a shorter CD when used correctly, and shockwave can stun the little ands and the infernal. There is alot of benefit to that is my point.
Shockwave CAN be better.
timid jay
Easier than paladin for sure
prisma crane
I only disagree with people if i disagree with them, not based on who they are
timid jay
And yeah, its mostly preference. But I'd agree with storm bolt every day over shockwave for the challenge
prisma crane
plus, your argument about shockwave isnt necessarily wrong, but when giving advice you might as well assume it's better to take the easier route, not the perfect positioning route
jade socket
Paladin and druid were the hardest for sure at release
after that I dont remember the order
prisma crane
particularly since if someone is having trouble at current ilvls, it's a mechanical issue, not a min max one
timid jay
Druid numbers are probably a bit skewed thanks to the bug that was in there early
undone sun
cat form stealth into a mighty bash stun to prevent the negative aura 👌
timid jay
From what I heard the druid one wasn't too hard if you had the right leggos for it, then again I don't really keep up much with druids at all
prisma crane
yea just all range dmg
round vortex
Yeah its the range on the thrash leggo that makes druid trivial
and @prisma crane I am giving advice on what I perceive to be the easiest method. Because it has alot of benefits i outlined before and jsut standing in the right place is easy to do.
timid jay
Just having a ranged interrupt makes wonders for that fight imo
round vortex
Well its called a challenge for a reason.
prisma crane
it's an extremely common misconception to think something that you find simple is in fact simple
timid jay
Much more than just being able to stun a bit more frequency
round vortex
But let me give an example of advice i like to give.
ember arrow
i mean its a challenge
but not a tankign challenge for me
i still find the tank one shit
said it since it was released
ember arrow
^
round vortex
Say with our talents, devastator is the best talent. Because it is, numerically, offensively and defensively. We can all say that by FACT its the best talent.
In the case of stormbolt vs shockwave on the mage tower, its not FACT that one is better than the other.
ember arrow
better positioning isnt easier for alot of people than pressing stormbolt
at range
i tihnk that was the main point
round vortex
Each one presents benefits which can be used so I prefer to state both benefits and let the player make a choice. My opinion is shockwave is better.
Yeah i agree with that @ember arrow
So rather than say "stormbolt is better" you could give the options of both. And I chose shockwave
round vortex
because you can't just say one is better when there is clear argument for the other presenting equally beneficial.
prisma crane
stormbolt has no strings attached
and having a stun more often gives you very little
round vortex
That's ok @prisma crane I am ok with you saying you feel its better, and i feel shockwave is better. But I won't say you are wrong, and you can't say I am wrong either. Because there isn't fact to back that up
prisma crane
and it is worse in the last phase than SB
round vortex
no way. u can stun all the infernals at once
winged marsh
Hey
we can all agree
the alpha tier is not even hotbarring your stun abilities
ez
prisma crane
warbringer requires stacks to refresh lol
assuming you need to stun with the debuff still on you
warm plinth
It really depends on a lot of things. Even at 930, you can literally run whatever talents you want and still easily defeat the challenge. Some people love the focus macro with Stormbolt because it makes the Drain Life cast mindless. I personally just ran my default build at the time (Shockwave/Impending/Avatar/Bounding/Deva/Veng/AM) and it went fine. I don't even think I used a stun on Variss at all on my kill. Even if I had stacks, it wasn't a big deal to just go in and interrupt him really quick, then go back out and let stacks drop. I think with any halfway decent gear, you're better off going with what you're comfortable with rather than trying to make changes to suit the challenge, because it really isn't necessary.
round vortex
Yeah my disclaimer is I did it at 906 ilvl and it was fucken hard.
jade socket
well I think quite a few people here did it around that time and they preferred storm bolt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
undone sun
903 with shit trinkets ¯_(ツ)_/¯
junior ivy
i did it at like 950 and it was hard
warm plinth
I mean, you're not disproving me though. If they were comfortable with Storm Bolt, then they should use Storm Bolt. My point is that there's no mandatory talents and it's often more difficult for people to make changes to things they aren't used to on top of the already unusual-ish mechanics of the challenge.
timid jay
I was a bad prot warrior
vast sedge
But you killed it after nerf thyme
undone sun
like i said, shit trinkets
vast sedge
😉
undone sun
oh i know cozen
warm plinth
Fang was pretty good for that challenge I thought
warm plinth
Yeah, basically useless
prisma crane
honestly, that fight is where i learned how unimpressive fang actually is
round vortex
Yeha my trinkets were balls lol
warm plinth
I was 929 when I did it so I have no clout there
round vortex
i took 114 attempts
prisma crane
i was around 100, i didnt count, did it around 904-907, cant remember
warm plinth
I'm pretty proud of my windwalker one @ 897 because I did it before DBM updated for them so I had to monitor all the interrupts and such manually. I still think it's the easiest challenge by far though.
round vortex
I remember because @tawny crown and I were sorta racing. He got it the lock out because me but in like 120-125 attempts because I couldn't play that time 😦
prisma crane
second time on my horde warr at around 920 took about 6 tries
round vortex
Yeah lol i recon I could one shot it now at anything 910 and above in the current gear
especially with T21 lol
prisma crane
concordance
warm plinth
Oh yeah, concordance...even I did it before the AK changes
Though I don't remember what trait level I was at
round vortex
I had jsut got concord. like lvl 1 lol
warm plinth
It took way too much work back then for me to have it
Shit, I didn't even get my 75th trait on my warrior until a few weeks ago
prisma crane
i just barely had my SR trait to make it 50% vs the base 30%
round vortex
LOL
prisma crane
it wouldnt be cake at 910 atm, i think you underestimate how much your weapon and legos would pull that average up, but our current tier bonus is certainly better than extra block on that fight...
ToS tier was even a nice upgrade from NH for that fight
at least more IPs without having to actually hit a target
single best thing i did though was use bear tartare
warm plinth
Yeah, T21 would be substantial but 910 would still be difficult. I think people embellish like crazy when they recount their kills too
I've lost count of the people who say "I did it at 910 and only had 1 infernal"
warm plinth
Yeah, 3-4 sounds more likely at low 900s, especially pre-T21