Yeah
#protection
deft sapphire
fleet galleon
Aman'Thul is better defensively? That's interesting cos I expected the strength to outweigh secondaries. At equal item level of course
I will have to keep that in mind
deft sapphire
Str provides a very minor increase to surv
The reason ilvl is better on most items is it increases overall stat budget, and all non-crit secondaries are fine
And ilvl gives stamina and armor
prisma crane
outside of raid i'd use agg over aman'thuls
prisma crane
in raid, it would be a toss up
queen sapphire
I just leave WB on all the time
fleet galleon
I guess I was giving strength more credit than it was due
queen sapphire
Unless you're just super lucky I'd not worry too much about Aman's, it's a nice dream though.
junior ivy
i used warbringer with hunter pet in my HOV a lil while ago lol
but i can see it being not very useful if its all ranged
timber nest
940 memento or a 925 haste stat stick?
prisma crane
probably the memento
just remember that 1 of the 3 memento procs is more or less useless for us, bit alright on aoe
prisma crane
it's still not terrible though
timber nest
its meh
kind glen
I liked mine when I used it. That burst haste was pretty fun lol
sacred hill
I got it at 965 from chest, currently using 915 haste stick and 935 aggramar trinket
kind glen
I'd use it over the 915 stat stick for sure.
timber nest
^
kind glen
That is so much strength
fleet galleon
Think he means Smoldering Titanguard
fleet galleon
Not sure though, just my guess
lapis terrace
how good is piece 4 for prot warr?
sacred hill
Yeah, not pantheon trinket, smoldering titan guard indeed
queen sapphire
T21 4PC not so hot, the T21 2PC is amazing.
Best tier combo is T21 2PC and t20 4PC
at the very very least get t21 2PC, go anger management.
untold vigil
not quite true
tier combo 2pt21 and 4pt20 is a defensive combo
if you're not having trouble surviving, just go for ilvl
don't work about t20
worry*
and unless your t20 is mythic quality any, or insanely tf'd, it's probably not really that worth it either.
prisma crane
4p T21 is pretty solid from a defensive standpoint
untold vigil
yeah
dark junco
^ Not true for defensive standpoint on if its not Mythic
untold vigil
Note i said 'worth it'
prisma crane
the 4p bonus alone adds up to roughly the same additional IPs as standalone 2p or 4p of T20
@dark junco you referring to T21 or T20?
untold vigil
defensively tier combo is good even if not mythic, but you give up offense
dark junco
T20
prisma crane
it doesnt have to be mythic T20 to still be really good
the bonus is the same regardless, the rage gen is going to be the same apart from slightly more haste or IP via ilvl stats
hell i still use 4p2p and bracers/TWF for some high tyrannical bosses, the CDR alone is well worth it
of course higher ilvl would be more ideal, but it's solid regardless
queen sapphire
You're right, assuming staying alive is a problem t21 4pc will work fine defensively.
The bonus rage from combining the two can help if you're able to dump that rage enough to pull those cooldowns back fairly quickly
prisma crane
as well as just creating more IP
it's similar to the whole deva / indom thing, the IPs may be smaller (assuming lower ilvl) but you're getting more of them
^ referring to the combo
queen sapphire
I'd personally go to the combo, even for defense, I'm able to spam all that extra rage to get a very high uptime on CD's and basically never lose my IP buff.
I think the t21 4pc feels a bit more.. /passive/?
untold vigil
defensively, i'd agree that tier combo is probably better---or at least more active/fun. offensively, i think you lose out on dps by going that route, since you lose str and gloves
queen sapphire
What I run right now is t21 2pc and that's it. I have so much rage I don't even have to use, amazing CD times, beefy IP, and I get my gloves.
Amazing dmg and survivability
Really don't need more than that. IMO ofc.
prisma crane
yea, i use mostly jsut 2p as well, but there's def more chances for down time with bad procs
queen sapphire
So maybe in summary for anyone following lol;
If you're still getting used to prot warrior or need defensive help then using anything more than t21 2pc is probably a great idea.
If you're comfortable with prot warrior and trying to get them parses stop after t21 2pc.
Assuming you're statted right i guess?
prisma crane
i mean, stats are always an "ideal" scenario only thing anyways
can still easily get "screwed" with that 980 TF shoulder that's crit>vers
but still worth wearing
queen sapphire
Yeah, I was fortunate to have back/chest. I'm at 40 haste 60 mast.
the 980 crit boots I'm stuck with make me hurt though
prisma crane
yea those are the same two tier items i have as well, less haste overall though, several items with haste that i have arent haste heavy, most notably a ring and neck
stopped using haste stat stick on trinkets
Diima's is the shit for AoE man
queen sapphire
I'm still using 915 moonglaives for M+, the Diima's is fun when I forget to swap though. pop it on a BC is satisfy
prisma crane
yea, i have a 930 glaives, havent use it in a while, i might try it again
my Diima's is 975, so when i have some vers procs up, it crits for around 2.7m per target
queen sapphire
that does sound amazing
prisma crane
and since it's instant it's amazing for snap threat on spread targets
as well as the obvious armor boost, high STR and 1 min CD
the slow can be nice too, but havent capitalized on that as much as of yet
queen sapphire
I pretty much forgot it slowed
prisma crane
it's 70% though and lasts 12 seconds, which is pretty powerful for us, considering our shitty 50% slow on tclap
winged marsh
can probably be very useful on extremely large pulls where you need to kite the mobs
nelths after first boss comes to mind
prisma crane
yep
though if you have a lock with the ring you're probably good enough
but that would be where the snap threat is great anyways
as if threat outside of skittish is much of a thing anymore...
winged marsh
pretty much lol
sick sentinel
hey that thunderclap slow is op
its so op they are nerfing it next xpac to the ground
wooden radish
most of the snares like that are getting nerfed
prisma crane
note though that most changes we've seen so far are pure alpha, i wouldn't set it all in stone.
may even find stuff like like the new empowered gear slots to have stuff liek additional slow, etc
queen sapphire
We got like 7+ months of changes coming, I'd not get too stuck on something at this point
sick sentinel
I'm prob gonna stick with warrior
wooden radish
7 months is really 4-5. they'll switch to tuning/bug fixing sometime before the expansion launches 😉
sick sentinel
It's looking rly strong next xpac
wooden radish
they need a better rage dump for when you don't need IP
only real issue with them atm imo
sick sentinel
IP is free
wooden radish
it eats rage when you take damage
wooden radish
but if you don't need IP, you need a way to dump rage. revenge is not enough
languid rose
bfa-protection channel is a thing
hallow phoenix
Just got a 960 horn of valor. Thoughts? Uses?
queen sapphire
I just find it really hard to feel a level of investment in changes up to this point knowing how early on we're viewing everything.
DH tanking is a really cool style, very interactive feeling.
ember arrow
@broken kite any tips on gearing up?
queen sapphire
M+ is a really great way to gear.
jade socket
If you know the right people you can get any trap alt into h abt
broken kite
M+ with gear sharing @Levko#1865. Very very fast
broken kite
Ty, mobile sucks
languid rose
ya not exactly difficult for 4 geared to carry a brand new 110 through +15's
cinder pasture
Phew, just did a HoV +20 in time, now to try for a brh +21 within timer aswell 😄
languid rose
assuming they aren't tanking or healing in that particular group
broken kite
@queen sapphire agree, vdh is my second fav. I think if orcs could be dh I'd swap xD
junior ivy
is there a quick way t o throne of thunder
zealous ore
DH is by far my favorite tank
Too bad it sucks for Mythic
@junior ivy portal to shrine fly to shado pan post get ported
Is pretty fast
junior ivy
ty
round hornet
@zealous ore I mean the # of public parses for Agg and Arg is almost the same between prot war and vdh
zealous ore
Warrior isn't very popular though
ember arrow
^
zealous ore
But defo stronger
Disclaimer:
Unless its cutting edge progress it wont rly affect your progress
But nonetheless
round hornet
ye I just mean compared to war it really doesnt matter
round hornet
war is not the least pop tank either >.>
zealous ore
But prot warr is still better
Id argue
I mean
it is
Pretty much
If we ignore BDK
Who are broken and required cuz grips
And monks for Argus because stagger is OP
guardian/warr/pally are all pretty much the same
sick sentinel
I love prot
queen sapphire
when you come into your perfect stats and have all the right gear then Prot warrior becomes VERY strong
timid jay
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17#class=Tanks
warrors are the least represtented on WCL at least
sick sentinel
Prot is least represented because it's thought to be weak
queen sapphire
Mine is at such a great spot stat and gearwise that it makes it feel very powerful
timid jay
😢
timid jay
Tbh, the difference between VDH, and both prot specs isnt big
zealous ore
I can go make one quick I guess
sick sentinel
Prot warrior can block stuff making it super strong
timid jay
Neither for monks
zealous ore
I mean
timid jay
Its mostly guardians and BDK's
timid jay
I mean in pure representation
sick sentinel
Reason it isn't considered good is because of the lack of representation
queen sapphire
I don't think I know anyone who thinks prot isnt a good tank.
zealous ore
@timid jay
I just checked
Out of 10 first M argus kills
0 DH
This doesn't prove my point ofc
But just saying
timid jay
I mean I do agree with you
I'd say prot warriors are at least stronger on argus/aggramar
With everything dangerous being blockable
zealous ore
Which lets be real here
Are the only bosses in Antorus where tank survivability really matters
Maybe like
early hounds
I guess
timid jay
Yeah
Imonar maybe as well
but VDH are just so good for clearing bridge there anyway
I'd place them higher there
And kin'garoth with the slight edge in mobility and mostly unblockable/magic damage
queen sapphire
Imonar could also be a problem for anyone if the DPS take too long.
prisma crane
you have to consider this, at least as far as VDH goes, they murder M+, and are the newest class/tank, so you're going to get a representation boost there as well, Warriors arent doing hot in Antrous, even though we're solid there, but it's mostly because we have been under shit PR since NH fucked us
queen sapphire
Krosus flashbacks
zealous ore
Sorry got interrupted
By a certain autist that starts with D
Anyways
Imonar isn't pure survivability rly
Its specifically tools to not die without external healing and without a target to hit for 10 sec or so
Prot warr actually has the advantage that as soon as you get to the boss you can spam IP and not die until the rest of the raid arrives
timid jay
I mean, VDH's dont even take damage clearing
They can leap over and trigger the mines without getting hit
zealous ore
This is true
ember arrow
thats just stupid design
queen sapphire
I think it's more a unique approach and a cool option for DH tanks
diversify the tanks and all that.
ember arrow
no
broken coding
u leap over smt
it shud not trigger at all
if a bird flies over mines they dont explode
zealous ore
hyperthonk
stiff gate
Any of you guys going for tourney realm for MDI? What dungeons are you thinking will be easiest this week? My group wants to do some combo of Vault/CoS/CoEN/Lower/Upper/BRH
untold vigil
with apologies to the one guy who answered this morning, a relic q. iron relic:
945: bastion/chaotic darkness/shield training
965: shatter bones/secure in the light/bastion (bastion is right most 3rd trait, so locks in secure)
shield >> stb, and CD > SitL, but maybe not by 5 weapon ilvl worth?
prisma crane
@stiff gate you'd want a good comp for moroes, and perhaps upper, the rest make sense
NL isnt hard either
Just mostly want to avoid HoV, maw, and Seat
arcway should be pretty cake too
only rough one perhaps general
junior ivy
hey i am confused about something after i kill lei shen i used the telepad to get to the last heroic only guy
but i got put at p;rimordius
prisma crane
because you did it on heroic
junior ivy
yeah
prisma crane
so you go down the stairs in primordius's room
prisma crane
and kill the titan
prisma crane
i forget his name
junior ivy
grr
prisma crane
if you didnt skip the cinematic (probably one of your hundred addons lol) you'd see the stairs drop and you'd see him chained to the wall
Ra-den
that's the guy
cinder pasture
I feel I've done enough for the week, Lets hope I get something good for reset 😄
chrome falcon
Feels good being #1 prot warrior for m+ score on the realm, feels bad that that makes me #90 overall tank on the realm
cinder pasture
#1 prot warrior, #3 warrior all roles, #10 all tanks on realm 😦
queen sapphire
#feelsmasterclass
warm plinth
@final mist Save us pls 😭
From bad soundcloud music
Or whatever it is 🙃
Oh, Macro saved us it looks like. ❤ "5x55 No" lol
hallow phoenix
So without going into stupid stat stacking
I can reach ~30% versatility
25% or so if i have to wear aggramar's
broken kite
Y tho
hallow phoenix
thats just what's on my gear 😦
if i try to go low on vers
Im at 20% lol
21% haste, 55% mastery, 20% vers, 12% crit
queen sapphire
Get rid of haste and crit and you're golden
ember arrow
wat?
queen sapphire
shit, vers and crit lol
grim root
hallow phoenix
970
Just got a chest 10 ilvl under my current
chock full of haste and mastery
feels bad
queen sapphire
I'd almost be willing to say drop the 10 ilvl for the haste, if your current chest doesnt have haste on it
You're just barely in the safe zone for haste and I typically dont even dare go below 30
queen sapphire
but it's a whole new world, specially with t21
hallow phoenix
no plans to
languid rose
t21 chest also has great stats so...
stiff gate
Worst feeling in the world is getting an upgrade with no haste
hallow phoenix
I only have a 945 t21 chest ;_;
stiff gate
Game sucks to play if I can’t spam my buttons
stiff gate
Ughhhhhh yup
languid rose
if i could make my 3.2k master 1.3k haste ring the other way around...
chrome falcon
I've been playing with like 25% haste this whole tier because all my high ilvl shit is garbage stats
Feels so bad
undone sun
same
hallow phoenix
It's really not that bad
glacial sage
I can't stand being below 45
glacial sage
I spammed high key dungeons I needed
novel cloak
hello, can anyone tell me what the cap on ignore pain is? how is it calculated?
glacial sage
no cap
novel cloak
(fresh prot warr)
glacial sage
more rage used more ip
languid rose
IP does cap mordrie, just not if you're tanking anything decent
glacial sage
at what?
languid rose
hang on i'll go punch a dummy
novel cloak
i did the same just now
glacial sage
i remember hearing it didn;t
novel cloak
it would always cap at 4.2mil absorbed shield
hallow phoenix
It's like 3x the value of IP
novel cloak
my current hp is 8.8mil, if it matters
languid rose
ya dragonscales pushes can push beyond cap but if you recast after that with a normal one you go back down
so without letting anything extra be up, my tooltip reads IPs are up to 1.7 per cast and my buff caps out at 4.9
novel cloak
what determines how big your IP can be?
you cap out on 4.9 and i cap on 4.2mil HP
what does it scale with
glacial sage
It caps at your max hp
languid rose
attack power and vers, i'm assuming the cap stacking them scales the same
excessive IP the game deletes is what's logged as overhealing
undone sun
no it doesn't mordrie
glacial sage
rip, got bad info
undone sun
IP scales off Attack power and verse, three full rage casts is the IP cap regardless of health
glacial sage
understandable
languid rose
ya 1.7 is probably rounded up
novel cloak
cool, thanks
final mist
If you're reading the tooltip, it's giving you the wrong amount.
languid rose
like laughably wrong or just rounding and fudging?
final mist
Tooltips reads as if it'll absorb the next, as an example, 1.7mil damage, but it only gives you an absorb that affects 90% of that (because remember, IP is only a 90% absorb, not full).
So if your tooltip reads for 1 mil, IP is a 900k absorb, and your cap in that case is 2.7mil IP (at three 60-Rage IP casts).
Like mentioned, Dragon Scales or Vers procs change this.
dusky summit
you guys think for dps, 930 haste stick with socket> 955 chrono?
hallow phoenix
probably too close to actually tell the difference :V
broken kite
I would use the stick myself
little rain
Anyone who has killed Mythic Argus have the defensive rotation they used for scythes?
undone sun
Scythe 1: SBlock + DS
Scythe 2: SBlock + SW
Scythe 3: SBlock + LS and DS
Scythe 4: NF
Scythe 5: Die
could probably switch 2 and 3 CDs ¯_(ツ)_/¯
depending on which set probably isn't safe to game DS for 2 back to back
prisma crane
@dusky summit normally i'd say the chrono, but i remember it having shitty uptime
there's a large STR diff though
timber nest
@prisma crane https://gyazo.com/ccf1be761811ec8b320967dfb83088e5
prisma crane
grats man!
slim verge
anyone have a really anoying WA for taunting verimathras?
prisma crane
i got this..
prisma crane
that's seriously like my 8th crit heavy piece
ember arrow
thel ess time u spend
the better TF u get
my alts get the 930 arcano
on dk
first relinq
languid rose
750?
little rain
What leggo/trinket's would you recommend @undone sun ?
undone sun
he's probably using Insignia @languid rose
languid rose
oh right that exists
undone sun
uh, I've seen a few builds on logs and it seems like it just depends on your job, i use bracers/twf with t21 4pc but probably should have switched off twf long ago
@little rain
glacial sage
I never really found a use for twf unless doing mythic
dusky summit
its good for tyr bosses in high m+
ember arrow
ehh
only if they have damaging abilities that happen often enough that AM cd on SW isnt enough
cinder nova
More DPS to line up DS and BC?
warm plinth
If possible, sure. But like anything else, you're almost definitely losing DPS if you lose a cast, which is easy to lose for us since we get the CDs back so quickly
timber nest
Diimas > 965 memento on high command for the add burst?
ember arrow
diimas is on demand, so it will always be better for burst on a specific moment, but memento is way more dps overall i think
since memento is a proc it may not proc on adds at all
broken kite
I've found momento to have a really low uptime, especially if you value the crit bonus as garbage
May just be my experience though
chrome falcon
tfw i have 960 socketed jawbone ❄
languid rose
please ignore the mound of dirt and a shovel behind mattacate's house
chrome falcon
Feels so good having another shield wall on trash 💯
fallow nova
Is anyone here using ExRT time to kill feature ?
lucid kelp
ok my boosted warrior is now 960. with moderately ok relics and 2 piece. and most importantly..a Stylish transmog
pastel blade
@undone sun What ever!!!
undone sun
lol thanks
pastel blade
I had to back off from tanking because my vision was becoming a real issue..so only have cleared up to Vari on mythic 😦
otherwise...we would have the realm first >->
per se...
undone sun
lol
merry cave
How much ilvl would you guys drop t21 4pce for
undone sun
hard to give a value defensively but it's fairly strong
candid path
it's vaguely comparable to bracers
not in terms of actual power
just in terms of steady trickle of IP
sweet egret
tanking a raid boss, how valuable would you say bracers are actually?
like, there are healers and I feel the legendary is unlikely to save your life
undone sun
defensively bis
candid path
yeah, they're very strong in terms of defense
totally worthless offensively, of course, and no synergy with AM/BV in terms of generating more Rage to fuel the cycle
obviously benefits heavily from AM/BV/TGod's
solid mist
another 1000 essence, another legendary that isn't bracers or gloves
candid path
if I was tanking anything that challenged me defensively, I'd switch to bracers
my default is always gloves/belt until the content proves I need more defense, but I'm an offense-first mindset kind of guy
sweet egret
@final mist what is that u have showing stats on the right hand side of your screen?
final mist
that is a WA
fleet galleon
@final mist you're on Zul'jin?!
sweet egret
cool
fleet galleon
I just saw it on Twitch. Pretty cool we're on the same server.
fleet galleon
Yeah, for sure 😃
round vortex
I've personally switched to Gloves + 2pce + TWF for the rage gen and lowering the CD on shield wall is something I am really enjoying.
fleet galleon
I don't find myself needing shield wall that often. The self-sustain from bracers is too good in my opinion to ever give up
sweet egret
for raid tanking I never find myself lacking healing though
maybe I'm just being silly
fleet galleon
You're unlikely to lack healing, but why not heal yourself and let the healers focus on others/dps?
It's more panicky for them right if you're dipping low
Rather than you keeping yourself mostly stable
sweet egret
but the bracers don't heal enough to keep me from dipping low
deft sapphire
If you’re doing content you heavily outgear bracers don’t do anything
fleet galleon
Well, okay they don't heal that much
deft sapphire
And for SOME bosses the healing is useless, but in general they are bis defensively
fleet galleon
Varimathras is a prime example of bracers being no good
sick sentinel
Why do my parses look like this today?
I recorded a heroic portal keeper today but it doesn't show my percentile only today's percentile
timber nest
https://gyazo.com/583fe4759a3cb97294a79919c877fcfc think its worth to use this relic? Id be losing a relic that has revenge dmg and id only lose 1 ilevel on my weapon
round vortex
Our healers in raid are godly - which devalues the bracers a bit for me
final mist
Even if your healers are gods, there is no fight that bracers will ever not be defensively BiS on (sans Varimathras).
sweet egret
@sick sentinel didn't u ask that 3 minutes ago
sick sentinel
No one answered
round vortex
Thats why i feel TWF is a better option than bracers right now. I wore 4pce/2pce and bracers + ring since week 1. Now that everyone has gear I run 2 pce, gloves, TWF. I just use shield wall in spikey times which takes the edge off massively.
sweet egret
you also didn't tell what you want them to look like @sick sentinel
final mist
That new relic looks like shit Larry, what's all 3 traits on both relics?
timber nest
@final mist you think a 960 +10 rage relic with TtW + shield slam crit i s better than a 955 +2% IP absorb, revenge dmg and +1.5k crit proc?
final mist
No
timber nest
didnt think 1 ilevel was worth the revenge dmg loss
final mist
The rage is meh and the SS crit is effectively worthless with how often BC is up, and the IP gain and Revenge damage will outweigh TtW.
sick sentinel
I want it to look like all normal logs
sweet egret
it looks normal to me
final mist
Baratus, if you're looking for survival, the bracers most likely wouldn't have put you in that situation, nor do you likely use SW that often to warrant it on most fights
sweet egret
there you go 😃
final mist
If you're not looking for survival (which is sounds like you aren't) drop the bracers for a DPS leggo like the belt, if something happens you have SW and externals.
sweet egret
the difference is you took the second screenshot with the titles showing
winged marsh
might be a silly question, but im doing bitch duty on vari, just wanna do as much damage as I can. Is renewed fury the best option for that, or should I go something like avatar?
sick sentinel
Far from it
sick sentinel
There was
sweet egret
it just showed todays %
so the only change was not showing the same number twice on the same page
according to Kihra
deft sapphire
@winged marsh renewed fury is always best
sweet egret
unless your fight is only as long as avatars duration
winged marsh
lul fair
deft sapphire
The uptime on rf with current levels of rage gen is insane. Just ip to not cap (100 rage or more ish) and if RF is not up during bc and you’ll be good
winged marsh
so during BC pretty much spam SS and IP to prevent overcapping?
deft sapphire
Yeah, and make sure you have a charge of sb for bc if you’re trying to maximise dps
Since sb increases ss damage
winged marsh
wait shit it does?
rofl
why did they put me on bitch duty I have no idea how to play this spec
sweet egret
deft sapphire
30% damage, pretty big deal when you’re spamming ss nonstop
ruby nexus
need help the other prot warrior is healing way more with inspiring presence then me and i dont know why
winged marsh
christ what have I been doing with my life rofl
undone sun
two insp don't stack on the raid
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
winged marsh
so outside of BC, should I dump rage with vengeance and use IP to maintain renewed fury? Or just a health mix of both to get BC up faster
both are really easy to play imo
deft sapphire
You always use booming voice
sweet egret
😄
warm plinth
@ruby nexus Probably because his Inspiring Presence is healing 19 people and yours is only healing one :p
round vortex
Yeah - only one warrior needs IP on. You can put on Safeguard to help save some raiders or impending Victory if u want the tiny heal on CD
sick sentinel
whats avoidance cap again
winged marsh
20%
sick sentinel
thanks
coined the ring on eonar but its a downgrade from the 950 i have ;_;
fishing for a titanforge
merry pier
is it still 4set tos 2 set antorus
warm plinth
If you need that much survivability, yeah
merry pier
ok
deft sapphire
if you have high ilvl you can just go 4p antorus
depends on what ilvl you have of each set
merry pier
well i have neither of each
deft sapphire
if you dont have tos 4p already i wouldn't bother going to farm it tbh
merry pier
ok
vale gyro
I think I will stick to it, know that jewelery gave only stam but still nice amount of haste and the effect for autoattack dmg may be decent
warm plinth
Definitely better than both of those
warm plinth
It's not really worth anything for us
warm plinth
Not really. Auto attacks are single target and not really a big part of our damage. The ring's effect doesn't affect Devastator damage
We don't struggle with skittish anyway with having Demo Shout and Battle Cry for every pull
signal remnant
is there anything such as sims for tanks?
signal remnant
and my stat prio is for dps i would imagine?
sweet egret
yes, and defense
sweet egret
portal keeper is very hard
u have to enter portals
and not fall off the platform! 😮
robust bronze
can i use Neltharions fury to block a second foe breaker? on aggramar?
warm plinth
Mmhm
robust bronze
also, is the darkmoon trinket worth useing still?
undone sun
depends on your options
robust bronze
i have 940 argus tank trinket, angerboda 955, darkmoon 900, and a bunch of other dps trinkets
ionic fern
I mean..you just listed DPS trinkets vs a survival trinket.
Can't really compare them.
robust bronze
yea i guess 😛
chrome falcon
Is BsC any good? Just realised I haven't taken it in months
undone sun
eh
chrome falcon
For M+
warm plinth
Congrats
static pilot
Guys, I could really do with some advice here: Specifically, how important is ilevel for prot warriors? I have a 950 blood relic with Dragon Skin/Shadowbind/Bastion of the Aspects, just got a 960 Will to Survive/ Torment The Weak/Vrykul Shield Training
sick sentinel
defensively bastion is by far the best so i wont change that
so i would keep that 950 relic
if you want dps check t2 traits and try to get revenge or thunderclap damage buff
static pilot
my DPS is pretty good already, Im mostly looking to milk as much survivability as possible 😃
sick sentinel
way that i check relics is if it has bastion and higher ilvl i take it
if not use it in off-spec
static pilot
you're that hooked on Bastion?
chrome falcon
bastion is pretty much unmatched in terms of survivability
among all tank traits
well
static pilot
atm all three relics have 1 bastion trait so I'm at 7/7
chrome falcon
consider that the bonus is doubled when you crit block
static pilot
965/950/960 - that's why I'm tempted to replace the 950 relic
chrome falcon
so you're up to some completely obscene number of DR from crit blocks, almost immunity
chrome falcon
yeah
static pilot
then there's 58% armor, but I'm not sure if that's calculated before or after the block
chrome falcon
which is just retarded
sick sentinel
thats why i said for dps you can change it
bastion is good but not needed if you are not doing mythic bosses or high m+
but its really good when you are doing some high tyranical key with high melee damage
or some mythic bosses with hard swings
static pilot
I'm not that high tier, my warrior is my alt - I help out on heroic runs if a tank needs a break, otherwise I do m+
sick sentinel
so just go for ilvl and dps
warm plinth
I mean, I only do M+ and I still would take bastion over anything
And you have pretty impressive ilevel relics and have 7/7
warm plinth
I know 950s/60s aren't that great for most but you have to realize that bastion only comes as a primary trait from 3 sources, one of which is an old raid, one is WQs, and one is an Antorus boss, so you're mostly relying on it to pop up as a T3 trait
static pilot
that is a very good point
I think I'm gonna hold onto my old relic this time, and put the relic in my arms artifact instead. Thanks guys, you've all been very helpful 😃
sick sentinel
bastion is one of the relics i will miss in bfa
maybe with azerite armor they will make something like that
also is there any blue posts about pantheon trinket catch-up mechanic
sick sentinel
guys 2 things Prot warriors for m+ ONLY
2p 21 and 4p 20 or full 21?
And which legendaries to roll?
undone sun
for aoe probably full t21 and belt/bracers/gloves
sick sentinel
should I roll t21 for trash and mix for bosses ? with shield wall ring replacing belt? or soul
dont use soul with t21 you will be spamming SS alot
use belt/bracers/gloves and for some bosses or some thrash packs lego pants
walls of fel not worth it on tyranical week?
undone sun
if you're using the tier combo, it is for ST
sick sentinel
if you need your big cds one after another its good
but still i would use highest ilvl pieces with t21 and the ring
not with tier combo
which ring roac?
@sick sentinel
walls
even without tier piece that ring is strong you are spamming so much SS and getting your shield wall so fast
without tier combo*
@undone sun you not streaming anymore?
undone sun
not for recent progs, was getting frame issues and i needed more focus for agg and argus
sick sentinel
oh okey did you killed M argus
one last question, trinkets for suvivabilty pantheon + arcano + riftworld codex + apocalypse drive, which 2?
undone sun
yeah, few hours ago @sick sentinel
undone sun
defensive trinkets depend on fight/situation, @sick sentinel aggramar in raids + either arcano/apoc and for keystone's aoe, codex/apoc drive mostly
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel im using codex alot apocalypse can be good but i have lower ilvl for it
and pantheon trinket is good stat 5k str
pantheon sucks for defensive doenst it?
in m+ i think uptime is like %20-%25
its like %15 less then concordance its still 1000 ilvl but if you could get some 985 stat stick trinkets even that would be better
i get arcano 2.0 today so i will try that now in m+
2.0 ?
which is?
undone sun
amanthuls
sick sentinel
oh
i wish
im changing between diimas and codex in m+ thrash
and for ST bosses im using chrono
green prairie
undone sun
not particularly
honest echo
Hey guys, any quick tips on how to up my damage in m+? Right now I'm at about 1.3M DPS on average but I feel like I could be doing a fair chunk more.
I'm using 4t21 (out of expediency, not for the set bonuses per se), 995 aggramar's and 955 diima's.
Stats are like 39% haste 12/6 versa 43% mastery and 12% crit.
Talents wise I'm using renewed fury/devastator/booming voice/anger management
ionic fern
1.3M DPS on average pull or overall?
honest echo
overall
Bosses are usually between 1-1.7M, Trash is around 2-5M but then it drops off when I'm moving around and stuff
I think my relics are all defensive traits, too, which obviously doesn't help
unborn island
Those numbers sound pretty similar to mine. Are you using dps trinkets like glaives? Guess the only other way to increase average is bigger pulls/rotf repics
Also depends on dungeon - I frequently finish BRH on 2m overall etc
analog swift
@honest echo I mean that's pretty good. 1.7 ST is fuckign dope for a tank.
unborn island
Diima's is pretty good for AoE if you're stacking it with BC and RF, but perhaps you could get a better ST Trinket for bosses? I lucked out and got a 965 Memento with a soctet, which is really good. Also if you've got really good rank 2 crucible traits, the Leggo ring from Antorus can be really good.
ionic fern
- it depends on the DPS you actually have in the grp.
honest echo
Thanks guys!
dark junco
You can always grab more revenge relics if you want, for better trash dps. I alternate between a 935 arcano and 925 glaives on trash
sick sentinel
935 arcano thats nice
dark junco
For bosses, its arcano and amanthuls with 2p 2p, i pull 1.3-1.4 with prepot flask and rune. Thats pretty much it in my case
unborn island
I'm surprised you pull that much with no strength trinkets 😃
dark junco
?
sick sentinel
stats you get from arcano is also great for dps
dark junco
Oh not amanthuls but the real tank one my bad
unborn island
yeah - just would have thought that STR is our best dps stat
sick sentinel
im not sure about that since we cant simc
unborn island
and 4.5k ish strength > ~4k of stats
undone sun
it's a safe bet though
sick sentinel
but i think arcano is better then most trinket out there terms of dps and defence
dark junco
^
unborn island
my arcano is only 875, but I don't think I'd use even a 940 over my 965 memento for dps
sick sentinel
i like diimas and glaives also but for passive trinkets arcano is mint
unborn island
IDK though, like you say, can't sim it, there's probably not that big a difference
sick sentinel
yeah
dark junco
940 with socket angerboda, but simce no one dies on trash in m+, its irrelevant
sick sentinel
i used 920 arcano and 950 chrono and its like no difference
dark junco
allowed me to reach 56-57 haste so that was nice
unborn island
tried running a 955 egshell once, it procced during lust on Argus, up at like 95% haste for a short time
that was mental :
😃
sick sentinel
i hate that trinket
unborn island
I then noticed it was shite 😃
sick sentinel
i had 950 or something sold it
unborn island
yeah - vendored it after I got the memento
sick sentinel
sometimes it just doesnt proc at all
dark junco
Whats the other milestone after 55 haste?
sick sentinel
dont know something really high
rustic fractal
is that better than...
sorry for spamming
idk if i must take the trinket from Hasabel instead of one of them
i've 1.2k haste trinket, and Desolate Host trinket from ToS
timid jay
They all have different usecases
rustic fractal
i'm used to playu with haste and Desolate Host trinket
but idk if i must equip hasalbel's one
hasabel's*
timid jay
As I said, they have very different usecases
unborn island
What content do you do? The desolate host trinket is only really useful when you can use the shield a lot, otherwise it just provides you with some stamina, which will only save you if you get to 300k life but don't die
timid jay
The haste one is mostly for ST dps, codex is for aoe and reliquary is very situational
unborn island
If those are the only 3 you have I would personally use riftworld instead of the reliquary
If you can do normal mode Argus and get the pantheon trinket, I would use that + haste stat stick
merry cave
Doing 23 keys I'm starting to regret not just gearing dk harder -_-
unborn island
😄
I ran a 21 BRH the other day
and talking to one of the guys after the run
He said 'I thought you could have been more aggressive in your pulls, but I guess it's 1) A pug, and 2) you're limited because you're not a DK
.<
primal crypt
Basically lol
dry apex
i got a question is 2 piece tier 21 for prot anygood becuase i have realy good replacements for those slots?
primal crypt
2p t21?
primal crypt
Do you not like free shield slams during BC????
dry apex
i do like it but it will give me more haste
undone sun
yes, 2pc t21 is very good
analog swift
@dry apex no it sucks
legit the worst
also make sure to not read any guide or pin telling you otherwise
undone sun
when the extra SR charge is needed, like shade of medivh, ymiron, and dargrul
sick sentinel
varimathras
rapid lantern
thx
undone sun
even then it's not necessarily needed, easily manageable without
the bosses mentioned give a significantly reduced kill time and massive survivability increase
unborn island
I used them a lot on AoE trash packs last week
Takes a lot of stress off the healer if the DPS want to be idiiots and roll stacks
but if you're in a good group/trust your healer then that's not necessary!
prisma crane
huge for Domatrax as well, you do tons of damage and have no risk of adds after 50% charging and knocking ppl out of hte shield
plus i had one hit for 42m the other night....
but, nvm, i make that mistake, legs not required to SR every one of those casts
undone sun
lol
unborn island
Dargrul/Ularogg too?
I've never fought ularogg high enough for Sunder to be a real issue with only 1 charge, but imagine it could be
undone sun
dargrul was mentioned, imo not on ularogg
undone sun
unless you kill the destructor tents slowly, no
prisma crane
we finally had a pull that hit the sentences... we didnt last much longer than that
prisma crane
we also had like 8 ppl die to a single scythe
yea hopefully, one of our main healers got a job so he's gone in 2 wks >.<
undone sun
we still have at least one or two, it's not uncommon for a hunter to call for BoP
prisma crane
it just seems rough to spread for the rages and stuff while also dodging those scythes
7 ppl from one actually, and yep, lmao, one was our only hunter
prisma crane
so what's the usual strat with the chains? just insta break 2 with raid CDs rolling for the 10 sec?
prisma crane
touche
undone sun
let me pull up logs from the kill real quick
prisma crane
yea we got to 51%, those orbs have a shitload of HP
undone sun
yeh
prisma crane
i just realized that you said kill, nice! grats man!
undone sun
😄 yeah we killed it last night
vital plover
970 Shiermaw's Jawbone vs 930 Mac'Aree Focusing crystal vs 940 Fel-oiled infernal machine?
prisma crane
wow, that shivermaw's....
undone sun
focusing crystal is a stat stick, what stat
prisma crane
i mean, shiver on anything aoe
undone sun
^
prisma crane
but otherwise, probably just the other two unless that's a crit stat stick
vital plover
So shiver for M+
prisma crane
yes, very yes
vital plover
Mac'aree is haste
winged marsh
970 shivermaws REEEEEEEE
prisma crane
probably the stat stick, but
if you can use the fel oiled machine well enough, it'll provide more burst
esp with that shivers
vital plover
I use it very often on trash espicially
dark junco
#iwannabeazandalaritrollonalliancesideplease
I mean, they used to be neutral, at least the one in STV
Wish you could just turn in your relic as alliance and if you get exalted, you can get one, that'd be awesome
dusky summit
950 cradle> 955 chrno for dps?
if you can stay above 50% health, its essentially a 950 haste stat stick right
winged marsh
isnt cradle mastery?
stark sage
its much better than a 950 haste stick
undone sun
yeah
stark sage
cradle is haste + str
winged marsh
ah my b
dusky summit
idk why i've been using my 955 chrono or 950 cradle
i just thought about it now
😐
prisma crane
Fury, ur thinking of engine i think
and yea, cradle is same haste but more STR than a 950 iirc
i want to say it's about 10 ilvls more worth of it, but i cant remember the break even point
undone sun
10 - 15 seems right
stark sage
if you getting chunked its worse ofc
but if you getting chunked there are other issues
undone sun
right, that's gaming you stay above 50%
dusky summit
true
sick sentinel
how come aggramar doesnt count for all star points
timid jay
People we're padding on embers
prisma crane
god damn WCL adding a decimal to the % so now all 99s isnt as clean anymore...
99.9 almost impossible for prot to get anyways, need 100 or bust lol, there arent 1000 prot logs on any bosses starting with imonar and up with the exception of 1100 on Vari
timid jay
My logs are so shit this tier anyway
prisma crane
and our only one over 2k is Garothi lol
timid jay
Doesnt matter 😢
timid jay
Currently
prisma crane
ahh
yea i think im in the same boat now maybe>?
i havent looked in a while
since we skip a lot of bosses, no time to go back
it's all those guys who've cleared the place that are memeing around now
prisma crane
.<
kindred plume
Random question does heroic leaping over mines on high command trigger them?
undone sun
no
winged marsh
so long as you arent right beside them when you start the leap your ok
undone sun
at least not unless you're right next to one when you leap
think of the mines as an orb and leap as an arch, if that arch intersects with the orb it'll trigger
prisma crane
quick maffs
winged marsh
ye ive triggered a tripwire
prisma crane
you just have to clearly clear it
it also matters if you land too close to one
take off and landing locations are important
winged marsh
the "trigger distance" is slightly larger than the mines
undone sun
yeh
kindred plume
Awesome. Thanks guys.
delicate urchin
which baf on argus better for surv?
timid jay
Haste/versa
dark junco
with capped avoidance
ember arrow
Hello lads. Another workday over
ember arrow
@unborn island on +21 u can pull whole dungeon
silk mortar
How tanking mythic portal keeper on a warrior?
tidal sparrow
Way late to the prot warrior party in T21, did I read somewhere that 4pc increases NEXT ignore pain, not existing and that the set text just isnt updated?
undone sun
correct
tidal sparrow
thanks
timid jay
@tidal sparrow If you have a IP up it does increase current
If you dont have a IP up you get the bonus for the next IP you cast
tidal sparrow
Ok, nice
sick sentinel
its pretty nice
round hornet
@silk mortar What do you mean? Like are you asking how to do it?
its pretty much the same as heroic for tank, just more damage
midnight yacht
finaly . mythic argus down 😃
undone sun
nice
sick sentinel
gz!
fallen rose
What are the best raiding legos for prot?
undone sun
bracers/gloves/belt (TWF if running tier combo)
junior ivy
i forget, can i solo SOO mythic?
junior ivy
even first boss?
prisma crane
yea he's just super annoying
even if he enrages he isnt hard
25 man is slow as hell
obsidian siren
guys, any of you 3 tank hasabel on progress?
fleet galleon
It's flex so it sets you to 10 man @prisma crane
Unless you set it to mythic of course
fleet galleon
20 man then yeah. It's super shit for sure
prisma crane
you dont need 3 tanks, but if tank dmg is an issue it wouldnt hurt
plus more stacks falling off means more raid dmg
prisma crane
yea
obsidian siren
So 3 tanking is like 2 downstairs swapping @2 and 1 platform guy?
twin hazel
we got any info on dps trinekts trying to decide between shadow singed fang, gorshalacs legacy and specter of betrayal all equal ilvl
untold vigil
Yes, Negi
twin hazel
gorshalacs seems fine for mythic + with the cleave but not sure for farm bosses in raid
west kayak
@twin hazel Raid Trinkets are nerfed, 50%, for Tanks. Better to use a Dungeon Trinket.
west kayak
There are a few exceptions, Cradle and Glaives to name two.
twin hazel
unfortunately thats all i have as dps trinket options guess i need to work on my options
obsidian siren
around what HP do you send ppl for orbs on hasa, 5% b4 add spawn?
west kayak
@twin hazel The Tank Pantheon trinket doubles as a damn good survival/DPS trinket due to the Str and Vers.
twin hazel
yah i always have it on pretty much
just trying to find out my best 2nd trinket
gotten pretty shitty luck on my warrior
grim prism
How come nobody messaged me at the start of the tier and told me our 2p was free shield slams?
I wasted six months whole months i couldve pretended to enjoy raiding again
west kayak
Bal... hehe
prisma crane
that's why i wish SotB gave us HR or AM so we could have both
that'd be so much fun, more SB uptime and tons of dps boost
we'd actually be ST machines
sick sentinel
the dream
fleet galleon
Probably too much though. We'd pull ahead by a lot if that happened
fleet galleon
Tier combo + HR + AM
languid rose
Shield block up for 100% of the fight and AM...
prisma crane
you'd never die
fleet galleon
😮
timid jay
Not exactly balanced
prisma crane
solo tank aggramar like it's nothing
prisma crane
wow
stark sage
still get flattened by non blockable mechanics 🙃
prisma crane
yea you guys are progressing considerably faster than we are
we just have idiots
and a less than great 3rd tank
and like 5-6 melee
timid jay
Actually, lemme check how many melee we have
languid rose
You would have everything you currently have for nonblockables
languid rose
and then everybody yelled at everybody for getting one less buff out?
royal cobalt
ah alright ty Cosmo
timid jay
And like half the time we dont phase before 8th rage
prisma crane
our dps is just shit on that boss
and having all the moonkins doesnt help
we had 2 spriests and 4 moonkins last night
ugh
prisma crane
yea, i almost do as much dmg as some of them on a few pulls if we wipe early
i've gone into P2 over 1.5m
if i can get the buffs rolling, which i think i have it down
i use bounding stride on that fight
nocturne herald
what are the to go legendary for prot for the most of the fights?
timid jay
Think our boomie almost did 3M on that super good try
Bracers for survivability and gloves for damage
prisma crane
can take a scythe, leap to orb and move back out before next one
yea i use gloves and TWF on that fight
timid jay
I use the same
prisma crane
bracers just dont do much it feels like for me
dusky mica
don't see the point of bracers
timid jay
Struggled a lot to chose a second legendary on argus
prisma crane
unless you get stacks from the fidget spinners or rages
timid jay
Bracers do fuck all that fight since he melees like a pussy
prisma crane
yea
dusky mica
I think legs are probably better
timid jay
For argus? Yeah maybe
prisma crane
many use the legs for the extra SR
timid jay
Havent felt the need for that
prisma crane
or full SB charges here and there
timid jay
Only time I would want that is for the orb soak in p2
prisma crane
but so far i feel ok, but i havent done the orbs a lot yet
timid jay
orbs in p3 dont hurt that bad
Dont need to take that many since you run a dedicated tank for that
prisma crane
yea, true
halcyon patio
Anyone here that's experienced with monks and DH's? Thinking about picking up a tank alt but cant decide on which
timid jay
I have some experience with VDH's but none with monks
halcyon patio
how would you say gameplay is
timid jay
Very nice in m+, a bit meh in raids