that's not saying i'm better than cosmo
#protection
undone sun
sick sentinel
What realm?
undone sun
Grey - Firetree
final mist
Don't bother looking at Thyme
undone sun
^
timid jay
Should we look at salarissa ?
thorny rivet
well Cosmo is till a likeable Elf, so he would be my choice :p :3
sick sentinel
Cosmo is 95 and above
timid jay
Think sal is nightborne as well 🤔
thorny rivet
i totally forgot Archimondes gave such a shitload of strenght o.O
sick sentinel
I want kul'tiras humans to be playable
timid jay
If you want a good prot warrior, I'd say look at sense
final mist
^
timid jay
Guy knows what hes doing
undone sun
yeh
undone sun
hmmm
final mist
It's one of those thing where I'm a great coach but I can't play the game, ya feel
undone sun
shit
final mist
final mist
Nah he's thrown if the shackles of bear form
scenic dune
you still got the role
scenic dune
you still a BAER
timid jay
Still has the role, must be true
sick sentinel
I can't find your character thyme
undone sun
US realms
undone sun
true
thorny rivet
Bears get shat on here? well im going to run bye
undone sun
only because it's the lazy tank
thorny rivet
idk i play every Tank hate me but i want diversity
sick sentinel
Cosmo is better than you
undone sun
yes
sick sentinel
He parses higher
undone sun
didn't claim i was good either 😏
timid jay
Easy to play and strong
sick sentinel
because we have a dps hold the shadow/fel girl
thorny rivet
because Dk is stupid easy
timid jay
Nice utility
sick sentinel
I levelled one and tried to tank with it and it's weak
round hornet
its not weak lol
sick sentinel
Prot warrior feels stronger
timid jay
Depends a bit on the damage profiles
round hornet
one of the best tanks for m+, and might as well be required for M Agg
timid jay
Prot warriors I'd say are harder to play, more punishing especially
sick sentinel
I don't like being at 50% hp all the time
round hornet
your hp def spikes a a bdk but you can have almost as many CD as prot war
ember arrow
best feel
thorny rivet
50% is better than 0%
round hornet
between vamp, ibf and runetap for raid
sick sentinel
I never go below 70% as prot warrior
thorny rivet
taking damage is overrated
undone sun
^
thorny rivet
agreed
round hornet
ye, plus if u only hit 110 and do ez stuff thats where prot war seems the most op
since you take no damage with IP
sick sentinel
Prot warrior feels more powerful to me
thorny rivet
the only acceptable damage as prot warrior is fall damage when HL is on cd :p
round hornet
vs bdk has to heal itself at all difficulties of content
sick sentinel
Probably
ember arrow
then death strike is up every nmelee hit
sick sentinel
The dk is only 910
undone sun
there's definitely a minimum for blood or else it feels like absolute shit
sick sentinel
I still like warrior more
round hornet
ye I like warrior more too, but theres a reason like half of the high m+ tanks are bdk and its not because they are weak
lol
thorny rivet
i just like Warrior because everything gives me the feeling im a brutal Viking fighting through Pain and stomping on some weaklings
sick sentinel
Kul'tiras humans will prob have an ability like blubber reduce all damage taken by 5% when well fed
thorny rivet
kinda regret making my warrior a female belf
sick sentinel
mine is a human :/
thorny rivet
humans and orcs are perfect for warriors
thorny rivet
i only gotta throw up when i see undead warrior, they look so bad in plate armor
warm plinth
Dwarf master race
timid jay
I'd play dwarf if they were on horde
warm plinth
Yeah, I agree
timid jay
That makes about as much sense as alliance nightborne
undone sun
well canonically they've been against the alli dwarves for a long time
warm plinth
Not really. The Thorium Brotherhood were enemies of the Dark Iron Dwarves in Burning Steppes
warm plinth
True. They could have gone either way with it I feel like
And I thought it would've been cool to have some of the allied races be cross-faction
Which I guess nightborne/void elf kind of are
But I feel like they did that just because well, elves are elves
warm plinth
It does, yeah. Just let me have my dream of a horde midget race
Goblins don't count, before you say anything
round vortex
Guys - 17 Seat last night on Fortiified... FUCK... THAT. Was my first time in the instance ever and probably the last
warm plinth
I do not understand why anyone would do a higher key on a dungeon they've never done before smh
winged rampart
hey guys does reflected spell dmg show up pin details and where if so?
undone sun
nope
tiny sphinx
wtb Valkyr playable race with dragoon/lancer tank class (or new warrior specs)
sick sentinel
Seat is cancer
astral crystal
trash just hits like a truck. granted it is fortified, but still
sick sentinel
Meele die very easy
We had a Havoc, Frost Mage and Fury warrior in the group lol
We had like 7 stacks bursting on the rats
I never do seat because it is almost all magic damage
round vortex
lol haters gunna hate
@ember arrow @warm plinth Smashed it anyway cuz big epeens are big.
sick sentinel
You should watch a pulls video
glacial sage
http://questionablyepic.com/ has what to pull and the % for each add, along with extra tips
warm plinth
Awfully quiet in prot-land.
shut summit
🤐
round vortex
Nah i just run with a warlock named Masked in my guild
junior ivy
i did NL +20, didnt make timer.. but.. it didnt even improve my score. i am sad
round vortex
knows every M+ better than anyone i'd argue lol
chilly brook
so stick with inspiring presence for M+ or go with Impending Victory?
jade socket
safeguard is the best if used well
junior ivy
just did a +20 and a +19 !
winged marsh
good job bud!!
fast knot
I've grown into liking Prot the best of the three specs. I can't ever tank main raid but M+ and alt nights are a blast
except for yanking threat because 4p is a monster
junior ivy
also, i taught people stuff
in DHT.
it was tree boss
and everyones panicking omg tank switch to all surviability use your cds whe nhe grips you
and we do the fight, and its easy as hell and i barely take damage
and healers like whoa you were easy to heal how did you do that
and i said i spell reflected when he picked me up
and no one coulkd believe it even though 3 of them had prot warrior alts
they had no idea it was reflectable
undone sun
well, in the sense that it's mitigated by sr, sure
junior ivy
everyone was so impressed i barely took damage haha
im not used to knowing things about mechanics that other people dont already know
fast knot
Looking at the chart that depicted damage types was a gamechanger
round vortex
Can confirm: Running a 100% Mastery build on argus to see if crit blocking all Scythes being worth it.... IS TOTAL NONSENSE. lol
Don't get tempted friends it was balls
fleet galleon
Needs more bastion relics
round vortex
Oh I lived just fine. But going from 53% haste to 19% just felt absurd and I’m never doing that again lol
fringe marten
Well if you lived; and killed it...why was it bad? (what difficulty was it?)
warm plinth
It's a meme build for a reason
undone sun
likely mythic, absolutely unnecessary on lower
round vortex
No it was heroic lol - worldcrusher hit the nail on the head. It was meme. I wasn't trying it for any reason but to compare the numbers. Our guild has one shot Argus on heroic every single week so i didn't see any reason to not bugger around with gear and stuff lol
We only raid one night per week - bunch of ex-hardcores from way back just smashing stuff. We only do Mythic prog when we cut out Heroic bosses or make good time. We got Garothi down to 14% last night on our first attempt on mythic in our last 15 mins of raid time.
So this week we are skipping Garothi on heroic and moving to him lol
sick sentinel
How do you set up meme build?
I'm interested in trying it oit
Seems fun and powerful
undone sun
pretty much just stacking mastery to 23k, takes a bit of farming
undone sun
unless you have relatively high TF pieces, it's not necessary
with it, it reduces the needed mastery to i think 20k
sick sentinel
Hum
Probably easier to get to 23k
Will the crit block prevent all blockable damage
With 23k mastery
deft sapphire
If you have max bastion it essentially makes sb an 88% dr against blockable damage
warm plinth
All the 23k mastery does is make it a guaranteed critical block. It's still only 88% reduction.
I say only, but that's just because I was highlighting that it's not 100% DR. :p
sick sentinel
Is it possible to get to 100%?
100dr would make you an amazing physical damage tank
deft sapphire
No
sick sentinel
I have that
sick sentinel
Ah
crimson scarab
ne1 have a link for that funny description of one plays warrior? " shouts at people and they run scared"
i need it
sick sentinel
If I stack vers with the mastery I can get higher than 88%
But then my haste would be too low to use devaststor
So I would use indomitable plus the heavy rep
ionic fern
Tfw you can't get into a +15 group with 950 ilvl as a tank. 😢
undone sun
no such thing as haste too low for deva
sick sentinel
I just realised
warm plinth
New meme: haste too low to use Devastator. I've seen it a few times in the last couple days. We need to murder it before it can reproduce.
warm plinth
I'm just messing. You weren't the first person to say it. Just kinda curious where it came from
sick sentinel
I realised that in mythic plus invitational finals one tank was a prot warrior!
warm plinth
Oh yeah? I still haven't watched the finals VoD
sick sentinel
It's awesome
warm plinth
Did Sense make it that far? Or was it another warrior?
warm plinth
Hmm, I'll have to check that out. I didn't realize one made it that far.
ionic fern
I mean..someone also used a warrior in UK i think
sick sentinel
I am proud that warrior tanks got represented in finals
sick sentinel
Warriors don't get represented much
DH dominate with Blood DK in mythic llus
Plus
deft sapphire
pumps played warrior last mdi in 2 dungeons
cause sr is op in kara and seat
and he played bear as his main and bear fucking sucks against magic damage
ionic fern
Suppose it's going to be paladins/BDK/VDH this time around
sick sentinel
Warrior with pants is powerful
prisma crane
not for the SB charges
sick sentinel
Who won the invitational mythic plus
deft sapphire
it should be those three, probs bdk and vdh more
i expect to see warriors + boomies/dh in upper kara
ionic fern
Why boomies? Just for first boss?
warm plinth
I'm excited to see VDH in this MDI
ionic fern
Triple range for last boss in UK.👌🏽
warm plinth
Though I'm really bummed that one of them will not be Shakib 😦
sick sentinel
Luckily we will be on top next expansion
deft sapphire
when u sr medivhs missiles he takes bonus arcane damage
and dh/boomie damage actually counts as arcane
well a lot of it
ionic fern
Wait, why isn't SHakib going?
warm plinth
Chaos damage = arcane/shadow combo
deft sapphire
and no one isn't gonna play arcane mage
warm plinth
He's from Quebec
sick sentinel
A 60% damage reduction ready to use every 12 seconds for 4 seconds is op
warm plinth
They had laws prohibiting it until recently and Blizzard hasn't changed their eligibility requirements yet so he is ineligible.
sick sentinel
They nerfed everything and gave us an op defensive
warm plinth
Yeah, I think it puts a huge weight on their shoulders because not only is he an incredible tank, he's their shot caller too. They're all great players obviously, but I don't know that they're going to find someone else who is both a quality tank and someone who can call out everything as well as he does. I hope they prove me wrong though.
winged marsh
me and my tank were thinking about going for it too
but shes from quebec
so that ideas gone
sick sentinel
People from Quebec are annoying
warm plinth
How so?
undone sun
i mean shakib and his team are great are pushing high keys, that's what they do best...
but that's not what the MDI is all about
broken anvil
Is warrior a shit 3rd tank for argus?
sick sentinel
Warrior is fine
broken anvil
Ive been playing druid but debating playing main
winged marsh
Your right, even Darkee was talking about it
warm plinth
Yeah but they do 27s with no effort (to them). They're laughing and joking 99% of the time while they're in there. 23s have to be a breeze for them.
winged marsh
Pushing high keys isnt the same as speedrunning a dungeon
undone sun
speed clearing vs. pushing high keys are completely different mind sets
sick sentinel
Druid is always op
ionic fern
What is MDI about then? PRetty sure if they can do a +27 on time they can fly through a +23
Just size up the pulls and go for it
deft sapphire
ya but the comp/planning is completely different
winged marsh
well you prepare for pulls differently altogether
deft sapphire
of course theya re good enough to do it
winged marsh
sure they can easily do it, but you have to completely plan how your going to do it in the most effective way possible
warm plinth
I'm not disagreeing that it's a slightly different philosophy but I have a hard time believing that they wouldn't adapt pretty easily, especially doing keys 4 levels lower in the qualifiers. They still are trying to beat a timer after all; and pushing keys that high is still about using their time economically. I don't think it's that huge of an adjustment.
winged marsh
well they'd easily qualify
cause you just need to get 5 23s in time on different dungeons
ionic fern
Yeah, for sure but i'm pretty positive that they are adabted to think like "How to do it faster" since you can't dilly around on a +27
winged marsh
then they'd focus on practicing speedrunning keys
warm plinth
I'm talking about the time trials when I say qualifiers. Not the proving grounds.
winged marsh
learning how to time group cds, what pulls are most time effective, etc
warm plinth
Idk, I'm also a bit of a fan boy when it comes to them so you'll have to suffer my optimism lol
I'm pretty bummed that Shakib won't be there though. That kills the buzz a bit
winged marsh
they'd certainly be able to no doubt about that
it just wouldnt necesarrily be the same style of game that your used to watching on the stream
jade socket
There’s a reason that even though meowchan’s team was the best at pushing keys last mdi they still lost rather early on
warm plinth
Yeah for sure. It'll be interesting to see how this MDI shapes up though. I'm excited either way. I love that they are keeping up with this.
I'm also kinda curious if maybe they have been practicing off-screen (not streaming), because of things like what Vil mentioned
warm plinth
Meowchan's team was great but it had to be a lesson to aspiring MDI competitors that skill in pushing keys isn't everything
Well that, yeah, but even if it's just a trick that helps make a pull easier or something like that. I'm sure a lot of people knew shit that some of the groups did last MDI but I learned a lot watching those VoDs
jade socket
They haven’t been practicing off stream yet
warm plinth
And some of it was pretty unknown shit
ionic fern
The dungeons are going to be +23 jeah?
winged marsh
i believe so
warm plinth
For the proving grounds it's 23. I read somewhere that people who do them quicker might end up doing higher stuff or something? I don't remember exactly though.
ionic fern
Wonder if we're going to see some new classes represented or is it going to be warriors/rogues/boomies/warlocks again
Some WW maybe?:o
winged marsh
definitely see WW
warm plinth
Yeah we'll definitely see windwalkers
ionic fern
Maybe some cheese with the mage spellsteal in BRH?:o
winged marsh
assumably dr jay is going to qualify so we'll probably see a mage
ionic fern
Can't wait to see a Brm pull the whole corridor in BRH after 2nd boss and then have them RoP it for 8s..and then a WW RoP it again for 16s free DPS. 
Tbh we might see MM hunter as well, Gingi is doing some mean things on it.
winged marsh
likely, they been pushing like mad. Although apparently BM might see some play with ilvl being set on all pieces
not sure what thats all about, just stuff ive heard
winged marsh
for sure
warm plinth
Wasn't there something that got excluded from MDI last time? Like they didn't have access to something...can't remember what it was
prisma crane
honestly, i find it so lame how method just swoops up all the top teams
like, oh look, method is playing method
ionic fern
It was more on the light that someone here before said that Shakib isn't in
ionic fern
o.o
warm plinth
Sec, I'll find the quote
warm plinth
Yeah that's not the quote I saw before, but there you go :p
ionic fern
Ah, it's the one from Methods page.
:p
I love how the pictures they've taken are like a selfie with a phone
😂
warm plinth
Jesus, passport photos much?
fresh ember
Hey guys! How do you pull packs in 5 mans? It often takes me some time to build up rage to get my shield block or ignore pain up?
I usually go in and Thunderclap which makes me pretty vulnerable for the global cd
deft sapphire
normally you run booming voice so demo + charge gets you enough rage to do whatever you want when you start combat
fresh ember
ok, but I think I'm gonna need the waist for that to be able to do that with every pack right?
old zephyr
Anger management an 2p should be enough
fresh ember
ok! Thanks! One more thing, how do you handle the spider gauntlet in BRH in weeks like this?
old zephyr
I don't known this weeks affixe but cc is usually thé answer
fresh ember
Bursting was the problem
old zephyr
Cc and holding dps is the answer then
On a side not my guild might take my prot war to antorus HM tomorow how much hitpoints would I need to be safe ?
unborn island
Finally 2nd warr tank on server,3.35k... long way to go for 1st though,4.5k :s
Hit points not a massive issue if played right. Anything about 7.5m+should be fine imo
ionic fern
What's HM?
jade socket
Heroic
ionic fern
If HP was a issue we would all be re-rolling to druid to have stable unbuffed 10m+ all the time.
unborn island
@fresh ember The way I normally do that is to run up and pull a bunch back down to the room. That way you avoide LoS issues and being stacked up when quakes come. I usually pull about 10 - if they all die at the same time (big if) that means you survive the burst if your healer heals everyone for 1 HP in that 4 seconds
(also, SR works for bursting stacks and is amazing).
merry cave
Unbyffed 10m is quite low for a druid :P
warm plinth
So I got a guy saying that Quaking is reduced by armor; is that a thing? I am 100% sure that it's 20% max health no matter what outside of like an actual damage reduction CD right?
undone sun
i want to say it is
easiest way to look is guardian logs for keystones and there's two hits, one with just bear form and another with bearform + iron fur, with iron fur it's 200k less
idk what logs are showing but now different set of events show no change in damage
warm plinth
Interesting
jaunty canopy
if it follows bursting, key stones might be magic dmg, spell reflect reduces bursting dmg, but I havent looked at Quaking really
warm plinth
Yeah here's another with a resto druid going into bear form...
Doesn't look reduced to me
Yeah I was just asking because someone said that going into bear form as a resto druid reduced the damage taken by Quaking
And I didn't think it did
jaunty canopy
sure by the passive dr you get from bear form xD that 6% or what ever
or is that always idr
warm plinth
Yeah, and that's assuming you're guardian affinity
The 6% is all the time iirc, not just in bear
jaunty canopy
thought it was that after I thought about it tbh xD
warm plinth
Idk how much health you get from bear...I am pretty sure it's 55% stamina but idk if that = 55% health or not
jaunty canopy
probably not, considering artifact traits and stuff but who knows
warm plinth
Seems pretty close. If that's a straight 20% on both numbers, then he had 56.45% more health in Bear
inner nymph
That resto druid takes more dmg in bear ... looks like it just scales with hp
If u have prydaz u can go bear for bigger shield then go humaniod again for higher prydaz shield
calm cove
Quake is %hp based
fresh ember
Is it me or is Seat a really difficult dungeon for prot warriors?^
jaunty canopy
its difficult in general once you get higher, can insta gib easy, pretty much roll a major def every pull after the first like 10 sec of the pull, maybe less, hard to really put a time on it.
jaunty canopy
and in a dungeon like seat, spell reflect is basically a major cd, as the one shot mechanics are magic usually
more dr than shield wall on a short cd
warm plinth
@fresh ember I haven't done it much but the legs legendary can be pretty helpful on the starting trash to reflect uh...I'm blanking on the name of it. It's a debuff that makes you take 10% more damage per stack that's reflectable.
unborn island
Dark withering
Have done it like 4x this week,and a few tlast week it's much easier once we they fixed the portal spawns
But the trash at 3rd boss is horrible - when doing the pat cc the 2 small adds
warm plinth
That's the one; thanks Loose
dusky summit
the only hard part of seat is the first pull. But with a good group and proper mitigation, you can do the "pull all" strat. With legs you can cheese the withering. Everything else in the dungeon is extremely kitable, which is why you can pull large groups and just run around
the part that screws everyone over is before the 3rd boss, which is where most people kill the timer and deplete
unborn island
That's true - I never have any issues on 1st boss trash, the issues seem to be in the 3rd boss area, with people not killing the tentacles, and the fact that there's not always room to kite (especially if the pat is incoming)
that and seeing the zones on the last boss
nova beacon
I feel for you Yonko. The gods of loot have abandoned us xD
sick sentinel
even if you get crit high gear you can farm m+ for high haste rings and necks
unborn island
I got amazing stuff first 2 weeks of ABT, since then, vendor stuff
965 haste/mast helm and 975 haste/mast boots
sick sentinel
im using 940 945 rings just because of stats HP you get from high ilvl doesnt matter that much imo
well if its 30 ilvl difference it might
i farmed NL and BRH just for the high haste rings
green prairie
Any suggestions except switching to Devestator? I have also The Walls Fell,Archimonde's hatred reborn,Kakushan,Destiny driver and Sephuz https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/draenor/thekotka
fleet galleon
Also switch to AM
fickle geyser
id spec to AM and use gloves and walls fell
fleet galleon
Maybe warbringer if you do M+. It's typically better than shockwave
unborn island
@sick sentinel I have done NL SOOOOO many times, and the bloody ring never drops >940
untold vigil
relic q: 945 bastion/chaotic darkness/armor vs 965 bastion/secure in the light/shatter the bones
i'm inclined to keep the 945
fleet galleon
Probably 965 tbh. They both have bastion so I'd take higher ilvl
What're the other 2 traits on the 965 relic?
untold vigil
965 bastion/secure in the light/shatter the bones
fleet galleon
There has to be more T3 traits though
fleet galleon
Ah
untold vigil
and can't avoid secure
bastion's the right-most option
and CD> SIL and armor >> shatter
fleet galleon
~5 weapon ilvl is also worth a lot though
fleet galleon
Yeah haha
fleet galleon
Yeah, don't forget strength and stamina
untold vigil
ye
fleet galleon
Both strong stats too
untold vigil
plus the moral victory of being able to use something from weekly cache
fleet galleon
Hahahahaha. I've had good drops 3/4 weeks
junior ivy
you guys get good stuff in your chest???
fleet galleon
But I had to drop Bastion on 2 relics from the cache cos it was like a 30 ilvl upgrade
And I didn't need that survivability
untold vigil
don't think i'd drop bastion
fleet galleon
Or so I thought
untold vigil
ah, in that case
fleet galleon
Until I got pulled in to sub for our main tank during heroic clear
junior ivy
at least i think its not an upgrade
fleet galleon
What did you get?
junior ivy
fleet galleon
Nah, crit is garbage
Decent for Fury at that ilvl cos the autoattack damage isn't negligible
Sadly, that ring does not work with Devastator
fleet galleon
What are affixes?
junior ivy
fleet galleon
Volcanic is easy
Second boss could be tough on Tyrannical if your group isn't on top of the imps
junior ivy
but if im picky about group it should be do-able?
fleet galleon
Enforcers/mini bosses will hurt during raging but it's not fortified either so should be okay
Overall, a pretty decent key
fleet galleon
Seat...
junior ivy
me*
sick sentinel
This week seems pretty easy
junior ivy
id do it this weelk while its tyrannical
fleet galleon
Yeah, not terrible. Gotta pug it though so it always makes me nervous
sick sentinel
Last week was tough
junior ivy
yeh i did a lot of high keys last week but wouldnt tlouchg seat
i need a seat key with good, patienbt people and i gotta have discord. cause i am still not fully comfortable with the trash pulls
sick sentinel
Seat is impossible with last week affixes
I haven't done seat yet
In mythic plus
Or cathedral
crisp dawn
i have done seat only for quest purpose
junior ivy
cath isnt too bad
sick sentinel
Same on heroic
crisp dawn
i hate that dungeon. its horrible overloaded with shit trash
crisp dawn
cath isnt bad but seat is pure mockery from the devs
junior ivy
and i am not good at m+
crisp dawn
ive never seen anyone do seat on m+
sick sentinel
Just finished that quest for the gold vindicar
crisp dawn
ye same
sick sentinel
Just don't know what to do now
sick sentinel
They give like 80 rep each
crisp dawn
all quests in macarena give rep and then some in the other zones too
sick sentinel
I try to finish all of them
crisp dawn
still better than losing yer hair in hatred over that shithole of a dungeon
fleet galleon
It takes time. Make sure you do the weekly quests for Argunite
They give lots of rep
crisp dawn
ye
fleet galleon
And then the order hall mission is 1k rep too
crisp dawn
it gives around 500 i think?
sick sentinel
Always do order hall
crisp dawn
which one hauger?
fleet galleon
Portal Kepers is the mission name
250 rep + 750 rep from bonus
And the argunite quests give 1k each iirc
crystal night
Just got my mannoroth's bracers. no ToS 4 set so can I run it with belt ? or should I run it with a different lego? ( no gloves btw )
For survivability on ST fights
wintry pivot
Haven't tanked since early EN on my warrior. I benched him early. And picked up BrM. I have 0 legendaries and have only gave him the unsullied gear I've gotten. Just wondering how tanking on warrior feels rn? Should I just leave him benched until bfa? Or give him another shot. He's always been my first character leveled in every expansion.
fleet galleon
Yeah, bracers and belt is a good combo
crystal night
TY Hauger
fleet galleon
More suited to AoE of course but still doable. It's more for dps though in ST. You could consider running walls fell ring if you have it
More survivability with that
As for tanking on warrior, it's pretty fun right now but Tier 21 2pc plays a big role in that @wintry pivot
It's definitely punishing if you fuck up but that's what makes it fun
crystal night
Bracers/Belt better than The Walls Fell /Belt?
crystal night
yes TY so m uch!
void moss
I just got a 965 Impenetrable Nerubian Husk, it is not mentioned in the trinket list but seems good. Any thoughts?
crystal night
So Bracer's/Belt for like high M+ trash or AoE fights, and Bracers/TWF for ST ty!!
crystal night
Last week I got a 960 dinner Bell as well. Should I always use with Verse food? ( also cant remember where in pinned messages the blocked damage list from M+ dungeons is at or the EHP trinket guide )
Ahh found it nvm 😄
it was right there
fleet galleon
@void moss There are some good alternatives from Antorus so try to get those
Yeah, Sal pinned a post with all the links
crystal night
So on this Blockable Damage list, All blue text numbers are magical damage reduceable by SR?
void moss
Got all the antrous trinkets on H version, was just curious on other opinons
fleet galleon
Yes
Yeah, armor trinkets are really strong, like DMD and Diimas. The unreliable nature of the Husk makes it meh
crystal night
Hey guys, for ST survivablity gearing ( no ToS 4 set or gloves available ) should I run 2 pce Antorus with haste/mastery peices in all the other slots, or 4 pce Antorus sacrificing 2 peices of what would be haste/mastery slots,
fleet galleon
Depends on the item level off your off pieces
stark sage
4pc aiming for ilvl
fleet galleon
If your off pieces are higher than tier pieces by ~10 per slot, then go with those I'd say
crystal night
Ty so much
fleet galleon
Less so on ST though. Not bad, but not as good as on AoE
crystal night
Ok so for AoE survivability Ill run 2 pce and 4 pce for ST survivability
crystal night
Ok
timid jay
It doesnt lose too much on ST since the standard boss swing timer is 1,5sec
sick sentinel
Yes
stark sage
i mean no gear is just as good defensively when you arent being swing at :X
sick sentinel
How do y'all feel about the tier 21 4 p?
timid jay
Yes but survivability doesnt matter on 90% of those cases anyway
you dont gear for when youre offtanking
fleet galleon
Fair enough
sick sentinel
Tier 21 4 p in my eyes looks weak
stark sage
its fine, if it didnt have the internal cooldown it would be insane
timid jay
Its pretty strong tbh
sick sentinel
I don't play using it until I get mythic tier since I have 960 chest and 965 gloves
I also have 960 cloak and 955 helm
Currently using 2 p with pants and shoulders
fleet galleon
I mean that's mythic ilvl though
crystal night
How do you guys feel about the Highmountain Racials?
sick sentinel
They are good for tanking
timid jay
garbage outside of the versa
sick sentinel
Yeah
timid jay
Still the most impactful racial is belf aoe silence
crystal night
Well that is being taken away in BFA I beleive
crystal night
oh ya
sick sentinel
If trolls didn't look so f**king ugly I would use them
timid jay
Tbh currently all racials outside of beld silnece is extremely niche
sick sentinel
Nah
timid jay
might as well play what you think looks good
sick sentinel
Troll is good
fickle geyser
male troll looks amazing
timid jay
The haste is not a big dps increase
sick sentinel
Void elf very good
stark sage
velf racials are meh
sick sentinel
Haste for warrior is best stat
5% dmg increase for 12 sec ever now and then is strong
stark sage
dps racials arent ever 'strong'
sick sentinel
Rly strong
sick sentinel
They have utility too
stark sage
the teleport is hardly utiltiy
sick sentinel
Th silence on raids and mythic is rly powerful
stark sage
the biggest impact a dps racial has probably goes to lightforged, since its aoe and stacks with damage modifiers
sick sentinel
But on fights where there are no adds where you can silence the racial is useless
stark sage
doesnt matter, getting to use it in m+ already makes it too good
its really the only racial that stands out
the other ones are marginal
sick sentinel
Every extra but helps
timid jay
Id guess the velf one might be stronger but yeah, racials are largely just for flavour
junior ivy
is that talent that gets rid of shockwave really better than shockwave?
stark sage
gnome
sick sentinel
Gnome?
junior ivy
yessss gnome ❤
sick sentinel
What does gnome do
junior ivy
why!
sick sentinel
They are small and look stupid
junior ivy
they are small and look adorable
stark sage
ive seen some gearsets have gnome sim higher than troll as fury spec
light robin
Learning prot warrior for m+, but I'm confused what how exactly intercept, safeguard, and destiny driver interact with each other and vs aoe or targeted attacks/spells. Is there a guide that explains those 3 in depth?
sick sentinel
Safeguard is bad
stark sage
safeguard is good? in m+
timid jay
safeguard is good
stark sage
DD is bad
timid jay
safeguard is a bit niche, mostly used on higher keys to cover oneshpts on people
stark sage
for raids sure, but 5 man content its the best
timid jay
notaböy xavius and such
light robin
i was looking for information on which bosses could benefit from DD and safeguard on an ally
and how they worked
timid jay
notably*
sick sentinel
Dd never works
timid jay
destiny driver is never used
stark sage
DD never, safeguard if there is big aoe damage just safeguard a dps
junior ivy
is warbringrer really better than shockwave?
stark sage
yeah warbringer doesnt have diminishing returns
sick sentinel
I like warbringer a lot
stark sage
if your group lacks stuns then you can take shockwave
timid jay
Generally safeguard works when you cant redirect the normal attacks wirh intercept, spells and the like
stark sage
since it doesnt matter if you ignore DR
junior ivy
my issue with warbringer is like i charge in and enemies get stunned, but they are stunned before they even get a chance to group togerther
so it seems pointless
sick sentinel
Nah
junior ivy
shockwavbe i wait for them to bne grouped then stun
stark sage
its good
light robin
so intercept by itself wouldn't affect something like Nightmare Bolt from Shade of Xavius, whatsoever?
stark sage
you can charge in, run out charge in again keeping them stunned until they die
junior ivy
and if i wanna stun mid fight i gotta heroic leap out and charge back in
i guess i just gotta get used to it
sick sentinel
Yeah, it's effective
timid jay
correct
stark sage
coordinate with your group and after they stun ,use the time to run out and charge
junior ivy
but i msised my stuns uyesterday 😦
timid jay
intercept just takes targeted melee attacks
sick sentinel
Cosmo do u use tier 21 4 p?
junior ivy
also when i got rid of shockwave i put drums of fury on my action bar in its place and now sometimes i panic and use it as if it were a cooldown
and my group gets mad
but thats a me problem
and im gonna remove it from my bar
timid jay
mosrly autos and a few targeted tank abilites
sick sentinel
Make a weak aura
timid jay
Yeah, I run 4p
sick sentinel
I have weak auras for all important abilities
light robin
And does Destiny Driver only give the absorp shield after the damage is dealt, meaning it only affects something like las boss in CoS, or Desaron in DHT?
timid jay
pretty sure yes
sick sentinel
It is too weak to ever be considered
stark sage
part of why its trash
timid jay
iirc the sheild is after the damage is dealt
light robin
ive saved ppl on last boss in CoS, so its not insignificant
sick sentinel
If it gave a shield to all members of group when you charge at boss would be decent
light robin
just wasnt sure if it could save ppl in other instances
fleet galleon
@junior ivy the key to using warbringer well is using intercept on a melee dps rather than running out at and charging.
stark sage
safeguard would have saved them just the same
fleet galleon
No min range when intercepting an ally
junior ivy
i just love shockwave
stark sage
and you wouldnt have to wear a useless legendary
junior ivy
i might go back to it
ewven if its bad
i love it
i was in NL 20 and my groups like hill can you stun
and i gotta say nope
no shockwave
light robin
but don't they get the absorp shield after the initial tick of damage from a pulsing aoe?
timid jay
The sheidl they'd get from the first tick would be so small anyway from dd
fleet galleon
I dunno, if he's stunned, doesn't matter which way they face
timid jay
its simply not worth it
stark sage
yeah 50% of the first tick would be gone in an instant
light robin
im still confused, and this is why im asking how things interact
stark sage
okay
after intercepting an ally with DD, the next hit they recieve puts a bubble for 50% of the damage they took
light robin
the damage from his pulse is physical, i believe counts as an attack, so shouldnt intercept trigger off 3 attacks, giving 3 absorp shields?
stark sage
it would give 1 shield
the first tick
for 50% of the tick damage, lasting 12s or until its depleted
timid jay
Intercept woild not redirect it to you because its not a targeted attack
Rule of thumb is autos
there are a few exceptions but its mainly autos and a few abilites that only hit the tank
light robin
and specific targeted abilities like Sunder in Nelth and Dark Slash?
timid jay
yes, but those shouldnt hit anyone else but the tank anyway
light robin
right
timid jay
DD will do nothing if you take the dark slash
they need to taunt off and you need to intercept them for the dd sheidld to pop
(And im not even sure it'll work on dark slash)
light robin
ya i wasnt gonna intercept a DS, just confirming
timid jay
intercept on general can be very strange in how it interacts with things outside of autos
light robin
but theres no guide like there is for SR in what it might work on?
timid jay
No, because theres really no need for it
Destiny driver is shit
and if yoi need to DR friendlies you go safeguard
which will work regardless if the redirect from intercept will proc or not
light robin
but safeguard redirect won't trigger DD?
timid jay
Correct
its only if intercept redirects attacks that DD procs
which shouldnt happen at all outside of fenrir
light robin
or perhaps last miniboss of Maw?
timid jay
basically ypu would need a dps to taunt off so you can intercept them to trigger dd
thars aoe, cant redirect aoe effects with intercept
thats*
light robin
so skovald rush neither
timid jay
correct
whereas purely safeguard works in all of those cases
safeguard works just like blessing of sacrifice, just that you need to stay near
light robin
alright, thanks a ton, i appreciate the in dept explanation
timid jay
np
crystal night
So according to this trinket my best option for increasing EHP would be Diimas and my 960 dinner bell with verse food. when I use one, the other goes on 20 sec CD. Does that reduce their usefulness in regaurds to increasing my EHP.
fleet galleon
Trinkets usually incur a 30 sec cd on other trinkets when used
stark sage
a lot of tank trinkets dont
fleet galleon
Don't they? I thought it was only Shivermaws that was like that.
In any case, I don't think it affects their usefulness cos it's rare that you'll need both cd's at the same time
crystal night
Ok so they are just as good individually when i have two that are on use opposed to pairing the on use trinket with one that doesnt have it
Oh yes thats a good point Hauger
thanks so much.
stark sage
shockwave isnt bad, but warbringer isnt reduced by DR making it unique
junior ivy
well my key this week is CoS +19
on tyrannical
i need shockwave for those imps
im not good enough with warbringer yet to trust myself
timid jay
Warbringer is stronger provided you have at least another stun in the group
junior ivy
btw ki have no idea what DR means
stark sage
diminishing returns
timid jay
Its all about learning to intercept friendlies
timid jay
Warbringer is always a 2.5 second stun
timid jay
YEs
junior ivy
i had no idea
stark sage
yeah if you try to chain stun eventually the mobs are immune
it gets reduced by some percentage each time
timid jay
All other stuns works by the first stun is full duration
Second stun is 50% duration
and thrid is 25% duration, after that they get immune
While warbringer is always 2.5 seconds, makes it extremely strong
junior ivy
warbringer is so confusing though likie say im on second boss and they say "ok your turn to stun"
do i leap out
cjhare back in
or do it use my belt speed boost to run out
boss will follow me
stark sage
i thought they nerfed that
timid jay
Still works
stark sage
OP
junior ivy
im already in a panic cause im ona tyrannical boss in +19. major panic. then it smy turn to stun. i gotta look at party frames to see who is melee
make sure theytre nearby
click them
click intercept
all the while my window to stun is probably long gone
stark sage
well most bosses are immune to stuns as is
junior ivy
this is imps
timid jay
I just trust that my melee players are close enough anyway
junior ivy
on cos 2nd boss
stark sage
yeah on that boss the imps are often out of the min range anyway, so i just target a clump and charge in
junior ivy
so if i focus a melee thati trust
i still gotta take the time to click him and then click intercept
with enemies i can tab target
stark sage
you can make a focus macro too
junior ivy
hm
timid jay
Or a mouseover macro and use with party frames
junior ivy
i dunno much about macros
junior ivy
thanks
stark sage
hah
junior ivy
so when i make a macro, it turns it into a button
stark sage
right
junior ivy
and i put that button on my action bar corrdect?
stark sage
yup
junior ivy
okay thank you
stark sage
lol
junior ivy
stark sage
just remember to create a focus target of a melee
junior ivy
i also moved my drums away, so no more "OMG IM ON TRASH BUT IM GONNA DIE BETTER HEROISM"
stark sage
if there are only ranged in your group well, you will have to get used to running back for it
junior ivy
i basically alwayts have a melee lol
the 3 people i ever do m+ groups with are
2 warriors
and a ret pally
junior ivy
I LOVE WARBRINGER
stark sage
😂
fleet galleon
That didn't take long
junior ivy
THE MACRO MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE
AND MAKING IT LOOK LIKE SHOCKWAVE
my greoup has no melee
but im smart see
i focused hunter pet
im stunning all the time
stark sage
izi
if it had normal diminishing returns it would be quite bad, but since its special its super strong and easy to use
fleet galleon
TBH, I dunno why it doesn't
shut summit
🤷
fleet galleon
Would be interesting to hear from the devs on this
stark sage
because then you would be punishing your group by using charge to pull, but tbh still you get value of the stun
fleet galleon
Yeah, still decent value from the stun. But your point is a good one
queen sapphire
Warbringer is easily one of the most useful M+ tools for tanks
open rose
How much is Bastion of the Aspects worth in item lvl? I just got a 960 relic but it replaces my 940 Bastion one
dusky summit
bis defensively, so 940 bastion> 960 not bastion surv wise
ilvl doesn't do as much for us in terms of surv wise iirc. so even low level bastion relics are bis
open rose
ah ok
dusky summit
i dream of revenge/ttw/TC x3
fleet galleon
I dream of Bastion x 3
queen sapphire
Or you could opt for the total damage build, which is tons of fun.
broken kite
@fleet galleon probably a mistake lol
fleet galleon
Why, though? I only really fill in as tank in raid so I prefer to survive rather than do max damage.
That said, I have been getting like 80-85 percentile parses anyway so
queen sapphire
@sick sentinel Taking all Shield Slam relics would only be useful if you aren't generating enough rage (with t21) during the Battlecry window to bring your Battlecry CD way way down, IMO.
dusky summit
Abrodus, shield slam relics aren't as valuable anymore. for dps you want revenge/tc
sick sentinel
I generate tons of rage
fleet galleon
Shatter the bones relics are worthless cos BC cd is so short. And all you do in BC is spam SS
I miss when they were good though
queen sapphire
Then you'd benefit more from the Revenge and TC relics
sick sentinel
I guess ill stick with 3x bastion
languid rose
975 iron relic, garbage traits 😦
sick sentinel
Oof
fleet galleon
I haven't checked my cache yet. Gotta make some sacrifices to the RNG gods first
queen sapphire
Most every relic is just a defensive or utility benefit, but if I have the choice I'll always take damage. But that swap happens after you know you can survive a fight without your healers burning out on you.
sick sentinel
I hope I get a 975 relic
Last week I got 970 shoulders
Hope I get a big upgrade from 960
fleet galleon
I usually can but this past week we were down 2 healers and had a 900 priest sub in so I had to do more to actually survive.
timber nest
for dmg parses... 945 codex? 940 memento or 945 diimas?
sick sentinel
Diima is defence
Memento is dependant on the secondary stat but I would say codex is rly good
Use Khaz if you can too
timber nest
i have a level 1k pantheon that im using too
sick sentinel
Which one
sick sentinel
Not very helpful
Use Khaz because even at 940 it will increases ur dps a ton
Even more at 945
stark sage
aggs at 1k is great for dps
sick sentinel
If u wanna parse dps use the Khaz, it's super strong
stark sage
aggs is better than khaz for dps imo
timber nest
my kaz is 940, my aggs is 1k. thats 2x the strength. since warrior tank scales off str, and we prioritize ilevel aggs will be better
steel mauve
Codex is bad in raids even for dps, khaz is still nerfed by 50% for tanks since its a. Raid dps trinket
deft sapphire
Khazgoroth proc sucks for tanks anyway
It’s nerfed more than 50%
It’s nerfed 50% on proc rage AND damage
Rate*
steel mauve
Wouldnt that still math out to be 50%, since both areas are nerfed by 50%
sick sentinel
Wow they nerfed it
queen sapphire
Trinkets that are designed to be for DPS have had the power cut for players who are in a prot spec
sick sentinel
that sucks
deft sapphire
The vers proc on aggramars is better for dps than khaz, unless you are a dps main that has 1000 ilvl khaz and 940 aggramars
queen sapphire
My 915 moonglaives still do an incredible amount of damage, and I'd agree that the Agg. trinket is an awesome one to have equipped because of that raw stat benefit.
sick sentinel
I have 975 Aggramar
queen sapphire
/pat
fleet galleon
Is Aman'Thul better than Aggramar's at equal ilvl? I feel like the secondaries may not make up that much strength
sick sentinel
Aggramar is weak
fleet galleon
@deft sapphire
sick sentinel
Best trinket
queen sapphire
Just equip both
fleet galleon
Arcanocrystal 2.0
queen sapphire
😉