just played to much 😛
#protection
proud forge
im 941 just returned 😛
but 941 is still way overgeared for it
122 days on 110 lol
im pretty annoyed u gotta farm like a madman to get them all to 1000 tho
solid drum
So, AHR - does the Absorb go before the Block, or do I block the damage and then absorb? So, if I am not sure about AHR doing the full damage, should I not shieldblock when I have it up?
long bronze
Unless AHR is unique absorbs are last
Meaning mitigation applies first
Aka the "leftovers" of block and armor reduction gets absorbed
fleet galleon
Even after shield block you can be chunked pretty hard, especially on like argus. Or forging strike on Kin'garoth as it's not blockable
Bleeds too can't be mitigated by block and armor usually.
So there's a few niches where you could use Archimonde effectively
@solid drum
timid jay
Absorbs are after all DR's
solid drum
Thanks - its mainly a dps q uestion for me for argus today
long bronze
Scythe will probably pop it consistently after a few stacks
fleet galleon
Idk if I get would use archimonde for that. You only get 1 or maybe 2 effective uses out of it
In the last phase
It won't be too effective before then imo
solid drum
I thought about the Aegis Buff you get
In P2
Since it increases life and there the absorb and the dps
fleet galleon
What're you getting hit by in that phase though that you would absorb? Other than soul bomb I guess
Might work actually
solid drum
I would just try and not use Shield Block or IP to get the most out of it
It's only normal, I got 99% last week with Tgod
solid drum
I wanna try it out and look at the timings before I go today
I mainly wanna try if I can squeeze out a few more percent to maybe get Top 100
fleet galleon
Worth a try for sure
long bronze
Speaking of Argus. I was pugging heroic yesterday and had somewarrior as my Co tank. Felt good taking twice as many scythe stacks as him when he outgeared me significantly
fleet galleon
Was he asleep? Or just unlucky with crit blocks?
fleet galleon
I also died on 5th when filling in this week
I thought you get through 5 with just shield block before chaining cd's
Next time I took 8 though
long bronze
I take 9 usually but I don't have pants
My mastery is like 40 percent
I always feel like I could do more with better play though
fleet galleon
Pants aren't that good to be worth using from what I understand
Because you can have shield block up more but if you don't crit block, you're dead
So the extra shield block is no good
If it gave a charge of Nelths, that would be handy on that fight lol
As for better play, I'm always fill in tank so my thought process is, if I survive more stacks than last time, I did good
long bronze
I think p4 Argus is Hella fun so I just try to max it lol
solid drum
I wonder....I think you should be able to simply make a spreadsheet with you armor and HP and it tells you which ones you survive with what...the damage is fixed, and so is you armor and the block amount....it would tell you survive without, with SB / with Crit Block etc.....
Ima try make that I think
long bronze
Probably favorite boss in expansion to tank
fleet galleon
Doubt damage is fixed. There may be some variance
long bronze
Least favorite is 2;d boss in votw
fleet galleon
Also, with procs like concordance, trinkets etc that spreadsheet may be hard to make
long bronze
Damage is typically fixed on boss abilities.
fleet galleon
I guess you could make it before all probs/trinkets but then it's not that helpful cos probs be random
*procs/trinkets
solid drum
Maybe, yeah. But with just the basic cds and armor...
fleet galleon
You'd have to make it so you enter your armor into the sheet right? Not sure if that's what your were implying
solid drum
Yeah - you enter the % of reduced damage by armor, and then it's simply 6 million times 1-armor and the other for sb and cds
fleet galleon
Gotcha
solid drum
So you have the first row "damage pur" the second "damage armor" the third "damage sb" and the columns are first second hit etc
and it is green if the amount is lower then your health
long bronze
You also need # of bastion relics
solid drum
Damn, yeah!
timid jay
And avoidance
solid drum
Good thought!
timid jay
and versatility
fleet galleon
Avoidance op yeah
solid drum
Ok, that's a bit more work, but still not difiicult...
fleet galleon
I don't think those need to be on the sheet
That should kick in after you start getting into one shot territory
fleet galleon
I reckon if the sheet is going to be useful, it's about what you can do on your own without major/external cd's
Then it gives you a rough idea of when you need to start using them
long bronze
Ehhh not really
fleet galleon
I would keep it at armor/block/avoidance and vers
long bronze
What about ignore pain
fleet galleon
CD usage is up to the user
fleet galleon
Ignore pain should almost always be up
long bronze
Yeah but how much
fleet galleon
Oh yeah, I see your point
timid jay
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pv6xnZQKFwzAUzPvKmXtGje8zMLQasQK9dpA0YgONd4/edit#gid=0
Spreadsheet for scythes on M
Courtesy of faide
long bronze
If you get full ignore between scythe I want to marry you
solid drum
Damn - ok so s.o already made a spreadsheet...maybe i can study it and use it for cd
Ah wait thats for bear
isnt it?
timid jay
Can make one for heroic, its something to base it on though
fleet galleon
You can get close to full ignore pain between scythes
solid drum
Yeah, thanks for that Cosmo! ❤
fleet galleon
Easier at higher stacks cos more damage taken means more rage from it. Assuming you live
solid drum
Wait, does Spell Reflect work on that? I thought it was pure physical?
fleet galleon
And then if BC is up, you can spam SS in between scythes and get a good IP going
On scythe? Don't think so. On soulbomb damage you can iirc
*soulburst
Whatever the 2 smaller ones are
timid jay
iirc he wasnt all to sure about the math for a few classes, hes a druid main so there might be some small issues with it
solid drum
Ahh ok
timid jay
For example, the last stand hp modifier is 1.3
final mist
SR is there because there's the magic damage from the Rend Souls and when you need to soak the debuffs with Aggramar's buff.
Scythes are pure physical.
stark sage
@timid jay lmao cosmo is that gif from Pkeeper
barren marsh
Pretty sure its Aggramar
timid jay
Yeah its M aggramar
stark sage
love it
barren marsh
Some got booped off by Flame Rend
languid rose
First week of lfr aggramar i did that when i turned it and everybody ran away because they thought it was foe breaker
rotund inlet
Hey there, looking for some clarification on T21/T20. The sheets and bastion say ~mythic T21 is when to replace T20 or even that 4pc T20 is better regardless of ilvl - but here I've seen it stated that Heroic T21 can replace Heroic T20. We run a BM monk and Prot warrior and I don't have The Walls Fell so they feel I take too much damage in Heroic 915 T20 and should swap to T21. Fights like dogs I'm just fine its Coven where we really notice any squishiness.
junior ivy
i think people have gotten a lot more lax about the t20 thing
and i mean, im 11/11 heroic and ive always just used t21 2pc..
and i have no problems staying alive
i never bothered with t20
im scared to give bad advice so i wont tell youy not to use t20
but why not try some different things and see what makes you feel most comfortanle?
rotund inlet
Yeah we're 11/11H starting mythics and I've been using t21 helm/chest, 4pc 20, with leg bracers and belt. But every now and then my health will plummet and they feel I should be using t21 at this point.
junior ivy
comfortable*
unborn island
It's only better where you need your big cooldowns up more regularly. I'm in the same boat as catfriend, have never needed it.
rotund inlet
Honestly it's probably me being terrible and missing a cd or IP, but I don't know if t21 will make up for that since with more rage I should be able to get those up more often
junior ivy
yeha im 969 ilvl im never going back to t20 lol
stark sage
@rotund inlet if you are feeling squishy, its likely due to some kind of mistakes you are making
the combo tier isnt required for progression
rotund inlet
A fight like dogs I feel invincible because I can get the rotation perfect and fluid.
For some reason Coven smacks me every now and then and its frustrating.
unborn island
If you're clearing heroic comfortably you should be fine without combo for mythic if you time things right
stark sage
interesting i never felt like coven really was a lot of tank damage
rotund inlet
What's the biggest difference in how it plays, I've been 4pc t20 for a long time now.
unborn island
If you don't have a CD or max IP for 3rd fiery strike,will die
Otherwise coven is fine.
prisma crane
just use SR on 3rd strike and it's a joke
blissful iris
how many fine warriors in here possess Tusk of Mannoroth. Day off another day of bonus loot farming for me lol
prisma crane
biggest difference is you'll have less CDR
i dont, but i dont really like them Failatron lol
rotund inlet
I feel like sometimes I will take 0 damage from 3rd strike, others 8million lol.
prisma crane
but GL!
all depends on your IP, you cant block it
so it's just IP and DR
so use SR for the 3rd and it's a joke
rotund inlet
That's what it is then.
How about frost? Same thing I'm assuming. It would seem magical.
prisma crane
your tier combo isnt why you're getting chunked, it's just not having SB up and stuff
frost just hurts every time
so
rotund inlet
lol
unborn island
Frost isn't as bad imo
rotund inlet
Frost's problem is it surprises me, I know 3rd strike will hurt. I was 1shot once by a 2nd frost and almost fell out of my chair.
unborn island
Wow, didn't know
unborn island
Guess you wanna tank with pally/druid/dk then
prisma crane
that's why it's bad, starting with the first hit she hurts
i hold Diima for a long time on mythic
since pally has more interrupts for the arcane mythic one
youjust have to know when you need CDs
rotund inlet
Yeah we went from having a druid and me to now having a BM and me, both of us happened to level a DK and druid alt just in case for mythic.
But the loss of movement speed is a bummer
prisma crane
you wont need it for mythic, but of the first 5 bosses, dogs and PK are the roughest
but if you block the maws, dogs are cake
rotund inlet
So the healers went from healing a bear full time to me and feel t21 might be better.
prisma crane
and PK is just about using CDs if your dot gets higher than 2-3 stacks
well, as far as self sustain goes, 4p2p is stronger
rotund inlet
Alright I'll give t21 a try this week. Thanks for the clarification.
rotund inlet
Yeah I guess I'm more spikey because If I nail it my self sustain is great
prisma crane
that's warriors
rotund inlet
but on a hectic fight like coven I'm not as efficient.
prisma crane
you have to SB the proper stuff or you tank the floor
coven is pretty simple
just know that IP is fine for first fiery
IP is fine for second
SR and IP and 3rd will hurt less than 2nd
for diima just roll CDs when you're moving around a lot or there's heavy raid heals out
rotund inlet
That's my biggest problem I didn't use SR on fiery and thought SB over IP.
prisma crane
and asara literally does zero dmg, so use her to get CDs back
rotund inlet
That will change everything.
rotund inlet
How silly, thought it was physical.
rotund inlet
Yeah I know lol
prisma crane
Diima's is frost dmg too, so SR helps there as well
SR > SW against those hits, larger DR
rotund inlet
She melee's that's why I thought it. That would mean nothing is physical on that fight lol.
mystic rain
Not everything is obviously the spell school it would seem to be, logs or skada/details can tell you what kind of damage you're taking on the fly
prisma crane
portal keepers dot is physical btw
so SR does nothing for it
but you can SR the big aoe explosion if you want to help keep ur IP higher
prisma crane
np
we can def min max with gear but
often if we just hit the floor quickly, it has to do with a mechanical issue
or lack of proper timing of SB and/or other CDs
rotund inlet
For kingaroth forging strike, it's physical but not blockable. So what is the best way to deal with a second strike if it happens?
just wall?
and IP
prisma crane
yea, use a CD
on heroic large IP can be enough
but no reason to not swap at 1 really
but if you can see it coming, use SW or LS
untold moth
The first strike is easy with just shield block. 2 can be survived with artifact hability, or any cd. It can also be survived with shield block + demo shout, or shield block + some trinket.
sick sentinel
mythic demo shout and a fatty IP can survive the 2nd hit
untold moth
And ignore pain ofc, no reason for not having it
fleet galleon
As mentioned, forging strike isn't blockable
ember arrow
Not blockable
fleet galleon
No idea how shield block would helping
untold moth
Not blokcable but shield block still reduces the damage
fleet galleon
How?
untold moth
Try it, you will see
ember arrow
No it doesnt reduce dmg
fleet galleon
You probably got a concordance proc or something
ember arrow
SB only bloxks. If smt isnt blockabe sb is useless
prisma crane
the only way that SB would reduce the value is if you're getting a scales proc
timid jay
You can get scales outside of SB though
prisma crane
and that's not from the strike and it's also pure RNG
yea, but increased odds
still, SB effectively does nothing for the strike
untold moth
idk, the sheet is not super reliably, as I see many spells that can be mitigated with spell reflection and they don't show there
Like vari's shadow strike
prisma crane
anything that is magic dmg can be reduced by SR, that's why it's shown as magic dmg....
ember arrow
LOL
prisma crane
SR is only specifically called out when you can actually reflect it
ember arrow
U srs konig?
stark sage
oof
fleet galleon
🤔
untold moth
Alright Krotos, as far as I am aware, nothing can be reflected on a raid boss since Cenarius. but it should still be marked since the damage gets reduced
I get your point though
ember arrow
It doesnt reflect. So guide cant say sr work
stark sage
timid jay
I do get the point of that, the purpose of it was to list everything blockable/reflect/deflectable
Not everything SR reduces
timid jay
(But its still listed as magic damage in the spreadsheet so you can infer that SR works as a DR)
untold moth
I think nothing can actually be reflected after Emeral nightmare. People found that they could reflect spells to cenarius, draining 5% of his hp xd
ember arrow
If people cant figure out that magic dmg gets reduced by sr thats kinda
fleet galleon
I literally pointed out an ability that could be reflected after EN
timid jay
As stated in the top right corner
untold moth
Yes I saw
prisma crane
just note that that spreadsheet includes dungeons
untold moth
Interesting though, my whole life has been a lie because I though that SB saved me from the forgin strike
Yeah the dungeon part is amazing
prisma crane
if SB worked on that, we could take 5+ stacks pretty easy
untold moth
😃
fleet galleon
Could probably solo tank since stacks fall during add phase
prisma crane
but it doesnt, so we just have to play nice and bow down to monks
yea, i solo tanked on normal, dont know about doable on heroic
stark sage
nah it trucks after a couple stacks on hc
fleet galleon
I took a second cos I was bored. Not too bad. I think a third would be insta death though
stark sage
pretty much
untold moth
Yeah because it's not a linear scaling
prisma crane
you'd have to roll CDs, but cna always have a boomkin bear taunt off for one stack and make it easy
fleet galleon
Yeah for sure
untold moth
Let's conclude that it could be possible to solo tank it on heroic, but not worth it.
fleet galleon
TBH, I've been hit with it as dps and not died so it's not hard to reset stacks
untold moth
Yeah
fleet galleon
But yeah, overall not really worth it
untold moth
Those crazy forging strikes
maiden lake
hey guys! can anyone give me tips for the prot warrior artifact challenge? I get killed in like 10 seconds cuz I get 2.6 mill mind rends
untold moth
Hmm there are several guides out there. I completed it at ilvl 902, and it was challenging. But a friend did it on 950 and it took him like 6 attempts
round hornet
get big IPs, SR to reduce magic daamages and dont stand in the pool that long I guess
untold moth
You can also heroic leap far from the boss so he casts anihilation on the npc
maiden lake
I watched a lot of guides, I only take 4 debuff from the pool, using spell reflect on mind rends, pummeling drain lifes, not using shield block but ignore pain. I havent heard from anyone that mind rends would cause a problem for them, but it does for me, I just cant survive more than 10 seconds
I already did this challenge on a bear druid and a dh, I had no problem with them aswell (im 935 on my warr)
maiden lake
lol lemme give you my pass
severe pond
astral ermine
I am not any good, but I was using a combo of SR and Pummel on the mind rend, leaving the Storm Bolt for drain life. IPs and victory rush kept me topped up
maiden lake
do anyone has a good WA?
round hornet
for what
maiden lake
overall for prot, tracking ignore pain and such
round hornet
iirc there were good IP/Vengeance weakauaras i nthe guides pinned b4. been a while since I looked tho
fleet galleon
There's a channel to help you find the weak auras you want. Best to check there
maiden lake
^
lean tangle
What two legendaries should i be using for the most part? Wrists and gloves? I'm currently using wrist and soul (Don't have gloves yet)
Got every other legendary except gloves and archimonde trinket.
lean tangle
I'm using 2pc T21. I could use 4pc T21 but doesn't seem worth it imo.
ember arrow
it is defensively
lean tangle
I was previously using 4pc T20 2pc T21 before i stopped using T20. Now i'm just using 2pc T21.
So what should i replace Soul with until i get gloves?
I'm gonna miss having booming voice and vengeance though.
untold moth
I have sacrificed a lot of survivavility for damage in mythic, and my healers said it's ok. I have always been scared of doing such thing, but I don't feel squishy enough to revert it. I was sacrificing too much dps before
lean tangle
A problem i was facing/still facing is my dps is pretty garbage. I think i worry to much about surviving and i don't trust my healers (Which isn't good).
My guild is gonna try pushing for mythic and i wanna make sure i'm ready for it.
light quartz
Quick question guys, for DPS Trinkets would you take any of these? Sweeping Scourgewing. Kazgaroth's Courage or even Forgefiend's Fabricator (with a socket). I don't have the Tanking Pantheon trinket yet.
west kayak
Raid trinkets are nerfed for Prot. Not worth using.
proud robin
mainly all trinkets that is not for prot spec have the procs halfed
west kayak
Dungeon trinkets work just fine. And there are a few Raid ones that are fine, Cradle and Glaives to name two.
sick sentinel
Trinket from Aggramar and coven are great
Regarding offence Khaz is the best unless u have Aman'thul
fleet galleon
I think Khaz proc rate is nerfed for prot. And Aman'thul's isn't THAT good for dps. Strength is much better for dps iirc
A high item level cradle or memento would be better options imo
I would take a high item level Khaz if you didn't have anything else @light quartz
proud robin
its not nerfed for prot or any tank spec
undone sun
khaz is nerfed
proud robin
but its considered a tank trinket and still nerfed
undone sun
👍
fleet galleon
I'm really bored at work so I went to the warrior forums. Stumbled across a gem of a thread about how vengeance was simming higher than BV and OP couldn't understand how despite trying numerous fight types and legendary combos.
undone sun
lol
fleet galleon
What really made my day though was a bunch of follow up posts talking about sims and why this may be the case
I didn't have the heart to tell them sims don't work yet
Someone did point them to the warrior discord though
light quartz
@fleet galleon Thanks! 😃 and thanks to the rest that helped! 😄
chrome falcon
Can we use heroic leap to do the boat skip in EoA or did they fix that?
winged marsh
prisma crane
that someone was probably me @fleet galleon lol
i did it yesterday, leap works fine
chrome falcon
cool thanks
fleet galleon
No it wasn't you @prisma crane. At least, I hope not lol
I'm certain you know way more than the guy who did point here
His comment was all rubbish until he said hit up the warrior discord lol
prisma crane
ah, yea, there was a diff post somewhere talking about how warriors are shit lol
that's the one i posted on
i rarely post to wow forums lol
fleet galleon
I don't post either. But the seriousness of their debate was really cracking me up. I may go home and then post if no one else corrects them
prisma crane
nice
lean tangle
No one answered my question lol.
So what should i replace Soul with until i get gloves?
(Only legendaries i don't have are Gloves & Archimonde trinket)
fleet galleon
Yeah, would suggest belt for dps
prisma crane
belt for sure
junior ivy
oo i love when i give advice and it turns out to be right 😄
lean tangle
So belt until i get gloves, yeah?
fleet galleon
Yea
lean tangle
Should i keep using indomitable until i get gloves or should i start using devastator? I know devastator is the superior talent but losing 20% of my health is scary. I go from 10mil down to like 8mil.
final mist
You never use Indom over Devastator
lean tangle
Well i thought Indom was the much safer pick.
fleet galleon
Nope
final mist
It's a trap talent
fleet galleon
Trap or crap 🤔
dark junco
Why not both
lean tangle
I mean i get why Devastator is good, but can you explain what's so terrible about Indom?
undone sun
indom isn't terrible, just gets out classes/out performed by devastator
lean tangle
Well i started tanking recently for the first time, so i was using indom. It felt like a safe pick. But now we're progressing to mythic so i wanna step my game up.
dark junco
Since we scale with haste, you get an ever GREATER value out of haste, since it increase furthermore rage generation, and makes you able to spam ignroe pain even more
Mythic: TWF ring + t20 4p + t21 2p
Can add bracer on top of that
The rage generation is gonna be insane
lean tangle
Isn't 4p T20 + 2p T21 like the super defensive route?
dark junco
Yes
But you're telling me ''i strated tanking recentlty''
Without providing any parses
lean tangle
I mean recently but its been like 2 or so months
dark junco
So I'm showing you the ''I wont die cause I don't know what to do'' route
lean tangle
Tanked all of heroic and all that.
dark junco
Even moreso on mythic unforgivin mechanics for tanks
lean tangle
But i'm still new to it overall.
dark junco
Mythic is way harder, starting right at dogs
lean tangle
I was using 4p T20 2p T21 until recently where i stopped.
Like yesterday i stopped using it lol.
I was so used to having all that rage regeneration, now it feels so slow.
dark junco
Still running t20 2p and t21 2p at least
As for more input, if you want some, we'll need some logs ^^
lean tangle
I'm keeping my T20 gear in my bag just incase i need it, but yeah i'll be using the new gear unless its warranted.
Also when i check logs, i don't know exactly what i'm supposed to be looking for, is it damage? Healing?
dark junco
Damage absorbed
Shield block uptime
mechanics missed
on mythic its also DTPS, heals
And mechanics missed
Dps is a nice option, but only once you're able to actually tank what you should be tanking
obtuse anvil
whats the prot m+ talent and lego build?
lean tangle
I think avatar and booming voice are M+ talents.
dark junco
@lean tangle No spell reflects on dogs
fleet galleon
Bracers and swapping gloves/belt for bosses/trash is more balanced
lean tangle
@dark junco I didn't even realize i could spell reflect there.
fleet galleon
Avatar is okay, Renewed Fury is better though with the rage gen we have now
fleet galleon
You can spell reflect the dot damage from the stacks
dark junco
thats 50% mitig
Shield block uptime is low on Portal keeper
make sure when you take mele hits, you have SB up
When she cast collapsing, you don't need SB
obtuse anvil
i dont have gloves or belt
prisma crane
that whole bit about haste affects indom as well btw, but deva is just better all around
lean tangle
I try to keep SB up but sometimes i forget for a moment. I know its something i need to keep up on.
dark junco
If you don't have SB up when you should have it, you're not doing your job: its the main thing to keep up when you're tanking
fleet galleon
I wouldn't go that far. 100% SB uptime is a pipe dream
prisma crane
SR is very strong on vari
dark junco
@fleet galleon he had sub 60% SB uptime
When actively tanking
So not aiming for 100% uptime at all
fleet galleon
While actively tanking? Or overall?
dark junco
Actively
prisma crane
uptime means nothing
you want to look at % of hits blocked
particularly important hits, like the maws on felhounds
dark junco
@lean tangle No SR on coven either ?
And 20% uptime on Coven on SB ???
Whats your strat for coven
Like it doesn't make sense at all
prisma crane
even if you're not worried about dmg taken, you want SB up more than that for just doing more dmg
lean tangle
Yeah
dark junco
Why did you die on foebreaker ?
Shield block cast over 2min fight: 10
@lean tangle SB uptime need to be way higher. When ever its up and you,re taking, its priority #1
lean tangle
I can't remember exactly.
dark junco
dapper fog
If im looking at it right his SB faded and then he got hit by foe breaker
dark junco
Yep
prisma crane
i mean just use NF and it's cheese
dark junco
^
@lean tangle When its not your turn to soak the foe breaker, stand on the side, not in the raid, there its easy to grab agro and never threaten the raid with a whole raid foebreaker like you did
Its accidents, but its 1 shot accident for pretty much everyone ^^
lean tangle
I can't remember exactly why i died to the foebreaker, if you were looking at the first set of logs.
It was because i accidentally taunted early.
dark junco
Shield block faded
lean tangle
I was supposed to get flame rend.
lean tangle
And i taunted a half second too early and took the first foebreaker when i was supposed to be taking the flame rned lol
dark junco
or 1 2-1 2 ?
lean tangle
First tank gets foebreaker, then i get flame rend. Then i get foebreaker, then other tank gets flame rend.
undone sun
that's not right
prisma crane
it's easier if you do it with
dark junco
1-2 and then 1-2
prisma crane
tank 1 gets foe and rend
lean tangle
Wait what.
prisma crane
tank 2 gets second foe and rend
dark junco
Yeah
prisma crane
just run straight through the boss
round hornet
the rend knocks u back, repositioning after that is annoyin
round hornet
makes more sense to do foe->rend on one tank then foe->rend on other
dark junco
^
lean tangle
So we are supposed to have one tank do foebreaker and rend. Then have the other tank do foebreaker and rend?
dark junco
yep
undone sun
yes
ember arrow
@prisma crane like my profie pic photoshop skills?
prisma crane
yea so the second tank stands behind boss
dark junco
Only on mythic its different, but irrelevent at the moment
ember arrow
u take foebreaker>ru ntru boss then do rend
other tank waits behind boss
and repeats
prisma crane
yup
dark junco
Lemme paint it
lean tangle
But why is it so bad to do it the way i said?
prisma crane
boss moves
ember arrow
its needlessly complicated
round hornet
because the rend knocks you back
ember arrow
and it makes room for errors
undone sun
2 stacks of foebreaker isn't really ideal
ember arrow
that arent there doing it the way we suggest
lean tangle
But i'm a tank with leap and my partner is a monk and we usually are on the same page.
round hornet
or if ur slow u mess it up
undone sun
sure as a warrior we can handle it with block
but it' shouldn't be a factor in the first place
on heroic it over complicates it
lean tangle
I just don't see how the way i'm doing it is inefficient. If the argument is that the boss moves then that's not a big enough argument. Because we've killed Aggramar multiple times before doing this same tank strat.
junior ivy
i made a warlock friend with 3300 m+ score yay im determined to do higher keys
dark junco
2:14
I tank in front, bear goesi n raid, while I get punted, bear taunt
gets foe breaker, run into raid and soak
gg can,t type, video easier to follow
prisma crane
@junior ivy i get to do a 25 cath tonight, wish me luck, i'm pretty sure first boss and mini boss are about all that really scares me
junior ivy
ooo 25 thats intense
dark junco
^
junior ivy
good luck !
stark sage
mini boss is the spider bitch?
dark junco
Fucking first boss is gonna be a pain
prisma crane
yea
stark sage
she is a pain
dark junco
Yeah
lean tangle
I'm confused at what you are trying to say still.
prisma crane
i did that place on a 24 but tyrannical
ember arrow
1.5mil
dark junco
Did you check the vid ?
dark junco
yeah
stark sage
she gets buffed by fort im fairly sure
dark junco
Check right side
prisma crane
which fight was the 1.5m HPS?
ember arrow
spoder
prisma crane
lol, the mini boss chick?
ember arrow
she summons them, but they dont follow
junior ivy
you should stream it or taker a video krotos
prisma crane
i can stream it, but it wont be pretty
prisma crane
might as well stand behind, tons of time to move around
side can be easy to get clipped by either
dark junco
I go thru the raid and soak Flame rend with them while Bear is ready on other side to taunt as soon as flame rend is done
dark junco
So mechanic order is: 1-2-1-2-3
Foe breaker, Flame rend, Foe breaker, Flame rend''HUGEAOEEVERYONEHASTORUN I CAN REMEMEBR THE NAME'' (Aka Searing tempest)
timid jay
🤔
dark junco
yeah well I forgot whats 3rd ability in the combo called
undone sun
searing tempest
dark junco
thanks
lean tangle
I mean just be to be clear i've cleared Antorus multiple times as a tank. That log i linked wasn't like my first time.
undone sun
super fun combos on mythic 🔫
prisma crane
i will type what i typed our first day on aggramar lol.
Aggramar technique (N/H) Tank 1 takes personal hit, then spins boss to raid, Tank 2 stands where Tank 1 was, outside of raid to avoid knockback, then taunts after raid hit (this keeps boss stationary) then you take personal hit and Tank 1 taunts back to hit the raid, then everyone moves out then done.
undone sun
it's engaging, sure
round hornet
its boring having your only role be spin the boss around sometimes XD
prisma crane
it's monkaS, i "love" when i misread rend as foe and get knocked to Dalaran
dark junco
@lean tangle Maybe you did, but seems to me like you have a ton of work to do on your tanking side, else mythic is gonna get rough to no ends. healer wont be able to cover the huge amount of DTPS you're getting.
3 tank it ?
lean tangle
3 tank what?
undone sun
well that's normal on mythic now
round hornet
do u kite him around or something?
undone sun
but how we deal with stacks and combos
timid jay
Your strat seemed really strange though Thyme
undone sun
we never taunt swap for stacks and regardless of the first hit in the combo my cotank taunts and i always have it after the tempest
idd, it is a bit different
prisma crane
we 4 tanked it on our second kill, made it cleaner since neither of our main 2 tanks are or have a BDK
round hornet
does the person with all the stacks like not take foebreaker or something?
undone sun
no we do, just because my cotank is a dk with shit mobility he has a harder time getting into position after a tempest and with leap/charge it's easier for me
timid jay
Foe breaker is the least of a warriors worries
undone sun
^
dark junco
^
undone sun
i take foebreaker with 20+ stacks easily
lean tangle
About the spell reflect thing, i'm looking at the doc. When it says blockable does that mean i can spell reflect it?
undone sun
no
round hornet
i c, I haven't tried because I only see my dk cotank almost die with like 7 stacks
undone sun
if it specifically says reflectable that means you 100% reflect it with 0 damage taken
if the damage number on the right is blue that means it's magic so it's reduced by SR's 50% DR
blockable is by shield block
timid jay
Not sure if theres any in the spreadsheet but theres also a difference between Reflectable and deflectable
lean tangle
So for example, felhounds. Corrupting/burning maw it says blockable. Does that mean i can spell reflect?
final mist
You can SR those, but they just reduce the damage
undone sun
it's mitigated by SR's 50% Dr
final mist
They don't reflect
timid jay
Relfectable returns to the target while Deflecting just means you dont take any damage at all while the original caster doesnt take damage either
dark junco
Nothing in raid is reflectable now
lean tangle
So spell reflecting it just means i take 50% damage?
undone sun
if it doesn't specifically say reflectable
dark junco
Mainly the damage mitig on it you want
undone sun
and magic damage
dark junco
^
lean tangle
Demo shout where?
dark junco
If you take booming voice: on CD
(whenever tanking)
But you have booming voice and never did it, thats a huge error
Just make a macro for demoshout and battle cry
and spam it when you spam shield block
lean tangle
I was only using booming voice because i had soul ring.
undone sun
should still make use of the talent
lean tangle
I usually use demo shout when the situation calls for it. Like i don't just use it off cooldown.
dark junco
You should
lean tangle
Like i use it for emergencies.
dark junco
With AM, it reduce all your real CDs
lean tangle
I know i need to be a bit more loose with my CDs is a thing i've been trying to work on.
undone sun
not really a Cd that is used for emergencies
dark junco
Main priority is shield block uptime when tanking
obsidian siren
does armor work on the hasa dot?
dark junco
20% is not enought to ''really'' save your lif when you,re in deepshit
lean tangle
Well the reason i used it for emergencies is because you know you take less damage and also you got free 60 rage from it because of booming voice talent.
timid jay
Yes
timid jay
Generally bleeds arent affected by armor, but there are as usual a few expections. Harjatan being a recent one
final mist
Your emergency CD is SW
undone sun
LS
stark sage
@lean tangle yeah but that rage could have been put towards reducing the CD of SW/last stand
final mist
But you should never really be in an emergency
obsidian siren
So i'm guessing 2+4 is a solid pick
sick sentinel
LS is OHSHITOHSHIT I NEED MORE HP
obsidian siren
mb with arcano+agg?
stark sage
what are you talking about negi
lean tangle
Well i never really get pushed into using defensives all the time. The only time i ever am in a big emergency is P4 argus when i'm trying to survive as long as possible.
undone sun
PK
obsidian siren
gear/trinket picks for M hasabel
sick sentinel
pantheon/doggo is what i used
obsidian siren
Me no has doggo :x
stark sage
yeah still run standard wrist + twf
sick sentinel
what are your options
stark sage
with agg + whod
warm plinth
@lean tangle Reading back a bit, I wanted to clarify that Corrupting/Burning Maw saying blockable does not mean you can spell reflect it. That is one of a few uncommon mechanics that just happens to both be magic and blockable. Blockable means that it is mitigated by a block (meaning with Shield Block or Neltharion's Fury). Reflectable means you can fully reflect (take 0 damage) and do the damage back to the mob. A blue damage number means it's magic and is mitigated by the 50% damage reduction of Spell Reflect (if it's not reflectable). While you can use Spell Reflect on Maws, I believe you typically use SR for higher stack periods and mostly just focus on having Shield Block up for the Maw itself.
stark sage
tbh aggs + dima is what i would run
sick sentinel
arcano would be fine too
stark sage
i dont like arcano on prot that much for defense, even if its a bleed boss
lean tangle
@warm plinth That makes a lot of sense. So for maw i would use both SR and SB or just SB for the most part?
obsidian siren
tbh if i run aggs its more for the DD's than myself
warm plinth
Just SB for the most part I believe. If you have high debuff stacks or whatever it is (I've not actually done the fight on anything but LFR; just know from general knowledge), you can use SR to help ease the damage
stark sage
aggs is just a good dps trinket all around
lean tangle
@warm plinth Alright, good to know.
warm plinth
On heroic and mythic you have to have something up for them or you risk getting 1-shot
dark junco
@lean tangle Do what you want with our inputs, but you're taking a shitton of DTPS and could use more overall mitigation by using things on CDs. Healers have to put a lot of their healings toward you on multiple fights. Most of thoses things could be aleviated by using more Shield block and using Demo shout. Spamming more ignore pain and using more rage will also reduce the CD on most of your abilities. If you can change at least one of your legendary, getting TWF instead of Soul would be beneficial too. Else you can always go with gloves or belt, for a better CD reduction on Demo again.
obsidian siren
Yeah, i agree on agg
I meant is as "there's twice as much aggramar's in the raid if i have it on"
so moar pantheon for the DD's
sick sentinel
the str and verse is nice too
stark sage
its one of our best dps trinkets, and its not useless for surv
sick sentinel
would you guys use amanthuls over agg?
obsidian siren
yas
dark junco
yes
obsidian siren
1000%
dark junco
100000000%
obsidian siren
avoidance/leech proc, moar stats, so much awesomeness
dark junco
Avoidance in ToS is king
lean tangle
@dark junco What fights exactly was i taking a lot of damage on?
dark junco
that passive 20% reduce on almost all relevent mechanics
sick sentinel
What do you mean what fights was I taking a lot of damage on?
dark junco
@lean tangle Compare https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gvkYWxb4wGam2pQP#fight=last&type=damage-taken with https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/32nCkdcFhQM1Kgtr/#type=damage-taken&fight=8&pins=0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24115571027.0.0.Warrior%24false%24132404
You took 145M damage, I took 47M
Thats a gigantic difference
dark junco
Just by upgrading Shield block uptime, spamming ignore pain more with demoshout
it'll help a shitton
obsidian siren
shield block is love
dark junco
its life
obsidian siren
dark junco
before using Shield wall more often, just use shield block whenver you,re tanking, and whenever you,re not too for dps upgrade and more damage absorb overall
sick sentinel
Kralael
languid rose
tbf they're taking more bomb hits than you did, but also way less mitigation on them
sick sentinel
Holy shit you did great damage on garothi
undone sun
well 100% IP is a bit strict but as much as physically possible
warm plinth
You're using Soul of the Battlelord but you have 85 IP casts and only 16 Revenge casts. 🤔
sick sentinel
I wish I had those gauntlet
dark junco
Yeah I'm bored and we don't do mythic anymore, so I try to dps as much as I can since i'm bored
warm plinth
Yeah 80-90% on IP is much more realistic
More if possible but 100% is probably not happening
sick sentinel
100% is easy to do
I hate garothi because I have to run away and that makes me lose a ton of dps cuz of my dot
Deep wounds
dark junco
You're tanking: shield block must be up 99% of the time, and will almost always takes priority over ignore pain
sick sentinel
Shield block is priority when physical damage
languid rose
brb getting 116% haste for kral
sick sentinel
Ignore pain when magic heavy
dark junco
Thats why I said 99% of the time
sick sentinel
117% haste
languid rose
he didn't say 100 😛
dark junco
nah what I mean is: when you,re tanking, you,re supposed to have your shield block 99% of the time, as is you,re supposed to use it. Not that the uptime is supposed to be 99%. Not sure i'm making sense, but yeah.
lean tangle
@dark junco What's your haste at?
languid rose
you can't block forging so you can let it drop to have it up longer after
lean tangle
Woah
sick sentinel
Is that in game or on armory
dark junco
in game
sick sentinel
Cuz my in game haste is way higher
dark junco
tahts not counting procs
sick sentinel
Mine is 30% on armoury I think
dark junco
like chrono/angerboda or things alike
sick sentinel
41% mastery on armoury
warm plinth
Yeah my haste is always lower on the armory on every toon; idk why
It's literally like 9% lower on my DK
sick sentinel
Except crit and vers is exact
lean tangle
@dark junco Were you using Devastator though?
round hornet
@sick sentinel if ur talking about dpsing heroic parses just stand there
sick sentinel
How much would my dps as prot increase if I had stormscale gloves
round hornet
and dont run away
dark junco
Only moment you wanna stack Mastery to the gutter, is prob' Argus, if for whateverreason you wanna hope on crit block for SB
obsidian siren
All hail the 90% mast meme build
sick sentinel
I am talking mythic
dark junco
But I still prefer haste to get my cd's back faster
lean tangle
Gotta keep in mind i was using Indom when i linked those logs. I changed my talent now.
sick sentinel
Indom is bad
timid jay
I dont feel like meme build is even need by far on argus
dark junco
yeah
timid jay
SInce you never want to survive more than 4 scythes anyway
dark junco
Maybe for mythic, but what do I know
sick sentinel
I wanna survive way more than that lol
dark junco
its not optimal if you do
timid jay
Problem is that you'll fuck your raid in mythic if you do more than 4 scythes in p3
warm plinth
@sick sentinel Well, with T21 2pc, SS is probably like 50% of your ST damage and Kakushan's will buff probably ~80% of those over a fight. So pretty substantial
timid jay
You wanna die on the 5th
warm plinth
Sometimes more than 50%. Depends on uptime on boss
warm plinth
Yeah
dark junco
@lean tangle You should also shield slam way more often during Battlecry use
obsidian siren
I went memebuild on M AHC
sick sentinel
Spam it spam it spam it!!!
obsidian siren
worked like a charm
sick sentinel
What's meme build
round hornet
infinite mastery to critblock all the things
dark junco
100% mastery
obsidian siren
90% mastery + t19
sick sentinel
Ah
obsidian siren
100% critblock
sick sentinel
Is it strong
round hornet
yeah
sick sentinel
Makes u invincible to physical?
dark junco
Yes/no
obsidian siren
- 3 bastion of the aspects traits
languid rose
only if you can block the thing that matters
timid jay
You cant reach 100% crit block DR
dark junco
Only if things are blockable and you're good
timid jay
Mastery only increases you chance to crit block
dark junco
you get 60+ bastions of block
timid jay
it doesnt change how much you block
warm plinth
7/7 is 88% reduction. That's the maximum DR from a block
lean tangle
@dark junco I do spam slam during BCry lol but you got so much more haste than i do.
sick sentinel
I wanna try meme build
obsidian siren
That's what i meant by 100% critblock
dark junco
Haste is your mainstat
stark sage
100% crit block just means your blocks are always at 88%
dark junco
What is your haste at ?
sick sentinel
Meme build seems rly strong
lean tangle
I'm only at 33%
dark junco
Should still do more dps than that
languid rose
until you run into magic or kingaroth
dark junco
You're parsing at 9
lean tangle
Well like i said i was using indom, now i'm using devastator.
obsidian siren
You need around 20k mastery though
stark sage
it seems strong until you realize you have to drop a ton of haste to achieve it
sick sentinel
It's okay
dark junco
Still,even with indo you should be doing more than 300k damage
sick sentinel
If I can die
obsidian siren
What Keladan said
languid rose
which also means less block uptime
sick sentinel
Can't die*
sick sentinel
nah
dark junco
yeah and SB uptime is gonna be abyssmal
sick sentinel
I'll use heavy rep
stark sage
HR LUL
sick sentinel
warriors are so under used 😦 this is for mythic coven btw
obsidian siren
Heavy rep? what's that? 😄
dark junco
HR has a ICD iirc
prisma crane
@lean tangle you said you have 33% haste, you'd have to have 22% more to get an extra SS in the BC window, you're fine on haste
lean tangle
To be fair only Kin was the fight i did 300k on, i did higher on every other fight.
prisma crane
idk about ICD, but there's a SB cap time of 18 sec
languid rose
they already switched to deva
sick sentinel
lean tangle
Yeah i'm using Devastator now.
sick sentinel
Devastator makes u way stronger
dark junco
Varimathras heroic: 11
sick sentinel
how come prot wars are so under represented in mythic
dark junco
Thats the perfect fight for patchwork parses for ya
lean tangle
Can someone explain why you don't want to survive as long as possible on P4 Argus?
dark junco
Cause if you mess up as a prot warrior: you dead
timber snow
no raid utility
sick sentinel
if played right tho you are a god
U have to survive as long as possible in phase 4
ember arrow
no need for utility in most fights tho
sick sentinel
I do perfectly fine in mythic
timber snow
but guild wants dk for grip, druid for road, etc
dark junco
If you miss anything, you're done
sick sentinel
Esp on first few bosses
dark junco
So its harder to play a warrior tank
timber snow
monks for being invincible
round hornet
@dark junco its the same as pally tho
sick sentinel
Pally is op
lean tangle
@sick sentinel Some people in here said its inefficient to survive past 5 stacks on Argus P4. I wanna know why.
obsidian siren
What's that? can't hear u with all this stagger
round hornet
@lean tangle only talkin bout mythic
lean tangle
Oh only mythic.
sick sentinel
In phase 4 u wanna stay longer than 8 atleast for heroic
round hornet
@lean tangle in mythic each scythe spawns orbs to be soaked based on # of stacks
in the p3
ember arrow
idk hc i do 18 stacks
dark junco
@lean tangle Well if you make it to mythic Argus: you'll spawn too many orbs
round hornet
if u have 2 many ur fuckin oevr ur raid
dark junco
Its gonna screw your raid over like bigtime
sick sentinel
I wanna get cutting edge argus
i do too
i hope i get it!
progging on m agg right now
round hornet
if you die on the 5th scythe you dont spawn orbs
sick sentinel
You are rly close
round hornet
so theres no orbs for that scythe
just need to be sure to not die before the scythe...
or accidentally survive
dark junco
@lean tangle But on heroic, if you wanna take 18, you can. You just need someoen to die and grab the orbs
prisma crane
i thought the plan is to die on the 4th hit, not the 5th
timid jay
Its the 5th
round hornet
Accidentally surviving probably won't happen for warrior tho
lean tangle
The most i've taken is like 9 stacks. on P4 Argus on heroic. Can people take more lol?
sick sentinel
Aggramar is rly hard cuz you have to figure out the rotation on his technique
You can take way more
One guy here did 18
timid jay
@prisma crane yeah, you die to the 5th scythe
sick sentinel
Since I don't have bracers I die at 12-14
ember arrow
bracers dont matter
timid jay
Arent you on M argus? 
ember arrow
i use legs
prisma crane
yea lol, but i dont pay attention to that yet
sick sentinel
Legs still rly good
timid jay
Gone to red argus yet?
sick sentinel
Bracers make huge difference
prisma crane
but this wk i think we are reclearing, idk yet
lean tangle
I mean on heroic i can only take 9 😒
timid jay
Catching up then
ember arrow
on normal 25
round hornet
@lean tangle make sure u block the scythe
timid jay
Got to p3 last pull last raid
ember arrow
but who cares about normal
timid jay
Sköldkast stormscale EU
prisma crane
we have a couple mongos
round hornet
@lean tangle you dont actaully need to do more, but you can also cycle externals and stuff too
sick sentinel
Thx
lean tangle
@round hornet I always try to keep shield block up for that.
round hornet
more than SB for higher stacks on heroic
timid jay
@sick sentinel Dont put too much trust into my leggos/trinkets, was trying out things for argus
sick sentinel
Damn Cosmo you so f**king good
undone sun
sick sentinel
Right
sick sentinel
I'm checking out the other fights that are like portal keeper
how many people here have killed m argus
that are active chatters
prisma crane
Damn Cosmo, you are so fucking good!
undone sun
ask in 6 hours and i might be able to say yes
ember arrow
Damn Cosmo, you are so fucking good!
timid jay
prisma crane
also, gl thyme!
ember arrow
wish i had a good enough guild 😦
prisma crane
54% in red boy is our best atm
undone sun
thanks, and nice
prisma crane
yea we've got ages to go, have to clear first 2 phases regularly first
round hornet
im only a 10/11 shitter ;_;
prisma crane
we get him to 50% or so in P2 often, then sometimes shit hits the fan
timid jay
You're still reclearing btw=
timid jay
Smh
prisma crane
yea we're reclearing this wk i think
although after this most recent wk, i'd be fine with extending
if we extend ibet we can get it in 2-3 wks
timid jay
2 day raiding guild, always extend once we reach last boss
prisma crane
yea
undone sun
we didn't even extend this week but we skipped up to agg
timid jay
No way we can do it otherwise
prisma crane
esp with how shitty aggramar can be
thorny rivet
yo, my current Warrior legos are Archimondes Hatred reborn(which is still 970), Mannoroth's Bloodletting manacles, Timeless Stratagem and Insignia of the Grand army, which should i be using best in Mythic+?
sick sentinel
do yall think an agg nerf will be coming
undone sun
maybe
thorny rivet
Lights Embrace, Master of shadows, and Refractive shell
undone sun
even if there was i'm not allowed to say yes or no 😏
timid jay
I'd go AHR and bracers then
thorny rivet
and for my other trinket is a Haste stat stick okay?
timid jay
Yeah thats fine
thorny rivet
i can choose between 935 Astral alchemist stone, a 910 haste stat stick and a 910 ettins footnail
not sure which one will work out best
timber lake
which legendaries do you guys think i should use for mythic imonar progression?
sick sentinel
Cosmo what are your secondary stats
thorny rivet
im new here, is Cosmo like the ultimate Prot Warrior? 😄
sick sentinel
He's really good
undone sun
no
timid jay
Thyme destroying my dreams
sick sentinel
What's thyme character name
undone sun
monkaS
sick sentinel
If Cosmo is decent then I suck