protection

[long bronze]

@sick sentinel they killed the 4 ushers too

but not the 2nd set

[junior ivy]

@warm plinth !

[warm plinth]

?

[junior ivy]

i 3 chested a +15

lol

for the first time ever

like an hour ago

[warm plinth]

Nice. Congrats

[junior ivy]

thanksss

[warm plinth]

Just +2ed a Vault +15 myself...that was after +1ing a 13 Maw and a 14 Maw.

Same group as the 14 too

[junior ivy]

nice!

i got a lower kara 18 now that im scared to try lol

[long bronze]

you can do it lol

I'm 10 ilvl lower than you and I did a 17 LK in time with a group of drunks

including me 🙃

[junior ivy]

it herlped that the +15 i 3 chested had really nice people in the group

no pressure, no anger

[warm plinth]

Lower Kara isn't too bad this week

[junior ivy]

just nice people

[warm plinth]

Some close quarters for quaking but other than that it's alright

Too bad I couldn't have done my Cath+15 in time on my mistweaver. We were a a minute or two over because of some dumb wipes

[junior ivy]

apparently ive done cath 15 on time but dont remmeber it lol

i gotta do an arcway. dht,. votw and seat.

[long bronze]

Man I would give my left kidney for a grip ability sometimes

roadhog hook is class fantasy right?

[wet hornet]

Huh

Is grotesque any good anymore, or is it pretty shit compared to new stuff?

[long bronze]

I think you'll average about 7% from it

DR

I forget who it was but somebody was testing a 910 one out

[wet hornet]

Ye, just got it from vendor. Wanted a stat stick 😦

Dont really need immortality anymore

Since I dont raid

[junior ivy]

i hate when i dont get invited to groups in legacy raid finder

like

why dont you want me in your highmaul group

😦

[slate obsidian]

because you're gonna ruin it

the fun, the loot, the internet connection, you're just gonna ruin everythig. for everyone.

[wet hornet]

And class

[white goblet]

which legendaries do u use for m+? i find walls fell + mannoroth's pretty nice working. maybe there's any better combo? (i've all legendaries)

[ember arrow]

surv: wrist + gloves or belt

dps: belt/gloves gloves/AHR if u can pop shield

if u got really good t2 traits maybe even insignia

TWF only iwth setcombo, which i personally dont use anymore

[timid jay]

Belt is really the most important leggo for AoE

[ember arrow]

not everything in m+ is aoe

90% is though

[fierce jungle]

I use belt and wrists

Comes in handy for pvp aswell

[ember arrow]

duels i use wrists/gloves

with codex like the scumbag i am

in instanced pvp leggos dont work

[fierce jungle]

Oh i do world pvp like the scum i am

[ember arrow]

ye but why belt

1min DS cd wit honor talent

[fierce jungle]

To lazy to get others

Though with how eh prots are atm, i feel like this group i keep stomping are just really bad at the game

[ember arrow]

eh?

u can easily take 2 enemies at once

esp melees

dk and bear can too but they dont do enough dmg in my experience

but thats more of a #223972896219856896 discussion

[wet hornet]

But pve prot is also pvp

In a different way

[ember arrow]

what

[slate obsidian]

it's the same way that salami is also a vegetable, just in a different way

[wet hornet]

You fight the other tank

[slate obsidian]

you fight stupidity

you're not winning the battle

[prisma crane]

that lack of sense you're making is astounding

[junior ivy]

ok so

i wanna know if this isa bug

healer in my guild discovered it

if he ius dueling someone

anbd runs into a dungeon in the middle of the duel, zones in

enemies cant attack him

and he cant get hit by m+ affixes

but he can still heal people

and basically be invincible?

im watching him do it now

why is it happenbing\

we are both confused

he cant target enemikes

[ember arrow]

and this is related to prot how?

ask the discrod healer is in or send a ticket

[junior ivy]

just wondering if it was a common thing that happens

[white goblet]

all u need is spell reflection, ignore pain, shield block

[dawn fractal]

Just got the bracers today, THAAAAAAAANNNNNNK THE GOOOOOOOODS

[sick sentinel]

havent played prot at max level, but have always heard that vengeance is the best talent in the row

but all top logs have booming voice

is BV for dps and Veng for surv?

[slate obsidian]

Vengeance is good if you can weave Revenge and Ignore pain, but since you hardly ever use revenge with t21 it's obsolete

[sick sentinel]

BV and AM is the best

[fresh ember]

Is protection good for M+ at the moment?

All good teams only run DK tanks 😦

[wet hornet]

Too bad none of the available races can be dk. Woulda leveled mine

[glacial sage]

they already start at 55

[ember arrow]

@fresh ember its ogod but punishing

my stock answer #43535

lack utility, good surv/dmg

[dawn fractal]

any race released outside of base races cant be because they weren't "around" for Arthas's demise

[timid jay]

I mean, zandalari trolls definitely make sense

[fresh ember]

but it should be possible to run 15-20s with friends without any problems as prot right?

Or is DK really that much better?

[timid jay]

Its fine

[ember arrow]

15-20 is ez

[wet hornet]

Zandalari needs paladins.

Please blizzard. I beg you

[glacial sage]

ew, nasty

[wet hornet]

Shush. They are more canon than tauren paladins

[verbal socket]

Paladin fanboys thataway

[lean tangle]

Why we talking about paladins in here?

Paladins are fake news.

[wet hornet]

Dunno

[solid condor]

I have a question. So currently my warrior has 29.98% haste, with the t21 4pc. I just got the Soul of the Battlelord ring, and I love the rings that give an extra talent, it makes the spec usually feel more complete. Before, I was running Gloves / Belt legendaries. I'm just curious if it's worth dropping gloves for the ring. Haste stays roughly the same, using Devastator, AM and BV all the time

[timid jay]

Soul is not worth it with t21 2p

It loses a lot of value, gloves are a lot stronger than soul

[solid condor]

Okay, that's what I thought. Was just making sure! The rage gen from gloves are kinda insane for def to

[lean tangle]

I don't have gloves yet, i'm using soul and wrists.

But its hard to even find a slot since i use 4pc T20 + 2pc T21.

Is 4pc T20, 2pc T21 still the most optimal build?

[final mist]

For defensive, but you don't necessarily need it.

You should be more than fine with even just the t21 2pc.

[lean tangle]

So i shouldn't be using 4pc t20?

[final mist]

There's really no need to unless you want to go "SUPER ULTRA MEGA DEFENSIVE", but there's no need to.

[lean tangle]

Sounds good, i read forever ago (i think from the prot guide) that 4pc t20 2pc t21 was the most optimal. I got a lot of good gear but my T20 is pretty garbage for the most part.

I'm gonna miss all the rage i get from berserker rage though lol

[nocturne plover]

4 / 2 setup with bracers is pretty ridiculous

[lean tangle]

Yeah i was using 4pc t20 + 2pc t21 with bracers and soul. I had tons of self healing and would self heal for like 800k+ on some fights.

[nocturne plover]

4 /2 with bracers and belt is my fav "defensive" build

but my t20 is garbage now, cant sac 115 ilvls

[novel temple]

Oh yeah, how good is the NLC ring if you’ve got 2/3 torment the weak traits?

Cause torment the weak is the best single target dps trait rift?

[lean tangle]

How are these stats? What do i need to adjust?

[upper spoke]

i wouldnt worry about those stats

weigh ilvl against tier bonus and legendaries

[sick sentinel]

those stats look good

tier bonus is 1st priority since the set is pretty good

lookin good

looks similair to mine

yeah almost exact same as mine

except my block is higher

[lean tangle]

I'm using 2pc T21 and other pieces of gear with eye of shatug trinket and Diima's glacial aegis.

[warm plinth]

@lean tangle You should be using it in Eye of F'harg form most of the time

[magic light]

is there a list for bis legos in the pins?

[sick sentinel]

there should be

but gloves bracers belt is generaly best three

[junior ivy]

i 1 shotted moroes on +18

im proud

[dusky mica]

you mean the dps one shot it for you

[junior ivy]

😦

hey.

give me credit

i stayed alive thats my job

and i did it well

[languid rose]

moroes is better at killing dps tho

[zinc creek]

Gj @junior ivy

[junior ivy]

ty!

[round vortex]

Fuck the haters lol nice job 😃

[candid vine]

Moroes isn't hard to tank tbh...

It's more about the DPS staying out of shit, interrupting, and healer keeping everyone up. You learn quick to pop shield wall on pull :P

And demo*

[royal cobalt]

Is there an offensive trinket guide?

[warm plinth]

No; we don't have working sims so we don't really know what trinkets are best beyond feelycraft and personal experience.

[junior ivy]

I AM ON A ROLL WITH M+S TODAY

[winged marsh]

i hear that bud, gimmie a high 5

👋🏼

[junior ivy]

🖐

my score went from 2036 to 2131

ina day

https://raider.io/characters/us/rexxar/Hill

LOOK AT THOSE +18S

[novel temple]

wait, is a high lvl eye trinket from the dogs better than DMD?

[winged marsh]

brought my score up 300 points today myself. Was a really good day 😃

[warm plinth]

@novel temple From a defensive perspective, no

DMD has much higher average armor than F'harg

So I just did a 15 Halls

And Hyrja did Shield of Light before any other mechanic. Wtf is that about

[deft sapphire]

sometimes that happens, did you not move her out of one of the beams quickly?

theres some rng with hyrja spell queuing

[warm plinth]

Could be. Never had it happen before though and I didn't do anything differently. It threw me off pretty bad though XD

[ember arrow]

Ye it sometimes gappens. Idk what triggers it

[scenic venture]

yo so how bad is 50% shield block uptime on agg, i dont know how warrior works

[harsh mulch]

Any of you guys got some minimalistic WA for controlling P warrior?

[ember arrow]

@scenic venture hc or mythic

[scenic venture]

myuthic

[ember arrow]

use SB on 5+ stacks

thats what i do

[ionic fern]

Aight, so i just did DHT +16 on my 940 ilvl warrior with Prydaz+AHR...everything was going fine untill Oakheart..he fucking wrecked me even through SR+Demo shout o.o

And the 2nd thing..how on earth am i supposed to survive the trash on the way to the last boss in the corridor? All the casters.

[warm plinth]

On a +16 non-tyr? That's odd...

[ionic fern]

I got hammered so hard

[clear sapphire]

did you SR?

[ionic fern]

Yeah

I used SR+Demo

Still almost died.

o.o

[clear sapphire]

then his grip does about nothing 😛

[warm plinth]

On that trash I run in with SR because the first volley is all gonna hit you

And be liberal with warbringer stuns

[ionic fern]

Well, i died on Oakheart to his 2nd grip ..and then i died on the corridor trash like 2 times. Even tho i used my SR + AHR and all my CD's. 😒

[warm plinth]

You have SR for every grip. Remember you can keep hitting him and generating rage for IPs while he's got you too; you're not stunned or anything

[clear sapphire]

I would say you have to be doing something wrong then. You wouldnt happen to have logs from it would you?

[ionic fern]

No, diddn't log it since i diddn't think i'd have problems on a +16. 😦

Jeah i know i can keep on hitting him etc..he just chunked like 30% of my hp per tick.

But i'm not saying i diddn't do anything wrong, that'

that's why im here to maybe get some tipos.

😄

I bet i did a ton of things wrong, lol

[sick sentinel]

My guild just asked me to reroll DH or Druid...they don't like warrior tanks 😦

[ionic fern]

o.o

[sick sentinel]

Are they that bad?

[warm plinth]

No, they're just more punishing if you make a mistake

And are actually pretty great on a few bosses due to being able to shrug off mechanics

[sick sentinel]

What bosses?

[warm plinth]

Vari and Aggramar for example. Spell Reflect for Shadow Slash and Neltharion's Fury for Foebreaker

[merry cave]

Any tips for mythic imonar, about to start feel like im gonna get smoked for some reason

[prisma crane]

2 questions

are you doing the bridge soaks?

and

are you soaking up mines on platforms 2 and 3?

[ember arrow]

@sick sentinel time for a new guild

if they take class over player

unless u are in top bleeding edge guilds (if u were, u wouldnt be asking this question)

[round hornet]

Even if they wanted you on a different tank... Why dh lol. Haven't heard much good about their performance other than dps

[ember arrow]

@merry cave use SB on shock lances during their cast, that way u can block 2 with one SB

use LS/SW be4 second sever hits

on second bridge, chain cds to deal with bleed+melees

[round hornet]

Also I don't think I agree about player over class. There are some roles not everyone can fill in raid.

[ember arrow]

ye there are

unless u are doing world first

we;re tanlijng about tanks

[round hornet]

Idk how to even do agramar without a dk

[ember arrow]

talking

move boss? >_>

to embers

thats more a lack of imagination on ur part

[merry cave]

Thanks levko

[round hornet]

Sounds insanely messy, and hard to do

[ember arrow]

Wow and hard

not same sentence

[round hornet]

Keep them far away to not be empowered and close enough to run over when needed

[ember arrow]

unless raid is incapable of watching his energy

and stacking at 100

u can cc embers

while moving to one

unless u have araid of 14 idk shaman dps

then the problem u just mentioned happens

[round hornet]

Cc breaks after like 8 seconds or something?

[ember arrow]

most hard cc doesnt

1 min or 25 sec

unless ppl shoot cc targets

but aggramar is one of the "retard check"bosses

i agree without dk it requires more communication, but its not like its near impossible

[round hornet]

If you could cc that long noone would do this dumb knockbsck slow strat

[ember arrow]

u can blond them

paralyze them

blind*

banish

freeze

[timber snow]

root

[ember arrow]

only freeze lasts short

[timber snow]

knockback

[ember arrow]

all others at least 25 sec

if that boss is hard without dk because most people are incompetent, thats not a reason to say a dk is necessary

i mean look at the miniboss at start of EOEN

he has 5 sec cast

looks in a direction

and people stand infront of him and die

[round hornet]

There's 0 public logs without blood dk so far

[ember arrow]

thats the level im talking about

irrelevant

its easier, doesnt make it necessary

i never talked about # of kills or logs

6/11 atm, but i dont see how that matters. i can taste if food is shit without being a maasterchef

good argument mate

LUL

@sick sentinel btw, deleting his own messages 😃

[sick sentinel]

sup?

o/

levko calm as always - lul

[eager falcon]

I assume StB isnt good anymore with t21?

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2cLTrFpwjXJW6N4C#fight=32&type=damage-done

aggramar w/o dk

lul

[eager falcon]

heroic

[sick sentinel]

but pug

! 😛

what u mean with StB ? too early for me

[eager falcon]

Shatter the bones relic, increased crit chance of Shieldslam if shieldblock is up

[sick sentinel]

aaarr right, at least i was on right track

RoF & TC are bis dps traits

Bastion > all 4 def

[eager falcon]

didnt get those unfortunately

[sick sentinel]

and StB got hard nurfd through t21 2p - right tho

basically just go bastion

if u dont plan a all-out-meme-dps-built 😃

[eager falcon]

Nah I go for dps unless there's bastion in it or literally no other dps trait

[sick sentinel]

wouldnt do 😃 but ur choice

[ember arrow]

@JokeZ#7780 im not calm?

[sick sentinel]

bastion is stronk as fck

@ember arrow just the usual Levko calmness 😛 all gud dude

had a laugh..harhar

[ember arrow]

He told me to kys so i said good argument

Then he deleted post like a lil bitch

[sick sentinel]

wtf is Tommy ? xD i didnt even get it

just saw u raging. lul

post delete always gud.

[ember arrow]

If u call that raging

Oh boi

[sick sentinel]

😃

[round hornet]

Only meant mythic of @sick sentinel

Since it's the only pve where comp matters

[sick sentinel]

ill keep tracked tho ..muaha

[ember arrow]

Passive aggressivw is the word

[sick sentinel]

@round hornet np all gud. ^^

true that comp statement

gosh im fckd - no time for the progress

makes me mad! reroll inc

[merry cave]

@ember arrow sorry just a question, how many stacks does he normally have before you interupt

[round hornet]

Don't worry about how many stacks imonar has, more important to look at how far you raid has moved across bridge

[sick sentinel]

guys, is it inteded warbringer stun doesnt interrupt that consume cast of spiders in arcway ?

shockwave does tho :/ pretty uncool

[silk mortar]

It does interrupt for me

[sick sentinel]

sure? tested like 4-5 times yesterday

intercept on spider, intercept on target channeled .. tested all, didnt interrupt for me

[undone sun]

yeah, works for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

Well...it's not that they don't work. It's that those spiders for some weird reason will be untargetable sometimes, and I'm sure when they're like that, Warbringer doesn't actually connect with them.

[harsh mulch]

Guys which weakauras to use for my prot warrior? Need minimalistic ones.

[ember arrow]

define minimalist

[sick sentinel]

aight, appreciate the anwsers 😛 will test again

[cold topaz]

is it legit to run any nighthold tier pieces if they are titanforged enough

2p nighthold + 4p antorus

[ember arrow]

if u can get them 950

it is probably legit

but u need REALLY high TF

set, esp after nerf isnt really worth it anymore

[undone sun]

and i've only really ever seen it run on mythic argus with high TF

[ember arrow]

only place is mythic argus maybe

[timber snow]

impeding victory or safeguard for m+? i feel like safeguard benefits more to party while impending just make me have small oh-shit button and generally be less dependant on healer (still no wrist)

[slate obsidian]

safeguard is easily the stronger option, but if you just do some really low pug-crap impending victory isn't horrible

[merry cave]

how the hell do you handle stairs on a 23 fortified BRH key -_-

[wet hornet]

Carefully

iirc, fortified is just a flat buff on all trash ye?

Or is that the one that spreads to other trash when one dies?

That's bolster

???

[slow moon]

Orc or goblin warrioress? 🤔

[wet hornet]

Doesnt matter

Play what you like

[slow moon]

looks wise

[undone sun]

subjective

[slow moon]

No shit

that's why I pool opinions 😄

[merry cave]

im a goblin

its fun

[timber snow]

You can rocket launch, heroic leap, charge to cut pretty good distance while looking good

[sick sentinel]

IV GO BACK TO DISC PRIEST

😛

[junior ivy]

i am so proud of my score

[zealous veldt]

I did a real dumb thing

and when I boosted my warrior, I went prot

so now im just an undergeared inexperienced tank lol

[junior ivy]

thats a smart thing

[zealous veldt]

🤔 how

[junior ivy]

cause prot is fun 😄

[timber snow]

charge in and slam people with shield, what else would you want to do?

[zealous veldt]

see I find it fun

Im just worried about finding guild as a tank which is hard enough, as well as getting geared

[zealous ore]

finding groups is easy as tank

[calm cove]

you can just swap to dps spec

[zealous ore]

And you can always gear a DPS spec for a guild

Ya

[junior ivy]

how hard would dht 18 be this week?

[glacial sage]

Not too difficult as long as you have good dps

[junior ivy]

like would it be possible to beat the timer?

for me?

[glacial sage]

If you had a good group, yeah

[junior ivy]

i can prob get one

this is what i did last night.

i think if i try really hard i can 1 chest an 18

[glacial sage]

Good luck

[junior ivy]

thanks

[wet hornet]

@zealous veldt undergeared prot just kills slowed. Undergeared dss kills slower and dies in 3 hits

[zealous veldt]

fair enough

[wet hornet]

FUCK OFF PHONE

Dps

There

[slate obsidian]

is nightmare egg shell any good for dps-ing?

[junior ivy]

help i need jhelp

what is the arcway strat with bubblkes

wehre you leave thge instance?

[royal cobalt]

kill first two blobs, zone out

kill second wave of big blobs, zone out

[junior ivy]

ty

[royal cobalt]

sure

[woven pier]

hello what enchantement and jewels for a war tank 928 ilvl ?

[undone sun]

haste

[woven pier]

only haste ?

[timid jay]

You want to aim for haste yes

Haste > mastery >= versa >>crit

[woven pier]

ok so i will do this ty

what's the cap for it ?

[timber snow]

more haste

[ember arrow]

@woven pier 116% is cap

good luckj

[timber snow]

how much of haste is that?

50k?

[ember arrow]

idk

thats when u have 100% SB uptime with AM

[timber snow]

realistic

gimme few weeks

[undone sun]

otherwise there's no cap to worry a bout

[timid jay]

Its 43875 rating for 117% haste

[timber snow]

cool...just need to quadruple my current rating

[old zephyr]

What does the 116 means ? 100% up time on SB ?

[timid jay]

Yup

Its roughly 116.7% haste for that

[timber snow]

whats the global cooldown at this haste? or it stops at some point?

[timid jay]

It stops at 0.75

iirc thats at 100% haste

[timber snow]

get that shadowpriest-smashing-buttons feeling

[junior ivy]

arcway is scary on fort

[ember arrow]

not for tank

unless ur doin +23 or higher

[woven pier]

what potions and food for a tank ?

sorry i am from bc i have a lot of questions ^^

[undone sun]

Old war for ST DPS
Prolonged for everything else

Str feast > haste > stam feast

[woven pier]

can u link me potions and expendables ?

from wowhead or something else

[ember arrow]

look up

Lavish suramar feast

potion of prolonged power

potion of the old war

azshari salad

[woven pier]

ty very much my friends

[timber snow]

To get str buff from feast, you need to switch to dps spec otherwise expect stam buff

[woven pier]

its impossible to get 43785 haste

[junior ivy]

any good or no?

[woven pier]

i dont understand this one

[undone sun]

@junior ivy no

[junior ivy]

ty

[timid jay]

Yeah it is

[junior ivy]

oh

[timid jay]

It mostly a meme the 117% haste

[junior ivy]

wow thyme and cosmo disagree the 2 most trustworthy poeple who do i trust

oh wait cosmo didnt mean my trinket

ill DE the trinket lol

[timid jay]

Yeha, the trinket is garbage

[junior ivy]

im thinking about using warbringer.

[timid jay]

We have to find something else to disagree on

[junior ivy]

thoughts?

[undone sun]

best talent

[timid jay]

Havent specced out of warbringer since I started using it

[junior ivy]

oncei change talents they are permanent

should i do it

[timid jay]

Yes

[junior ivy]

ok ty

a warlock in that arcwyas 17 trold me to

ive become good at m+ since yesterday

[timid jay]

A good warlock 👌

[ember arrow]

OKKKK

[junior ivy]

ok so if i use warbringer.,. i take shockwave off my action bar right?

[undone sun]

yup

[junior ivy]

this is a problem

i have nothing to replace it with

[undone sun]

🤦

[ember arrow]

???

[junior ivy]

having an empty action bar slot would drive me crazy

but i repolaced it with drums of the fury

[ember arrow]

put revive pets on it

idk

[junior ivy]

now i can replace drums with jeeves

[timid jay]

I just removed devastate from my bars

👌

[long bronze]

Damn drums on keybind is a bold mkcd

[ember arrow]

mental breakdown during typing

[long bronze]

I accidently hit it once and was like well let's move that

[ember arrow]

Kappa

[junior ivy]

welll i need something there

guess i coluld put um

my jumper cables

that res people like 1 in 100 times

cause they suck

and blizz hates engineers

[ember arrow]

ironic statement

is ironic

[junior ivy]

my m+ score is so high noww

[ember arrow]

we know

u only said it like

2342 times

[junior ivy]

its exciting lol

[woven pier]

u are trollers no ?

[undone sun]

you also link your skada window a thousand times

[ember arrow]

@woven pier what?

[woven pier]

117% of haste ?

[ember arrow]

if u did like +24 keys

[junior ivy]

you tell him thyme

[ember arrow]

id be like

damn

but u link +17 keys

[long bronze]

Cat just put pylon there

[junior ivy]

pylon? yoiu mena brazier of awakening?

i have that on my bars

[ember arrow]

...............

[long bronze]

I use them instead of cables because you can use before you die to save a run back

[junior ivy]

wait what is pylon again

ois it the same as brazier of awakening?

[ember arrow]

@undone sun i can link u my skada window anytime KappaPride

[long bronze]

Failure detection pylon

[sick sentinel]

imagine tryin to setup pylon with ur reaves 🤔

[junior ivy]

oh yeah

[novel temple]

@warm plinth thats what i thought. i thought it was just better offensively. i wouldnt use dmd or the eye if i were going for damage. which i usually always am

[junior ivy]

i forgot those existed

there, all my important stuff for combat

looks nice even without shockwave

[ember arrow]

U still click? 🤢

[junior ivy]

mhm

for now yeah

[ember arrow]

Whats ur total dos in those runs?

If u wanna talk bout m+ so much

[junior ivy]

dps?

um how do i see that

i did 869k on lkast boss

[ember arrow]

.......

[junior ivy]

last*

i only have it set it to show me last fight

[ember arrow]

Skada select total

Seriously

[undone sun]

details and skada should have an overall option

[junior ivy]

this was last boss

also yeah i have details, lemme find that option

[undone sun]

click the page looking button

[junior ivy]

this was overall

[ember arrow]

That dk is :wheelchair:

[timid jay]

Arent all DK's? 🤔

[junior ivy]

after we finished the mage was like "be honest how much did the DK pay to be here"

and i was like noooo dk you did fine dont listen

[ember arrow]

Well mage did 1.3 he shudnt be talking

I do more

His dps is as terrible

[junior ivy]

yeah it was a slow dungeon

we were 5.5 mins past timer

didnt upgrade key

also the mage only had one legendary

[sturdy sable]

He knew with both the instance couldn't handle his dps

[junior ivy]

lolol

i moved from 9th best tank on my realm to 8th (thats tank of ANY class).

[sturdy sable]

But your not seventh you know Mildreds son is seventh

[junior ivy]

i need 42 pts to move up another rank and be 7th

i can d othat tonight

i got dht 18 key 😄

[ember arrow]

Ez 3 chest

Right?

[junior ivy]

definitely.

[narrow karma]

SB and IP ever up at the same time in 5-mans and mythics? Or only IP when SB not available or against magic damage? Don't have vengeance yet for weaving

[undone sun]

SB is active mitigation, IP is EHP increase

use both

[narrow karma]

Okay, just felt like potential overkill to be having them both up together at the expense of an extra revenge now and again. Assume it will be different if I go vengeance

[ember arrow]

Then content ur doing is too easy

If both at once is overkill

[narrow karma]

Well I am only level 80atm. Just trying to plan for the future

So for right now I'm pretty much using IP anytime the buff isn't up and only using revenge on free procs or if I have to pick up adds and TC is on CD

Just wanted to make sure I'm not making a bad habit that will be hard to break

[ember arrow]

Ahh leveling it doesnt matter

On hard content us obly free revenge use it on cd

[narrow karma]

Well I mean I want to be able to make a smooth transition by already having practiced the right priority/rotation so it's second nature when the content gets harder

[ember arrow]

fuckin pgone discord

[narrow karma]

Ok didn't understand that at all!

[ember arrow]

when surv is issue use free procs only

Otherwise use it on cd

[narrow karma]

Revenge on CD? How is it possible to have that much rage?

[ember arrow]

T21

Alot of haste

[waxen mica]

What about tier pieces? Guides recommend T20 4pc + T21 2pc but most people seem to be using only T21 2pc and some even going T21 4pc.. quite confusing 😮

[timid jay]

The tier combo is strongest for survivability provided your t20 is high ilvl

[undone sun]

defensively the tier combo is the go to if you have somewhat decent pieces, provides a significant survivability increase

[timid jay]

A decent rule of thumb to use is that if you have heroic t20 and you can get heroic t21, go for t21 4pc

[undone sun]

if they're only running t21 2pc they're most likely going for damage

[waxen mica]

So for a recently geared char (950) it would still be worth farming ToS for T210 4pc?

[timid jay]

Unless you're clearing mythic for t20 I wouldnt bother

[waxen mica]

Okay thanks, seems like sticking to T21 then

[white goblet]

what are the best survi legendaries for raid progression?>

[long bronze]

Gloves and bracers or bracers and Twf

Belt is great if you have aoe

[copper ridge]

So I did a 15 maw...i felt a little squishy and I'm 955 https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/malganis/dbol

Can any one examine me lol

[long bronze]

It's probably how you played not how you geared

Warrior requires much more precise mitigation usage because of how it works VS other tanks

[copper ridge]

Bosses no problem

Adds I was getting wrecked an it wasn't the rebuff cause we did small pulls

Debuff

Could it of been quaking

[long bronze]

What does your hps look like in trash

I typically top the healer on most pulls until bursting starts going

Also is your haste actually 20%?

Is pretty low. I know levko plays with lower haste and does extremely well but not that low

[copper ridge]

In game it was 30 last time I checked

And I don't have wrist yet

[long bronze]

Yeah that's fine. I mean in 15 fortified you'll take damage but you shouldn't be feeling squishy

[ember arrow]

My trash set is 32 haste

[long bronze]

You using demo shout and nelths to fill gaps where you don't have a SB?

[ember arrow]

Boss set 22

DS on cd on trash

[copper ridge]

Yea, prob me. I mained a rogue so just trying to get the hang of it

Gonna main prot in bfa

I just started bout 4 weeks ago on warr

Ty for the insight

[ember arrow]

Stats dont make u squishy. It mostly gameplay

[copper ridge]

Yea I'll have to read dj over

[ember arrow]

U can ask me or some1 else anything bout m+

[junior ivy]

i still get declined to m+ groups if its a 17 or higher

what should i do?

every time i make progress i think 'now ill get accepted!"

[ember arrow]

score too low

they dont want wearr

most ppl i do keys with is either good pugs or friends i met in m+

[junior ivy]

how do warrior tanks manage tlo get good scores then?

to*

ohh

nm, you just answered

[ember arrow]

i did my own keys

i limk my thic kills

etc

[junior ivy]

im saving my key for when a friend comes on

so just tryin to pug right now

[ember arrow]

i save time

if a group wipes on 20 or less on bosses

i leave

easy

[junior ivy]

really?

id be so mad if that was my key lol

[ember arrow]

yep

[junior ivy]

i hoipe you at least warn people first

[ember arrow]

no

[junior ivy]

thats mean

[ember arrow]

i try to solo boss first

[junior ivy]

i put "nice people only" in my group descriptions

[ember arrow]

some cant be

if they wipe and i kill boss which happens 90% of time if that happens

i stay and warn

otherwise nope

its not mean, its efficient

[sick sentinel]

NO MISTAKES ALLOWED

[ember arrow]

indeed

u shud expect certain THINGS at those keys

[tiny sphinx]

sub20 wipes now are like 'whut have you been doing this whole time?'

[junior ivy]

sometimes people just make mistakes though its okay

[prisma crane]

speaking of keys, finally got rid of my best HoV being a 3chested 15 lol

[ember arrow]

gz!

not really catfirned

[prisma crane]

3795 now

[junior ivy]

omg krotos

[ember arrow]

if i join a +22 i expect people to not make mistakes

[prisma crane]

people do make mistakes

[junior ivy]

well im 2160 now (i was 2036 yesterday)

[ember arrow]

joining a +15 vs +20 i dont expect a +15 group to play flawlessly

[prisma crane]

people make mistakes all the time, shit happens, the goal is to minimize it

[ember arrow]

wow isnt that hard

[junior ivy]

true i guess people in 20s should be better players

[ember arrow]

equip prydaz

stand not in fire

[junior ivy]

i tend to be really patient with people though

[ember arrow]

i suck as dps

so i dont go join +20 keys

unlike some people i saw

[prisma crane]

lev, you need a bigger upper, it'

it's cake this wk

[ember arrow]

yep

been busy

[junior ivy]

yeha i did a 17 upper in the timer last night

[prisma crane]

no excuses, play like a champion

[junior ivy]

was super easy

[ember arrow]

@prisma crane i agree

[prisma crane]

we've got a 23 this wk, if we actually make timer, which we should, it'll beat my 25 key

fucking worm boss ruined our key 😦

[ember arrow]

WARNING

11mil hp WARR

next to me

AAAHHHHH

indom/vengeance/HR and t21 2p

[tiny sphinx]

I weep searing tears of pitch and blood for them

[ember arrow]

NotLikeThis

i dont even bother anymore

often respionse is smt like

[prisma crane]

lol i still do

[ember arrow]

fuck u i do what i want

OK MAN

[prisma crane]

i gotta try to fix my class's image

[ember arrow]

i do it by words

not deeds

70% of friends list is ppl adding after m+

im proud of that

no good keys in group finder

none that wud increase my score

[junior ivy]

i just applied to like 5

declined for all

17s and 18s

maw and EoA ugh

[ember arrow]

no m+, back to xcom then

[onyx sky]

hey, anyway to check which version of teh eye trinket people use on warcraftlogs?

if its armor/str or sta/vers

[ember arrow]

lol people ask for dh/dk on a +16 key

ayyy lmao

[little rain]

I saw a group asking for 3500 score for a 19 lels

Hoping to get 5k by tuesday. Wish me luck bois. We usually stream if ne1 is interested I'll dm when were running.

[ember arrow]

i cnat use my SS

WTF

[long bronze]

cutting edge with windscar wetstone

COINCIDENCE?

@onyx sky str armor

[prisma crane]

gl man!

[long bronze]

go get um Trav

[ember arrow]

got a 7mil hp mage

dying all the fucking time

[long bronze]

one of them guys

who thinks getting carried in raids makes them good at m+

[calm sequoia]

@little rain on Twitch? What's the channel

[analog swift]

@little rain post that link boi

[little rain]

Until I get my new specs you can catch us through our warlock or shamans' stream @ https://www.twitch.tv/destrominator & https:// www.twitch.tv/naesam respectively

[long bronze]

pug dps man

also that pally died like every pull

like how

[sick sentinel]

Yeah pug dps isn't usually good, 1 time tho there was some fury warrior who was pulling 2.6 million

What server was that on?

I searched up Getbent on Warcraft logs, how do you do so much damage on eonar???

I always struggle doing somewhat decent damage on that fight

[narrow karma]

Why are prot warriors ranked so low by the general community? What would need to change to put them in the top 3?

[junior ivy]

can anyone give me the link the druid discord? the actual URL, it wont let me get it

[long bronze]

yeah thats me

on tich

[timid jay]

https://goo.gl/xNHVnK

?

[junior ivy]

ty

a guildie wanted it

[ember arrow]

@narrow karma utility, cheat death mechanic and less shitty talwnts that look good but are shit. like indomitable

[narrow karma]

@ember arrow it's a shame because I'm having a lot of fun leveling as prot. What kinds of utility/cheat death are you thinking? Like examples from other classes

[ember arrow]

@narrow karma i did mythic raiding without problem and up to +24 keys

its noit lack of survivability

its the fact that other tanks arent nearly as punishing, most notably dk and druid

pala actually is quite similar in some ways to us

to get back to ur question, thing like purgatory or last resort would make raiding easier (although if u play warr well, u will never get low to begin with)

secondly, having some sort of aoe displacement like typhoon wud be nice

[narrow karma]

Pala is the other tank that I like but there is too much utility spells imo

Like shockwave with a knock back?

[ember arrow]

idk, its not my job to make this up

dont need to be a car mechanic to see a car can be better

[languid rose]

would rather have grip than knockback

[ember arrow]

either utility in form of cc or in form of aiding others

like paladins

there is 0 reason why commanding shout is unavailable on prot spec

for example

i know will be in BFA but that hardly matters in legion

worldcursher typing essay

i feel it

[warm plinth]

Prot used to have commanding shout didn't they? Pretty sure I'm remembering correctly

I was. But you were handling it mostly so I erased it haha

[ember arrow]

idk, i didnt play be4

but as i said

hardly relevant

m+ is where utility was being deemed to important

[narrow karma]

Can you give any basic, not encounter specific advice, to being good enough to not get low?

[ember arrow]

block blockable abilities>melees in that order

know what is reflectable

know what type of dmg is incoming

dont be afraid to use LS/SW

use artifact for downtime of SB

dont stand in fire

[narrow karma]

So basically memorize encounters heh

[warm plinth]

Aside from paladins, we're the most proactive tank there is. We have to know what's coming ahead of time and have the proper mitigation ready for it. DKs, for example, can mostly fumble their way through an encounter because if they fuck up they just Death Strike and they're full health again

[ember arrow]

yes hobbit

if u dont SB when u must sb u get fucked

if u do u take 0 dmg

diff between good warr and bad one is good one stays 90%

bad one gets oneshot

since IP is our hp essentially

warrior at 100% withotu any IP is like other tanks at 60%

another thing healers must know, which they usually dont and then are suprised why warr takes dmg

[narrow karma]

DK seems to have a lot more buttons to press tho, right @warm plinth ?

[ember arrow]

haHAAAA

no

[warm plinth]

I mean, if you actually look at each tank spec, they all have a pretty similar number of buttons to press

But we have the most buttons to press that matter

[ember arrow]

dk have alot of small things

we have alot off global cd

[narrow karma]

Looking at icy-veins, DK has like 6 more steps in their "rotation"

[ember arrow]

yea

step 1

dont look on icy veins

[timid jay]

BDK is really easy to play

Its not that many buttons

[warm plinth]

Most of the icy-veins rotation is "use this here" and then later in the rotation it says "or use this here if you don't have this proc"

[ember arrow]

low risk

[warm plinth]

Looks like more steps but it's really just telling you when to use the same ability if the prior conditions weren't met

[ember arrow]

yea exactly

[warm plinth]

And it's also wrong, because it tells you not to use DnD on single target with Rapid Decomp

[ember arrow]

it says like whne 2 enemes without d&d talent

use d&D otherwise on 1 enemy

use d&d on cd

[warm plinth]

Yep

[narrow karma]

Icy-veins not a good resource?

[ember arrow]

i have play4ed bear and dk i know them

[warm plinth]

Besides, like most tanks, it's just a priority list, not a rotation. The only tank that has a static rotation is Brewmaster. They have no procs or anything to manage and anything outside of their DPS rotation is off the GCD

[languid rose]

looking at logs, prot warriors at like twice the casts per minute of blood dk in same fight

[ember arrow]

when u fuck up metigation checks, not use cds

ur fine

esp on druid

[warm plinth]

icy-veins is a good super beginner resource. It's typically right about what talents to take (TYPICALLY. Not always the case) and can give you a good summary of the spec

But class discords are the real resource these days

[ember arrow]

well said

i use it for my frost mage to start leveling

but if i ever will do a m+20

i will go to mage discord

basically

[timid jay]

Icy veins varies a lot on a spec by spec basis

[warm plinth]

It really just depends who wrote the guide. For example the hunter guides are actually pretty decent and the hunter discord will even direct you to it

But that's also partly because they're too busy memeing to explain things

[ember arrow]

When used against an ally, the effects on the ally remain the same as for Intercept, but any enemies within 5 yards of them will take damage if they are stunnable.

quote fro micy veins

it doesnt say that u STUN THE ENEMIES TOO

things like this

so people dont take it

if not directed to us

....Ravager, being able to produce great burst DPS for burst phases or AoE packs."

also they mention indom is safer option for survival

i can go on like this

i am only 3 min in the guide

[warm plinth]

Yeah the prot guide triggers me

[ember arrow]

We advise you to aim for an almost 100% effective uptime (as in, while you are actively tanking) on Shield Block Icon Shield Block, and saving Rage to use on Ignore Pain Icon Ignore Pain when you are low on health or when burst damage is incoming.

no no no no NOO

dont save IP when low HP

i should stop cluttering this chat

[warm plinth]

lol, at least the first part is right, for last tier.

[ember arrow]

but u get the point

i know its right, just copying alot of text for right context

[final mist]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember arrow]

i dont know that much about my mage, or dk to go tru them like that

so i cant speak for the validity of icyveins guide for them

@final mist why is icyveins guide not made by people from Skyhold

or is it seperate entity

i know we got the proper guide here

[final mist]

All the class discords are independently run from sites like Wowhead and IcyVeins

[timid jay]

Sal, why arent you writing the wowhead guide?

[final mist]

Aside from ones that are clearly linked, like the Warlock one and Ravenholdt.

I'm not famous enough compared to someone like the people who write the IcyVeins guide so they'd have the name rather than correct info.

[ember arrow]

hmmm

was to be expected

[timid jay]

You know the solution Sal?

Just become famous

Easy

[final mist]

There's a reason why we don't recommend the Wowhead/IcyVeins guides and instead link the one that was written by us.

[ember arrow]

so the prot warr guide is written by mythic raider

but he recomends HR

low HP IP usage

[final mist]

Look at who wrote it.

You should know him - he's a fairly known streamer.

[timid jay]

Is bastion even the highest rated relic on the wowhead guide?

[vast sedge]

🔥

[fleet galleon]

Tbh, it's not for people who are seriously maining that class right?

[ember arrow]

no clue

[final mist]

No it's not Cosmo, they have IP relic.

[fleet galleon]

It's for people running a daily heroic for essences and shit

[ember arrow]

haHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[final mist]

Even in that case, it's still wrong.

[warm plinth]

I mean, there's nothing on icy-veins that says "don't use this if you do relevant content" though

[ember arrow]

idd

[final mist]

Both of them are.

[fleet galleon]

Yeah, but it's a beginner guide I mean

[ember arrow]

ye but popl dont know

[warm plinth]

It's wrong even for beginners though

[ember arrow]

and go like this in m raiding

them come here

[final mist]

Even for a beginner guide, it's wrong.

[ember arrow]

why am i gettin oneshot

[final mist]

There is never a time you use Indom over Devastator

[timid jay]

Dragon skin above bastion

monkaS

[fleet galleon]

Not arguing that at all

[final mist]

That's an example, and that's what those guides say, along with other things

HR over AM, etc

They're incorrect for all forms of content, no matter your skill level

[ember arrow]

@warm plinth basically ppl who gollow those guides come here and ask why they so squish

[fleet galleon]

Fair enough, I take your point

[timid jay]

 Bastion of the Aspects is the best damage reduction against autoattack damage, but it is useless against everything else. This trait is still very good, the best in some situations, but it's not as versatile as Dragon Skin. This trait will synergize wonderfully with the Tier 21 2-piece bonus ( Item - Warrior T21 Protection 2P Bonus) as it currently exists.

MonkaS

[ember arrow]

only against AA

OMEGALLULULULUUL

[final mist]

tfw boss abilities are blockable

[timid jay]

How does it synergize with t21 2p?

???

[final mist]

Because of the IP casts

[timid jay]

Oh

[final mist]

We're generating a shit ton of rage, so the thinking is somewhat correct

But it ignores the fact that massively damaging abilities are blockable

We would not be able to tank a lot of shit if the big hits weren't blockable

Like Argus

We literally wouldn't be able to tank Mythic if the Scythes weren't blockable

[fleet galleon]

Aggramar too

[ember arrow]

18 stacks

[final mist]

When you're supposed to live through 4 Scythes in the last phase and you're blocking the 4th one for tens of millions of damage

Imagine that's not blockable

Bastion isn't the best trait tho, nope

[ember arrow]

well agramar wud be possible

[final mist]

[ember arrow]

jsut not soloable

[final mist]

I'm trying to get the Wowhead and IV guides for BfA, but I'm not a big name, so I don't foresee it happening

[fleet galleon]

Can you submit corrections to IV/Wowhead guides?

[ember arrow]

i always wet my pants abit

in these situations

[timid jay]

You can try

I've tried several times with bastion

[final mist]

It'd be nice to be able to have an "official" guide, but worst comes to worst I'll just make another google doc

[timid jay]

But it never changes

[final mist]

^

They don't care

[fleet galleon]

Oh

[final mist]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember arrow]

shitty guides.... shitty guides never change

[timid jay]

Even linked logs and shit to prove my point, but its pointless when they dont care

[fleet galleon]

Plan B

Make Sal famous

[ember arrow]

YeA BuT COsmO Ur noT Fa mOuS lIKe They Are

[warm plinth]

The worst part is when you read the comments and they're recent and the community manager replies with completely incorrect information.

[ember arrow]

So u know nothing

[final mist]

I mean

This isn't self promo...

[ember arrow]

i want those autistic emotes too

[final mist]

Get Marok to give them out or become an admin

[timid jay]

Admin when?

I dont even want val'kyr

Gimme admin

[warm plinth]

Forget admin, you're not even at the stage where you get your own emote

[timid jay]

😢

[fleet galleon]

What is the difference?

[timid jay]

🥗

[final mist]

I've got my own

[warm plinth]

I mean, we love you Cosmo, but you're no

[timid jay]

I've never seen it used Sal

[final mist]

It's only used by myself and Marok, basically

[warm plinth]

What's the origin of that?

[timid jay]

Why keep it then

[final mist]

I used to bug the shit out of him to do m+, so he made that

[ember arrow]

'

has this one ever been used

[final mist]

And then I just spammed him with that

[warm plinth]

Ah okay lol

[ember arrow]

i am here for 7 months

[final mist]

That's Macro's emote

[warm plinth]

Yeah I've seen that used before

[final mist]

When he was super active, he'd step in and be like

[warm plinth]

Never by Macro though 🤔

[final mist]

"Take this kind of talk to OT"

Followed by people spamming that

[timid jay]

Hes given up hope on us

[ember arrow]

[timid jay]

#protection is lost

[ember arrow]

i ask smt in fury

i get

[final mist]

Protection is lost because Bastion isn't the best relic trait, smdh

[ember arrow]

[final mist]

Only works on auto attacks

[ember arrow]

only works on physical autoattacks

[fleet galleon]

That is a dope emote

[ember arrow]

dotn forget Sal

[timid jay]

Maybe I should get nitro and spam in dreamgrove

[warm plinth]

I was gonna say, it could be worse; it could say physical auto attacks

[final mist]

Alright here's the gameplay to make me e-famous boyes

[timid jay]

Why only e-famous

[ember arrow]

my epeen is eRekt

[timid jay]

Go for next president of USA or something

And enforce a prot warrior guide through the white house

[ember arrow]

Donaldo Trumpé

[warm plinth]

I think you're confusing famous with notorious Cosmo

[fleet galleon]

Lol

[final mist]

I've got a raid tonight, get me to affiliate before the end of it and I'll stream Alpha leveling and answer questions instead of stream D3 with Sense

[timid jay]

D3 stream with sense though

[warm plinth]

How do you even get to affiliate

[ember arrow]

i come on stream and ask

[fleet galleon]

Idk what that even means

[timid jay]

That sounds spicy