Hey Lev, where's this 22 CoS 🤔
#protection
warm plinth
timid jay
👀
warm plinth
😂
cinder pasture
Yea I sort of read about that, I wanna see the video 😄
warm plinth
I hear YouTube lets you update videos Cosmo
You should give them a try
Er, upload*
hasty sapphire
best trinkets for Varimathras mythic?
timid jay
Fight is sucha snoozefest for us, just go wahtever you like
timid jay
Thats the safe way of doing it yeah
hasty sapphire
does the shadow strike hit hard after all?
hasty sapphire
can i use IP while im have the misery debuff or will it go to waste?
timid jay
Its one of those fights where you hope your raid learns it quick
warm plinth
Caztek you're enabling Cosmo to change the subject
timid jay
Shh
warm plinth
💔
timid jay
Its 1am so I'll head to sleep and upload overnight
hasty sapphire
im still looking for a good use of the eye trinket from the dogs, is there a fight were it is really good?
timid jay
I use mine on STR regularly
warm plinth
🙃
timid jay
But thats mainly because I have a 975 one and I still dont have aggramras
wet hornet
@timid jay video wen
wet hornet
Nuh
warm plinth
^
wet hornet
Welp. I gotta go. Gudd nite
timid jay
Gn
wet hornet
Bully cosmo for me
timid jay
I'll upload it overnight
long bronze
ily
warm plinth
Thanks sweetie pie
novel temple
What does @timid jay need to upload? Cause he should do that uploading
ember arrow
cos +22 with 5 prot warriors
long bronze
master baiter over here
warm plinth
I'll hate you forever 😢 Until like, tomorrow
timid jay
You can call me the masterbator
novel temple
Sounds doable. I’m just sad inspiring presence doesn’t stack
timid jay
It was just second boss being hard tbh
long bronze
no wonder you were master ... ok i'll stop
timid jay
Lol
For real it's at 4% but I'm heading off to sleep
So bother me about the link tomorrow
timid jay
I aim for the stars
crystal night
What do you boys suggest would be my best legos for M Kingoroth tanking. I currently have Belt, Chest, Archimondes, The Walls Fell, Pants, Leap Shoulders, Aggramars, and Sephuz.
timid jay
Maybe I'll end up in a ditch if I'm lucky
crystal night
Which is more of a threat on M kin goroth? The spell damage from popping balls on yourself or physical damage?
undone sun
Physical though neither are really that big
timid jay
I don't get why people want that video
58min unedited footage with annoying PTT sounds from discord
undone sun
Lol
warm plinth
I'll take all 58 inches minutes of it
timid jay
Could have edited it out, but it's 58minutes, fuck that
warm plinth
Who in the world uses the PTT sound
timid jay
I never use ptt
warm plinth
Me neither
timid jay
But I was forced to in this discord
warm plinth
Oh, really?
timid jay
@fierce juniper fix please
warm plinth
Oh because you were in here?
timid jay
Yes
warm plinth
That's annoying lol
undone sun
Tbh i would rather not hear mouth breathers
timid jay
Hello set it up correctly?
warm plinth
Yeah, no one can hear my breathing. I yell at those people.
timid jay
Smh thyme
undone sun
Smh
warm plinth
Guys quit shaking your heads. It's not good when mom and dad don't get along.
I'll leave you two to figure out which of you is mom and which is dad
undone sun
He's going to sleep i'm just waking up
timid jay
Dmd for surv, eye for a bit more dps
iron pecan
Sweet, thanks!
compact geyser
anyone have the link to the kin'garoth shadow ball weakaura? i tried searching to no luck
light sonnet
So quick question, are there any percentage marks i want to hit and are there any caps for percentages for Mastery/Haste etc...
ember arrow
116% haste. 100% mastery
undone sun
No, there aren't any major breakpoints to worry about
ember arrow
more parry
light sonnet
Okay so the bigger question what tier do i run I have full TOS but do i just ditch it all for Antorus?
light sonnet
So 4Tos and 2Antor?
Got it, Now I really like thunder god's vigor and The walls fell as leggo paired with the talents Booming voice and Anger Management, is this a good build for survivability or nah?
or is it kinda do whatever you want?
undone sun
Depends on what tier you have, booming voice is the go to for survivability if you have t21 2pc
sick sentinel
ur gonna have so much rage lol
iron pecan
What's a good number of stacks of scythe before you die in P4
ember arrow
my record is 18
iron pecan
I get up to 8 or 9 before I get shit on
ember arrow
hc
iron pecan
Hmm...I'm trash then
iron pecan
Wonder if SB fell off
I feel like I could do atleast 11 or 12
eh maybe not, I'm only 952
ember arrow
hc
azure dock
aside from just using Demo, and nels. when do you start using/calling for CDs?
I've gotton to 14, but im sure i can optimize it more
ember arrow
pray to ENGsus for critblocks
azure dock
with?
ember arrow
depends on raid size
azure dock
yeah, im trying to figure out how long i can delay my cds
without just dying hella early because i didn't crit block
I've been using stuff from 6 onward
but that seems a bit to safe?
ember arrow
probably
warm plinth
Not bad
sick sentinel
Nice
warm plinth
My warrior hasn't seen a lot of action lately. He's just a lil bitty 944
junior ivy
i got an upgrade
pamnts
945 to 955
but
they get rid of tier..
i also got a chest upgrade, but it repalcves tier
warm plinth
Yeah, not worth it
junior ivy
SO I NEED 2 TIER PIECES
also. i spent. EIGHT BONUS ROLLS
AND GOT NO LOOT
btw i need a wekaura or addon
for argus heroic
something that will help me know which swordman toi pick uyp
round vortex
the big one? lol
I usually pick a side each with my off tank. And jsut get a few solid hits in on each add on my side so when they grow they run to tanks and not DPS. Then if somehow you got both the other tank can taunt 1 and vice versa.
They won't kill you through a CD if u need it
round vortex
To do what tho? Target it or taunt it?
sick sentinel
yeah target
junior ivy
ookay so yeah issue is
in add phase
2 swordboys turn into big swordmen
and i gotta grab the one with daggers
round vortex
My weak aura is my eye balls and ninja like reflexes
junior ivy
they look alike so im spending too much time trying to see their hands to see if theyre holding a sword or daggers
round vortex
Ok i can help with that
junior ivy
so i just want an easy way to be able to pick my dagger guy up
sick sentinel
i just taunt every single add
round vortex
the Daggers guy's weapons are all stary like Algalon
the sword guy's weapon is solid
sick sentinel
then they come to me
round vortex
yeah you can catfriend for a few seconds while the raid settles
sick sentinel
but not that effective
junior ivy
i just always panic at that part of the fight
undone sun
Yeah, they double in size and gain a weapon
round vortex
So in my strat above each tank aggro's one side each just so they are on a tank and not a DPS.
junior ivy
tonight for the first time i picked up dagger guy immediately and i got praised
casue it was so rare
so lots of praise
sick sentinel
the problem with side aggro is
round vortex
I have done heroic one when I tanked both big adds - it was wild but Doable
sick sentinel
what if they both spawn on both sides
round vortex
Yeah i meantion what to do
round vortex
Just get the other tank to taunt one
sick sentinel
discord helps a lot, but in pugs they dont usually do thta
but if they do people just sit silently
undone sun
Type
round vortex
Worst thing that will happen is it will kill 1-2 DPS then you get one
you won't wipe if you're slow
junior ivy
we coordinate inj the sense that he sayds 'hill get the one with daggers'
but it always takes me a few seconds to see which one is daggers
sick sentinel
yeah thats what most do
round vortex
That's ok
junior ivy
and and
if im not fast enough, and they end up stacking for a second
well damn we might as well all suicide
round vortex
thats ok as well
round vortex
nah. Just pop a CD and all good
so just taunt any. as long as you ened up with one each it's fine
sick sentinel
yup
junior ivy
it sucks cause we usually dont even make it to that phase and when we wipe cause of me its just no fun
but yeah ill just start taunting any i guess
sick sentinel
that phase is hard to wipe on
round vortex
No no don't rely on taunt.
sick sentinel
unless cosmic beacon isnt interrupted
use your weapon throw
since it is odd number
round vortex
Start on the Physical one (in front of Amanthul on his big throne) hit it for 3 seconds, charge the next one and hit that one, charge the one after and hit that, then weapon throw
OR you can spec into Warlord and pop berserker rage and jsut tab taunt the lot of them lol
Heroic leap also resets taunt if you need to and taunted wrongly
junior ivy
oo i do have warlord talent
next time, good idea, im just taunting them ALL
and let the other tank deal with taunting swordman off me
round vortex
yeah and then ur other tank can jsut get one lol
sick sentinel
weapon throw is rly effective tho
dusky mica
no, doing it wrong
sick sentinel
get every other one
dusky mica
heroic throw all of them when the phase starts
sick sentinel
thats what i do
round vortex
Yeap that works too
sick sentinel
every other one so get 4 adds
other tank gets 3
if by chance you get both they are not close together so easy for other tank to pck up
round vortex
Me personally tho - just use my eyeballs and get it quickly lol. No problems
junior ivy
im like. weapon-blind. cause they look identical to me lol
but the starry weapon thing might help
dusky mica
not the fact that they are 20ft tall?
junior ivy
i mean the 2 tall ones l ook identical
round vortex
She can't tell between sword and daggers
junior ivy
yeah
round vortex
The sword is big and solid and also waves around alot while it runs
junior ivy
and i get stressed out just waiting for that phase
but, at least we killed him tonight. last week we gave up on him
dusky mica
I do my throw thing and 90% of the time they both go for me
the 10% is when the melee get unlucky and it's their guy
but they dont attack right away anyway
dusky mica
press buttons, collect bacon
sick sentinel
you should not die ever
junior ivy
usualyl id ont die but now and then on add phase
sick sentinel
save CD's then
junior ivy
ya ill try
sick sentinel
or use bracers if you have them
junior ivy
my biggest problem with tanking, always, in eveyr situation is being almost always panicked lol
sick sentinel
you should be calm
dusky mica
not really
but you should have confidence in yourself
always remember; that is the number one rule of tanking
sick sentinel
if you are confident you are calm
thats the main reason for panic, if you doubt your self before or during a fight you will get nervous and prob fail.
junior ivy
i am never confident lol
warm plinth
Never understood the panicking thing. My girlfriend does that and I'm like why? You know what to do; just do it.
junior ivy
its just progression i guess that makes me panic,. when you been wiping all night. and people are frustrated
you dont wanna be the one at fault
for another wipe
compact geyser
who else gets the ring from kin'garoth cause i just got one too
my ccrit is gonna be ccrazy
warm plinth
Don't you guys already have 11/11? That's not progression at that point.
junior ivy
we do but like ..
we still struggleo n argus
last week we tried all night and gave up
ddint kill him
tonight we had a lot of wipes before he died
also, guild still hasnt killed coven lol
but we dont even try coven
round vortex
Fun fact: Our guild has only ever one shot argus heroic. Even on progression.
Not exaggerating
but we wipe on Aggramar from trigger happy DPS lol
junior ivy
i like tanking aggramar
hes one of my favourite bosses to tank
i dont stress much on him, even tohugh we wipe a lot
the wipes are never my fault
round vortex
yeah we just last week changed our strat and its going perfectly now
junior ivy
what did you change
warm plinth
You would probably stress a lot less if you had keybindings tbh. I can't imagine clicking leads to a stress-free environment since you can't react nearly as quickly.
round vortex
so we just took one of our warlocks off the initial CC.
druids and hutners only. Rogues and Monks emergency CC and 2 bookins for knockback
the warlock that doesn't have to CC just calls out a marked add for our DK to grip
and if it gets too close he banish's it till DK is ready
round vortex
so he jsut breaks the CC of whatever is next and takes the CC over from teh previous guy lol
then it went SUPER smooth it was awesome
junior ivy
i hit 966 ilvl tonight and i just happened to apply to an upper kara 17 with the ilvl requirement set at 966
lol
its meant to be
aaand i got declined
guess it was not meant to be
round vortex
so dumb warriors are OP for upper kara
junior ivy
and i got 2k m+ socre too
junior ivy
i got inb a 15 nelths lair soo doin that now
round vortex
i dont run many dungeons lol, but when i do it's on :)
That and i can only do them from Sunday onwards so no chance of ranking lol
junior ivy
actually as of like a week ago you only gott abe in top 500
not top 100
so youd prob rank
warm plinth
Yeah, unless you're on like Sargeras or Tich or something, you should still rank now.
On Sunday
long bronze
tfw on tich
hey guys how are my heals https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/6560420/17#metric=hps&bracket=-1
sick sentinel
who is this guy
long bronze
a god a guess
my guildie just linked it lol
also lower kara is such a pain with bursting
barely did a 17 in time lol
lots to improve tho
sick sentinel
bursting depends on the healer
long bronze
we have a MW
sick sentinel
i had a good hpally that could heal up to 12 stacks easily
long bronze
aka anti-meta
sick sentinel
so i was pulling 3 or 4 packs together all the time
long bronze
yeah ours can't do that lol
dusky mica
it's often not really the healer, it's to do with staggering mob kills
if you stagger bursting stacks no healer can do it
junior ivy
welll i finished NL 15 within the t imer
round vortex
So guys. My guild and I are getting together for a poker night with a wow gold buy in. Thinking 100k - 200k buy in per head. This is gunna be epic
cinder nova
For survival on M PK I got 960 Eye, 955 Titanguard, and 945 Apoc. Drive + Diima's.
What do you think is best? I also have a 960 Shivermaw, but I'm hesitant.
undone sun
Most of the damage is from the bleed which isn't mitigated by diima's, eye or apoc probably
If you can game shivermaws properly that might be good
cinder nova
HHHHHHRGH
MY PARSE WAS SABOTAGED BY DPS NOT GETTING THE DEBUFF
Spent like 30s kicking the first miniboss with 90% DR
warm plinth
Yeah, what Kabuto said (for bursting). As long as your mobs all die within 2 seconds of each other (i.e. before the first tick of the Bursting DoT), it's relatively easy to heal high stacks. It's when you start killing some, letting a tick go off, killing more, letting a tick go off, with stacks increasing that it becomes impossible.
brave mauve
First time tanking aggramar tonight without a double prot warr comp, and I quickly realized I didn't actually know the fight. 🤔
sick sentinel
aye boys mythic coven down!
brave mauve
Congrats fam
round vortex
nice one!
wet hornet
Gz. Ally or horde?
sick sentinel
ally
wet hornet
Psl boost me
sick sentinel
oh nice, gz
fallow knot
@warm plinth you test your bursting cheese yet?
warm plinth
Nah, haven't had the chance yet.
fathom hollow
what's the cheese
fathom hollow
....what?
fallow knot
some of us think he might just be crazy, I THINK he wants to try and test / confirm if their stoneform blocks or removes bursting stacks. can't recall, this conversation was from last time bursting came around which was way too long for my brain
winged marsh
it cant
deft sapphire
@sick sentinel hidden satyr
warm plinth
That's what I'm told Fury. But something had to have gotten rid of those 12 bursting stacks!
winged marsh
🤷 i find it to be buggy sometimes
1 instance today I took 3 ticks in 1
another instance I took 2 ticks on my final tick
fallow knot
yeah me too, for some reason my stoneform button never works while playing my gnome 😛
winged marsh
🤔
warm plinth
You know for sure that Stoneform doesn't work though Fury?
winged marsh
its what my guildy is saying
warm plinth
Because honestly I don't even have a key on that toon and it's gonna be a pain in my ass to test it lol, so if someone knows it for a fact (no one has seemed to so far), I'd rather not go through the trouble
winged marsh
yea he said it didnt affect the bursting stacks
warm plinth
Alright. Guess it was just Khadgod using Divine Intervention on me or something.
sick sentinel
Is there any pattern for which ilvl > Tier? For example I have 960 chest with mastery and haste and I wonder if I should wear 930 Tchest when it will be my 4PC
prisma crane
purely for surv, worth it
jade wyvern
anyone else still use khakhans old aura even now?
jade wyvern
no the weakaura suite 😛
prisma crane
ah, no idea lol
jade wyvern
im working on an updated version
lookin for feedback
i know there is a ui channel ill post there too, but if anyone wants to take a look
ignore all the stuff on the left
thats not in right places yet
warm plinth
I actually like that a lot @jade wyvern
ionic fern
Ugh, i got my essence legendary and it's the Shield wall ring..:(
warm plinth
TWF is good with 4pc+2pc
ionic fern
Tfw i will never go to ToS for 2pc and got 0 t21.
warm plinth
4pc is the T20 part actually, but I hear you lol.
You really should get T21 2pc though, even if it's normal
ionic fern
Still the same. 😂
warm plinth
It's insanely powerful
ionic fern
I can imagine jeah.
Atleast now i can swap out my Prydaz for that ringy.
Was hopeing for bracers/hands/waist tho.
😒
warm plinth
Yeah I hear ya. I got gloves as like my third legendary. Just got the belt not long ago.
Still don't have bracers
ionic fern
😦
sick sentinel
I am missing exactly two legendaries as prot.... belt and bracers 😢 And just got the gauntlets yesterday.
RNGesus has not heard my prayers.
No need to cry 😁 farm is so freakin fast nowadays
Its more of an issue to sort out whats gud for what as new legys popin in so damned fast 🤔 boosted prots eat dust!
Hahaha, yeah, I suppose it is now. 😃
At least I know my next one is a good one ^^
Thats been said: Im sitting on 6p combo 958ilvl now for a while, got the right legys for it like 2 weeks ago
warm plinth
Jesus you're 958 with 6pc?
sick sentinel
But never used it. Im still workin to improve my gameplay and ecspecially rageflow on t21 before
That the thing with boosted mongos like me. All the gear, no XP😂
But to be fair: i boosted myself 💪 solo-pug only
warm plinth
?
sick sentinel
Jesus ur in lfr 2p @warm plinth? what are u doin all day?
warm plinth
I'm on Discord a lot. I don't play that much lol.
ionic fern
Working, taking care of the family..like a normal person? 😂
warm plinth
I'm at work right now
warm plinth
Yep
ionic fern
Then i get home..spend time with the family and play a bit in the evening.
warm plinth
You're EU though right Mwahi?
ionic fern
Jeah.
warm plinth
I work nights (US)
sick sentinel
Haha...alrighty! No offense in it anyway, u can do what u want. Im just usually so raid ticked at this game, hopping in there asap. No guild is where i cut off familytime atm.
God I really don't want to have to do ToS for at least 2p... but I really should
Problem is that I have never done it before. Only LFR, so getting a group isn't the easiest... 😦
I wouldnt say u rly need ToS gear nowadays @sick sentinel
warm plinth
Yeah T20 is not a requirement by any means.
The 4pc+2pc combo is a defensive gearset anyway; if you're going for DPS (like most people), it's not BiS.
sick sentinel
It only could rly be useful if u plan a transition into Myth with a fully hc equipped guild
raidwise; 6p M+ value i still have to figure out🤔
thats where exp. chunks in. I doubt my SW usage is on point enough.
warm plinth
I don't think it's really that necessary in M+ except maybe certain bosses that hit like a mofo
Oakheart might be worth it since Crushing Grip hurts like hell on high keys
sick sentinel
could imagine good value out of the CDR if u rly plan ahead ur actual CD rotation. dungeonbased
No Ararats for Oakheart?🤔
warm plinth
You don't need it for him
undone sun
^ pretty sure SR is up for every grip
warm plinth
SR is up for every grip without legs
But it still hits like a truck with SR up on 20+ tyrannical
Pretty sure he's one of the bosses that Lev mentioned that he might use the combo on.
sick sentinel
Okay didnt play much DHT since i got those, ill check that
Still on arcway for the higher Chrono 😁
whole coral
That grip of oakheart is magic dmg? 😮 Tought it was physical.
sick sentinel
Nope, it is magical.
And that is good news.
Not planning on doing any Mythic Raiding. M+ is where its at ^^
ur EU @nforux#5552 ?
Aye, I am EU. 😃
If so just pm me and we can make up some ToS. Its actually pretty funny to tank.
Sweet! Will do mate. 😃
Aight lets do some! Im hoppin in about 19.30 tonight
Got family stuff I gotta do tonight , but I will pm you during the weekend if you are on. 😃
:thumbsup:
latent dew
Hey is there a pawnstring for the prot warri?
undone sun
Nope
latent dew
Ok. Thanks😂
sick sentinel
Use the Force Shinta, trust your feelings!
That is how the rest of us do it..... sorta anyway.
rancid palm
Can you help me guys with a relic choice? 940 Vrykul / Shadowbind / Bastion vs 955 Vrykul / Shadowbind ./ Dragon skin? I know bastion is op but 4 item lvls on the weapon is nice for dps
warm plinth
Or, you could use the stat priority in the pins 🙄 XD
Defensively, bastion would win even if it was 900
Probably even if it was 855 tbh (again, defensively)
sick sentinel
Bastion > all, for defense.
timid jay
I'd use 750 relics if that was the only way to get bastion
sick sentinel
😄
warm plinth
^ Same haha
sick sentinel
So say we all.
timid jay
I had to verify my account and reupload it
rancid palm
man feels crap rolling the dice on crucible for every relic, was nicer when we knew it was an upgrade b4 it became soulbound
warm plinth
Is it uploaded? 🤤
undone sun
Lol
warm plinth
I mean, you wouldn't even be able to get a fire bastion relic if it weren't for the NLC
timid jay
Not home atm but it should be uploaded now or soon
warm plinth
And you'd be stuck farming Kil'jaeden and Kin'garoth for the other 2 slots
What's your youtube name?
timid jay
Sköldkast, but the video is unlisted
warm plinth
RIP
wet hornet
Cosmo. Why are you such a liar?
sick sentinel
You swedish Cosmo? ^^
wet hornet
He is probably uploading someone elses
sick sentinel
Ah, fair point.
warm plinth
That moment when you can't solo Sharthos as MW so you go BrM and strafe tank her because more people joined and she started fearing. That was fun.
timid jay
🤔
long bronze
Except apparently cosmo
warm plinth
That no one can watch because they're unlisted 🙄
long bronze
Who doesn't make any at all 🙃
timid jay
timid jay
Actually done processing now
long bronze
And hot fix for some trumped charges on why prot is op
You could have fixed it cosmo
timid jay
well yeah
long bronze
But I'm not going to do it. I'm not that motivated lol
timid jay
It it was shorter sure
But I'm not fixing 58min of PTT and that annoying background clicking sound
long bronze
It has a certain charm
timid jay
Very positive way of looking at it
warm plinth
Who's the loudest person
timid jay
Either me or corejo
warm plinth
Sounds decidedly not Swedish
warm plinth
Oh okay. I was gonna say I thought he was NA
So are all the people in the group in this discord? I know you and Lev obviously
untold night
How’s prot warrior in m+ compared to prot pally?
analog swift
Hey guys I did the mythic hounds last night filling in for a guild, I was on shadow fucker, on the third decay rotation, the stacks get up to like 7. What do y'all typically do to mitigate this damage?
untold night
May dust off my ol warrior
timid jay
Think the russian guy was a random
analog swift
@untold night better damage and faster but less interrupts so it's less liked
untold night
What about in terms of survivablility? Sameish?
Highest I would go eventually would be 15-20
analog swift
I'd argue better
warm plinth
I wouldn't even say better damage...it's more like pallies provide more group utility
timid jay
Would say that depends a lot on instance and if you have all legendaries
untold night
Not looking to push anything crazy
analog swift
@warm plinth i was saying warriors have more damage
warm plinth
Ah okay
Pallies are so good because of HotP and ability to cheese mechancis
mechanics*
untold night
Makes sense
timid jay
Doing +20 is not hard at all as a decently geared prot warrior
analog swift
But that shield is SO clutch so people would prefer pallies, plus they have a sap
@timid jay oh cmon. Let's not act super elitist, 20s are difficult.
untold night
Toxic af smh
long bronze
I did an 18 at 959 yesterday
analog swift
I hate when people do that shit "something that less then 5% of the wow population does at amazing gear is actually easy to do at medium gear!"
long bronze
Trying 19 lower tonight
untold night
But alright as long as they’re decent that’s all I really care about I’m not tryna push crazy
long bronze
And our dps isn't super great lol
timid jay
Most people who come in here actually do try, and most are at the top 5% or higher tbf
analog swift
@long bronze yeah I mean I've done 18s not super hard, I'm 965 (but no T20 which artificially pulls your ilvl down)
warm plinth
I mean, 20s really aren't hard, as long as the entire group is competent. PUGs give a skewed perspective. My groups suck balls but I don't think a 20 would be very hard if I had solid players with me.
long bronze
But as a group we have a lot to improve on too
untold night
I’m running over all my alts deciding what I would want for BFA and not being restricted to 1 dps spec makes me happy in general
analog swift
@timid jay or higher, exactly
@warm plinth 20s are objectively hard lol that's why so fuckign few people do it.
let's stop trying to backdoor brag
sick sentinel
😄
warm plinth
Backdoor brag? I haven't even done a +20
long bronze
Can always tell when I'm on mobile because of how disjointed my messages are lol
timid jay
Its very rare that we get people here are those that struggle with lower keys, because if you go here chances are that you do care about getting better and thus is a lot better than the majority of wow players
warm plinth
But you can't say it's objectively hard when you have people like Shakib laughing at +20s. Something that's hard for you isn't hard for someone else. That's the definition of subjective.
untold night
Maybe if you’re pushing solid Mythic and run with good guildies in discord I could see how some would find 20s easy
analog swift
@warm plinth so then why are you talking about how not hard they are if you haven't done them. 😹
warm plinth
Or Levko for that matter, who is actually a prot warrior
Because I don't have difficulty in the dungeons I do; I fail because I have shit group members.
untold night
But anyways thanks for the assistance lads, t20 or 21 for m+?
timid jay
t21
analog swift
@warm plinth dude what. yeah quarterbacking in the NFL is easy because Tom brady kicks all the other quarterbacks ass.
untold night
Any 6 piece shenanigans?
timid jay
You want kaku damage in m+
warm plinth
???? What are you even talking about?
timid jay
And t21 4p gets its full value in m+
untold night
Awesome
warm plinth
You said a +20 was objectively hard. It's not. It's hard for you. That doesn't make it objectively hard. That makes it subjectively hard.
analog swift
@warm plinth you can't just take the elite of the elite the absolutely best and say "well he does it so it's easy" like what how dumb do you have to be
analog swift
you said shakib
untold night
Is there a lego list? I haven’t played my warrior since the start of ToS so I have a lot of shit to upgrade but I have the heal wrists and I think that’s it for prot
warm plinth
And then I said Levko, who is a prot warrior who probably would say +20s are easy
timid jay
Hmm
analog swift
but less than 5% of the wow pop does 20s
timid jay
I'm sure he'd be flattered if you called him one of the best prot warriors for sure
warm plinth
I think you're overestimating how much of the population even does M+ period
analog swift
@warm plinth partially because it gets harder. Like, I don't udnerstand how it's so difficult to comprehend.
warm plinth
I bet he was happy that he was #1 DPS in this run lol
timid jay
He wasnt though
analog swift
20s are objectively hard, some people are really good at them
warm plinth
No?
timid jay
Think the random russian guy was nr1
ionic fern
Ooh, m+ arguing..i want in. 😮
analog swift
20s are extremely difficult for the average player, damn near impossible
you can get good at them and definitely do them at some point
warm plinth
I'm guessing that the russian guy is the one that shows as ????
analog swift
but to say they are easy for a medium geared warrior is laughable
ionic fern
What's medium geared?:o
warm plinth
Alright theseus. You win 😃
timid jay
Wouldnt really call +20 objectively hard since its just scaring up damage and health, there are no new mechanics coming
Its simply a bit more unforgiving
analog swift
I'd call it objectively hard based on how few people are able to do it.
ionic fern
Lets be honest here..m+ gets a ton easier if you know how much damage what does to you and you know the pulls and what type of damage is what..so experience plays a bigger role. 🤷
timid jay
I'd argue that its a matter of gear and the will to do it
long bronze
I'm sure a 20 is easy if you're at 97x gear score with people who you run them with regularly and have studied the dungeons. It's perspective lol
analog swift
benching 500 lbs is hard, even though it's just a matter of strength and the will to do it.
@long bronze yep. But for the vast majority they will be hard
timid jay
The difference is that most people never even try to do +20
or even higher m+ for that matter
analog swift
so take them out of the equation. The people that do M+, how many of them could do 20s? probably not a lot.
ionic fern
20 is fairly easy with 960 gear already if people know what their doing.
warm plinth
Oh man I bet Talixae is going to be rouuuuugh
analog swift
I mean like all wow, it just takes pretty godo gear and practice, shit tons of practice and reading and timing CDs
long bronze
I think doable and easy are two words people like to interchange for the sake of epeen but that's just me
analog swift
then yes if you are good at all of that it becomes easy
^^^^
but that's liek saying "if you practice throwing a football every night, have a special coach and study football plays, throwing a football will be easy" I mean obviously. But instead people say "throwing a football is easy"
warm plinth
Here's the definition of subjectively. If something is hard to you and not hard to someone else, it is subjectively difficult.
analog swift
and I'd say something that a very very small portion of the population does is hard
analog swift
and then @warm plinth when we have someone who comes in, who has never pushed keys before why are we tellin HIM 20s are easy?
timid jay
Thats like saying sitting in a sauna is hard
Because not a lot of people hav e done it
warm plinth
Who said 20s were easy to a newbie?
long bronze
Do we have a Finn in here?
junior igloo
Most players are nowhere near good enough to do m+20
analog swift
@timid jay did
long bronze
We need to be more diverse
timid jay
Most people also have never even put in the minimum effort of checking a guide
analog swift
I agree, to them that shit would be hard.
If you had said "read the DJ, watch teh thorough tank, practice etc, you can definitely do 20s" that's way different to (speaking to someone who doesn't play warrior) "they're easy"
w/e
warm plinth
I think you misunderstood what he said is all. The guy asked if prot warriors could handle 15-20s; he said that 20s weren't hard at all for a prot warrior
timid jay
^
timid jay
If you're asking about doing 15-20 you obviously have some experience and obviously the will to read a guide and improve
timid jay
And mechanically you cant tell me that +20 are much harder than a +15, thats just a matter of gear
analog swift
what do y'all do for the 3rd rotation of decay from the hounds on mythic? the one that gets to 7 stacks
timid jay
Going above +20 then it starts getting spicy and will require new tactics and stuff to handle it especially on time
ionic fern
Well i mean..you don't have to use block and/or outrange on a +15 in BRH the COupe thingy..but on a +20 you kinda have to.
timid jay
Coupe thingy? 🤔
timid jay
oo
long bronze
I would say they are cosmo because in a 15 you don't need to play that well. I noticed in the 18 I have to be so much more on my game. But you're right it could just be gear too
warm plinth
Talixae wipe 😮
timid jay
Sure they get a bit more punishing but its not to a extreme amount
If you can do a +15 comfortably, give them +15-20 ilvl and they can most likely do a +20 no issue
warm plinth
RIP
long bronze
Yeah I agree it just becomes more of a group coordination factor
narrow karma
Hello, first post here. Is the icy-veins guide the most accepted here? I read it and only see that warriors basically only use shield slam, revenge and thunder clap? (Aside from active mitigation and movement/pulls). Is this true or am I missing something?
warm plinth
Nah, check out the pins. The icy-veins guide is pretty meh.
ionic fern
Ugh, i'd dare to argue with that last statement Cosmo.."Can most like do a +20 no issue". THere are things that one shot in a +20 while they don't in a +15..so if you do +15's and suddenly step into a +20 you are like "Ugh, don't have to dodge this shit since i can survive it on a +15".
warm plinth
The fact that your nameplates overlap is triggering me a bit cosmo lol
timid jay
@analog swift To answer your question, I rarely pay attention to the stacks and just focus on mitigating the maws, if the dot ticks harder that mostly something for healers to deal with. I just pop CD's if I need for maw's or when I start dropping low
warm plinth
How do you even see explosives x_x
timid jay
@ionic fern Hence why I added +15-20 ilvl so you have extra health to cover those
I dont, I tab target like a madman
warm plinth
XD
analog swift
@timid jay maybe cuz i was in a shit group, but I felt liek I'd always ahve to SR them
timid jay
Possibly
narrow karma
@warm plinth the pinned guide is impossible to read. The text is showing up all white on my phone. Is this a common error?
ionic fern
I learned that shit the hard way..was doing CoS +22 Fortified after the highest i've done was 18..got one shot by the damn sentries Torch toss. 😂
warm plinth
The text is white, but on PC the guide has a colored background iirc
timid jay
Running bracers there if you arent already helps a lot
Yeah the background for the guide is black/gray with white text
warm plinth
Looks like this for me
narrow karma
Crazy. Do you use iOS or Android?
sick sentinel
Okay now pics of the rest so we can read it and get gud.
warm plinth
I'm on PC atm.
timid jay
It works for me on android
analog swift
@timid jay yeah I probably should have done that just in case, that fight was a ballsdeep clusterfuck anyway
timid jay
Was it a pug?
warm plinth
lul slicing maelstrom on full prot war group
timid jay
Actually started to hurt
ionic fern
narrow karma
ionic fern
Fine on Android as well.. 🤷
narrow karma
Wtf
timid jay
Try opening the link in a browser
inner nymph
Yeah android works for me too
timid jay
Instead of through discord
narrow karma
iOS here. Shouldn't be that discriminatory
ionic fern
Are you guys gonna try a 22 on time this week?:D
warm plinth
It's because you use an Apple 😄
ionic fern
5 prot i mean
timid jay
I have a +21 nelth, should be cake this week
narrow karma
Same issue in Google chrome
inner nymph
Its a google doc link and it opens in my google drive app thats the difference i guess
warm plinth
Jesus, are you using bracers on Melandrus Cosmo?
timid jay
y
narrow karma
I have Google drive app but it opens in a browser when I click the kink
timid jay
Oh, it does open in my google drive as well
Theres a reason why bracers are uncontested as the strongest survivability legendary
inner nymph
@narrow karma when i click the link it opens crome then load it into my google drive app
warm plinth
You went from like 10% health to full in like 5 globals
timid jay
Probably a IV in there as well
warm plinth
Yeah, but still, that's insane. I want them more now lol
narrow karma
Frustrating
ember arrow
@ionic fern use SR be4 pulling sentries and redlect torch
long bronze
Hi lev
ionic fern
Jeah, that's what im doing now.
It was just to show how a mechanic that you can ignore on a +15 can fuck you up on a +22
timid jay
👋
inner nymph
@warm plinth why do u ignore my ping in other discords oO
long bronze
I just downloaded it straight from drive so hopefully that works for you
sick sentinel
Got same issue. And nope doesnt work ..at least on that S4 here
timid jay
I could bring it up with Sal later, seems like a few people have that issue
warm plinth
I didn't ignore you @inner nymph MPF doesnt like giving me notifications. They show up and immediately disappear before any sound goes off
inner nymph
;)
long bronze
Well happy birthday tomorrow levitate lol
long bronze
Notice glad it worked
ember arrow
im Levitate from now on
long bronze
I blame my phone
glacial olive
is simcraft accurate for prot purely dps wise?
timid jay
Nope
sick sentinel
Not even a little ^^
undone sun
still missing t21 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
glacial olive
rip
undone sun
Yes, it's on a todo list
final mist
Hmm?
What's going on with the guide?
Also, SimC has been on the "to do" list all expac
timid jay
Seems like some people dont get the formatting right on phones, they get white text with white background
final mist
That's how it always is on phones
I can't fix that
The only way to fix it is to download the google docs app and look at the guide on the app, not the website
timid jay
Can always change it to white background and black text, minor issue though
long bronze
Sal some people are having formatting issues on the guide. Seems to be a mobile thing. Works fine on Android u for me but had someone with a s4 and iPhone have issues
Android 7*
sick sentinel
Is there a comphrensive tank guide for M+ in style with the Antorus one with damage profiles, blockable attacks, which attacks that need active mitigation etc?
long bronze
Pins has blockable reflects less
ember arrow
info about m+ is on the sheet
ember arrow
blockable/reflectable sheet
sick sentinel
It is? Sorry, I must have been blind.
long bronze
It has raids and dungeons in it so you should be g2g
sick sentinel
Aye, awesome
Hey all, My options for trinkets in M+ are currently a 945 Eye of F'harg, 900 DMD:I, 920 Apocalypse Drive, 945 Smoldering Titanguard, or a 910 haste stat stick. What would you guys prefer for overall trash and boss tanking? I understand titanguard is super situational.
timid jay
For full out defensive probably DMD and apco
long bronze
And dps would be your eye and haste stick
Assuming you don't have any actual dps ones
sick sentinel
Neat, and I'll probably change them around depending on affix and dungeon but I wanted a general opinion. Thanks! and yeah I don't sadly. Prot lootspec pretty much forever. Will gamble for some soon though. Thanks again!
long bronze
If you get diimas it's actually really good damage while being strong defensively
I really like it in m+
sick sentinel
Been bonus rolling for it but no luck so far. Been hoping for that + apoco
Diimas +Apo in M is lovely. 😄
long bronze
I'm in the same boat for apocalypse drive myself. I even ask my buds to switch to tank spec on that guy but no dice
Next week I should hopefully finally get panth trinket to drop (week 8 ugh) so I may just run diimas and that for maximum strength powa
sick sentinel
just be my guild paladin's alt :p
doesn't even play it just wanted to do something else on the normal kill
long bronze
Lol ugh
copper ridge
I'm 8.4mil health with no stam trinkets running deveststor...should I just use strength flask now if I'm not squishy anymore, 955 ilvl
sick sentinel
I have never used the stam flask to be honest. ^^
narrow karma
What are your opinions on spells/abilities you struggle to use efficiently when having to pay close attention to an upcoming mechanic? Like missing out on things coming off of CD?
ember arrow
@copper ridge ur only squishy if u fail to metigate dmg
wet hornet
None. The rotation is gonna be stuck with me for expansions to come.
wet hornet
Oh. Opinions. Nvm
ember arrow
AM makes cds up when its needed
copper ridge
Yea, I just learned bosses and magic vs block an an physical
sick sentinel
Never had an issue with any ability like that. Maybe forgetting to reapply TC during BC and I am spamming away on the SS button ^^
copper ridge
So now I mitigate properly
narrow karma
Like maybe missing out on battle cry for like 10 secs cause you were flustered by a mechanic let's say
long bronze
Hobbit the only abilities that you not notice would be DS or BC but once you realize how powerful they are you'll never not use them again lol
At least that was for me when I started prot warrior in legion
sick sentinel
Pretty much yeah.
And well, hopefully you will not be flustered. 😃 Since most mechanics you can see coming a long time before they hit.
narrow karma
Newb question but can BC be macro to SS so it automatically casts as Im spamming away?
ember arrow
yea
narrow karma
Trying to streamline a bit as I get flustered pretty easily. Tanking is high pressure for me
sick sentinel
You will get used to it. 😃 Comes down to experience, I believe.
wet hornet
Ye
long bronze
I also prefer using https://wago.io/B1pfxTOtb instead of default bw/dbm barstyle. Second length is fixed in terms of bar length so it's easy to glance
wet hornet
Tanking was super stress when i started it
But if i fuck up now i just blame healer and dps
Then leave and get a new group instantly
:thumbsup:
narrow karma
My computer is crap so I don't have the ability to run add-ons
narrow karma
Extra resources taxing the processor and eating up RAM, no?
long bronze
Unless you are running something doing crunching like details or recount
narrow karma
Oh, so not all add-ons effect my computer like recount?
long bronze
Nope
ember arrow
recount does?
long bronze
I have an 8700k so I could probably have 30 recounts and it wouldn't matter lol
undone sun
Recount is pretty heavy but there see better options now
narrow karma
Any must have add-ons for me as a new tank?
undone sun
Skada too, overall less impact
ember arrow
i use skada maybe thats why i didntr notice then
granite ruin
kui nameplates?
long bronze
I agree with kuinp not sure if needed but supnice
granite ruin
well its a really easy way to tell who has aggro since I think you dont really need omen anymore
long bronze
Bigwigs and little wigs is more comprehensive for dungeons than dbm. Also it's less airhorny so there's that
granite ruin
As a tank they're green if you have aggro, purple if another tank has aggro and red if someone thats not supposed to have aggro has aggro
long bronze
I know but why use an inferior add on that takes more work? 🤔
round hornet
If your new you were likely to have bad threat in raid imo. Should have some way to view even if not omen
So you can taunt boss early to generate more threat
long bronze
Kuinp also goes yellow if you're close to stealing threat. I know this because mine are yellow a lot
ember arrow
@long bronze idk i find airhorn to be perfectly suited to big boss abilities
west kayak
DBM = "OMG INCOMING!!!" BW = "Hey man, heads up..."
ember arrow
makes them epic
narrow karma
Sorry should have given some context. This war is just for casual mythic dungeons with a buddy and not raiding
long bronze
Gonna change to a reggae horn so it's like I'm in a dj Khaled song
Little wigs just gives you timers even for trash abilities in m+
Which is pretty nice but is of questionable usefulness sometimes lol
Lightning fast interrupts on fear in maw tho
ember arrow
at this point i know trashabilities and their cds
from the top of my head
might use it at start of next exp
long bronze
Yeah it's just friendlier for those with less experience
narrow karma
Little wigs enough to help an inexperienced tank in LFR?
west kayak
You would want BW and LW.
narrow karma
Ty. Are they ready straight away or do they need some customizing?
long bronze
Hey lev how do you utilize warbringer in m+ with the minimum range and all that. I've been using Sw but my group has a lot of stuns so it's kinda useless with the dr
west kayak
They are both pretty much ready to go.
With experience during fights you may want to tweak them a bit.
Example... I tweaked the Dog fight (Second boss ABT) to countdown the fear so I can be ready to use BR to get out of it.
ember arrow
idk
wooden hull
i cant read im illiterate
ember arrow
at least i didnt need 4 days to upload a video
wooden hull
woops theres a new emote instead of kappa there
wooden hull
ye i saw
west kayak
I use ERT for my markers/Ready Check/Pull Timer
timid jay
Yeah same
long bronze
Bw and dbm are fully / command equivalent for raid stuff afaik
timid jay
its really handy that bar
long bronze
Pull break all that stuff
timid jay
little wigs is a seperate addon
long bronze
Bw also let's anyone in a party do a timer so you don't need one guy to have lead. But everyone needs to have it because it won't show for dbm unless the lead does the pull timer. only for party not raid mind
sick sentinel
I hate ExRT bar for being only part of my UI not autoscaling
wet hornet
So. No external emotes and massive lag? What else does this server have?
timid jay
Some people really hate that part though
wooden hull
not massive lag
timid jay
Nothing really
wooden hull
unless youre on mobile
timid jay
Brown names?
wet hornet
There is massive lag here
wooden hull
i have 0 lag
wet hornet
On phone ye
wooden hull
well yeah mobile discord is 💩
wet hornet
Ye
long bronze
Man you guys don't bind your raid markers? Hue
long bronze
I just use alt 1 through 6 for my markers