haste > mastery ~= vers >>>>>>>>>>>> crit
#protection
long bronze
boreal ember
oh and I do have tank legendary legs sorry been awhile T_T
long bronze
legs are good for veri and argus
not really used elsewhere
so when you get t21 your rage gen increases by a lot
especially with the gloves if you get those
t21 4 set you can take or leave
it isn't worth sacrificing a lot of ilvl for
boreal ember
Alright
brave halo
Should I be using 4P T21 in M+ trash?
boreal ember
Trying to get to 40% haste still right? currently at 33 T_T
long bronze
there is no set amount of haste
get what you feel comfortable with
but it will pretty much always be the most valuable stat defensively and offensively
mastery and vers are still worth having and you shouldn't feel bad if you have them
just feel bad if you have lots of crit
boreal ember
t21 is current or that TOS?
long bronze
current
long bronze
so take t21 2 set + highest ilvl gear for bosses
and t21 4 set for m+ assuming you aren't losing too many levels
long bronze
sure
play around and figure out what you like best
prot is very proactive tank so
you need to use abilities before bosses do stuff
unlike pretty much any other tank where you just soak it with massive HP then heal it back up lol
fast knot
I just gambled TWF and Vengeance weaving was annoying
final mist
You don't use Vengeance if you have T21
That's why
It's impossible to weave
So many of your GCDs are spent SSing that it's both impossible and ineffective to weave properly
Swap to Booming Voice
What are your legendary choices?
fast knot
I have belt for M+, Soul, Archimondes, Ararat's and then the shared ones
at least before gambling the ring
long bronze
belt + bracers is your best for dps
final mist
Not if he has T21
You never use Soul with T21
Bracers are always the best for defense aside from Vari
Belt is great for DPS
TWF is great for DPS and survival ST
You should swap between those three
fast knot
gotcha
fast knot
I said I gambled it
undone sun
Yes he did
long bronze
ooo see that
final mist
TWF is good for DPS with what he has
It's more Rage, which is more IP which is more CDR
long bronze
yeah didn't think about the cdr
fast knot
I have Gloves and DD to get, being in this position with Fury I know what's coming next
final mist
He doesn't have the gloves or anything else that's actually useful for DPS, TWF is the best he has outside of the belt in AoE
Swap around between bracers/belt/TWF, they're all you need for the majority of content
fast knot
Alright, thanks for all the assistance
final mist
Mhmm, it's what we're here for 
fast knot
Another question, my trinkets are DMF/Sliver. Reading the trinket ranking I'm guessing I'd swap DMF for Diima's. After that I'm lost. Was thinking Smouldering but it sounds like that trinket is more to prevent a death
kind glen
Swap out Sliver for Diimas
undone sun
Defensive trinkets are entirely fight dependent, none are good for every fight
Sliver though, is almost never needed
kind glen
I would just think since he might be using TWF it would be a bit redundant.
fast knot
I figured, I don't have anymore haste statsticks that I had when I was Fury
and it had speed on it for extra movespeed
cosmic stream
@fierce juniper i miss you
undone sun
No you don't
cosmic stream
marok used to whisper me dirty nothings
spark hamlet
just got the class lego ring thinking of using it over grand army so i can pick up into the fray is it worth the change?
only other prot lego i have is prydez
undone sun
Likely worth using over insignia, but entirely depends on your t2 traits
vestal sinew
into the fray? oh lord no.
Just skill booming - its fine. with Angaer management its a good pick
undone sun
Also you wont take itf
spark hamlet
itf is that bad?
vestal sinew
Insignie is nice for dps with the right choices.
undone sun
It's just there are much better options
vestal sinew
itfo - maybe on fight like mythic high command. MAYBE ๐
but Belt and booming voice are just awesome2play
spark hamlet
I dont do much past mythic 15 keys my raid is only heroic and i do arms for that
vestal sinew
with t2 you are pushing SS more often than ever before. so Ring is losing valor. m+ belt&sephuz and just nuts for dps
which 2nd traits do you have?
spark hamlet
ive not gotten the belt yet
not the right ones ๐ฆ i took light speed and refractive sheild
vestal sinew
then play ith prydaz and Talantring
jesus - my keyboard
And would advise you to get sephuz asap. its just nuts as prot warrior in m+
spark hamlet
ive been 110 a lil over a month and changed from a DH to the warrior
vestal sinew
hf grinding ๐
spark hamlet
ive avoided the warrior for a long time tanked as a pally and bear and thought bear was fun till i started on the warrior and i can just go nuts
yeah im sorry i lied i got the legs and sephuz
which belt are you talking about the crafted lego or?
undone sun
Thundergod's
spark hamlet
oh yeah ive not gotten that one oh well more farming then ty guys
fair void
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/argent-dawn/velderaa
Hi. I'm struggling a little bit with the mage tower challenge as prot, and on Phase 4 of heroic argus. With the mage tower, I'm just generally stumped with the entire counter and would appreciate some tips.
For P4 HC Argus, I'm just struggling to hold off more than 3 or 4 stacks of his scythe, despite doing fine in the rest of the fight. Again, advice would be fantastic, mostly to do with managing cooldowns and so on so I can last a bit more in that phase.
undone sun
Mostly just about keeping Shield block up for every scythe hit, that matters more than a blanket uptime for his melees
fair void
this'll sound silly. But I never actually considered that.
sick sentinel
@Grumpy Bear#5376 if u want the magetower "easy-mode" i would recommend u gear maxdps (Kaku/Belt or AHR & DMG trinkets), take Avatar, pickup Drums, STR flask & potions of old war
Makro bind what u can to get rid of keyboard trouble
Now just progress till u beat P1 with all CDs getting rdy. for P2 = GG
sick sentinel
what tank should I level as an alt
broken kite
war
sick sentinel
my main is warrior
warm plinth
VDH
sick sentinel
or a monk
u got a interesting tank mechanic there and could switch to heal if u like ๐
sick sentinel
im still curios if playin a VDH could motivate me enough in long term scenario
topaz sparrow
I find it really boring tbh
sick sentinel
im done with Druids too.. at least for legion
topaz sparrow
played it to max level and it just doesnt cut it for me
sick sentinel
yea thats what im thinking Tiff
got one on 110 but to scared to equip it xD
but i love Prot tho - lot of fun ๐
topaz sparrow
yeah, my favourite tank in legion
my healers bully me that I take damage in chunks
but they compare me to our Brewmaster monk, so its not really fair
sick sentinel
im pending between BDK and Brewmaster for gearup next
warm plinth
VDH is pretty comparable to warrior for fun level
For me
But with a lot more utility
sick sentinel
Prots can actually die .. and that in a fantastic hillarous trashcan way no other tank brings on table
i like that alot
xD
laughing out loud on every big fail i pull out in pugs
some more arguements @warm plinth - ur close to get me ..haha
warm plinth
Good at kiting, very good damage, fun synergy between abilities, and fear sigil makes for some cool skips
Imprison too
sick sentinel
and Ion just confirmed Zandalaris can become VDHs too!
Kappa
but it would maaaaybe let play me one ๐
strong hill
@fair void what addons are you using when you do the mage tower challenge ?
slate obsidian
I recommend the "get t21 2p, fight takes a minute no need to even know anything about it" addon
somber bridge
hey all
Got a question about impending victory: it appears to heal for 30% of max HP when used after procced by killing something. Says it in the tooltip aswell.
Think this is a bug or something?
To clarify: Says nothing about doing that in the tooltip usually, just that when you kill something and it procs it shows 30% in tooltip rather than usual 15%
winter jackal
๏ฟผ
Hey guys just joined, just wondering if thereโs a soft cap for haste or mastery ratings Iโm new to the warrior tank I have others like demon hunter and druid and monk but Iโd like to dabble with prot warrior
cosmic cargo
is simc for prot still broken?
slate obsidian
it's not broken, it just isn't supported in the first place
cosmic cargo
most things are implemented, or were, it just missed some "details" like sets
slate obsidian
no it misses the fact that it's impossible ti properly implement rage generated through damage taken in a realistic way, which is why it's pointless to implement such things, as it still wouldn't work
shut summit
@somber bridge just turns into victoryrush after a kill basically, tooltips bad
fair void
@strong hill I'm not running any addons specific for the mage tower. I probably should look up WA's for it at least.
dark junco
vocal nimbus
@winter jackal there arent caps to aim for
winter jackal
@vocal nimbus brutal :/ I was hoping for a base line
vocal nimbus
Around 17-20something haste you get another gcd inside bc, cant remember the exact number
Its weird that your question didnt get answered by any of the parrots living around here
lyric sigil
how are we looking for BFA?
limpid lodge
pretty early to tell. IP on cooldown may change how we play somewhat
vocal nimbus
You've got #410902883165405214 for that
strong hill
@fair void wa is a big help, what helped me a lot was changing the sound warning in dbm for twisted reflection. Got it on the next try ๐
dusky mica
so Shivermaws doesn't trigger the CD of other on use trinkets
A Shivermaw -> Diima combo is some huge damage.
IP with a huge cooldown in BFA makes Renewed Fury pretty terrible
Almost 
level.
slate obsidian
modest crest
@winter jackal I personally feel like less than 30% haste is slow now that Iโve been above it. It took me awhile to get there, used to hover low/mid 20% but finally got some optimized gear with good ilvl to help. I have a few sets of gear that I run now depending on the fight. I try to keep 30% haste as a min even though there isnโt an official soft cap. I think one set of mine is 37/39/9 haste mast verse but that leaves some painful windows open for crit blocks in special situations. For those fights I use a different set that gives me more like 30/44/15 stats
Examples of fights where I use higher mastery and verse are portal keeper for the dots and Aggramar for the block help since he kinda hurts constantly whether Iโm active or inactive tanking
dusky mica
It doesn't make a huge difference defensively
certainly in some situations shaving off .5s on block is good but mega haste just makes the game feel better (and dps goes up a fair bit)
modest crest
Yeah for felhounds I like the haste for the constant uptime. I blocked a 2nd foe breaker with the artifact recently before switching and blocked 107M dmg but still took like 6M and died. The extra % on crit block from my one set to the other couldโve saved me in that situation
winter jackal
Thanks guys
dusky mica
30% is also pretty slow still
vocal nimbus
You always crit with the artifact
modest crest
Yeah but it does more blocked dmg with higher mastery
vocal nimbus
It increases the chance of a normal block to crit
fleet galleon
Only bastion of the aspects can increase the amount of damage blocked
vocal nimbus
Not the amount blocked
modest crest
Learn me something then please, I thought higher mastery increased crit block %. Itโs just to engage crit block?
fleet galleon
Mastery only increases chance to crit block
dusky mica
mastery just gives your non artifact blocks more chance to crit
which is why it's a bit shitty
vocal nimbus
You can read the tooltip on your spellbook
dusky mica
why sometimes you can take many more deadly scythes one week, and dont the next
fleet galleon
I wouldn't say it's shitty. More crit blocks is better
Cos crit block chance maybe?
dusky mica
RNG for tanking is always shitty
dusky mica
not crit blocking is mostly why you die on scythes
doesnt matter on mythic anyway, only the lower versions
dusky mica
you can sum up the rng bullshit by doing double foebreakers and not using neltharions fury for the second one.
I dont bother doing high stacks on heroic anymore, just time my death with an orb wave
just have to remember to turn around, because if you leave jesus at the wheel he sometimes crit blocks too much
shut summit
junior ivy
is it true mages have a tank spec in BFA?
vocal nimbus
Did you take too many forging strikes with your head?
junior ivy
me?
dusky mica
not heard anything like that at all, no
I don't think I'd want anyone that plays mage to tank
languid rose
"help the boss keeps getting in melee range of me"
junior ivy
wha tis the point of wakening essences once you got all leggos?
strong hill
Leggos for alts
fleet galleon
And becomes a random legendary for the class listed when used
Pretty handy to gear up alts if you play then
But it is a random class token also which is lame
strong hill
Random meaning your probably getting sephuz ๐
fleet galleon
Good excuse to make one ๐
junior ivy
i like the idea of alts
but i hate having to redo quests ive already done
like all the boring questing
i dunno how people survive it
royal cobalt
junior ivy
having to set up my addons for new characters ๐ฆ
fleet galleon
Well, you don't really need that many addons while leveling/questing
Maybe it'll be a way to cut down on the adding you use on your main
winged marsh
just copy profiles from your your main. New toons take me 3-4 minutes to setup with all my current addons cause I just use my profiles
brave halo
How important is it to try to get Majordomo's Dinner Bell, Animated Exoskeleton, Raven Eidolon, and Shiverman's Bone?
I know Writhing Heart of Darkness is a priority, but what about those other 4?
turbid horizon
WHoD is priority? That's news to me
brave halo
You wanna answer the question?
turbid horizon
IMO, none of them, get Diimas
brave halo
I have it.
turbid horizon
Then Shivermaws probably
brave halo
I've had several tanks here tell me that WHoD is one of the best trinkets on bosses that do more bleed/magic damage.
compact geyser
WHoD is definitely good, and if you can get a high ilvl one I guess go for it. All depends on what you are doing. Like, I hardly ever remove my pantheon trinket anymore and I have a 975 Diimas so it's real hard to use another.
fleet galleon
It would be pretty good on like portal keeper or something for sure. If you can keep up the DR
brave halo
Thank you @compact geyser @fleet galleon Any thoughts on the other 4 I listed?
fleet galleon
Shivermaw's is also very good at high item level on many targets
Dinner bell is really good when combined with vers food but I think the pantheon is a better option for similar purpose. Plus it helps your raid out
Other two aren't really that good unless you need a lot of bonus stamina
But that's not really common at this stage
Diima's is easier to acquire at high item level so usually preferred to Shivermaw
Trinkets are really fight specific though so use what you have based on the situation.
dusky mica
The Shivermaw/Diima combo is a beast for aoe damage.
Also defensively good too, since we are tanks after all
Majordomo's Dinner Bell, niche use, not really worth farming. Animated Exoskeleton, pointless now, don't bother. Raven Eidolon, terrible don't bother. Shivermaw's Bone, you'll have to get lucky at the vendor so not something to worry about.
brave halo
Sweet, thank you. I currently have DMDI, Archimonde's, Diima's, Smoldering Titanguard, and Riftworld. So it sounds like I need Pantheon and WHoD. I heard Apoc Drive is worse than what I've already got.
(I think someone mentioned Apoc Drive might be good for M+ though)
junior ivy
lunar festival gotta be one of the most boring wow holidays
vocal nimbus
You dont need any trinket
Between the good ones there are minor differences
Also, instead of specific trinkets get something for each situation
Like, stamina for oneshots, dmd for physical, vers for magic, etc
fleet galleon
Apoc drive is good when you're getting melee'd a lot. Eg Aggramar
vocal nimbus
I would fish specific trinkets for dmg/m+
Like kabuto said, diimas + shivermaw is really strong
Although shivermaw is super rare to get
ToS glaives is a good aoe trinket too
junior ivy
where is trrhe entrance to blackrock depths?
ember arrow
junior ivy
thanks levko
tender phoenix
any1 have a link to the ToS WAs?? i deleted my wtf folder earlier this week forgot to back them up
tender phoenix
i cant find it fast on there
long bronze
wait till you get pit of saron
lost boss has 5 m hp
last*
trash om there has as much hp as bosses in the other ones
lime spruce
last boss is hilarious if people don't know how brand of saron works
undone sun
Pit was so broken when it was first released as a timewalking version
lime spruce
I got absolutely fucking DOMED by this ret pally who must have blown all his CDs as he got marked
undone sun
Literally the worst to pug
long bronze
yes
long bronze
maybe they hotfixed it
ember arrow
u wait for dragon to leave
long bronze
I did it earlier this week
ember arrow
then the boss jumps down
long bronze
well yeah thats how the fight works lol
long bronze
Yeah he had 5m earlier this week
both did, but the dragon is of no consequence
timewalking is just irritating because it takes longer, you need more dungeons, and you get a lower reward than mythic one
undone sun
Imo not worth the effort, i haven't done it since i got the mount
More than a year ago
junior ivy
is anyone here horde?
undone sun
Yes
ember arrow
yea
junior ivy
k, levko dont yell at me for asking this, but how do you get into undercity?
junior ivy
okay
undone sun
Depends where you're coming from, there's a zeppelin from Orggrimar to Undercity, there's a portal in new Dalaran to undercity
ember arrow
tunnel to the right
or u take elevator
shame ur not on my realm
wud be killing u
long bronze
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
long bronze
damn I really like high mountain tauren but I really want upright orc to come out lol
undone sun
The elder is in the ruins, not actual undercity
junior ivy
really?!
so im here dyin for nothing
grr
im somehow fighting sylvaannas
ewait no she ran away
yes sylvannas's buddies killed me but at least i got my elder
ember arrow
Skada: Levko's Damage for Total: 23:41 (20 Min 9 Sec):
Shield Slam 1.59M (24.2%)
Thunder Clap 1.15M (17.5%)
Sorrow 830.7K (12.7%)
Devastator 683.0K (10.4%)
sorrow op op?
hallow phoenix
Is that a dungeon?
hallow phoenix
No revenge? :(
hallow phoenix
Maybe I spam revenge too much...
hallow phoenix
Pulling whole rooms is great fun!
hallow phoenix
Must be counting all the damage one cast does
ember arrow
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hallow phoenix
Which dungeon? Any bosses with a damage % modifier
worn nebula
critter?
ember arrow
uhh the one with the faceless boss at the end
worn nebula
likely a lvl 1 critter that got caught in crossfire
ember arrow
also a worm does a poison blast that gives -100 armor
reflectable
yea boi
-1000
i mean
worn nebula
double check if theres any other kind of ability that had a top hit higher than the average
if not, then def critter
if you had, then some modifier likely?
ember arrow
ye no others like that
hallow phoenix
Ahn'kahet right?
ember arrow
yea
long bronze
oh I was just looking at the screenshot
been awhile since I used recount.. and I forgot skada existed lol
I just knew it wasn't details ๐
ember arrow
it does its job
i only use it to post screenshots how shit my pugs are
or to kick low dps
hallow phoenix
Is there a way to cheese garoth bombardment? I see logs >1 mil and i don't see how it's possible when you have to kite for like 1/4 of the fight
ember arrow
pala tank magic bop u
1 mil isnt hard
its often more than 1.2 that requires some effort
for me at least
hallow phoenix
Hmm I get like 800k. Maybe I need to use my cds better
hallow phoenix
Lol
ember arrow
yea
hallow phoenix
I'll try that
junior ivy
im just scared to spend rage on it
ember arrow
only when i wanna push dps
junior ivy
in case i need ip or sb
ember arrow
90% i use revenge only on free procs
languid sigil
Hey there, is there any point of going for more than 5 traits in dragon skin? Currently at 12% extra damage ignored by IP
undone sun
There's no negative drawback from having move
atomic gazelle
what are the best 2 prot legendaries
atomic gazelle
@undone sun thanks playa
undone sun
๐
warm plinth
Yeah the only one you can't get with bastion on it is fire iirc
long bronze
@atomic gazelle depends on the situation. Bracers Gloves Belt are considered the best 3, but Prot Ring is also quite good. The pants are frequently used on veri and argus
warm plinth
Blood one drops from Kil'jaeden
warm plinth
No worries. In the future, just FYI, you can look up a trait on wowhead, and it'll give you every relic that has that trait as a primary trait.
long bronze
ooo didn't know that
warm plinth
Just know that most of the time you have to hover over the relic in the loot list to see who drops it because everything says "drop, vendor" now due to relinq tokens
long bronze
yeah good point
junior ivy
why does muraudin even exist
topaz ember
so i just got the warrior dps trinket in tank spec has anyone elsse had this happen?
I should say Khaz'goroth's courage the argus one
warm plinth
I think after you get the first pantheon trinket, it gives you a random one the next time or some shit
topaz ember
ugh im just madd b/c i thought it was the leggo one when i first seen it pop up xD
undone sun
Technically yes, but we're only in the running for Khaz and agg
AMT is on a completely separate roll
warm plinth
Technically yes on the random drop after the first?
warm plinth
Gotcha
junior ivy
how come horde hang out in orgrimmar not thunder bluff?
thunder bluff is a pretty place
warm plinth
Because Thunder Bluff doesn't have all of the methods of travel to other places that Orgrimmar has.
junior ivy
makes sense to pick SW its more accessible
has no ceiling
can fly around in and out of it
IF is annoying
but yeah i guess i didnt think of transport
i just think thunder bluff is really cool
ember arrow
there are portals from most places to and from orgrimmar
ember arrow
in a mmorpg ppl eventually gravitate to most efficient method pf playing
90% of ppl in major cities are afk
doesnt matter if it looks nice
long bronze
weee 100 parse on eonar lol
junior ivy
grats !!
ember arrow
eonar % dosnt count
junior ivy
dont ruin it on him. its exciting lol
long bronze
lol
I know but its funny
aww rip log says 100 but I'm actually 4th
time to uninstall
raven bronze
oh hey, I was the tank in that grp lul
barren current
can some one explain to me best way to use t21 prot 4 set?
undone sun
Nothing really specific to it, 4pc is passive
barren current
bah srry meant 2 set
undone sun
As soon as you use Battle Cry, spam Shield slam
to not rage cap spam ignore pain
Idealy you wouldn't be talented into Vengeance considering the GCD lock so pick Booming Voice
barren current
thx<3
modest crest
Hidden artifact skin was up just now!
warm plinth
Artifact skin is on a per-player basis.
brave halo
Does Crit rating increase Crit Block chance at all? Or is that only Mastery?
warm plinth
Only mastery
sick sentinel
Is there a point where you can have too much haste or is it just kind of good forever
i'm at 35%
warm plinth
It's good forever
cinder nova
Is collapsing futures a decent ring?
Got a 940, has more mast than a 955 I got
Oh wait nevermind wrong channel
brave halo
Internet says Riftworld Codex has 3 RPPM. Is that at all increased by taking more attacks?
Or is its use in AOE mainly because of the AOE damage which is converted to a heal?
undone sun
Each portal is presumably on a separate rppm from each other, each portal has a 3rppm based on damage taken
So yes, getting attacked more will theoretically yield more procs
brave halo
Maybe this is a silly question, but I don't have time to math it: is 1% Avoidance (e.g. Parry) the same value as 1% Damage Reduction from Armor?
undone sun
Avoidance is very fight dependent, doesn't work for everything. armor is generally more useful though
brave halo
I get that, I'm just talking statistically
My napkin math says yes, so I'm going with that
sick sentinel
Hey guys
I was wondering if anger management or heavy repercussions is better for defense
Same goes for indomitable and devastator
I need to know because I want to have the best defensive build for mythic hounds of sargeras
shut summit
AM / deva
sick sentinel
They hit really hard esp when the debuff swaps
I currently use anger management and devastator
undone sun
Hounds is mostly from the magic dot and the maw hits, maw hits are blockable and easily managable playing correctly
HR in Antorus is never needed, specially with tier
Indom, as stated in the guide, is only ever useful if you're getting one-shot through mitigation
Which is never
warm plinth
On an attack that fits both criteria, physical and aoe, then yes, avoidance is the same as armor in that 1% of both is 1% reduction in damage
Wow, way to update Discord
final mist
Abrodus, you typically want to ensure your big mitigation stuff is up during high stacks of the maws.
undone sun
Like SB and/or SR
final mist
EX. Tanking the fire dog, you'll get up to around 7-8 stacks of the debuff, make sure you're using NF.
undone sun
Considering it's blockable, the initial hits of maws shouldn't be a problem
final mist
^
Make sure you have and are using SB whenever the Maws are about to go out, even if you take a few unblocked melees - you should live through those.
The Maw is the scary thing, especially at high stacks.
delicate urchin
bears main stat sims lower than any secondaryes after around 965 ilvl, did we have same thing? shoud we use haste gem insted strenth after 960-965 ilvl?
undone sun
Not all bears, it's different from person to person and without working sims we cannot say without 100% certainty
delicate urchin
okay, thx
left mauve
So I'm just starting back on my prot warrior, and I can't seem to get rage, at all really. Currently sitting at crappy ilvl (about 900 with 15% haste), so I'm just wondering is it basically just get more haste > slam more things, or am I just trying to use ignore pain too much?
slow cedar
get the t20 4 piece and 2 pieces of t21, raid finder is fine
you'll have more rage than you'll know what to do with
warm plinth
@left mauve You wouldn't be using Indomitable, now would you?
left mauve
Yeah, I'm guessing that's the problem then
left mauve
Guess I'll just have to get used to having nothing to press then xD
warm plinth
What's your haste at?
left mauve
About 15%
warm plinth
You might feel that way now, but my warrior is only at like 24 or 25% on mine at 948 and I had plenty to press even before 2pc T21
It also helps to use Booming Voice and Anger Management, so you get extra rage from Demo Shout and get CDs back faster
left mauve
Tbh it's mostly my brain telling me I still have heroic strike off the gcd to weave in to keep my fingers busy, its been a while since I played warrior
warm plinth
Wow, it has lol. I forgot all about heroic strike
left mauve
I'm gonna go respec and give it a shot, thanks guys
old zephyr
Sal - Aujourd'hui ร 08:09
^
Make sure you have and are using SB whenever the Maws are about to go out, even if you take a few unblocked melees - you should live through those.
The Maw is the scary thing, especially at high stacks.
I have trouble predictiong the maws, how do you predict them?
@final mist
warm plinth
There are timers in DBM for them
undone sun
Both BW and DBM should count down
old zephyr
oh okay
i'll pay more attention
Quick question i'm trying to install Add-ons and I don't know what to do with the .ccip file
doesn't seem to do anything when I put it in my Add-on directory
fringe adder
That brought back memories. I remember having heroic strike and cleave on the mouse scroll wheel, back before mice had macro buttons.
vocal nimbus
@4XTCH [SAV]#6057 try using the twitch desktop app to install addons
round hornet
@old zephyr download the zips if you aren't using curse/twitch clients
old zephyr
okay ty
umbral talon
Hi guys, new in tanking. Love the role and the war prot. I feel all mighty charging boss and each mob. Just to clarify a point, I come from Mage (still main it) and I wanted to know if they are BiS legos like they are for the magus ?
Got the belt so far.
ember arrow
belt/gloves/wrists legs can be extremely goodsituationally
wrists are bis defensively, nothing coems close
umbral talon
Thanks !
slate obsidian
It's honestly just very fight-dependant. e.g. wrists are very strong if you have a consistent damage-intake, however do nothing when you're taking damage in huge bursts, or when your healing is reduced (Varimathras). The Walls Fell Ring is really strong in situations where you need a strong Cooldown more often, the legs are invaluable when you need more Spell reflects, like on the first boss in MoS, Shade of Medivh or Varimathras.
ember arrow
this chat's been quiet for more than 2 hours now? ๐ฎ
umbral talon
@slate obsidian thanks for the details.
strong hill
Legs are also great for the last boss in upper Kara.
ember arrow
and all but first boss NL
junior ivy
i might play an alt.
pliant pawn
so i have a question. im having troubles surviving on dogs in Antorus raid. any ideas of what i could do to better myself for that fight. it is the only fight where i am unable to survive the mechanics
ember arrow
do u block the maws?
junior ivy
or normal
pliant pawn
heroics
junior ivy
i got a weakaura for you.
ember arrow
@pliant pawn are u blocking the mawS?
junior ivy
pliant pawn
i believe i am
junior ivy
basically these weakauras warn you with a sound of your choice 3 seconds before maw
giving you time to have SB up
they were a LIFE SAVER for me
ember arrow
or u can watch the timers
ember arrow
yhe but ur special
pliant pawn
lol
ember arrow
@pliant pawn block maws wit SB and chain LS /SW at 5_ stacks
junior ivy
yeah you need to block eveyr maw
and if youre like me, you might not want to stare at timers, i found an audible queue much more helpful
pliant pawn
sorry im bad at abbreviations , i had brain surgery back in june so ive forgotten a lot of stuff
pliant pawn
gotcha
junior ivy
sorry about the surgery arthrall
pliant pawn
ty
junior ivy
hope all is better now
pliant pawn
it has been rough
junior ivy
it becomes pretty easy to survive if youre ahble to block all the maws though
i find it a breeze now
but i struggled soo mcuh at first
id come in hetre freaking out "IM QUITTING WOW I CANT SURVIVE HOUNDS"
pliant pawn
what add on do i use in game for the weakaruras?
junior ivy
the addon is called weakauras
pliant pawn
ive got dbm
ember arrow
then no need for weakaura, i do dogs all difficultie sicne week 2
DBM has cd covered
junior ivy
actually i think dbm has an option now to set a timer for maws
let me check
cause weakauras is confusing if ytouve never used it before
and i dont wanna confuse you
arthrall !
vocal nimbus
@undone sun dmg mods apply to diimas?
junior ivy
heres where i found that option arthrall, for the sounds
btw that option was added to DBM just becuase of me
casue i asked the developer to add it
thats how much i was tired of dying on hounds
pliant pawn
lol alright
junior ivy
good luck ๐
ember arrow
@vocal nimbus yes
junior ivy
yw
spark mortar
Morning Shield Slammers of Steel!
Today's inquiry is regarding relics - I have a two 945s and one 960.
(945) 1st - Bastion, Secure, Dragon Skin
(945) 2nd - Shatter, Murderous, Dragon Skin
(960) 3rd - Rage, Shadow, Will
Is it actually worth it to go down in ilvl for relics with Bastion (i.e Relic Roulette on Vindicaar) or is the loss of raw stats just too much in the Artifact itself by doing it? We do regular runs of 15+ so I can try to optimize that way on M+.
sick sentinel
if you are doing just regular +15s and onlyheroic raids just go for ilvl damage reduction from bastion wont matter anyway
but if you want to go higher keys or doing mythic bastion is perfect as defensive
ember arrow
Skada: Healing for Necrotic Spiderling (2): 17:03 (1 Min 10 Sec):
- Levko 103.40M (1.48M, 75.0%)
- Stygeros 27.50M (398.5K, 19.9%)
- Koromilos 5.94M (87.3K, 4.3%)
- Anรฌsa 902.4K (13.1K, 0.7%)
slate obsidian
yeah that's normalon that fight
ember arrow
@spark mortar if u dont di high keys or do mythic progress anymore then its fine replacing bastion for higher ilvl, however, on challenging content, bastion is invaluable, worth dropping any amount of ilvls
maiden locust
hey boys my off spec is prot I usually play it doing some low keys around 15-17 when the main tanks of the guild are not available. or I just tank heroic so the main tanks can have fun dpsing. since I don't do really hard content I usually go for big dick dps have max trait in tunderclap ect. I usually run with with an 915 Arcano and 960 momento any other trinket I should farm?
gilded wedge
You guys think warriors are good tanks for a mythic 15? And what ilvl should be required ?
ember arrow
@gilded wedge yes. ilvl depends on how much knowledge u got of the dungeon, m15 can be done at 910 i think but at 940 its the default
maiden locust
oh and ofc glaives for aoe. also since my dps pantheon trinket will be done next week is the tank 1decent for damage just because of the big hunk of strength
astral crystal
m15s are very easy at this point, you should be fine
junior ivy
theyre easy to finish, not so easy tro finish with in the timer
maiden locust
I think 1 good dps can really carry a 15 on a timer pretty easily
buy again pugging that 1 good dps is like playing a slot machine
languid rose
that's why when everybody else dies on a boss you force them to watch you solo the last 20%
maiden locust
last boss of BRH di at the first shadow bolt and you solo the whole damn thing
tender phoenix
hi all, im in the middle of wiping on mage tower over and over and over how the hell do i deal with Annihilate ?
maiden locust
always devastator
some mechanics seems to require indomidable like maw first boss but there always another better way like Lego legs
gilded wedge
Annihilate is use spell reflect and velens orbs and charge for the stun.
tender phoenix
@gilded wedge i popped it during his cast i still get it
languid rose
been a while but wasn't annihilate block and you reflect the spell he uses to heal himself so you steal the buff instead of interrupting it?
gilded wedge
Ah yes that's what I ment. Spell reflect the heal.
tender phoenix
and do what with Annihilate?
tender phoenix
only get to 2 stacks as i was interuping the Twisted Reflection cast
timid jay
If you don't have SB up for it at that point you'r basically dead
junior ivy
do epople actually still do wintergrasp? otherwise how is it determined which faction holds it?
long bronze
@nova idol you never take indomidable. Dev always
icy leaf
are there any legendarys to prefer ?
icy leaf
thanks
nova idol
Aight, thanks
sacred hill
final mist
If you're looking for a DPS trinket, the Conviction is basically a Vers stick of the same ilevel
Diima's is decent, especially in AoE
Moonglaives, etc
long bronze
chronoshard lol
final mist
Chronoshard is good if you can get it when you need it
I.E. on pull with CDs
It almost never happens, but it's good if it does
gilded wedge
Used prydaz and legs myself and the heirloom trinket that gives 10% increased damaged against demons.
cinder nova
Zen pls
gilded wedge
Sup?
cinder nova
I mean you can. I know the trinket is worth it on the challenge.
final mist
Because in both cases, it's wrong
I mean the trinket is decent but you can get much better options nowadays
gilded wedge
Was in the wrong channel but anyhoo, anyone know a good guide for mythic dungeons? builds, legends,etc?
final mist
Check the pins.
cinder nova
Well... NOW, probably, yeah. But when it first came out?
final mist
Why would talking about then matter when people are asking about how to do it now, Swole?
It has no bearing on their question.
cinder nova
Yeah, but in the pinch the trinket can be used. Sure, you could probably use better trinkets, but that's assuming you have them.
Practically everyone has the loom these days.
cinder nova
That's true.
ember arrow
i dont
cinder nova
Did you not play at all during WOD, Lev?
gilded wedge
I completed the tower yesterday with bear tartare food, strenght pot, augmented buff, Prydaz and arators leggo. Gronntooth heirloom trinket. 930 ilvl. No set bonus. Are those loom trinkets still available or was it wod only?
ember arrow
i did
i dont use looms whne leveling
i didnt make alts until now
leveling was boring, now i am leveling 2
cinder nova
I think it was the end patch of WoD, but I could be wrong.
Yeah, just the end of WoD with HFC.
tawny crown
How do most of you tank imonar? Do you soak the shrapnel blasts? I was soaking every second set of shrapnel blasts + taking sever. Incoming damage was pretty insane. I told guild to drop that method and just place all shrapnel blasts on outside of platform, but they insisted on first method
tawny crown
So in other words, u did soak shrapnel blasts?
tawny crown
aight, guess ill just have to put up with it
I wasnt dying, that wasnt the problem
but it was very close
ALOT of the time
vocal nimbus
My guild doesnt soak blasts
We pull imonar to the a side on the end of the platform and move forward (tanks backwards) with each cast of mines
Phase usually ends right when we reach the bridge
undone sun
Yeah there's a handful of strats that work
strong hill
My guild did the same as shenko, tanks take a few steps back and everyone shuffles forward.
tawny crown
also, question about Riftworld codex
Is it worth using in AOE situations for DPS purposes? I notice a small uptime on the buffs. compared to using just my 955 cradle for haste str
ember arrow
uptime is big on aoe
split raven
Just completed the mage tower tank challenge. Brewmaster took me 47 attempts. Vengeance 15. Beartank 19. This Protection warrior was a one shot. What the fruit.
winter frost
rage tower returns
you one shot the warrior challenge, impressive what was your setup?
split raven
er, gimme a moment, I'll drop a screenshot.
winter frost
im on like 150 attempts
gaunt dawn
winter frost
unfortunately i don't have either of those leggos
split raven
Farm up for a lego a week and you'll get them
winter frost
heavy reprecussions is a interesting choice, i've been trying to go anger management
split raven
Yeah I was just thinking of trying to keep SB up during kruul as much as possible. Plus I don't have any set pieces on this young lad.
final mist
AM is a significantly stronger choice
brave halo
Any place where Raven Eidolon is actually useful?
undone sun
Only for the static stam
But then there's better options, like reliquary and eye of shatug
split raven
AM is still better defensively even without t20/21?
final mist
Correct
split raven
I'll try playing with it then, thank you Sal.
final mist
You can block the majority of the blockable damage with SB's base length and CD, and AM gives you significantly reduced CDs and damage increase via BC
winter frost
i was thinking just going nuts on varis in phase one by taking avatar like some did
final mist
There's no point to use HR unless you're doing something like solotanking Mythic Aggramar's melees/cleaves, and even then AM is still better
undone sun
^
At that point legs are marginally better, there's enough downtime to allow for the charges to recharge
The CDR with AM is just too big to pass up
final mist
I wouldn't even bother with the legs in that case
split raven
Thank you both for the information.
final mist
You can make a case for them, but they still aren't necessary
slate pilot
How are u guys handling Imonar mythic? How fast are u guys interrupting?
jade socket
Usually when everyone is close to the end of the bridge
A rocket or two isnโt lethal
undone sun
Usually when most of the melee, first tank to get there interrupts for us
slate pilot
Our problem is that we interrupt to slow, and our tanks say if they interrupt faster they get 1 shot
halcyon siren
hey guys, is devastator or indom better at low ilvls :/ just hit 110 on my war finally lol
warm plinth
I've used Devastator the entire time
halcyon siren
k
slate pilot
Do you guys have 1 tank clearing the whole bridge?
undone sun
1 tank and two rogues for bridges 1 and 3, one tank for bridges 2 and 4
clever cliff
Hi, guys. One question. How do you deal with Burning/Corrupting Maw when fighting Felhounds H?
broken kite
Use shield block for every maw
Use Sr/ls/sw as required for high stacks dot
@clever cliff
Should be np then
clever cliff
Oh, okay then. Thanks!
I've been taking insane amounts of damage sometimes
I may have to keep better track of my mitigation then. Thanks
broken kite
Fortunately the maw is blockable :)
Would strongly suggest a simple weak aura to track your shield block
Just so you can see when it's active,/ how long it has left
ember arrow
DBM tracks its cd
clever cliff
I do have a progress bar for SB but when there's too many things on the screen it can be hard to see it. I should make it more flashy or bigger
broken kite
@ember arrow for shield block, not the maw timer.
wooden yew
Are a lot of you trying to maintain 4pc/2pc 20/21? Is there a good breakpoint to go straight 4pc T21?
analog swift
Hey what do y'all recomend for trash in keys? between sephuz/kakushan and the belt? I've been rocking ring+belt but not sure about gloves.
@wooden yew it's worth about 30 ilvls. So heroic to heroic, normal to normal
clever cliff
@analog swift I personally like to go with ring + belt. Can't make a strong valid point on it, it just suits me better
broken kite
@analog swift I'd use belt/gloves aoe or belt/bracers if heal fear. Gloves/bracers generally for St.
I've never used sephuz, rage gain from belt/gloves is too good to give up for anything else than bracers
analog swift
i rarely need bracers only for when healers usck
yeah i can see why gloves would be better than sephuz
more rage = more battle cries
but then again it's not THAT much more rage
latent oyster
can Shadow Strike be spell reflected on vari M?
analog swift
yeh
undone sun
Not completely reflected, no
but mitigated by the 50% Damage reduction spell reflect gives, yes
warm plinth
It's not reflectable, but the 50% reduction works
analog swift
sorry that's what i meant
latent oyster
thanks for fast reply โค
analog swift
yeh, the pants are godly for that fight
undone sun
Well, they aren't necessary considering you can SR every other and easily maintain a CD like SW or LS for the gaps
undone sun
Difficulty is entirely subjective
winter frost
stack stick with haste and Gorslhach or whatever its called
analog swift
do you have anything else?
analog swift
kj?
winter frost
yes
i got bracers and pants too
leggos
tried shoulders with the leap and also have the boots
i'm over 150 attempts and he's still kicking my ass
winter frost
no
broken kite
My advice is take a break, come back after a little bit
analog swift
imo see if you can grab dps leggos
undone sun
Idealy belt/bracers for the challenge
broken kite
Don't smash your head against it constantly :)
analog swift
take a breka, go grab some dps trinkets (horn of valor, moongliaves cradel etc. from ToS ez)
winter frost
isn't that what warriors do though?
warm plinth
These questions seem pointless to determining how to help him
You can do the challenge with any talents and any legendaries at remotely decent gear levels.
analog swift
i mean
yes but it becomes insanely easier with actuall trinkets instead of stat sticks and purely defensive leggos
warm plinth
But if he's failing to a mechanic, a legendary isn't going to help him, and neither is a trinket
Just seems like odd questions to ask before "what's killing you"
broken kite
Good point
warm plinth
Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off like it did. I just think we should figure out what he's struggling with so we can help better
long bronze
pretty much the only think that will regularly kill you in the challenge is getting knocked off
with victory rush and the orbs theres so much healing
broken kite
It's easy to get overwhelmed, especially if you've been doing it for ages without a breather
long bronze
def true
warm plinth
Yeah, taking a breather is definitely a good idea if you're several attempts in and not getting anywhere. You get all jittery and frantic lol
long bronze
also stormbolt is super nice for that fight
warm plinth
I can't fathom 150 attempts. That's crazy
winter frost
sorry I was doing a mythic +
whats wrecking me is his mind rends and his little purple minions
warm plinth
What ilevel are you Placid?
winter frost
930-934 depending on what i equip
warm plinth
Mmk. So for Mind Rends, you can use Spell Reflect at the end of a cast and it'll reduce two of them by 50%, which can be helpful. You can also reflect the psytalons debuff the adds do but I didn't find the adds particularly dangerous (I was 929 when I did it). Don't kill the eyes immediately when they spawn; instead, use them when you need a heal. I also ran the Impending Victory talent (only one that's really worth using in the challenge anyway)
So you get a free 15% heal every 30 seconds
Well, 10 rage heal, but whatever
I used Shockwave for the challenge because I felt like it was better for me to be able to shockwave the adds than storm bolt the boss (I had no difficulties getting in to interrupt Drain Life though)
And you can still hit the boss with Shockwave in an emergency from outside the aura
winter frost
i didn't know you could spell reflect psy talons
warm plinth
Now you do! ๐
undone sun
2 charges of SR
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, if that's what you need to get through it, by all means. Legendaries really are not make or break on that fight, especially at your ilevel
I think I was using TWF and aggramar's because it was all I had
prime nymph
is there any weakaura out there that show's active tank on boss?
winter frost
my paladin was a cake walk because I could just lock down varis the whole fight
im using shockwave btw
warm plinth
Yeah, though, with IP up and using the eyes/adds for VR procs, you really shouldn't struggle too much with incoming damage on the first phase. Don't be stingy with orbs if you need them; you really don't need more than 1 or 2 in the last phase, which will be available during the phase. You don't really need to hold them over from P1 (and they despawn after a period of time anyway)_
winter frost
seems like im doing everything right, the adds rarely knock me off, i sometimes lose track of my stacks and rush back in too early and then get too many stacks then his mind rends start wrecking me
warm plinth
Yeah, I personally was probably over-aware of stacks and didn't spend as much time in the aura as I should have (due to not paying attention to when they dropped). There are WAs out there for that though, if you need one.
winter frost
IP seems like it always kills my rage though
ember arrow
wut
warm plinth
I mean, Shield Slam is gonna be your primary source of damage on the fight anyway
ember arrow
thats the point
warm plinth
You can do the entire fight without even casting Revenge outside of add spawns
Especially with 2pc T21
I didn't have 2pc T21 and I still had like 45% of my damage coming from Shield Slams
You don't need to rush at 930; your issue is dying, not DPS. Spend more rage on defense and you probably won't die so easily
winter frost
i feel like taking down those horrors fast is essential though so that's when im using revenge a lot
warm plinth
Yeah but at 930 you should be downing the horrors in like...4 globals, maybe 5
You shouldn't need more than 2 revenges during that period, which you should easily have rage for
strong hill
charging back in and refreshing stacks caused me quite a few wipes. To quote the monks, slow down . Let your stacks drop off then go at him again
winter frost
i hate just sitting there waiting though, feels like i should be doing something to help myslef
analog stirrup
killl the eye adds for a free victory rush if you are waiting for stacks to drop off
also when you make it to krull make sure to spell reflect his cast
junior ivy
why does sunken temple even exist
strong hill
to piss us all off. The few times i level an alt and " new dungeon: sunken temple" unlock i laugh and go somewhere else
junior ivy
i just had to do it for stuypid lunar festivcal stuff
at least im almost done
yessssssssssssss
did it all in 2 days
timid jay
Sunken templed used to be my favorite instance
Then they gutted it in cata and made it super short and boring
๐ข
fast knot
Dragon's Call is way easier to farm now that loot spec has changed to personal, probably the only positive
junior ivy
whats dragons call
junior ivy
all x-mog is my fancy
ember arrow
what does lunar got to do wit prot
junior ivy
im a prot warrior and i wanted my achievement
but tbh i thought it was okay to talk about general wow stuff as long as i wasnt doing it while a prot related conversation was taking place, and only during down time
undone sun
Yeah it's fine cat
junior ivy
im deleting addons. everyone acitng like im crazy for having 187 has finally gotten through to me
so im doing a purge
undone sun
junior ivy
ill let youk now how many i have left after my purge
its 187 starting off
i wanna get it to around 100.
thats my goal.
undone sun
Probably a bunch of small, QoL addons
junior ivy
thyme what mini map addon do you use?
undone sun
Just elvui's default
junior ivy
oh right you use elvui
i feel left out casue i dont use elvui tbh
who uses details!?
got a quick question
undone sun
I do
tawny crown
send
junior ivy
can i make it so the windows are hidden out of combat?
especially my healing meter
i dont care about that unless imin a raid
undone sun
/de options is to lead to the options menu
broken kite
I also do
fading kernel
is there any way to help with the infernals during the artifact challenge, its very hard for me to see the aoe marker because it blends in so weell
fading kernel
k
eager falcon
between bracers, walls, and thundergods, which combo would have the highest hps on a st fight?
ember arrow
only wrists provide hps
althoguh belt will make u cast more DS (even on ST ) then not meaning more rage, meaning more hps indirectly
undone sun
Twf/belt provide enough rage to contribute to the HPS that IP contributes
But on ST, with t21, likely twf
ember arrow
how can wrists not be one of the leggos to have more hps Thyme?
fading kernel
ic
ember arrow
if u reflect it he heals u when he melees u
at least that was like that when i did challenge
warm plinth
The green shit doesn't do anything except do a lot of damage to you. It doesn't heal him.
And yeah, you can reflect it like Lev said, or interrupt it.
junior ivy
im scared ive made my ui even worse by trying to ficx it
junior ivy
final mist
But why tho
junior ivy
no its progress
i had 187 like 15 mins ago
i got it down to 174
im workin my way down
broken kite
Go you