If I get Eye of (both) and Apoc Drive, would Riftworld and Diima's still be my standard trinkets?
#protection
brave halo
long bronze
riftworld is pretty meh
brave halo
The Eye trinkets seem pretty meh to me unless the other tank has the companion.
ember arrow
its good in m+
not for raids
eye trinket other tank bonus is so small
eye of shatug is decet defensively
but u got better alternatives already
both eyes are 1 trinket
brave halo
So don't worry about getting the Eye trinkets?
brave halo
*Eye trinket
long bronze
would you use 930 riftworld over dmd in m+?
brave halo
Okay, so my priority from this point is getting Apocalypse Drive, correct?
long bronze
diimas is overall better but apoc drive is noice too
brave halo
Run Diima's/DMDI in Antorus, Diima's/Riftworld in M+?
ember arrow
no
diimas is better on tank swap
apoc is better on sustained tanking because cd gets reduced more
long bronze
even vs 1 mob?
ember arrow
i use pantheon/apoc drive vs bosses in mn+
brave halo
Hrm, let me rephrase
unborn steppe
just a quick question for a friend, what should be your general uptime on shield block during a raid encounter
brave halo
In a perfect world, where I have every trinket except Amanthul's.... what should be my default in Antorus and my default in M+?
ember arrow
there is no % SB uptime requirement
timid jay
Uptime is a worthless stat, look at % blocked attacks instead
undone sun
it's not about general uptime, it's more about when you're actively tanking
ember arrow
@brave halo u talk ina world where all trinekts are 985?
dps in m+: glaives/diimas
surv: dmd/WHOD
warm plinth
Don't forget shivermaw to use when Glaives are on CD ๐ฎ
long bronze
replacing a non bastion relic
warm plinth
:q...
digital wave
30.46% haste is that enough or do I need 32% haste as prot?
digital wave
The reason why I'm asking is because my RL is saying that if I don't have 32% haste I'm not viable as a warrior to tank
undone sun
your rl is dumb
long bronze
tell your RL to get bent lol
warm plinth
32%? That's never even been a number
long bronze
6/6 bastion... need one more ugh
digital wave
Cool, then maybe there will be a tank out of me after all
warm plinth
Just to clarify, you could tank with like 10% haste if you had to (it wouldn't be fun)
glacial sage
30% is one
undone sun
was
long bronze
yeah haste > mast ~= vers >>>> crit so as long as you balance the 3 you're pretty solid
glacial sage
was
long bronze
I like a lot of haste tho
glacial sage
What are all of them again?
undone sun
30% pre-7.1.5
35-40% with HR post-7.1.5
20% and 50% for t21 2pc (with no latency and perfect play ๐)
warm plinth
Perfect play just means making sure GCD isn't active right?
glacial sage
I can get up to 56% if I really want to be one speedy boi
digital wave
Alright cool, thanks everyone for your replies. Looks like it'll be some more reading up for me to do and then start working out protection for the rest of this raid tier!
broken kite
high haste just makes playing more enjoyable
long bronze
agreeed
long bronze
I only have 11% crit ๐
thorny laurel
question: Do you get the panteon buff from the DPS argus trinket as tank?
undone sun
yes, but it's reduced by half in antorus
solid mist
With Diimas, should I just be using on cooldown? The effect doesn't seem insane enough tot try and save for specific things
undone sun
highly dependent on the fight/situation
ember arrow
an ability that does its dmg in less than 12 seconds, does physical dmg, and its reduced by armor
IE forging strike
diimas is most effective when uusing it for periods of high dmg intake
if survivability is of no concern, then it can be used for dps
solid mist
so like... High Command after I take the first expose?
solid mist
cool, and yeah teh dps on that thing isn't too shabby ๐ฎ
ember arrow
u can also use it to let SB recharge
in dungeons where u tank a boss the whole time for example
or on trash
junior ivy
i got sooo many scenario achievements im very happy
glacial sage
what are you at?
broken terrace
does a prot warrior prefer suramar feast or haste food
ember arrow
id say haste
neither are bad though
as long as u switch dps and get strenbgth food
solid mist
I kind of miss reforging :x watching my haste drop from 29->23% b/c of a 20 ilvl upgrade :/
long bronze
if you use it with BC and DS its like 2 mil damage per target you hit
I used it on the audience in kara and did 6 m dps lol
I don't think anyone besides blizz didn't like reforging
it was so nice
junior ivy
im at 17,970 points
iron pecan
I'm having trouble deciding which leggos to run. Is there a good balance between def/dps combos? I'm running Manno/Kakushan atm and I really like the 3 sec off demo shout with AM talented
ember arrow
well manno with kakushan is good combo
u can go wrists/belt onm trash
wrists/gloves on ST
warm plinth
Relog, reload
Still not working, disable addons
Still not working, submit a ticket
junior ivy
it works but doesnt gimme shield slam infinite
i cant finish provingg rounds without it
round hornet
R u wearing the right gear
warm plinth
Are you sure you have T21 2pc equipped?
warm plinth
I wonder if it's broken in the proving grounds
Since, you know, it's the proving grounds
warm plinth
Why are you in DPS proving grounds as prot?
sick sentinel
what best legendary
junior ivy
cause theres an achievement for it and im obsessed with achieverment points today
warm plinth
There's an achievement for doing proving grounds in the wrong spec?
junior ivy
yeah
warm plinth
Interesting
junior ivy
warm plinth
Oh. You should be able to do silver pretty easily without T21
sick sentinel
what best legendary
undone sun
bracers/belt/gloves
undone sun
nice
tame sleet
whats a reasonable haste % at 920ilevel ?
junior ivy
i wonder if i could do gold lol
i gotta visit someones garrison and wave to them for an achievement
but i dunno how to visit someoens garrison
round hornet
they need to invite u
junior ivy
just invite me to their group?
undone sun
yes, they need to be leader of the group
broken kite
Go to your Garrison
Join a random pug group
View leaders garrison
Oh they have to be there don't they
junior ivy
yup
junior ivy
ty
broken kite
๐
broken kite
do we have a shitposting channel
undone sun
broken kite
sick
iron pecan
So without holding on to every CD I have...how the fuck do you deal with the 3rd fiery strike stack
long bronze
SR
broken kite
sr or ls or sw
iron pecan
I had a bad habit tonight of popping SR to help with transition with torment
and boom
12 mill
broken kite
what difficulty?
onyx radish
Lightning round. General Talents for mythic plus with absolutely no tier GO!
iron pecan
Heroic
broken kite
ok
onyx radish
1111111?
iron pecan
We had our DH go tank and he took a lot less strike damage than I did
broken kite
You're 100% safe just saving one of those 3 cooldowns for 3rd
even a ton of IP and you'll be OK
they probably used the DH AMS
there's a huge gap between each 3 satcks, loads of time for SR to come up
iron pecan
I'll run Bloodmirror for insurance then next time...it just catches me off guard every time because we're learning the fight
broken kite
no harm in it, but i mean you shouldnt need tons of cooldowns for that fight
so saving last stand/shield wall for oshitidonthaveSRup
might be a good call
iron pecan
Yeah. Our healers are having a ball learning it so it's a little rough for heals which leads to more freak out button poppin
broken kite
if people aren't co-ordinated that fight is a nightmare
iron pecan
It's literally cancer lmao
It's not hard to understand but shit is going on everywhere on every phase
broken kite
i'd suggest just making sure everyone understands all of the mechanics and what's expected of them
and it gets a lot easier
iron pecan
Yeah we'll get there. Our group is only 10 max so mistakes hurt a wee bit more
broken kite
if it's any better the smaller the group the easier coven is
less chance to run over each other
but a bit more pressure not to die ๐
iron pecan
Exactly lol well we got to 50% tonight compared to...80ish with the first torment. Progress though! Thanks for the help
broken kite
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hollow kite
is crono shard good compared to the other trinkets
onyx radish
Hey all, looking for general talents for m+ with no tier of any kind. I know some will be situational like "Warlords Challenge" for skittish.
broken kite
i'd use 3/3/1/3/1/3/1
Best served cold can also be good on really aoe heavy dungos :]
warm plinth
Eh. I don't find that Crackling Thunder is necessary. Warlord's Challenge is never a bad choice, but if I don't use that, I use Bounding Stride for the added mobility. That tier is basically personal preference without T20 though
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure you queue for it in old Dal
junior ivy
i queue for it?
warm plinth
Yeah, it's raid finder like any other raid
junior ivy
so i could end up with awful people?!
]
warm plinth
Isn't it?
junior ivy
but i want good people!
broken kite
totally agree @warm plinth, i actually used bounding but think crackling probably was better but preferred the speed xD
warm plinth
That's how people were doing it with BT anyway
broken kite
@onyx radish i'd also only use warbringer if you have someone you can charge to (mdps) otherwise use shockwave
keeping in mind you can also intercept pets
warm plinth
^ If you run with a lock or BM/Surv Hunter, you can intercept their pet as well so you can still do Warbringer. And you don't have the irritating moment where it has run away from the pack like some melee DPS do for some reason lol
junior ivy
ko im in ulduar...
warm plinth
I cannot imagine what a train wreck that raid is. It's so massive...
burnt flare
is 4pcT20 2pcT20 still regardless of ilvl?
broken kite
how many years ago was that
undone sun
@hollow kite it's good offensively
burnt flare
for example, what do you guys think is better?
https://gyazo.com/1f717d0e5c437dd01cf5fec010ec18ea
or
junior ivy
i gopt a motorbike
broken kite
@burnt flare little bit of personal preference - i think 4+2 is great for speedy cooldowns, but may eventually be outweighed by huge ilvl gaps
don't use the soul ring with t21 if you can avoid it
broken kite
TWF + Bracers is amazing for survivability, especially with tier bonuses. Bracers + belt for Aoe memes.
if breaking 4+2 you can also use gloves/bracers, or belt + gloves for aoe if you aren't worried about dying
burnt flare
yeah I can use that combo, here let me equip it
broken kite
tldr; the bonus from soul ring is hugely reduced when spamming shield slam (the t21 2p) - so not good to use together
hallow phoenix
@junior ivy I usually was assigned to a chopper
iron arrow
those of you doing mythic high command should your healers all be out healing a warrior tank?
burnt flare
with gloves equipped my haste drops by 10%
broken kite
gloves are great for damage and a bit of bonus rage, if you're playing defensively you may want to stick to TWF/Bracers
but ilvl>haste
burnt flare
alright, thanks for the feedback
broken kite
@iron arrow https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17#class=Warrior&boss=-1&spec=Protection have a look at the logs xD
iron arrow
....
warm plinth
@iron arrow I would imagine that they might outheal some of the healers at least, if they're using the legendary bracers.
Sense was only 2% below his 4th place healer and he wasn't using the bracers
broken kite
from looking it seems it's usually a little less, but margin is pretty small
warm plinth
2% of total healing*
brave halo
Any good trinkets from Ulduar Timewalking?
warm plinth
None worth noting I don't believe.
little rain
You need to find a group in group finder, then once you're full you can queue as a group in old dalaran
junior ivy
ulduar is fun!
broken kite
๐ค
warm plinth
Think Travex just fell victim to his Discord not updating immediately :p
junior ivy
can ulduar gear titanforge?
warm plinth
Timewalking gear can only go to base titanforge, so 945
For the raids
Timewalking dungeons (think they're 880 base now?) go to 895
hollow kite
So whats the record on the tanking training dummy
sick sentinel
http://puu.sh/zoOkx/420fb14a61.png ez first m vari kill
๐๐ฟ
that fight is zzzzz
oak laurel
How does IP scale? Is it just based off stamina?
oak laurel
I see, thanks
undone sun
doesn't melee
sick sentinel
good to know, thanks
sick sentinel
coven seems like a snoozefest
to tank
somewhat
other than tricky storm placements
dense pollen
how's the fury trinket been looking for prot recently? took a bit of a break from raiding
broken kite
which one?
proper pecan
Ask ur guildies to let u dmg a bit more
hazy path
is shadowbind worth more than a revenge trait?
proper pecan
Nope
hazy path
alright thanks
proper pecan
Btw can we use CrucibleWeight?
hazy path
whats the ilvl gain that gives mroe dmg per relci than a rvng +thunder relic
and thanks
proper pecan
Probably just go bastion and then ilvl
uncut pagoda
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unborn island
Finally have best overall dmg parses for a prot warr on my server on HC :) (I know it's just heroic, but it's all I do :()
undone sun
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unborn island
Next thing...world top 10.... might be a stretch w/o mythic gear
unborn island
Yeah. Think I would probably need to be not pugging >.<
turbid tusk
Hello
Are there any suggestions for the magetower challenge?
turbid tusk
I struggle in the first phase on the magic dmg, yesterday i did 5 trys and made it barely into phade 2 once
warm plinth
What talents are you using?
turbid tusk
I did the challenge on 4 other tanks, so the strategy is somewhat clear, but im pretty new to warrior
Give me a sec, i dont know of the top of my head >. <
Thats the setup i run yesterday
warm plinth
Mmk, only change I would make is Bounding Stride instead of Crackling Thunder
But it's not a gamebreaking change; just makes you more mobile
Crackling Thunder isn't needed because as soon as you hit one add, they all come to you
First I would make sure you're utilizing your "free" VRs every 30 seconds. Secondly, if you don't have enough healing, you can kill eyes (kill them as needed, not go ham on them as soon as they show up) and get free VR procs
You can also use Spell Reflect at like .5-1 seconds left on a Mind Rend cast and get a 50% reduction on that cast and the next one to help minimize damage, since you don't need SR anywhere else in P1
It also helps to be a bit more conservative about how many stacks you take since you're toward the lower side for ilevel, so after the opener, you probably wanna stay at 3-4 stacks of the aura
sharp steeple
You can also try and get your hands on t21 2 set from lfr since p1 becomes insanely easy with all the extra shield slams
proper pecan
Burst adds, save SR for them, try to stay an edge of voidzone, intercept velen for kruul jumps. Ezpz
turbid tusk
Thats what i did, i got 4 stacks, killed some eyes in the meantime to drop stacks but sometimes i get oneshitfron 60% without aura stacks
warm plinth
Hmm, that shouldn't happen. At most you should be getting hit for 3 mil by Mind Rend, assuming no IP or SR
And it's usually more like 1.6 mil
maiden lichen
Hi folks. Is there a up to date list out for Timewalking gear? I used to have T16, but as far as I now, legacy bonus has been disabled a while ago
warm plinth
You don't get bonuses from timewalking tier gear
They don't even have the text on them
No timewalking gear is worth seeking out
maiden lichen
No, I want to know what gear I should put on to do timewalking
warm plinth
Just your normal gear
maiden lichen
That works, of course. But some old Items scale crazy in Timewalking. Since there is nothing else to do in the game, its time to farm a new set ;-D
turbid tusk
@warm plinth thanks for the advice, im gonna try it again this evening, maybe i can improve :)
eager falcon
do you go for full dps relics/crucible? or do you go for a mix of defense and offense
undone sun
depends on the content you run and comfortability
eager falcon
so if I want to go for harder content, I'd be better to opt for def relics, but if I want to stay at my level, I should go for off relics. Right?
unborn island
don't know what your current level is, I aim for full DPS, but in my view the optimum trinkets would be 3x Bastion/Rage of the fallen, all having TTW as a secondary ๐
astral ermine
Hello all, question regarding Aggramar. His Foebreaker is blockable. Does that mean that Neltharion's Fury is a viable CD against it? We are talking about Heroic here. I have run in the past Archimonde's for extra cd, but just realized that maybe is not needed.
undone sun
yes
ionic fern
So, let me get this straight...even in AoE situations i don't use Revenge off CD but only use it if i'm about to cap on rage or get the proc?
warm plinth
You can use it on CD if you want, if you don't need to spend the rage on Ignore Pain
astral ermine
Cheers @undone sun
timid jay
You're welcome ๐
undone sun
timid jay
carmine cobalt
Do i need to start running tomb hugs for t20 or is t21 good for tanking?
unborn island
personally ouldn't bother
warm plinth
I don't think it's worth it
carmine cobalt
Only leges i have ar hands and shielwall ring
unborn island
wouldn't*
warm plinth
Just go for T21
timid jay
T21 is more than fine, t20 would be stronger at the same ilvl but that would require TF
warm plinth
Unless your guild is nice and does Tomb runs anyway
carmine cobalt
Ok
timid jay
If you can get heroic t21, its not worth it going for t20 unless you can get it mythic imo
unborn island
you need to kill Avatar mythic for the best tier piece to use anyway
warm plinth
Why you gotta ruin my dreams of my LFR T20 Cosmo
unborn island
and Maiden is still hard ๐
dark junco
Would 940 t20 2p be alright?
warm plinth
Also, I like that you finally changed your pic to Cosmo
dark junco
Head/shoulders
warm plinth
Not ideal but I'd say it's probably worth using 2+2
dark junco
Ideal is back shoulders?
warm plinth
Yeah, I was literally just gonna say that it'd be better if it was cloak+shoulders
:p
warm plinth
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timid jay
What you mean finaly
inland plinth
boots, pants, tank trinket or talent ring for some m+ action? its like my 10th alt, no tier, no great trinkets
warm plinth
Ehhh probably trinket+ring unless you need the extra SR charge
inland plinth
k, ty
warm plinth
Then probably ring+pants, defensively
carmine cobalt
For raiding which leges should i aim for
carmine cobalt
Got 1000 essences soon so just want to know if what i get is what i want :D
warm plinth
As long as it's not chest or prydaz, you can be relatively happy :p
carmine cobalt
So then i know what i will get :D
burnt warren
anyone got the ignore pain video meme? where a guy is eating chilli or some other spicy food and shouting ignore pain?
found it
astral swan
any big changes to tanking tacts from normal to hc in antorus?
unborn island
You'll probably have to tank an add on Kin'garoth, and Varimathras cleaves. Coven is a clusterfuck ๐
timid jay
Only big changes I can think of at the top of my head are positioning requirements for tanks on varimathras and you dont drop stacks on last phase argus
unborn island
otherwise, everything just hits harder
astral swan
will it hit harder than tanking both dogs from 50-0% in normal?
unborn island
nope.
astral swan
ok, then my gear should be fine
unborn island
if you can do that, nothing in heroic will kill you
apart from probably last phase argus, but you're just about supposed to die there
astral swan
just stay alive longest possible?
unborn island
aye
unborn island
you need to stand within 8 yards of the other tank, but off to the side so you don't get hit by the cleave from the swipe
otherwise you get misery on both of you and wipe
think there was a picture in the pins
undone sun
In the antorus tank notes
astral swan
great, ill check it out. sounds like it will be my pug nightmare chat wise if i fuck up that
thanks for the tips/help
unborn island
easiest way to do it is make sure you do the pull, then it's the other tank's responsibility to make sure they're in the right place
as long as youre slightly off to one side you shuold be fine
Coven, if you don't use a CD the fire lady will 1 shot you on the third fiery strike. also you neeed to move to the safe spots on the ground during 'stom of darkness'
unborn island
coven is a massive clusterfuck on heroic pugs because order of the abilities is RNG so you never know what overlaps you're going to get
yes
astral swan
cool
unborn island
makes it a lot easier
astral swan
yeah did that in normal, and it made it much better for both tanks and dps
unborn island
just need to be ready to take noura when she comes back down (unless your dps is good enough that you kill them before the 2nd swap, but that's somewhat unlikely)
NB, if you're tanking with a druid/pally it completely trivialises that fight, as they can remove the debuff from the ice lady
unborn island
so just take the asara when diima comes down, and keep her until noura comes back
unborn island
not sure how druids can do it, but one of the ones in my guild said he could, and he tanks, so I'd believe him
pallies can definitely do it
astral swan
neat. i started of trying to tank in there with druid, but the fun fight of having both dogs on the warrior sold me, that intense spam of ignore pain and cds was too much fun
junior igloo
Paladin - Blessing of Freedom
Monk - Tiger's Lust
DK - Wraith Walk
- some abilities can prevent the application (you only need to prevent one to let the debuff expire
unborn island
had no idea that basically all of those worked for it but we have nothing >.<
shut summit
believe avatar works to remove it as well
unborn island
apparently for druid you swap form into moonkin then back into bear
then that gets rid of it
astral swan
hah, cool
undone sun
Yup
crisp glacier
When is it advisable to transition from t20 4 + t21 2 for raiding? The rage bath is amazing...
Sitting at 953 in raiding set is hurting my eyes
warm plinth
Whenever you don't need the survivability from the combo
crisp glacier
I mean, with the combo have tanked up to ten sweeping scythes on heroic. I just wasn't sure if there was an item level outside of getting mythic tier that was the break point
Why wouldn't I want survivability all day unless I'm parsing
And my t20 is mythic
ionic fern
I mean..why would you want more survivability than what you need for current content when you could benefit to your raiding team with DPS instead.
dusky summit
also pretty sure high lvl t21 4p outscales t20/t21 combo
astral crystal
is there a breakpoint for survivability on m argus? ๐
opaque pewter
Warrior tanks what are they like for heroic/ mythic raiding and m+ ?
fleet galleon
If you're asking whether they're good or not, they are. Not as much utility as some other tanks but very good damage if played well. And spell reflect can be really useful to cheese some abilities
unborn island
In terms of M+, we are basically rubbish at really high keys (24+) compared to VDH/Pally/DK, but then again, so are druids and Monks. Played well though, we can manage to do keys up to 22/23 pretty well ( I struggled on trash a bit in 22 CoEN last week less than I expected, and that was a reasonably bad affix week for trash.)
For heroic raids we are absolutely fine, and do pretty good DPS. I can't comment for mythic because I don't do it, but a lot of the guys here do, and they're very good.
To my view, warrior tanking is a little bit like riding a motorbike - if you're crap at riding it, you'll probably die, but if you're good, you're going to be
awesome.
crisp glacier
I know high enough ilvl T21 will outscale tier combo. It's specifically why I asked the question. What are people's experience with changing over? is it mythic t21 loot or significant heroic titanforging?
unborn island
personally - I never used the tier combo because I got really lucky forges on cape + head in the first 2 weeks of Antorus before I got any T21. I think my usual for scythes is 9/10 and I use 2p 21 with gloves and usually another offensive legendary. So I don't think you'll get a massive decrease. but I'd say like 960 ish off pieces/new tier would be equivalent but with higher DPS.
crisp glacier
Thanks @unborn island
elder dagger
Hey, I recently boosted my warrior and have been tanking m+ frequently, how do you guys deal with fights like medivh where they cast instead of autoing you?
unborn island
Spellreflect arcane missiles
also when medivh is kicked he does do some autos I believe
otherwise, just try and manage your rage as well as possible
but spellreflecting arcane missiles does a boatload of damage to the boss, and means your damage taken will be very late
dusky summit
medievh is probably the easiest fight for us lol, with legendary legs, you can cheese all the missles
fleet galleon
May not have legs given he just boosted the character but a good interrupt rotation is key on Medivh.
And yeah, reflect the missiles that you can of course. Helps a ton.
vale spruce
question as i just came back to wow does inspiring presence if you have two warrior do they stack for the group?
west kayak
No
vale spruce
so if you ahve two warrior one should switch off it
west kayak
Aye, Safeguard is a good choice.
vale spruce
Thank you so much ๐
untold moth
What would you say about the current state of warrior tanks? I just started mythic progression, killed the first two bosses fairly easily and had to problems with them regarding damage taken. However, I feel like I'm sacrificing too much DPS to stay alive sometimes.
rich swallow
i think we are middle of the pack, druids are a bit low on the single target. For example, look at the dps logs for all tanks comparative for each fight
old zephyr
On a reroll that is looking to do antorus hรฉro progress, is it worth thรฉ trouble to go and farm t20,
sick sentinel
demon hunter tanks and prot warriors generaly really good in dps
compared to other tanks at least
junior igloo
@crisp glacier
The combo is decreasing your healing required.
It does not increase your EHP.
So, for example, for tanking high stacks sweeping scythes it's pretty bad, you could do more with other setups.
Whether you need to increase your IP/self healing or your EHP or even your damage depends on what content you do.
west kayak
@untold moth Awesome name by the way. Tiger tank Type B (2).
untold moth
Thanks man
rich swallow
@untold moth warcraftlogs are down right now, but take a look at each fight and look at what each person is doing to maximize their damage, properly using BC and DS helps
old zephyr
My guild is currently 8/11 hc i would most likely confirm kills and try tous down the Last 3
With ร bdk as cotank and druid/hpriest for healers
rich swallow
@old zephyr i would if i were you, 4pc T20 is very strong. Make sure to look at the pins in this channel
old zephyr
They'e already been very helpful =)
rich swallow
moving out of T20 and fully into T21 really is only beneficial when you get mythic tier level gear
its debatable, but just my opinion ^
old zephyr
Well nm t20, hc t20 or Mythic t20 ?
rich swallow
depens on if you can find a group for mythic, but thats what i would go for
old zephyr
Would I be able to do it at 930ish ilvl without set ?
stark sage
lots of mastery
old zephyr
I suppose the artifact ability is nothing of big use for you =)
astral crystal
jaysus that mastery
potent hedge
I have big issues with tanking Hc Antorus, can someone awnser a few of my questions?
iron pecan
I'll give it a shot, what's up
potent hedge
So first of all, tanking nhc was super easy, but i struggle in hc, i have 943 itemlvl, 20% crit, 30% haste, 50% mastery and only 6% versa, especially Hasabel hits me SO hard i feel extremly stressed out surving its a shit experience right now
iron pecan
Hitting you hard as generic melee damage or the dot that she stacks?
potent hedge
melee dmg is fine but i cant handle the dot when at 3 stacks i need to hit my big cds one after another
and i usually go up to 3 stacks
iron pecan
Are you switching at 2 and sometimes run into 3 when the portal phases are going on? Or are you switching at 3?
potent hedge
switching at 2, only goes to 3 when portal phase
hollow gorge
Putting more dps in portals would help or cheese and 3 tank it
iron pecan
It is pretty heavy damage at three especially when the raid splits. The portals sound like they need to go down a little faster
Yeah the 3 tank strat has been thrown around and deff makes life easier
stark sage
you should be able to survive if you are playing well, are you wasting rage at all? and you have devastator i hope
sick sentinel
2 tank is perfectly fien tho
stark sage
right legendaries too?
iron pecan
Manno/Ring is a great combo for healing yourself
Especially when that dot damage is coming in like that
potent hedge
i have belt/prydaz/sephuz/Legs/Hands, but with using the T204p and 1 piece missing from T212p i use Belt+Prydaz
stark sage
so no wrists
potent hedge
sadly
iron pecan
The wrists are a game changer sadly
stark sage
you want to equip hands probably
potent hedge
i lose t20 4set using hands
stark sage
hmm t20 4set is kinda meh without the t21 2set
iron pecan
Yeah you're not sitting in the rage express lane without t21 2 set
I say try replacing pry with hands for more rage
Belt seems ok since you'll be tclapping the adds
And use a stam flask if you need to. That extra health might be the ticket for you at this time
stark sage
also your group could maybe spare an extra healer to stay with you
the platform damage is pretty light
up top
potent hedge
i use stam flask already, my concern is i think the healers are not that great, ofc i am not playing that well since i just started last week but i know for sure they could be better, therefore i want to improve as much as possible so i dont have to rely on them
but as main heal i can tell they are not that great
stark sage
once you get wrists you dont have to rely on good healers anymore
but until then calling for external CDs and such will probably make the difference
iron pecan
When you get wrists, you are the healer
stark sage
oof
iron pecan
With the right set up you'll be the lowest on damage taken and the highest on healing while midpack of the dps
potent hedge
high command is like, my hp doesnt even move
iron pecan
Prot warrior is life
potent hedge
but its very stressing
stark sage
thats what i like about protwar this expac, if you play well you are a god, but it is high apm and you have to be paying attention
potent hedge
Ty that was already great help, i cant really swap a lot of gear yet, but should i go for more versa if i can even if i have to sac haste/mastery?
like 8% is not much
my trinkets are shit too ๐
no luck at all
is the pantheon trinket any good?
fleet galleon
Yeah
stark sage
you want ilvl
dont worry about secondary stats if its like 10+ ilvl upgrade
str/stam/armor are too strong
potent hedge
well need to get gear first ^^ can think about stats later right ๐
ty 4 the help guys, prob gonna come back soon when i need some more help ๐
limpid lodge
Hey guys quick question, I'm normally fury but have been tanking on and off as my guild needs me. I have a 910 arcano, darkmoon card at 900 and khaz courage at 995. am i better off using the Khaz courage for the added strength/IP size while tanking heroic raids or stick to arcano/darkmoon
limpid lodge
5000 strength vs 1021 of every secondary
i have a 910 carapace and a 930 cosmic sliver... was thinking about pairing t21 with walls fell and the sliver also
supple path
I like khaz, the ilvl is crazy and proc is non-zero value add.
But good luck getting an objective math-based answer.
ember arrow
@limpid lodge dps pantheon dmg/proc is halved for tanks
sick sentinel
but to answer your question its jewelcrafter
junior ivy
i always forgetr general exists
jade socket
go into reader mode
snow walrus
Whereโs that at
ember arrow
i thoguht it was supposed to be a meme
sudden pilot
Hello, we have a warrior main tank but is wearing dumpster gear at 950 i lvl. Do warriors really need to cling onto that low lvl tier 20 or swap to tier 21/a 965-970 i lvl?
ember arrow
firstly, what does it matter, if hes comfortable with it
secondly, tier 20/21 combo is bis defensively for cdr on def abilities
if he doenst need that much surv anymore, then t21 is better choice
if he got mythic level t21 gear, that shud be equipped
sudden pilot
he gets one shot sometimes by random crap, having 7m hp is terrible
sudden pilot
Last night was kin'garoth, wiping to him taking 2 swings
ember arrow
ofc u dont take 2 swings
since when is that a thing
he can easily take it if need be
LS + IP +DS shud be easily enough
ember arrow
not much we can do about that
brave halo
Just got Kakushan's boys!
ember arrow
if he has t20 set he has SW up every 1min and LS too
if he isnt using it then hes essentially equipping t20 for no reason
sudden pilot
It sounds like he needs to be better
brave halo
Why is Kakushan considered not as good for survivability as Soul? The extra rage = more IPs, just like Soul (via Vengeance)
ember arrow
it is with t21
west kayak
T21 you dont want to use Soul.
ember arrow
without t21 and with vengeance, the soul ring healed u for 90 rage whenn weaving revenge/IP
while having that cost 40-59 rage
wrists healed u as if u spent 90 rage rather
but in reality u spent 40-59
@brave halo with t21 vengeance isnt used, because there is no time to weave with the SS spam
ember arrow
it is correct if u dont have t21
brave halo
But what #2 legendary should I use for Survivability Antorus, Surv M+, Balanced Antorus and Balanced M+?
ember arrow
wrists/TWF for more SW
if u need otherwise wrists/gloves
balanced means one of leggos is def one, and that has to be wrists
old zephyr
how good is the quest ring vs the talent ring?
ember arrow
on PK and Imonar
otherwie wrists/gloves t21 2p
quest ring is pretty bad unless u got good t2 traits
3 torment the weak traits is pmuch best dps possible
old zephyr
RN i only got 3 legs : Quest, Talent and TWF (all rings ๐ )
ember arrow
do u have good t2 traits?
old zephyr
I currently got light speed, murderous intent and dark sorows
ember arrow
u got t21 2p?
ember arrow
then equip TWF/talent ring
and use quest/TWF after u get t21 2p
till u get other legendaries
wild sandal
for immonar progression u would recommend 6pc over t21 ?
ember arrow
u got TWF ring
ember arrow
to be safe id do it
use LS/SW on cd
literally
especially on sever part of bridge
if u dont stack DS/LS/SW u always got somethign up
during shock lance cast use SB
that way 1 SB charge takes 2 of em
wild sandal
ok, thank you
ember arrow
shocklance parts are relatively low dmg intake
if u got 2 sever stacks + mines
that hurts
dark junco
Is tehre a tricks for Hyrja in High HoV ?
stiff gate
Yeah but itโs hard to get it to work consistently in my experience
stiff gate
Yeah
Itโs shitty and doesnโt seem to always work
Better to just hope you have Prydaz/battle rezzes available and a good comp that can press bear form or feint
brave halo
I know it's probably not but... is this any good for M+? http://www.wowhead.com/item=139324/goblet-of-nightmarish-ichor&bonus=1532:1807
ember arrow
ehhhhhh
brave halo
Looks like about 3.5% DR on proc, and it can stack
strong hill
I used to use it when it was current.
strong hill
It has/had a pretty good uptime. But you would probably get more use from the dark moon deck
brave halo
nod I appreciate it
ember arrow
random vers proc u can use pantheon if u have it
strong hill
^
brave halo
I have (for me) DMDI at about +4.34% Physical Damage Reduction, so that's probably better
ember arrow
constant mind u
brave halo
Yeah
How important is it that my actual Dodge/Parry % match my character sheet Dodge/Parry %?
Even when I make sure I'm not getting hit in the back, it seems lower (especially Dodge)
ember arrow
what do u mean?
brave halo
Even on trash
brave halo
For example, I have 24% Parry, 3% Dodge
brave halo
But a lot of time I see 1% Dodge and 17-21% Parry on my Recount
ember arrow
u cnat dodge level 111 attacks
brave halo
I haven't tanked since the Defense stat was a thing, so I'm not sure how diminishing returns and level differences work now haha
strong hill
I donโt think it is the same as it used to be if that is what you Are worried about.
I too remember the defense stat and keeping your dodge and parry numbers close together
brave halo
Off-topic: if you had to reroll a new non-Warrior tank, what class would you pick?
Just curious what your perspectives are ๐
sturdy sable
Brewmaster
ripe cypress
And more healing than healers :^)
sturdy sable
Drinks for days bro
ripe cypress
Fair point mate
I take back My previous statement Id go brewmaster on second thought
round hornet
Would gear up a dh because they seem to do so much dps as tank
strong hill
Probably Druid. If I didnโt like tanking I could try healing or a range dps spec or a melee dps spec
junior ivy
warrior is only tank spec worth playing
ember arrow
Kappa
runic fjord
Prot War / Brewmaster all day
junior ivy
nice job. i need a dht 18
ember arrow
- รรฏ 153.93M (136947.0, 23.4%)
- Infi 147.20M (130268.7, 22.3%)
- Dramalaama 146.76M (130110.2, 22.3%)
- Levko 135.48M (118116.5, 20.6%)
damage taken
round hornet
what pugging sub-20 keys happens all the time lol @runic fjord
ember arrow
@round hornet are we playing same game?
u can pug them
doenst mean ppl that play have a working brain
or arms
runic fjord
^
ember arrow
noone died ad dresaron or xavius
runic fjord
the average pug is a boosted monkey with one arm and he's prioritizing jacking off instead of doing his job
ember arrow
thas a feat for pugs
round hornet
if u invite someone based on more than ilvl it helps ya find puggers who aren't retards
junior ivy
i almsot never get good pugs
ember arrow
cmon man
junior ivy
and theres like this catch 22, where if a pug accepts me, they m,sut not be very good
ember arrow
m+ score still play retards
junior ivy
becuase if they were good they would decline me
so when i do get accepted into a pug, im like well it must nmot be a good one
lol
round hornet
I usually look for mythic logs too :X
round hornet
I know, but someone with decent public M logs and a decent m+ score is usually fine
ember arrow
the fact u killed portak keepr mythic doesnt say shit if u gonna do this +23 well
basically
runic fjord
tbh the best groups i've ever had
are when i listed shit like "what's your favorite blacksploitation movie" in the desc
and invited based on that
junior ivy
NIMMOCK ME TOO when i make a 'chill group, no pressure'
it goes so much better
or when i put 'gnomes preferred' and purposelly accept mostly gnomes
pretty soon my sister is gonna hyave a highger m+ score than me
and that makes me sad
i worked so hard
ember arrow
Skada: DPS for Warlord Parjesh (2): 22:16 (4 Min 49 Sec):
- Aconame 1.58M
- รรฏ 1.36M
- Layercake 1.10M
- Levko 900.3K
- Tenori 105.7K
and then this shit happens
eoa 20 obviously wont happen
5 monutes he was at 20%
stark sage
oof
desert pond
935 intolerance-shadowbind-thunder crash or 945 intolerance-darksorrows-dragonskin or 945 intolerance-lightsembrace-shatterthebones
the ilvl difference is 3
gloomy light
My guild is down a tank that was replacing me from december
should I go back to raiding?
Is antorus fun from the tank standpoint?
@shut summit
long bronze
Zed all 3 of those are pretty bad
but prob the dragon skin one for defensive value
damn lev how didn't you run out of room haha
misty charm
Guys how vailable is it for M+ to take never surrender or indomitable?
desert pond
lol thats all i got, i dont tank often
calm cove
desert pond
dont have many blood relics
long bronze
take dev always man
stark sage
didnt it see some play in mythic guldan progression
long bronze
not exactly relevant lol
stark sage
๐
gloomy light
@calm cove is antorus fun from a tank standpoint
calm cove
its better than ToS
long bronze
if you exclude hounds lol
calm cove
I swapped to dps in ToS but the tank that filled in for me quit on KJ so I had to tank again
long bronze
one day I too hope to live the super saiyan dps dream
round hornet
sounds like you get to skip the boring bosses and go straight to the ones that hit hard ๐
gloomy light
I mean I don't really know If I wanna raid
I got AotC on my mage already
my plan for the expansion was every aotc
long bronze
are you looking for someone to tell you that you do want to raid? lol
gloomy light
and I got all of em
deep kelp
guys in the tank notes for hounds of sargeras there is this note "The boss cleave, the damage from shadow orb are mitigated with avoidance"
is he talking about the 25yards cone cleave too:
?
deep kelp
i know but i would like to know if we can use avoidance to reduce the damage from the claw cleave skill
long bronze
uh
deep kelp
that is the sentence : The boss cleave, the damage from shadow orb are mitigated with avoidance
this*
long bronze
Yeah
their cleave is called burning maw and corrupting maw
which is blockable
which you said you already know so
calm cove
avoidance is a stat
long bronze
oh durp
deep kelp
yep talking about the stat
calm cove
it should work on anything that does dmg in an area
I doubt anyone checked for everything tho
deep kelp
im trying to figure out if the cleave he is talking about is the smoldering/corrupting maw
since english is not my first language its hard to tell
long bronze
that's their only cleave so probably
deep kelp
thanks guys
calm cove
the shadow orb
is the ball
and it would make sense its affected by avoidance since it also does dmg in an area
long bronze
and the eruptions (channeled aoe the bosses cast)
round hornet
farm mobs like a chinese goldfarmer back in the day
latent wasp
I know it's been beaten to death for a lot. BUT starting to do mythic tanking and have the 4p20/2p21 : ilevel 950. I heard that change with doing mythic. I get my ilevel to 957 with 4p21. Should I wait till I get mythic pieces or switch now to do the content?
wow english hard... sorry
sick sentinel
switch when you dont need the survivability
i personally plan on changing once i get my last 960 piece i need
elder tusk
Losing that rage from berserker rage is sad at first... but it's really nice to get those 2 slots back
onyx umbra
novel mist
how many ilvls is the Bota and dragonskin traits worth?
novel mist
oh alright thanks
ember arrow
wait what is bota
final mist
novel mist
ahh ya mb new to warrior wouldnt know XD
glacial sage
Mostly I see it as BoA
glossy bramble
does khazgoroth's trinket work normally for prot?
i just started tanking again so I've been using it for str while i update my gear
glossy bramble
ight, thats what i had guessed
ember arrow
its still decent as a strength stat stick
glossy bramble
how does smoldering titanguard stack up? I'm currently using coagulated nightwell residue (name?) and khaz, just got titanguard today and gonna replace khaz with that next time i tank
hallow phoenix
The biggest advantage of titanguard is that you look good when it's used
ember arrow
@glossy bramble nightwell residue bad trinket
literally most trinks are better than that
glossy bramble
i have khaz and cof because ive been playing exclusively fury like since mid tos
ember arrow
thats it?
ember arrow
no dungeon dps trinks?
glossy bramble
no
ember arrow
or pre NH ones?
glossy bramble
nope
glossy bramble
yeah im just dealing with what i have for now
hallow phoenix
In Vault of the Wardens do the imps right before the imp mother give bolstering?
ember arrow
no
glossy bramble
dont even have 2 rings >> using the class ring while I have thundergods and kakushans because I only have 1 ring that isnt a lego
ember arrow
imp mother only bolsters them 1 stack if she dies
hallow phoenix
thank god
ember arrow
cant be done anymore im pretty sure
u were scaled to ilvl 680(?) and had to do dungeons in a certain time
depending on how fast u did em, u got rewards
undone sun
They were pretty much what M+ are now
grave grove
people did them for the xmogs
junior ivy
oh, okay
what addon is that
is it just elvui?
im starting to recogfnize the look of elvui
undone sun
Yeah, elvui
junior ivy
omg aggramar raid finder
doesnt do foe breaker?
lol
he just flame rends 4 times in a row wtf
undone sun
Yup
junior ivy
i died cause i was super confused
flame rend happened and i was expecting foe breaker next
glacial sage
you're out gearing that raid group
burnt flare
yeah lmao lfr argus
ember arrow
xd
warm plinth
Havoc?
junior ivy
vengeance
warm plinth
Hm, idk
strong hill
Itโs not lfr unless you wipe once
long bronze
will get hotfixed asap
warm plinth
It still has the 2 min CD though doesn't it? Just doesn't say it does?
long bronze
yup
undone sun
Pretty sure it does
warm plinth
I really can't see them waiting days to fix something like that
undone sun
long bronze
tfw group is bad so I get legendary 99 damage parse and 98 healing parse on eonar lel
clever cliff
Hi, guys. Does anybody know how much damage reduction does Shield Block have?
clever cliff
Thanks a lot!
long bronze
975 shoulders off heroic imonar boiis
prisma crane
@ember arrow 38-44 and 76-88* a single WQ will give enough AP to give the 38/76 base value
ionic wasp
Is mannoroth/soul lego combo still good if you don't have the 4 pc t20 set yet? Or is there a better option?
prisma crane
soul isnt used with T21
just spec BV and drop vengeance, it doesnt work as well since you cant weave during SS spam during BC windows
bracers and gloves if you arent running 4p2p
bracers and TWF if you are
languid rose
wrists?
prisma crane
TWF or belt
languid rose
oh wait you mentioned wrists
ionic wasp
yeah I have wrists
I just need a good combo while i get my 2p
for t21
would TWF be fine even without the 2p? or maybe something like AHR
undone sun
Soul is fine without t21, krotos just said with
ionic wasp
Alright, I was wondering since I've been using that combo since TOS and I haven't really seen much about it going into antorus
so I wasn't sure if it's still viable or not
undone sun
T20 hasn't been nerfed, no reason for it to change
empty flax
Does mastery also increase ur maximum ignore pain ?
undone sun
Technically, yes
undone sun
Mastery increase attack power, ignore pain scales off of AP and verse
boreal ember
Noob tank here main fury for this alt but having to tank here and there anyone able to give some personal recommendations?
mostly regarding legendary choices
empty flax
Scales off strength too right ?
long bronze
what legos do you have Ice
boreal ember
For tanking my man i got prydaz bracers talent ring and the meme destiny driver as well as sephuz/aggramar
everything else it fury/arms
boreal ember
I have read threw the guide that soul would be replaced my belt/gloves how on earth would I medigate damage quick enough
i do have 2pc of current tier but SUPER Low previous tier
long bronze
both diimas and apoc are great trinkets
long bronze
archi is meh expecially because other trinkets are so strong
boreal ember
aside from that then I am sure I am set on trinkets
long bronze
I don't understand your question about lego replacement and metigation
can you clarify?
boreal ember
a lot of haste/mastery peices a few mediocore crit haste ones
Like
I find it hard to keep up IP
whenever i do tank
long bronze
so haste and mastery are your two best stats