protection

[ember arrow]

indom warr

lsoes aggro

5 ilvls above me

500k

[cosmic cargo]

idom

[ember arrow]

more hp is better

he says

[cosmic cargo]

is one of his trinkets also eye of shatug?

[ember arrow]

YEs

and KJ one

howd u know

[cosmic cargo]

the good ol' bad tank package

[ember arrow]

at least he got AM

[cosmic cargo]

eye of shatug best raid trinket, gives stamina, right?

[ember arrow]

niiice

he taunts aggramars foebreaker away from me to raid

👏

[timid jay]

Raid needs more HP

obviously

[ember arrow]

or consist of 20 prot warriors

[sick sentinel]

^

[ember arrow]

imagine all using artifact

for second foe breaker

glorious

[junior ivy]

i hate m+s so muc hthis week

[ember arrow]

step 1: does ur group consist of 2 boomkins and a hunter

step 2: if not, apply step 1

[junior ivy]

toolk me 3 hours and 3 different dungeons to get a =15 last night

im done for the week of m+_

[ember arrow]

3 hours for 15

wat

i leave if they die on a boss

on 1 +15 thats pathetic and not worth the time

[junior ivy]

first had maw 15. was going really smoothly. but i got stuck in the cage adftr the first boss

so we couldnt finish

[ember arrow]

did u relog?

that fixes it

[junior ivy]

i reloaded twice but didnt relog, didnt know it fixed it

after waiting like 10 mins the dpsers left

[ember arrow]

.....................

[junior ivy]

thyen i was in cos 17, a little rocky, but we woulda finished close to the 1 chest timer

[ember arrow]

ofc u went to google

and typed

[junior ivy]

but a dps left at second boss

[ember arrow]

stuck in cage mos

fix

right?

[junior ivy]

no i asked on here though 😦

then i was in brh 15. and we finished like 30 mins past timer.

[ember arrow]

what happened there

[junior ivy]

group kinda sucks butr theyre friendly and fun to run with

we ge to first boss

as usual, after soul burst im the only one left alive

big surprise right?

but i manage to do okay soloing him, i go on for almost 7 minutes soloing him with ease., health never drops below 95%

[ember arrow]

no class gets oneshot on +!5

[junior ivy]

then i get knocked into his aoe when hes at 1% health

[ember arrow]

if they use def cd

[junior ivy]

and die instantly

[ember arrow]

u used SR be4 his cast went off

to half dmg

and cds

right?

[junior ivy]

i survived soul burst just fine

dunno what the rest of the group did

[ember arrow]

the cleave at the end

[junior ivy]

no i mnea you know when he makes half the floor blue?

its easy to avoid

but i got knocked into it when he was at 1% health

and was one shotted

[ember arrow]

so u ran into the scythes

[junior ivy]

it was just bad positioning

and timing

[ember arrow]

yes

[junior ivy]

i was doing so good soloing him

[ember arrow]

very

that boss is a target dummy

[junior ivy]

😦

and we wiped a few times oin last boss

but still finished

at like 2:30am

[ember arrow]

on his shadow bolt volley?

[junior ivy]

yeah lol

i kept being the only one to survive

[ember arrow]

then those 4 players mioght be without arms

if they die to that multiple times

[junior ivy]

hahaha one was my sister...

but yeha the group just wasnt very good

whenever my sister is top dps i get concerned

[ember arrow]

depends what dps

🤔

i did brh 23 last week

oneshot all bosses

3.5mil highest dps overall

3.2mil lowest

[junior ivy]

thats good dps

[ember arrow]

i did 1.5

[junior ivy]

hers is like 1.2 -1.5mil single target

thats why i get scared when shes top dps

[ember arrow]

is that burst or sustained

[junior ivy]

sustained i guess

shes higher at first

[ember arrow]

thats pretty good tbh

[junior ivy]

but she ends at like that amount

[ember arrow]

what ilvl

[junior ivy]

shes a ret pally

955

[ember arrow]

its not super high but pretty good

id say

[junior ivy]

and she has one awful trinket. i think she could be good once i get her vari trinket

[ember arrow]

sustained that is

[junior ivy]

last night was just worst luck in wow lol

my guild did a raid, just had one boss to do. argus heroic

gave up after an hour and a half.

literally just called it and everyone logged off

[ember arrow]

oh boy

[junior ivy]

cause we couldnt get him down

we have already killed him tiwce on heroic

me 3 times..

[ember arrow]

tank issue, healer dps

or all

[junior ivy]

mechanics issues

uusally we'd lose like 3 people in p1

people wouldnt take big bomb to the right place

etc

[ember arrow]

how

he casts CONE OF DEATH

for 3 seconds

[junior ivy]

soul blight or just gettiung hit by cone

we were missing our toip dps

we didnt think itd be such a big deal to run without him

but it waslol

[ember arrow]

no it wasnt

if 3 ppl duie at start

doesnt matter if hes there or not

unless he does dmg equal to 3 people

then u gota problem

did u at least get to last phase?

[junior ivy]

no

never

lol

we only made it to add phase once

[ember arrow]

oh boiiii

??

i cant even imagine

[junior ivy]

lol

[ember arrow]

thats like

a terrible pug

[junior ivy]

people were getting frustrated and not giving theoir best

we had a few pugs in the group

they wiped us few of the times

it was valentines day so a lot of people couldnt make it to raid

[ember arrow]

did people watch VIDEOS

GUIDES

win wink

[junior ivy]

lol weve kileld him before!

we even one shotted him last week!

im gonna tyr and pug him now ugh

[ember arrow]

i kinda took break from mythic for a while, and in a social guild

"Levko wanna progress hc"

no thankss

[turbid horizon]

lol

[ember arrow]

i rather put glass shards under my nails

[turbid horizon]

would rather put a splinter under my toe nail and kick a wall

[ember arrow]

i got tired of mythic

wipe wipe wipe

not tanks fault 99%

bored me to death

and then dont get anything

at least if u farm hc, u may also not get anything

but then u dont progreess for that 6 hours

[turbid horizon]

We only do 3x3 but it's still dull as fuck

I dps since we have a blood dk and brm that can't do anything else, but 90% of the wipes are a healer missing a cooldown or some remtards running into avoidable damage and dying

Imonar is... horrific

[turbid horizon]

3 tanking imonar? wut

[junior ivy]

i hate argus pugs i get yelled at for not taunting boss back immediately even tho sou lbomb is coming in 5 seconds

and im the one who has to absorb it

[hybrid falcon]

hey guys any tips on how to predict where exactly shadow of varimathras spawns on the tank? it feels random where EXACTLY it spawns every time

[timid jay]

@prisma crane @ember arrow
Aggramar Foe Breaker Sköldkast 14578392 (A: 6247882) (B: 152726014)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/93Whjv8RqayPFrJH#boss=2063&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-taken&source=1&start=9663331&end=9708653&view=events

152M

easy

[ember arrow]

👌

[sick sentinel]

did vari mythic prog yesterday for first time

shit is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

take no damage with SR legs

while doing good dps

Why am i only getting aggro when i taunt

I cant hold it with normal rotation

[timid jay]

... are you playing indom?

[junior igloo]

After taunting, you have a temporary buff boosting your threat generation a lot.
That lets you build a decent threat lead and it would take very long for a similarly (slightly higher) performing to take over.
You also have to pass 110 % of the current tank threat to overaggro, which gives you another 10 % leeway.

On top of that, many tanks (warrior included) get some extra resources out of getting hit letting them hit back harder and generate more threat when they are actively tanking.

Oh I misunderstood probably. Well you need more dps = threat if you can't hold aggro.
Post logs if you want a more specific advice

[median jolt]

t20 4p and t21 2p is always the strongest setup for survival in raids right?

[sick sentinel]

i have the problem of ripping tank aggro easily

[median jolt]

only play my warrior a tiny bit and i got t20 in 930+ ilvl

or do you reckon its safe enough to tank mythic without t20 4p?

[sick sentinel]

you can tank without t20 4p easily

i play with 930 t20 though

if ilvl gain is so huge without using 4pc t20 i would go for ilvl

but if you like 940 or 950ish ilvl just use t20 since you have em 930+ anyway

[median jolt]

ive had some 960 off pieces in my bags for a while

[sick sentinel]

i stopped using 4pc t20 after 955ish ilvl

and stopped using 2pc t20 after 960ish ilvl

and try to get 2pc t21 its really good 4pc is also good but 2pc is a must

[median jolt]

ye i got t21 2p

ive only tanked m+ with my warrior this patch but with argus dead a while ago i want to eventually bring my other tanks there aswell

just for completion's sake 😛

[sick sentinel]

2p2p is good for dps

[median jolt]

could keep shoulders and chest on then i guess

they are 945 and 950

[sick sentinel]

2p2pc is good but for m+ and also for heroic raids im using 2pc only with highest ilvl

2p2p is good but not like amazing

i like parsing high, how easily achieveable is that with t21 4p compared to 2p2p

[unborn island]

I'd imagine just as easy, if not easier

Due to the fact that the extra strength probably offsets the bonus rage

[sick sentinel]

interesting

ill just need to get mythic tier legs and then i might switch ove

[copper ridge]

I read the disc about trinkets, but ....apocalypse drive.its really good on a single big add not multiple adds. So a bosses melee.

[unborn island]

Boss melee is too slow, on trash it's essentially an 'immune to melee damage' cool down

IIRC

might be thinking of something else

[sick sentinel]

I left that t20 2p behind me too...t21 2p+ilvl for dps 968 tho. Dont even miss it

[unborn island]

seems I am wrong, my B 😦

[copper ridge]

Also I have titan guard 930, glacial 940, and horn of valor 955...Any pointers ?

[unborn island]

what content?

If you have the tank trinket from Argus, I use that and Diima's (glacial) for M+, does me fine up to 21s

[copper ridge]

945 glacial*

[unborn island]

Titanguard is situational, where it's good, it's amazing, but those situations are rare

I'd say the same for horn, it's amazing for burst in some situations, Kin'Garoth/Eonar

[dusky summit]

Horn is dependent on how long a fight is

same with avatar, but horn + avatar is insane

[copper ridge]

Okay cool
An yea I thought Argus trinket was shitty ? Unless it's the leg one

[unborn island]

No, it's really good. Basically it's a buttload of str with a massive verse proc

[dusky summit]

the argus proc is insanely trash though

feels bad

[timid jay]

Its not insanely trash, but its not very strong

The extra max health is decent

[unborn island]

Agree the pantheon proc is crap, but the verse side is good

[dusky summit]

I don't see myself ever needing it

[timid jay]

Can be good sometimes if you mess up or just get chunked, its unlikely to save you but extra EHP is always nice

[west kayak]

The uptime on the Vers proc is nice

[timid jay]

But yeah, its not really a good proc compared to others

[dusky summit]

yeh even in M antorus, nothing really chunks that hard

but wish it gav elike

armor or something

:/

[unborn island]

And when it procs with concordance it's like having shield wall up

[copper ridge]

Okay cool, thanks just getting into tank 👌

[bright mortar]

Is Sephuz any good in M+ ? Like smaller M+ where you can basically run with full dps gear ?

[west kayak]

Sephuz is great on trash and the bosses you can interrupt.

[bright mortar]

That's 3,8k crit, wich is quite useless at this point isn't it ?

[west kayak]

It is, but if you can get it to proc when its ready it is worth it.

[bright mortar]

M'kay, thank you, I'll try it out on Eonar with Warbringer

[west kayak]

I pulled 1.3mil dps that fight with Sephuz and Chrono. 😃

[vast sedge]

Eonar dps gachiBASS

[bright mortar]

When both proc it must be so satisfying

Basically having the effect of lust ? xd

[west kayak]

It is, with a movement speed boost. Gets from pack to pack very quickly.

[sick sentinel]

im using sephuz when im pulling really big packs with small hp pool adds

so you just proc sephuz and kill those adds under 10 secs

you can do good burst with that

like in eoa little blobs and crabs you pull em and proc sephuz its good burst with haste

[polar wave]

I keep hearing that Gorshalac's Legacy is good for prot warriors, and I can't get it to fire more than twice per fight in Antorus. Am I doing something wrong?

[west kayak]

The proc chance is greatly reduced for Prot.

DPS gets around 10 PPM +Haste, Tanks get half of that.

[sick sentinel]

you might be heard that wrong because glaives and diimas and some other dps trinkets you can get is way better than that

didnt use that but its not really amazing for dps anyway

so i think it should be even worse for tanks

[west kayak]

Diima's is tank. Glaives just do an incredible amount of damage to mob packs.

[sick sentinel]

diimas burst damage is great also

[junior ivy]

dimas does dps?

[sick sentinel]

yes its damage gets buffed by crit shout and %10 damage if im not mistaken

so right now my 950 version deals like 2m per target

great if you are doing huge pulls

and it slows like %70 also helps kiting if needed

[junior ivy]

omg so i sohuld use it as dps not defensive?

[sick sentinel]

well you can use it both ways

There is smth. called diimas droppin?🤔 RUMORS!

im using diimas in argus heroic at p1 p2 and p3 just using it for dps with BC window

but at least phase im keeping it after 10 stacks

so it helps me with scythes

[copper ridge]

It's there anything out there for knowing what is magic or physical/melee , or should I just study dj and play

[ember arrow]

[copper ridge]

It's there anything out there for knowing what is magic or physical/melee , or should I just study dj and play

[ember arrow]

Spell Reflection/Blockable Damage Sheet: https://goo.gl/xtfCfX

[sick sentinel]

freaking ugly but ill go through the pain of coven pug rekills for coins this ID

[ember arrow]

lol

[sick sentinel]

Any scrollin combat text addons u could recommend? or how is ur setup?

Need to get that stuff rollin

[mortal dust]

is devastator still good or is it no Indomitable?

now*

[timid jay]

Always devastator

[sick sentinel]

Always devastor, no matter what

[mortal dust]

Figures because i see a lot of Mythic raiders using indomitable now.

[sick sentinel]

Its usable as flagcarry in BGs 😁

[ember arrow]

mythic raiders indomitable?

what

[sick sentinel]

idk ..could image some ppl switch to it if they got oneshot to often in progress

[junior ivy]

@sick sentinel "nameplate scrolling combat text"

[sick sentinel]

But i doubt u find good logs with it😂

Thx @junior ivy ill check that

[junior ivy]

np ive used a few and its my favourite

[copper ridge]

Tyty

[ember arrow]

@sick sentinel no no no

if u get oneshot

u play the class wrong

there is no situation where u get oneshot while using all cds

appropriately

[sick sentinel]

Do these stats seem pretty well rounded? I saw a convo earlier saying people are dropping the 4p 2p when you get to 955-960 ilvl. And these are my stats when I only use 2p t21

[ember arrow]

they dont drop combo because of stats

they drop it because they dont need the cdr it provides anymore

or they got very high ilvl t21 pieces

[winged sage]

hey gus someone got weaauro for argus mythic phase scyths ?

[sick sentinel]

Your stats are pretty good Blindfire

Block should be higher thi

Tho*

If possible make vers higher

[stark sage]

eh haste and mastery are more useful than verse

[timid jay]

not like you can make your block higher except for stacking mastery

which you shouldnt really be doing anyway

[sick sentinel]

I made my block close to 40%

[stark sage]

but gotta get that 100% crit block

xd

[sick sentinel]

I am getting there

My guild doesnt raid mythic sadly, so no need for me to get to 100. Lol

100% crit block will make neltharions fury op

it is still good to have 100%

[stark sage]

its not realistic though

[sick sentinel]

Let's u have a 45 second cool down immunity

[stark sage]

shieldblocks too

[timid jay]

???

Nelth is already 100% crit block chance

[sick sentinel]

100% uptime on 50% dmg reduction always help

[echo grail]

why not go for whatever has the most stam? more hp = more living right?

[timid jay]

Abrodus, I dont think you know how blocking works

[sick sentinel]

I do

Blocks physical

[timid jay]

The % block in character sheet is you chance to block

[sick sentinel]

Yes

I know

[timid jay]

The base blocked damage is 30% for a normal block 60% for a crit block

[daring aspen]

you chance to block?

nice engrish

[sick sentinel]

Man I know how crit block and normal block works

[timid jay]

"100% crit block will make neltharions fury op"
and
"100% uptime on 50% dmg reduction always help"
tells me otherwise

[sick sentinel]

100% crit block means 100% dmg reduction

[timid jay]

????

no

it does not

[sick sentinel]

100% uptime meaning 100% of time there will en shield block up with 50% dmg reduction ( blocking )

[timid jay]

Shield block is not 50% damage reduction

With 7/7 bastion its 44% with normal block and 88% Dr with crit block

100% criut block would make SB 88% damage reduction

[stark sage]

aye mastery cap just means you always crit block

[vocal nimbus]

Thx kelade

[sick sentinel]

after 3 months i got tank trinket

finally im complete

[little rain]

What do people ususally charge for full heroic antorus personal loot runs? Tryna sell but I only usually operate with 15-22 key sales not raids, not sure what to charge.

[ember arrow]

idk but if ppl cant do hc antorus thats pretty pathetic

same for +15 😄

think 200k ish

that was what i saw few weeks ago in trade

but idk if it was for argus or per boss or everything (which i doubt)

[little rain]

that sounds wrong, I know we've done just argus, on server, for 200k so full off-server 200k sounds flat wrong

[junior ivy]

has anyone here done the MoP scenario achievements

im so annoyed that a lot of them cant be soloed

if anyone wants to do them lemme know

[mortal carbon]

i got a wa for aggramar mythic for foe breaker and flame rend i copied it and added empowered

but the empowered doesnt work anyone know why?

[cinder sorrel]

Should I be using Lego belt on st fights or should I switch to gloves and run 2 and 2 set?

[ember arrow]

gloves

[round hornet]

@mortal carbon I doubt anyone knows what you fucked up when you changed something

or which WA you modified for that matter

[mortal carbon]

no just wrote a wa that calls when target casts foe breaker

etc

just doesnt work for empowered spells

[left meteor]

AYYYY just dropped Kakushan's

[timid jay]

👏

[sick sentinel]

gz

[left meteor]

Last legendary for my warrior too

thanks

[eager falcon]

is the dps pantheon trinket any good?

[stark sage]

its okay, helps your raid out which is nice

lot of str on it

[stiff gate]

No, proc rate is abysmal for prot. The tanking pantheon is really good for doing damage, no reason to get the dps one.

[stark sage]

oh misread

thought you meant tank panth

[eager falcon]

I main arms and giving prot a go in a normal run

hence why I have the dps one first

[stark sage]

well if you dont have a solid stat stick or something

cuz str is prots bets stat

[eager falcon]

are there any good trinkets I could get from the relinquised tokens?

[stark sage]

yeah

depends on what you want to do with them

shivermaws is a big one

[eager falcon]

mostly def ones

[waxen raven]

do u guys get arcanocrystal easier than other specs ?

i mean with protection loot specialization

on

[tiny sphinx]

filter loot table by spec- whichever spec has least items in arcano's list is best chance

[waxen raven]

ok ty

[proper pecan]

4 t21 is good right?

[undone sun]

yeah

[proper pecan]

how does it stacks?

i mean while IP is off

[timid jay]

If you have a IP up, it just adds up to your normal cap. If you dont have IP up you get a buff that will add to your next IP you use

[proper pecan]

and that buff doesnt stack right?

[undone sun]

it does

[timid jay]

It does

[proper pecan]

how much?

[undone sun]

until IP cap iirc

[proper pecan]

oh

my

[timid jay]

Dont think theres a cap, but it wont matter even if it stacked higher than IP cap since the bonus wont ignore it

So basically its to the cap

[west kayak]

My highest IP was 8.4m. Was pretty cool to see it that high.

[proper pecan]

soudns pretty stronk

[ember arrow]

@west kayak

2 health bars

[west kayak]

Noice. I dont Mythic raid and barely have time for Heroic so I am impressed with what gear I currently have.

[modest crest]

For the prot hidden artifact appearance all I’m doing is camping outside the cave daily and walking in when I log in. That’s all I have to do right? I’ve read through the tablet in skyhold. Just want to make sure I’m not missing something

[ember arrow]

pretty much

[modest crest]

Ok thanks. I don’t mind it takin awhile. I’m on week 3 I think of daily checks but I just want to make sure I wasn’t doing something stupid

[solid mist]

is the 4pc worth sacrifing any amount of ilvl or stats for? I'm assuming not, but you all saying it's good, where it looked pretty "meh" on paper. so now I'm curious

I was using 4pc for a while, but now just have 3 equipped due to slot upgrades

[warm plinth]

@modest crest It took me 2 months, hang in there!

[modest crest]

Haha yeah it’s lame to do but I just want to make sure I wasn’t missing something. Finding updated info is hard sometimes

[warm plinth]

It looked meh on paper because on the PTR I don't believe it buffed the next IP if you didn't have one up; only the existing one. It's stronger now but idk how much ilevel it'd be worth. It's still not maximum efficacy in raids because most bosses auto every 2 seconds and the ICD of it is 1 second so you only get half the effect.

There should be a script you can use Kenteras after going into the cave just to make sure you didn't miss the emote

Just says false if you didn't get it and true if you did

I think I found it on the wowhead post for the item that gives the appearance

[timid jay]

You're right with the change to tier, but boss auto is on average 1.5 seconds 😉

[prisma crane]

@timid jay damn nice on that block!!

[ember arrow]

@timid jay ye but wit swaps

averages to 2 sec

right

[timid jay]

What

Boss autos are most of the time on a 1.5 timer

If you tank 50% of the time the "average" would be 3 seconds, but thats irrelevant

[ember arrow]

i mean in raids u swap

so u dont get autoed at all

well then 3 sec average

is even worse for t21 4p

[modest crest]

So I thought it was just a random chance to spawn for the day? I’ve heard about the script but you have to be in the cave for it to register o heard. So I just camp there and run in. I also heard that you can’t just relog a million times to trigger it, that it’s just now once a day @warm plinth

[undone sun]

🤔

[timid jay]

Its not like you need the extra IP when you arent tanking

Sure, dots on imonar/PK but they arent threatening if you arent tanking the boss at the same time

@modest crest Yeah its on a daily timer now, cant spam relogg. Theres a script you can run to check if it triggered for you, should be on wowhead for the hidden guide. Its not needed but its helpful to double check imo

[modest crest]

Ok that’s what I thought

The search continues tomorrow

[solid mist]

So. I wanna start parsing logs now that I'm starting to try and pug Heroics. Someone actually uploaded some logs that happened to have me in so I went in to warcraftlogs.com and was poking around... it's kind of information overload. how do I extract value from this site 😂

[timid jay]

Anything specific you're looking for?

[solid mist]

I dunno yet. High level... be a better tank?

Identify dumb/bad things I'm doing

[junior ivy]

im geting so many mop scenario achvs im almost at 18k achievement points

[rich swallow]

i guess it depends on what you are comparing yourself to.

[timid jay]

Well, if you're analyzing a specific person you want to first choose them in the dropdown in the top left corner

For us, looking through your rage to see that you dont waste any is importnat with AM and how it plays into our dps. Could also be worth checking out your BC and DS usage

[rich swallow]

should be using BC and DS on CD

[solid mist]

is there a ay to overlay buffs/etc. over incoming damage? so if I see a particular spike in damage I can look and see what I had up, and if I could have used something?

[timid jay]

Yeah that can be done

[ember arrow]

if u get spiked unexpectedly on war

[timid jay]

Select yourself in the top left

[ember arrow]

ur already dead

on appropriate content

[timid jay]

Then go to damage taken

[solid mist]

so BC/DS on cooldown.. only when I'm tanking right? or does it not matter and just use constnatly? I'm a bit gunshy as I've pulled agro before doing that so I usually hold it till I taunt (if it's a swap fight)

[brave halo]

@ember arrow How do you get the second healthbar showing your IP absorb?

[solid mist]

@ember arrow fair point 😉

[ember arrow]

@brave halo i dont

my hp is 9.2 mil

IP is 9.2

that means 2 healthbars

quick maffffs

[timid jay]

@solid mist

Green means all damage you took while its active on step 3, red means while it wasnt active

[solid mist]

ok, I did that. wasn't quite sure what aht "source aura filter" was doing

[timid jay]

You can toggle how many you like

[solid mist]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

ok

[timid jay]

You can also go to the top right, where you have tables, timelines and events

Pressing events and you'll get something thats better to analyze specific tank abilites

[brave halo]

To everyone... how important is it that I have Dragon Skin as the second trait on all my relics (first being Bastion)? Should I use a lower ilvl relic with both than a higher level one with only Bastion?

[timid jay]

You see just left of step 2 in the image I linked, you can choose specific abilites there. Like foe breaker on aggramar or deadly scythe on argus

[brave halo]

IIRC, Dragon Skin is the 2nd most beneficial, right?

[timid jay]

I dont really value dragon skin that high tbh, its the second best but its vastly outshined by bastion

[solid mist]

@timid jay yeah

[timid jay]

Generally I just go for bastion and ilvl

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xA7hRyNWCm4bJtwd#fight=36&type=damage-taken&source=20&ability=243960&view=events
@solid mist you get a good overview of what cooldowns you had up for specific abilites when you do it like that

[solid mist]

@timid jay ok. so if I set the filter to red, and then in the timeline view see a tankbuster or some other ability taht I shoulda shield blocked show up there, then I dun fucked up?

[timid jay]

Basically yeah

[ember arrow]

yea

abilities that are blockable on appropriate content

will oneshot u

or almost oneshot u

if not blocked

if its magic dmg u can substitute SR for SB

but on thigns like foebreaker, if u dont block it ur pretty much dead

[solid mist]

oh sure

[timid jay]

For specifically blockable abilites you can go to tables view and mouseover hits like marked

[solid mist]

alright tahnks. that's a good starting point. I'll keep poking at this

[timid jay]

Warcraftlogs gives you a immense amount of informations, digging through it and playing around will hlep you to get a bit more comfortable with it

[solid mist]

👍

and then gonna just paste wha tI asked above as convo was moving fast: "so BC/DS on cooldown.. only when I'm tanking right? or does it not matter and just use constnatly? I'm a bit gunshy as I've pulled agro before doing that so I usually hold it till I taunt (if it's a swap fight)"

[timid jay]

If you want damage logs, you just use them on CD

[solid mist]

I usually hold DS b/c I'm like "well this is a defenseive cooldown, I should use it while tanking" or is the idea that AM causes it to never really not be available?

[timid jay]

If you play the tier combo, you never hold them regardless

[solid mist]

I don't have any t20 if that's what you mean

just 2pc t21

[timid jay]

But generally I'd say you dont hold either DS/BC too long since with the amount of rage we generate will make LS/SW fill the function of the "short cd"

[solid mist]

🤔 good point

but I've def popped em and spammed SS and pulled agro :/

[timid jay]

When your last stand has around 1min CD you dont need to worry that much about it

[solid mist]

thanks for the help!

[warm plinth]

@modest crest That is how it works; basically when you go into the cave, one of two daily quests completes. Either the one that ends in the shield not being there, or the one that does. So that script tells you if you completed the one that does.

[modest crest]

Gotcha, thanks for the info

[warm plinth]

It's useful for if you have a busy guild chat or a lot of addon spam that could force the emote up before you see it

[stuck coral]

Hi

what's the best legendary for tank?

[undone sun]

bracers/gloves/belt

[stuck coral]

aha

thx

[long bronze]

got to 16 stacks on N argus

didn't have a SB up lol

hit me for 9 mil with Shield Wall up

If only I had that sweet bear hp

week 5 with no trinket tho feels bad

[undone sun]

i accidentally crit blocked a 5th hit of deadly scythe in P3 last night on mythic

[ember arrow]

25 still my record

[undone sun]

wanted to die but argus said no

[ember arrow]

normal argus\

[long bronze]

nice thats legit

[ember arrow]

17 on heroic

[long bronze]

I need to do my SB better lol

[ember arrow]

then i prayed to RNGsus

[long bronze]

I'm also scrubmaster 952 so

[ember arrow]

after 9t i expected to die

but RNGsus said NO

8 critblocks

[long bronze]

haha

damn

whats your mastery?

[ember arrow]

49 vs level 110

so lower vs bosses

[long bronze]

I'm sitting at 36 lol

[ember arrow]

wit pants its

49 vs level 113 bosses

correction

[long bronze]

nice

[ember arrow]

just did votw 18 smalles melee hit was

0.0k

ok ok

[long bronze]

lol close call there

could only fit a few billion of those in there

[warm plinth]

Wiping on LFR coven zzzz

[ember arrow]

ayyy

how

u can stack them

wdgewgher1he

[long bronze]

lightning + army

lets you find all the kids with the extra chromos

[ember arrow]

runnign away from army reminds me of my uncle

he used to chase me

oh well

[warm plinth]

Because it's LFR and if we can't count on them for anything else, we can count on them to find a way to wipe on an easy fight

[ember arrow]

Skada: Levko's Healing for Total: 23:59 (41 Min 6 Sec):
Ignore Pain 469.22M (72.4%)
Hammer-Forged 65.76M (10.1%)
Revitalizing Rage 65.72M (10.1%)
Light of Absolarn 18.64M (2.9%)
Victory Rush 14.50M (2.2%)

apoc drive 10% of healing

[long bronze]

you're using codex eh

[undone sun]

no inspiring

🤔

[ember arrow]

m+

m'lord

[long bronze]

you use safeguard then?

[ember arrow]

yea

[long bronze]

use case last boss of BRH on Tyran?

stop healer from getting dunked lol

[ember arrow]

in any m+

Insp presence isnt good in m+ because its not true leech so only effects dps 3 of them

in dungeosn there is also no ongiong party wide dmg like in raids

few exceptions, like argonox

and for imp. victory to be good it has to 1: heal more, cost no rage, 3: have no cd

one of 3

[long bronze]

yeah 15% feels like nothing

[split plinth]

why can warriors block maw from dogs but paladin only can if they specc into holy shield?

[ember arrow]

if it was off gcd wud be nice too

becasu maw is a spell

[long bronze]

pally do not no da wae

[ember arrow]

we can block certain spells thanks to blizzardo logic

pally can only block spells wit the talent

[long bronze]

Also pally have like armor for magic so

we only get SR

[ember arrow]

wit dk or bear i dont need to watch anything

press the buttons when they come off cd

[long bronze]

yeah you have so much HP everything is basically trivial lol

one shot war tank is half of bears hp

[ember arrow]

i had really big trouble tanking high keys on bear

got absolutely rekt by stronk trash, so i had to kite

but i hate kiting

[long bronze]

veng is best for keys I think

[ember arrow]

also bear has 0 magic metigation

[scenic dune]

feels like your running away

[ember arrow]

exactly

[scenic dune]

I thought they had a fair amount of general purpose mit tho?

[long bronze]

btw did anyone get pit of sauron for timewalking

[ember arrow]

CR changes reduced their value dramatically

[long bronze]

what a pain in the ass that is

[scenic dune]

ah

[ember arrow]

roar is still good

but nowhere near dk utility

[undone sun]

well, Active magic mitigation
still have plenty of CDs like Rots and Bark

[ember arrow]

who would win

ANti magic shell Bear tank

i did the unthinkable on my dk

[long bronze]

for pure lulz blood is insane

[ember arrow]

pull whole room be4 corstillax

[long bronze]

bear just has more raid utility

[ember arrow]

cant dram of that on warrior

dream

[long bronze]

you just need to interrupt the dot cast

[ember arrow]

dk gameplay when low: pop 960 dinner bell wit vers afood

get 26% vers_vamp blood

artifact

step 2: be full hp in less than 0.2 seconds

[long bronze]

lol getting low on DK tho

[ember arrow]

withou t VB i feel liek a bitch

[long bronze]

IM NOT BITTER

just use the belt

its up every 5 seconds

[ember arrow]

i am 907

1 leggo

did a +14 though arcway

[long bronze]

oh so git gud

[ember arrow]

im proud of myself

[long bronze]

haha yeah actually thats pretty insane

[ember arrow]

waht i hate is the obnoxious lack of mobility

[long bronze]

in keystones just use bear tartar

[ember arrow]

dont have killing blow that often

i pref vers afood + dinnerbell

mini VB

[long bronze]

oh yeah need vers for the dinnerbell

[ember arrow]

still feel most involved on warr

so many buttons per minute

[long bronze]

warrior is 100% the most proactive tank

[ember arrow]

only one i havet played is monk and pala

orc paladins

then im onboard

[long bronze]

monk is just a rotation

for the most part

the issue I had with monk vs warrior is the "oh shit" times

warrior is usually like 5 sec max

monk its like 10-15 lol

[ember arrow]

i had discussion about that wit someone while ago

[long bronze]

when you're getting dunked and have no brews left

warrior SB comes off cd and you're gucci

[ember arrow]

he said how he mispulled hten cudnt correct mistake whereas wit dk he cud pull

i said: u know tacs, git gud basically

[long bronze]

lel

[ember arrow]

it was bolster and he didnt pull casters towards him

well i mean

durrrrrrrrrrr

if u start playing warrior as a dk ur dead be4 u can say something hilarious

[long bronze]

you mean because it takes more than having a WA to tell you when to deathstrike?

[ember arrow]

it wasnt class discussion

it was about tacs

[paper relic]

So what is a better tank progression class prot warrior or blood DK?

[prisma crane]

BDK

atm

[ember arrow]

progression for what

mythic raids>?

both are fine if u can play warr correctly

press shield block whne the mean men are about to hit hard

[paper relic]

Explain what your referring to please

[ember arrow]

there is no cheat death for starters

secondly, u need to know what to block and when

[long bronze]

warrior can do everything BDK can do just worse

viable tho

just not as fisher price

[ember arrow]

for mythic raids both are good idk man

keys i agree

25+

[topaz ember]

can blood dks heroic leap ha we are much better

[ember arrow]

only thing we struggle agaisnt is bleeds that last longer than 18 sec

[topaz ember]

dwarfs got bleed removal

ez

[ember arrow]

im talking classes

dwarf can be a dk too

so

burst magic dmg: check

[ember arrow]

burest physical dmg: check

sustained physical dmg thatts not bleed: ez

[topaz ember]

also arrow shurt

arrows*

[long bronze]

when warrior is below brewmaster you know somethings fucked

[ember arrow]

with what

[long bronze]

DK and druid just need a good shitting on

[ember arrow]

this isnt the derath one

is it

death

[undone sun]

no

can you read

[tiny sphinx]

back in mah day, shield blocks used to block arrows

[glacial sage]

dwarf master race, doesn't matter what class you are, being a dwarf automatically makes it the best

[ember arrow]

woa toxic

idk what score refers to

[undone sun]

[glacial sage]

[long bronze]

the # of parses is what I'm pointing out

score is for dps I think

[topaz ember]

i took and stacked crit so i have a 100% parry chance when its up am i playing this right?

[ember arrow]

1 thing

[undone sun]

🤦

[ember arrow]

u got indomitable?

scales well wit crit

the more crit the more hp

[tiny sphinx]

as long as you pull once only every minute and a half and pulls don't last longer than 8 seconds, you're golden!

[topaz ember]

yee

[tiny sphinx]

and crit used to be more rage in one form or another

[ember arrow]

@long bronze i mean, i had no trouble at all surviving after having 2 pulls to figure out rotation

i went up to kingaroth, all bosses were :sleep: except portal keepr and imonar BLEEEEEDS

[long bronze]

warrior is viable for sure man

[ember arrow]

but even those wit t20 +21

[long bronze]

just not nearly as viable as bdk and bear

[ember arrow]

no biggie

[long bronze]

that's the only point I'm making

[ember arrow]

if by more viable u mean u dont need to pay much attention

comparatively

[undone sun]

we handle bleeds much better than bear does

imonar and PK are terrible for bear

[ember arrow]

idk man, bleeds are bane of my existence

[round hornet]

ye bleed is not affected by armor and shit iirc

[ember arrow]

nothign else

[round hornet]

so bear is not good w/ it

[ember arrow]

i see new raid i look for bleeds

every boss without one is happy Levko

[long bronze]

a lot of bleeds are reduced

[round hornet]

but IP can help

[long bronze]

by armor actually

[undone sun]

not true

only harj's bleed is

[ember arrow]

@round hornet problem wit bleeds: Ip soaks a melee attack, then it has no chance to soak bleed

[timid jay]

Only one I know of is harjatan

[ember arrow]

99% of bleedsarent

[tiny sphinx]

cloth armour should reduce bleed since it soaks for you, kek

[timid jay]

lul

true

[long bronze]

okay I was LIED TO

[round hornet]

yeah but sometimes my bear cotank qq's when hes not tanking but still has sever and mines on him

ticking him down

[ember arrow]

if i bleed but i dont get meleed its fine

its melee+bleed

that reks

[warm plinth]

99.9% of bleeds are classed as magic for mitigation purposes. Harjatan's bleed is the one exception.

[tiny sphinx]

melee+bleed, you mean like ursoc, those were fun times

[ember arrow]

i didnt do EN mytihc on current content

was jjust starting

[timid jay]

Dont remind me of that fight, played blood there

Worst fight ever

[ember arrow]

was afraid to go in a raid

to get artifact quest

[long bronze]

I was veng for bear lol

[ember arrow]

i was that guy

[long bronze]

FELT BAD

[timid jay]

Back then dots consumed bone shield stacks....

[ember arrow]

haHAA

[timid jay]

and that dot ticked every second, so you only spammed marrowrend

[ember arrow]

they shud bring that back

[timid jay]

Oh god no

[tiny sphinx]

doesn't boneshield only get eaten as a stack every x seconds anyway? like 1 or 1.5s

[ember arrow]

boneshield needs to decay on its own

or by other thijgns than melees

[timid jay]

It had 1 second ICD, but all dots in EN ticked every second

So you were fucked

[ember arrow]

boneshield is most braindead metigation

unless i miss something

[round hornet]

ISB

[warm plinth]

I think Boneshield, IF and ISB are all equally braindead tbh

[tiny sphinx]

it also counts as active mit doesn't it? so 100% activ mit uptime

[warm plinth]

Nah

[ember arrow]

no

[timid jay]

Its not especially interesting no, but for me bDk is more about rune/RP management

[ember arrow]

whats ISB

[warm plinth]

Only the 3 seconds after Marrowrend and Death Strike count as Active Mitigation

[round hornet]

no, recent deathstrike is the bdk "active mitigation"

[warm plinth]

Ironskin Brew

[timid jay]

ironskin brew

[ember arrow]

ohhh

ye

[warm plinth]

And the mastery shield, but that's only useful as AM in one situation

[ember arrow]

but marrowrend lasts 30 sec

[timid jay]

The recent DS is the most stupid AM tbh

[ember arrow]

u dont eve nneed to press that button

[prime owl]

I'm sure people have brought this up, but I don't see it, how is Highmountain Tauren compared to other races for tanking at this point

[timid jay]

Reactive heal you want to use after the damage, but you need to use it before for a AM check

makes no sense

[warm plinth]

They're marginally the best for survival because of the 1% vers and the damage decrease on every hit

[round hornet]

good thing theres no AM checks in raid unless im missing something

[warm plinth]

no, no AM checks in raids

[prime owl]

1% vers, 1% of stamina in flat damage redux (though I don't know when it applies)

gotcha, World

[warm plinth]

And not every dungeon has AM checks either

[timid jay]

The whole AM check is stupid imo

[ember arrow]

i ike it

NL

❤

[warm plinth]

For BDK specifically?

[timid jay]

Especially how NF doesnt count as AM

[round hornet]

its stupid for BDK

[ember arrow]

nah for warr

[warm plinth]

Or in general, @timid jay

[timid jay]

Its just stupid, just make it deal damage

In general

[round hornet]

and completely irrelevant for some other classes than have 100% uptime on "active" mitigation

[timid jay]

Make abilites hit hard, make the punishment you dying instead of a knockback or a strange dot

[ember arrow]

instakill

yea

id like that

[timid jay]

Just doesnt work for all classes with the AM check, especially when you could just cover stuff with a cooldown instead like LS/SW

[ember arrow]

unironically wud be good test of metigation

[timid jay]

but you cant because its a AM check

So you need SB up or suffer a consequence

Its just strange to me

[ember arrow]

or SR

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[undone sun]

well technically you still fail the am check

[ember arrow]

doenst feel like it

0 dmg boss takes all dmg

[undone sun]

technically

[warm plinth]

Yeah but he takes the full damage of it

Which you would have taken had SR not been there to send it back his way

[ember arrow]

ye technically

i like AM on warrior

hate them on dk

[timid jay]

Thats the big issue with AM checks, they become cluncky for a lot of specs and useless for some like bear and brew

who have 100% am uptime

Its just very strange how it works

[ember arrow]

ye dk needs to use death strike after dmg

but now u gotta do it be4

[warm plinth]

Well, I mean, DS at max health isn't a total waste

You still get Souldrinker

[ember arrow]

still waste 50%

of the ability

[timid jay]

Dungeons were around before souldrinker, was way worse before

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying it's not a bad design, because it is. Just saying you do get some use out of it

[round hornet]

maybe if bloodshield wasnt so low it would be fine

[timid jay]

I much prefer how they deal with it in raids

[ember arrow]

ye give dk more shields

and hp

they desperately need it

[warm plinth]

I think they should just make the blood shield have two buffs; one is the AM and one is the absorb

[timid jay]

Make something hit very hard, and you basically die if you dont ahve something up

[ember arrow]

that 35 sec VB is so weak

Kappa

[warm plinth]

But at the same time, you're still using DS for AM so I guess that's still bad

Marrowrend being the AM is stupid too though, because you're overcapping charges sometimes

[digital wave]

Hello there! I was just wondering how important it really is to have 4p set T20 as protection? Playing Arms now and have gotten lots of gear from Argus to gear for back u tank, but everywhere I read it just says "Get as high T20 as you can and some nice Argus trinkets good to go m8"

[round hornet]

recent DS is a seperate buff from your shield

for the AM check

[warm plinth]

Yes I know

[timid jay]

Its nice to have, not a neccesity

[ember arrow]

"recently used death strike"

[warm plinth]

But the blood shield mastery also counts as AM. It's just worthless in all but one case because it instantly breaks.

[brave halo]

Sweet, just got Smolderin Titanguard out of an Antorus Cache 😄

[timid jay]

If you get very high TF t20 it'll be worth keeping otherwise its worth it to go for t21 @digital wave

[digital wave]

Alright cool! Thanks @timid jay

[warm plinth]

The only time you can use it as AM is for the first boss of Vault

Because he does only magic damage during Darkstrikes

[ember arrow]

@timid jay how about sunder, its AM check for SB, but not blockable and its magic dmg

u mean things like this

?

[warm plinth]

It's not an AM check though

DBM just seems to think it is

[ember arrow]

ok molten crash

[undone sun]

100% not an AM check (sunder)

[ember arrow]

slower version of sunder

i find sunder to be the best AM check in game

even though it isnt one

[warm plinth]

Yeah Molten Crash is just Blizzard being lazy honestly lol. They're like hey let's have an AM check here

[timid jay]

🤔

[ember arrow]

sunder keeps u on ur toes

[warm plinth]

Even though it's not blockable but you have to have your 100% block ability up for it

[ember arrow]

i wish AM checks worked more like sunder

I KNOW IT ISNT ONE

i mean more unpredictible

by only few seconds

[warm plinth]

But with a 6 second AM, it's not like it'd be that hard

[brave halo]

What fights are Titanguard good on other than Aggramar?

[ember arrow]

not a ggramar

[warm plinth]

Use SB when CD on Sunder is up, and you're guaranteed to have it going

It's never delayed by that much

Unless he happens to be going into the cup phase at the same time

[undone sun]

mythic argus

[ember arrow]

sunder iisnt reduced by SB

at all

[warm plinth]

I know

I'm saying if it was an AM check

[ember arrow]

SR lasts 5 sec

i had plenty of times i wasted 2 stacks

when it was off cd 12 sec

[warm plinth]

🤔 I've never had Sunder delay that much

[ember arrow]

that i like

i had plenty of times i use 2 SR

in a row

no sunder

[warm plinth]

That's odd

I don't have leggings so I just get one SR every 25 seconds and I've literally never missed reflecting a sunder

[ember arrow]

i was thinking, how wud we do aggramar f foebreaker wasnt blockable

🤔

[warm plinth]

We wouldn't probably lol

[ember arrow]

if it was like kingaroths thingy

[warm plinth]

Run 4pc+2pc and hopefully have a CD up for every one?

[ember arrow]

whu u cant block that is beyond m,e

[undone sun]

on PTR argus' scythes weren't blockable

[ember arrow]

fun times

[long bronze]

WAT

do they hate us

[ember arrow]

Blizzard employee: ok lets not have warrior tanks on this boss

Another employee: bears buffed, regen 100% of dmg taken in last 10 seconds

minimum 90% of max hp

[brave halo]

@ember arrow Smoldering Titanguard isn't good on Aggramar? Thought it'd be good for soaking Taeshalach. Any fights its good on other than M Argus?

[ember arrow]

@brave halo taeschalach is blockable literally no problem

[undone sun]

wherever you'd want a cheat death/cheese mechanics button

[ember arrow]

and foebreaker is blockable

[undone sun]

it's not an amazing trinket for general use

[ember arrow]

tfw u die on seat 3rd boss

wit titanguard

[brave halo]

But it's listed as one of the top trinkets 😦

[round hornet]

its good at what it does

[ember arrow]

it is?

[brave halo]

Yes, Levko

[ember arrow]

look at for what

increase EHP

[brave halo]

Doesn't really say other than "when you soak big damage" which is pretty vague

[ember arrow]

(when used as cheat death_P

[brave halo]

Like, where else is there huge spikey damage we need to worry about?

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/jtso5Q8.png

[ember arrow]

the ()

ARE very important

[round hornet]

in a m+ if you due a mongo pull

like

at the opera you pull one of the guys below so everything between below and the opera run at you at the same time

[ember arrow]

bolster tyranical maw u pull boss and adds

idk

[timid jay]

I can be good as a panic button in some cases

[long bronze]

so that block thing has to be a bug right

[round hornet]

it also does good damages

[ember arrow]

its too short for pulls in m+

[brave halo]

So if I have Dilma's and DMDI, I should pretty much be using those full time over Titanguard?

[undone sun]

what? @long bronze

[ember arrow]

in general yes rek

[brave halo]

That's disappointing, but I understand

[ember arrow]

its one of top trinkets at what it does

[long bronze]

ptr argus block

bug?

[ember arrow]

above the trinket list for all tank specs u see "trinkets for general use"

[undone sun]

no, i said on PTR meaning before the raid was launched

[long bronze]

OH

gotcha

[round hornet]

ye its really good for Maiden on mythic if ur tryina farm tos

[ember arrow]

or if u wanna soak smashpite 5th charge

then die tru it

feelsbadman

[brave halo]

Is Riftworld Codex good on High Command, Eonar or Portal Keeper, due to adds?

[ember arrow]

@undone sun if u use SB then tiutanguard vs blockable ability, does it block it

[round hornet]

the adds dont even hit you on eonar tho

[ember arrow]

or are u unable benefit from buffs durign the channel

PK nope

[undone sun]

most of the time the adds on AHC wont be attacking you, no
PK same thing, no
eonar most of the time you wont be attacking anything so you're only really using it for the two heals

i don't think so

[warm plinth]

Don't absorbs typically get used before DR?

Other than armor

[timid jay]

Its after

[undone sun]

yeh, absorbs are after

[ember arrow]

if foebreaker hits me 50 mil

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[ember arrow]

titanguard aboisrbs 25

i critblock wit 7 bastions

so i take 0.12x50mil dmg

that gets absorbed by titanguard?

[timid jay]

Can you even block during titanguard?

[ember arrow]

thats what im asking

[undone sun]

i vaguely remember someone saying no

someone being AK

[ember arrow]

if u can that increases the cheese

[timid jay]

I could log in and test

[ember arrow]

TREMENDOUSLY

[timid jay]

That would require effort though

[ember arrow]

press SB then titanguard

[brave halo]

I guess I'm a little confused on trinkets. Here's what I have: Smoldering Titanguard (930), DMDI (900), Diima's (930, Riftworld Codex (950) and Archimonde's Hatred Reborn (1000). What trinkets do I need to hunt from this point?

[undone sun]

can't guarantee the crit block though

[ember arrow]

@brave halo apoc drive defensively, any dps trinks from be4 NH or m+

[undone sun]

he didn't say he had apoc

[ember arrow]

he said what do i need to hunt

i say what i said

[timid jay]

I'd probably run diimas/codex in general

DmD for high physical damage instead of codex

[ember arrow]

but muh pantheon

995 i dont wanan unequip that

[long bronze]

wtb aman thuls