yeah 4 t20/2 t21 for max rage gen
#protection
celest rose
super high shade of xavius comes to the top of my mind
if everyone else dies, you can solo it
cuz it stops doing the silence
and you can 4pc/2pc w/ bracers and sustain yourself
warm plinth
Yeah I don't have bracers unfortunately. Just making sure I don't really need to worry about using it in most cases since it's a big ilevel hit (my T20 is LFR)
celest rose
if I need to turtle a mythic boss in raid I still drop from 970 > 956 or so cuz it's more survivable
but unless you're tanking like 20s or something then you should be fine
warm plinth
Nah I'm just doing 12-15 mostly. Noticing a huge difference just from T21 2pc and the belt legendary
celest rose
yeah honestly the t21 2pc should be plenty of rage gen for those situations
and the belt is huge for trash packs
warm plinth
Yeah I don't have many good legendaries so I'm using gloves/belt for pretty much everything
celest rose
at least those 2 are great
warm plinth
Yeah, just got the belt a couple days ago, same day I got my 2pc
It was a good day for gear :p
celest rose
nice! cg on that
warm plinth
Thanks. And Blizz even saw fit to give me a bracers upgrade in my cache today, even after that
cyan tusk
so we are still running 4p20 2 21?
crimson crest
so what trinkets should i be using for the mage tower challenge? the ones i have right now haven't really been helping much
i'm using a 915 writhing heart of darkness, and a 930 giant ornamental pearl
undone sun
offensive trinkets, and pearl is quite shit
broken kite
delete the pearl
@cyan tusk you dont look like a warrior! and yeah its great defensively unless ya got big big big other gear
spiral smelt
it might've been asked a thousand times.But im new here. As a warrior tank that raids normal/heroic antorus and potentially mythic. What are the bis trinkets atm ? I've been googling but gotten different resuslts/answers- ty
warm plinth
Thanks
undone sun
we dont have working sims so no offensive trinket list, it's mostly what feels better and what most logs run atm
defensively there's a list in the pins
@spiral smelt
spiral smelt
where is that list , sorry still new to discord
warm plinth
Click the pin on the top right, or if on mobile, the 3 dots then tap Pinned messages
spiral smelt
thanks!
warm plinth
Sure thing
merry cave
I should really go back to tomb for half decent T20 for imonar, everytime it's mentioned I feel bad for being lazy lol
rocky tiger
Enjoying the benefits of 4pc/20 + 2pc/21 + walls fell and bracers
Damage taken for last weeks heroic argus clear was down by 40% and damage up by 25%
Shield wall every 45-50sec
Can't be long before blizzard nukes that as a combo, feels way too powerful.
undone sun
if they were they would have done it with the rest of the tier nerfs, going into antorus
chance for a nerf is long gone
rocky tiger
I suppose yeah
Hell fun to play though. Can't remember the last time it felt this cool to play prot.
sick sentinel
did imonar with my new guild tonight, wow that fight was easy
damage intake wasnt really rough at all
sick sentinel
Hi guys, how much haste do you think i should be on as prot? I do not have 4 set yet nor 2 set for that matter.
undone sun
there's no real minimum and the cap is unreachable
sick sentinel
atm the moment i am on 30% haste, with a trinket called Leviathan's hunger
I would really need something alse
also my hp is only on 7.6 mill
I dont use [Indomitable] tho i use devestator
warm plinth
That's fine. And that's a bad trinket. You could have 15% haste and you'd be fine.
ember arrow
its decent trinket
but there is no minimum haste
also hp pool doesntm atter, since IP is our hp pool
delicate urchin
did we have something awesome from ulduar timewalk? trinkets?
spring sierra
hey guys. i got a silly question that i am pretty sure i already know the answer to, but i am going to ask anyway
is there a statweight for def warriors?
ember arrow
(Prioritize item level) Haste > Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike
no strings
or sims
spring sierra
i mean i know basically what stats are better, i just want to put it into pawn for easy to choose item upgrades on a twink
damn, ok
( Pawn: v1: "DEF": Class=Warrior, Spec=Protection, Indestructible=-1000000, Leech=1, MovementSpeed=0.01, HasteRating=1, MasteryRating=0.8, Versatility=0.7, Avoidance=0.02, Strength=1, CritRating=0.7, Stamina=1, Armor=1 ) does something like this look valid or should i just drop it?
ember arrow
even if leggos and tier was implemented well
RFDT makes results unreliable
u cant sim us
dps
spring sierra
its not really a dps thing, its a stat weighting thing
if the stat for a dps means more dps, then the stat for us would be more "worth" for tanking
but i get it
thanks
analog swift
For defensive warriors itโs fun ha be ilvl bigly (steam and strength for ignorelain) then cerse
Stam ignore pain
rugged comet
Hey guys, I got the pyrite infuser trinket at 945ilvl last night from ulduar timewalking. Was curious if itโs actually worth using, since the stats and proc look pretty good, or should I just stick with my memento?
rugged comet
+~1400 haste and chance to increase strength by ~9000 for 10 seconds
It sounds awesome on paper, but I have no idea tbh hah.
calm cove
whats the rppm?
spring sierra
that is more like a dps trinket, isnt it?
ember arrow
so is memento
spring sierra
i was just wonderring, because we are in the protection channel, my mind went into a loop
calm cove
tanks using dps trinkets or just regular stat sticks isnt anything special
spring sierra
what is a tad annoying is that the ulduar stuff does not have mastery on it anywhere
soft condor
congrats, still waiting on mine
sick sentinel
ty โค may i wish you good loot and stable connect
soft condor
I'm already at 33% chance, I believe. So I believe, haha.
sick sentinel
๐
rugged comet
Iโm not super sure of the rppm tbh. Didnโt have time to test last night and couldnโt find it anywhere. Was hoping someone here knew.
ember arrow
well we dont generally test items from several expansions ago
its prob on internt somewhere
spring sierra
how much haste should i have as a minimum in order to use devastator?
spring sierra
no matter the gear level?
spring sierra
because of the attackspeed of the autoattacks
ember arrow
doesnt matter
if u have to use devastate u wasted a globla cd
that is otherwise used by devastator aa
on top of that devastate doesnt generate 5 rage
spring sierra
yeah i get you, this toon now has ilvl 920... relinquished
i just liked to have 20% more hp to play with at the start
also keeps more gankers away when questing ๐
spring sierra
i bet i know at least 1 example where you are wrong ๐
west kayak
World PvP is a joke for us.
spring sierra
assa rogue or sub rogue
west kayak
They stand no chance.
compact geyser
Rogues are pushovers
ember arrow
but due to DR buff take long time to kill
spring sierra
maybe in your area, i got killed in 5 seconds through shieldwall yesterday in barebackbrawl
ember arrow
then he was 960 or smt
spring sierra
yeah... trinket was lvl 985
spring sierra
basically he was outgearing me by 50ilvl ๐
compact geyser
The only time I'm ever outmatched is if I don't swap out my movement speed gear cause it's actually just awful
spring sierra
oh and this toon is new, i leveled a HM tauren for the transmog
my main is alliance so i took it as a challenge ๐
turns out, alliance are scumbags aswell ๐
spring sierra
word
ember arrow
alliance quests: KILL THEM ALL (its for science/greatergood i swear)
horde: kill them all (???)
spring sierra
horde: "Kill them for glory"
compact geyser
Horde is about family and honor. We've just had a few bad apples.
ember arrow
horde alliance conflict was made pointless due to common enemies
now its like ok lets go back
but fighting demons 24/7
gets boring
spring sierra
garrosh did nothing wrong
compact geyser
So, I legit think that the conflict between H and A is gonna be overshadowed by the old gods and the void in later patches of BfA
Umm. Garrosh was a racist cunt. But it's not all his fault. He never wanted to be warchief. I blame Green Jesus for being a pussy.
spring sierra
Not as much a racist, more like a purist.
quiet delta
so mastery is bis for argus y? preferable 100% right?
spring sierra
that is in the eye of the beholder
compact geyser
Umm, eyestalks of the beholder
spring sierra
bombing theramore might have sounded evil to you, but in his defense, they where cunts to begin with
enslaving orks
whole sapphire
no i did't mean he did evil my bad
i mean he did @spring sierra he did
he got himself killed
spring sierra
raiding them
whole sapphire
xD
spring sierra
so the real question would be
if slaves flee their former masters, and then take revenge against them, is that racism?
whole sapphire
depents
spring sierra
it does, doesnt it?
spring sierra
according to the masters yes
spring sierra
as the masters usually see them selfes as a superior race
whole sapphire
if the slaves proclaim that all people of the race of their masters are worthless that would be racism
that would be too @spring sierra
spring sierra
but if they say "get off my lawn"?
but take the same actions as if they said that they are inferior?
doesnt really change the act
just the pretense
whole sapphire
are we still talking aboud wow or not ? xD
-d +t
and btw. wrong channel
what had rasicm to do with prot warriors ? xD
spring sierra
garrosh (according to lore and the stories pre cata) saw how the orcs where suffering and thought that Thrall did nothing to address that, so in his own way he tried to make orgrimmar great again
wait... i fucked that up now didnt i
yeah i think we should pause this discussion ๐
flies off
whole sapphire
lol
other question i struggle with m +15
what legendary combo is best for survival
dps is not that big of a deal
bracers check but what else ? prydaz or belt ?
compact geyser
In m+ for survival i go wrists and belt
ember arrow
whats ur ilvl to struggle on +15
whole sapphire
947
whole sapphire
4p set antorus
ember arrow
or in general?
whole sapphire
yesterday it was upper kara final boss
compact geyser
Depending on affixes shouldn't be a problem
whole sapphire
everything else was no big deal but this boss was a pain in the a
timid jay
Only danger on that boss is really if you let him cast the fire stuff on you so it starts stacking
but as long as you interrupt/SR it shouldnt be a issue
compact geyser
Anything in particular? You can Sr the one cast he does
Oi cosmo beating me to it.
whole sapphire
the fire cast was not the problem sr and interrupt was timed with the group my problem was the green shit on the sec phase and the orbs ... it was so hard to avoid and even with cd's like shieldblock or last stand it was a hard time
round about 10 sec withoud heal was hard to deal with xD
timid jay
Why would it be 10 seconds without heals?
people moving out with the orb debuff and its really easy to dodge
And if he healer cant heal you for 10 seconds thanks to the green swirlies it sounds more like a healer issue
whole sapphire
the plattform was full of shit and the healer was focused on keeping dps and himself alive
timid jay
You can always dispell the orbs early so you dont get the all at the same time
whole sapphire
so i thought of maybe something i can improve to keep me alive a little bit longer
timid jay
Tbh, that sounds more like healer/dps issue
Either they are standing in too much bad stuff or the healer isnt putting out enough healing
whole sapphire
okay the dispell timing could help i'll speak with my mates maybe that can help a bit
thanks ^^
sacred bear
For pure defense, do you guys still use T20?
or is it worth switching to T21 4 PC if its mythic ilvl
timid jay
Its worth switching, the biggest gain from using the tier combo is CDR. If that wont help you t21 4p is stronger in general use
junior ivy
what are your guys top priority for order hall mission rewards? i go rep #1 priority, then gold, then veiled argunitre, then AP
junior ivy
oh yeh raid missions are my #1 too if theyre there
but rep mostly cause i want those cache mounts
modest crest
I only do the raid missions for extra seals or loot caches and then gold. After I hit 75 artifact traits I stopped doing the AP ones. And the champion equipment ones I havenโt done in ages. Reputations havenโt done in ages either
junior ivy
i hate everything yto do with champion equipment and champions in general
modest crest
Yeah I almost wish theyโd remove the mission stuff. It just gets me in trouble when Iโm on my phone when I was actually needing it. And now itโs just meh but I still do it for the gold and stuff
Have they said anything about it in bfa?
astral crystal
there'll be another garrison-type thing
compact geyser
Raid > gold > blood > rep > primal
junior ivy
i hate that theres gfonna bve another garrison type thing
who actually enjoys that stuff/
?
astral crystal
lots of people, believe me
i'd wager the vast majority of the playerbase plays to farm
stark sage
the class halls one is okay as a mini game, great choice putting in on mobile apps tbh, the WoD version was cancer
astral crystal
and garrison type mechanics are just farm centers
junior ivy
i farm lots of stuff, but theres nothing good you can "farm" with your stupid order hall missions
stark sage
gold mostly
junior ivy
the gold i make from ther eis barely enoug hto keep me afloat wkith flasks and stuff
astral crystal
make an alchemist ๐
stark sage
if you min max the table and you have multiple characters all collecting
compact geyser
You gotta do a few toons.
stark sage
its a lot of gold
astral crystal
i made all my gold gamblinig
stark sage
crafting/ selling BoEs/ mission table farming
junior ivy
how do you gamble
astral crystal
during raids
modern spindle
Broscience q - 945 dragon skin relic with light speed + BotA OR 970 revenge dmg shadowbind vrykul shield training
junior ivy
i wanna gamble
timid jay
the /roll game?
timid jay
I love that shit
astral crystal
yeah cosmo lol
junior ivy
omg i wanna do that
modern spindle
i was thinking the 945 due to BOTA ?
timid jay
we used to do 100k rolls during the breaks in raid
astral crystal
i've lost about a million gold doing that, but have made over 2m
timid jay
Made almost 600k one raid
astral crystal
it's the only reason i love downtime
timid jay
We changed for triviabot now though, people are too broke to keep playing
timid jay
yeah
west kayak
Like you need another addon Catfriend
junior ivy
lolol
timid jay
Yeah think its called crossgambling
winged marsh
nah just 1 person in the raid needs it
sick sentinel
abny tips for tanking mythic king?
stark sage
mostly the same as tanking it on heroic
be more aware when detonating purple bombs
they can kill ppl
compact geyser
Be sure to have a good way of tracking the health of your raid and the bomb debuff
So you don't kill the retarded dps
compact geyser
I was pretty vocal about asking the healers if they could handle bombs during the robot phase transition.
slate obsidian
with retarded dps he means the people retarded enough to get the reverberating strike debuff
which is applied to random people
stark sage
DPS โ
retarded
compact geyser
Listen, in my experience good dps and situational awareness rarely come together. But when you find that magical person ๐
And then, they wanna hug my nuts for every other forging strike.
And somehow I'm the bad guy ๐
long bronze
Hey bois what's the best thing to use during the soul sap on 2nd boss of votw? Wish I could use heroic throw but min range rip. I usually just use revenge but wondering if I'm forgetting something
compact geyser
Berserker rage?
compact geyser
Taunt?
long bronze
Eh I usually save taunt for the add spawns. And br would work once lol. I try just doing ss next time thanks
vast sedge
Kick SR and berserker rage for them for me
strong hill
Pummel or heroic throw.
unborn island
heroic throw/heroic leap if it could actually be useful
timid jay
I like shield slam since you generally dont ever have to wait the full cooldown anyway, so you dont really miss anything by using it
fervent harness
yo guys, with 2p 2p, is soul or walls fell gonna be better for survivability, i feel like its the walls fell but the guide mentions soul and not walls
timid jay
but taunt, leap and heroic throw works too
I'm not a fan of 2p 2p at all, only reason to use that is if you dont have t21 4p or your t20 is super high ilvl
I'd rather just drop t20 2p and get ilvl at that point
fervent harness
yeah this is an alt, i dont have 4p
i could unequip t20 2p for high ilvl, and i cant go 4p 2p
timid jay
But to answer you question, kaku/bracers in that case
sick sentinel
2p2p for dps
timid jay
Soul loses a lot of value with t21 2p
vengeance in general is poor with t21 2p, its mentioned in the tier part of the pinned guide
fervent harness
yeah thats what i thought, so of the soul/walls fell the latter would be better probs?
and then gloves when i can
timid jay
I wouldnt use soul at all if I could once you have t21 2p
sick sentinel
do you use t21 4p cosmo?
timid jay
yup
sick sentinel
what ilvl are your pieces
fervent harness
thanks for the help
timid jay
960 x3 and one 980
timid jay
I'd recommend changing away from tier combo unless you need the CDR once you get the same difficulty gear
i.e if you have heroic t20, once you get heroic t21 use that instead
sick sentinel
i have mythic t20
2 930's, 1 935, and 1 940
didnt feel squishy using it on mythic imonar yesterday
timid jay
Around the same t20 as I used before, switch as soon as I could get mythic t21
sick sentinel
right now i have 970 chest, and 960 cape in my bags
hoping for higher forges on heroic pieces
lavish whale
What's the ideal rage to spend on Ignore Pain?
modern spindle
Relic q - 945 dragon skin relic with light speed + BotA OR 970 revenge dmg shadowbind vrykul shield training
Roughly ? Please ๐
modern spindle
Well looks like I'm swapping it then !
sick sentinel
Damage as warrior prot matters a lot
You shouldn't be dying because u use a offensive relic
modern spindle
aye i get that just as im super new to prot for all intents and purposes (as much as ive read alot of the resources) i still dont feel to confident in my own understanding of the pros and cons of the relic traits - i realise BotA trait is additive so i expected it would be a huge boon (7/7 trait for myself IF i put that relic in) so i just wasn't sure which way to go with it honestly
sick sentinel
Light speed is rly good but if you are not dying there is no reason why you shouldn't go for the 970
I my self use 2 defensive relics and one offensive relic
Then I get all defensive in nether light crucible
I got lucky and got all bastion in nether light and all lights speed
But 7/7 is a very dps build
If you play well you will be doing damage in the millions
fleet galleon
Is warcraftlogs down?
timid jay
Yes, khira is updating the mySql version
fleet galleon
Ah okay, thanks!
round hornet
they are like instanced quests
junior ivy
how do you get to them
round hornet
depends on which ones
some legion stuff, not sure if old expac stuff is still around but it might be
ebon dagger
Is eye of satug good?
daring aspen
@timid jay hi
timid jay
@daring aspen @versed dock mby heal me
daring aspen
stand in rain
versed dock
@timid jay maybe take indomitable so you live longer?
round hornet
@ebon dagger eye trinkets fine ya, its like dmd:i but less armor more str
ruby bough
@timid jay this is ur GM speaking hello
sharp fern
@timid jay hi friend
true bear
@timid jay ok we stop now
dry crane
@timid jay focus up
daring aspen
@timid jay mr stormforged guy why did dk tank bonus roll 985 apo drive and you didnt?
fierce plinth
i have a question is this stormforged warrior anygood @timid jay
timid jay
Stop spamming for real
daring aspen
not fake?
final mist
broken kite
๐ ๐
compact geyser
sick sentinel
wow it took over 2 hours to complete 5 tw dungeons
i used to pull everything and run but i got destroyed
level scaling really made some dungeons annoying
junior ivy
i used to love tw
ewspecially wotlk tw
every week idb elike 'i hope its wotlk tw this week'
but right now I HATE IT
i am top dps in every single tw dungeon
they drag on
sick sentinel
well its not hard but annoying and long
sick sentinel
even with hero some bosses is like 4 mins long
junior ivy
its super annoying
its like every TW is tyrannical and fortified at the same time
cause the dps is sooo low
adn i run with dps who have good gear and are smart
but my dps still comeso ut higher
cause of the way the scaling works
if we did a regular dungeon theyd be higher than ,me
ember arrow
finally
pull everyting was boring as fuck
no point tanking
now that u actually need to play its good
TW was for me more of a chore when i cud pull whole rooms
round hornet
is wotlk tw scaled different from TBC or something?
haven't done it yet this week other than the raid
sick sentinel
i think 2 dungeons is scaled alot or something
boss had 5m hp generaly they are around 1m
with hero it took 4 min to kill
junior ivy
what dungeon was it
sick sentinel
pit i think
slate obsidian
quick question: can the second avatar on mythic argus target the currently active tank? on a 3-tank strategy
livid tendon
Does vari mythic add spawn on tank have a specific area
like always to the right of the tank or smth
or is it rng
sweet egret
rng
livid tendon
stfu ur prot is shit
sweet egret
no
livid tendon
exsto is my source
sweet egret
I'm beast
I tanked a +12 the other day dude
ez for me
there's no specific rule for the spawn of add "on tank" either
it is just always spawned around the target
quartz pond
timid jay
Way too much, but I guess it was a wowhead error
Just like dog eyes show too much armor on wowhead compared to ingame
But iirc it was somewhere around 10k+ armor
sick sentinel
it shows around 5k armor in game
tawny crown
west kayak
Frozen golem = DPS boost. ๐
delicate urchin
930 mastery statstick > 930 memento?
hasty sapphire
guys, what trades do i need on relics so that the insignia is best for dps? saw some logs from warriors with it equipped
brave mauve
Chaotic Darkness, Torment the Weak, Shadowbind spring to mind.
I've had kills where Chaotic Darkness, without Insignia, was my second most damaging attack (Got a 13m crit on last boss of BRH with it, somehow). God I miss 3/3 Chaotic Darkness.
hasty sapphire
hmm ok. and what is a bigger dps increase in MT? one revenge trait or one Thunder clap?
turbid horizon
I use insignia/Kakushans for DPS, my traits are 2x Shadowbind 1x Torment The Weak, shadowbind alone crits for 2m+
and it procs often
sick sentinel
@quartz pond leaden despair from stonecore gave you 11.3k for 10 every 30, the active ones from the vendor were 4k for 40 sec on that gnomish thing and 7k (?) for 20 sec from the Wotlk one afaik
the last two on a 2 min cd
sick sentinel
I think they learned from their mistakes
and check scaling now, even fix things like WHoD
prisma obsidian
What trinkets do you guys suggest for running +20 keys, Im currently running Diima's and a 955 Writhing Heart of Darkess, should I try to get a Riftworld Codex to replace the heart?
undone sun
AoE vs. ST
codex is "good" for aoe but not for ST
WHoD is great for ST but not for aoe
prisma obsidian
on AOE, mostly for bosses I will go back to WHoD
was wondering if it was worth losing ~8% DR on all trash pulls cause i feel like i crit enough to keep the buff on at 3 stacks
undone sun
have anything else other than codex
prisma obsidian
archimondes and the stam stick from dogs, but i dont wanna break the wrist/gloves combo
dont have the paragon cause the game hates me
misty charm
Guys, how is prot doing in M+ right now?
round hornet
stark sage
also consider those statistics are very extreme
round hornet
yeah thats only for super high keys, things are less skewed in lower key levels ofc
stark sage
as a general rule, DKs are the most popular followed by every1 else
misty charm
ye i know that, but how vailable is it
stark sage
the low representation of monks is mostly due to nobody plays monk to begin with
warriors are good
not insane but good
round hornet
if you aren't pushing high keys it doesn't matter what you play
misty charm
What would you consider "high"
stark sage
like 24+
misty charm
oh okay
stark sage
if you know how to play prot well, there isnt any content that is really locked from you
sick sentinel
only change for talents is safeguard
stark sage
yeah
inspiring presence is wasted in a small group
everything else is pretty strong
some people take shockwave but i wouldnt, warbreaker is too good
sick sentinel
other than that im watching shakib and way he handle big groups but i dont know any prot warrior streamer that do big keys
sense posts some m+ dungeons sometimes but they were not +24 and higher
misty charm
okay thanks
fringe marten
whod?
west bronze
Whirling heart of darkness, trinket from shade of xavius
fringe marten
Yeah the top rated prot war in world for M+, was? anyway...someone who's name was all korean or chinese characters....and he was a handful of key levels below shakib's group; I wonder if it's just the group or the actual limit of how prot warrior plays...if the pulls go long enough we become fairly vulnerable on real nasty trash pulls.
Oh the writhing heart of darkness
I have an old one of those in my bags like...870 or something
west bronze
Writhing w/e ๐
fringe marten
And yeah I'd love to say we can compete at any level of content but the simple fact is, no prot warrior pushes as high as any DH, DK, or paladin....we're a few key levels away.
west bronze
Warriors are in no way bad for m+ though
Its just stupid class stuff that are op
Like grips and aoe silences
And group leech
fringe marten
No but...again the numbers don't lie, and I'm guessing it's just the trash. No boss ever worries me..no matter the key or affix (a couple require some tricks on necrotic) But high fortified really nasty trash pulls...if the pack doesn't die quick we can run into issues.
fringe marten
I'm just short of 3k rated and every time we get to the 20 keys my guildies bitch out...they just don't want to push or learn anything challenging. and I loathe pugging
winged marsh
my old group was the same way
Key upgrades to a halls 21 "Nah too hard just lower it"
like
I wanna push ourselves as players and get better, not do shit we're more than capable of doing over and over
round hornet
@winged marsh do you tank too btw I've only seen ya dps
winged marsh
Only dps
I've tanked like 12s
Im playing prot for guild vari prog as escort bitch tho
round hornet
fosho, just remembered you dpsing some keys for me
winged marsh
I was?!
I havent been able to really run keys for like 2 weeks cause my ISP is fucking me over
which sucks cause last week was an awesome push week and I just couldnt play
really wanted to break 4k, been working at it for a while
round hornet
Ye, you were in spankcakes old guild or something
winged marsh
well im still in that guild ye
Did you tank on your warrior? I remember she brought in palis druids and a brm once
round hornet
Uh, probably not in the war
winged marsh
ah ok
fringe marten
I will say this though...on a tyrannical week I'm not sure how certain classes can get through halls 20+...hyrja don't play.
winged marsh
well tyran weeks never tend to be good push weeks
yea theres tricks on hyrja to help, avoidance is a MASSIVE help on that fight too
round hornet
Where she does her spells on the wrong sides so it's not buffed by her stacks
winged marsh
ye its a really sweet trick
fringe marten
"I see you talkin' shit over there...how about a 1 shot lightning bolt for 6.5mil"
latent orchid
and pleasantly consistent to pull off, was skeptical until I read the details
fringe marten
Yeah but you always move her to the correct side so she's not buffed...she still hits hard as hell.
latent orchid
Hyrja will arcing bolt your grandparents and not feel guilty
winged marsh
you gotta be insanely careful throughout that fight and juggle your defensives really well, or it just falls apart instantly
latent orchid
Expel light still gives probs even desyncing, on 18+ tyr
fringe marten
How does the desync work? (wondering if it's something I'm not doing..or already doing?)
winged marsh
latent orchid
Seen a few ways. safest and most consistent I found is t hold her middle on pull. She will sanctify, keep her mid until 7 lightning stacks then move her to holy side.
warm plinth
Speaking of stacks, anyone have success getting her stacks to show on ElvUI?
I've tried adding it to my filters and everything and I can't seem to get it to show up
latent orchid
That is super clean, Fury. Going to try that
winged marsh
just the first video I found
I know my tank does it another way but it doesnt always work
ima link it to her too
latent orchid
The way I mentioned is consistent but it also stacks up her holy during sanc, so the expel light can still suck. May explain issues I have
winged marsh
shame this week sucks so much ๐คท๐ผ
round hornet
ye elvui is really annoying that they add a ton of filters on important info
might be fine for mong dps, but not seeing stacks of things on target or focus gets hella annoying
warm plinth
I can see a lot of things that are useful. That's the only thing I can really think of that's missing from it that isn't easily added
warm plinth
Oh it's not. I'm a basic bitch when it comes to UI
I have a few WA that I use on this particular toon but my warrior is basically this with nothing else lol
sick sentinel
nearly same lol i just like clean look with only hp bars and WA
latent orchid
I could get in on that. Use bartender set up similarly
junior ivy
where do you guys kleep like
your mounts
and consumables?
whenever i see these compact minimnalist UIs
i wonder that
i have 5 bars dedicated to.. not combat stuff
timid jay
I have mine on a hidden bar that shows up on mouseover
timid jay
Pots/mounts I have keybpund though
junior ivy
i tried opie and it messed up my game cause i kept picking keys that were supposed to do something else
so then id go to do the other thing and remember i rebound it to opie
like m for mounts, then i need to look at map.. woops
undone sun
lol
timid jay
"only"
broken kite
What the fuck happened
broken kite
๐ ๐ ๐
junior ivy
ughh i havent done my +15 yet this week
timid jay
:see_no_evil: 186 addons
junior ivy
im kinda sad i got invited to mythic tos group
ready to start
then they see a 975 tank in the queue so they kick me
๐ฆ
i thought my ilvl was pretty high at 965
junior ivy
and all i cared about was thea chievements
achievements*
tryin to build uyp my achievement pts til im #1 in guild
currently 10th
unacceptable
glacial sage
How many do you need?
glacial sage
same
junior ivy
and WoD ๐ฆ
warm plinth
Do we have a vanity link for this discord?
warm plinth
Thanks
Ran into a newbie warrior in LFR and directed them here and the vanity links are much easier lol
undone sun
yeh
junior ivy
female goblins have funny voices
they sound like theyre from new jerseuy
i just had to be a goblin for a scenario
junior ivy
had to be goblin for scenario
main lava
Would you drop 45 ilvl on a T20 tier chest for the same chest but with avoidance?
I feel like it's a bit too much to drop but other tanks swear avoidance is bis ๐
warm plinth
Avoidance is mainly a perk, not something to really drop a ton of ilevel for.
A little would be fine, but I wouldn't drop 45 ilevels
main lava
yeah I think it's extreme
warm plinth
It's not a necessary stat
main lava
I know it's good for argus and aggramar but still
he just lacks avoidance overall. Although the most lucky warri ever with 965 t20 chest, 955 legs with socker, 930 with socket and shoulders with socket ๐คท
rancid pond
is the riftworld codex any good warriors?
undone sun
okay for aoe in keystones but not for st
rancid pond
kk ty
dark junco
little rain
I don't really find you need avoidance for aggramar but I would definitely keep a keen eye out for some pieces to avoidance cap for argus, just getting the rings from Seat is worth almost 10%
merry cave
Hey guys not sure if this has been asked today yet, but the 930 yogg saron trinket with 4k armour on use has no cd on tooltip. Has anyone recieved it and can confirm/deny this?
seems kinda strong if its got no cd lol
timid jay
If it's the royal seal I'd assume it keeps its original 2min CD
junior ivy
guild raid tonight we had to give up on argus heroic. and call the raid.
after like 10 wipes
we;ve killed him 3 other times
im confused
warm plinth
Unfortunately people still have to do mechanics properly to kill the boss. A lot of people get lax on focus on rekills
warm plinth
Just PUG normal; still get a chance for AV and you still get the trinket upgrade thing right? And it's easier if you don't actually need loot from him.
warm plinth
Don't think there's really any requirement. I would avoid melee but that's about it
I always avoid melees in Maw if I can help it; too much cleave damage
junior ivy
whos good at explosive?
warm plinth
Don't think there's really a bad ranged spec for orbs. Boomkins are probably really good, and hunters
Both have instants that will 1-shot them at 15
I do a lot of orbs myself as a warrior too. SS and autos do a pretty decent job and I'm pretty sure I still 1-shot them with an auto at that level
junior ivy
i have a dh, a dk, a ret pally
and a resto druid
all melee...
lol
but they had highest m+ scores
undone sun
2nd boss? no
merry cave
I did a maw 21 last week and dont have pants, you'll be fine
junior ivy
i got stuck in the cage after 1st boss
im panicking
,major panick
panic
trhis is bad
help...
im literally
freaking stuck
๐ฆ
there goes my +15
has this everh appene dto anyone?
undone sun
can't say that it has
junior ivy
i cant get out.
i reloaded
i disabled every7 addon
reloaded again
nothing works
im stuck in the cage
it wont even let me hearth
i guess this is my life now
orchid sand
Cat? sa similar thing happened to me in NL +10. The hole you fall through after 3rd boss has water that i got stuck in and tried everything to get out. Tried reloading . Also quit app. Restrted pc. Finally after 35 miniutes I logged in to find group all still there waiting next to last boss.
orchid sand
Ir surprised the hell out of me after 35 min they were all still there
it was pug too
-1
get after it go again ๐
junior ivy
nice how did it go?
orchid sand
I made some macros from old ones i used in am mop raid for the Guardians.
I am half blind and the 3 macxros helped me out alot
junior ivy
thats good!
orchid sand
/targetexact Noura, Mother of Flames
/cast [exists] Taunt
/targetexact Diima, Mother of Gloom
/cast [exists] Taunt
/targetexact Asara, Mother of Night
/cast [exists] Taunt
brave halo
950 Riftworld's Codex vs. 930 Dilma's?
undone sun
diimas
strong hill
@junior ivy same thing happened to a dps in a m+ i was running months ago in maw. He logged out and back in and it fixed it. reload did nothing
junior ivy
aaand now the cos 17 fell apart at second boss
this week sucks
what are invis potions called?
crystal night
My guild has me assigned as the tank cheese for mythic Varimathras necrotic embracer. Any suggestions?
on legendaries **
for that role
undone sun
offensive build
nothing life threatening
SR for when you spawn the add
legs aren't needed
junior ivy
so im in brh 15. first boss, of course, everyone but me dies after his soul burst thingy
but somehow i manage to solo him, EASILY
then hes at 1%
and i get knocked into his aoe
and die
after spending like 10+ minutes soloing him
im very mad
tiny sphinx
you have to log out to fix the stuck in cage thing in maw
crystal night
@undone sun THanks dad
tiny sphinx
is Thyme a dad? i'd bet he is, having the patience of a saint and all
undone sun
nope
tiny sphinx
work tech support? RN? what powers gives you such zen
brave halo
Should I be using Dilma's on cooldown, since it would have 20% uptime? I get that I could save it for a boss mechanic, but I already have so many other CDs available for that.
warm plinth
On an ST boss, I would imagine a DPS trinket would be more useful to you than Diima's if you don't feel the need for the CD defensively. I might be wrong though. I don't think Diima's damage really excels on ST (again, could be wrong).
brave halo
ST?
warm plinth
single target
brave halo
Ahh
warm plinth
As a warrior you can just use Spell Reflect and you'll be fine; cuts it by 50%
Unless you're doing like a 25 tyrannical (and probably even then), that should be enough
junior ivy
i wasnt dying but all the dpos and healers were
dps
but we finally finished
30 mins past timer
brh 15 ugh
warm plinth
Yeah, it's tyrannical. And if you die to the first volley, it's pointless to battle rez anyone because they won't get the buff and they'll just die again to the next swarm/volley
junior ivy
took 3 hours to finally get my +15 done
warm plinth
Every spec has a defensive that will keep them alive for that first volley, and then after that the healer just has to make sure to heal whoever has the swarm on them
And DPS need to kill the swarm asap
brave mauve
Solo tanked normal dogs tonight. That was something.
warm plinth
๐
Do the maws sync up pretty well on that?
So you can block both with 1 charge?
brave mauve
I honestly had no idea. We were stacking them, other tank tripped on a banana peel. Sort of just panicked and figured out from 90% onward
warm plinth
Eek lol
broken kite
already brez a dps or? xD
brave mauve
Yep!
brave halo
Recommended trinkets for M+? I know I could switch them per boss, but that's a little too tedious for me, so I know I won't do that.
Dilma's value is typically based on tanking 50% of the time, so I'm guessing DMD is better.
But in answering the question, assume I have access to all trinkets.
Just looking for a general set for M+
warm plinth
It's a bit hard to give recommendations with that criteria Rek because there are a lot of amazing M+ trinkets that just aren't good for bosses. If you're looking for general purpose trinkets, haste or mastery sticks are your best bet.
next goblet
why do i see so many warriors rocking indom?
warm plinth
That being said, DMD isn't bad for trash or bosses, so you could use that.
Probably because they've never been in this Discord
next goblet
i honestly cant think of a time where indom > devastator
warm plinth
Or they use the icy-veins guide
Which says, and I quote "The best talent choice in this tier depends on how the encounter will be played out, but we feel that Indomitable Icon Indomitable is a good default choice when you are starting out."
next goblet
oof
warm plinth
And it doesn't say anywhere that Devastator is way better. It says even when you're used to Devastator, you can make the choice yourself.
next goblet
i mean i see some of these warriors outgearing me (which im not stupid geared.. only 945 with my 4p/2p) still rocking indom...
warm plinth
Yeah, it's just a matter of where they're getting their information from.
It says someone named Vlad wrote the guide, and Treckie approved it
next goblet
i know if i tank with an indom tank, they better throw taunt in their rotation lol
warm plinth
I know who Treckie is but not Vlad
fallow knot
They aren't entirely wrong. A starting out prot warrior is probably bad enough to know to use shield block so they'll get chunked quickly... Of course indom will only delay the inevitable in that case by one or two autos lol
But a starting out prot warrior that even knows about icy veins probably knows to use shield block so I dunno. That guide is so bad
next goblet
its only decent for statting
next goblet
... wut
warm plinth
And that's a community manager telling them that
fallow knot
Ugh
warm plinth
So there's that too
next goblet
glad i dont use icyveins, if i have questions i ask a discord
warm plinth
I used icy-veins guides before I knew about Discord. Discord wasn't a thing before my last WoW break
And before that I think it was Noxxic or something
next goblet
i only used icyveins to get an idea on how to stat, never talents, i went to youtube to talents and gameplay
fallow knot
Noxxic. Mm those we're the days. I think that site is still around
warm plinth
It is, and it's generally distrusted
At least people have stopped linking their damage rankings
fallow knot
That's unfortunate
warm plinth
All the resources we have now weren't really that easily accessible back in the day
I used to scour the Elitist Jerks forums for hours trying to find an answer to a question because I didn't want to post and get the inevitable super-toxic response.
fallow knot
Man you're bringing back all the wrong memories now.. but you're right. Ej was frustrating
brave halo
Why is Aggramar's Conviction so bad? It sounds pretty decent, especially after upgrading.
Health buff, versatility proc and full heal doesn't sound so terrible.
What am I missing?
undone sun
it's not terrible, has a bunch of main stat but defensively it's not good to rely on procs
brave mauve
@brave halo
Diima' s is very strong for the snare and armor in almost all situations for m+. Riftworld Codex is generally a mandatory equip on trash. Felhounds Eye trinket I find to be very strong on bosses, especially paired with diimas. I personally love ampoule of pure void, especially for gargantuan pulls.
fringe adder
What's so special about Riftworld on trash?
undone sun
procs on damage taken, you taken damage more often during aoe
granted that's when they're all attacking you like keystones
brave mauve
What thyme said
brave halo
@fringe adder Also the damage proc heals you based on the damage it does
fringe adder
Noted
brave halo
So more mobs hitting you = more damage = more healing
brave halo
@brave mauve Do you think Diima's is better than Immortality for M+? Since most of the rankings for Diima's calculates its effectiveness on tanking 50% of the time, I was thinking Immortality would be better.
warm plinth
Don't think you really use Diima's for the same purpose as you do DMDI
royal cobalt
You're supposed to taunt swap P3 imonar (heroic) to reduce the # of stacks right
First time I've heard a tank said youre not supposed to
warm plinth
Well, not to reduce them but to keep them at a lower point as much as possible iirc, since they don't disappear anymore
The raid takes damage based on tank stacks I believe, so you can swap once and then probably just take them until you die
royal cobalt
Yeah
warm plinth
But I've never done it tbh so I'm speaking from what I've read, which I could be mistaken on lol
royal cobalt
I've always swapped til stacks build evenly
Never solo'ed
More stacks = more people getting hit
warm plinth
Yeah, seems more dangerous to do it without swapping at all
brave halo
Not to mention tank cooldowns are less effective with no swaps
warm plinth
You guys kill Imonar doing it his way?
warm plinth
Seems so risky though
royal cobalt
i have never ever done it that way
kind glen
I had to do that on our last kill because the other tnak died.
It's not ideal
Wow caps
prisma crane
@brave mauve i'd use the aggramar's trinket over eye for M+
and don't forget that Diima's does a ton of damage when paired with BC and larger pulls
formal abyss
๐ new to warrior, i'm trying to decide between defensive and offensive traits for crucible tier 3. I looked at the guides for which are best but most of the time would you go for one of the 2nd best defensives over the best offensives? (I know it isn't really comparable and depends on needs)
undone sun
depends on the content you run
prisma crane
tbh, if i didnt have bastion, i'd almost always go with dmg options
formal abyss
looking at m+ mainly
formal abyss
๐ tyvm, yea no luck getting bastion so far :p
prisma crane
defensively though, it's worth huge amount of ilvl, like, 80+ worth
formal abyss
๐ฎ
prisma crane
yes, that too, subsequent bastions are worth more and more
sick sentinel
what is the spawn behaviour of the add on varimathras mythic?
prisma crane
spawns when tank walks out after necro
sick sentinel
the positioning of it tho
solid mist
what's the point where ilvl beats out stats? +15? +20?
sick sentinel
does the add spawn behind the person who triggers the add is what im trying to get at
alone in the darkness
prisma crane
are you not having the tank escort?
sick sentinel
yeah the tank escorts it
prisma crane
it just spawns near them
sick sentinel
but they are still gonna get hit by alone in the darkness when the people they escorted go back in
prisma crane
well you escort back to group
sick sentinel
ye
prisma crane
then go out to drop the necro
yea they always get hit by alone
it's escort out, then drop stacks to tank, then escort back in, then run out to drop the stacks, thats when add spawns
sick sentinel
ye we got it figured out i was just curious about the spawning spot of the add
luckily im not the one escorting
prisma crane
we just have it roughly at the other stack point from the raid
vale burrow
Hello:) 4t20 very important? Or just 2t21? Mannoroth + kakushan, thundergod or wallsfel? Check lot of logs and all people kakushan+thundergod+2t21. Why?
Thundergod wallsfell not better?
(Argus raid, normal and heroic)
Ty <3
ember arrow
logs are dps, 4pt20 is defensively for more cds
undone sun
it's not necessary, just noteable strong defensively
safe parrot
just go with t21 2p, and use highest IL, in hc/normal the danger of being dead is easily elimanted by well managed cooldowns, mostly heroic though
vale burrow
And best lego? Mannoroth the best def lego, and second? Kakushan and wallsfell good t21, thunder good range generator
brave shale
I have the same question: What Legendary combo would you run for raids and mythic+?
timid jay
@vale burrow kakushans is stronger than twf, main reason it was used is the tier combo that doesn't allow you to use kaku
vale burrow
@timid jay thank you ๐
subtle adder
Does Khaz'Goroths work with prot? I know the fiery auto attacks does but i havent seen the other part kick in
zealous ore
Half proc chance half dmg afaik
timid jay
It does work, kinda shitty stealing procs though
zealous ore
Now that's a new one
subtle adder
my deeps > other peoples deeps
zealous ore
"stealing" procs that wouldn't have been procs in the first place if you hadnt worn the trink
timid jay
If you have a few khaz, then chances are that you'll take procs from melee DPS. Besides running aggramars will be a lot more procs for the raid
zealous ore
Yes
warm plinth
gilded wedge
Thanx
subtle adder
that just means there will be more procs with more dps trinkets
warm plinth
I think procs have to be triggered by 4 unique buffs though don't they?
timid jay
Say that you have 2 agi dps, 2 healer, 2 caster and 3 str dps ones before you equip your str dps one
Then you'll just spread out the str dps empowerment even further, since chances are that that isnt a limiting factor for any empowerment
Say that you equip aggramars, chances are that you'll always empower when it procs then
If you have few str dps trinkets then it would mostly contribute more than "stealing" but the tank trinket will always be the most powerful when it comes to raid procs since you wont have more than 2
gilded wedge
Wish off these legendaries should I equip? Prydaz, ararats bloodmirror, destiny driver, timeless stratagem, insignia of the grand army.
warm plinth
Destiny Driver and Ararat's probably, just for the stats
None of those legendaries are very good
Ararat's has usefulness on certain fights
gilded wedge
Got nothing else atm. I know wrist and ring are good together but don't have either.
warm plinth
I mean, the upside is you can really only go up from here
gilded wedge
True just got prydaz from the vendor today
warm plinth
The only other meh one you could get would be Aggramar's Stride
gilded wedge
Probably gonna be the next one I'm getting. ๐คฃ
warm plinth
I'm glad you said it because I was thinking about it ๐
old zephyr
My First one was TWF il was pretty Happy (only have the quest ring Besides it yet)
warm plinth
I wouldn't be super psyched about soul either if you plan on getting T21 at any point
I got TWF as my first as well, but T21 wasn't a thing yet
And it was generally not used
gilded wedge
I just retooled from brm monk. My first legendaries for it were bis.
warm plinth
Nice, shoulders/chest? I don't even know what's BiS for them these days
gilded wedge
Shoulder and chest for offensive and ring and bracers for defensive.
warm plinth
What do the bracers do again? I'm assuming by ring you mean the stagger ring
gilded wedge
Yes not the talent ring.
timid jay
Was about to throw a fit before I noticed you were talking about monks
junior igloo
Bracers give more brews from dodges, so you could consider them on fights with high uptime like Aggramar
warm plinth
Ah
shadow cypress
so i have a question. I have a 935 Diima and a 945 apocalypse drive. which do you guys reccomend using? (pantheon trink is in other slot)
cosmic cargo
depends if apoc is fully consumed i'd assume
shadow cypress
im guessing apoc would be useful on fights like dogs and coven, because its mostly melee
and getting hit constantly
undone sun
Hounds are mostly magic
As is coven
Apoc shines on aoe and Aggramar
shadow cypress
see, thats where i get confused, all the breakdowns i have seen of damage types for hounds and coven say melee, with thier abilities being magic
cosmic cargo
one of the coven bosses doesn't even melee
junior igloo
2
shadow cypress
might be mis-remembering that then, lemme look at the tank notes thing again
yeah, i was remebering that wrong, lol
i think i need coffee
junior igloo
Tanks generally take most of their damage from autoattack because there are many of them.
Even if there is a big magic attack, it will only come once every 30 seconds or something. Melee is coming in every 1.5 or 2 seconds.
Overall Diima's and Apocalypse are similar trinkets (on-use trinkets reducing physical attacks). Diima's is a little better on tank-swap fights (to let cooldown recharge) while Apocalypse's cooldown will go down faster on a high up-time fight.
For your case I'd say Diima's will give you more dps while Apocalypse will be a bit better defensively.
shadow cypress
considering thier use abilities, that makes sense
cosmic cargo
diima's also has pretty good aoe dps
sick sentinel
Guys. I love my new Ararat's! Finally i can totally fck up my rotation and dont care. ๐ ๐
old zephyr
Warrior at it's finest
broken anvil
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask. Mythic Argus. DK+Pally+(Warrior Vs. Bear)
10 ilvl bump worth bringing main warrior over alt bear for third slot(stampede)?
timid jay
Guessing that double SB + insignia
sick sentinel
@ember arrow true that, but see.. i dont have mannoroth's yet and when i wanted some def-utilty in Raid i just had AHR or TWF besides Kaku's on default
ember arrow
i do 1.2 mil dps