You get a buff for your next IP
#protection
soft condor
prisma crane
that buff stacks too btw
timber snow
in that case, thats terribly good
soft condor
yes, just like so many other places where the wording absolutely implies something different in wow^^
junior ivy
im gonna cry this is like my 4th or 5th week WITHOUT AN UPOGRADE IN MY CHEST
why do you hate me blizzard
soft condor
You're probably just too well equipped @junior ivy
old zephyr
isn't chest supposed to be tomorrow?
prisma crane
NA
old zephyr
oh right
prisma crane
soft condor
noice, for all that juice free revenge from crit shieldblocks, oh wait.
junior ivy
i got maw 15
soft condor
shield slams
pure cobalt
Any of the ulduar TWing trinks good?
junior ivy
i knew this week would be explosive
soft condor
Royal Seal maybe, but i can't see the CD on it
junior ivy
omg omg is this week ulduar tw?!?!
graceful dagger
Any thoughts on The Walls Fell vs. Soul of the Battlelord? Just got TWF today.
soft condor
Pretty much TWF, especially with 2p21
stark sage
TWF is BiS if you have the tier combo
graceful dagger
Yeah I have t21 2 piece
timid jay
Bis with t20 4p + t21 2p
With only t21 2p its strong, not bis. Gloves/bracers are stronger
graceful dagger
I have belt right now to pair with it. I've had no luck yet getting the bracers or gloves :/
timid jay
Its still a solid combo
graceful dagger
ok sweet, thanks for the input
junior ivy
so it is ulduar tw week right?
timid jay
Would assume it is
junior ivy
thats one of the best things blizz ever could have done
timid jay
"New Events in WoW for February 13: Wrath of the Lich King Timewalking, Ulduar Timewalking"
Just check #news
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
junior ivy
yay
soft condor
1/3 chance on Kakushan's for the next legendary...
junior ivy
good luck
soft condor
So, how do I optimize my legendary bad luck protection? I still have prydaz in the pool and it would count towards an Arms legendary as well, wouldn't it? Got a 2/3 on prot legendary with AHR in the mix.
I'd buy before getting another drop, I believe, so I can get prydaz out of the drop rotation and can only get prot legendaries on drop next
So the bad luck protection on second spec arms stays good?
soft condor
What do you want to roll for? Kin relic, coven/aggra trinket, anything else?
stark sage
eonar has well statted loot, ring chest helm
soft condor
I remember doing iskar in HFC three times a week for bonusrolls on the trinket
soft condor
coven
soft condor
hehe, we have two solid kills on argus but only one terrible kill on coven so far on hc
junior ivy
we hnave 3 kills on argus heroic now
0 on coven
i personally have 1 from runninf with another guild
but my guild has 0
soft condor
but 945 is already heroic level, so you'd have to get pretty lucky either way
junior ivy
true
but all my gear is pretty high ilvl
its jsut the neck and shoulders that are under 945
soft condor
imonar would have mastery/versa pauldrons
And vari has a very sexy haste/mastery necklace
rich swallow
so my guild just downed mythic varimathras last night, what do you guys think of our kill vid? i think the intro is very fitting :)
soft condor
there's #promotion ๐
rich swallow
yeah got it brah
soft condor
So I tried watching the video and when I switched to full screen I couldn't interact with the player and had to forcefully shut down my discord.
soft condor
I'll try that next, yes
sick sentinel
is the IP cap based off of your hp and vers only or are there others
soft condor
no
IP cap is 3 times the value of your current IP ability
So it changes according to your stats
soft condor
how does it scale with hp? It's AP, Vers and special buffs explicitely for IP
sick sentinel
Okay, i'm trying to quantify the value i'm getting from swapping prydaz for boots
whatever stat change is occuring is giving me a 600k higher cap on IP
(so 200k higher per IP)
stark sage
probably the strength
soft condor
wowhead states [(22.3) * Attack power * (1 + Versatility)] on http://www.wowhead.com/spell=190456/ignore-pain obviously there's still weapon traits and possibly talents
especially Concordance can skyrocket your ip cap
sick sentinel
Yeah I've noticed that and track it for knowing when i can use another IP and gain from it
but without any additional buffs it's just going from 3.9 to 4.5mil on the cap, and then i'm just trying to justify to myself whether that's worth dropping prydaz for
soft condor
equip it for your raid's sake
stark sage
its not terrible
sick sentinel
Thanks for the help btw, much appreciated
junior ivy
i use aggramas conviction as my main trinkjet
soft condor
I wouldn't touch it outside of Antorus
junior ivy
i like the ilvl ๐ฆ
soft condor
yeah, if you would get anything for that itemlevel it would be great
it's just a bunch if strength
sick sentinel
yeah, it seems fairly underwhelming and I don't think that they will ever buff it
what's the recommendation for prot trinkets then? Darkmoon Deck: Immortality still a good shout?
soft condor
compared to 20m absorb or 10k versatility or something that's just sad
junior ivy
i think dimas and apoc drive are both good
soft condor
there's alist pinned
diimas, darkmoon, shivermaw, the trinket from aggramar, stuff like that
west kayak
Just got an Ember of Nullification 960 w/Leech.
soft condor
I'm happy with my 910 shivermaw, it's just really solid
ember arrow
i dont really like it tbh
its useless when not used
i pref constant benefits or thigns that proc often
stam trinkets make u take more dmg
unborn island
I like the Aggramar trinket, proc isn't amazing, but love the strength ๐
unborn island
is it that high now?
unborn island
thought it was like 4k with 20-25% uptime, I'd believe it's higher ๐
ember arrow
its really good idk about the hate for it
unborn island
I always use it
unborn island
i don't really do content where I die, so anything with an absolute bucket of strength is boss for me
ember arrow
i did brh 23, if u fuck up 1 metigation check
gg
otherwise no dmg
was 0 times below 35%
unborn island
^^ if you fuck that up, you die, trinket won't save you ๐
unborn island
my general view on warrior tanking is that we're awesome, but when we fail, we just go splat
ember arrow
if u REALLY get oneshot, nothing saves u
unborn island
I'm happy with that ๐
ember arrow
my concordance
is 13300
up both at once is basically a def cd
and spread out good general DR
also u said if u fuck up we die
thats true
but
unborn island
so that's why i'm invincible in the first 12 seconds of a pull in M+, that, plus DS + diimas ๐
ember arrow
u have guides, u can read what mobs/bosses do
u can evaluate what u have
also u dont do m+23 first tiem brh
ember arrow
its not about perfect
wow is predictable
if u find the right way to play a certain pull or boss
and u do that 100% of time u pass it 100% of time
unborn island
but you need to do it 100% of the time, that's playing perfect, right?
ember arrow
not really
tanks dont ahve that many buttons
warr prob more that most
bear, dk, monk
ehh
m+ is more about knowledge
i mean KNAWLEDGE
unborn island
I know, but the problem is, you can have as much knowledge as you want, but if you execute incorrectly, you still die ๐
vast sedge
๐
unborn island
knowing what to do doesn't guarantee you'll always do it
ember arrow
skill but no knowledge on appropriate content will get u killed
otherway around not necesarily
unborn island
completely agree
ember arrow
not everything in wow is intuitive
why is a sword slash(dark slash) magic dmg
why can u block 3rd boss berh charge but 2nd boss cathedral runs strait tru u
unborn island
that's even more weird seeing as they're brothers
ember arrow
yes exactly
thats why knowledge ism ore important usually
if i play coen first time a boss starts charging
tank instinct says
PING stand infront of teammate
boom dead
oh..
@unborn island u prob noticed on progress as a tank, usually u die maybe first few tries, after that its boring until dps stop dying, for tanks, espacially raids, are predictable
sick sentinel
I'll stick to aggramar's since its what I got
not sure if its worth upgrading though
junior ivy
what ilvl gear does ulduar tw drop
jade socket
@junior ivy 930
soft condor
Why would you argue for planning ahead on your fights and then devalue on use in favour of constant effects, @ember arrow
especially with the knowledge on effective points on use shines over constant or even proc based mechanics. As you can pick the points of most impact, where constant effects loose budget on less critical phases
unborn island
@ember arrow definitely correct. (Although I don't raid mythic because of time constraints, i'm fairly sure that's exactly what would happen if I did ๐ )
junior ivy
ty Vil
fathom gust
This is possibly a stupid question, but is their a way to make AskMrRobot to take into account using Tier 20 and Tier 21 for the advantages listed in BastionOfDefence and the 7.3 Prot guide? Other than just locking certain items?
stark sage
AMR ๐คข
stark sage
i would never use it, i know some people swear by it but they tend to be trash at the game
stark sage
gearing as prot is pretty basic as it is, bastion is best defensive relic regardless of ilvl. for gear if you run the tier combo its pretty much bis for defense, else equip ilvl > haste > mast > verse
tiny sphinx
most prot war's gear is fine even by accident, it's their talent choice that makes me vomit a lot of the time
stark sage
oh yeah
fathom gust
yeah so I've been learning, I just tried AMR again recently to see what it might say and it seems to just goes for different legendary recoomendations and gives up on haste priority, so I ignored it
stark sage
i see bad talents too often
fleet galleon
Saw a pug tank in M+ with Indom when I was playing Fury. Left that group on the spot
ember arrow
@soft condor because stamina trinkets make u take more dmg
i find constant benefits more useful, on use trinkets i only use vs oneshots
no trinkets will make or break certain parts of dungeons, raids
and if there are, shivermaws isnt one of them
its usually absorb trinkets, and the like
@fathom gust well simming for us is generally unreliable at best
regardless of the progrem youre using
even wit proper implementation of tier, and leggos, lack of RFDT will still yield unreliable results
fathom gust
thanks, that makes sense when you put it that way
soft condor
i didn't try to argue for stamina trinkets. But on use in general. I really like shivermaw for that massive vers boost but i definitely wouldn't default to it.
ember arrow
im not implying u did, but unless a on use trink will carry me tru a mechanic i dont use it
even then, warr got so many cds
soft condor
Hmm, I can accept that point of view
diimas 20% dmg reduction is awesome, for example
ember arrow
if a trink on use makes me think "i can use it on cd i guess, or not"
then its not a good on use
my thoughts basically
20%?
ima log on warr and see
without diimas i got 10309 armor (58.25% DR)
with diimas i got 14587 armor (66.37% DR)
thats hardly 20%. diimas is more for the dps
ember arrow
what
timid jay
19.5%
ember arrow
is it counted as
timid jay
(1-0.6637)/(1-0.5825)=0.80550898203
ember arrow
why is it not 8%
soft condor
i'm at 58.05 to 66.00 % reduction, that's damage taken from 41.95 to 34.00 - or about an .83 multi, so more 17% for me, still great
unborn island
I love Diima's, although it's mostly for the massive Iceblast which does millions of damage ๐
ember arrow
ye i pulled 12 mil aoe on that
im not impressed by its defensive properties though
if i need armor i take dmd
if i need armor slightly less i take eye of fharg
soft condor
what cosmo wrote - it's a dmg multiplier of .805, or (1-0.195) - so it's 19.5% "reduction"
unborn island
massive pull, pop it, along with DS + BS + whatever else, get an extra 20% dmg reduction, all mobs die in that 12 seconds, that's why I like it ๐
fuck me I need to stop overusing smileys
ember arrow
stacking cds
meh
physical dmg is significantly less ofa prob for us
than magic
do a high arcway then do a high brh
u will be fine without diimas on big pulls
timid jay
Lets say you take 100 damage pre mitigation, with 58.25% armor you take:
100*(1-0.5825)=41.75 damage
With Diimas active you had 66.37% armor meaning you take:
100*(1-0.6637)=33.63 damage
And so the damage reduction increase is:
33.63/41.75=~0.8
Meaning you take 80% of the damage you did before diimas, or 20% DR as its normal put as
fluid compass
what should my uptime be on ignore pain / shield block be most of time?
thorny laurel
quick question: I am on add duty on mythic vari, but where the add spawns is random right? Cuz sometimes it spawns behind me and sometimes in front of me
winged marsh
ive always had it spawn beside me as I move away from the group
maybe a tiny bit behind me
I try to hug vari as I move out so hopefully the spawn stays relatively close to the boss
fluid compass
should i be trying to pool rage to get a bigger IP or using it whenever possible? assuming i'm not going to die while pooling rage
ember arrow
dont pool rage
u get no benefit of using IP at 60 rage unless u got drago nscale proc
fluid compass
cool ty
junior ivy
is there a wayt to easily see who is killing explosives and who isnt?
i wanna start calling people out.. lol after attempting CoEN at +14 and wiping like 6 times before going up the first set of stairs
junior ivy
yeah are hunters good at it?
ember arrow
any class wit medium dmg often available skills
junior ivy
i'll try to get a hunter from my guild for my maw + 15
ember arrow
we are good at it too
junior ivy
pretty sure in that cath run i was the only one killing them
junior ivy
guess i just gotta be pickier about who i do m+s with this week
ember arrow
our lord and savior is typing
fierce juniper
@ember arrow It's worth noting that the DR listed on the character sheet for armor is for 110 attackers. i.e. not bosses. You need to use the k value for 113 (boss) attackers, which is 8164.
So the DR you get from Diimas is slightly less than what was said above.
Without - 10309 / (10309 + 8164) = ~55.8% DR
100 * (1 - 0.558) = 44.2
With - 14587 / (14587 + 8164) = ~64.1% DR
100 * (1 - 0.641) = 35.9
35.9 / 44.2 = 81.22% damage taken
So in your case it provided ~18.78% DR.
Small difference obviously, but can still make a difference if you're trying to figure out if you'll live something or not.
ember arrow
i agree my dmg reduction was incorrect
although i dont think physical dmg reduction is relevant enough to specifically equip something for it
bleeds are one of biggest problems, but theyre not reduced by armor so
thats where the majority of my point was aimed towards
fierce juniper
What do you mean physical damage reduction isn't relevant enough?
ember arrow
i never found physical dmg a big issue on m+ or in raids
bleeds or heavy magic dmg trash (arcway)
fierce juniper
The vast majority of tank damage is physical. So it is 100% relevant and worth gearing around.
It doesn't matter what actually kills you generally; by reducing physical damage taken you'll be able to survive things like bleeds and magic damage more easily.
That's why trinkets such as DMD: I are so strong.
ember arrow
why not equip dmd wit eye of fharg
if armor is that important for certain moment
i usually kill around what kills me
if i take 50 mil from melees that do 1mil on average but take 20mil from a magic source that kills me
i egar around the magic source
fierce juniper
That's dumb.
Also Eye of Fharg in particular isn't an amazing trinket.
DMD: I + Apoc Drive or Diimas would be good if you're really trying to maximize survivability
ember arrow
i dont see the problem, if a particular sourcve of dmg isnt threatening
fierce juniper
If you reduce the primary source of damage, you have more tools/health to deal with the things that may kill you.
ember arrow
do you mean: by reducing phyisical dmg, u got more hp left to take care of the main threat?
ye i typed the same thing
ye that makes sense
fierce juniper
And it's not just about that either, you don't want to feel like paper 90% of the time so you take no damage from non-physical things.
ember arrow
i didnt talk about such situations
i mean ones wherein the physical dmg is barely going tru IP for example
fierce juniper
Yeah, I mean obviously it's all still situational, but for bosses and dungeons, the vast majority of your damage taken is physical.
ember arrow
so does that mean that against physical dmg reduced by armor, diimas is same as DS
-2%
or are cds calculated differently in that case
fluid compass
it is worth it to farm the t20 4pc if im only doing normal/heroic/m+? I understand its really good and worth having the t21 2pc/t20 4pc but is it good enough to the point where its worth farming for the content im doing?
sick sentinel
if you dont have 4pc t20 its ok
just get 2pc and gear up you dont have to use tier combo
its not a must
fierce juniper
No, I wouldn't farm for it.
T21 4pc and the ilvl you get will outweigh heroic T20
west kayak
Gah... got some better ilvl gear but losing haste because of it. Down to 34.5% from 40%. Gaining Vers and a bit of Mastery... and Crit.
ember arrow
and its worth it
west kayak
But I can "feel" the loss of haste. Drives me a bit nuts.
fluid compass
thanks for the help guys
broken kite
fuck me right
broken kite
soft condor
ouch
west kayak
Im still using a 935 ring due to it giving me over 3k haste.
broken kite
fucking RIP
broken kite
im not using anything with 3k crit on it, i don't care about the stamina ๐
west kayak
No way losing 3k haste is gonna be better. At least not for my gameplay.
ember arrow
not stamina
more stats in general
but it will be better
more stats is better for us
ember arrow
whats wrong with that
if u get incompetent people unable to switch orbs
but that is for any key
broken kite
i dislike slowing affixes
ember arrow
how much u pull depends on what trash
not only on affixes
or level
in arcway i advice against pulling multiple packs
in brh its easily doable
tiny sphinx
first boss with maximum adds for fun
junior ivy
lol i dont want "fun" i just wanna not die ๐ฆ
ember arrow
if u can press SR
fresh dragon
@timid jay yo mate i've a question. is there a way to know the combo set from aggramar mythic??
ember arrow
he has few set orders i beleive
he chooses one od them
i dont think its COMPLETELY random
timid jay
there are like 5 different combos
There are some WA's that predict, but imo its a waste of time
stuck plank
main differences between normal/heroic argus? guilds getting to him tonight probably.
round hornet
scythes debuff in the last phase dont go away
you tank until you die
and during the ghost dude phase the sword/2swords move around to different guys so be ready to swap targets and taunt
oh and tanks always get gift iirc
dark junco
round hornet
i've never not seen a tank get gift of the sky or sea iirc in heroic
timid jay
happens to me quite frequently
bold mirage
I feel like everytime the other tank taunts I get one of them
tiny sphinx
wait for 3 stacks, solves so many issues
round hornet
I think whoever isn't tanking gets the gift debuff, in my last log where I solotanked phase 1 my co-tank got every gift
vs my last normal run neither tank got any of the gift debuffs
wide owl
guys
for m+ do you still use t20 4pc+t21 2pc?
I got a full t21 mythic gear, so not sure if its still worth to go with the t20 build
fierce juniper
no
azure dock
no because dmg, and 4 piece t21 is nice on trash
wide owl
aight so the t20 build is mostly for raiding I guess
fierce juniper
Well, more specifically it's for the CDR via AM
wide owl
just finished reading ur guide @fierce juniper nice work
fierce juniper
thanks
wide owl
but since what I want to do as prot is mostly m+
fierce juniper
yeah for m+ just run highest ilvl/t21 4pc
wide owl
aight thanks
btw I noticed u said even for raiding I could just ignore the t20 build if I have high enough antorus gear
I got almost every mythic piece so I guess Iยดll stick with it
mortal hawk
I'm pulling m kingaroth tonight for the first time with a new guild. You guys have any tips or links to helpful guides I can use?
round hornet
like strategy wise?
The fight is almost the same for tanks as in heroic
Just don't kill your raid with balls
fierce juniper
Main thing is to communicate with your co-tank.
Surviving that fights is pretty easy.
You'll sometimes want to hold the boss after taking a forging strike so your co-tank can soak balls coming around (or vice versa)
But yeah for tanks it's not too hard
round hornet
Theres a really nice WA on wago that shows the hp of the lowest person in your raid
to make it ez to tell if your gonna kill someone or not
mortal hawk
Cool thanks. I think I can handle that then
round hornet
just be aware of the debuff that makes ball explotions do more damage
mortal hawk
What order do you kill the adds off usually. Like which do you save for last?
round hornet
red, red, purple, red I think
mortal hawk
50% damage buff to boss eh? Interesting
round hornet
way easier for my raid than dealing with soaking
soaking while balls exist would be pretty awful
winged marsh
its definitely the easiest way to do the boss
long bronze
how should I feel boys
obviously an upgrade but I don't really know how much I should value mastery over vers
warm plinth
More haste and 20 more ilevels? Yes please
I got a 20 ilevel upgrade on my wrists and went from crit/mast to haste>>mast ๐
long bronze
nice!
and cool
also
got enough for my token too
fuck ya boys
also with that neck upgrade my aggramar + sephuz set is at 161% move speed passive haha
sprint animation all day
ember arrow
๐
hallow phoenix
Just got mannoroth's from weekly mythic+ chest
Was gonna buy them today regardless, but was a nice surprise
junior ivy
how do you not go over the edge on lei shen?
also do you onlky get 1 chance at lei shen per week
and if you wipe
its over
no more tries?
broken kite
junior ivy
ty dickballs reloading worked
long bronze
I got 4 trinkets - and they were bloodstained hank, toekee, bloodstained, toeknee
so basically
felt bad
the odds were like wat
final agate
Is there anyone that can look at my gear and perhaps some logs and help me out?
long bronze
is there a particular fight you're having trouble with?
final agate
yessir, coven and portal keeper, getting gibbed during movement
long bronze
so coven.. what legos are you using?
broken kite
use defensives for 3rd fire blade thing
long bronze
So DJ with TWF you'll have SW up for one of the fire swings each time
final agate
i am spoiled by my dk and bear, i think i've grown lazy and now warrior tanking
long bronze
and you should use Spell reflect on the 3rd one
usually I do - take first one
SW 2nd
SR 3rd
final agate
i usually try to time SR with storm/swing
long bronze
you pretty much need to have it for the 3rd fire
misty merlin
long bronze
it hits for like 9 mil +
misty merlin
should i be really happy
final agate
grats spyanide!
long bronze
for m+ you should be pretty happy lol
round hornet
you should be able to taunt every 2 fire blade things on coven
final agate
yeah that's usually where i die, moving to storm, third hit, floor
old zephyr
First NM raid as wartank today went very smoothly thanks to you guys
final agate
that is what we started doing but it makes me feel like a pussy lol
ember arrow
๐
misty merlin
alright ill be happy ๐ณ
ember arrow
why swap at 2?
misty merlin
dont know too much about tanking
round hornet
why take more damage for no reason?
final agate
so i don't die to being terrible on the third hit
long bronze
SR makes the 3rd one pretty unnoticable
final agate
also what trinkets do you recco? i have eye for stam and dilmas
ember arrow
no pantheon?
broken kite
only downside to swapping on 2 is less damage on bosses due to higher immunity uptime
final agate
no such luck this many weeks in
broken kite
so 3 would be better if you can handle it
ember arrow
this is mythic righT?
final agate
yeah i'm aware of the simple git gud factor
long bronze
Dilma's is a fantastic trinket so keep that one
broken kite
but if you keep dying just swap on 2
long bronze
if you don't have panth then you prob should use DMD
ember arrow
if u use SR
long bronze
^
final agate
i do have dmd
final agate
thanks guys
long bronze
stam trinkets outside of majordomos is pretty crap for war
final agate
yeah i don't want to but dps goes waaay down when we wipe
round hornet
its only you losing dps because you take less damage
final agate
but i think this helps
round hornet
?
round hornet
you have a 3rd person hold the purply or green chick
final agate
i've also suggested the 2 1/2 tank strat of a dps tanking shadow
round hornet
and you and the other tank just take turns swapping on red
ember arrow
he didnt say dps tanks purple
final agate
not until third boss jump
long bronze
DJ if you use SW on 2nd fire strike and SR on third you'll be 100% fine
final agate
but then storm is gone
long bronze
I guarantee it
final agate
thanks!
long bronze
at that point if you're still dying you may want to see how long you are waiting in between heals
because it sounds like right now you are just getting 1 shot because of git gud... but proper CD usage will fix that
and then PK, are you switching at 2?
broken kite
feel free to link your logs too ๐
final agate
be gentle, it's a learning raid
junior ivy
btw i forget if i can solo SoO
long bronze
yeah dog ez
junior ivy
ty
long bronze
go fury tho or it will take awhile lol
broken kite
they do
ember arrow
ye except that one
broken kite
last week was a lot better than this week
long bronze
it was supposed to be that last week?
broken kite
last week was meant to be necrotic teeming fort
long bronze
But I think they changed it to not be cuz that's fucking rough
broken kite
but was changed
broken kite
dks would have loved it
long bronze
I got a 16 DHT in my box ... should be pretty ez
cept tree boss
dem balls
18 would have been in the bag last week cat
was an easy weak
long bronze
I mean give it a shot haha
broken kite
@final agate yeah you need to save cooldowns for 3rd strike
long bronze
what do you have to lose
junior ivy
is it a bad week for seat
ember arrow
proper oeakheart fght has no adds
long bronze
swap from female gnome for starters
winged marsh
gnome ๐คข
broken kite
go orc please
long bronze
^
broken kite
#nobias
long bronze
I'm on tich and the lowest ranked arcway was an intime +20
junior ivy
so seat?
broken kite
do 15+ seat in timer = big bump
junior ivy
that seat +13 took 1 hour and 41 minutes.
long bronze
hence why score so low haha
broken kite
only do it with a group that knows it ๐
long bronze
also use the shortcut to 3rd boss
junior ivy
didnt know there was shortcut
long bronze
skips a good chunk of trash
junior ivy
i dont really know seat
long bronze
junior ivy
i was about to say i wish levko was here to see me actually watch a guide
but there you are ๐
junior ivy
im watching a video now!
broken kite
make sure to start watching it on one monitor, then 1 minute in turn away and return your attention to wow
then look back 10 mins later
junior ivy
if only i had 2 monitors
long bronze
I don't think that one has the shortcut in it but another might
that guy is just pretty good from a tank point of view
the shortcut is just an ally on the rigth hand side heading towards boss 3
cuts off all the trash in that broken stairs choke point
broken kite
until a hunter facepulls 3 packs
long bronze
yeah this is why we have the capability to cry
damn one day one of these argus bastion relics is going to titanforge for me
junior ivy
this video is helpful!
long bronze
theres one for each dungeon by the same channel
junior ivy
i like his accent
long bronze
would you guys take a haste primary ring with vers at 930 or a haste primary ring with crit at 940
I'm thinking the 930 but its a hard call
ember arrow
930
broken kite
930
ember arrow
less than 20 ilvl>prio stats
long bronze
perfect thanks gents
over the last 2 weeks I've been able to reitemize from a horrifying 12000 crit to 2000
and it wasn't because I thought crit was good lol
broken kite
Nice ๐
left meteor
Knowing you would hurt yourself defensively swapping your 925 relic for a 950 just because it doesn't have Bastion monkaS
long bronze
yeah doesn't feel great
okay is there any rhyme or reason for the freakin antorus mission table quest?
I haven't gotten one it what feels like 2 weeks
long bronze
I keep getting a tomb one ๐ฆ
left meteor
I cba doing the tomb one tbh even though I should for the bonus roll ๐คท
languid rose
if you finish them at the same time you'll have the tomb and the antorus pop up at the same time
left meteor
Mine is Host
languid rose
it's not an either or thing
left meteor
Well I'll keep my 900 Bastion Relic in my bag for if I ever decide to do more challenging content and need the survivability
long bronze
I would be suprised if you ever got to a point where you needed to downgrade a relic to get past it haha
upper spoke
the UI in that refernce video. so clean
long bronze
not a huge fan of the bar texture lol
upper spoke
i dont use prot warrior weak auras that display my abilities like that. i prefer my bartender-made setup. but id want my health bar displayed that way, near the bottom middle oof my screen
soft condor
any unit frame addon can do something like that, shadowed unit frames for example
or weak auras, obviously
upper spoke
tidy plates?
soft condor
tidy plates is for nameplates of mobs around you, not for your unit frames, as in player / party / target etc.
brave halo
So, I just got the Archimonde trinket. Previous trinkets are 915 Memento of Angerboda and 910 Dominant Gladiator's Insignia of Victory. The only other legendaries I have are Fury pants (910 non-set backup), Fury Cloak (910 non-set backup) and Prydaz (950 backup).
I'm guessing I should wear Archimonde and the Pants (due to stat budget) for my legendaries?
warm plinth
Correct
brave halo
Thank you, Worldcrusher
young marlin
Does armor physical damage reduction apply before or after DR?
prisma crane
doesnt matter
both are multiplicative, order has no significance
unless you're talking a flat # absorb or something, then armor would come first
glacial sage
DR? what is that again?
prisma crane
in this context, damage reduction
glacial sage
okay, ty
prisma crane
can also be diminished returns (stuns, etc)
glacial sage
Is this a good defensive?
prisma crane
for def purposes, only if you use vers food
glacial sage
Yeah, I was planning on vers
prisma crane
for tanks it matches whatever secondary stat food you have on
it's not bad, others are better, but it's not bad
glacial sage
Any situations you can think of yo umught need an extra 8220 versatility?
takes me from 13 to 30
scenic dune
heavy incoming damage my dude
prisma crane
any time you want 8.5% less dmg taken
(though actually a bigger reduction to you)
but prob best used with heavy magic dmg
prisma crane
it'd be stronger then, though i'm not sure when and if vers has DR
scenic dune
so think 3rd stack coven, fellhounds high stacks, imonar second phase
prisma crane
also, it may be overkill then as well, since you'll already have a lot of vers
@stray wedge does vers DR?
prisma crane
rating per % that is
prisma crane
I'm more excited by the 65% dmg increase lol
warm plinth
Yeah, 900 vers per 1% damage reduction RIP
glacial sage
easy'
prisma crane
950 right?
warm plinth
Pretty sure it's 450/900 but I could be off
glad holly
what bosses is apoco drive good on?
glacial sage
Unless you have a bad tank
prisma crane
Kin'garoth can hit pretty hard so it's not bad there
glacial sage
then it's pretty useful
stray wedge
it is 475 / 950
prisma crane
kk so 95k vers, got it
glacial sage
easy
prisma crane
then become invincible
warm plinth
This is like the 102% avoidance back in the day all over again
prisma crane
but realistically, can prob get pretty high within proc windows
warm plinth
Except I guess you technically still took damage then
glacial sage
Just gotta move my haste, crit, and mastery all into vers
glacial sage
Do it for the memes
final mist
glacial sage
95k vers, easy
prisma crane
im gonna go with impossible
glacial sage
I'm gonna go with easy
prisma crane
but i suppose if you extend P1 in argus long enough on normal...
final mist
glacial sage
you doubt me?
prisma crane
he's clearly intrigued
glacial sage
If I can't reach 95k vers I will give you a shiny rock sal
prisma crane
bet that offer is a limited time only
unique salmon
Hey everyone, been running with the manacles and soul of the battlelord for general use (M+ farming and Normal ABT) and just finished off all the warrior legendarys with Kakushan's. How viable are they versus manacles and soul?
prisma crane
much better than soul
soul isnt great with T21 2p, cant effectively weave during BC windows with all the SS spamming
unique salmon
yeah Ive noticed that, gotta waste a global to hit the revenge. I currently play with In For The Kill since I use Devastator and I like it a bit more than Booming Voice.
Into the Fray* sorry was thinking of a different specs talent
sick sentinel
in m+ if you want to use it just use it
but i rather not because you will probably going to use belt in m+ which will reduce the CD of DS alot
amount of rage and damage you will is probably more
unique salmon
No haha I would MUCH rather Kakushans ๐ Having vengence was nice because i felt like i wasnt wasting the talent row in single target fights by having Into the Fray , but I didnt too much care one way or the other for the Vengeance playstyle
sick sentinel
well manacles is good but if its generaly overhealing
in m+ if key is easy i just go kakushan with TGV
or bracers with TGV if im going big pulls
prisma crane
ITF isn't ever worth it
BV or Vengeance, and really only BV once you have 2p T21, and ESPECIALLY BV if you're in M+ and using the belt
prisma crane
that's a new one
quartz smelt
Prydaz or Thundergod?
junior ivy
aslo i have no idea which addon is playing the voiceover of the 'many whelps, handle it' video when i fight onyxia
but its amazing
junior ivy
yup one of my addons plays the audio from it during onyxia fight
lol
at the appropriate times
too
its great
prisma crane
lol, idk if i could stand having that many addons
junior ivy
haha but sometimes i find hidden gems i didnt know i had like that one ๐
prisma crane
touche
sick sentinel
people not taking me to keys because im prot lol
that prot warrior hate is still a thing
junior ivy
sad ๐ฆ
junior ivy
i know. i realized today its beocming an isuse. i was looking for an addon to fix a problem that i noly have because of a different addon
lol
prisma crane
that's probably the best way to do it
prisma crane
and yea @sick sentinel just have to try to keep what good people you know and boost your score, it'll help get into better keys
quartz smelt
Have gloves, Im tierlocked
prisma crane
gloves / TWF / AHR
quartz smelt
4p2p and all
prisma crane
then TWF
quartz smelt
I mean this is my alt
So I wont be doing much progression on it, I just like having it geared ahhaha
TWF seems better for like mythic prog
junior ivy
its your ALT and you managed to get 4p2p?
quartz smelt
Guild does weekly TOS runs and there were no tanks ahhaha
I have a bunch of 915 shit but yea
dawn fractal
what are the M+ affixes this week?
little rain
haste gem or str gem for dmg ๐ค
sick sentinel
this week is bolstering explosive and tyranical i think
im not sure which gem is better for dps
since we cant simc
viscid turtle
hey so on argus his sweeping scythe i was wondering
does shield block actually do anything
or your artifact ability as that
sick sentinel
well its blockable so
viscid turtle
since scythe is physical aoe
sick sentinel
it reduces damage we take from scythe %38 base
not every physical aoe is blockable
and there are magical damage we can block also
check the pins for blockable abilities
junior ivy
I GOT ANTORAN CHARHOUND
twin hazel
debating this crit/vers +15 ilvl ring upgrade vs haste/vers is that stam worth it?
junior ivy
ty ๐
modest crest
Maybe thereโs an add on to make us look like guardian druids or blood DK for m+ group finders
sick sentinel
lol i dont know why people didnt take me all day i just did like two keys
i have okeyish score also 3.2k score should be fine for +20 keys
modest crest
Pugs are cancer, I just try to keep it in guild and just have fun
broken kite
thats why i only run guild or form my own
idk why you'd want to look like a druid for m+ though ๐
modest crest
Idk if they are rated high for m+ actually. Just kinda tired of them being the best at everything. I personally think wars are solid at m+ bc of our dps and some class utility stuff
sick sentinel
druids are not good in m+ tho
not blood dk or vdh good
we are probably better then them
broken kite
druids were good for brez, but since the changes they lost value
sick sentinel
yeah also magic damage fucks them
and we can reflect lots of abilities in m+bosses
modest crest
So blood DK are good for m+? Thatโs my alt and heโs almost ready to start
broken kite
bdk and vdh are top for m+
sick sentinel
well until +23 or +24 keys it shouldnt matter
modest crest
I struggle with the lack of mobility on him but enjoy it so far
sick sentinel
but yes vdh and blood dk they both pretty good for m+
warm plinth
@little rain Strength is better for damage than haste. So you want one str gem and the rest haste.
high citrus
is AskMrRobot useless now? It's telling me to gem/enchant straight mastery on my character
I was under the impression haste was much better
high citrus
OK, cool. I haven't played since MoP
so I was wondering wtf was going on
Do you guys look at armories at all? Was trying to use AMR to figure out if I was ready to do normal Antorus or some mythic+ dungeons
and that's obv bust
undone sun
secondary stats wont make or break considering main stats being strength, armor and stam generally benefit more. ilevel is usually the best to aim for on main armor pieces and a 5 ilevel difference you'd use better stats
high citrus
I've just been using Pawn for figuring out if things are upgrades. At 927 atm, need to get better relics for artifact
undone sun
i would recommend against pawn for tanks, defensively you dont sim tanks
high citrus
? Pawn isn't a sim, it's an equivalence points calculator
celest rose
how do I tank this?
she's up on one of the pillars
spamming collapse
not resetting
undone sun
pawn strings are generated from calculations, yes which are gathered from Sims @high citrus
and offensively we don't have working sims, generally pawn isn't wise to use for tanks at all
high citrus
so stat prios are completely useless for prot then?
celest rose
priorities are very useful
undone sun
stat priorities are completely different from that
and that's already covered in the guide
high citrus
...to be frank, saying that you can't use pawn because it's derived from sims is cutting hairs, especially when the result is identical to the 'feel' of +10/+5 judgement the guide advises
stray wedge
no, you are talking complete nonsense
so firstly, Pawn's 'default' stat weights don't come from sims, they come from basically nowhere, they're completely arbitrary
and should not be used for any spec at all
high citrus
please stop, I never even said I was using default stat weights.
high citrus
./facepalm.
stray wedge
It's true that you can approximate a stat priority with stat weights yes
But why would you add an extra layer of inaccuracy for no reason
analog burrow
How crazy is the riftworld codex for M+
undone sun
it's good for aoe but there are still better options
analog burrow
I'm not sure what to run for m+ atm.
warm plinth
What do you have?
junior ivy
ive officially killed aggramar heroic 4 times ๐
hollow kite
is riftworld codex ok for ST tanking?
undone sun
no
cyan tusk
im confused whats our best two leggos right now?
i just got two and i think they are none of them'
warm plinth
Which two did you get
warm plinth
Bracers are the best defensive legendary
Pants are useful for certain fights both in the raid and in dungeons
Shoulders...I mean, probably useful for certain tyrannical necrotic bosses like Saprish in Seat where it's hard to get stacks reset
But not much else
cyan tusk
which fights are pants good for?
warm plinth
Ymiron, Naraxas, Dargrul, Domatrax, Shade of Medivh in dungeons. The only one I'm 100% on for the raid is Varimathras
undone sun
not necessarily needed for vari, you can SR every other hit and fill the gaps with a CD
warm plinth
Well, he's 972 first of all. He also has like 3% crit
safe parrot
yeah?
still?
if you look at his gear
it barely has any vers
how does he have 15k
he's only getting vers from shoulders cloak and the 2 legendaries
warm plinth
Idk, not the first bugged log I've seen with high vers. There was a link going around a while back where a guy had 23k vers
prisma crane
new Diima's woot
warm plinth
Can I have your old one?
warm plinth
:Q...
open rose
How many ilvls is the t21 2 peice worth? Just got 960 shoulders and replacing the bonus
prisma crane
infinity imo
undone sun
defensively it's hard to get a value on tier and offensively without sims, a lot
warm plinth
Yeah, the difference is incredible
celest rose
Can anyone give me any advice about running bridge on Mythic Imonar? Getting there for progress tomorrow
prisma crane
@celest rose are you the one who has to clear it?
celest rose
potentially. We have me as a warrior, a guardian, and could have a Veng DH as a 3rd tank if that's a strategy
prisma crane
havoc DH clears best
celest rose
netherwalk and just fel rush spam through?
prisma crane
we bop them first
celest rose
we have 3 of them
prisma crane
then they NW when it's about to wear off
and yea just fel rush across and res on other side
celest rose
does NW get rid of the debuffs or are they needing to be rez totem'd or CR'd?
prisma crane
CR for us
undone sun
Vari broll coming in strong https://i.imgur.com/uKy8Lkr.png
warm plinth
@junior ivy It's because DPS in TW is flukey with the scaling. Can't tell which specs you have in there with you but I guarantee you wouldn't be top if you had a hunter, windwalker, or DH in there with you
celest rose
appreciate it
undone sun
๐
prisma crane
no prob ")
warm plinth
What situations do you guys use 4pc+2pc for in M+, if any? Or 2pc+2pc (not sure that's viable for me since my T20 is super low)?
celest rose
high tyrannical bosses where your survivability > dmg output would be only place where I would use it
warm plinth
it being specifically the 4pc+2pc?