Small DK legs arent fast
#protection
timid jay
fiery pendant
decided to let the dk in my m+ group tank this week, tryin to move things out of sanguine is too annoying lol
vagrant cape
but I fucking love the mobiltiy of warriors.
tiny sphinx
all the ranged silence melee classes don't deserve them, but blimey does it make it easier
fiery pendant
yeah mobility is a big con for dk
runic fjord
you know what would be hype
If storm bolt was baseline, but could be talented to be a silence instead
:^)
tiny sphinx
honestly if dh interrupt rewards resource, everyone's should =/
tiny sphinx
what a concept, using interrupts, maybe m+ pugs wouldn't be cancer if that were the case
fiery pendant
lol my group is resto sham ww monk fdk havoc and prot warr, we still manage to mess up some interrupts
usually because 3 of us try to interrupt the same damn thing lol
tiny sphinx
I use the alphabetical order rule
fiery pendant
eh, doesnt stop 3 people hitting kick at the same time though does it?
or does it have an order or something on screen
runic fjord
nah just makes people say it
fiery pendant
ye thought so
warm plinth
I just interrupt early because most people interrupt late
runic fjord
but legit all you gotta do is have the fastest reflex/internet person wait till the end
warm plinth
And I have Sephuz and I'm getting my fucking proc
runic fjord
and then once the interrupts are announced people will generally automatically adjust
fiery pendant
ahaha, yeah any sephuz users go right to the top
runic fjord
and a rotation kinda naturally forms
fiery pendant
have a spriest using sephuz in antorus, shit gets real if he doesnt get the interrupts on imonar or argus
vocal nimbus
interrupting imonar ๐ค
fiery pendant
yeah, when you cross the bridge
stark sage
sephuz is gross for shadow, like 13% dps increase
vocal nimbus
with how many stacks does he interrupt
fiery pendant
no idea lol
im only talkin bout hc, we tend to just yolo across the bridge these days
prisma crane
on mythic i try to interrupt by 12 or sooner
i usually get there around 9-10 but some ppl are miles back
fiery pendant
yet to get past high command on mythic ๐ข
timid jay
Thats a big rip
vocal nimbus
if a spriest had to interrupt imonar he would get 20 stacks or so
prisma crane
keep your back to the pods and cleave the shit out of the bats and AHC gets easier
also have all classes considered as range stay actually at range so melee dont run over the mines as easily
fiery pendant
only had a few attempts on it so far, we killed dogs last week, didnt go last night because missing people
vocal nimbus
SB both boss' cleave and your job is done
fiery pendant
oh yeah nah tanking it is fine
timid jay
expose weakness
fiery pendant
problem we were noticing was that while bats were dying the bosses just werent, got it to like 60% by 3rd pod
vocal nimbus
hurr durr its cullud expuse wuknus
fiery pendant
lol
timid jay
๐ข
hollow gorge
Imonar is always scary imo
fiery pendant
i just find myself spiking on dogs a lot, running 4+2 so i almost always have something up
vocal nimbus
well, its true that you gotta micromanage SB a lot on imonar
prisma crane
Imonar is just oh shit CD time, then gtg
vocal nimbus
its scarier than it really is
vocal nimbus
i only use SW/LS while clearing mines
prisma crane
but it's easy to get overwhelmed
round hornet
@fiery pendant be sure your pod ppl are keeping the debuff up at all times
fiery pendant
idd
round hornet
It's a huge dps boost on the boss
fiery pendant
i think we had 7 attempts so far, teething problems early on
not least because the roster is unstable as fk lol
vocal nimbus
change guilds ๐คท
fiery pendant
eh, im not that arsed about it, its nice pushing mythic with friends
hardly expecting to kill argus
(im kind of pleasantly surprised we killed 2 lol)
timid jay
For how long you're gonna be there thats gonna suck
fiery pendant
i figure if we go a few weeks without a kill the guild will stop doing mythic entirely lol
go from 2 nights to 1 night, clear heroic in like 1.5 hours and stop there
prisma crane
honestly
vocal nimbus
my raid raids 5 days a week
prisma crane
with decent coordination
fiery pendant
yikes
vocal nimbus
we got 4 tanks tho
prisma crane
getting 5/11 is really easy
fiery pendant
yeah, i like parsing too haha
prisma crane
TF pray time
vocal nimbus
i dont really care
timid jay
Farm is the worst
vocal nimbus
i enjoy progress
prisma crane
maybe that one chance at Diima's for Cosmo
fiery pendant
but yeah i think we can get HC PK and eonar
compact geyser
parsing is dull IMHO. its nice if it happens but like MEH
fiery pendant
probably not much beyond that
vocal nimbus
eonar is memeboss
prisma crane
PK is hardest of first 5
timid jay
Not like I'm gonna use diimas for aggramar or argus though
prisma crane
i used it for aggramar lol
fiery pendant
eonar easier than command?
vocal nimbus
by far
fiery pendant
might just see about going there instead then
junior ivy
does heart of fear drop any mounts?
round hornet
I think eonar is easier as long as your dps understand they need to run somewhere
and dont tunnel on padding
delicate urchin
will mastery > vers for dps after 60% or so? or how it works ๐ค
fiery pendant
with how we do heroic lol, maybe not, but we'll have to see
compact geyser
Eonar is appointments the video game
timid jay
Eonar likes handing out free loot
round hornet
i've wiped on eonar so much because dps are retards that just pad on dogs that eonar will kill anyways
and overcap us on energy and what not so we dont have the % to win
prisma crane
@delicate urchin afaik, for dps they are roughly equal
vocal nimbus
eonar doesnt give allstar points
round hornet
yeah I know it doesn't, but that doesn
fiery pendant
yeah, but people go mad about parsing on it anyway >.>
prisma crane
cuz it's fun
round hornet
stop my dpsers
fiery pendant
our ww has a field day on that boss lol
vocal nimbus
on normal/heroic i stay afk on the door
round hornet
could help you apply to better guilds
timid jay
Doubt people look at HC logs
vocal nimbus
doubt real good guilds look at tank damage
fiery pendant
tank knows how to play offensively, but does he die
probably the latter that matters more for better mythic guilds
round hornet
yeah not real good guilds, but I did join a 8/9M guild last tier for KJ prog without doing any other mythic fights
fiery pendant
i say this like i ever plan to jump ship
fiery pendant
might happen if i get REALLY bored, but it took me from wrath to end of wod to do it last time
i agree with krotos ๐
vocal nimbus
@round hornet usually the people in a guild looking for tanks arent tanks so they dont know what to look at on the logs ๐คท
fiery pendant
surely guilds dont often recruit tanks anyway
like most are gonna do that internally no?
round hornet
depends on if they have someone internally that wants to tank
fiery pendant
probably easier to have a dps reroll and recruit a fresh dps
yeah i guess if youre really stuck
broken kite
I've only ever seen new guilds recruit for tanks
prisma crane
finding a guild as a tank is rough, but it's not impossible, just have to put yourself out there
round hornet
for me at least the third tank for offtank stuff doesn't really want to be a MT most of the time
west kayak
1.32 is my best on Eonar.
round hornet
I think you see less of it only because theres only 2 or 3 tank spots per raid team
fiery pendant
idd
sturdy bane
Stupid question: How do you equip another trinket in the top trinket slot? Is it like /equip slot [insert number] ?
round hornet
more likely to see someone asking for a DPS class with tank OS for those weird fights
sturdy bane
switching out trinkets*
prisma crane
@west kayak gotta pump up those numbers!
easier way
just hover over it and hold alt @sturdy bane
west kayak
I know, I try. ๐
sturdy bane
I've just did that but nothing happens. I can also alt and click then it starts to fade in and out which I've never seen before
fiery pendant
weird, allstar points on my character page are like 5 lower than on the realm ranking
still 1st though ๐
round hornet
if your trying to keybind trinket swaps, you should consider making itemsets instead
prisma crane
^ that too
fiery pendant
yeah could make an item set and keybind that
sturdy bane
I have a ton of item sets but I only really want to switch out 1 trinket. It just keeps replacing convergance instead of my other aoe trinket
prisma crane
@fiery pendant the character page updates almost live with your logs, but leaderboards update on longer intervals
timid jay
Leaderboards are like once per day iirc
fiery pendant
ah i c
broken kite
Can't you just drag the trinket into the slot you want to replace?
Am I missing something
prisma crane
you can do that too lol
fiery pendant
you can, but its quicker to change sets with 1 key/click
prisma crane
but there's limited numbers of sets
round hornet
@sturdy bane iirc you can use outfitter to keybind "accessory" itemsets which are like partial ones
prisma crane
i just have a "misc" set
fiery pendant
i still use outfitter lol
prisma crane
that i swap when im on a certain fight with weird gear setup
fiery pendant
relic addon that one is
sturdy bane
@broken kite I'd rather not have to drag something from my bags to character pane in a mythic+ every time I want to switch a trinket. There's got to be an easier way ๐ฎ
sturdy bane
wow wtf
fiery pendant
thats a good point lol
prisma crane
lmao
broken kite
Item sets, put item set on bars
fiery pendant
see, tanks are still nice
broken kite
Gg
compact geyser
ok it doesnt work, but imagine....CoF for prot right now in the t21 BM AM meta
fiery pendant
good god
broken kite
Forever bc
fiery pendant
all the battle cry
broken kite
No cd
fiery pendant
that pack under the stage in lower kara would be well fun
though it is pretty fun already
compact geyser
SS IP SS SS SS IP IP SS BC SS SS SS IP IP SS SS
prisma crane
a haste stat stick would probably serve you better
prisma crane
since CoF isnt taking off 3 sec per BC
ember arrow
hell week over
fiery pendant
is sang grievous that bad?
prisma crane
without AM that's 5% reduction
fiery pendant
i dislike bursting or bolstering weeks more
prisma crane
if we get BC to about 20 sec, that means CoF saves us 1 second on average
so we lose a shitload of STR and other stats to gain 1 sec on BC
not worth
timid jay
Not to mention it doesnt work for prot
fiery pendant
but memes
timid jay
๐ค
fiery pendant
oh yeah we know, talking hypotheticals
prisma crane
well sure, beside that though
compact geyser
hmm, cleary not as viable as the crit ravager bladestorm helm build
prisma crane
^
timid jay
Much rather just have a haste stat stick
fiery pendant
using 955 diimas and aggramars atm
fiery pendant
i think so
shut summit
Don't think can cancel it early can you?
fiery pendant
oh wait, i dont think you can
timid jay
iirc you cant canel it at all
prisma crane
fuck
fiery pendant
i remember trying to cancel it on aggramar and getting fukt by flame rend lol
prisma crane
could've been YUUUGE
fiery pendant
wait does it not splt damage
prisma crane
no
prisma crane
a DH in my guild who often tanks M+ used it JUST on the imps in Vault one day, it was 10% of his overall dmg in there
prisma crane
it's a lot of STR
fiery pendant
yeah, a boatload
prisma crane
and vers is good for dmg too
so yea, i use it
but other trinkets are probably better if you pull right
fiery pendant
i tend to use that and diimas or that and riftworld atm
prisma crane
if you do only really large pulls, probably better to use Diima's and riftworld together
or shivermaw's too if you have a decent one
young marlin
Can someone explain to me in full ignore pain? I heard something about diminishing IP when you have max IP and use IP. I had 4.4m IP then it went to 3.6m even though I was not being hit by anything.
Also if you don't want to diminish your IP but you want to spend rage for AM cd reduction what do I do then?
fiery pendant
i stand corrected
prisma crane
3x max rage IP, boosted by scales procs, as well as T21 4p
delicate urchin
shivermaw imba couse dont cd youre second trinket..
prisma crane
it's based on your attack power
prisma crane
that too @delicate urchin so free large vers boost to all other dmg
young marlin
So it was just luck that I lost IP after using IP with max IP while taking no damage? Just seems like it is bad using IP with max IP. Was told about diminishing IP
junior ivy
can i solo throine of thunder heroic?
delicate urchin
ye, sometimes i got art trait proc and have around 8m absorb, than i use IP and go down to 4-5m((
young marlin
Easy
sick sentinel
what trinket is BC
young marlin
@delicate urchin that's what I am saying. Better to pool rage and use revenge when IP is maxed?
sick sentinel
no
sick sentinel
only siege onwards
prisma crane
Thing is this, you don't want to cap rage, particularly when using AM
minor wren
got gloves and wrist as 1st two legos, those are bis right
prisma crane
and the easiest way to understand how IP works is to use this WA. https://wago.io/N1Ub3_ouZ
if you've boosted your IP above the base cap via artifact procs
and then you IP again, without the proc, then you will reduce your current overall IP
sick sentinel
that bars version looks nice
young marlin
You can solo everything up to HFC mythic. Don't know about trying as prot though.
prisma crane
ToT has 2 mounts
junior ivy
is one a triceratops?
prisma crane
yea
junior ivy
k i have that one
prisma crane
the other is off of Jikun
fiery pendant
hfc mythic is defo soloable
prisma crane
i have over 325 mounts at this point and still none of those dinos
fiery pendant
im at 281 lol
prisma crane
it really slows down
compact geyser
@undone sun do you use a cloak or tabard in your mog?
junior ivy
tot is kiinda scary
compact geyser
whom? me @timid jay ^.^
timid jay
Yeah
compact geyser
i just rememebered that him and catfriend had a whole discussion yesterday about it and i dont think they talked about it.
junior ivy
i dont like the look of tabards at all
never use em
always hide them if i wear one
they cover too much of your armor
prisma crane
well on a gnome it's your whole body
timid jay
I generally run with tabards
sharp nebula
is prot warrior in a bad place for mythic raiding? or are ppl just blowing smoke?
becouse i WANT desperatly to play prot.
round hornet
its fine
sharp nebula
like viable?
round hornet
yes, theres prot warrior parses on every boss in M
sharp nebula
becouse thats the answer i keep getting is we are not viable, and its makeing me CRY ๐ฆ
warm plinth
Like there's 18 warriors who have killed mythic
sharp nebula
punishing? how so?
warm plinth
Out of what, 111 guilds or something that are 11/11?
prisma crane
we mess up SB and we're often just dead
round hornet
its not as easy as other tanks
warm plinth
That's a pretty good percentage
prisma crane
142 atm World, but yea
sharp nebula
#feelsbetter
warm plinth
Ah, was 111 or something last time I checked, but still a good percentage
prisma crane
we're still the least represented on WCL for ARgus
Argus*
19 compared to 20 with VDH
timid jay
Remember that a lot of guilds are private logging at that level
warm plinth
Yeah, but not because of lack of viability this tier. Not like prot paladin or VDH on KJ last tier haha
prisma crane
yes, this is also true
timid jay
Its not 100% reliable to use WCL for statistics like that
prisma crane
which is why i actually mentioned WCL
warm plinth
True
prisma crane
since it's a qualifier in and of itself
and WCL includes people who are carried...
idk if any prots are there atm, but i do remember a prot warr on M KJ w/ 600 dps
not k, but 600
warm plinth
I mean, on that list I just showed, difference between first and last is literally a 50% difference haha
DPS-wise
round hornet
I mean its not necessarily being carried on M KJ, if ur a BDK it can be kinda shit to soak meteors
slim verge
Anyone have an image of what the Varimathras looks like on mythic with the 3 tank strat? Kind like this
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/677794.jpg
warm plinth
Yeah, he said 600, not 600k :p
round hornet
my guild did 3 tank and had a tank run around looking for safespots in the last phase
:X
prisma crane
a 600k hit, just one, would be 600 dps for a 16 min 40 sec fight
junior ivy
warriors need more ranged !!!
warm plinth
Guessing that was late tier huh
junior ivy
i miss when we were allowed to have a gun !
round hornet
yeah was late in ToS
prisma crane
not that late, was well before Cosmo's kill
warm plinth
I mean, you can spam Heroic Throw
junior ivy
yteah but that doesnt kill snails fast enough
warm plinth
Like...EoA snails?
junior ivy
throne of thunder snails
warm plinth
Oh
junior ivy
im not risking getting anywhere near them
prisma crane
you can actually hit them while still being out of their range
round hornet
@slim verge I dont have an image but theres lots of videos around
prisma crane
can also tclap
round hornet
its pretty muc hthe same as in ur image but the 2 ppl with necrotic are further back
prisma crane
@slim verge 3 marks in the back
prisma crane
3rd tank plus 2 necros run to middle mark
slim verge
Yeah, I watched videos. I wanted to have an image of it to give to my raid. I can make my own, but didn't want to do the work if someone already had done it.
final mist
The two main tanks should never move
prisma crane
then the 2 spread
final mist
Makes it much easier
fleet ocean
Sigh I have been going for pure item level and haste and I finally got over 960 item level with over 30% haste only to find out that I do more dps/hps when I decreased my haste and add my 2piece + more Versa
prisma crane
yea, main tanks never have to move, ever
slim verge
That fight is so boring
final mist
That's because two piece is a stupid dps increase ryan
warm plinth
Yeah, that's the 2pc, not stats
slim verge
I'm excited to do it as the "3rd tank" and actually have it be interesting
stark sage
yeah lul 2pc is insane
warm plinth
2pc T21 is ridiculous
round hornet
3rd tank isnt interesting
undone sun
@Banatamana#1450 no, it's hidden
round hornet
unless you think leap and charge is interesting I guess >.<
final mist
Not even ridiculous, it's just flat out overpowered
It's like the difference between base form and Super Saiyan
prisma crane
@compact geyser see above from Thyme
warm plinth
Thyme is here. Hey Thyme, are you in the alpha? Thought I saw it on the "playing xxx" in Discord but I might have mixed you up with someone.
Anime ๐คข
final mist
You telling me you never watched DBZ growing up?
prisma crane
meanwhile no tier is Krillin, always dying
compact geyser
oh, thanks @undone sun @prisma crane
final mist
warm plinth
Like, how can you watch a show where a single fight lasts a season and a half, and still think it's a good show, especially when most of it is screaming
final mist
You must've had a fun childhood
undone sun
I haven't either sal @Sal#9001
prisma crane
Gohan hitting SS2 was the most epic shit i ever remember
warm plinth
I watched cartoons with actual content, not some dude screaming for 20 episodes while his hair turned yellow
But hey, to each their own
timid jay
I never watched DBZ either
prisma crane
ahem, GOLD
warm plinth
๐
warm plinth
I am. I just didn't like it. No judgment here; it's just not my thing.
final mist
Point is 2pc is retarded and no amount of ilevel will overtake it
prisma crane
@final mist can we just demote Thyme and Cosmo since they dont know it
prisma crane
rofl
timid jay
DBZ?
warm plinth
LOL
prisma crane
and yea, T21 2p is the only thing in the game atm i would trade nothing for (gear wise)
undone sun
Wat
warm plinth
What if you had LFR T21
timid jay
aston martin DBS?
warm plinth
I've actually watched most of DBZ
timid jay
Good looking car
undone sun
Admin abuse
junior ivy
i got a feather
prisma crane
go up
undone sun
Reporting you to h2p
warm plinth
Oh god
prisma crane
you go up and to the north i want to say
warm plinth
Are you banned there Thyme?
final mist
bette report me to AMR tbh
warm plinth
lol
final mist
might actually be put on a blogpost
warm plinth
I can't remember which guide I was reading, but I read an icy-veins guide that recommended AMR and I was like ๐คข
prisma crane
it's just ancient
warm plinth
Those poor misguided noobs
junior ivy
are you sure i go UP from ji kun?
warm plinth
Mmm, aged yolk
prisma crane
yes, it's a sewer above the platform
looks a lot like the one you came from
just look on your map
junior ivy
up through the hole in the ceiling?
prisma crane
no
junior ivy
im in a birds nest now
prisma crane
in the wall
warm plinth
Phew! That's pretty nice
prisma crane
i have like 0 of those, super rare, nice work!
warm plinth
Can't you just let me be happy Krotos?
junior ivy
i found my way
prisma crane
only downside to going with all short missions is that you run out of OR so damn fast
and yes, sry, grats!
edited for you
junior ivy
is durumu soloable
prisma crane
easily
you should kill him before anything even happens
cant wait til you get to Dark Animus though
junior ivy
aw now im scared lol
prisma crane
are you on heroic or normal?
and do the two sizes still exist?
25 man heroic killed me earlier this xpac lol
the little adds fucked me up fast
prob cake now
but then it was shit
echo grail
rip
slender adder
I've been asking for advices on DPS optimisation a few days ago here, and Kudos to the community. Thanks to your advices I flew to the moon ๐
warm plinth
โ Congrats
rich swallow
so my guild is starting Mythic Varimathras tonight, how come most people I see on warcraftlogs are using Ararats Bloodmirror, is it much better to use over other leggos?
warm plinth
Yeah, because you can reduce the damage of shadow strike with Spell Reflect by 50%
rich swallow
so its just to mitigate shadow strike?
slender adder
without it you only got a SR every 25s and the big cleave is on 20s cd
warm plinth
AFAIK, yes
rich swallow
okay cool, thanks for the info
rich swallow
is it possible to not use it and just use minors each slash, such as demo shout? with AM it should be back up fairly quickly
timid jay
I just alternate between SW and SR, works fine for me at around 33% haste
running TWF + kaku for the rage
warm plinth
Go touch it
warm plinth
lol
slender adder
Gratz little friend !
prisma crane
his adds
the little ones
kill them asap
when they are next to each other they buff each other's damage and attack speed
junior ivy
kk
prisma crane
and it's multiplicative
it could be a joke now, but i can promise you that boss was the worst back then
had to have everyone and their brother tank an add, tanks could take 2
junior ivy
im scared but ill give it a try
he died in like
6 seconds
and my health never left 100%
prisma crane
yea, most of the fights are a joke now
junior ivy
not havin much luckj with tmog though
prisma crane
RIP
compact geyser
ToT is the worst to run for mogs -_-
i think SoO might top it but still. Screw Pandaland
modest crest
Finally got my riftworld codex thing (I think thatโs what itโs called) from portal keeper. Havenโt used it yet but what do I have to look forward to/expect from it compared to the other main trinkets like smoldering, diima, WHoT, apocalypse
worn nebula
it kind of does the same job all those trinkets does at once, but worse
modest crest
Ive never been a big fan of the random proc ones
long bronze
riftworld isn't really worth using outside of m+, and then still diimas or apoc is probably better
titanguard is for a totally different thing
worn nebula
at least definitely diimas
long bronze
cheesing mechanics
worn nebula
and then i'd prolyl use aggramar if you have one high ilvl
i like apoc too, but not so much for 5mans outside of bosses
riftworld is decenbt survivability wise for m+
long bronze
riftworld is A+ for world pvp though
modest crest
I find myself using DMD and diima for m+. I have all of the major trinkets I just struggle with choosing them for situations when every fight pretty much has melee attacks so I always default to DMD + a situational one
And usually DMD + pantheon for raids unless again itโs a very specific situation
prisma crane
Have to agree, Diima's is def solid overall for raids and M+
worn nebula
id take aggramars conviction at a high ilvl over DMD tho
prisma crane
easily
prisma crane
the vers proc is fantastic and up a lot
worn nebula
so see little point in DMD
long bronze
I don't have aggramars yet because this game hates me haha
it'll be week 5 for this toon on argus so maybe my blp will carry me home
junior ivy
soo mythic.. i can solo it?
modest crest
My Aggramar is 970 and my DMD is 900 or 910
junior ivy
SoO
worn nebula
use aggramar+ยดdiimas in m+ then
you can always swap aggramars to apoc on high tyranical bosses
but otherwise aggramra+diimas are super solid
defensively and offensively
long bronze
Theres a DHT quest for a writing heart of darkness up
junior ivy
is siege of orgrimmar MOP or WOD?
modest crest
Interesting thanks. Weird hearing this since when they first came out I seem to remember the general perception being โdamn I have to wear this for the raid benefitโ
compact geyser
as the 3rd tank for mythic vari is there any preference on leggos/trinkets you guys found?
prisma crane
MoP
junior ivy
ty
long bronze
at least on Tichondrius
junior ivy
one last question, i cna do SoO each week on all difficulties, like legion raids?
long bronze
I don't think so
worn nebula
defensivly even at 1000 it's pretty bad personally (especially if trinket can't procc the big one)
long bronze
Panda Raids were one difficulty only
worn nebula
but ilvl 1000 is pretty solid in str
worn nebula
m+ that means tons of str, and vers procc is solid too
stuck oxide
with the recent change of argus mythic, you mass suicide and then you revive once the tank as cleared his chain ?
modest crest
So itโs almost time to retire the olโ DMD. Now if fury gets real trinkets to get rid of my 895 cof...
long bronze
I can't remember if SoO was unique but I know for sure ToT was one difficulty only
worn nebula
still, defensivly meh, but the str on it makes it still a great choice for m+
long bronze
You'll never replace the CoF lol
or if you do it will be by such a small margin of dps
is not cool yo
modest crest
It kills my soul to still use it lol
worn nebula
what? pandaria raids were normal and heroic
prisma crane
yea, didnt go Mythic until 6.0
worn nebula
normal and heroic started in wrath
heroic back then was the same as what we call mythic now
warm plinth
Yep...ICC had heroic
worn nebula
technically it was even trial raid that was first
warm plinth
I can't remember. I didn't really get into Ulduar
warm plinth
I know it had the shit like killing the heart to make it harder and things like that
worn nebula
cause i rememebr in trial you did 10man normal, then 10man heroic, then 25man normal, then 25man heroic
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure Trial and Icecrown were the only two that had those in Wrath
worn nebula
ulduar had "hardmodes" special ways of killing bosses that gave better loot
but same lockout
warm plinth
Yeah
long bronze
Ulduar and Kara were my two favorite raids of all time lol
timid jay
heroic /normal came in TotC afaik
warm plinth
Especially the High Magus fight
broken kite
@junior ivy sOo was the first raid you can do different lockouts on the same week
long bronze
the good ol days
broken kite
So you can do mythic, heroic and normal all in one week
junior ivy
ty ty
long bronze
there you go, I had a feeling it was unique for mop because of how damn long it was the current raid
broken kite
All other mop is old system
long bronze
for the most part but I'm curious about arms and fury too
modest crest
@long bronze Iโm about to start messing with pvp, havenโt yet at all so Iโm a total noob there. Why is riftworld codex good in pvp?
modest crest
I hope I never have to do world pvp ever
young marlin
Can you use SR to reduce damage taken by varimathrias shadow slash thing that applies misery?
modest crest
Yes
young marlin
Hell ya
modest crest
Use leg lego for cheese fight
young marlin
Wish I had legs. Finally got the meta breakers timeless stratagem
long bronze
also use SR on the 3rd fire slash on coven
young marlin
And demoralizing shout for 2nd slash?
long bronze
if you have TWF you can use shield wall
modest crest
Iโm pretty sure if you time shout right before 2nd one it lasts through the 3rd too
ember arrow
SR thord
junior ivy
is trial of valor mythic hard?
junior ivy
im bored tonight so doin random stuff
long bronze
the walls fell
modest crest
The walls fell lego ring
long bronze
its up for every fire slash lol
latent oyster
how much weaker ilvl gear should we consider wearing just to get t21 4 bonus? is it good?
long bronze
well I mean everytime you tank her its back up once
young marlin
Is coven super easy if we just play right?
modest crest
I used my 4pc t21/ high ilvl test set for the first time yesterday in my raid. My heals said they couldnโt tell a difference between than and t20/21 2/4 set
young marlin
2 piece is amazing. 4pc is not a massive increase tier 21
modest crest
But I did a lot more dps, purple or higher parses. My haste is slightly lower so I felt like my cooldowns were barely slower but it was pretty similar since I gained like 10-12 actual ilvls with it
undone sun
6pc vs. t21 4pc isn't far off in terms of overall absorbs, it's mostly about the rage gen +CDR the tier combo gives
young marlin
Is apocalypse drive very good for heroic/mythic?
undone sun
fight dependant, good for aggramar and aoe
modest crest
Was still able to burst rage gain in advance of taking boss so I had plenty of ignore pains available
long bronze
its a pretty good trinket yeah but diimas is better usually
modest crest
My shield slam crits were 1.6/1.9M vs 1.3M ish with my 2/4pc combo
long bronze
that adds up fast af
latent oyster
4/2pc combo is where it's at!
young marlin
And if you use SR just early enough for first coven fire slash, will it be back up for 3rd fire slash?
modest crest
Donโt think so
modest crest
1st is easy with ignore pain half relevant
long bronze
if you have great ilvl t20 but otherwise you're going to gimp your damage
young marlin
Lasts for 5 seconds and dBm says like 7-12 seconds between slash so if I use 4 seconds before first slash... it would be so close
long bronze
don't risk it wrektar the first slash is pretty tame
modest crest
It just kinda tickles
modest crest
I did take 5 stacks last night on heroic before we wiped just to test my limits. Didnโt use a SR so I feel pretty good to take 6 in a pinch
modest crest
Actually I felt like I was the nail ๐
junior ivy
in tov mythic.. if i get a rune on me i go to the rune and i get an add, i jsut kill it?
young marlin
I felt like a nail with 3 forging strikes
young marlin
Survived wirh like 220k health
I wanna try to see how many I can get but 4 is a dream atm
long bronze
I've done like 6 or more on my monk but the EHP of monk is like 50 times bigger than warrior lol
young marlin
What's EHP? I feel stupid xD
timid jay
effective hit points
Basically how much pre-mitigation damage you can take before you die
young marlin
Ohhh. That doesn't mean actual health pool. I would assume that xD thank you for explaining @timid jay
Warriors are active mitigation not build up mitigation like a monk that staggers?
timid jay
Our mitigation mostly comes from shield block
We can mitigate some with ignore pain, but thats mostly to supplement our health pool
long bronze
Monk have 90% physical stagger so
like 10 times the EHP lol
it doesn't work exactly that way but can soak humungous (40 mil + ) hits
young marlin
Monks are the opposite of build up with stagger xD
I thought that AM would reduce SB to like 20% but I held 55-70%
prisma crane
more important is % of hits blocked, not uptime
junior ivy
omg mythkjc odyn was easy
prisma crane
first two are
long bronze
yeah something something about each class doing like at least 1m more dps lol
junior ivy
so guarm is easy too?
jade socket
junior ivy
helya is hard as in like.. maybe a few wipes.. or a pug wont be abvle to kill her?
prisma crane
guarm was just a dps race before, and dps has only gotten massively larger
junior ivy
the leader of the pug is 4/11 mythic warrior tank
prisma crane
means nothing if he's never done M Helya
prisma crane
can't heal through one shot ๐
prisma crane
but yea, people just have to pay attention
junior ivy
hope we get guarm i like achievements
1 shotted guarm!
i still havent evne done normal tos
and im in mythic
warm plinth
You mean ToV?
warm plinth
๐
junior ivy
grats !!!!
thats amazing
and youre so calm if i did brh 23 timed itd be all caps, lots of 'omg's
ember arrow
was amazing group
ember arrow
working alot atm, m+ score been slacked
junior ivy
only one tank for mythic helya?
long bronze
levko whas was your overall dps in the brh?
long bronze
hey good shit
broken kite
Teeming is great for dps
long bronze
I did 1.4 mil in the random heroic BRH I did yesterday so we are nearly on the same level๐
is joke bois
broken kite
Oh, I'm stuck in last week thinking
Sorry lol
Idk why, already done a bunch this week rofl
long bronze
horde or ally?
broken kite
๐ ๐
long bronze
ALLIANCE SCUM
broken kite
Wrong one shit, sec
long bronze
shit will good thing you blocked it haha
well*
so question - when you block
is it pre or post armor damage
ember arrow
i THINK post
long bronze
so you would have been 100% boned if that wasn't blocked lol
long bronze
ouch
long bronze
yeah I'm picking up what you're laying down now
long bronze
do you just save DS/SW for when your SB is on cd?
long bronze
or just usually count on the downtime of the boss
broken kite
Can also throw a nf in
long bronze
why on earth can't I think of what BC is
long bronze
oh durp
broken kite
Idk I like nf for Mass adds
long bronze
I work in the aviation industry so I already have like 60 million acronyms in my head
that's my excuse
ember arrow
basically i use DS+BC spam 5 times SS wit increased rage gen from DS
or 6 whatever
and use no SB during DS for 12 sec
then i got enough charges till next DS/BC
this is ofc agaisnt bosses without AM check, but thats like 95% of them
broken kite
I hope am checks are more common in bfa
long bronze
damn blizz pls
young marlin
Need more rage
tough scroll
/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44311)) is this the correct macro for the hidden artifact and does it still work?
umbral cape
Argus tanking trinket: Is it any good?
timid jay
@umbral cape Mainly for DPS and the raid, not that great defensively
umbral cape
So say a defensive trinket is better? I just got it today and want to know if it's better than what I have.
timid jay
apoc, diimas and eye
umbral cape
Apoc Drive and haste stat stick.
timid jay
If you care at all about your raids performance, take aggramars over the stat stick
umbral cape
And by Eye you mean Eye of Shatug/F'harg?
timid jay
Yes
timid jay
Theres a pinned post about trinkets fyi
umbral cape
There is? Neat.
Oh I've been through that already.
Problem is it doesn't list the majority of the trinkets I have.
timid jay
Then they are most likely not worth it defensively
magic rover
coolio
long bronze
you can't hit anything
timid jay
Wait untill you have a free GCD to pop it
broken kite
And wait for SS to be on cd
long bronze
damn those are some next level optimizations lol
long bronze
is it just me or is bounding stride super overrated
Cracking thunder feels so much better to me
but like everyone takes bounding stride it seems like
broken kite
Use the other one unless you don't use t20
undone sun
Without t20 that whole row is pretty much quality of life anyways
junior ivy
is guldan heroic possible with no healer?
timid jay
WIth lots of warlocks sure
long bronze
yeah I know I just feel like CT > CoL than bounding stride
undone sun
Bounding stride feels better considering the shorter CD and movement afterwards but Imo CT rarely had any actual use
uncut marlin
whats the best legendary and tier setup for single target damage
young marlin
Can someone tell me if it looks like I didnt get much healing in this fight?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pA8Mb7CwyDqFtaYm#fight=2&type=casts&target=2
Helps me a ton ๐
uncut marlin
i've been running t20 4 set t21 2 set, belt and i dunno what other leggo to use
timid jay
If you want ST damage dont go for tier combo
timid jay
Depends abit on your t2 traits, seems to be gloves/belt in general
undone sun
Belt vs ahr really just depends if you can reliably pop ahr completely
timid jay
insignia is really strong if you have good t2 traits
uneven mason
I find hands to be great
timid jay
But most of its is guesstimation and looking at logs since we dont have any dps sims
upper spoke
jumpin into the middle of this, but i can't understand why we'd use stuff that'd at expense of protection increase dps
uncut marlin
its not really at an expense imo
more rage, more IP
only thing that i love is the dope ass 4 set combo
lose***
uneven mason
Increase dps = increase rage =increase protection
upper spoke
i go straight prot and let my dps worry about killin stuff
timid jay
Outgearing fights you dont really need much healing anyway
uncut marlin
see thats such a dumb way of thinking about tanking ๐
timid jay
Im going double DPS legendaries for mythic varimathras, still need less healing than half the dps players
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
uncut marlin
if you can do both then do both
no point gimping yourself
for the "im a tank i stand here and thats it" mentality
timid jay
for m+ your dps matters much much more
upper spoke
maybe they think the same thing lol
timid jay
You can do a lot more dps than a healer can, especially on AoE
uncut marlin
^^
timid jay
Going heavy on damage in m+ is something I'd very much recommend
uncut marlin
can do that with just bracers tbh
upper spoke
belt + gloves seem fun.
timid jay
It is, its my standard setup for m+
upper spoke
extra rage from gloves and uptime of shout from belt
chrome wyvern
Is there any resources on dps trinkets for prot warriors?
clear sapphire
I do not recall seeing it here when Ive been on. Is FOebreaker considered an AoE in regards to avoidance?
stuck plank
if im above 32% haste I should gem otherwise right? just got new legs that have a socket and wanted to know if i should put a str gem in
alpine axle
for horde, is highmountain the best race for tanking? with the reduced dmg taken?
undone sun
32% means very little, haste is still the best secondary @stuck plank but having a strength gem is still worth using
@alpine axle defensively, most likely yes
echo grail
rate my mog
bright merlin
cooldown rotation for surviving high scythe swipe stacks on argus?
wheat bronze
Noura seems to have a lot of issues tank swapping on mythic. Anyone else notice it?
stuck oxide
Does anyone know if a paladin dies after giving blessing of sacrifice, does the 30% dmg reduce still apply
warm plinth
It doesn't Fuzza, because BoS automatically stops if the paladin who gave it gets to ~20%. The tooltip makes it sound like it has to be transferred damage, but if the paladin gets below 20% by other means (or dies, if that wasn't obvious) then any additional transferred damage would bring them below that threshold.
So it cancels the blessing
crisp slate
Are the offtank hits blockable on Mythic Aggramar?
The Taeschalach Reach?
undone sun
yes
dusty prairie
how much would you guys value bastion of the aspects as a trait? got a 10 ilvl boost relic for my weapon but the traits are kinda meh, Last stand/infusion/armor. while other current one is bastion/refractive shell/dragon skin
undone sun
defensively Bastion relics are invaluable
sick sentinel
guys i got destiny driver
undone sun
rip
weary fog
Is there a trick to simming prot dps on raidbots? It's telling me to lose 2 piece for a 5 item level boost with better stats, but that doesn't sound right to me. 2 piece feels insane.
timid jay
The trick is not to
Cant sim tanks defensively and prot warriors arent supported offensively in SimC
weary fog
why aren't prot warrior supported offensively?
timid jay
Because no one had coded it
Lots of legendaries and tier sets are not yet implemented into simC
no one is working on it afaik either
weary fog
so the only way to know what my best geear setup is for damage purposes is to whack a dummy with each combination?
timid jay
Wont really be entierly accurate either because of RFDT
undone sun
rfdt does definitely skew it heavily
tier not being implemented is a huge thing as well
weary fog
I'd understand the API not being up to date, but not even considering tier bonus is really odd
timid jay
Considering is a community made project
Thats entierly coded from scratch by people who dont get paid to do it
If you want it to work, theres a public github for it. You just need to code it in and send it to their way to get it into a public build
No one has been actively maintaining the prot warrior code since NH, even then there were a lot of bugs with it
broken kite
Tldr do what feels good
weary fog
goes back to Druid
final mist
Yes, but the major point of belt/BV in M+ is for Shout's uptime for the DPS.
compact geyser
There are enough logs and experience out there to point you in the right direction.
timid jay
Because if Sal responded to the earlier m+ leggo discussion, that was what 4 hours ago?