protection

[long bronze]

on m argus?

[hard wyvern]

Yeeeeep

[long bronze]

nice man good luck

[broken kite]

gl

😄

[hard wyvern]

Thanks, I think I'll need it lol

Hmm, lot of people running titanguard too..

[long bronze]

didn't they just nerf m argus today a bit?

[broken kite]

yeah

[long bronze]

and locks may have to do mechanics now lol

[hard wyvern]

"Immunities will no longer prevent the application of Sentence of Sargeras, but can be used to mitigate the periodic damage. Sentence of Sargeras will now only target two players with each cast."

[sick sentinel]

gonna try and push ranks this week i think

put myself back on the market

for a new guild

[prisma crane]

GL!

[sick sentinel]

only 4/11M and i desire to be further along

with a later start time

[long bronze]

how is infernal contract guys

just got one from relinquished

910

[glacial sage]

How screwed am I?

[broken kite]

Defensive Trinket Guide: https://goo.gl/u7s0nm

[long bronze]

damn that stam

[glacial sage]

I'm sitting at 7.9 mil atm just because of 2pc4pc, so that would help

[long bronze]

from my understanding you need to 375 food if you use the bell

[broken kite]

2pc+4pc gives so much effective health from rage its worth it

[glacial sage]

What do you mean?

[long bronze]

if you use 500 str food

it will give you a random stat

if you use 375 haste

it will always give you haste

etc etc

[glacial sage]

oh shit

thats dope then

[long bronze]

yeah but stam is kinda shit for us

[prisma crane]

@glacial sage ur supposed to use that trinket with vers food

[long bronze]

compared to other tanks at least

[glacial sage]

That would be very nice

[dapper swift]

Kakushans and mannoroths are the best two legendaries for prot right?

[long bronze]

best is situational

[glacial sage]

stacked with concordance

and aggramar

[broken kite]

id use when you need, rather than waiting for them to proc too

otherwise no reason to use a stam trinket

[prisma crane]

GF just boosted a prot warrior, kinda want to try the mage tower at like 880 with no legos...

[long bronze]

you got balls kid

big masochistic ones

[untold vigil]

👍

[glacial sage]

This guy knows balls

[prisma crane]

it'll be pointless, the eyes would take forever to kill, but could be fun

rofl

[long bronze]

"fun" yeah..

[prisma crane]

@junior ivy maybe you'll go horde, Vulpira a new race....

[broken kite]

do it, have fun

they wont be playable

[long bronze]

wait confirmed or no

[junior ivy]

what

is

vulpira

lol

[long bronze]

fox gnome basiaclly

[junior ivy]

i googled it and i see drawings of foxes

but none are in wow lol

how can is ee wow ones

[long bronze]

mmo-champion lol

[junior ivy]

THE YARE SO CUTE

ARE THEY FOR REAL?

[long bronze]

they are an npc race for sure but maybe a player race too eventually

[junior ivy]

!!!!

i love them

[prisma crane]

that SS was from wowhead

it said character race

[main lava]

Rather sure Blizz decided to make it an allied race as soon as they noticed the hype players had for them

[prisma crane]

so im curious what exactly that means

[junior ivy]

the little toy in their backpack :3

omg

[ember arrow]

OKKKKKKK

[junior ivy]

question whats difference between a race and an allied race?

[prisma crane]

skin color

[long bronze]

rofl

[junior ivy]

lol

[prisma crane]

atm that's not even entirely inaccurate

[junior ivy]

like seriously i mean why are gnomes a race and not an allied race, why are void elves an allied race and not a race

[long bronze]

because allied races have to be unlocked

[prisma crane]

but as far as wow goes, races are always available, you have to unlock allied races

[long bronze]

races are base

^

[prisma crane]

allied races are just that, allies

[junior ivy]

wait, isnt the only 'unlocking'; you gotta do, buying the xpac?

[long bronze]

rep, quests

[prisma crane]

factions we meet along the way that decide to join us

[junior ivy]

or do you need to do something else to unlock them

wait you gotta do rep and quests before you can play a void elf?

[ember arrow]

"YOU GOTTA DO CONTENT TO UNLOCK CONTENT"

HERESY

[prisma crane]

exalted argussian reach

[ember arrow]

WHERE IS MY FREE STUFF

[prisma crane]

army of light for lightforged

suramar for those elves

[junior ivy]

oh, but liike everyone is already exalted with all of those

so thats nothing

[prisma crane]

HM for Highmountain tauren

[ember arrow]

alot of ppl arent exalted

[prisma crane]

you say that

[ember arrow]

idk how the fuck

[broken kite]

also need a 110 on the appropriate faction

[long bronze]

nah man people are PISSED about the alliance reqs

[ember arrow]

at this point

[prisma crane]

then you read all the RREEEEE on the forums

[junior ivy]

seriously?

i got exalted without evren trying

long ago

[prisma crane]

not many ppl do argus every day

[ember arrow]

i got like 30+ caches

since start

[junior ivy]

i just do argus on tuesdays and rare times it san emissary

[long bronze]

you know how the avg player is tho

[ember arrow]

i know

[junior ivy]

true i guess

[ember arrow]

because

[long bronze]

need a silver platter

[ember arrow]

coven exists

and m+

exists

[long bronze]

why play the game when you don't have to play the game

and run laps around dal

[junior ivy]

i wish theyd make another cute race like gnomes tohugh, so i really hope those foxes are for real

[ember arrow]

cute

gnomes

not same sentence

[long bronze]

those words need to have a restraining order on each other

[prisma crane]

they sort of did with goblins, sort of

[ember arrow]

^

[junior ivy]

you guys are crazy

gnomes are adorable

[prisma crane]

but they need more badass alli races, imo

i bet the saber guys will be a race in time

[ember arrow]

its always a dilemma in wow

[long bronze]

I would 100% argue the cutest race is sitting tauren

[ember arrow]

SLUTMOG or COOL RACE WITH COOL MOG

[long bronze]

those fuckin giant hooves man

[junior ivy]

i tried slutmog once it looks .. scary on a gnome

[ember arrow]

does anything look good on them

[long bronze]

can you even see gear on gnomes without 4k

[ember arrow]

even if it does u need a microscope

[broken kite]

it's embarrasing how different armour looks on female characters tbh

100% cringe

[ember arrow]

why embarassing

newer gear usually doesnt

alot looks same

[broken kite]

there's no reason for it "oh this armour has no midriff"

[ember arrow]

its few select peces

[long bronze]

lol levko have you seen the DH gear?

[ember arrow]

yes male is shirtless

[long bronze]

cleavage for DAYS

[ember arrow]

and male has no shirt

[prisma crane]

best armor is slut armor, obv

but tbh, i dont mind

[ember arrow]

dh is pretty much same for genders

[prisma crane]

there's enough of each for ppl to do it however they want

[ember arrow]

i mean theyre basically BOY NEXT DOOR

anyway

[broken kite]

idk how blizzard thought it was a good idea lol

[long bronze]

I just don't like how inconsistant they are with texture res on gear

or in general

BRM wep is awful

[prisma crane]

blizzard is arguably tame AF in the slutmog dept

[junior ivy]

heres creepy gnome slutmog. youre welcome

[prisma crane]

lmao

[ember arrow]

DELETE THAT

[long bronze]

brb need tissues

[tiny sphinx]

wow != tera

for better or worse

[long bronze]

that's a name I haven't heard in a long time

[junior ivy]

naclk view

back*

[broken kite]

yeah.

[long bronze]

mods

pls

[ember arrow]

thats like the default generic slutmog set

if u google slutmog

[long bronze]

in all it's glorious 240p glory

[ember arrow]

this prob coems up

[junior ivy]

its the only slutmog i have ok

[ember arrow]

i argue wow has too few slutmogs

[junior ivy]

for plate, i agree

[ember arrow]

every paladin walks around in that

[junior ivy]

theres plenty of cloth/leather slutmog

but almost nothing for plate

like 2 sets

[broken kite]

the armour should be the same for male and female

[ember arrow]

why

its not a realisitc portrayal

[ember arrow]

if it was medieval game

[junior ivy]

i got this purple outfit i just found

[ember arrow]

then maybe

[long bronze]

wtf second time today heroic leap has dc me

[ember arrow]

oh thats

the #2 generic lsutmogset

i think chest is something different usually

tfw gnomes have more tits than belfs FeelsBadMan

[long bronze]

nah man gnomes are lumpy af

[prisma crane]

yea theres hardly any plate ones

[ember arrow]

ima slutmog my male orc tank

lemme see

[broken kite]

way ahead of you

[long bronze]

Thralls balls!

[junior ivy]

i kind of like this set now...

i found a shield and mace.. lol

[long bronze]

you need the crystal spinny mace from BT maybe?

I forget what raid in BC

[junior ivy]

i like it with the halo lol

hm lemme see if i have a crystal spinny mace

this one?

[junior ivy]

i almost wanna raid tongiht with this purple slutmog.

[ember arrow]

i cant be arsed to edit my screenshots

[broken kite]

thats no warrior

[ember arrow]

i said orc tank

[long bronze]

yeah that mace lol

gross get that dk out of here

living orcs only

[ember arrow]

nahh proud of his name

[long bronze]

not too bad

[junior ivy]

you got a lot of toons

[long bronze]

my BrM is named smashed lol

no ascii

feels goodman

[ember arrow]

@junior ivy only really play 2 now as levels imply

[junior ivy]

my warriors name is hill which was the very first name i tried to use

[young marlin]

One more quick question. Why is AM better than HR? Why is more rage better than a flat increases in damage reduction? I see how it situationally can be especially against magic damage.

Does anyone have the formula to see how much damage is reduced By blocks and critical blocks

[long bronze]

my warrior is getbent lol

[broken kite]

battle cry removes CD for SS

am = faster cd on bc

[ember arrow]

HR isnt a flat increase in dmg reduction

[broken kite]

also last stand

also shield wall

[ember arrow]

AM is due to increaed uptime on cds

[broken kite]

aaaaaalllssssssssoooooooooo demoralizing shout

[ember arrow]

more rage>more cdr>more cds>more BC>more dps>more DS>more rage>more surv

[long bronze]

AM is soooooooo good with t21 2 set

synergy op

[ember arrow]

Hr wud be good on a boss that 1: only melees

2: does nothing else

and does that 100% of the time

and its not enough dmg to sue cds

so basically a quest mob with 1B hp

[long bronze]

AM + TWF puts your shield wall at like 1 min 30 sec CD

[ember arrow]

40 sec

[long bronze]

I've never actually timed it is it that short lol

[ember arrow]

39 is my record

[echo grail]

control your panties

[long bronze]

skeet

I wonder what you could do with lust + sephuz + twf + chrono shard

inb4 20 sec SW cd

[ember arrow]

cap haste

[echo grail]

dc

[young marlin]

HR is a flat increase in damage reduction of physical hits. With ability for 85%+ uptime of shield block.

Any of you mythic progression warrior tanks?

[ember arrow]

and not benefit as much

i am

[long bronze]

lol dc

[ember arrow]

wrektar

what of it?

[broken kite]

zzzzzz troll

[ember arrow]

Hr u must have 100% uptime

85% on AM

vsm elee on AHC for example

[tiny sphinx]

every warrior worth their salt runs AM

instead of arguing, try it

[ember arrow]

if u need extra SB u use pants

i can explain to him, no need to be dismissive

if he asks questions first

[young marlin]

Because mobs/bosses do a lot more physical damage.

Does anyone know the formula for block damage reduction?

[tiny sphinx]

well, seeing is believing, also

[young marlin]

In mythic

[ember arrow]

biggest threat is not melee swings

from bosses

secondly, u need cds to survive tankshred abilities, vurst dmg, smooth dmg intake

block DR is 30% base + any bastion relics adding 2% and artifat adds 10%

critblocks are double that

[long bronze]

so if I'm running TWF and AM is it pretty much Ideal to use SW ASAP?

[ember arrow]

yea

[broken kite]

i mean when you need it

[ember arrow]

well not REALLY on cd

but at any dmg

basically

[long bronze]

yeahh

[kind fjord]

You virtually never need 100% SBlock uptime as you don't really spend 100% of the time tanking

Plus, with AM, you have more frequent access to defensive CDs during times you are tanking, offering even more defense

[ember arrow]

AM is relaly appreciated on imonar

[kind fjord]

Plus...ya know...gotta do DPS

[ember arrow]

or at hounds even

portal keeper too

[long bronze]

But yeah I was hesitant to use AM until I started and realized how how fast it makes CD come up

it's really nuts

[kind fjord]

It's ungodly strong

Especially with 2 pc

[tiny sphinx]

as you mature as a tank you'll start to realize you need to do damage as well as do your standard thing, AM lets you do this

[ember arrow]

@young marlin block DR isnt different in mythic raids or normal dungeons or quest mobs

[kind fjord]

It's always been strong, though. It's only grown in effectiveness

[ember arrow]

its a certaint %

not dependant on difficulty

[long bronze]

damn I need to make a bank toon to hold all this unsullied gear

[broken kite]

use mail

[kind fjord]

Basically everything Levko said is right. Both have advantages. It's just that, once you have a firm grasp on what you're doing, AM has one up over HR in every category

[ember arrow]

HR is good but AM is much better

tldr

only "disadvantage" of AM is that u cant blindly use SB, u need to time it but i mean

timing active metigation shud be a thing anyway

[kind fjord]

"blondly"

XD

[ember arrow]

yea yea

[kind fjord]

Don't fix it

[young marlin]

I have died faster when I ran AM. I will try tonight

[kind fjord]

You'll need to be more judicious about your SBlock and CDs

[ember arrow]

"i have died faster"

logs

[kind fjord]

You should aim to be using your CDs as many times as possible during an encounter, while ensuring you have access to key ones at key times during the fight

[ember arrow]

how do u know its due to lack of HR

[kind fjord]

If you never use a CD, it's as if you literally didn't have it

[ember arrow]

if u can do imonar mythic

wit HR

i will pay 6 month sub

take 3 bombs, 2 severs

and cross bridge

lets see if SB uptime will save u

[long bronze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ypDv4MW16ck8NjL2#fight=10&type=damage-done&source=19

that guy has HR

😉

cough I mean me wheres my 6 month sub

[ember arrow]

i didnt say to what game

[long bronze]

lol

[tiny sphinx]

more like healer carry

[ember arrow]

what are u linking me chinese war propaganda

i cant read that

[tiny sphinx]

it's korean, ya doof

[ember arrow]

kim jong un

[young marlin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9wBv6zn72PLAfpTD/#fight=7&type=auras&target=9

[long bronze]

wipe 5 on hounds heroic wat

[ember arrow]

u use HR

[long bronze]

how are you only doing 300k dps

[ember arrow]

and block 31% of melees

how

[long bronze]

holy crap dood change to devastator ASAP

[ember arrow]

burning maw blocked >> 22.31%

that must be at least 85%

[kind fjord]

A couple of notes -- Don't burn CDs willy nilly and try to avoid overlap if you don't need. I see you immediately popped Demo Shout and SW right when you pulled the boss

[undone sun]

sb uptime less than 25%

[kind fjord]

Stagger out your defensives as necessary, favoring their use at high stacks

You can also force reset stacks early if you Heroic Leap out right before the debuff is applied, btw

Bit tricky, but works

[ember arrow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gCAwM9Jby6ra8zYQ#fight=15&type=damage-taken&source=11

this is my heroic log

from months ago

compare it, esp the burning maw blocks

[kind fjord]

High stack burning maw hurts like a bitch if you aren't blocking it. Aim for that 100%

[tiny sphinx]

sometimes I end up with 13 stacks, it's wonky but eh, muscle through it

[young marlin]

Mythic xD

[ember arrow]

oh

[long bronze]

levko do you tank swap in mythic?

[ember arrow]

is that mythic

[long bronze]

I see you have both maws

[kind fjord]

Same principles apply

[ember arrow]

i link wrong fight

i swap yes

[kind fjord]

You are missing some basics, Wrektar

[ember arrow]

but look at the dmg from maws

[long bronze]

I mean in general... haven't done mythic so was just wondering

[ember arrow]

0 fkin dmg

[kind fjord]

You need more judicious use of CDs and to aim for more SBlock uses, especially when Burning Maw is applied (typically ~3 sec left on your debuff)

[young marlin]

So when do we use shield block?

[ember arrow]

10 maws 12 mil dmg total

use t on maws

when theyre about to go off cd

use SB, or NF

or even SR

[undone sun]

considering SB is our active mitigation, as much as you can

[ember arrow]

something to metigate

[undone sun]

and the maws from both dogs are blockable

[long bronze]

here's my 95% damage parse in normal https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Wtdhn4j7bRckyGq8#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=3 kek

[tiny sphinx]

should be watching dbm timers like a hawk on certain things like that

[ember arrow]

that whole figt i look at microsoft excel

not at the boss

with the timers

essential is: Save SB for maws

chain cds when at 5+ stacks

[young marlin]

Is it wrong for having healers cocoon or barkskin or other defensive on us?

[undone sun]

no, but 90% of the time it shouldn't be necessary

especially on hounds

[ember arrow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RLTV8pmd9yAHCbg6#fight=2&type=damage-taken&source=1

THIs is my hc kill

one of them

[long bronze]

Wrektar I find this to be helpful https://wago.io/B1pfxTOtb

[ember arrow]

also consult pins for blockable/reflectable sheet

[kind fjord]

You using WeakAuras, Wrektar?

[junior ivy]

where do i find thbe postm,aster

[ember arrow]

postmasteR?

mail

[undone sun]

head towards the pet battle area in dal, before you hit the hole in the wall turn to the right of the pet cemetary, there' should be a big tube going into the ground

there's the postmaster

[young marlin]

Yes weakauras

[junior ivy]

ty thyme !!

[young marlin]

Thank you @long bronze

[long bronze]

sure thing dood

you'll figure it out.. I think you just need to work on your rotation in general there

your rage gen is prob super low

[junior ivy]

how do i get back out @undone sun lol

nm nm

i found it

[long bronze]

guildy got belt on his Spriest and a 970 ambi relic on his frost dk today

some people have all the luck

damn I need 4 more % on my speed set to have passive sprint lol

[prisma crane]

go for all crit

so that BC gives you additional 75% on top of it

[long bronze]

I'm not a maniac man

[prisma crane]

read: "wimp"

😉

[long bronze]

haha I know right

I have 16500 haste in it though

[prisma crane]

I've been slowly keeping my crit heavy shit

but now that i think about it

i def lost my 970 crit heavy shoulders

oh well

980 crit>vers chest and same on ring

plus codex

and all i ever get is crit stat sticks...

[fallow mural]

So... I've got a 960 haste/mast neck, haste heavy. Any reason to consider using a 965 socketed vers/mast neck over it? Surely the 7% haste is better than the extra other stats, even with the socket

[prisma crane]

i'd use the 965 one

but

i guess it depends

personally

[fallow mural]

I got it in my cache today, without it I only have 30% haste atm

[prisma crane]

100% would use

[fallow mural]

But I also have a 970 crit/mast neck with a thorns effect (choker of barbed reins)

[prisma crane]

965

30% is still a lot of haste

[long bronze]

hrm with my crit gear I get to 152

I need a chest and cape with crit

[fallow mural]

I keep wanting to push for 40%, but it's soo difficult while keeping 2pT20 + 2pT21

[long bronze]

16800 crit lol

[prisma crane]

yea but there's no need

[long bronze]

47% letsgooo

[fallow mural]

I dropped my T20 4pc, but keep thinking about going back to it

[prisma crane]

you got it lol

that's preference, but haste isnt that important

it feels nice but

not necessary

[fallow mural]

True

[prisma crane]

the neck is a tough choice, but with the socket too, i'd pick the 965

more stats overall

if i dropped under 25% (for dmg purposes) i'd keep the haste one

but that's my own preference

[long bronze]

yo krotos

don't bother with the crit thing lol

[fallow mural]

Hmmm, wondering if I can dedicate one of these necks to fury only, for the sake of enchants.

[long bronze]

my haste set vs my crit set is only 7% speed difference with BC up

oh well I'm dumb.. my crit is actually pretty high in my speed (haste) set

[prisma crane]

lol

what does fury want for neck piece?

well

[long bronze]

haste mast or vers mast or vers haste

really anything but crit

[prisma crane]

yea but i mean for enchants

[long bronze]

oo

satyr

[prisma crane]

cuz i use satyr anyways

while tanking

[fallow mural]

I've been thinking about going back to satyr on my tank neck

[prisma crane]

armor proc is of course 👌 for surv

[fallow mural]

I really don't think the heavy hide is that effective with proper CD usage

[prisma crane]

but, i dont feel i need it

[long bronze]

how much dps is satyr

[prisma crane]

i usually die because i played poorly, not because dmg intake was so high

[fallow mural]

Tbh when I die, it's usually me neglecting to watch my shield block usage, not because I don't have enough raw mitigation

yea

[prisma crane]

on my best vari kill it was about 2% of my dmg

so like

27.3k dps

[long bronze]

hrm

heavy hide also gets worse with gear no?

[prisma crane]

not really

armor always provides the same phys DR

no matter how muhc you have up to the cap

(which we cant hit)

[fallow mural]

Doesn't armor have diminishing returns?

[prisma crane]

3k armor will always reduce ur dmg taken by the same amount

yes

but

easy example

20% base armor (for math)

let's say 1k armor makes that 40%

means that 1k armor gave me 25% DR ( 80% to 60% dmg taken )

so that means the next 1k armor would do the same

so i would be at 55% ( .75 x 60% taken = 45% taken or 55% DR)

not 60%

so the overall % gain isnt as high, but the relative damage reduction is constant

[fallow mural]

I think I see what you're saying, but the way I look at it, even if the 1k armor still gives 25% addition DR, that 25% is going to be taken out of a smaller number the more armor you have

[junior ivy]

this postmaster stuff ooomg im so bad at knowing where towns are

[prisma crane]

but that doesnt matter

relative dmg reduction is all that matters

it's why Bastion is so strong

because it doesnt DR the same so it scales really fast

if you take 2m dmg per hit

that's how much dmg you take

who cares what the base dmg was

you take 2m

if you want it to be 10% less you need to improve your armor DR by 10%

which at ~60% base armor (roughly) means you have to get that to 64%

it's a smaller number but the damage reduction is the same

at 90% armor only 1% more would do the same as that 4%

[fallow mural]

I suppose I see. I wasn't sure what you initially meant by only the relative dmg reduction matters, but I do see what you're saying now.

[prisma crane]

again, this relative difference is also why every additional point of bastion is stronger than the previous point

[long bronze]

is bastion that much stronger than dragon skins or VST?

[prisma crane]

the last point in bastion reduces CB dmg taken by 25%!

6th reduces by 20%

and 5th reduces by 16.7%

considerably, yes

[long bronze]

ugh rip I'm 5/5 bast 6/6 dragon skin and 7/7 vst

thought I wasn't too bad

[prisma crane]

it's not even a contest tbh

ignoring crit blocks

going from 38% to 40% block is 3.2% less dmg taken

40 to 42 is 3.33

42 to 44 is 3.45

[long bronze]

is that just when SB is active though?

[prisma crane]

yes

well

when you block

you can still block without SB up

[long bronze]

true

[prisma crane]

but SB should be up for anything that matters anyways

[long bronze]

also true

[prisma crane]

brb driving home from work...

[long bronze]

that's something I need to be way better about is using SB when its needed instead of when it falls

[prisma crane]

^ yes

[glacial sage]

Timing SB is a difficult thing to do

[prisma crane]

me too, but because i play too offensively sometimes

[long bronze]

so what imonar, PK, Argus, aggramar are like the only bosses where you should roll SB

or did I miss some

gorathi

coven, kin, veri, hounds, hc I should save a charge for the tank busters

maybe not coven.. I don't think their shit is blockable

or kin actually fuck lol

[young marlin]

Why is it that fury gets a purgatory effect but not prot? Wish we all got valkyr

[long bronze]

we are too gansta for that

[tiny sphinx]

lots of other tanks get an auto-ohshitsaveme cd, the babies

[glacial sage]

We're not babies like them

[tiny sphinx]

coddled I tell ya

[glacial sage]

Puny death knights and paladins

Don't even know the basic rule of WoW, keep your health above 0 while lowering your enemies to 0

[long bronze]

it still makes me chuckle how we outheal dk on veri

[glacial sage]

I outheal my dk tank all the time, with less damage taken, and more dps

It's a spicy meatball

[echo grail]

prot warr too op

[long bronze]

cuz you aren't a baby

[echo grail]

nerf inc

[glacial sage]

get rid of ignore pain

we don't need it

[undone sun]

mostly because of Inspiring, no nerf needed

[echo grail]

inspiring has been removed

[glacial sage]

as long as we deal like 50 million dps we can ez not die

[echo grail]

15% dmg reduc to all abilities

ignore pain 10 sec cd

[glacial sage]

[long bronze]

whoa whao kara stop

[young marlin]

Ya, so many other tanks talk crap on prot warriors cause they think we are the worst tanks

[long bronze]

im gonna cry

they are dumb

prot is just more complicated

and their brains are too small

[glacial sage]

I doubt they even watch rick and morty

puny mortals

[long bronze]

ahhaha the memes

[glacial sage]

memes?

[long bronze]

dank memes

[glacial sage]

What are memes?

[young marlin]

Literally everyone says prot isn't viable for H/M raiding because we have little mitigation.

Are they just dumb because we arent to a bop it class (paladins) and don't have 100% uptime like a fluffy bear and we don't have 14m health

[ember arrow]

we are all about metigation

lol

[young marlin]

*they are

[glacial sage]

You don't have 16 mil hp? Someone didn't take indom, bad

[young marlin]

Lol

I still only hang around 11.4m with indom

[ember arrow]

dont uwse indom

[glacial sage]

I'm 7.9 mil atm

[young marlin]

I don't xD

[ember arrow]

9.2 mil atm

[glacial sage]

It's a yolk u silly boi

[young marlin]

I sit at 8.6m with the eye

[long bronze]

damn feels bad 8.28 mil atm

[ember arrow]

9.2 no stam trinks

[long bronze]

sir your dick is large

whats your ilvl

[glacial sage]

Taking the 4pc sucks my dude

[young marlin]

Should I swap the eye to other eye for the armor?

[ember arrow]

969 eq

[long bronze]

wooooo nice

[young marlin]

You solo tank heroic aggrammar yet?

[glacial sage]

If you're not 990+ u should start farming

[ember arrow]

i did

solotanking aggramar isnt much of a feat as long as someone tanks 1 of the adds

[young marlin]

You just stack big adds and nuke?

Ahhh

[ember arrow]

i wont die

but others will

[young marlin]

Lol yep

[long bronze]

kinda like trying to stack hounds lol

people are always like CAN THE TANKS DO IT

[ember arrow]

did that too

[long bronze]

then everyone dies to the aoe

[young marlin]

Ya... 200% damage maws

[long bronze]

I did it on normal

[ember arrow]

hc 25 man

was fun

[long bronze]

was like exactly the same amount of damage as heroic

[young marlin]

Normal is possible

[ember arrow]

1.5mil hps

[long bronze]

man I want the bracers

UGH

[young marlin]

Same but hands and belt should do

[long bronze]

I also don't have hands

blizzard decided to do this to me

you boys ready

[young marlin]

Aye

[tiny sphinx]

have not unequipped gloves since i got them back in EN

[glacial sage]

bracers are over rated and gloves can't be used

[long bronze]

shoulders > boots > soul > prydaz > belt

err

not prydaz

sephuz

it's a miracle I didn't delete this toon when I got the boots after the shoulders

[young marlin]

Whoever said warriors are stupid... are stupid. We have to be the smartest to be the best.

Before the tank nerf on prydaz it rocked

[ember arrow]

no

[long bronze]

eh for us not really

[ember arrow]

prydaz was never good for tanks

warriro tanks espiecially

[long bronze]

yeah our hp pool

too small

best for bear but still then not good

[undone sun]

no

[ember arrow]

not bcaus of that

uts unreliable

[undone sun]

15% is still 15%

doesn't matter the hp

[ember arrow]

waht do u mean

15% of 12 mil is more than 15% of 9mil

[long bronze]

I think he is saying its crap either way lol

not arguing that it is slightly better if you have more hp

[young marlin]

Worked great for M EN for me. Last stand plus prydaz

[long bronze]

that's just my take

[ember lake]

it is better with more hp tho

[undone sun]

it was even worse for tanks in EN because it required you to not take damage for X amount of time

[young marlin]

Didn't have anything except sephuz then

[ember arrow]

ye prydaz as 30sec n odmg taken

idk how u managed that as tank

[long bronze]

it also had less stats then

besides the ilvl difference

[young marlin]

Gunna try to dig logs

[tiny sphinx]

early xpac was the age of shitty orange drops

[long bronze]

I think it was only 2 and not all 3?

I for one am ready for BFA's no legos and no tier

[young marlin]

Agreed

[glacial sage]

That would be wonderful

I wouldn't have to have 30 different sets

[long bronze]

I don't like feeling gimped until you have the best ones

[young marlin]

But titanforging continues...

[long bronze]

there are worse things

at least titanforging has an upside

[tiny sphinx]

tier is fine, just give us 8 pieces again to widen the mix n match options

[long bronze]

yeah jokan until they give you a shit tier bonus again

[tiny sphinx]

the bonuses weren't shitty, the order of the bonuses were shitty

[hot gull]

@950 what should my mastery be?

ish?

[prisma crane]

honestly

whatever it ends up being

we dont shoot for specific values

[young marlin]

Do prot warriors not really care about stats?

[prisma crane]

not more than STR

[long bronze]

yeah we care about haste

and not having crit

[young marlin]

Or do we just not try to go for stats above item lvl

[long bronze]

but mostly ilvl

[prisma crane]

but not at the expense of ilvl

[hot gull]

i know that , im at 79% and feel a lil over

[prisma crane]

we go for stats at relatively equal ilvl

[long bronze]

you're close to the meme build

[glacial sage]

Not having 100%

Bad

[young marlin]

So if had to lose 23% haste to equip hands and belt... it is fine?

[glacial sage]

Not using 2pc4pc?

[long bronze]

23% haste from 2 items??

[young marlin]

Don't ask how things roll xD. Maybe it was the 16

[prisma crane]

would be 4 pieces btw

[tiny sphinx]

I feel vulnerable [and slow] under 33% haste

[glacial sage]

same

I'm at 44% and going lower feels bad

[long bronze]

44 lol

[tiny sphinx]

yes, once u start pushing 40s-50 you're like I WILL NEVER SLOW DOWN

[long bronze]

jelly

[glacial sage]

I can get to 54% with my haste set

[young marlin]

Lol... gotta go fast

[glacial sage]

44% is with 2pc4pc

[long bronze]

let the rage flow your though

[glacial sage]

Marok streaming? Hells yeah I'm joining

[long bronze]

did I just have a stroke

let the rage flow through you

damn

[hallow phoenix]

T_T. Only legendary left now is mannoroth's

[young marlin]

Get angry

Ouch

[tiny sphinx]

why is he the wrong class?

[young marlin]

We have a heretic amongst us?
Start the crusades of the Valajar!
FOR ODYN!!!

[long bronze]

oh no the bear meta

it consumes another

[young marlin]

He going to bear the real meta. To arms brothers!

[glacial sage]

@fierce juniper Your stream has no sound

[tiny sphinx]

all the better, don't have to listen to the rawrs

[glacial sage]

rawr xd

[young marlin]

Not much for inciting rebellions you guys

[long bronze]

@fierce juniper stack them I bet you won't 😉

[calm cove]

he wont hes a pussy

[tiny sphinx]

marok is the last guy i'd figure would use the default damage number ui element, it's so bad compared to addons like msbt or whatever

[young marlin]

One of his roles on discord is "secretly a druid" xD

[prisma crane]

lmao Ak

[glacial sage]

@fierce juniper @calm cove Is calling you out

[undone sun]

marok isn't known for his good uis

[calm cove]

ye that Ui is p horrible

[tiny sphinx]

everything else about his ui is fairly clean tho

[calm cove]

pussy confirmed

[prisma crane]

i just tried clicking that ready check

[glacial sage]

silly boy

[long bronze]

you're just so damn ready

[young marlin]

My UI got hit by mythic Argus. So much chaos from elvui update

[long bronze]

I've used the same UI since wrath

[uncut rain]

odyn is a fraud

[long bronze]

that I made myself

[uncut rain]

we should all rebel

and take this discord back for the true warriors

[long bronze]

I actually have a video on youtube of it way back then lel

man I hate hounds

[young marlin]

What do we yell "FOR ______"? Gotta yell something as we storm forth

[long bronze]

I don't have backpeddle bound so

rip

[young marlin]

I hate consuming maw

Oh you too

[glacial sage]

It isn't that bad

[young marlin]

So badz

[glacial sage]

Having to move into team mates

[long bronze]

I usually just face the dog so I can strafe

works most of the time

gets hairy sometimes lol

[tiny sphinx]

oh man bear druids are so riveting to watch

[glacial sage]

TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASH TRASHTRASH TRASH TRASH TRASHTRASH TRASH TRASH

[tiny sphinx]

the edge of my seat is about to break off

[glacial sage]

sorry, I meant thrash

silly me

[young marlin]

I wish we could break fear on hounds...

[undone sun]

can prevent it

[long bronze]

always feels bad when a druid in travel form has more hp than me

[glacial sage]

I've seen dps with more hp

[long bronze]

you just BR before it goes off wrektar

[young marlin]

And break it xD

Funny how warriors get the more painful dog

[long bronze]

one dog is more painful ?

[glacial sage]

shadow

[young marlin]

Yes fire

[glacial sage]

right?

[long bronze]

oh god conflict

[young marlin]

Fire hits easily 20-30% harder

[glacial sage]

The fel hound hurts the most

[long bronze]

I've tanked both and not seen a difference

[glacial sage]

I didn't notice

[young marlin]

The flame stacks

[long bronze]

but only norm and heroic

so maybe diff mechanic?

[undone sun]

they both equal out to about the same, the fire dog dots tick faster and the shadow dog dots tick harder

[long bronze]

or I'm just that mongoloid

[glacial sage]

The fel hound is the worst though, amirite?

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[young marlin]

Heroic for me. I will test it again tonight but it might be from my lack of maw blocks

[glacial sage]

[undone sun]

have only ever tanked fire

[glacial sage]

I tank both of them while the puny druid tank stands in the corner

[young marlin]

Lol

[long bronze]

monk in that raid group is named fistgodx

kinky

[young marlin]

My raid leader who be pissed if I showed up and solo tanked dogs

[tiny sphinx]

saw a monk solo tank dogs once, but it was normal

[glacial sage]

Having a raid group is over rated

[calm cove]

someone ping me when marok dies

[undone sun]

lol

[tiny sphinx]

pfff, he's a druid, he won't die, he just won't do anything remarkable either

[young marlin]

What do I need to do it on heroic?

What do I need to do it on heroic?

[glacial sage]

do what

[young marlin]

Both dogs

[glacial sage]

Healers that understand when to use externals

and a big pecker

[young marlin]

Alright. I don't need heals. MWHWHAHA

[tiny sphinx]

dat cinematic camera angle

[young marlin]

Who else thinks we need more unskippable cut screens like ToT?

[glacial sage]

we need all of them

atleast 30 minutes before and after each boss

[young marlin]

Lol

Agreed

[glacial sage]

45 minutes for trash packs

have to buy 3 wow tokens to skip 1 minute

[young marlin]

And if you wipe it resets

All of it

[glacial sage]

you have to rewatch the entire raid

[young marlin]

I an so down

*am

Just to let everyone know... if only 1 person gets hit by flame rend on aggrammar you will fly to another dimension. Unless you charge/heroic leap

[rugged light]

for relics, are we going Ilevel over trait?

[glacial sage]

BoA is wonderful for survivability

[young marlin]

Would say no

[glacial sage]

so if you need it you should take it

[young marlin]

Unless it's a crap trait for crap trait but more item lvl

[rugged light]

just got a reven relic that gives 3 levels over my stam

[young marlin]

Reven?

[rugged light]

Revenge*

[young marlin]

Would say keep current imo

[rugged light]

kk thank you

[long bronze]

the dps relics are pretty trash

like fractions of a percent increase in dps

[young marlin]

Agreed but maybe crucible is better on that crap dps trait then stam that gives you the stam buff

[long bronze]

bastion relics are super dooper good

stam trait is also pretty bad

[young marlin]

Check in crucible. It might give stam buff

[long bronze]

bastion, dragon skin, and VST are really the only artifact traits worth anything

[young marlin]

Yep but if he already has stam and the revenge trait has stam as well he just gets stats

[long bronze]

unless you want to go fast then go 3/3 lightspeed

😉

[young marlin]

Aye

Gotta go fast!

[long bronze]

• timeless strat + aggramars stride + 7/7 leaping giants

the dream

[glacial sage]

7/7 leaping giants over 7/7 bastion and 7/7 rage every day

[young marlin]

Ah damn! Get your stratagem before legendaries don't drop anymore. Need It for old content

[undone sun]

got a 970 leaping giants relic out of my weekly today

wanted to kms

[young marlin]

Lol

[glacial sage]

lucky

[glacial sage]

so lucky

I want that

all i got was a 985 arcano

😢

[young marlin]

I got a 960 crit mastery wrists. Needless to say my wrists are bleeding xD

[long bronze]

only plebs take defense over speed

[young marlin]

Gotta go faaaaasssssttt!

[long bronze]

why do you need defense when the boss can't catch you

meta

[tiny sphinx]

sanic the horgeheg

[glacial sage]

It solo tanked heroic kj when my tank died by running away from fel claws

[little rain]

Numero uno pupperino war

[glacial sage]

Not pulling 13 million? I don't know man

[vast sedge]

@little rain ur lucky we stopped logging or id have you beat by 50k 😦

[little rain]

More like my guild is full of bitches who wont let me tank the dogs together for more than 12 seconds

😦

[vast sedge]

we dont even clump them for 1s

😦

[little rain]

wat

[warm plinth]

I had a LFR group call me a noob tank because I grouped dogs for lust 🙃

[languid rose]

you then kept them grouped for the rest?

[warm plinth]

Nah, they wiped because they're bad so I just separated them

The other tank was squishy as fuck anyway

[languid rose]

what if you taunt the other one 🤔

[cloud bone]

You get some defensive value from Strength flasks right cus it affects IP or am i wrong?

[glacial sage]

technically you would but there are better flasks

[warm plinth]

Are there? What flask do you use 🤔

[glacial sage]

Intellect, what else?

[warm plinth]

For the harder hidden satyr hits? 😂

[undone sun]

@cloud bone correct

more than stam

[young marlin]

So Argus on lfr apparently hits hard? The other tank died at 2 stacks

[warm plinth]

Errr

I don't even really care about shield block until like 5 stacks on LFR

What class was he?

[young marlin]

So I had 37 stacks before he died

[warm plinth]

Keep in mind too that you only have to be like 890 to queue for ATB LFR

And you're probably dealing with a lot of boosted 110s too

[glacial sage]

you start off at 873 when boosted

What do you need for lfr?

[young marlin]

900?

[glacial sage]

you can get that easy with argus

[young marlin]

Indeed

[warm plinth]

I believe it's 890 for LFR. But my point is that you're dealing with people who probably have no freaking clue how to play their class

And being barely geared enough for what they're doing on top of that means they're not going to survive easily

[young marlin]

I just feel a 914 iten lvl bear can atke 4 or 5 stacks without dieing

[warm plinth]

Yeah, if they're actually casting Ironfur, they should

[long bronze]

I did 16 stacks in lfr lol

then i ded

[modest crest]

Normally don’t ask much about what gear to use but here’s my situation: current stats are 21/37/39/9 crit haste mast verse with a 945 ring with 2800 haste and 1200 mastery. Just got a 960 ring with 1700 verse and 2500 mastery taking me to 21/30/44/12 stats. What do you guys think?

Can also enchant and socket new ring with haste so I’d actually probably be more like 31 or 32%

[halcyon siren]

btw has anyone determined if rage is going to be RFDT or mainly from autos and abilities in BFA? :/

[undone sun]

judging by the datamined tooltips and what not, it seems just from auto attacks

[halcyon siren]

😦

[young marlin]

What move do you SR block on felhounds

forgot its name

[broken hemlock]

what 2 leggos for prot - bracers, argus ring, soul of the battle lord , meme shoulders

?

[young marlin]

bracer/argus

[broken hemlock]

battlelord shit?

[undone sun]

it's good unles syou have t21

@young marlin maws

[broken hemlock]

i have t21

[undone sun]

insignia still entirely depends on your t2 traits in the crucible, battlelord still might beat it if you have shit traits

[pastel blade]

For mythic Vari..the shadow strike...Do i need to sue SR on that or just pump IP?

looking at logs, doesn't look to be blockable

[undone sun]

alternate CDs and SR

correct

[pastel blade]

Ok

thanks

[pastel blade]

3 pulls later and have my first M-vari kill

[undone sun]

nice

[pastel blade]

thanks!!

[sick sentinel]

aye got top parses for three bosses for prot wars on my server lmao.

its only heroic but its something

\o/

coven, imonar, and kingaroth

[long bronze]

how are you checking just your server?

[sick sentinel]

search for it in the searchbar on WCL

and then you can filter down

[long bronze]

ah okay

[junior ivy]

2 things i needed dropped in raid tonight. got neither. im never gonna get an upgrade lol

[sick sentinel]

Forged in Flames: Reduces damage taken from Physical attacks by 1%.

hnggggggg

dark iron racial

s

Dungeon Delver: While indoors, move 4% faster.
Fireblood: Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and increases your primary stat by 100 for each effect removed. Lasts 8 sec.
Forged in Flames: Reduces damage taken from Physical attacks by 1%.
Mole Machine: While outdoors, summon a Mole Machine that tunnels through the earth.
Mass Production: Items crafted by Blacksmithing are created twice as quickly.

we get stoneform back

[broken kite]

what the fuck

[sick sentinel]

this pleases me greatly

i already play dwarf and was planning on going dark iron

[broken kite]

fireblood is fucking OP

[fallow knot]

he was talking about fireblood, and I'm not sure how to think about it since theres going to be the number crunch. not sure how much 100 primary stat will be worth. Also no idea the CD time on fireblood shrug seems good though

[warm plinth]

Oh

I don't think it's any more OP than Stoneform. First of all, how often do you have multiple effects to clear at the same time? It's mostly going to be a 100 to all stats buff for 8 seconds instead of a 10% damage reduction for 8 seconds.

[fallow knot]

oh wow, just go and delete your message so I look like I'm talking to nobody. thanks @warm plinth 😃

[warm plinth]

No problem man! 😄

[fallow knot]

yeah that was my thoughts too, you'd have to plan ahead to really maximize it if you wanted to get 5-600 stat and hope you don't die... again though not real sure if thats going to be likely to occur on the regular anyway come BfA.

female dark iron dwarf model just looks gross

[warm plinth]

Not to mention, you'd have to beat your healer to dispelling in a raid scenario, since it's not efficient to expect them to double check the name of the person before they dispel you

Yeah I saw that and threw up in my mouth a bit

The hair styles are kinda cool though

[fallow knot]

lol

[warm plinth]

Different, at least

[fallow knot]

oh I mean I like the hair style that makes them look like a raging psychopath... (all of them)

[warm plinth]

XD

I was less than impressed with the customization options for Dark Iron Dwarves though tbh.

[fallow knot]

so far I'm less than impressed with every allied race. really kind of a bummer how little customization there is

[warm plinth]

Well, I didn't expect it to be crazy because the idea was reskins of old models

But I think the rest look different enough that they stand out

Whereas DID don't really

It just looks like a dwarf with a couple more skin tones

[fallow knot]

more defined muscles.. or something. yeah you're right about the DID I suppose

[warm plinth]

Idk, I'm excited to see the heritage armor though

That might make it worth it on its own. That armor is the sole reason I want a HMT

[fallow knot]

meh

[warm plinth]

Not a fan of the heritage armor Humantelope?

[fallow knot]

I could take or leave it. Not a fan of the idea only going to the allied races. Why not gnomes? Leper gnomes should be an allied race

[warm plinth]

I'd rather have mechagnomes than leper gnomes

[broken kite]

can we remove a gnome race instead of adding one

[warm plinth]

Gnomes are the master race. Azeroth would fall apart without them.

[fallow knot]

Lol

Mechagnomes are literally just normal every day gnomes though in my opinion. Leper gnomes could be a different story .

[warm plinth]

Mechagnomes could have like...mechanical limbs, and then instead of heritage armor, they could get a cosmetic mount that's useable in combat that's like one of those big ass things that Mekkatorque drives

And their racial mount could be where they just sprout mechanical spider legs. It would be awesome

That being said, if we did do a gnome allied race, leper gnome seems more likely since the skins are closer

[fallow knot]

Yeah but he's just a normal gnome that likes playing with mechanical shit is my point. What's special about that? Every gnome loves mechanical shit. A leper gnomes background could be more drawn out similar to the nightborne all rejected and shit

[warm plinth]

True. I just don't want heritage armor that's just radiated rags XD

[fallow knot]

I think mechagnomes are the easier and more fun sell though so if blizzard did anything they'll go that route I'm sure

Just want more interesting things other than oh look my mechanical dog blew up because I'm so silly. Teehee

[warm plinth]

You wouldn't think it was cool to ride around in one of those mechs though? Or sprout mechanical spider legs to mount?

I just think there's a lot of potential there

I do agree that leper gnomes have more of a backstory though

[fallow knot]

I can already ride on a mechanical chicken. Buy the mount in dun morogh

[warm plinth]

Pffft

What the hell is that dude's name that they fight in the gnome intro line

That's the kind of shit I'm talking about

Like they started to modify themselves because they were so into the mechanical shit

[broken kite]

purge the gnomes

[fallow knot]

Yeah I could dig that and like I said I expect if blizzard goes that route with gnomes it'll be mechagnomes. Would loved to be surprised though

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'd be happy either way; the world needs more gnomes

[fallow knot]

Totally

[hallow phoenix]

15% haste....

I feel like thats just too low even with all these ilvl upgrades

Got a 980 neck off mythic hounds 😃

feels good

35 ilvl upgrade

[warm plinth]

15% sounds awful 😢 Might be worth farming some dungeon jewelry with high haste main stat.

[hallow phoenix]

it is awful lol