protection

[ember arrow]

it doenst even slow anymore

[scarlet mango]

will remember

oh nice

[ember arrow]

not nice

i loved having priests stuck inside

Obi wan: Hello there

insert

idk why they were in melee range

but thats another issue entirely

[warm plinth]

I got gripped out of cudgel once by a priest 🙃

[ember arrow]

i got gripped into shield

on 3rd boss

[warm plinth]

lol!

[ember arrow]

i said erwg13g13h1rb1rbr3r3rh

[warm plinth]

Were you mad?

LOL

[ember arrow]

something liek that

if i type its either passive aggressive

[scarlet mango]

hahahaa

[ember arrow]

or i spam keyboard to not insult for ban

[scarlet mango]

alright guys

you've been so helpful

yo'ure awesome

[ember arrow]

wait

u said ur french

[scarlet mango]

I'll definitely come back

[ember arrow]

does that mean

u are french

[scarlet mango]

I LOVE BAGUETTE ?

[ember arrow]

but speak english

[scarlet mango]

I have a very good english actually ;p

[ember arrow]

irony

[scarlet mango]

without the french accent

yeah that's pretty ironic

[warm plinth]

I'm American and my english sucks

[scarlet mango]

lmao

[ember arrow]

MURIKA

[scarlet mango]

isn't that baseline for americans ?

Kappa

[warm plinth]

Basically

And none of us speak multiple languages either

[scarlet mango]

well you already speak the most important

[warm plinth]

Meanwhile in Europe, everyone's speaking at least two

[scarlet mango]

but yeah

I see what you mean

it's ok I don't blame you

[warm plinth]

I've always wanted to learn another one, but at the same time, when would I ever use it?

[ember arrow]

also emile

imps in coen

[scarlet mango]

yup

[ember arrow]

reflect all their blasts

they rape themselves

[scarlet mango]

hell yeah

and last boss of upper

[ember arrow]

but be4 it goes off

group stuns

[scarlet mango]

SR dot

:p

[sick sentinel]

Do we still take devestator with t21?

[ember arrow]

always

[sick sentinel]

KK

[ember arrow]

especially wit t21

[warm plinth]

It works on CoS imps too doesn't it?

[sick sentinel]

warlords challenge?

[ember arrow]

cos imps shoot random ppl

[scarlet mango]

yeah but it's not all on you

[warm plinth]

Yeah but if you leap in ahead

First barrage hits you

[scarlet mango]

better not hope [nb of imps] * 1/5

[ember arrow]

they do channel

its not reflectable

[warm plinth]

The first cast is always firebolt though

Which is the single target one

[ember arrow]

meh theyre not as reliable

[warm plinth]

Fiar enough

Fair*

[ember arrow]

unlesss ur only target they can see

all shoot on u

pretty sure

[scarlet mango]

holy shit you can reflect sunder ?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, they always all cast on me for the first one

[ember arrow]

yea

2nd boss is reflex test

[warm plinth]

Because I leap in

[ember arrow]

im so used to it

[scarlet mango]

my life just changed

[stuck oxide]

does tank can get the chain in mythic Argus p3 ?

[ember arrow]

NL is easieest dungeon

"whats metigation check"

[warm plinth]

You still have to use CDs for Ularogg don't you? I doubt you can get all Sunders even with pants?

[ember arrow]

NL is pants for 3 bosses

ulrogg doesnt hit that hard

if u use cds

[stuck oxide]

does tank can get targeted by the chain in mythic Argus p3 if there is not enought people

[undone sun]

yes

[scarlet mango]

alright, what do you do for attumen? Leap out of shared suffering ?

[ember arrow]

i soak it

like a man

[scarlet mango]

what if i be pussy ?

[warm plinth]

Then yeah, you can leap it

[ember arrow]

i pretend its maiden mythic

[warm plinth]

Or intercept

[ember arrow]

and equip myself like it is

[scarlet mango]

yeah, but what if he does it multiple times in a row

[warm plinth]

He will, most likely

[ember arrow]

titanguard, AHR

then titanguard si up

[scarlet mango]

stop levko, I'm a pussy

[ember arrow]

u can leap out last second

[warm plinth]

So intercept a friendly to get out, intercept another friendly to get out, then leap the third one (if there is one)

[scarlet mango]

ahhaha alright

[warm plinth]

Or use leap shoulders

[scarlet mango]

lmao

[warm plinth]

And just leap all 3

[scarlet mango]

6 dodges

[ember arrow]

orrrr

u soak

[warm plinth]

Or soak it

[scarlet mango]

stfu

[warm plinth]

With 50% of your HP

[ember arrow]

which is more fun

[scarlet mango]

😂

[ember arrow]

i soaked +21 tyranical

95%

[warm plinth]

Unless you get lucky and parry Mortal Strike

[ember arrow]

proper cd usage ftw

[warm plinth]

Then you're fine

[scarlet mango]

well i don't have any defensive trinkets

[ember arrow]

titanguard+SR+SW+DS

whats a sharded suffering

mroe like shared

nothing

[warm plinth]

But then you can't soak the next one because Titanguard and SW will still be on CD

[scarlet mango]

lol

[ember arrow]

LS+AHR+SR

whats shared suffering

+DS

[scarlet mango]

hahaha

[warm plinth]

That's enough on a 21 tyrannical with 50% of your health?

[scarlet mango]

titanguard is aggramar trinket ?

[ember arrow]

its enough to be 100%

[warm plinth]

So that's assuming you blocked MS

Er, parried

[ember arrow]

no

[warm plinth]

Or do you leap away for MS

[ember arrow]

no

[warm plinth]

Then how do you solo soak with 5 mil hp

[ember arrow]

all that

u also got some IP

atleast 2 mil

[warm plinth]

LS+AHR+SR on 21 Tyrannical with 5 mil hp? That seems hard to believe

The first one I believe

[ember arrow]

want me to stream?

[warm plinth]

But that combo doesn't seem like it's enough. Titanguard alone is what, 18 mil?

[ember arrow]

i did do it

titanguard is 21.6mil

[warm plinth]

And you still needed Wall and SR

[ember arrow]

on mine anyway

i dont reember how dmg was calculated

[scarlet mango]

going to bed, thanks again guys ❤

[ember arrow]

but

SW=40%

SR=50%

[scarlet mango]

will definitely talk to you again

[ember arrow]

5% fro mvers in my case

[scarlet mango]

gotta make prot warrior shine again

[ember arrow]

5 mil hp + ls is 9 mil

[scarlet mango]

I want people to want me in their group without thinking it's a trap

[ember arrow]

AHR is 3mil

2mil IP at least

[warm plinth]

Shared is like...a fuckton at 21 tyr

[scarlet mango]

goodnight, good evening

[warm plinth]

Idk how much it is

10 mil on base mythic right?

[ember arrow]

11 mil on m+10

Thyme is the "dmg based on m+10 imn sheet based off of tyranical?

@warm plinth did u master dodging hymdalls sweep yet?

[undone sun]

No

[ember arrow]

so of of +10 non tyranical boss

[tawny crown]

no point soaking when u can leap out

works everytime

[ember arrow]

wheres the fun in that? i never died to it

[tawny crown]

way more fun. leaping out last second , especially with a following shared. leap, intercet

ive never personally tried apaking though. but ive also never got a titanguard drop

[sick sentinel]

what is the two best defensive prot leggys? mannoroth and archimondes?

[ember arrow]

wrists and belt/hands/TWF

depends

[sick sentinel]

ty :9

😃

[fleet galleon]

915 Ampoule of Pure Void any good?

[tawny crown]

just did 1.5 mil third boss vault

4th

happy with that

[prisma crane]

@warm plinth just leap out for the shared suffering

ah nvm, you said that earlier still

no point soaking it unless you must

[spark mortar]

Soul of the Battlelord, any usage in Prot anymore?

[prisma crane]

once you have T21 2p, not really

[sick sentinel]

is 4 piece even worth it?

[prisma crane]

yes

it works out to about the same amount of additional IPs as T20 2 or 4p alone

[modest crest]

When did shield wall become 40%? I thought it was 75%? I ended up dying to a foe breaker just using shield wall. Does it not count as active mitigation or something?

[prisma crane]

whoa there

first off

only SB counts as AM

and, it's been 40% for a long time

[modest crest]

And nelth?

[prisma crane]

nope

though

foe breaker isnt an AM check

so NF is good anyways

[modest crest]

Trying to understand how I died to it if it reduces by 40%

[untold vigil]

dmg * 0.6 > your health probably

[modest crest]

Interesting theory. Though doesn’t seem grounded

[prisma crane]

i mean

do you have a log?

[modest crest]

No sure if we got one for it.

[prisma crane]

regardless

[modest crest]

I know I started moving forward when he did it

I’m wondering if I got ahead of it and it hit me in the back ?

The “graphic” seemed behind me

[prisma crane]

well

you werent blocking it anyways

so in teh back wouldnt matter

just have SB up

or, better still, use NF

but for mythic i just use SB and it's fine

[modest crest]

Yeah I think I was just short on shield block and popped SW instead

Apparently I misunderstood it and never checked the tooltip

[prisma crane]

it's just a damge reduction, nothing fancy

[dreamy epoch]

Can anyone explain to me the tactic of not running out with fel bombardment when tanking?

Seeing a lot in logs of 100% uptime on garothi

[warm plinth]

@modest crest You shouldn't have died to it if you had Shield Wall up, even if it did hit you in the back. It was the first Foebreaker right? It's not an active mitigation check (there are no active mitigation checks in raids), so any damage reduction would be fine.

And even with Bastion, shield block isn't as big as Shield Wall for damage reduction, since a block is 38% with 4/4

So if Block keeps you alive, Wall would have too

@ember arrow I haven't had the chance to test it recently. Haven't done much on my warrior and been spending most of my play time this week teaching the gf how to tank properly.

[modest crest]

Yeah it took me by surprise. Never had issues ever

[dreamy epoch]

Also was it just said that the T21 4pc is just as good as the T20 4pc?

[warm plinth]

I would argue that that isn't true. T21 isn't as bad as was originally thought but there's no way it's as good as the T20 (in conjunction with T21 2pc especially).

That being said, you don't always need the T20 4pc, and the T21 4pc is decent and has the benefit of not handicapping your ilevel.

And opens up the option to use the gloves legendary as well, since you won't have every tier slot filled

[subtle fable]

T20 is dead to me now - still carrying it around but pretty much never equip it

Only had a couple mythic pieces though and mostly not raid tanking so..

[dreamy epoch]

I have all the T20 pieces at mythic ilvl and have the antorus pieces at heroic ilvl. I aleays kept t20 equipped up until now but maybe that isnt optimal im not sure

[warm plinth]

I mean, for defensive purposes, it's the best.

But you don't necessarily need that much defense

[final mist]

It's only really necessary for going heavily defensive.

[dreamy epoch]

I may keep it equipped for progress and remove for heroic runs etc in that case

I feel like antoran high command mythic is smacking me to pieces, even at 962 equipped

Getting 9.9M melee hits if i ever go above 2 stacks

[warm plinth]

Shouldn't be going over 2 stacks though

That's a co-tank problem, not a you problem, if they're not taking the boss off you at the 2nd stack

[dreamy epoch]

Ye ofc

But my dh co tank can take up to 7

And i cant take 3

Feels weird that difference

[final mist]

DHs parry a lot, but you should be fine if you get an extra stack or two.

Not that you should.

[modest crest]

My DH co tank can take 6 fiery strikes from coven too. Idk how. 3 is really painful without SR for me

I thought they were ranked the worst for this tier too

[dreamy epoch]

Imo they arent bad at all

[warm plinth]

Idk. "Can take" is something I hear a lot for this raid tier. Making your life harder for no reason though in most cases

[dreamy epoch]

Just very unpredictable

With all of their procs

[modest crest]

Well being able ended up saving the raid while I was waiting on a brez I think

Not that it was intentional

[dreamy epoch]

I remember on KJ HC he couldnt take fel claws without cocordance proccing or a healer external

Pretty fucked up

[modest crest]

But me on Vari with leg lego is cheese mode while he struggles lol

[warm plinth]

I would think a DH could just have DS up and be fine

[dreamy epoch]

Not on progress it wasnt enough unfortunately

[warm plinth]

Ah, that's a bummer

Pallies struggled with it too right?

[modest crest]

I can’t figure out if our pally was the cause of his own struggles or if the class was weak

[warm plinth]

I don't think the class has really changed much. That was just a situation where they didn't have ways to cheese it like the rest of the tanks did.

I mean, you had warriors who could nelth's fury and giggle. Druids who could just stack Ironfur to the ceiling. DKs who just pooled RP and DSed after each hit

With VB active

And monks could just pause stagger and barely even take damage

[unique salmon]

Hey guys, is it worth breaking 4pc T21 to equip 975 shoulders over 945? Also im using a 940 chrono shard for one of my trinks, would my 980 DPS Khaz'goroth be better if its just a str stat-stick?

[warm plinth]

The first question is really up to you. I don't think breaking T21 is that hard of a decision since it's not fantastic or anything. Swap the shoulders and see how you feel defensively. If you notice a big difference, switch back.

I would say the 980 would be way better than the 940. Strength is a lot better for DPS than haste is and 40 ilevels of strength is a ton

[unique salmon]

Im not tanking raids or anything just a lot of M+ 15-16 to farm Titanforge. So theres not much huge hits im taking as opposed to all the little mobs, Im using riftworld codex for the dungeons and it seems pretty powerful for that.

Im an Arms main so the extra practice i get farming M+ doesnt hurt either.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, from what I've been told (I don't have it), Riftworld isn't as good for us as it is for other tanks, though it's still not bad in M+

As far as T21, it is more useful in M+ than in raids because you're actually getting hit every second vs every 2 seconds on most raid bosses

It may actually be a significant difference in that scenario, defensively

[unique salmon]

Ill try it and if im taking more damage to where itll be an issue ill throw the set shoulders back on 😃

[warm plinth]

That's what I would do.

[lofty prawn]

Pulled the walls fell 😄

No more soul ring for dogs ^_^

[prisma crane]

grats man

[hollow tundra]

Anyone done Vari HC solo tank?

Legs and save IP for Misery stacks should be doable?

[prisma crane]

depends on the raid size

and idk why wou'd want to do it

you'd*

but yea, you'd prob need to roll CDs during the debuff

and you'd want SB for after the misery hits

and you'd need to stand really close with a dps right behind to not get alone in the dark

[copper lion]

on portal keeper, for its green portal you take care her to the front of the room?

[hollow tundra]

I'd try it for the luls and HPS @prisma crane 😄

[prisma crane]

ah

well

hps, just go 30 man raid and underheal it

[rocky tiger]

I wouldn't have thought the debuff would ever fall off?

[hollow tundra]

On Vari?

There's a small window between the Misery's where you can get topped up

[small jackal]

anyway to control where add spawn on vari?

[hollow tundra]

I did it on normal, ended up at 1.44M HPS with a 17man raid

[small jackal]

like have them spawn closer to the melee

as opposed to the outside

[hollow tundra]

@copper lion you just tank and spank the boss on green portal yea

Same tactics on all difficults

[copper lion]

why do you move her for the other two though?

woudlnt it make sense to do the same

[hollow tundra]

What?

Explain 😃

[undone sun]

you only move the boss for the purple void zone, nothing to do with the portals

[copper lion]

I'm reading the antorus protection guide

it says to move to the opposte side

[hollow tundra]

Well

When Collapsing Rift spawns

[copper lion]

of the other color

[hollow tundra]

You kite her away from that side

Since

[copper lion]

but I'm just wondering if people coming out of portals

[hollow tundra]

Let me break it down for you

[copper lion]

you dont let her cast it on top of it?

[hollow tundra]

When you have fire portal up

You don't want a collapsing rift in the fire portal

[undone sun]

it doesn't usually matter, they're up there for a couple rotations

[hollow tundra]

Since people from upstairs will perhaps go down into it

[copper lion]

and is it better to just tank her at the edge of the portal?

collapsing

[hollow tundra]

http://images.staticjw.com/wor/2190/position-1.jpg

Look at that pic

Youd

You'd want to start tanking her right where shes clipped into the picture

Then asap as collapsing spawns, leap over to the opposite side

And continue tanking there, then it's red portal. It should spawn before next collapsing.

If you're doing it on mythic, I personally would recommend 3 tanks. Makes the fight alot easier, and a massgrip from a BDK makes imps cakewalk.

As a prot warrior you should probably just go up on every portal, since we have a good burst dps with gloves etc etc.

@copper lion

[copper lion]

I'm starting to tank, haven't really delve into it

I appreaciet the help

appreciate

[hollow tundra]

No problems, that's my two cents about that fight. 😃

It works for me and my team!

[halcyon siren]

hey all...don't know if everyone has seen the new ignore pain change..but i'm just wonderin, how is it going to work :/. is it going to be where each point of rage is a point of damage or does a certain amount of rage block a certain percent of damage....just so confusing lol

[undone sun]

when you activate the new IP and then take damage it drains your rage as a shield for your health and has a cooldown

[halcyon siren]

just sounds really weak if it's like 1:1 for rage : per point of damage

[undone sun]

hard to say considering it's still very early alpha but it's likely to be how it is now, every 10-20 rage is a set amount absorbed

something to that effect

[halcyon siren]

ah okies

tyvm

[warm plinth]

I don't really see the IP change to be a net difference than now, except it'll be a 100% absorb rather than 90% and the rage cost will be over time instead of up front. Could be interesting to see their plan since our mitigation system is changing pretty substantially with shield block costing more and everything

So the playstyle seems like it'll be different but the actual cost/reward of IP won't change too much

[hard wyvern]

Just got mythic Aggramar! So hyped

[warm plinth]

Congrats!

[hard wyvern]

Thanks dude

[hallow phoenix]

Got a 910 writhing heart of darkness

That high enough to use over other trinkets for stuff like portal keeper or imonar?

[undone sun]

depends on your other trinkets

[oblique pike]

@warm plinth actually, we're going from 90% to 60%

http://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=258024/ignore-pain

[warm plinth]

Oh, I missed that part I guess

Thanks for the clarification

[oblique pike]

I'm assuming its just moving away from a spammy ignore pain to a more time controlled one. It'll be interesting mostly to see if they keep it off the GCD

[warm plinth]

And then SB is 35 rage but only lasts 4 seconds or something right?

[oblique pike]

Yea 4 seconds

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm pretty intrigued by the defensive changes for the tanks. They obviously have something in mind. Not too psyched by the fact that it seems like we're going away from self-sustaining tanks though

[oblique pike]

I'm not a huge fan that all tanks are moving towards an armor style defensive ability, because that leaves warriors to get shafted by physical dmg that isn't blockable

Having more and more tanks get armor from active mitigation might make them balance around all tanks having an armor based active mitigation and leave warriors fucked for specific fights

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I'm just really not sure what they're planning for magic damage in the expansion. Every tank's magic mitigation is getting nerfed in some way, even the ones that already didn't have great mitigation in the first place

Unless there's gonna be some passive that converts DR from armor into DR for magic

[oblique pike]

They're probably thinking ignore pain is going to do what it currently does. They've done.... relatively okay in balancing magic damage to tanks.

In terms of balancing the raid content, anyway.

[warm plinth]

It's just weird how they said they wouldn't be fundamentally changing anything in this expansion and then they fundamentally change how tanks handle incoming damage

[oblique pike]

Only thing I currently dislike is spell reflect being 1 charge default while having such a low cd and having warriors be so dependent on it for magic mitigation

[warm plinth]

But it's not like it's the first time they've said that and then not followed it

[oblique pike]

i dont know, they changed warriors pretty fundamentally when they put in devastator XD

[warm plinth]

Yeah, they did. And thank the lord for that

[oblique pike]

I'm a fan of the playstyle, but I'm not a fan of what it did to warrior balance.

[warm plinth]

I would despise this spec if I had to spam Devastate.

[oblique pike]

It balanced damage around having it, and survival around having indomitable.

[warm plinth]

They nerfed Devastate too, not that I think it's going to change what talent we take in that tier.

It's only 2 rage per swing instead of 5 in the expansion iirc

As for Spell Reflect, I'm just not looking forward to it only reflecting one spell again :/

[oblique pike]

I feel like losing T21 means that won't matter. Going back to standard rotation means we get so much of our rage from SS and having it reset more often with devastator is more important

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I don't think it'll matter much. Indomitable is even worse in the expansion than it is now because it doesn't even affect IP anymore; it's just straight health gain

[prisma crane]

man, just barely failed a 24 CoEN and 23 BRH

34 and 26 sec respectively

[warm plinth]

😦

[prisma crane]

oh well

[oblique pike]

wow that sucks

[warm plinth]

You're getting quite 1337 aren't you Krotos

23s and 24s

On a prot warrior

[prisma crane]

no, just running with some leet ppl

[warm plinth]

How dare you

[prisma crane]

so that i can try to pump my numbers

[warm plinth]

What's your score now?

[prisma crane]

in case Derakkor comes back

lmao

[warm plinth]

LOL

[prisma crane]

its ok, he'll be back when he kills Argus

[warm plinth]

First toxic guy I've seen in this channel since I joined it. I think we're doing okay.

[prisma crane]

he came back the day after aggramar was dead

his aggramar*

so i wasnt surprised

there's been a few

[warm plinth]

I'm rocking a 1588 score right now 😉

(but not on my warrior)

(shhh)

[prisma crane]

3149 atm but the BRH hasnt gone through

i still have a 17 NL

failed 18 HOB and DHT

HOV*

[warm plinth]

I got a 15 Nelth key on my DK this week; still need to run it.

[prisma crane]

and 18 failed Seat

[warm plinth]

Warrior got a seat key for the 3rd week in a row

[prisma crane]

only 5 keys are 20+

[warm plinth]

Counting the BRH?

[prisma crane]

so im just hoping to hit 4k

yea

[warm plinth]

Score changes faster at a certain point doesn't it? Like the scaling increases?

[prisma crane]

seems to

got like

345 for the missed 24

[warm plinth]

Jesus

[prisma crane]

same score as my 10 sec on time 23 CoS

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I think a 16 in time is like...140something

[prisma crane]

should be over 160

[warm plinth]

I could be wrong. Lemme check

[prisma crane]

i think its like min 10x key

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah, my DHT which was...1 min 26 under timer was 177

[prisma crane]

nice

[warm plinth]

@ +16

[prisma crane]

i just need to get 345 on all keys

lmao

would be just shy of 4500

[warm plinth]

lol, but yeah that's pretty significant; double score for a key 7 levels higher

Er, 8

[prisma crane]

my first goal is to get 20+ in all

[warm plinth]

Seems achievable. Seat will be a bitch I'm sure

[prisma crane]

na

but it will be the hardest

[warm plinth]

What would even be the best week for that dungeon? I'm guessing fort would be better even though the trash sucks

[prisma crane]

yea fort for sure

last two bosses suck

[warm plinth]

I still think we're gonna get to sang/volc and it's gonna be sang/necro instead

You heard it here first

[prisma crane]

next wk?

supposed to be sang, griev, fort

[warm plinth]

Nah, when sang/volc comes back around

I think it's gonna be sang/necro instead

Since they changed this week to teem/volc instead of teem/necro

[umbral cape]

I have a 925 Orb of Torment (http://www.wowhead.com/item=137538/orb-of-torment&bonus=1577:1808:3412) and just got a 915 Diima's (http://www.wowhead.com/item=151977/diimas-glacial-aegis&bonus=3613:1457). Any advice on which is better? The self heal is really nice but guides all say Diima is really good.

[timid jay]

Torment is kinda garbage

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Torment isn't great. Diima's all the way

[prisma crane]

im really liking my diimas

[umbral cape]

Even with the extra haste?

[undone sun]

yes

[umbral cape]

thanks

[prisma crane]

STR > haste btw

but wait

[warm plinth]

I just got a 915 Eye. Only ATB trinket I've seen on my warrior so far

[prisma crane]

nvm

[warm plinth]

Getting really lazy about my 110s. Haven't even attempted to get into a PUG

Just doing emissaries and shit. I won't even have an M+ done on all of them this week, and my war only got a +10

I'm slackin

[timid jay]

I leveled another 2 characters to max level, pestering guildies about +15 boosts for both

And its working 😄

[prisma crane]

excellent!

[timid jay]

I must say though, tanking normal antous as a prot paladin with sub 900 ilvl gear

Is scary

[prisma crane]

extra spoopy

[timid jay]

Didnt even try to tank the +15 tyrannical at 880 equippd

[prisma crane]

rofl

[warm plinth]

I took my gf through a +7 on her 886 warrior. That wasn't bad actually

Tyrannical keys are far scarier to me to heal when your tank is undergeared than fortified

[timid jay]

For sure

Can just do smaller trash pulls in fortified

[warm plinth]

Yeah. And if I need to I can be like just use a cooldown here

[timid jay]

Hard to do smaller boss pulls

[warm plinth]

Where on Tyrannical it's like well, I hope you don't die

I took my 900 prot pally buddy through Tyrannical CoEN a couple weeks ago and he was getting hit for over half his health by the succulent lasher

[timid jay]

In complete unrelated news

[warm plinth]

Nice!

I'm still rocking rattlegore and lana ring :/

[prisma crane]

well

i just got

[timid jay]

Is the belt used for something nowadays?

[warm plinth]

Not really

[timid jay]

Guess I'm set then

[warm plinth]

35 seconds is already short enough of a CD

[timid jay]

Got chest, bracers, soul ring, and shoulders

[warm plinth]

Nice!

AHR?

[timid jay]

No ahr

Feels a bit more situational though, less so for blood I suppose with the huge health pools

[warm plinth]

AHR can be better than bracers on ST. Thankfully you can sim on a BDK though :p

Yeah you pop VB+AHR and get pretty ridiculous damage

You do the blood mage tower yet?

[timid jay]

ages ago 😛

Used to be my main

[warm plinth]

You did blood ages ago but it took you how long for VDH? 😏

[undone sun]

lol

[timid jay]

no hate

[warm plinth]

lol

[timid jay]

First time I tried on my vdh I was 890 and had basically no keybinds

also before the nerfs

[warm plinth]

I mean, it took me like 14 tries on my DK at 919 because the concept of actually having to pick up the adds was foreign to me

Since they just come to you automatically on war and druid

[timid jay]

And my internet was probably shitty at that time

And a cat was distracting me

[warm plinth]

And you were half blind with one arm broken?

[prisma crane]

actually he had to keep answering the door

[warm plinth]

lol

[timid jay]

yeah, but only for that day

Its better now

[undone sun]

lol

[warm plinth]

I'm glad you're feeling better

[prisma crane]

phew

[warm plinth]

Cosmo has had a rough year

[prisma crane]

rough day*

[warm plinth]

Oh right, it was just that day

Gotta do BrM now @timid jay

[timid jay]

My highest level monk is 20

[warm plinth]

D:

[timid jay]

I made a highmountain tauren to reserve the name

[warm plinth]

So you didn't even level it to 20 lol

What's the name?

[timid jay]

Ölkast

[warm plinth]

What does that mean?

[timid jay]

Beer throw

[warm plinth]

Oh, nice lol

[prisma crane]

nice

i wanna race change my monk to void elf

teleports galore

[warm plinth]

I don't have a brew leveled, but I did the brew challenge on my other two monks

My brew is only 32

And I might remake it to be an HMT

[prisma crane]

mine is only 100 still

[warm plinth]

Took me 3 attempts combined to do both of them. The brew challenge is actually stupid easy

The entire P1 is pretty much tanked by the ox effigy thing

Prot paladin is the only tank I still need

Which will be tough since my 110 is only like 892 ilevel with like an 865 weapon

[timid jay]

Good reaction from my guildie about haemostasis

[prisma crane]

lololol

[timid jay]

Now I just need good leggos on my prot paladin, got some decent ones on my vDh

[polar arrow]

so icyviens doesnt really say, but what are our go to BiS legendarys

im currently running bracers and walls fell

[clear sapphire]

situational

[undone sun]

generally bracers/belt/gloves

[polar arrow]

thanks 😃

[timid jay]

No one here endorses the icy veins guide

Check out the pinned guide instead

[polar arrow]

okay ill take a look thanks!

im swapping from dps to tanking for my guild and i decided to go prot cuz i love my warrior so much

[gusty sky]

hi guys new prot warrior here.

@final mist Im having a hard time dealing with dark slash from the 1st boss in Maw, ilvl 938 27% haste, no set bonous and its only a +12. if I dont have Spell refect up I pretty much drop to like 10-15%. I try to stack IP on every other Dark slash or use a Last stand/Wall

Just wondering If I'm missing anything... Ive read up on ppl getting the party to use externals or get a pet to tuant but just wondering if theres anything else I can do on my own.

[undone sun]

pretty much just rotating CDs

[timid jay]

Getting the legs is really helpfull there as well

For the extra SR charge

Other than that, no just using SR and other big CD's and hope for the best

having a pet class taunt off makes it reall easy though

[gusty sky]

mmmm k

thanks.

[warm plinth]

At a +12, Demo Shout will be up for the first one; that + IP will be fine. On 2nd one, SR. On third one, Last Stand, on 4th one SR, 5th Demo, etc.

[glad plume]

@undone sun and Walls fell is good? With t21 2p. Gloves are better with 2p 21 or the ring? Which give us more rage?

[warm plinth]

You'll spike on the Demo ones a bit but he doesn't really hit hard other than Dark Slash so you should still be fine.

[gusty sky]

@warm plinth ahhh demo shout, nice totaly forgot about that... cheers.

[warm plinth]

With Demo you should still be at like 40% health on a +12, if not higher depending on IP

[undone sun]

twf does gain value with t21 2pc but doesn't overpower gloves unless you're using the tier combo in which you cannot use gloves

[warm plinth]

On like +20s, you almost need to have either the pants or a taunt from someone (pet taunt from lock or hunter works)

Because Demo alone won't keep you alive and you probably won't have the other CDs up enough to cover them all

[lofty isle]

Having 2 charges of SR is a win in Neltharion's Lair also for the 2nd and 3rd bosses, and the Vileshard Hulk

[gusty sky]

yeah thats another problem I have nelths the shard mobs...

[warm plinth]

He knocks you back before the piercing shards. You can just intercept stun with Warbringer every time he does it

[glad plume]

@undone sun Ok, the alot

[undone sun]

you can stun the hulk adds during the cast and they wont cast it till the next knockback

in which you would just do what Worldcrusher said

[lofty isle]

Yes, you can stun him, but in pugs having SR can save you here, I don't generally run with warbringer

[warm plinth]

You really should run with Warbringer. It's by far the best talent in that row for M+

[undone sun]

^

[warm plinth]

1.5 sec stun that doesn't share DR with any other stuns, including itself.

[timid jay]

2.5

even

[lofty isle]

Will give it a go

[timid jay]

The hulks are really easy with warbringer, just get knocked back and then intercept them

You get the stun on them without really having to do anything

[warm plinth]

2.5. You knew what I meant 🙃

[fallow knot]

I learned to love warbringer after only a couple of m+ runs

[undone sun]

intercepting melee, off DR stun, 2 charges 👌

[timid jay]

Even using it on pets

[polar arrow]

so in the pinned guide,

for the netherlight crucible it says you lean towards ones that give you our best traits

but what if none of those are available

[timid jay]

Choose the best you can

If you care about survivability, get bastion relics

[polar arrow]

ok one more thing, would it be worth dropping t21 2 set

for these 940 pants with haste mastery avoidance

[undone sun]

what's the ilevel difference

but it's unlikely

[polar arrow]

915 for tier 940 for pants

WAIT

we run Devastator talent

[undone sun]

yes

[polar arrow]

i suddenly dont wanna play prot anymore

i cant understand why blizz would make a talent to just remove filler abilities

[hollow thorn]

oh dear

Devastator is a much more fun playstyle imo

Indomitable is ResidentSleeper

[timid jay]

If something it makes it a lot more fun, just spamming 2 buttons isnt very enjoyable

[polar arrow]

but you literally arnt using shit for gcd's

[timid jay]

Before devastator everything you did was spam devastate untill you got a SS reset

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar arrow]

you just sitting there autoing

[timid jay]

Then you need more haste my friend

[polar arrow]

well i havnt used it yet

[hollow thorn]

when u get geared as prot, u always press something

[undone sun]

rev, TC and SS are pretty much used on CD

[timid jay]

I have somewhere in the ballpark of 70-80 APM during raids, and I dont even play tier combo anymore and thats even faster

[polar arrow]

well i guess i should try it before i bash it to much

what is a good haste % to be at

[undone sun]

there's no minimum

[polar arrow]

im only 21% at the moment

[undone sun]

it's mostly preference, 25% and 55% are the technical SS breakpoints for T21 2pc

[polar arrow]

so just

[undone sun]

with AM there are no SB breakpoints, at least not reachable

[polar arrow]

get fuck loads of haste

[undone sun]

it is the best secondary

[polar arrow]

aggrammars stride with haste on every piece

Nut

[warm plinth]

Trust me Zavek, you'll use more globals than you think

I'm only at 25% haste on my warrior and I never don't have a button to press

Except maybe once in a while when I got really unlucky with SS procs

[undone sun]

i have 81 cpm on aggramar using 2/2

at 9483 haste

which is 25%

[warm plinth]

WTB 2pc

If I didn't want tier on like 4 characters I'd probably actually try to get pugs

But that's a lot of pugs to deal with 😭

[fallow knot]

want to talk about boring on raid bosses, a bDK with low haste is basically the most boring thing I've ever done

I think warrior is super fun with devastate talented. more rage, more button smashing, more awesome 😃

[warm plinth]

Yeah, low haste on a DK blows because you spend half your time waiting for runes.

Finally at a comfy spot on mine; I'm up to 52% with Bone Shield up

[timid jay]

I've had a hard time playing bDK in raids since they removed BoS for them

BrF BoS bDK dreams

[granite dock]

just starting out as prot i have 4p t20 but low ilvl and 960+T21+offpieces was wondering if i should bother using t20 2 piece or just stack high ilvl haste pieces?

[timid jay]

I'm not a fan of just keeping t20 2p at all

[warm plinth]

I didn't create my DK til after that had happened already so

Question about the 2pc T20 thing. Would the rage generated not still be worth losing ilevel for from a defensive standpoint? That's still extra IPs right?

[granite dock]

it feels really nice but i miss out on close to 10 character ilvl

[timid jay]

Yes, but its not a huge amount

[warm plinth]

I definitely wouldn't lose 10 overall ilevel for 2pc T20

[timid jay]

Simply just the t20 2p

[granite dock]

guess ill just go 2p t21 and ilvl

[warm plinth]

You can do 2+2

And it's viable. But 10 ilevels is a huuuuge loss for two tier pieces

So you're saying that with offset pieces or whatever, you're at (for example) 940, but with 2pc T20 equipped you're at 930?

[granite dock]

also, my trinkets are a big garbage i have a 970 gorshalachs, but no other decent tank trinkets, would you use a high ilvl khaz as 2nd trinket or 920 urn?

932

but close enough to 10

[warm plinth]

What's high ilevel?

[granite dock]

985

[warm plinth]

I'd use Khaz over the urn. That's a lot of strength

[granite dock]

yeah thanks for the help

i have a 960 forefiends

but i dont think its as strong as the STR

[timid jay]

Probably best to use the khaz and urn

Unless your haste is abysmal

[granite dock]

i have 32% with the gorshlachs

probably abit overkill

[warm plinth]

Oh, gorsh is the dps one

I should probably learn the names

[granite dock]

yeah

its the shit one from agrramar

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'd use urn over that one then

[granite dock]

but 1.5k haste is ok

thanks

[warm plinth]

32% haste is not overkill though. There's no limit on haste.

Nor a minimum

[polar arrow]

ok

devastator talent isnt too ba

bad

[flat kelp]

Omw first world rank

[warm plinth]

👌

[little rain]

Is bull rush the HM-Tauren racial on the stun DR or off like earthquake? Is there anyway to cancel the charge midway through manually?

[warm plinth]

Should be off, and I doubt you can cancel it, but it's only a 1 second charge

[undone sun]

pretty sure you cannot

[warm plinth]

That being said, I just found this https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2372546-Bull-Rush-and-diminishing-returns

Which says it's affected by DR

[little rain]

The racials feel stronger than regular tauren, offensive and defensively, trying to find something to make me pull the trigger

[timid jay]

Sick horns

[warm plinth]

Defensively the vers alone is stronger

[undone sun]

afaik it's not an aura/buff and you cannot cancel it

but...

[timid jay]

Usable while feared

[warm plinth]

"Can be used while dead" what?

XD

[timid jay]

I think a few of those flags are faulty

[undone sun]

probably

[warm plinth]

Maybe a few XD

Don't worry about being confused about the feared flag Cosmo, because you can use it while confused XD

[undone sun]

can be used while mounted is true though

[timid jay]

lul

[warm plinth]

That's pretty cool

[timid jay]

Would be pretty stupid if you could use it while feared

[warm plinth]

But if it really does trigger stun DR, the usefulness of it just went wayyyyy down

[undone sun]

not surprising tbh

no other racial is off the dr like that

[timid jay]

nightborne

[unborn island]

Tried seat 21 last night, was actually going really well (mass pulling and all) until Saprish, the fight just lasts too damn long on Tyrannical >.<

[timid jay]

rip

[undone sun]

if it did it'd pretty much be warbringer on a longe r CD

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but no other racial is a knockdown either

[little rain]

You could argue B-Elf is I suppose

[undone sun]

true

[warm plinth]

Anyone know if the void elf teleport puts you in combat with mobs that it passes?

[unborn island]

Then discovered that there's only ever been 85 21+ Tyrannical seat keys completed, and only one of those was with a warr tank 😃

[warm plinth]

Damn, nice. Did you guys eventually finish? Or did you hit a wall on Saprish?

[fallow knot]

@warm plinth I've only had limited time with my void elf and messing with that teleport but it doesn't last long (in terms of how far it travels) I'd imagine you'd have to be pretty close at either the start or the end and most certainly within agro radius on either of those cases, if thats what you mean

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's what, 30 yard range? So you'd have to really be good at guessing, since I think the aggro range of same level mobs is like 10-12 yards

[fallow knot]

yeah, it'd be real finicky at best. as far as if it passing directly through a mob makes it aggro I'm not sure of, haven't really tried that

[warm plinth]

But I was really just curious if the rift passing through the mobs would aggro them

Yeah, I would test it myself but I don't have the reputation yet

[fallow knot]

slacker

[warm plinth]

Altoholic*

[fallow knot]

I can't say much, I don't have a 110 horde to roll the allied races for them 😦 have a ton of characters exalted with all the required races though haha

[warm plinth]

I unlocked HMT already, and can unlock Nightborne (but why)

[timid jay]

Should have boosted a alliance character for allied races

[warm plinth]

But I don't have Argussian or Army rep yet for the alliance ones. Kinda ironic since I mainly play alliance.

[fallow knot]

I think that void elf teleport thing could be fun for tanking. use it to pop up right inside a pack, blow some shit up and aggro quickly. not sure the viability over charge/intercept (since these generate rage) but it'd be a ton of fun and look awesome 😃

[timid jay]

And worldCrusher

Nightborne is best race ok

[undone sun]

hmmm

[fallow knot]

you spelled gnome wrong cosmo

[warm plinth]

I already hate Night Elves on my side. Why would I play them on the other side?

I rolled a worgen druid which is arguably the dumbest race in existence, just so I didn't have to be a night elf

Because male night elves look ridiculous

[undone sun]

but those sick flips

[fallow knot]

ha! I rolled a worgen druid for the same reason.... then I got to ~33 and realized druids stink

[warm plinth]

I do like the flips. Now if they could make the males have actually humanoid proportions, I'd be down

[timid jay]

Night elf males look super stupuid

[warm plinth]

Anyway, time to go home.

👋

[fallow knot]

bon voyage sir

[timid jay]

👋

[little rain]

Kinda sucks heritage armor is only wearable by its class, I want those void elf shoulders

[timid jay]

Race you mean?

[unborn island]

@warm plinth We didn't continue, we could have done it IMO (trash was causing no probs, and DPS was good, so wouldn't have been worried about the other bosses) but we would've missed the timer, even doing massive pulls (first area in 2 pulls etc) the timer is really tight. Bosses just take forever

[little rain]

Yea, race

[hollow thorn]

wouldnt make much sense if any race could use it tbf

[little rain]

It's WoW and xmog, it doesn't need to make sense 😦

[timid jay]

I'd love to see them have less restricted transmogs, but heritage armor would just be strange for another race

[hollow thorn]

i love transmog, but its kinda the same as a plate wearing mail or a leather wearing cloth, it just isnt right

[timid jay]

I'd love that though

[karmic storm]

anywhere to got for prot wariror M+ talents/gear?

[timid jay]

Its the same as for raids except you go safeguard instead of InsPres

[karmic storm]

alright cheers!

[unborn island]

also use warbringer (i don't use it in my standard raid setup, prefer shockwave to stun adds without needing to move bosses etc)

[undone sun]

still valuable in raids imo, can easily still intercept a melee or whoever's near, and off GCD is always nice

[timid jay]

I find it really handy on portal keeper

Can get some clutch stuns in on the imps

[undone sun]

yeh

[unborn island]

I'd just be ancious about showing the boss my back for an ill timed melee swing using it on raids, but I can see why some might like to

[fallow knot]

a little poop in the underoos never hurt anybody, physically anyway, perhaps emotionally.

[sick sentinel]

what do you want to add for prot warrior in bfa

[fallow knot]

I like the way prot plays right now so I dont really have any thoughts regarding bfa. Maybe add Sunder Armor back for the memories

😃

[warm plinth]

Hmm, NA servers are still up 🤔

[undone sun]

yeh

oh it's 5

[warm plinth]

I was waiting for maintenance to be over so I can try to squeeze a key in

[undone sun]

and scheduled for 5 downtime

[warm plinth]

Yeah, should be going down right now

5 pacific

[tiny sphinx]

gib back focused rage for prot

[vast sedge]

🙅

[warm plinth]

I never did the focused rage thing. What did it do?

[timid jay]

Increased the damage of next shield slam by 50%

stacked 3 times

[cinder pasture]

I need to stop reading twitch chat when watching streams....
"if you have the leggings that give you 3 charges of shield block, haste isn't a priority anymore"

[timid jay]

Sounds like standard twitch chat

Saw one guy recommending ITF and ravager on thymes stream

[cinder pasture]

Someone also said that 40% haste is "too much" I almost feel bad for them 😦

[fallow knot]

Yikes

[mint ether]

is will of the fallen worth taking if i'm talented into Devastator?

i feel dumb asking but think i should anyway lol

[timid jay]

I dont even know what will of the fallen is

[mint ether]

im dumb

meant rage of the fallen

sry

[timid jay]

Its the best damage trait yeah

Doesnt have much impact on ST once you get t21 2p but its still the best

[mint ether]

right but would it work with devastator talented?

[timid jay]

Well yes, why wouldnt it?

And you should be using devastator regardless

[mint ether]

kk. thanks

[compact geyser]

You mean Ravager isn't Op?

Cause you know it lets you p a r r y

[prisma crane]

make sure to use lego helm too if you use ravager

[junior ivy]

anyone get anything good in their chestr?

[prisma crane]

authentication servers are down for the next few min...

now the debate on whether or not i wait

[junior ivy]

oh..

yeah i just tried to log on

😦

[shadow cypress]

i was logged in, went afk, got booted >><

[prisma crane]

worked for me just now

hmm...

[mint ether]

Do it

[junior ivy]

its lettin me in

LETS HOPE FOR SHOULDERS

[prisma crane]

i got gloves

again

[junior ivy]

ugh

i use leggo gloves thatd suck

[mint ether]

oo im glad i looked in here before resetting my computer

[prisma crane]

yea and if not lego gloves, tier gloves....

[junior ivy]

here goes.

gloves..

and lower item level than the non-leggo gloves i use in fury

😦

[prisma crane]

yay...........

[junior ivy]

with awful stats..

and i got CoS 15

will cos 15 be bad this week?

[prisma crane]

not too bad

[primal crypt]

Better watch that sanguine

[prisma crane]

as always though, cake if you have the engineering orb up

[primal crypt]

Too bad I have no engineer friends

Honestly thinking about dropping herb for engineering

[junior ivy]

glad im an engineer myself 😄

you shoul,d

i could not lvie without engineering

it is best profession

i dunno how anyone could say eng sucks

ts literally the best

[primal crypt]

I can't live without alchemy

And alchemy can live without herbs

Cant*

[junior ivy]

wanna know why its the best? lootarang. why else? i can res people as a warrior. why else? i can make my belt have a button to go fast. why else? portals to places

etc etc etc

[primal crypt]

You can't looterang in legion

[junior ivy]

...

yes you can

i lootarang all the time

lol

you definitely can in legion

[primal crypt]

Are you shitting me

[junior ivy]

ihavent clicked an enemy to loot it yet this xpac

all i use is lootarang

[primal crypt]

The item wouldnt work for me

Said I was in the wrong zone

[junior ivy]

this one?

[primal crypt]

YUP

FML

[primal crypt]

Ugh......

[junior ivy]

you were prob using this one

non engineers can use this one, but oinly in draenor

the other one is engineers only, and can bve used anywheree

[primal crypt]

Mfers....

My life has been a lie

[junior ivy]

lol yup

oo time to see wha tthe weekly ques tis

better not be stupid pets

[ripe cypress]

Think it's wq One right?

[honest mantle]

it is

[ripe cypress]

Sweet, time to get army exalted

[open fossil]

how dyo decide what kind of gem to socket?

[timid jay]

Look at what stats we want

See haste

Always gem haste

[open fossil]

haste is 21%. Whats the ideal number?

[timid jay]

Its worth it with a 200 str one as well

Ideal number would be ~117%

[open fossil]

seriously??? Haste at 117%?

[timid jay]

But thats not feasable to reach, simply go for as much haste as you can get without sacrificing ilvl for it

[open fossil]

ok ty

[shadow cypress]

is stacking the 4pc from ToS with 2pc from Antorus still the way to go?

[clear sapphire]

Depends on how survivable you are

I dropped it in Mythic weeks ago

[junior ivy]

think theyll ever let us fly in argus?

[timid jay]

Highly doubt it

the terrain isnt built for flying

[junior ivy]

😦 k

[shadow cypress]

im still in heroic, lol

feeling kinda squishy

[timid jay]

t21 4p is certainly easier to play

[shadow cypress]

yeah, i just know i get wrecked a lot on some fights

[junior ivy]

what ilvl are you

[shadow cypress]

958

[prisma crane]

@junior ivy they said on a Q&A that there will never be flying in Argus. Numerous lore reasons, and, more importantly, several technical ones; it's those technical ones that make it a 'never'.

at 958, likely the main reason you're getting wrecked is not having your AM up at the proper times

which fights are the worst for you?

[shadow cypress]

portal keeper and dogs

[timid jay]

Dogs is somewhat dependant on you having SB up for the maws

Whereas PK is just having good rage management so you can keep pouring out those IP's

[primal crypt]

Yeah they said the map itself wasnt designed for flying on argus

Rip

[shadow cypress]

yeah, i try to keep as much rage as possible for PK

[prisma crane]

well, honestly, just remember you can use SR to mitigate the dmg from the aoe explosion

she still melees hard

and dont be afraid to SW or LS while you're waiting on the other tank to taunt

as for hounds, it's literally only about having SB up for the maws. and using a SW / LS / SR if that's down and your stacks are higher

the maw itself never hits harder, but your IP gets eaten faster at higher stacks because of the dot

[shadow cypress]

wonder if it would be worth using bloodmirror on hounds

[timid jay]

No

Since its blockable theres no reason why you couldnt use SB for it

Bracers especially on that fight do provide a lot of healing

[shadow cypress]

yeah, i have those

currently also have the gloves

[timid jay]

and since its mostly dot damage any rage generation leggo works superb for that fight

[shadow cypress]

im hoping to get the walls fell

but still havnt pulled it eyt

*yet

[timid jay]

Gloves are stronger

only reason TWF was used is for the tier combo

[shadow cypress]

hmm

[vast sedge]

Twf is still pretty good with just t21 2

[shadow cypress]

guess ill need to just play around with it...i did use the tier combo (even though the pants are 905 >.>) this weekend, just didnt have the ring

first time i survived PK

[timid jay]

Tier combo is really strong on fights where theres a lot of dot damage

[hollow oxide]

Rip prot. New changes are nuts

[timid jay]

because of the increased healing from bracers (and IP if you have dots that are unmitigated by armor i.e. all in antorus)

[vast sedge]

Tanking gets reworked every xpac and always looks like it’s unfun or gutted and turns out to be fine, don’t panic @hollow oxide

[hollow oxide]

Hope u are right

[vast sedge]

Blizzard may let unbalanced things run around for too long but usually nothing is unplayable or unusable tanking wise since I’ve been tanking in cata

Just gotta trust and hope they get the play style or feel correct since that’s what’s most important

Numbers will and always can be adjusted

[calm cove]

@vast sedge so far it has turned out more shit each expansion

🤔

[vast sedge]

Lol yup

[prisma crane]

i actually used the 4p2p TWF/Bracers combo last night for the first time in ages

[vast sedge]

MoP will always be the peak of fun for me

[prisma crane]

first boss in CoEN fucking hurts

[vast sedge]

And each xpac after it’s gotten lamer

[shadow cypress]

BC was still my fav, lol

[prisma crane]

MoP tanking, going to be impossible to touch that

[calm cove]

might aswell turn it in a full blow support role at this point

[prisma crane]

i've said this here before, but it should say something when you have someone like Fragnance, world class dpser, saying that his favorite class/spec of all time is probably prot warr in MoP

[shadow cypress]

mostly skipped mop

[prisma crane]

particularly during SoO*

[shadow cypress]

i was dps at that point

[prisma crane]

we were more dps at that point 😉

[shadow cypress]

heh

[prisma crane]

was fun back then to actually stand in stuff on purpose to boost dmg

[junior igloo]

That wasn't fun and it was a terrible design

[rain island]

To preface, I'm not a Mythic raider, but clear Heroic regularly: am I the only one using Heavy Rep instead of AM? Because it feels like it when I look at logs.

[prisma crane]

i guess it's subjective, i found it a lot of fun

[junior igloo]

@rain island
Yes, AM is a stronger talent

[vast sedge]

Yea it was bad gamplay design imo

[prisma crane]

@rain island never HR

[timid jay]

t21 2p killed HR, hr works and is easier to play but its vastly inferior

[prisma crane]

it was, but doesnt remove teh fun of it, i get why it was removed, even if for no other reason than tanks destroying dps at their own game

[vast sedge]

The output was fun to you krotos but the means to get it were scummy

[timid jay]

Vengeance in m+ with a vengeance DH

tank doing the majority of the damage

[rain island]

@prisma crane I just feel like I always have a window of no SB, even with 32% Haste.

[prisma crane]

true, but i guess learning how far you could go to toe the line of death without dying made farm much more interesting

[timid jay]

Well yes, you will have gaps in your SB

but that isnt a issue

[prisma crane]

@rain island you will, you just have to learn to hold SB when you dont need it

it def takes practice

i still fuck it up

[timid jay]

As long as you use SB to cover important mechanics its fine

[rain island]

There's where I was going wrong. I was under the impression that if you had gaps, you were a bad.

This is why I love you guys.

BRING IT IN.

[prisma crane]

😃

usually when you're OT you just use SB when you're about to cap at 2 stacks

and for others, just have to learn how the bosses do their dmg, some are still dangerous at all times, others are really only dangerous during their abilities (dogs)

[rain island]

@timid jay As for what you said about t21 2p, does AM take BC SSs as rage spent? I'm assuming no, but obviously we've established I'm often wrong.

Er.

[timid jay]

Its rage spent, SS generates rage

[rain island]

Yeah, I'm dumb.

[timid jay]

as long as you dont cap your rage it'll go towards lowering CD's

[rain island]

No SS CD means more rage, means bigger IPs, means bigger CD reduction. I'm following now.

[timid jay]

👍

[prisma crane]

win win win

and if during DS, even more rage

and more dmg

[rain island]

...So Booming Voice rather than Vengeance, then?

[unborn island]

You won't have time to weave during BC, which will be 20-25% uptime

so yes

😃

[timid jay]

Yup, t21 2p again destroying a talent

[rain island]

Dear Journal, today my world done got fucked up.

[prisma crane]

but, journal footnote: "in a good way"

[rain island]

https://youtu.be/VtVbAsIxUf8?t=3m8s

(Click the YT link or timestamp won't work, I don't think.)