protection

[warm plinth]

@rocky tiger You don't actually have to have T20. If you don't have T20 already, it's probably best to just go for higher ilevel and T21

[ripe cypress]

For trink, I use umbral and mast statstick

[rocky tiger]

Fair enough, thanks for that. Will treat it as low priority for now then

[humble olive]

wow mastery is that good for dps

[warm plinth]

Err...haste is a faaaar better DPS stat than crit. Why would you get crit on purpose?

[ripe cypress]

Yeah, it's good offensive and defensive in m+

[humble olive]

for trinkets i was thinking about using arkano + 985 dps-pantheon

[ripe cypress]

I have 30+% haste so I guess crit got simmed higher

Arcano is always good

[warm plinth]

There are no working sims for prot warriors

So you should ignore them

[slender adder]

Strictly for DPS purposes they are

[warm plinth]

No, they're not

[ripe cypress]

I see them as godspeech mate

[humble olive]

using 2t21, belt and gloves i end up at 37% haste, 65% mastery

[warm plinth]

Prot warriors do not have working sims, even for DPS.

[ripe cypress]

Sweet mate 👍

[warm plinth]

There is no tier implementation and no factoring for rage from damage taken

[ripe cypress]

Doesn't matter mate as Long as I do dmg

[warm plinth]

I'm saying you'll do more if you stop getting crit. It's literally our worst stat both offensively and defensively

At the very least, don't tell other people to get it.

[ripe cypress]

D2 you should prioritize ilvl btw, cus of the str gain

It's worked fine for me so far 🤔

[warm plinth]

Fine and correct aren't the same thing though

[ripe cypress]

Aight

[warm plinth]

Ilevel wins over everything, so doing it the correct way if that's how you're picking gear

so you're*

But getting crit on purpose when you have the choice is wrong

[ripe cypress]

Okey, just trying to help will refer to you next time mang 😄

[warm plinth]

It's cool to try to help. That's what this Discord is for. Just make sure you're spreading correct information. You're helping no one by spreading wrong information.

[ripe cypress]

I agree

May I ask though, how do you know haste is better for deeps?

[warm plinth]

Not trying to be a dick. I just don't want you to have wrong information either.

[ripe cypress]

Dw man, No offence taken :)

[warm plinth]

Because smarter warriors than I have determined it to be so. That being said, the simplest explanation is that Battle Cry giving us 100% crit chance, and having it up so often, greatly devalues crit.

[ripe cypress]

Fairs

[humble olive]

i would have an option of not using gloves

movign to 44% haste, 49% mastery

and instead have 975 http://www.wowhead.com/item=151332/voidclaw-gauntlets&bonus=1826:1497

[warm plinth]

gloves meaning the legendary?

[humble olive]

yepp

[warm plinth]

Gloves are way better than any stats you'd gain by not having them most likely

[humble olive]

ok

then i'll give it a try and see how it's going

[ripe cypress]

Good luck mate

[humble olive]

it's just for fun ^^

for the stuff i'm tanking it's not really necessary to go full def using 4t20/2t21

[rocky tiger]

If my healers had a bit more breathing room it would help us out :/ we have a lot of potatoes...

I should be able to not worry about it but I do sometimes die to lack of heals.

[slender adder]

Quick question regarding dps as a warprot. We just cleared Kin'garoth mythic with my guild and since survival wasn't really an issue I tried to gear more offensively but had a hard time finding a trinket build that had real dps impact and/or burst •2min.
I've been really disappointed with trinkets such as Gorshalach's Legacy when in prot spec and am searching for that special one

[unborn island]

High Horn of valor is amazing for that fight(pop it on adds). Raid dps trinkets are nerfed for prot,so you're better off with a decent strength stick

[slender adder]

Thank you for your answer. It sadly confirm my feelings that prot can't play with proc, and are stuck with sticks.

[unborn island]

If you can get a high Chrono shard that is good...

[turbid horizon]

All the dls trinkets from ABT have a decreased proc rate for p

Prot

[short mesa]

im gonna join this with question - 940 memento or 930 chrono shard?

[jaunty canopy]

memento probably , but both are solid

Memento just procs off weird things like player deaths in your party, sometimes mobs dying around you, its real weird

so like on progression youll have a lot of uptime on it, if your gear for dps during it.

or thats how it used to work

@short mesa

[short mesa]

cool thanks, currently doing portal keeper with 3 tanks and Im the one on portals so gonna equip that one 😃

[dark junco]

Its also RPPM, so the more haste, the more procs.

[knotty oak]

The guide under resources says 7.2.5...still relative?

[untold vigil]

check the pins in this channel

it's been updated to 7.3 but for some reason the link in the resources channel has not been updated

[knotty oak]

Thanks!

I main a bear tank but boosted a high mt tauren warrior with my BfA token. Any general warrior tips other then gen rage, sheild block, ignore pain?

[vast sedge]

Right in the pins homie

[knotty oak]

Yeah, skimmed though the guide. seems pretty stright forward

[vast sedge]

Yea this class is pretty easy to play so shouldn’t have a tough time picking it up

Have fun 😃

[knotty oak]

ty

[primal crypt]

Unless m+ is main goals

Rough at times :/

Need more spell reflect!

[fleet ocean]

Only thing I could say that might get you into trouble is Revenge spamming when it does not proc and waste rage on it? You just wana make sure you have enough rage to always pop Shield Block as soon as its available, or atleast I do

[ebon geyser]

will i lose anything if i go from ally to horde on my warrior?

[prisma crane]

lose how?

you'll lose all quest items in your bags

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and all of your friends 😮

[ebon geyser]

was wondering like artifact skins etc

[timid jay]

No you wont

[ebon geyser]

ok cool , ty

[junior ivy]

coven heroic tomorrow !! if we are struggling do you think we should have a dps tank that one boss? or would it complicate things even more?

[arctic sedge]

I'd say keep it to 2 tanks.

[junior ivy]

k i tend to panic wehnw e get the scary 'wall' adds and i gotta wander around to safety while making sure boss doesnt face people and do boss mechanics

[prisma crane]

@arctic sedge it would still be 2 tanks

Asara doesn't actually attack

[arctic sedge]

Oh yeah.

I thought he meant that replace one tank with a dps.

[junior ivy]

oh noo we'd still have 2

[prisma crane]

generally speaking though, the main reason you do that Cat is so that you dont have to swap the bosses so much so your dps goes up

raid dps*

[junior ivy]

what do i do in the situation im entioned?

i panic and all goes to hell lol

its too mcuh at once

[royal cobalt]

Off-topic question

Do you need a 110 alliance toon to unlock void elves?

For the questline

[strong hill]

@junior ivy the wall adds? If they have been cc’d just plant yourself and keep tanking.

[royal cobalt]

Nvm

[junior ivy]

but i gotta run behind them dont i?

and then wallk to safety all around the room

[strong hill]

Our dps usually have them completely cc’d. If one near me gets loose then ya , move past it and stay safe. If they are cc’d you shouldn’t have to move except for the storm. And even then unless the circles are way out there you shouldn’t have to move much

@junior ivy

[junior ivy]

maybe im confused or maybe we arent talking about the same adds lol

we CC like, 2 of them, and run throuhg the opening

and then keep moving to safety til theyre gone

[strong hill]

Your talking about the adds that march to the middle.

We cc ALL of them. 😊

[junior ivy]

yes them

ohhh

[strong hill]

3 Druids with mass entanglement. 2 hunters , 3 mAges

[junior ivy]

we dont do t hat

we are lucky if we cc like 2

usuallyt we just wipe

[strong hill]

Cc more 😃

[junior ivy]

do those adds gotta be killed or do they just disappear after a set amount of time

[strong hill]

We kill them off after the debuff is gone.

[primal crypt]

@ember arrow looks like catfriend needs some assistance <3

[prisma crane]

the more of the you CC the easier the fight gets

and preplan the CC

you can make it so you never have to move in that phase

once you get the aoe CC down that becomes by far the easiest of the 4 adds to deal with

[analog swift]

@junior ivy no holy fuck dpsing the shadow bitch made the fight exponentially easier for us.

having a dps hold the shadow ho and not having "already and swap" over the mic every ten seconds/losing dps uptime because you are following the bosses but can't go through the middle or out of the shiny shit sucks.

Just having a dps w/ taunt hold aggro, they just gotta be heads up cuz of the blades, have both tanks just sit in front/behind fire/frost ho, and taunt as per ussualy (actually I prefer taunting on two cuz it's so easy)

[olive swan]

hey guys is there a way to track the tier 21 4 set buff triggers?

[analog swift]

^^I'd think there would be a weak aura for it, just go get in a fight w/ a mob, bloc kattacks and see what buff you get

[prisma crane]

yea, i dont use 4p, but i'd imagine you'd more or less just treat it as a passive though

[final mist]

You don't really need to track it.

It just buffs your IP.

[analog swift]

yeah i don't really see the point of tracking it, cuz you're next IP will just doit automatically

[turbid horizon]

@ember arrow bb what's that picture of neltharions fury mitigating 90% of foe breaker?

@prisma crane you had one too i think

[distant pier]

Is aman'thuls and arcano crystal a viable trink build?

Like 2.6k in all 4 secondary stats

[hard wyvern]

@olive swan I made a WA for it, I can link it to you when I get home

[primal crypt]

@mazrigosh#6174 you have amanthuls???

[distant pier]

Correct. I want to know if I should farm arcano from relinq to have even more stat stick

[tepid coral]

do we still generate rage from hits?

[ember arrow]

@turbid horizon its what it says

[turbid horizon]

Yea the log

[jaunty canopy]

@distant pier id buy trinkets from the vender anyways as prot as you could get arcano or even jawbone from VH

[ember arrow]

@turbid horizon want me to link it or smt?

it has been surpassed since

[echo grail]

new prot warrior here

why does it feel so much squishier than my druid

[ember arrow]

prob not utilizing kit correctly

bear is like ultimate alt tab tank

if u can ask a specific question about whats doign dmg we might help u

[echo grail]

hounds

fire dog

[ember arrow]

do u use SB on bites?

[echo grail]

hitting me over 50%

[turbid horizon]

Just need to show my guild how good warrior is Levko 😛

[echo grail]

isn't burning maw fire damage?

[ember arrow]

@echo grail use Shield block on bites, when u got 5 stacks or more rotate spell reflect, Shield wall, Last stand and demoralizing shout

[echo grail]

shouldnt i use ignore pain?

[ember arrow]

it is but its blockable

[echo grail]

ooh

neato

[ember arrow]

https://goo.gl/RT9GcB

u should consuilt this guide for blockable/reflectable spells

u shud always use ignore pain

[echo grail]

thank ya

[ember arrow]

but shield block is our metigation SUPPORTED BY ignore pain not other way around

also are we talking about mythico r hc?

[echo grail]

i just boosted this thing

i'm trying to get the hang of it

[ember arrow]

ah, if u got any qeustions, me and my buddies are happy to help

make sure to look at pins, alot of possible questions are answered there

[echo grail]

for un-mitigationable boss abilities, say portal keeper debuff, should i focus more on IP?

[ember arrow]

i answer that question wit my own question

what talents are u using

thats a good place to start

level 75,90 and 100 mainly

[echo grail]

devestator, booming voice, anger management

[ember arrow]

good good

well bosses with long or permanent bleeds are our biggest weakness, so what we gotta do to metigate that

[echo grail]

i have the walls fell as my only current leggo

[ember arrow]

u must use cds liberally

thats really good leggo

[echo grail]

oh good

[ember arrow]

with AM and TWF shiel wall cd will be around 1 min

use it on cd especially when actively tanking her

u got t212p? or not yet

[echo grail]

not yet

[ember arrow]

make sure to get it at any ilvl, its a great boost to our rage regen/dps/surv

on bosses like portal keeper try to metigate as many melees as possible but rotate cds freely as i mentioned

dont be afraid to use them

theyre really short

especially dem shout shud be used on cd

[echo grail]

nice change from other tank specs ive tried

with only one or two cds with long ass cds

[ember arrow]

dem shout increases rage regen, reduces dmg taken and increases dmg done

its cd with AM is around 45 sec when the 2 sec duration expires

12 sec***

with t21 2p my battle cry cd is reduced by 30 sec when the 5 sec duration is over, jsut to illustrate

[echo grail]

oh wow

[turbid horizon]

O

that's cool I guess

[strong hill]

All that versi

[echo grail]

i'll give you 43 gold

[ember arrow]

i got 2 980 from hc

and was like huh

whtats the point of doing mythic anymore

[turbid horizon]

lol

[ember arrow]

esp with the "quality"of players in my guilds

that die over and over again

[echo grail]

did you tell them to avoid boss mechanics?

[ember arrow]

i progressed imonar 8 hours

didntk ill

they cant survive the fucking

bridge

i gave up on mythic, break from it

temporarily at least

[turbid horizon]

We're progging imonar now :/

[primal crypt]

@ember arrow you have to help them get 980 pieces now

Need to get that cutting edge

:)

[ember arrow]

dont see the point

[echo grail]

the only reason to do mythic argus is for the sweet scythe mog and abomination doggo mount

[ember arrow]

i got scythe from normal wednesday

so, uhh

[prisma crane]

Imonar isn't that bad. People just need to get the bridge down and he'll die

[echo grail]

isnt the mythic one red tho/

[ember arrow]

ye waste 3 days a week 3 hours a day to get red mog wit 1% chance

[echo grail]

yes

[ember arrow]

that i cant use since i dont play classes wit 2 handers

[echo grail]

😃

[ember arrow]

currently afking in bg, wanted 20 honor

cant be arsed to do pvp

[jaunty canopy]

anyone know if there is a weak aura to know who Feed on the Weak is casted on it before it does dmg to the target?

[echo grail]

people are dying on lfr eonar

[ember arrow]

ayy

msot of wow community

then they complain that they need to be exalted with nightfallen to get allied races after 2 years

: GRIND??? IN AN MMO, WHATTTT

[echo grail]

did any of y'all see the post on mmo champ about the guy complaining that prot warrs are op cause they do more damage than his blood dk

[ember arrow]

no link pls

id love to see that

[echo grail]

lets see if i can find it

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2373165-Why-do-Blood-DK-deal-much-less-DMG-than-Prot-Warrior?p=48807059#post48807059

[ember arrow]

insert joke about guy playin blood dk complaining about prot war

oh its from july 2012

[echo grail]

oh

didnt see date

[ember arrow]

yea

[echo grail]

it was just a recent post on there

wait

says 2-2-2018

[ember arrow]

with t21 2p overaggro most tanks

good excuse to whisper ppl the famous "?"

or "l2p and aggro"

and watch rage

[echo grail]

i play a bear

lemme complain about demon hunter damage

[ember arrow]

bears cant hold aggro at all vs me

i need to alt tab

[echo grail]

i need more tanks like you then

[ember arrow]

i do around 12 mil dmg in 5 sec

every 25 sec

12 with shield slam and 3 devastator melees

so like 17 mil give or take

[sick sentinel]

Does Cee-An Charger work with renewed fury's enrage?

[ember arrow]

no

only wit berserker rage

but its not a good leggo for us

[sick sentinel]

dang, I just bored with prydaz and mannoroths

[ember arrow]

prydaz?

u got nothign else?

literally anything else

[sick sentinel]

fury/arms shit

KJBW

agg's boots

[ember arrow]

well nothing else

xd

[sick sentinel]

heh

[ember arrow]

f u use BC wit boots

u get speed boost

[sick sentinel]

prydaz shield isn't good or something?

[ember arrow]

no

unreliable and small

[sick sentinel]

ah, i'll rock boots then, I love running fast

[ember arrow]

well prydaz wud be better defensively thant boots

but its not good

[sick sentinel]

tank just my M+ spec so I don't have to LFG for days

[ember arrow]

u mean u use tank for m+?

[sick sentinel]

yes

so my loot spec is never set to prot

which is the problem

[ember arrow]

well

theres 1 solution to that

isnt there 😛

[sick sentinel]

luckily with manno's it doesn't seem to matter, I'm usually #1 in healing for the group

[ember arrow]

depends on ur keys

hands/belt are pretty invaluable

as is legs for some situations

[sick sentinel]

37% haste too high?

[ember arrow]

there is no min or max haste

ilvl>haste>mastery>=vers>>>>>>>>>>crit

[sick sentinel]

actually insignia over boots is probably my best bet

stat stick ring

[dense cradle]

@echo grail i legitimately dont know how people can raid tank and keep their sanity

get cotank that does no dmg

rip aggro every 30s

reeee

[echo grail]

tanking is fun

on some specs

druid, warr, pally

[dense cradle]

idk

i enjoy 5man tanking more

than raid

[ember arrow]

druid tanki..... zzzzzzzzz

[sick sentinel]

druid?

they press 2 buttons

[echo grail]

gg is gg

[dense cradle]

i dont like brm

because my survivability depending on if my healer is picking his nose or not

not my idea of fun

[echo grail]

bdk is worst tank

dumb

boring

[ember arrow]

nah

bdk

go from 0% to 100% in 0.2 sec

[dense cradle]

bdk is fine if you dont mind snail movement

[true tinsel]

I was ripping threat at 945 off of our bear that is 962. My alt prot war vs his main bear

[echo grail]

your bear is shit then

[true tinsel]

So I feel you on the threat deal

[dense cradle]

i dont get tanks who like

say they're playing full def so their dmg is shit

but still die to random hits

?????

[ember arrow]

that happens to pala, warrs usually

bears u only die if u try

[dense cradle]

oh yeah

pally tanks who drop sotr

then get 1banged

[ember arrow]

same wit us really on some moments

[dense cradle]

idk some people confuse me

like i was playing warlock alt with burning rush on

healer somehow has time to pm you have rush on

midfight

@ember arrow this one time i had an azralon pally tank in a 17 nelths tyrannical

dies to first razor shard

3x

[ember arrow]

so he didnt move out of it

retard

[true tinsel]

Yea I messed up and used sb to early on a schyth on heroic argus and got 1 shot. Log said an then 8.4 sec later I got gibbed

[dense cradle]

lost count of how many pallies

i see just get rekt by helya tentacles

[ember arrow]

nono

DODGABLE

i almost write blockable automatically

[dense cradle]

do argus normal pug

rip aggro

argus scythes the raid

[ember arrow]

my argus hc record

18 stacks

normal 26 stacks then he died

[dense cradle]

yeah idk

bdk died as soon as p2 adds got brought to middle

like 5s in

[ember arrow]

BLOCK

them melees

bruh

[dense cradle]

pugs are just

[ember arrow]

adds are ezpz

[dense cradle]

i cant even

[ember arrow]

welcome to my world m8

[dense cradle]

its literally amazing

do argus on my warlock stand in middle dot everything

get meleed

?????

[ember arrow]

well locks aree tanky

[dense cradle]

11m melee

unfortunate

[echo grail]

back during siege of org

[dense cradle]

i pretty much avoid skittish if im not tanking

or someone i know is

[echo grail]

on mythic garrosh prog when we solo tanked with a warr

[ember arrow]

11 mil

rokie numbers

rookie

enraged varimathras

critblocks

wit debuff

[dense cradle]

i miss siege solotanking

[echo grail]

i remember bursting 12M dps opener

[dense cradle]

vengeance

[echo grail]

and getting hit for teh same

only time i ever pulled aggro off that warr

or anyone did

[dense cradle]

gaming vengeance was prob the most fun

ever

[echo grail]

they should bring back vengeance

[true tinsel]

I main a rogue and have for most of this xpac but I tanked from wrath through wod so I'm a bit rusty so I got pissed when I missed the sb and got 1 shot

[dense cradle]

hey

50% dodge is tanky

Kappa

[true tinsel]

Lol

[echo grail]

wb 60% dr from armor plus 20% dr cd

[dense cradle]

why you get 50% dodge from traits as a dps

extremely questionable

[echo grail]

boomkin have more armor than tanks

[dense cradle]

yeah

cuz you're obv getting meleed often

as a dps

[echo grail]

i dont know why they have it either

[dense cradle]

dont question blizz druid logic

prune tank stances from most dps with tank specs

keep bear form

[ember arrow]

well bear form si their def cd

i dont see a prob with that

[echo grail]

i'd like to buy glad stance back

[dense cradle]

dont they have

barksin

barkskin

[echo grail]

ya

[ember arrow]

dps spec?

[echo grail]

boomkin form gives 100% armor

artifact trait gives add'l 25% armor per point

[dense cradle]

you have frenzied regen as dps druid too

[echo grail]

so that's 200% more armor in shit chickn form

[ember arrow]

on bear form

[dense cradle]

iirc it was a glyph to have bumkin armor

[echo grail]

not anymore

shits baseline now

[dense cradle]

yeah some glyphs made it baseline

some didnt

[echo grail]

so now in boomkin form, take mine for ex

60% dr from armor, 20% full dr from barkskin, 6% dr from guardian affin

[dense cradle]

dunno im just annoyed to blizz inconsistency

if they're gonna prune but miss the mark alot with druids

[echo grail]

i just want thorns back

as an actual buff

[dense cradle]

pvp talent

kek

[echo grail]

no

give me the thorns

that let me 1v1 melee as resto

[dense cradle]

blizzards idea of class fantasy though

is bears tanking by

shooting moon lasers

out of their eyes

[echo grail]

meat shield

[dense cradle]

meat shield doing half their dmg

with lasers

ye

[echo grail]

i got the shoulders so i moved from thrash to lazerz

[dense cradle]

i have no idea where ignore pain came from

for prot either

[echo grail]

prot warrs are big dumb and angry

you gotta hit them hard to get their attention

[ember arrow]

unless they play belfs wit lego size shields

[echo grail]

highmountain

looking at bear logs cause tank getting molested by heroic vari

only one ironfur cast whole fight

[ember arrow]

must've been distracted by complex rotation

[true tinsel]

Ignore pain came from barbarian in Diablo 3

Much like the hammers that spin around pallies now came from the crusader in d3

[timid jay]

Those were in d2 as well though?

[magic rover]

Vengeance or BV?

[true tinsel]

Umm Idk I haven't played d2

[timid jay]

If you have t21 2p, go BV

[magic rover]

and belt right?

I mean leg

legendary belt

[timid jay]

Belt is mainly used for AoE

[magic rover]

I see

[timid jay]

Or if you're looking for dps parses

[magic rover]

btw going bv, you dont have to do the weaving right?

[timid jay]

Yes

weaving is only there because of vengeance

[magic rover]

cool

so its gonna be rev on proc, IP on 60 rage?

[tiny sphinx]

can really IP whenever the hell you want, just be judicious

[timid jay]

Can still be worth using revenge, you'll have capped IP sometimes

Fish for some more SS procs

[magic rover]

I see, ty 😄

[bitter sleet]

Thank you for updating the tank guide! 😄

[warm plinth]

Any recommendations for a new warrior who for some reason doesn't spend their rage? I'm seriously about to create WAs for my girlfriend that just dings whenever IP or Revenge is usable just so I don't have to be like "use your rage babe" every 2 pulls :p

[timid jay]

Maybe make one that flashes over 80 or so rage?

[warm plinth]

That's not a bad idea

[minor wren]

so looking around i keep seeing different things, how bad are lego wrist for surv

[warm plinth]

BiS

They're not even sort of bad

[minor wren]

oh nice

[warm plinth]

Who is saying they're bad? 😮

[minor wren]

just different stuff everywhere and alot of people go for dmg as a tank

whats the other one i want to get?

[warm plinth]

For survivability?

[minor wren]

yea

[warm plinth]

Class ring without T21 2pc, gloves or belt with probably

[minor wren]

awesome thanks

[lapis kayak]

Hi folks! I've been asked by my guild to go tank for mythic ABT, but it's been a while since i tanked anything. Any tips gear and legendary wise for me? Got all the legendaries and rolling with 4pt20 (920+) 2pt21 and legendary belt + wrist. As for trinkets im using the Darkmoon deck: immortality and the aggramar one. Should i swap the tier to t21 and go with the legendary hands or keep rolling with what i have atm?

[ember arrow]

tiers combo is best for survivability if u need cds

dmd is always good vs physical dmg (not agaisnt 99% of bleeds mind u, includng portal keeper and imonar)

tank pantheon i think has good proc, the random heal to full can help u and increased hp aswell

but it is mostly used for raid benefits

other than that, u gotta ask boss specific

[lapis kayak]

I do not have the pantheon trinket atm

since ive been dps till now

[ember arrow]

i thought u meant

aggramars conviction

[lapis kayak]

no, i have smoldering titanguard

[ember arrow]

the titanguard isnt really used for anything i think

[lapis kayak]

allright, then should i go back to the stamina trink from host that i used in ToS or shall i use arcano (910)?

[ember arrow]

arcano for dps

reliquary for surv

[lapis kayak]

allright, will do, cheers

Devastator with booming voice is best with the belt combo?

[ember arrow]

i wudnt use belt on bosses

[mortal hawk]

Devastator always

[ember arrow]

use TWF/wrists with setcombo

if u dont need surv then setcombo isnt needed

then u can roll with wrists/hands

if u dont need surv u can go hands/belt or hands/AHR

[lapis kayak]

and 4set t21?

for damadge?

[ember arrow]

t214p is mostly for m+ trash

since it doesnt proc often enough wit 1 boss hitting u and wit tank swaps

[lapis kayak]

i see, so shall i just use 2p and high ilvl gear?

[ember arrow]

t212p is always essential

[mortal hawk]

4 set t21 is solid for m+/fights with adds, kind of meh for single target boss tanking. I just go 2pc t21 and ilvl for ST

[lapis kayak]

when im not focuse don survival

[ember arrow]

ye t21 2p and high ilvl

[lapis kayak]

allright

Thank you very much for the help guys! Gotta get practicing then, havent tanked since september

(on a prot warr)

[ember arrow]

np, if u got more questions ask

[lapis kayak]

will do!

[echo grail]

who wants to hear a funny story

[prisma crane]

i dont

i like when other people have shitty stories, makes mine better

😉

[echo grail]

well this is a pretty shit story actually

but funny in shock value

i wiped on lfr varimathras

twice

[drowsy matrix]

what legos to use in m+ when im forced to tank ?

gloves + belt ?

[prisma crane]

impressive kara

gloves and belt or gloves and bracers generally

[echo grail]

the dps was bad

so bad

[timid jay]

I spent 1h on varimathras today

LFR

got up to 5 or 6 determination stacks

[prisma crane]

but how?

can practically solo him

[timid jay]

Hit enrage every pull, people were doing like 200-300k dps

[prisma crane]

lol

[echo grail]

how do you not kick the people

[prisma crane]

ahhh

[timid jay]

Was only 1 guy above 600k dps, almost all characters were boosted

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma crane]

ouch

did carry this one dude

in an arcway 16 for like 120k

we pulled the first 2 groups of slimes

and he capped at around 400k dps

that's 5 of the splitting slimes

i was done around 13m

and dps higher than that

idk how you can do under 1m with

like just blizzard should beat that

[warm plinth]

Yeah, LFR is pretty rough lately. I haven't seen this many people at 400k since Tomb LFR

I want to take my windwalker into ATB LFR just so I can look like a god

1.8 mil DPS to everyone else's 400k XD

[untold vigil]

i've heard lfr has been brutal since the xpac preview release. all boosted characters.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, too many people playing a class/spec that they're completely unfamiliar with.

Only trouble I've had with enrage timers is Argus though

[prisma crane]

with no legos*

[warm plinth]

Eh, yeah, but a lego is like 5-10% of DPS

Not going to be the make or break on whether they're pulling competent DPS or not

[ember arrow]

1.5mil dps on high command

ayyy

[warm plinth]

HC?

[ember arrow]

hc

1 mil more dps than 950 rogue

yes

[warm plinth]

lawl

[ember arrow]

idk how

when i autoattack with devastator i do 250k

he did 500k as a dps

im genuinely curious how thats possible outside of afking

[warm plinth]

And you can't even blame that on a boost because 950 actually still takes a little time

[fallow knot]

That's just awful

Maybe he's just not specced some how and doesn't have any abilities? Haha errrr

[warm plinth]

I mean, it's not even LFR. What is that dude's excuse

Even if he has one, he doesn't have one.

[junior ivy]

whats everyone hope to get in their chest tomorrow?

[warm plinth]

A legendary would be nice. Not hoping for much else because I've only done a +10 this week.

[scarlet mango]

anyone here experienced with M+ as prot ?

[warm plinth]

Levko does 20+ keys, but most of us do some level of M+

[scarlet mango]

I'm having trouble dealing with the begining of EOA with Teeming

[ember arrow]

whats up?

[scarlet mango]

I just did 22

and I have no idea how to pull this correctly

[warm plinth]

Wranglers aren't fun for you? 😃

[scarlet mango]

well it's more packing everything

[ember arrow]

warbring stu nwranglers or lightning prod goes off

[scarlet mango]

dealing with pre pack

[warm plinth]

Oh, you mean like pulling a big pack?

[ember arrow]

u charge ranged casters, melees come to u

[scarlet mango]

rushing with skystep ?

yeaah

[ember arrow]

what?

[scarlet mango]

just the begining

[ember arrow]

u jump down

[scarlet mango]

what do you do exactly

[ember arrow]

at left

[scarlet mango]

yup

3 adds

shockwave ?

[ember arrow]

no shockwave

never

warbringer

[scarlet mango]

I mean thunderclap

sorry

[ember arrow]

taunt melee, leap to middle, taunt range, charge range

if turtle gets ninjapulled no biggie

[warm plinth]

Doesn't Wrangler pull the turtles?

[ember arrow]

only thing thats relevant for u is its bite bleed

wrangler pulls turtles with lightning prod

[warm plinth]

Ah okay

[ember arrow]

if that goes off its a wipe

anyway

[warm plinth]

Yeah that shit hits for a fuckload

If I can wax eloquent for a moment

[scarlet mango]

ok so you thunderclap the first pack on the left, leap middle, charge on the range add --> warbringer stun, taunt the guy on the left, go pack to the pack that's following you, get some turtles with it, cds ?

[ember arrow]

i wudnt pull both packs on warrior

[scarlet mango]

ohhh

[ember arrow]

since u cant pull casters to u

[scarlet mango]

yeah that's the really annoying part

so just one sad pack ?

[ember arrow]

i always seperate or they run all over the palce

is kinda awkward to LOS them too

[scarlet mango]

so maybe then you pull the big guy with the 2 smallies and the turtle

[ember arrow]

big guy, with turtle, and 2 casters

[scarlet mango]

then same with the 2 range ?

wait

so you just do the 2 adds after the pack on the left alone ?

[ember arrow]

not without teeming

without teeming i pull both

then do big guy with casters

[scarlet mango]

ok so teeming is the special scenario

[ember arrow]

yea because no pulls

[scarlet mango]

that start is so annoying with teeming

it's insane

you just can't go big

[ember arrow]

no fortified so they die quickly

[scarlet mango]

without teeming I pull the two adds o nthe right before going down, with the turtle

what do you do ?

[ember arrow]

the melee guy withcaster, then run tonext pack wit another melee guy and caster

caster must be aggroed by dmg so he will runafter u

i never found that pack to be a problem tbh

i dont ha ve special strat

[scarlet mango]

idk, I just wiped to it and got really mad because nothing was packed, aggro problems etc

it's soo horrible as warrior to get aggro right

[ember arrow]

Not really

[junior ivy]

i hope i get shoulders in my chest tomorrow

[warm plinth]

Pulling where casters are involved as a warrior tank can be frustrating (unless there are LoS opportunities). Unless you plan on kiting it, it's probably best to just keep the pull smaller and more controlled. On non-teeming it's not a big deal because you don't have the wranglers fucking people up if a mistake is made.

[ember arrow]

I only wuped on that pack to prod not to aggro issues

[scarlet mango]

wait do you play with the infinite taunt with berserk rage ?

[ember arrow]

Yea

[scarlet mango]

I play with thunderclap range

ahh

might help

mouseover taunt

[warm plinth]

I never found TC range to be helpful. I don't have T20 and I just play with Bounding Stride unless it's skittish week where the taunt spamming is valuable.

[scarlet mango]

alright alright

[ember arrow]

u dont need shorter leap cd

unless u fuck up movement

[warm plinth]

I use it for move speed

[ember arrow]

but thats planning

if u want leaps equip boots/shoulder speed set

[warm plinth]

And because I have no reason to take WLC without T20

[scarlet mango]

so warbringer, victory rush, 10% damage, warlord or bounding stride, do you play with vengeance sometimes ?

[ember arrow]

safeguard

not imp victory

[scarlet mango]

really ?

[ember arrow]

yes

[scarlet mango]

how do you use this ?

[warm plinth]

Safeguard is amazing for tyrannical bosses especially

[scarlet mango]

ohhh

[ember arrow]

i charge frirnedly

and safe them

[distant pier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YP1VFgNxMBLrydWK#fight=16&type=damage-done

[warm plinth]

Can easily save a DPS from a mechanic

[scarlet mango]

I see!

[distant pier]

Can i get feedback and tups

[ember arrow]

i never use revenge

vengeance

i mean

[scarlet mango]

I'm really trying to improve my tanking

[ember arrow]

i do use revenge

[scarlet mango]

yeah haha :)

[ember arrow]

@distant pier u want dps analisys? since u link dmg done

[prisma crane]

@distant pier what're you looking to do?

[warm plinth]

I just started using it, and you can do shit like Safeguard 2 people at the start of Focused Lightning, pop SR so they don't have to use personals (though you have to make sure you're separated for the end of the cast, and idk if that strat works on high tyr since it might kill you :p )

[ember arrow]

well emile ask me anyhing

😄

[distant pier]

Yeah I'm fine on surviving. Just dps breakdown

[scarlet mango]

@warm plinth yeah! that's extremely good of an advice

[distant pier]

Feel like it could be more

[scarlet mango]

since you take like no damage with full IP and SR

[ember arrow]

@distant pier ye krotos or cosmo can help u on that not me

[scarlet mango]

@ember arrow thanks so much!

[ember arrow]

make sure to pm me since i work 13 hours a day and wont read thischat

[scarlet mango]

I'll definitely come back and ask questions :)

[warm plinth]

You can also do shit like intercept the scent of blood person on Fenryr so they don't take damage, though I don't think you need Safeguard to do that since he only melees 3 times and intercept does that by default.

[scarlet mango]

alright arlight

yup

damn

I need to more of these things

[ember arrow]

intercept has 10 yard range

[scarlet mango]

make prot warrior great again

[ember arrow]

safeguard has no max range

[warm plinth]

Ah, that's true

[prisma crane]

first off, grats on the AV

second, do you have other legos @distant pier ?

use gloves instead of soul ring

[distant pier]

None tank :(

[prisma crane]

dont use eye of command either

[distant pier]

Trying to pull gloves

[scarlet mango]

by the way, which legendaries do you use for m+ ?

[prisma crane]

what other trinkets do you have?

[warm plinth]

Prot wars are better in M+ than we're given credit for. You can do a lot of cheesy shit on quite a few bosses. Using Safeguard on last boss of CoS is a gamechanger since we barely even take damage on that fight and Slicing Maelstrom trucks your DPS

[ember arrow]

@scarlet mango ST dps belt/gloves, gloves/AHr

[prisma crane]

@scarlet mango gloves / belt / bracers

[distant pier]

Apoc drive 955

[scarlet mango]

I have 2 sets, belt + bracers, gloves + bracers

[prisma crane]

^

[distant pier]

Deck 900

[scarlet mango]

alright

[ember arrow]

ST surv hands/wrists ST super turtle mode t204p t212p wrists/TWF for 4 specific bosses

[distant pier]

Writhing heart

920

[ember arrow]

aoe dps hand/belt aoe surv: belt/wrists

[prisma crane]

@distant pier i guess your eye is OK since it's got a lot of STR, but you prob want to replace that when you can

[scarlet mango]

where would be a good example of using AHR?

[ember arrow]

anywhere if u can make shield pop

[prisma crane]

VARI

[ember arrow]

stand in shit

[prisma crane]

Vari*

[ember arrow]

/sit

[scarlet mango]

in m+ :p

I main dps, I dps in raids ;p

[ember arrow]

turn back to boss

then BC when shield is almost down

[scarlet mango]

oh

[undone sun]

only really for ST, offensively the damage splits and loses value on aoe

[ember arrow]

^i mentioned only ST dps

[scarlet mango]

so if I want to go for big dick dps

AHR, gloves ?

full haste mastery ?

[ember arrow]

ilvl first

[scarlet mango]

obv

[prisma crane]

@distant pier could also use KJBW instead of soul ring if you're looking for dps for now, replace the EoC and get a different ring on

assuming you ahve the dps legos

[warm plinth]

Wait, I thought AHR couldn't crit since it's based on a %. 🤔

[prisma crane]

it doesnt crit

[ember arrow]

pretty sure it can

it cant?

[prisma crane]

no

[ember arrow]

WAAAAAAAAT

well

[scarlet mango]

dreams crushed

[ember arrow]

i was so sure it crit

[warm plinth]

You can still cheese AHR by using it with Last Stand though, since it makes the shield bigger.

[ember arrow]

oh well

[distant pier]

Damn well I get a Lego buy tonight so hope I pull a dps one

[scarlet mango]

yeah did this on Maiden, LS + AHR

[prisma crane]

1m ST isnt bad though

[scarlet mango]

• NF

[prisma crane]

you'll gain a fair amount of dmg from the gloves though

[scarlet mango]

in pure single target, how much damage do you output with full dps gear ? I'm curious

[prisma crane]

depends on the fight

and RFDT

[scarlet mango]

training dummy

[prisma crane]

no idea

i dont use them : /

[distant pier]

Yeah I just put eye on cause I was competing with that overheated paper in tank for dps lol

[scarlet mango]

m+ boss where you don't have to move

[distant pier]

He had one too

[scarlet mango]

just a number

[ember arrow]

around 1.4mil

[scarlet mango]

alright

[ember arrow]

the longer the lower

ofc

[scarlet mango]

yup

[warm plinth]

Would you use a 915 Eye over 920 mast stick for M+ Lev? :p

[ember arrow]

100%

[scarlet mango]

eye isn't good is it ?

[prisma crane]

these are my mythic kill dps

1.4 would be very strong for pure ST imo

[ember arrow]

eye is good

[scarlet mango]

alright thanks!

eye of command ?

[ember arrow]

eye of fharg

[warm plinth]

Nah

[scarlet mango]

oh xD

[warm plinth]

I'm talking F'harg

[scarlet mango]

sorry

[ember arrow]

shatug is used as def trink

[scarlet mango]

alright one last question

[warm plinth]

I don't have DMD and don't plan on buying it, so thought it would probably be decent in M+

[ember arrow]

it is

[warm plinth]

And I've had shit luck with trinkets anyway

[ember arrow]

i recommend eye/haste stick

real good on bosses

[warm plinth]

Though this week I got a 915 Eye on my war and a 915 codex on my VDH so I guess that's okay.

[ember arrow]

if u got no specialized trinks like apoc drive, diimas or pantheon

[scarlet mango]

what if I have 14% ignore pain relic (7/7) and when sumd to 90 it does 104%, how does it work ?

[warm plinth]

I'm using a 940 chrono as my other trinket

[ember arrow]

why not bastion?

and what do u mean?

IP is 14% more

[distant pier]

@prisma crane th for help

[prisma crane]

np

[ember arrow]

so 1mil IP will be 1.14 mil

[scarlet mango]

but

1M IP will only stop 900k

[ember arrow]

new IP is now 1.14

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but you'll still have 100k left on IP

[prisma crane]

no, it doesnt affect that %

[ember arrow]

1.14 x 0.9

is new value

[prisma crane]

it just affects how much IP you get per point of rage

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah it's just how much of an IP shield you get. Not how much it absorbs of the hit

[scarlet mango]

so there is no overcap ok ok

I was afraid

[distant pier]

I think I'm almost mythic ready tank wise. Just need to get my stronger legos and diimas

[ember arrow]

no theres not

[scarlet mango]

good

[prisma crane]

fwiw Maz

almost have Aggramar down

[warm plinth]

And the IP trait does adjust your cap iirc

[prisma crane]

and just got a diima's

you dont need it, but it's nice

[scarlet mango]

and damagewise, prot warriors are good right ?

[prisma crane]

we're alright

[ember arrow]

yea

[prisma crane]

middle pack

[warm plinth]

Not the best, but not the worst

[scarlet mango]

DH is the best right ?

[prisma crane]

maybe upper mid

DH/Pally i think

[scarlet mango]

ok ok

and defensivewise we're the worst right ? 😂

[prisma crane]

no not really

[ember arrow]

if by worst u mean 20th dmg taken

[warm plinth]

Not in this raid we're not

[ember arrow]

in mythic kills

[scarlet mango]

in m+

[ember arrow]

definitely not worst

[prisma crane]

we're second from the bottom though (above DH) in raid representation though

[scarlet mango]

who's worse then ?

[warm plinth]

Eh. I don't think so. We stay at high health a lot.

[ember arrow]

on 20ish keys im usually not even #1 dmg taken

[warm plinth]

We just can spike badly if we fuck up

[prisma crane]

but,if you fuck up you're often jsut dead

not low hp

[ember arrow]

we WILL SPIKE BADLY

[prisma crane]

dead

[ember arrow]

bot can

not "can"

[warm plinth]

Fair lol

[scarlet mango]

yeah, that's the thing :/ one fortified 20+ EOA hydra slap when no SB

and boom dead

[warm plinth]

We are the most punishing tank for mistakes.

[ember arrow]

use SR

not sb

[scarlet mango]

Hydra auto attack

[ember arrow]

rotate cds

magic component isnt blocked

[prisma crane]

i'd say roughly tied with pallies for mistakes

[ember arrow]

magic component is random proc

so u rotate cds on high keys

[scarlet mango]

so the skillcap is high for warrior in m+ right ?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[ember arrow]

u must nknow trrash

[scarlet mango]

Levko, the hydra's auto attack deal magic damage ?

[ember arrow]

and what to use vs them

[warm plinth]

And I'd agree with Krotos. Paladins get hammered if they fuck up too

[ember arrow]

they dont always

it s a chance

[scarlet mango]

what ???

[ember arrow]

yea

[scarlet mango]

every add ?

[warm plinth]

I did not know this 😮

[scarlet mango]

or just those ?

[ember arrow]

the ones in eoa

[scarlet mango]

damn

[ember arrow]

what other hydras are there?

[scarlet mango]

that's sneaky

[ember arrow]

it says it literally

on their frame

sneaky

[scarlet mango]

looool

[distant pier]

I feel like our class is the Lee sin of wow in terms of skill to reward

[ember arrow]

woa there

lol flashbacks

[scarlet mango]

FeelsGoodMan or FeelsBadMan

?

[ember arrow]

first good then bad

lost love for the game yaknow over years

[scarlet mango]

it's very salt inducing

[ember arrow]

but yea hydras

[distant pier]

Same

[ember arrow]

use SR when they melee

use some cs when not having SR

[scarlet mango]

alright I'll remember

[ember arrow]

u WILL get fucked up

[scarlet mango]

there are so many things I need to learn it's crazy

[ember arrow]

if it procs

[prisma crane]

you talking about maw, not eoa right?

[warm plinth]

No, he's talking about a magic damage proc on hydra auto attacks in EoA

[ember arrow]

mos has hydras?

[prisma crane]

maw has those sneaky fuckers that destroy with magic dmg

[ember arrow]

ohh

very sinister strike

u mean

[prisma crane]

yes

[warm plinth]

Fuck Swiftblades

[ember arrow]

use poants

ortate cds

[warm plinth]

I don't have good legendaries Lev; stop rubbing it in!

[ember arrow]

dont use pants

rotate cds

[warm plinth]

XD

[scarlet mango]

haha

damn I'll need to get them out of the back

[prisma crane]

i prefer to yolo

[scarlet mango]

bank*

[ember arrow]

u cant really do high keys without knowing trash, especially trash

as warrior

[prisma crane]

Lev, what's ur toon name again?

[warm plinth]

Do you not use pants on Ymiron Emile?

[scarlet mango]

yeahhhh bosses are soo chill as warrior

[ember arrow]

Levko

[scarlet mango]

no, but now I know Ishould

[ember arrow]

m+ score slacking atm

alot of work

[prisma crane]

Draenor right?

[ember arrow]

yea

[scarlet mango]

I mean it's not that hard CD, SR, CD, SR,...

[prisma crane]

it's not bad, esp since you almost exclusively pug

[ember arrow]

i only pug

[scarlet mango]

but I guess an emergency SR would be nice

[prisma crane]

better than mine atm

[ember arrow]

i leanred tanking thanks to pugs

[warm plinth]

It's not, but when you can make an absolute joke of it and do damage to the boss

It does damage to him too Emile, it's not just defensive

[scarlet mango]

I know

[ember arrow]

Emile u can reflect chaotic energy to oen 3rd boss

wanna do 50mil dmg in .5 sec

[prisma crane]

i'm determined to break 4k rating, i have a long way to go

[warm plinth]

7% of boss's health in .5 seconds

[scarlet mango]

COEN ?

[ember arrow]

yea

[prisma crane]

that said, im not exactly trying very hard...

[scarlet mango]

LOL

[warm plinth]

Yeah, the spell you hide in shield for, you can reflect it

[ember arrow]

dont need to be inside shield

at any time

[scarlet mango]

where's that cheet again ?

SR

[warm plinth]

In pins

[prisma crane]

biggest single reflect in the game

[scarlet mango]

omfg

[prisma crane]

prob over 31m is the highest ive seen so far

[scarlet mango]

I need to learn this SR cheet

sheet*

[warm plinth]

I have that shit memorized at this point. I love cheesing shit

[ember arrow]

u know what hurts

[prisma crane]

31m was a 21 tyrannical i think

[warm plinth]

I nelth's fury Pulverizing Cudgel just because I can

[ember arrow]

molten crash

even witht SB up

i always NF pulverizing cudgel

[warm plinth]

It's especially fun because you know that pug healer is panicking his ass off

And then it doesn't even break IP

[ember arrow]

"wait that was supposed to do dmg"

[scarlet mango]

what's pulverizing cudgel ?

i'm french

[ember arrow]

the aoe of coen 2nd boss

[warm plinth]

The aoe from CoEN 2nd boss

[scarlet mango]

dunno the names

[ember arrow]

its blockable

not really useful but fun

[scarlet mango]

haha