protection

[sick sentinel]

:joy:

[glacial sage]

very considerate of you

[sick sentinel]

My bad. It lagged

[glacial sage]

it happens

what dps spec do you like the most?

[sick sentinel]

I raid only as far as curve so haven't experienced true pain in a while. Too old and busy to dream of cutting edge again. First few mythic bosses are fine and fun but that's as far as it goes. .

I'm enjoying arms atm. Fury looks amazing but I don't want to go farm another cof.

[compact geyser]

This Discord on mobile always lags

[glacial sage]

Theres about 22,000 people on all the time

so thats expected

[mystic rain]

hello friends. Has there been a discussion in this channel about the highmountain tauren racial rugged tenacity? I have 2 questions. 1. does the damge reduction apply to every source, tick, swing, aoe, etc. of damage and 2. is the reduction applied AFTER mitigation?

[timid jay]

I would assume the answer is yes to both

Its still not very good though

[compact geyser]

The 1% verse is the better racial.

[timid jay]

^

[rugged light]

So would Tauren still be the ideal Race due to Slight Hp Increase? or its just preference.

[delicate urchin]

which race got 1% vers?

[rugged light]

Highmountain Allied race

[compact geyser]

The Stam from OG Tauren isn't that much. It's almost not perceivable. 😜

[rugged light]

is there any racial Passive thats very valuable to the Prot warrior?

[timid jay]

No really, belf aoe silence for m+

Racials in general are very minor

[glacial sage]

besides, everyone knows dwarfs have the best racials

[compact geyser]

Goblin master race reporting in 😋

[rugged light]

interesting thank you:D

[haughty marsh]

any warrior here that has gotten the prot hidden artifact?

[timid jay]

Most of us I'd guess

[rugged light]

Against other classes, how hard would 11/11 M Be for Antorus?

Considering Most people wont take a warrior, other than Vari fights.

[haughty marsh]

is there a way to check if you've already missed the scream for the hidden artifact?

[hybrid dagger]

Which are the best Legendary for M+?

[junior ivy]

what are marks of honour good for if you already bought every pvp appearajce set?

appearance

[livid tendon]

Belt @hybrid dagger

[hybrid dagger]

what in the 2nd slot?

[livid tendon]

Wrists / legs for surv, hands for dps

[hybrid dagger]

ahh thanks! so belt and hands would be a good comp?

[glacial sage]

legs are only useful in certain situations

[hybrid dagger]

since atm im using Wrist and belt

[glacial sage]

wrists/belt

for adds

[livid tendon]

Wrists if youre a pussy

SeemsGood

Depends on high the key is tho cus if you're doing 20+ the mobs live long enough for legs to be useful

[hybrid dagger]

but from 10-15 belt and hands should be good enough?

[livid tendon]

Y

[glacial sage]

if you're useing 4pc2pc then you can't

wrists are good survivability

[hybrid dagger]

yeah i got 4pc 2pc atm so i can see its in the way

[glacial sage]

[polar wave]

📌

[hybrid dagger]

sorry about that

[hollow tundra]

Best tanking trinket for Imonar Mythic?

Apoca?

[ember arrow]

@rugged light wud be easily doable

dmd/apoc drive

wit pantheon

[rugged light]

dmd=Darkmoon Deck? ;o

[ember arrow]

yes

[rugged light]

ty

[ember arrow]

can also use whod

writhing heart of darkness

[hollow kite]

how much IL is worth giving up for the T20 4piece

[scenic dune]

defensively, beleive it's around 30 I'll a slot? or have we changed that?

offensively, 2p t21 and ilvl

[halcyon patio]

Any opinion on neck enchant for prot if you're aiming for dps and not survivability

[timid jay]

hidden satyr

[rugged light]

@ember arrow Which pantheon? Khaz'Goroth?

[ember arrow]

the tank one ofcourse

[viral vector]

aman'thuls, tank one is trash

[sick sentinel]

can someone tell me why the rl wanted a dd to tank one of the bosses on coven

[ember arrow]

tank one is good

@sick sentinel shadow bitch doesnt melee

so no need to let bosses walk near each other and both tanks can stay at fire

[junior ivy]

is it common to do it that way oin heroic coven?

[tawny glen]

Devastator or Indominable?

[ember arrow]

devastator

[tawny glen]

Im actually on Antorus HC

[ember arrow]

never indomitable

[tawny glen]

And on 960 ilvl i got 8,8 mln hp

I think is too low hp

[ember arrow]

no its not

never go indomotable

[nocturne plover]

never

[junior ivy]

never never never never never

[sick sentinel]

never

[ember arrow]

antorus hc on 960, if ur not bottom of dmg taken, ur doing it wrong

[tawny glen]

Legendaries for raiding are soul and hands?

[junior ivy]

wrists and uh

belt or ring or gloves or something

whatever your tier allows

[tawny glen]

I got all legendaries

I think hands are useless, becouse I generate pain so fast

[ember arrow]

handsare bis for dps

really good for surv too single target

u cant generate too much rage

[junior ivy]

but you cant use them if youre using 4pc/2pc tier combo

[ember arrow]

unless ur too slow pressing IP

[junior ivy]

i use wrists and gloves, cause all i use is t21 2pc

and i love the wrists/gloves combo ❤

[ember arrow]

soul isnt used since t21

4pt20/2pt21 with wrists/TWF

[tawny glen]

So dont use soul?

[ember arrow]

or 4pt21 with wrists/hands

[tawny glen]

I got full set from Antorus

So bracers and hands?

[junior ivy]

yup

[tawny glen]

And go vengeance talent with that comp and devastate?

[ember arrow]

no vengeance

booming voice

vengeance, as well as soul ring isnt used atm

[polar atlas]

So how good are warrior tanks right now

[tawny glen]

No booming voice > vengeance?

so*

[timid jay]

For t21, yes

[ember arrow]

@polar atlas good, but punishing if u fuck up

[timid jay]

If you dont have t21 2p then vengeance will be stronger than BV

(unless its AoE and you have TGV)

[tawny glen]

I got full set

BV, devastator, anger managment, bracers and hands

actually

[polar atlas]

thanks @ember arrow

[tough gull]

Anyone have opnions on having more than 25% haste or is it worthless to go higher?

[ember arrow]

there is no minimum or max haste

[void kite]

More is better but not worth sacrificing ilvl

[ember arrow]

whered u get 25% from

[tough gull]

I could Obv. be wrong, but was reading 25% was needed for 5 SS's in Battle cry rotation

[ember arrow]

well yea but thats no reason to not go higher

[tough gull]

im just trying to way a few % of haste for gaining a lot more Mastery.

weeigh*

[ember arrow]

haste>>mastery

ilvl>>haste

[tawny glen]

I got 28% haste, 53% mastery and 16% vers, is that good?

[long bronze]

I would try to exchange vers for haste if I was you

[prisma crane]

^ generally yes, but dont sacrifice ilvl to do so

[teal pollen]

in mythic+ is the t20 4 t21 2 still used

[green isle]

if you're smashing low keys and don't care about survivability i'd drop t21 2pc on trash packs so you can get as many revenges into bc

that's assuming your t21 is worse than your offpieces

in general

[tawny glen]

I cant exchange vers for more haste sadly

[shy wigeon]

I know this is a weird question because I can't find any resources for it- What are some good dps trinkets for a prot warrior? If I'm doing something like tanking m+ and it's a bit lower than I normally do, or farming raid content and I want a bit more dps

Or am I better off making spec changes and compensating with defensiev trinkets?

[white stream]

hey, is the bastion of aspects relic trait better than ilvl and if so how much? I have a couple of relics which are an Ilvl upgrade but with suboptimal traits. The ones I'm using are with BiS traits (+armor/+block% or +IP/+block)

[timid jay]

Generally you never change you talents much

As long as you have t21 2p you'll always run deva/am/BV anyways so talent changes will bring you little to no dps. As for trinkets, the easily farmable ones are chronoshard and memento

The tanking pantheon trinket is quite good for damage as well with its high str and versa uptime

@white stream I'd rather have 900 ilvl relics with bastion than 985 without defensively

No question about it

[junior ivy]

whaaaaat

relaly cosmo?

bastion is that important?

[timid jay]

Yeah, I would never replace a bastion relic

[junior ivy]

i forget but what does bastion even do?

lol

[timid jay]

At least speaking from a defensive standpoint

Its 2% additional blocked damage

[junior ivy]

ah okay

[broken kite]

You block more damage

[junior ivy]

ive replaced a relic with bastion, for a relic 5 ilvls higher that didnt have bastion

...

and DEed the bastion one

or wait

they are destroyed

i knew i didnt have it anymore

[broken kite]

I would agree it's by far the best talent, however I wouldn't agree that an 85 (relic) ilvl difference is worth less

[timid jay]

Ilvl matters very little for survivability

The armor and stamina bonuses compared to bastion are extremely small

[white stream]

I have 1 with shit traits and its 13 weapon ilvl above my current one and at some point it kind of has to be better thats why im asking

[timid jay]

(Speaking weapons here)

I'm definitely in the camp that bastion is invaluable defensively

It reduces the damage you take by a huge amount

[junior ivy]

i currently have bastion on2 trinkets

i coulda had 3

i mean 2 relics

whats a good blood relic with bastion?

[timid jay]

Most of it is just farming relics and hoping NLC will give you one

Only bastion base relic that drops in Antorus is from kin'garoth and thats a iron one iirc

[white stream]

i think the only blood one is from kiljaeden

[timid jay]

only other from raid is the one from Kil'jaeden in tomb

[green isle]

like even a base 940 from m+ with bastion on the nlc will see you through until bfa

easily

[timid jay]

Im still running my 940 blood relic from KJ

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Got a iron relic with MoS and bastion, so thats highly unlikely to ever be replaced this expansion

[green isle]

7/7 bastion and revenge is the DREAM right there

[undone sun]

Still have a 930 fire

🤷

[timid jay]

The question is, how are your relics on your druid 😏

[white stream]

i have a 915 iron with bastion vs 960 with only dmg traits 😄

[undone sun]

I don't remember the ilevels but all thrash

All that matters

[magic rover]

sup fellow prots 😄

[warm plinth]

👋

[magic rover]

kinda happy with my own WA now :D, all I need to learn now is my freakin cds hahaha

[warm plinth]

@undone sun Still using an all sub-920 relics on druid, including an 890 life relic 😭

[compact geyser]

So, Bastion relics or bust? Literally ilvl doesnt matter?

[warm plinth]

Defensively, yes

[compact geyser]

for those relics?

[warm plinth]

Ideally (in a lot of people's opinions), Bastion+Revenge are the best relics

Guys I can't decide if I want to reroll my warrior as a HMT or a DID after expansion drops D:

[prisma crane]

that's a simple horde vs alliance question

[warm plinth]

It would be simple, except I already play both D:

[prisma crane]

lol

[compact geyser]

so, i need clarification please cause it's hard to fathom (not really but like, im just confused i guess)

[warm plinth]

Clarification is my middle name

[compact geyser]

a 900 BotA is > 985 non BotA

defensivley

[prisma crane]

bastion for purely surv purposes is only outclassed by another higher bastion, yes

[warm plinth]

Correct sir.

[prisma crane]

me personally, i would take the 985 unless it was total shit

but, again, if all you want to do is not die, take the bastion, all day

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I would take the 985 if it was that substantial of a difference lol

But that seems like an unlikely scenario to me

[magic rover]

what do you guys think about Helm + Gloves Leg combo?

sorry

Shoulder

[warm plinth]

Helm?

[magic rover]

Shoulder + Gloves

[warm plinth]

Shoulder doesn't have any benefit for DPS or defense

[prisma crane]

^

[magic rover]

should it be bracers then?

[warm plinth]

It's a novelty legendary, useful only in extreme kiting situations or for fun

[magic rover]

bracer + gloves?

[warm plinth]

That's a solid combo

[timid jay]

Bracers are by far the strongest leggo for survivability

[prisma crane]

gloves + bracer/belt is almost my only combos

[compact geyser]

I guess I need to ask a follow up. How bad is it that Idont have any BotA relics? I have 960, 965, 970 with a mix of defensive and offensive traits

[prisma crane]

for surv, you're missing out on a lot

[undone sun]

Not the end of the world

[prisma crane]

but, yes, not the end of the world

[merry cave]

@Cosmo#1069

[prisma crane]

that said, if you went from 4/7 to 7/7 you'd take literally half the dmg you do now from a crit block

meaning your IP is effectively twice as powerful too

[timid jay]

?

[prisma crane]

you'd also take almot 10% less dmg from all standard blocks

[compact geyser]

i feel so inept lol

[warm plinth]

Cosmo responds to tags that aren't even legitimate tags

[timid jay]

He even got the numbers right

[warm plinth]

Probably mobile lag

[timid jay]

@merry cave You wanted something?

[warm plinth]

Wow

What was that

XD

[timid jay]

Is it going well for you?

[warm plinth]

The fail is strong

[compact geyser]

kingaroth and kj thats it for BotA ? REEEE

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you're far more likely to get it via T3 roll

IIRC I believe I've seen it on a WQ relic too

[timid jay]

A lot of WQ relics in argus do have bastion

[prisma crane]

all iron afaik right?

[timid jay]

But yeah, NLC is your best bet

Iron and fire

[prisma crane]

oh yea

[magic rover]

AM or HR?

[prisma crane]

always AM

always

always

always

[magic rover]

nice 😄

[prisma crane]

i take that back, sometimes HR in pvp

[ember arrow]

i solotanked kj hc wit HR

fite me

[compact geyser]

that was pre t21 2pc no?

[magic rover]

lol

[prisma crane]

HR is literally only used at this point to cheese trivial solo tanking

[ember arrow]

solo vari

solo doggos

why HR in pvp

[green isle]

quick skirmishes in battlegrounds don't last long enough for you to get 2 uses of your defensive CDs out with AM

[prisma crane]

more burst with SS

[ember arrow]

who palys prot in pvp

[prisma crane]

not many, but it's possible

[ember arrow]

i thoguht u meant duels

[prisma crane]

no, instanced pvp

[green isle]

if you somehow get lumped into 2 tank CTF

[prisma crane]

in wpvp you'd go full pve build

[green isle]

warrior is the best escort spec in the game

[ember arrow]

pvp aka "oh whats that, ur trinks,m leggos, tier, doesnt work"

fun fun fun

[green isle]

perma 40% dr for a friendly with 90% dr for 2 seconds every 15 seconds

it's wild

[ember arrow]

unless they move outa the really small range

[green isle]

you can recast it

[ember arrow]

wud avatar be beter for burst on argus elites?

[warm plinth]

Avatar is what, 20% for 15 seconds?

[merry cave]

@timid jay no, no idea how I pocket tagged you sorry

[ember arrow]

20 sec

[green isle]

if the fight lasts longer than 40 seconds, which it will if you're soloing

then no

[warm plinth]

Eh, I can't see it. Maybe if there were others helping you, but if you were solo I think it's gonna be Renewed Fury

[green isle]

assuming 100% uptime RF

[ember arrow]

lets see

i got 3.2 mil ST burst for 6 sec

[warm plinth]

I mean, I always do WQGF for the rares anyway so

[ember arrow]

with avatar maybe can make it 4.something

[green isle]

argus rares have 100-150m hp

[warm plinth]

Or I use my warframe

[green isle]

the first 20 seconds is nothing compared to the grand scheme of the fight

[ember arrow]

btw worldcrusher

jsut did antorus normal on my 900 dk

ouch melee attacks

[warm plinth]

👌 No block sucks right?

[ember arrow]

jesus

to put it mildly

[warm plinth]

Once you get higher ilevel (more haste), it becomes a lot more tolerable because you'll just Death Strike and be full health again

[ember arrow]

garothi wit 2 stacks is like

hello there

[warm plinth]

Whereas at lower haste levels you don't always have a DS when you really want a DS

[ember arrow]

i got 19%

29 wit marrowrend

[warm plinth]

🤢

[ember arrow]

but ye 900 ilvl

[warm plinth]

I have like 52 with Marrowrend. It's glorious.

But I'm also 958

So

I was actually at 19-21% all the way up to like 943 equipped

That was shit

[ember arrow]

i feel so squishy

wit vamp blood its gloriouis

without not

[warm plinth]

lol, yeah but once you get some haste, you get vamp blood like 30-35 sec CD with red thirst

It's awesome

[ember arrow]

i went from 0% wit purgatory

too 100%

in 0.5 sec

that was nice

[warm plinth]

lol

[ember arrow]

imagine if LS did same thing as VB

increased healing taken

[prisma crane]

in a way, with bracers, it does

[green isle]

it increases your victory rush healing

so technically

[ember arrow]

not 55% more healing taken

[prisma crane]

um

[ember arrow]

that shit is epic

[prisma crane]

LS is 70% more hp

meaning 70% more healing from bracers

[ember arrow]

bracers

not from absorbs

not from healers

[prisma crane]

meaning 70% more healing from stones, and VR too, yea

btw, want me to blow your mind, indom for pvp too lol

though you can go deva, either is fine

[orchid sand]

I tanked a Arcway+2 on alt and during last phase last boss when everyone went to spirit world MY screen turned pink. Its never happened on main tank before . Does anyone know why ?

[ember arrow]

never heard of that one

[prisma crane]

sounds unrelated to tanking, and yea new to me 😦

[orchid sand]

i couldnt see

[ember arrow]

depends on class

u dont need to

[timid jay]

Did you remove your rose tinted glasses?

[orchid sand]

it felt like debuff

LOL

[ember arrow]

one thing i wonder about bfa

without bracers

will our survplummet?

i mean try progressing without them and with them

[green isle]

alpha

[orchid sand]

we will be on our toes even more reactivbe

[ember arrow]

wrists wont save from oneshots

thats not their purpose

i dont worry i will need to time

[undone sun]

Who knows, maybe they add a talent or baseline e but being alpha there's going to be a lot of changes

[ember arrow]

i know, but i mean

wrists are kinda a big deal to me

[undone sun]

🤷 I don't disagree, defensviely they're stupid strong but until it gets to beta/RC it's way too early to tell

[timid jay]

Hell, if theres something I want baseline. Its devastator or t21 2p

[ember arrow]

i want wrists baseline

[undone sun]

Yup

[ember arrow]

or belt

[timid jay]

Oh god belt is going away in BFA

NotLikeThis

[undone sun]

B&

[deft sapphire]

There’s a lot of things you don’t track that you’ll miss, like might of the vrykul too!

[ember arrow]

DS LASTS 8 SEC

NOOOOOOOOOO

[timid jay]

Bastion

[ember arrow]

AAAAAAAA

[timid jay]

😭

[deft sapphire]

Spell reflect traits hahahahaha

[ember arrow]

even my artifact tbh

for blockable stuff

[undone sun]

They better make gleaming scales and whatever the first SR trait is baseline

[ember arrow]

nah

reflect 1 spell

bears will get somethign like

regen 100% of dmg taken in past 5 minutes

i can see it coming

[deft sapphire]

If sr dr just dies after accidentally reflecting a spell in a dungeon or something

Jesus that will suck

[timid jay]

At least we dont have to worry about neltharions thunder

So thats nice I guess

[undone sun]

Yeh

[ember arrow]

what do u mean

[undone sun]

Spell reflect was only active until it reflected something until you got that trait, without the trait in BFA, it'll go back to how it was unless they change it baseline

[ember arrow]

removing artifacts basically makes most classes's expansion progress useless

[deft sapphire]

They’ll have to just choose what they put in baseline

I think spell reflect trait is a really good candidate for that but it’s upto blizz not me

[undone sun]

I agree

[magic rover]

most mythic tanks have gloves/belt D:

for DS uptime I guess

[deft sapphire]

Gloves belt is only required for dps parsing not progression

[magic rover]

oh

[vast sedge]

Tanks don’t Dd tanks tank

[magic rover]

what would you use for progression then

[vast sedge]

Prydaz voot

[undone sun]

bracers/gloves usually

unless running 6pc then bracers/twf

[green isle]

cozen pls

[vast sedge]

Move out of fire faster ♿

[undone sun]

used to be bracers/soul defensively but t21 dropped the value of vengeance significantly

[timid jay]

Boots shoulders BiS? Less time in fire

[magic rover]

twf?

[timid jay]

the walls fel

[undone sun]

the walls fell

[magic rover]

oh

[timid jay]

The shield slam/wall ring

[vast sedge]

Ignore me btw listen to the yellow

[green isle]

rip cozen's yellow

[undone sun]

yours too

[timid jay]

At least the Doyn is green in our hearts ❤

[green isle]

we're all yellow in our hearts

if you believe

you can become

[glacial sage]

How many people are in this discord? I see about 20,000 online at all times

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/VS0cZL9.png

[glacial sage]

jesus

[timid jay]

Wonder how many have 0 posts

[undone sun]

a lot

[pulsar mortar]

psst

can i have a help:'(

[glacial sage]

sure friendo

[pulsar mortar]

PM, if possible, to not spam lol

[grave grove]

dreamgrove has 90k 🤔

[timid jay]

This whole channel is bascially about helping people

[grave grove]

too many druids

[timid jay]

Wont be considered spam 👌

[pulsar mortar]

o okie

so, my guild and I did uhm Heroic portal keeper last night, and I am a warrior tank (of course), my guildies had just assisted me with talent edits & i had editted my bars to go with these changes. little rocky, I have more issue than most with changes like that so i was having a hard time but eventually could kind of get it. BUT, i for some reason kept dying about 50-40% boss health merely due to a hard hit. I'm 941 ilvl btw.

my guildy told me to use SHield Block 100% of the time, even if i wasnt active tanking (which reading the guides here say the opposite)

[timid jay]

You have any logs for us to take a look at?

And no, theres no reason to use shield block if you're not getting hit

[pulsar mortar]

hum.. lemme look at guild channel to see if they posted the logs.

ahh, okay. that';s what i thought and what my old guild told me.

[timid jay]

(Its a slight dps boost but I guess that isnt what you're looking for)

What talents did he tell you to use?

[pulsar mortar]

Well they told me to do it due to slight threat ripping issue but

[ember arrow]

i literally jsut did hc portal keeper

pug

[pulsar mortar]

i think i fixed that.

didn't have an issue with it last night.

[timid jay]

You ripping threat I hope?

[pulsar mortar]

No, the other tank ripping from me.

[ember arrow]

Skada: Damage taken for Portal Keeper Hasabel: 01:24 (5 Min 47 Sec):

1. Levay 310.81M (898305.6, 20.1%)
2. Dabi 94.25M (272390.2, 6.1%)
3. Wit 88.10M (255363.6, 5.7%)
4. Wlz 86.15M (248264.9, 5.6%)
5. Levko 82.73M (239094.5, 5.4%)

this is dmg profile of pug hc portal keeper

[timid jay]

That begs me to ask the question again, what talents did he tell you to use?

[pulsar mortar]

We dont have logs from last night - did not kill the boss.

was a bad night lol...

uhmmmmmmmm

[timid jay]

You can still log wipes, can be very helpful 😉

[pulsar mortar]

i asked them if they have them 😛

prolly not.

but like i said, i didnt have a ripping issue last night.

just.. a dying issue...

[timid jay]

Still, just telling me what talents you're running can help

[pulsar mortar]

which i guess was because i was using Shield Block for extra dmg not as active tank.

kay sec 😛

watching my mischevious ferrets so trying to juggle this while keeping them outta trouble rip.

so here it is

3
2
1
1
1
3

1

i believe thats it

;cant log on rn cus on a laptop not my desktop (':

[timid jay]

Well talents look correct at least

You have t21 2p?

[pulsar mortar]

i donntt think so

[royal cobalt]

Get it

Evern lfr

Even*

[pulsar mortar]

i have a 4 piece of something...

not sure what but they were from antorus i believe

me, a stupid noob

[timid jay]

Whats the set called?

[pulsar mortar]

dont laugh at me k

unsure ;_; cant log on.

my character has a special character so

[timid jay]

Could you type it out? Could see if I can dig out some logs and I might be able to help you better

[pulsar mortar]

will have to google it to look on the

yah lemme

[timid jay]

Can PM it to me if you dont want it here

[pulsar mortar]

google lol

[royal cobalt]

Here’s a better question

[pulsar mortar]

i have an escapee on my hands

[vast sedge]

BILLTHE MAN

Hell yea brother

[royal cobalt]

When you cast battle cry, do you notice whether shield slam is always available during battle cry?

Hi Cozen

[pulsar mortar]

yah

[royal cobalt]

Ok you have juggernaut then

[timid jay]

(thats t21)

[pulsar mortar]

thats the set i have?

o

[royal cobalt]

Yes

[pulsar mortar]

i have 4 piece of that

😛

[vast sedge]

😝

[green isle]

BROTHERMAN BILL

[timid jay]

Since you dont have logs, how does a normal opener look like for you when you start tanking a boss?

[pulsar mortar]

what do you mean?

like my rotation?

[timid jay]

Yeah, what cooldowns and abilites do you use at the start, and in what order

[pulsar mortar]

charge, thunderclap, shield slam, shield block. sometimes i swap shield slam and shield block placement cus i get overhwlemed LOL

i get overwhelmed by 4 butotns 😢

go me

[timid jay]

You do want to use shield block before shield slam, but thats mainly for a minor DPS increase

[pulsar mortar]

okay- only when actively tanking the boss though, yes?

[royal cobalt]

Ok if you don’t like buttons, make macros then

[timid jay]

If you're looking for DPS logs then it can be worth it while not actively tanking. But thats beside the point now

[pulsar mortar]

i use f1-f4 and 1-4 for my main stuff 😛

its not hard im just stupid

idc about DPS logs

i just want to live.

[vast sedge]

Yea

Living is tank main job

[pulsar mortar]

and not get threat ripped- which hasnt been an issue last night though.

[royal cobalt]

Do you have logs?

How often do you use last stand/shield wall

[vast sedge]

Make sure when you taunt you have a shield slam to hit during the taunt buff

[pulsar mortar]

no, they didn't post them last night and i don't keep my own.

[vast sedge]

It’ll help get you a buffer on threat

[pulsar mortar]

last stand is the bonus health increase right?

[royal cobalt]

Yes

[vast sedge]

Yea

[pulsar mortar]

if so, i use that when im about to die.

[vast sedge]

Big boy hp b00st

[royal cobalt]

Use it more often

[pulsar mortar]

shield wall.. what is that?

[timid jay]

Might be some older logs we can sift through if we know your characters name

[undone sun]

40% DR

[royal cobalt]

How long have you been playing war?

These are like standards

[pulsar mortar]

sinceeee. Wrath beginning

[royal cobalt]

Wtf lol

[pulsar mortar]

i started tanking last expansion and did awesome.

[ember arrow]

seriously

[pulsar mortar]

i took a year hiatus idk

[strong hill]

2 weeks before ZA opened up in BC, GIVE OR TAKE

[pulsar mortar]

i just got back to Leigon

2 months ago

[royal cobalt]

Ok are you spec’ed into demoralizing shout as well?

[ember arrow]

u need 1 hour to learn abilities

[vast sedge]

LOL

[ember arrow]

thne few days to elarn rotation

[pulsar mortar]

yah.

[royal cobalt]

Which legendaries are you using

For portal

[calm cove]

monkaS

[pulsar mortar]

lemme get my characters name for yah..

[timid jay]

For starters, with the current playstyle for prot warriors you want to be using battle cry and demoralizing shout on cooldown

And during battle cry you basically just spam Shield slam

And ignore pain just not to cap on rage

[royal cobalt]

Yes

[timid jay]

That should solve your threat issues at the very least

[pulsar mortar]

so im on Tichondrius and its either Kìlljoy or Kílljoy

[royal cobalt]

I’m on tichondrius as well

[pulsar mortar]

i use shout on cooldown yes

[timid jay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/tichondrius/kílljoy this you?

[pulsar mortar]

yah

thats my beautiful man

(':

doesnt show my gear

drats

i need to do that shit myself

😛

[timid jay]

It should update

Updated for me at least 👌

You only have the one legendary yet?

[pulsar mortar]

oh it did

i have two more

but

havent unlocked the second slot.

im almost there lol..

[royal cobalt]

I updated it

[timid jay]

Which ones do you have as well?

[pulsar mortar]

hng

i couldnt tell you- cannot log on on this computer & im watching my ferrets. i know i have some legendary boots

i can tell ya'll later

when i log on

[royal cobalt]

Aggramar’s

[timid jay]

Aight np

[royal cobalt]

What else

[pulsar mortar]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i wanna say.. a trinket..

or a ring

[royal cobalt]

Rofl

[timid jay]

You just changed talents for that attempt on portal keeper?

[royal cobalt]

If the ring def use that

Honestly for now switch with ring

[timid jay]

All the logs I find you're running different talents, might be able to gleam something from that anyway though

[pulsar mortar]

to be honest, i forgot talents existed LMAO i had levelling talents before that.

[green isle]

uh

[pulsar mortar]

guild poked me about it last night.

but that's right.

this is supposed to be a nice community don't laugh at me 😛

[stray wedge]

maybe go brush up on some basics first

[pulsar mortar]

i have little time LOL

[royal cobalt]

Ok if you’re experiencing spike damage

And you have the shield wall LEGO ring, that may help you

The wrist LEGO is more for sustained damage

[stray wedge]

none of this matters

[pulsar mortar]

wrist is my current equip?

[stray wedge]

compared to

not knowing what talents are

[royal cobalt]

Lol

Wrist current setup yes

[pulsar mortar]

okie.

[vast sedge]

Ok kenzer if big@dapper pond hitting you then shield block up, if block is up and you have extra rage use ignore pain

[pulsar mortar]

i'm just looking for help on my rotations & what not Mac 😦

[vast sedge]

Use shield slam as much as possible

You have 3 damage reduction cooldowns or abilities

[pulsar mortar]

i've done guide research today

[stray wedge]

yes but before that, you need to look at some basic stuff

[pulsar mortar]

before coming here

[vast sedge]

Demoralizing shout shield wall and nelths ruins fury

[pulsar mortar]

so i'm in tune with talents shit

[stray wedge]

If you forgot talents existed, I refuse to believe you looked at a guide

[pulsar mortar]

..i did today?

[royal cobalt]

How often do you use nelth fury? (Artifact)

[pulsar mortar]

hmm..

[vast sedge]

Last stand isn’t a damage reduction cooldown but it gives you BIG hp

[pulsar mortar]

when i know i dont have to move for anything & ive got rage saved up for some IP

[vast sedge]

So it’s a good cooldown

[pulsar mortar]

otherwise i barely touch it.

[stray wedge]

What do you mean, when you don't have to move

[vast sedge]

Spell reflect is 50% dr so it’s sick

[pulsar mortar]

like if there's no AOE i have to move from

[vast sedge]

They got a handy guide that shows what it works on

[stray wedge]

why can't you use ignore pain whilst moving?

[pulsar mortar]

they're talking about the articfact

[royal cobalt]

he’s talking about the artifact

[pulsar mortar]

as am i

[royal cobalt]

Not ignore pain

Are you familiar with secondary stat prioritization for port war?

Prot*

[pulsar mortar]

Haste then Vers

ya?

[stray wedge]

that's not comparatively important in the slightest

[pulsar mortar]

eh

Haste then Mastery

**

[royal cobalt]

Macrologia im asking him in general get off my ass

[ember arrow]

how about

a ban

🤔

[undone sun]

[stray wedge]

stats are something you should completely ignore whilst you focus on learning how to play

[royal cobalt]

For responding? Lol go ahead

[stray wedge]

What?

oh

[vast sedge]

NO

SONT BAN BILL

[stray wedge]

no i'm not going to ban you

[ember arrow]

Kappa

[timid jay]

@pulsar mortar Some things I found while looking at older logs at least is that you dont seem to prioritize shield slam

While Battle cry is up you have no cooldown on shield slam except the global cooldown and you should keep spamming shield slam, getting rage is one of the most important parts for our survivability

[pulsar mortar]

ah yes- i literally changed my talents last night

[timid jay]

Yeah, but that doesnt change that

[pulsar mortar]

to help shield slam be up a lot

[timid jay]

That bonus is from the tier set, that you had before

[pulsar mortar]

o. i thought I had prioritized it when it was up- i knew it was a super valuable skill!

i'll keep my eye on that though, if it appears i haven't been.

[timid jay]

Just an example

You use battlecry at around 6.5 seconds into the fight, it lasts for 5 seconds

[pulsar mortar]

mm okie

[timid jay]

So ideally it should be 5 seconds of only shield slam spam and ignore pain so you do cap on rage

Now that you are playing devastator though, having a good priority of skills will help you a lot

[pulsar mortar]

alright. ill be more focused on using it.

[timid jay]

Basically your number one important thing to do is keeping shield slam on cooldown, any defensive ability you have (except NF) isnt even on the global cooldown so you can safely keep generating more rage

More rage is more ignore pain and shorter cooldowns with anger management

[pulsar mortar]

okay. thank you for all your help, hopefully i can execute all of this correctly in quick time

[sullen steeple]

quick question what do i want to use as a neck enchant?

[timid jay]

Heavy hide for defense and hidden satyr for damage

[royal cobalt]

I switched from heavy hide to satyr after my current content was on farm

[timid jay]

@pulsar mortar As you said you probably already know it, but your % of blocked attacks is really low on some bosses

Especially for the big tank abilites that you really want to block

Its worht mentioning anyway since good shield block usage is very important for us

But read through the pinned guide, focus on your rotation and good shield block usage and you should be seeing a lot better results

[pulsar mortar]

okay! that's the plan 😉 thank you very much

i'll hope back here i suppose if i fail more.

[royal cobalt]

Rofl

You’ll be fine man

[crude pond]

Does it matter how far the 'on-tank' is from Aggramar?

[timid jay]

If you mean for the cleaving part of the ability, he just needs to be closest to the guy with threat afaik

[undone sun]

yup

[timid jay]

There is range on it but it shouldnt ever be a issue

[undone sun]

only really if you're positioning the boss, both tanks have to be near each other

have had it happen a couple times on some wipes, cotank didn't follow me close enough so our dps warrior's got flattened

[timid jay]

Should have used DBTS

[crude pond]

Oh so the important part is how far the off-tank is from on-tank, not from Aggramar, right?

[timid jay]

yes

[crude pond]

Then I shouldnt be on the back of Aggramar before the tesharak technic

[timid jay]

No, move one he starts casting the foe breaker

Dont want to give your co-tank the double hits

[crude pond]

Thanks. Totally thought wrorng 😂

[ember arrow]

doing vari hc

monk tank dies

resses

dies

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

[warm plinth]

lul. Poor lil monk

[ember arrow]

i use pants for alt tab gameplay

while other tank struggles

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can say magic mitigation this tier is somewhat unbalanced lol

[ember arrow]

aaand again

he gets slashed and slowly dies tostagger LUL

[undone sun]

not pausing stagger

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember arrow]

then they blame "tanks"

naaah bruh

monk sucks

[undone sun]

no

easily manageable when you pause stagger

[warm plinth]

Hey man

You can't die to stagger 😂

[ember arrow]

idk what he dies to i see im get hit to 20%

then hp goes down slowly

then dead

[warm plinth]

I'm just being stupid. Stagger can only take you to 1 HP. It's still basically dying from it; it's just that something else besides Stagger has to hit you for that 1 HP

[ember arrow]

the aura

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[ember arrow]

1 hp is as good as dying

[warm plinth]

It is. Like I said, just being stupid.

Though tbh, I've survived on my brewmaster a few times at 1 HP lol

Have that oh fuck moment and chi torpedo away before the next melee

[ember arrow]

when i went from 0 to 100 in .5 sec as i said

i was screamign whole time

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's terrifying sometimes lol

But it's crazy how stupid powerful it is

Basically immortal for the duration

[ember arrow]

i meant on dk

[warm plinth]

Yeah I know

I was referring to VB

[ember arrow]

i did tichondrius he did his 1B dmg to everyone

tank got 1B purgatory

had 2.8mil hps that fight

in NH mythic

tank didnt pick up an orb

they made it so purgatory has a max now i think

wasnt like that back then

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's 200% of max health

Most of the cheat death type things got that limit put on them

[ember arrow]

1 billion purgatory was fun though

big death strike

250mil

[warm plinth]

Does overhealing count for the heal absorb?

[ember arrow]

no it was his death strike

[warm plinth]

What

[ember arrow]

it was like 300 mil or 250

[warm plinth]

His death strike was 250 mil? 😂

[honest mantle]

My co-tank during ToV was a DH and we had one wipe where it was already called out for a wipe, and he got hit by a 5 stack of Odyn's mega aoe. He did like 80% of healing in that fight

[ember arrow]

healing

[warm plinth]

Jesus

[honest mantle]

Because of last resort

[warm plinth]

Lawl

[ember arrow]

world, he got hit 1bil

20% of that

[warm plinth]

Purgatory makes me nervous

[ember arrow]

with some bonuses

is 250 mil

[warm plinth]

I don't run it

[honest mantle]

I think they changed all cheat death mechanics to a max of 200% of your max health

[ember arrow]

its spooky how screen goes all black

[warm plinth]

Well the thing is that too many healers don't know they have to heal you after that (assuming you don't have a DS ready)

[honest mantle]

It should go spooky, the moment purg procs it's instant panic

[warm plinth]

So you end up dying a few seconds later anyway

I'd run it more if I was doing real keys with a static group probably

Last Resort is so freaking smooth that most of the time I don't even notice it procced

I just assume it was another random meta proc

Then I look at my debuffs and see that 8 minutes lol

[honest mantle]

Make a WA that tells you, when you get a LR proc?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that's probably not a bad idea

Just have big red letters saying you suck at the top of my screen or something

[honest mantle]

Or maybe just let LR icon plop up for a moment

[timid jay]

Or make it quit your game

[honest mantle]

"You suck" is never a lie ;p

[warm plinth]

Lol, weakaura that does /camp when LR procs

[ember arrow]

how does a warr die on 3 stacks on hc argus

[honest mantle]

Turn back on him

ez

[ember arrow]

on 3 stacks

im not even warmed up

[honest mantle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f7tGczjh2RvbqJ1x/#fight=10&type=auras&source=30&spells=debuffs&ability=258039

And the Scythe didn't even kill me

[prisma crane]

somebody went for 100% block

mastery*

[honest mantle]

I did ;p

[ember arrow]

i paly risky game

18 stacks

wit 60%

gotta pray to RNG gods

after 9 stacks i expected to die

for 9 stacks

no

if u dont critblock u get hit for 17 mil

if u do u get hit for 200k

thats my experience

[fallow knot]

3 stacks seems obnoxiously low to die to, was his shield block button broken maybe? haha

[honest mantle]

AM with 100% mastery is so incredibly dangerous on argus

[fallow knot]

you could have like 30% mastery and not die at 3 stacks even if you window lick your way there. wtf is wrong with that dude. was it phase 4 when everything is getting wonky maybe?

[honest mantle]

I have so little SB uptime, it is horrible

[ember arrow]

p4

[fallow knot]

ah yeah he probably turned his wheelchair around and got hit in the back. its my only thought. thats stupid lol

[vast sedge]

WINDOW LICK

LOL

[prisma crane]

👅

[hollow tundra]

Anyone here soaked 2nd bridge as a prot warrior on Imonar mythic?

[timid jay]

I'm doing that for us

[hollow tundra]

Do you clear the whole path?

Or do you devide it up?

I'm having issues staying alive once I'm across.

[timid jay]

I get boped at the start

Pop a skystep potion and sr

Around the midpoint I ls/sw and clear the rest

Leap back or portal and get inside a shaman ress totem

[grave grove]

🤔

[timid jay]

Mobile ok

I do die on the bridge because it's simply easier

[merry cave]

Sounds painful -_- that's our next boss

[timid jay]

It's not too bad

As long as the shaman ress totem is up it's fine

Would recommend having dh's do it instead if you have 2 though

[merry cave]

We only have one unless we get an alt in

[jade socket]

1 is ok

just need to be stingy with res and good with ankh

[timid jay]

Can always leave the dh dead

As long as it isn't the first clear

[merry cave]

You guys go war first rhen?

[timid jay]

Yeah, I take the first red bridge clear

Dh takes the second, ress him if we have a cr

[hollow tundra]

Cosmo

So there's not any way you can survive that? @timid jay

[junior ivy]

guy leaves group 3 bosses into arcway +16

ughhhhhhhh

just wasted like 30 mins i nthere i guess

[timid jay]

Might be possible, we've never bothered to try though

[hollow tundra]

I'm thinking about Smoldering

If i can use that after when I'm waiting for the raid to go across

Shouldn't Smoldering be an option then?@timid jay

[hallow phoenix]

Gonna be tanking mythic high command for the first time tonight

any tips?

[undone sun]

block exploit weakness, pop mines to keep the expired amount at a minimum but don't get too many stacks

[hollow tundra]

Or you could use a warlock to pop mines

Pop 2 'n 2

[hallow phoenix]

I've never popped mines before

Is there an optimal time to do that? And is it any old mines or just ones in the way

[undone sun]

we just do it when we aren't actively tanking and theres less than 3 stacks

[hallow phoenix]

expose weakness stacks?

[undone sun]

no, the mines
each time a mine explodes it puts a debuff on the raid, stacking

[hallow phoenix]

Oh i didnt see anything about stacking debuffs in the adventure guide

I"ll be sure to look out for that

I'm a bit torn between DMD:I and diima's for this fight. This will actually be my first mythic boss so the damage intake is not something im familiar with

So im considering using DMD just to smooth out damage overall

[warm plinth]

I think Diima's would be a good choice since you're not taking consistent damage unless there's something about mythic I don't know (possible) but Diima's would probably have decent use for add damage + the armor for 2nd expose weakness should make a big difference. Let one of the actual mythic raiders confirm that though, since I have zero experience.

Not sure if 2nd expose would line up with diima's or not

And expose is blockable so I imagine Nelth's would make it a joke anyway

Er, exploit

[hallow phoenix]

I hadn't really considered the extra add damage from Diimas

I'll give it a shot and try to line it up with second exploit weakness and see how it goes

Its a shame i cant run diimas and DMD

😕

[warm plinth]

Using pantheon in 2nd slot?

[hallow phoenix]

yeah

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's a bummer, but it's helpful for your raid! 🙃

[hallow phoenix]

When is my raid helpful to me though!?

[warm plinth]

When they proc that pantheon full heal when you're at max health, obviously

[hallow phoenix]

gotta top those overhealing charts

[warm plinth]

Damn straight

[junior ivy]

i got nothin to do in wow

[hallow phoenix]

level an alt

explore random zones

tank in grey gear

[junior ivy]

alt. meh. i dont do alts really 😦 i wanna do some achievem,ents i guess

[dusky mica]

time to raid mythic catfriend

[junior ivy]

if only i wasnt on the worst realm ever lol

[warm plinth]

When I have nothing to do on WoW, I get off WoW

[prisma crane]

transfer

of

off*

your

realm

and enjoy life

[warm plinth]

@junior ivy Go find a DHT or Seat key and get those out of times off of your page

[deft sapphire]

It’s better than mine, I still haven’t done a seat key since 7.3.2

[warm plinth]

I haven't done a seat key since...it existed 😄

I'm up to 3 runs on heroic though! 💪

[undone sun]

same

[prisma crane]

i actually like it

[deft sapphire]

The place isn’t as bad as people make it out to be for sure

I don’t like it though

[warm plinth]

It's not really that I'm scared of it or anything. I just do higher keys than I'm comfortable starting out at on that particular dungeon

And haven't really made a point to join something lower to try it out

I've watched enough tutorial videos and PoVs to know how to do it though, when the time comes lol

[junior ivy]

seat trash is scary but the bosses dont seem toooo bad as long as everyomne in your group isnt blind on last boss

[merry cave]

Some affixes make the second boss hell

Rest is fine post-nerfs

[deft sapphire]

just take boomkins and warlocks ;D

[ionic berry]

Any advice on tanking mythic fel-hounds?

[deft sapphire]

make sure you have block up for every maw

its magic damge, but its blockable

spell reflect also helps

[delicate urchin]

blockable magic dmg, whaaat

[grave grove]

i like seat bosses

some of the trash can be pretty annoying

[warm plinth]

I can imagine necrotic on 2nd boss to be pretty bad. I had pretty consistent melees on me even on heroic with only 2 of the bosses

[grave grove]

i guess

[deft sapphire]

@delicate urchin there have been other instances of blockable magic damage before like mistress eels

[prisma crane]

if you leap out you can drop stacks on second boss, but it's a pain

but really, on super high keys the last boss is terrible, and in rough keys the 3rd boss is rough to kill the 2 adds in time while also doing the tenticles

[jaunty canopy]

yeah once you get high enough you have to have someone save a cds for them but that can put you behind on tenticals

[prisma crane]

DKs make it a lot easier, can grip the two adds together at least

[jaunty canopy]

this is true, do knockbacks work on them? havent tested that but I knew the grips worked

[prisma crane]

oh, idk, it should work, so i guess a druid would be good too

[warm plinth]

Grips and knockbacks are the same immune class I think. So if you can grip it, you can knock it back

[jaunty canopy]

we had a priest healer the other day doing a high key and I wanted to test him using his knock back on me, knocking them back back like 20 yards lol

giving us more time to kill them

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah with that blast of light or whatever talent?

[prisma crane]

we use that on Aggramar lol

[warm plinth]

I saw a priest using that on Aggramar and I was like wtf, how did that DK just knock mobs back XD

[jaunty canopy]

yeah, we never got to try it tho, he was always to busy trying to not let people die

[warm plinth]

I didn't even know that talent existed

[jaunty canopy]

xD

[prisma crane]

me neither

[jaunty canopy]

But yeah id be curious to see if pulling it far away would make it take longer for the phase to happen

[prisma crane]

no

the boss is the one casting

they are just "channeling" the shield

[jaunty canopy]

ofc, but the adds make him immune :p after they run to him. unless they adds have unlim range, but just run for show

[prisma crane]

super range would make it interesting...

[jaunty canopy]

but in a fun cheesy world. the boss casts the spell anyways while the adds are running to the boss, and you kick before the shield 😛

HIGHLY doubt it but ya know

[prisma crane]

inb4 new MDI strat

[jaunty canopy]

man I really wanna make a team for it even if we dont get that far, I know a lot of decent plays that do m+ for fun now and then

[prisma crane]

it

[warm plinth]

There's more teams this time right?

[prisma crane]

it'd be neat to make it on the test realm

but you better be damn good to make it beyond that as a prot warr only

teams are going to be much more well prepared this time around

[jaunty canopy]

Im fury/prot in 20-23 keys pugging mostly

Think I could take it higher if I had a solid group but dont sadly

[sick sentinel]

protection warrior is it good for mythic plus and if bigger +15 keys is good?

[merry cave]

Anything can tank up to 20 without much hassles at least

[royal cobalt]

Prot war does fine @ +15

[undone sun]

any tank can do at least a 15, pushing more depends on the player than the class

[tawny lotus]

find your limits, most trash can be kited with a nice corruption slow ring

[hazy path]

Hey guys would [Fel-Oiled Infernal Machine] serve as a great "Stat stick"?

its on sue haste on a 1.15 timer

gives a shit ton fo haste can be timed durign BC

[jaunty canopy]

its good as a dps trinket, as it doesnt share cds with other trinkets

so you can stack trinkets with it

[warm plinth]

I mean, the on-use haste could be nice for BC, IF it gives you an extra GCD. Otherwise it's not any better than a stat stick, and frankly I'm not a fan of just stat use effects, so I'd probably use a stat stick over it.

[jaunty canopy]

I totally rock it with my jawbone 😛 25% increase dmg during the whole thing, mmm but I have a heroic version and thats it lol

or a diinerbell, be the same thing almost

[reef patrol]

I'd say spec matters more-so only after 21/22

iirc i went through the top raider io runs, saw the first warrior at rank 446 for tanks

[jaunty canopy]

even then every tank can do 24/25 but doing 24-28 is another ball game

[reef patrol]

has a 28 even been done yet?

i thought shakibs group capped out at 27

[tawny lotus]

taking a warr tank is giving up aoegrip leech or bops sacs hand of the protector or insane cc from dh

its hard to justify a warr tank when others are available

[reef patrol]

dh has good damage from spiritbomb too

[jaunty canopy]

warrior tank would be good on HoV as you tank the trash by kiting it xD

[reef patrol]

:/

[jaunty canopy]

and then safeguard for the hard boss machanics

The highest key a prot warrior has done is a 25 BRH

[wintry mist]

Do Prot warrior have any Netherlight String ?

[jaunty canopy]

dont think so, but the guide in the pins will give you some base numbers to compare with

and get a general understanding of it, and then take off what you want

def or attack

anyone know how long exactly you have to protect illidan in Cath at the end?

[sick sentinel]

its rng

depending on where shadow spawns

it can take 5 secs or 30 secs alsp

[rocky tiger]

So, having read the guides, got a question about haste and heavy repercussions vs t20x4+t21x2

Is it still worth trying for the 30% haste "breakpoint" if you aren't even going to be running heavy rep because of the set bonuses, and if not, does mastery become more powerful?

[jaunty canopy]

no im saying if its done perfectly how long does it last >.> I know the dungeon that much.. :p @sick sentinel

[warm plinth]

@rocky tiger Ignore the 30% "breakpoint" because it's not a thing anymore, even with Heavy Repercussions. The 100% uptime mark on HR is like 35-40%. That being said, Anger Management offers vastly more benefits because you don't actually need 100% uptime on Shield Block.

[rocky tiger]

Awesome. Is there a good range to shoot for or just keep with the haste->mastery priority?

[warm plinth]

ilevel>haste>mastery

[rocky tiger]

Except for the 4x t20 slots obviously

I'm only progressing through heroic antorus atm so likelihood of getting mythic level gear in those slots is low

[warm plinth]

How high is your T20?

Ah

[rocky tiger]

Don't have any atm

Going to go back and get some heroic tomb. Done though.

Mythic might be a struggle for my guild

[humble olive]

what gearsetups are you guys using for dmg?

mainly for m+ in the 10-15 range and nhc raid

[ripe cypress]

Str>mast>crit

Belt and hands

You have demo shout at least once every pack

You can sim it on raifbots too