protection

[junior ivy]

he does a thying that knocks me back

and whenever he does it

i get lost and have trouble recxovering

[warm plinth]

Landslide knocks you back. You intercept back in. That's the end of the mechanic.

[timid jay]

Thats the landslide (iirc molten crash if you dont have SB or SR up)

But yeah, basically what Crusher said

[junior ivy]

shoulkd i not hgave my back to the wall?

[timid jay]

Just spam intercept when you are in the air

[warm plinth]

Just have Shield Block up when you charge back in so you don't get knocked to Africa by Molten Crash

You don't need your back to the wall; Landslide is a very small knockback

And if you don't fuck up Molten Crash, you won't get knocked by it

[junior ivy]

k im gonna stop having back to wall

[timid jay]

I dont do that on warrior, I just angle the boss so he doesnt hit anyone else with any ability

[true bear]

if you have your back on the wall sometimes he knocks you up the wall

and he starts climbing and shit

it's awkward

[glacial sage]

jsut stand under the bones

you don't even move

[prisma crane]

@timid jay his perfect scenario was for the PK dot i believe, that or the imonar shrapnel

[junior ivy]

we just wiped at 0%

4th wipe

[warm plinth]

x_x

Why? What's killing people?

[junior ivy]

when you gotta hide behind thing

someone always dies

[warm plinth]

x_x

Do you have all melee or something?

[timid jay]

Uhm

[junior ivy]

usually the DH dies

[timid jay]

@prisma crane What?

[prisma crane]

thymes perfect SS of debuffs to compare stuff

[timid jay]

ooooooh

[warm plinth]

Tell him to stop tunneling lol

[timid jay]

You had me so confused there

[prisma crane]

yea im late to respond sometimes

lol

[undone sun]

yeah it was for reality tear

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/392423972064460801/unknown.png

[junior ivy]

i felt way safer and les panicked when i didnt have my back against wall

never doinb trhat again

[prisma crane]

it's easier if back on the wall

just make sure to move out of the fire

[warm plinth]

Idk. Never had a need to do that

[prisma crane]

dont need to, but it's cleaner

[warm plinth]

Also, @timid jay you don't have to charge in to prevent him from moving. He casts Molten Crash immediately after Landslide so he won't move anyway

[timid jay]

oh

m+ god btw

[prisma crane]

^ truth

[true bear]

^ can confirm as slow dk man he doesn't move more than a step

[warm plinth]

✊

[prisma crane]

lolol

[junior ivy]

disaster!

[warm plinth]

Your DPS know they need to the molten thing into the spikes right?

And actually kill them?

[junior ivy]

add didnt die that time

😦

[warm plinth]

need to kite*

[junior ivy]

i did more healing than healer too

[true bear]

tell the hunter and healer to stand right next to boss

so the first spikes spawn super close

[warm plinth]

to be fair, you should on that boss

[true bear]

get the add in asap

[warm plinth]

There's no damage unless you fuck up

[true bear]

you get 3 spikes total before magma wave

[junior ivy]

someone left.

😦

[true bear]

you only need 1

[junior ivy]

gonna try adnb 4 man it

and*

[warm plinth]

Not to be pessimistic but I'd be shocked if you got it since the adds are going to take longer to kill, especially if they're not kiting them into the spikes properly

[junior ivy]

we just 4 manned it

lmao

after like 5 wipes with 5 people

[warm plinth]

Wow

Nicely done

[junior ivy]

theyre sayin the DH was bad so maybe he was holding us back

[warm plinth]

Oh well, done is done ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior ivy]

never gonna find an orc DK :/

[warm plinth]

Why do you need an orc DK

[junior ivy]

stupid love fest achievement

[timid jay]

You have time to find one

[junior ivy]

i barely see any DKs around

[timid jay]

Look further back, they dont run fast

[warm plinth]

LOL

[grave grove]

😎

[junior ivy]

hahah

see this is where bein able to talk ot horde would come in handy

void elves have anb unfair advantage

[warm plinth]

couldn't DH already do that?

[junior ivy]

oh, maybe yeah

well thats unfair too 😦

i wish goblins spoke gnomish

[timid jay]

Actually, what is the goblin language called?

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure it's called Goblin

[timid jay]

Wow, thats boring

[junior ivy]

where do death knights spend their time

where do they hang out

theres none in dal!

[timid jay]

Acherus

[junior ivy]

can i go there?

[warm plinth]

You can go near there

[timid jay]

You'll get dragged away if you're not a dk

[warm plinth]

It's over Broken Shore

[junior ivy]

can i go see the newbie dks who are leveling up?

or is it phased?

[warm plinth]

No, it's phased

[junior ivy]

grr

[warm plinth]

Honestly your best bet is to hang out in Stormwind

Since that's where they go after finishing their intro shit

[timid jay]

Orc DK

stormwind

[warm plinth]

Oh

[timid jay]

[warm plinth]

Shhh

Go hang out in Orgrimmar 😉

[junior ivy]

lol omw to org now

but gonna do another m+ soon too

[warm plinth]

Wait, if you go to Orgrimmar on a PvE server, can they attack you or do you have to hit them first?

[timid jay]

They can attack you

Its only contested areas (yellow) where you can turn it off

And friendly ofc

[warm plinth]

But if a horde came to SW, they couldn't attack anyone there that didn't attack them first right?

[timid jay]

Oh yeah works that way

[warm plinth]

Dream achieved boys:

[timid jay]

Easy

[warm plinth]

Lol, there are little trees that spawn in one of the Argus invasions that give 75% haste

[timid jay]

Bonich?

[undone sun]

yeh

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[timid jay]

Damn I'm good 😎

[prisma crane]

OP OP

although

can get more haste in Sanguia

i've had over 220% there

[junior ivy]

see off topic for pic of my dog with his tongue out. just sayin.

[prisma crane]

lol

[junior ivy]

I GOT AN ORC DK

[prisma crane]

lol

im not doing orcs until they get the chiropractor

[warm plinth]

Spotify party in the mods section

[long bronze]

this question may be stupid af

but str gem or haste gem?

and in the same vein.... 100 haste 2 % ms cape or 200 str

[junior ivy]

yuo cxan only use 1 str gem right?

i always use 1 stre and rest haste

[long bronze]

yeah but is it worth it to use a str gem over a haste gem

[junior ivy]

no idea

i dunno stuff 😦

[undone sun]

yes, the str is worth using

@warm plinth lol

[magic rover]

what gcd addons do you guys use?

[warm plinth]

What's a GCD addon?

[stray wedge]

yeah..what?

[magic rover]

uhh a something that show your gcd. easily. rather than a normal gcd sweep on top of skill icons

specially if your using custom weak auras icons, it cant put an gcd sweep on top of the icons when its not a cooldown trigger

[stray wedge]

I don't know why you would want something that did that

GCD is both very short and regular

[magic rover]

tells you when you can use the next skill in your rotation rather than mashing the next button and getting it casted XD

[stray wedge]

having a 1.5s or less timer every time you press a button is not useful

[warm plinth]

You won't get as many casts in as much time if you try to do it that way because your reaction time will add up to a lot of missed GCDs

And you'll be staring at a 1.5 second timer

Instead of at mechanics

[magic rover]

hmm

true

its cool tho if my weak aura icons could show something like that D:

[warm plinth]

Holy glow batman

[magic rover]

it only glows when its suitable to use XD

also the icon doesnt show up when it should not be used XD

like the Ignore pain, it only shows up, when I have Vengeance: Ignore Pain and >= 39 rage lol

looks messy if all icons are up all time XD

Ignore Pain
    Vengeance: Ignore Pain Buff (True)
    Rage >= 39 (True)
    Ignore Pain Buff < 3s (True)
then show Ignore Pain Icon

something like that lol

[green isle]

WA has a toggle for gcd on spell cooldown icons

[magic rover]

yeah only on cooldown icons D:

[warm plinth]

Just out of curiosity, why do you have the Ignore Pain Buff < 3s thing in there?

[magic rover]

@warm plinth so uhm if it doesnt break I can still continue weaving

[warm plinth]

But why do you need that? You're either going to overwrite it or it'll be gone by the time you cast the next IP. It's a stacking buff. Guess I just don't understand why you would need it.

[magic rover]

didnt realized its a stacking buff D:

I thought it just resets the duration D:

god damn description doesnt say shit about stacking D:

had to test it myself haha, thanks @warm plinth

gotta cast it on cd + max efficiency then

[warm plinth]

Er, no problem*

[kind prairie]

Just tanked a +19 Seat. It was great until it wasn't. haha

[magic rover]

lol

[kind prairie]

first two bosses we one shot

2nd two were terrible.

[magic rover]

first time warrior btw lol, still learning XD

[kind prairie]

Welcome!

The prot warrior guide in #268491842637660160 is a really good place to start @deep blade

[undone sun]

eh, that one is still out of date

the one in the pins here is correct though

[magic rover]

thanks! haha, I learned a new thing from @warm plinth too 😄

btw, if I'm gonna cast revenge/ignore pain (weave) on every time the rage/vengeance allows it. I would have no rage to include shield block in the rotation?

I'm planning to go with almost 100% SB uptime with SB -> NF > SB

if thats even possible.

[undone sun]

overall uptime, it's not possible regardless of what you use unless you pick HR with ~40% haste but that's not a thing and it's not something to worry about

since SS has top prioirty and doesn't affect the vengeance weave you don't have to only press IP>Rev>IP>etc. integrate SS and TC in the rotation and you'll have plenty of rage

along with RFDT there's no such thing as not enough rage for SB

[magic rover]

what I'm thinking to conserve a bit of rage for SB is, cast reduced Revenge (Vengeanced Buff) when the Rev Vengeance buff duration falls down < 5s

pretty sure I'll be refreshing with Free Rev > IP Weave

[fair sky]

Should folks level their cooking skill? If so, what is the best food for tanks?

[magic rover]

so it's gonna be rare to even use it with reduced rage.

rev that is

[undone sun]

stregnth feast > Azsharai salad > stam feast @fair sky

whatever the name of the feast is, just to get the best benefit eat it in dps spec

[magic rover]

so this what I'm doing right now

Cast SS on CD
Cast TC on CD
cast IP on 20 rage just to start the weaving (unless free Rev procced then cast Rev first for V:IP to start the weaving)
cast Rev on Free Proc (proc V:IP)
cast IP on V:IP + >= 39 Rage (proc V:Rev)
cast SB when I have 2 charges
cast NF when I have < 2 SB charges and SB Buff is missing (SB gap / downtime filler)
cast Devastate when there's nothing else

what do you guys think?

[undone sun]

cast devastate
are you using indom

[magic rover]

yes

[undone sun]

dont

[magic rover]

ugh

+20% HP?

[undone sun]

and?

devastator is by far better defensively and offensively

[magic rover]

not sure, feels like more of a tanking talent XD

[undone sun]

provides a much higher EHP than indom does

hp doesn't define a tank

[magic rover]

I actually played devastator while I'm leveling and it felt like, I generate more rage and sometimes I'm even at max rage lol

yeah seems like a better talent

[warm plinth]

When the fuck did Shade start casting missiles on random targets

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[magic rover]

kk gonna switch to devastator as soon as I get to a safe place

thanks for the tip 😄

I already feels like a better warrior just by chatting here in warrior discord lol 😄

I'm doing too much error by doing things myself XD

[honest mantle]

@warm plinth might happen on a pre-pull

[warm plinth]

It was right in the middle of the fight

[deft sapphire]

It shouldn’t happen unles someone else taunted or you died and lost threat

[warm plinth]

I was DPSing on my windwalker. So guessing maybe I peeled? I definitely didn't taunt D:

[deft sapphire]

To take threat off a tank on non-skittish you have to be doing 10x their dps which seems unlikely

Unless the tank melded or something dumb

[hazy path]

Hey guys can we solo mythic blackhand now? as like 968 prot?

[last loom]

been struggling too find wa'

wa's that suits my needs, i primarily need to track shieldslam procs revenge cooldown and my rage anyone that has a slick wa for those kind of stuff?

[magic rover]

made my own wa icons XD

with triggers only lol

[visual plume]

Wait you need a WA for SS resets?

[magic rover]

SS on cd goes with procs as well, just make an SS icon with action usable trigger. it'll pop up every time SS is available.

[last loom]

why wouldnt i need one?

[magic rover]

SS on CD (+ Procs)

SS Icon
    Triggers 1
        Action Usable

[visual plume]

Just now sure how your UI is setup that it wouldn't show if it was off cooldown

[last loom]

well i dont wanna stare at my bars when playing

[visual plume]

I mean, I guess I can see that

[honest mantle]

@hazy path If you can get past Blast Furnace, you will be able to kill BH easily

[warm plinth]

Blast Furnace was the one where they made it so you don't need the mind control anymore right?

[stray wedge]

Yes

[honest mantle]

But it still takes about 12 minutes

More if you don't deal 1m+ DPS or fail to interrupt the engineers

[magic rover]

@last loom I'm uploading a short clip of how my own WA works, watch it, maybe it suits your needs.

ah here it is @last loom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pisdt-UMPEE

it's not yet complete, still improving it as I learn to be a proper warrior lol

[small jackal]

So I'm going to have to off tank varimathas...only prot legendaries I have would be mannaroths, prydaz, crafted belt, soul ring. Best options going to be soul + prydaz? Also, you guys still using 4p/2p? I have mostly mythic tier 21 and heroic tier 20.

guess i shouldnt say off tank...but third tank

[undone sun]

if those are your only options, yeah much better than rethu's

[small jackal]

thanks

still 4p t20 2p t21?

[undone sun]

pretty much just take highest ilevel after t21 2pc, the tier combo isn't needed considering that job isn't threatening in the slightest for survivability

just need a SR for every add spawn and you're fine

[small jackal]

ok great, thanks

[last loom]

skorchz i think the icons are too small for me

i woudlnt notice them barely

thx anyway

[wraith timber]

how is highmountain racial compared to normal tauren?

[undone sun]

defensively likely better, the verse and flat dr is pretty strong and the DR will scale better once BFA goes live

[magic rover]

@last loom icons size can be changed anyway as with any wa icons 😄

[slate obsidian]

on Medivh, do I need to have SR active when his channel ends to stop the dot from being applied?

not dot, umm the stackthing

[undone sun]

debuff, and i think it's applied as soon as you reflect it

[warm plinth]

The debuff happens at the end of the cast, so you can't reflect it unless you reflect the last tick of his cast.

That being said, it's not a 5 second channel so if you SR at the beginning it'll still be up for the debuff

[undone sun]

right, looked at the timestamps

it's when he finishes it

so essentially just don't precast it

[broken kite]

@magic rover I'd remove the swing timer

I'd also use devestator

[slate obsidian]

well can't really precast it anyways as it's not on a fixxed timer, right? 😄

[magic rover]

@broken kite yeah I kinda removed my GCD timer, also went devastator. 😄

[broken kite]

good call 😄

I know it's unrelated to your w/a set, but i'd also make your own health more prominent

personal taste tho

[warm plinth]

GF is about to tank her second mythic+ ever and we made her go from a +2 to a +7 XD

She's 880 ilevel

[slate obsidian]

can you still avoid shared suffering from attumen by leaping out a second early?

[warm plinth]

Yes, but he will still sometimes cast it again @slate obsidian You can also intercept a party member to get out of it

[slate obsidian]

just noticed, he'll start the cast again, but the phase ends before he finishes the second cast, kinda weird

[humble monolith]

Hey guys, Is there any good hi level m+ prot warrior streams ?

[sick sentinel]

@humble monolith twitch.tv/domnusblade

was recommended here earlier for pushin highkeys frequently. Maybe some other streams out there. Im not a twitcher🙂 ✌

@warm plinth wait..cheesing suffering soaks works?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

Cant wait to fail that one!😂

[warm plinth]

Just leap/intercept out at .2-.3 seconds but your group has to know you're doing it or whoever is left in it wil die

And he does sometimes cast it again, so you may have to do it 2-3 times before he gets back on Midnight

[sick sentinel]

Yeye got it thx 👌

[crude pond]

Is 4pc2pc STILL better when I can use mythic t21 4pc? Ofc t20 4pc are mythic too.

[candid vine]

yeah u can leap out of it

I heard at a certain ilvl the T21 gets better

mythic t21 level matches the 4+2

healing wise

Of course then you don't get a crazily reduced cooldown on shield wall

[prisma crane]

well, most of the SW crazy CD is TWF

you get pretty good rage gen with gloves over TWF

so teh CDR isnt way off

the*

but yea, that's bascially the main diff

[crude pond]

No need for Mannoroth?

[undone sun]

gloves instead of TWF, Bracers are still bis defensively for 99% of situationas

[crude pond]

Then I won't have to spend time and gold for t20 mythic. Yay

I mean t20 mythic + titanforge

[thorn kelp]

hey guys, going to level my warrior up the coming days and was just wondering how prot is at doing that? Currently sitting at lvl 21, so going from there

Considering the new adjustments made to leveling etc.

[undone sun]

fine really, while questing you can pull a bunch without worry of dying and quick queues into instances

[sick sentinel]

For leveling purpose prot is totally fine.. like all tanks u can bigpull openworld mobs easy and once u hit Tool the instantinvites are DROPPIN!:heart_eyes:

[thorn kelp]

Cool, was just fearing it would be a bit "slow"

I'll give it a shot, thanks!

[sick sentinel]

@ lvl 110 u gonna be a bit fcked up till u sharpen up ur gameplay and get ur hands on t21 2p

[warm plinth]

I don't have 2pc T21 and I'm alright

[thorn kelp]

hopefully 880 unsullied gear will go a long way?

[sick sentinel]

After that u gonna be a Monster!:grin:

[thorn kelp]

what's the 2p on the latest tier?

if you dont mind me asking

[sick sentinel]

It has pretty huge impact on ST dmg./ragegain...its Shieldslam spam during Battlecry

Yea...but u are crushin worlds anyway arent u @warm plinth?

No matter the tier😁

[warm plinth]

Haha, something like that.

[prisma crane]

that cradle and helm though lol

[reef patrol]

955 cradle jeez

[tawny crown]

i was linking for the 50% haste lol

[prisma crane]

yea, so far my best is 55%, i cant seem to beat that threshold

though you could easily improve with different gloves on

[jade tartan]

4piece isnt worth it right?

t21

or what is the current best setup for warrior?

[delicate urchin]

i recomend 4t21 only on m+ trash

[kindred yacht]

how much ilvl is it worth running 4set t20 you think?

just returned to my prot warrior and i have like 900 and 915 pieces

[delicate urchin]

for surv it is big ilvl worth maybe 40+ ilvl each peace(no one can tell correct) , but if u dont want do 25+ keys and mythic raid last boses, i go 2t21 and highest ilvl

[kindred yacht]

i better do some Mythic ToS it sounds like

[sudden drum]

If we run 4pc T20 and 2pc T21, will the legendaries we use be waist and wrist?

[timid jay]

TWF/bracers for ST

belt+bracers for aoe

[sudden drum]

👌🏻

[quiet delta]

anyone got a wa for renewed fury so i can optimize my dps?

[soft condor]

new -> icon -> trigger: aura = renewed fury, done friend

[fair sky]

Morning

[timid jay]

👋

[fair sky]

So what is that beihler? That is a new macro for what now?

Sorry, new here: @soft condor , what is the macro for?

[soft condor]

It's a recipe for a renewed fury weak aura, step by step

click "new" and "icon", add name or not -> switch to "trigger" and insert "renewed fury" into the aura part, done

[fair sky]

Oh weak aura is a type of addon?

[soft condor]

Yes, WeakAuras is probably the most usefull addon in all of wow

[fair sky]

I will download it. Do I add it like any other addon? I see WeakAuras 2, is that fine?

[soft condor]

yes, that's the correct one

[gloomy light]

would you change a 955 haste vers neck for a 985 crit mastery?

[soft condor]

but you'll need some actual weakauras to use with the addon, but you can make them in game

[fair sky]

@soft condor , okay great.

I have one already to start with provided by you 😃

[surreal hearth]

Ok i picked Terminus Signaling Beacon in raid since noone wanted it. Been playing around with a bit and it seems (as someone hinted eariler) that you get the full effect even as tank (possibly because its not classed as a melee trinket). I made a trinket switch/use macro and paired it with moonglaives. I made a macro that will use trinket slot 13 and with shift click i can do a trinket switch.

[soft condor]

That's indeed interesting

[fair sky]

@surreal hearth I hear you guys talking about this stuff and think to myself, I still have to level my damn cooking skill. You guys are lightyears ahead.

[soft condor]

@gloomy light i would on content that kills me fast, for the hp. But i can't tell you how it changes rage gain / dps / hps and stuff over a longer fight. But sometimes you just need more hp

And then i'd be too lazy to switch back, because i wouldn't know on what to base the decision, so i'd probably just stick with the ilvl

[surreal hearth]

@fair sky Hehe, i dont do very high keys so survivability isnt much of an issue, dpswhoring brings some spice into it

[sick sentinel]

Do yall track concordance to know when you can stack IP higher?

[surreal hearth]

Nope, with t21 2p i dump rage into ip all the time regardless

[sick sentinel]

Just feels like it's wasted sometimes :p

[surreal hearth]

Know what you mean, kinda annoying to see a 6 mil shield turn into a 4 mil one (i'm talking about dragon scales btw if thats what you mean)

[soft condor]

I track concordance a bit off the eye's focus targets so i can check if i feel i can afford to check

i'd love i you could track wasted shield. I belief it is not kept as overhealing, if you refresh around the cap

[sick sentinel]

I think i'll stack it on my Dragon Scales WA, and just set the strata to under it

[compact geyser]

I find that it's hard to hold the rage and you mostly don't want to. You want to spend it to get BC, DS, SW, LS back up. There are times where I get a good proc and have like a 9-10 mil IP. I swap to casting Revenge on CD and only go IP if I'll cap rage.

I'm far and away from being decent being at this class, but that has seemed to work for me. Especially on a fight like M Kin'garoth.

[soft condor]

yes, when i would be wasting ip i'd much rather dump rage into revenge, and that's were concordance tracking helps

as it tells you how long you have to refresh or upgrade your ip before concordance runs out

but it's pretty niche, so don't waste the most precious screen real estate on it

[patent pasture]

Evening all, got a quick question im Using Aggramars Conviction and Apocolypse drive at the moment for raid tanking, heading into mythic Imonar would Dimas Glacial Aegis be better for me in the long run?

Hc versin of it

[fair sky]

Dumb question, does shield block stack?

[soft condor]

it stacks in duration

from that list i'd go with diimas for more readily available and probably higher impact cooldown

[sick sentinel]

what is best t21 4set or tier21 2 set and 20 5set

[white goblet]

im using t20 4p + t21 2p

works pretty well, low cds on everything, huge self survi + decent dps output

[dawn remnant]

i am about to switch over from 2pc 20 + 2pc 21 to 4 pc 21

[white goblet]

what does 4p t21 do? cant remember

[dawn remnant]

adds some ip on a existing ip evertime you block 1 sec cd

[glacial sage]

When you block it gives you more ip

not really useful

not enough ip to be better than t20 4pc

[dawn remnant]

yeah but at some point youre t20 is gonna be low in ilvl and its better to pick up some higher ilvl gear fro better survivabilty

[white goblet]

it might be decent for m+

but for raiding i dont think it'd do good

i think it's ok to have t20 with 915-920 ilvls

[glacial sage]

What point would that be?

[white goblet]

good enough

[glacial sage]

yeah, full heroic is perfectly fine

[dawn remnant]

yes but i am able to pick up pieces that are 40 ilvl's above that at least

if its none tf

[glacial sage]

honestly, I'd still go with t20 4pc

It's worth so many ilvls

[white goblet]

it generates so much rage (more ip that is)

huge survivability

[glacial sage]

exactly

[turbid horizon]

I find 2p2p works really solid for me

[glacial sage]

If you don't feel you need the extra rage thats fine

I run that in many situations aswell

[dawn remnant]

i mostly run 2p2p myself but as of late i am able to survive just fine

[turbid horizon]

Most of the time I dont need the extra rage since you end up generating so much from t21/booming voice anyway

[glacial sage]

zero, feel free to run that. But when you do content that you're taking insane damage in, 4pc is very very useful

[dawn remnant]

also my raid team doesnt help me do fear on dogs so i can't make good use of the 2 piece form t20 sadly

[glacial sage]

why can't you?

[white goblet]

thats the only boss on which u cant really spam berserker rage

but on every other, its all good

[glacial sage]

just don't use it if you're close to the fear

[white goblet]

if u've t20 4p then u kinda can use it for rage

it can get to really low cd with 4p

[glacial sage]

Yeah, just don't use it within 20 r so seconds

[dawn remnant]

i still would rather run 2p2p but yeha thats what i like to use and i get if people would go for 4p 2p

[timid jay]

Tbh, I see no point in running 2p2p

Either you use the combo or you go for t21 4p

[dawn remnant]

i see alot of people going 2p2p on wacraftlogs tho

[timid jay]

Its good for damage if you have high ilvl t20

[glacial sage]

I think 2p2p is fine, you may not have beserker rage up constantly but you still get that extra rage every 45 seconds

[white goblet]

which trinkets do u use guys?

recently i got Aggramar's Conviction, checking logs it has ~26% uptime

dunno if its worth using

[soft condor]

it's for your raid, not for yourself

[white goblet]

how is it not for me? am i reading it wrong?

[soft condor]

aside from that for general use i run eye of (fharg) and shivermaw's with the others on specific situations

[timid jay]

The whole point of the tier combo is the synergy between t21 2p and t20 4p

Kinda makes it a moot point if you drop 20 4p

[glacial sage]

I run arcano and aggramar

[timid jay]

at least defensively

[white goblet]

"Equip: Taking damage has a chance to increase your versality by 4436 for 14s" its not for raid @soft condor

[timid jay]

The empowerement

is for your raid

[soft condor]

You use it for the chance of empowering your raid, yes. The personal effect is so so

But it enables a lot more raid dps, because you need 4 different proccs at once in the raid. And yours helps a lot

[glacial sage]

How does it affect the raid?

[white goblet]

so if i use this trinket it gives me bonus hp + heals me to full, but where is the raid empower?

[timid jay]

http://www.wowhead.com/news=277048/everything-we-know-about-the-antorus-pantheon-trinkets

Read this, It'll make it easier to understand

[white goblet]

ok, that cleared everything out

will be hard to proc it in my guild tho 😄

[glacial sage]

Living the dream

[sick sentinel]

is dargrul still flying from SR?

[fair sky]

Still rather new to WoW (I haven't played in years until just recently) - why do we get so much artifact power? I have billions, and all of my points are ticked. What is the point of getting more?

[sick sentinel]

you unlock more slots as you progress

[glacial sage]

what is your level now

[fair sky]

I have all of the slots unlocked and fully stacked.

110

[glacial sage]

your ap level

artifact power level

[fair sky]

oh, 54

[glacial sage]

You can get it higher, I'm at 78 for example

[fair sky]

I was going to take a screen shot and share

[timid jay]

The main reason is the netherlight crucible, it'll give you bonuses up to 75 traits

[glacial sage]

and more stacks on concordance

[timid jay]

Higher than 75 traits is just a very minor bonus, and it just something in there to keep the AP you get somehwat relevant

[glacial sage]

can you take a picture of your artifact weapon?

[timid jay]

But once you reach 75 traits, I'd suggest you start uptting it into other weapons

[fair sky]

Yea, new to discord too, do they have a built in tool for screen shots?

[glacial sage]

you can copy and paste into it

[timid jay]

You can upload images directly to the caht

http://www.wowhead.com/netherlight-crucible-guide
heres a guide explaining the crucible at least

[fair sky]

My Artifact Shit

[timid jay]

yeah, at that point its only for higher concordance

Which will help you with the crucible, read through the guide if you dont know what it is

[fair sky]

I will read through it. Big thanks for everyones help.

[timid jay]

👍

[sick sentinel]

so havent done nelth in a while since 3.5. laucnhed, is dargrul still flying away with SR or changed back to normal?

[timid jay]

Belive it was fixed

[soft condor]

He didn't fly when i did him last time

[sick sentinel]

thx, abot to start one now 😃

[glacial sage]

you cvan just stand under the bones

you don't move

[fair sky]

What item level should I be before attmepting a mythinc dungeon?

[sick sentinel]

a mythic 0

or what level

I have tanked +9s on my dk when he was 890

[fair sky]

mythic 0

Just getting back into WoW so

Okay I have an item level of 873

[timid jay]

Seeing as it drops 885, somehwere around 870 should be more than fine

Problem is just getting groups at that ilvl

[prisma crane]

i'd just start your own groups or work on the argus quest lines and get the relinquished gear, you'll gear up in no time!

[delicate urchin]

is it ok, that armory on wowprogress dont want update?

[umbral citrus]

hi there, is there a trick to get the secret skin or I am just unlucky?=

[kind prairie]

Just unlucky. Check every gold pile.

Is there a way to see how much damage the highmountain racial Rugged Tenacity has mitigated?

[topaz sparrow]

Can i get some professional help with a relic?

I have a fire relic with revenge + Bastion ilvl 955, and I have a fire relic ilvl 985 with the following

[timid jay]

It has no bastion so its garbage for survivability

[topaz sparrow]

Guess it goes in the bin then

Thanks Cosmo

[ember arrow]

huh

LS relic is pretty good

trait

[wicked vault]

how is the T21 4p for raiding? and for m+?

[topaz sparrow]

@ember arrow its already been slotted into fury weapon, it has unrivaled strength in t3

[prisma crane]

@wicked vault it's good for both

but stronger in M+

[glacial sage]

When you only have one npc hitting you you don't get much use out of it, but in M+, especially for teeming, you get alot out of it

[ember arrow]

u always get alot out of it whne u get meleed once every sec

with 2 mobs thats possible already

[jaunty canopy]

yeah the cd on it makes it cap out in cavlue on any low target cleave situation sadly

be nice if it scaled slightly more

[ember arrow]

huh wtf y is BFA pre purchase only in USD

[hallow phoenix]

Master currency

[ember arrow]

riight

[hallow phoenix]

:P

[ember arrow]

digital deluxe seems not worth 20 bucksm ore

esp if u get shit for games u dont play

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah I passed on it

Essentially 20 bucks for a mount

[twin hazel]

is the highmountain tauren damage reduction any good max level?

[ember arrow]

any DR is good

[twin hazel]

was just curious what it was at max level

[ember arrow]

advanced tip: especially on tank clases

even 1% DR vs EVERYTHING is good

i mean its 2% vers worth of DR

[twin hazel]

they have the other passive that reduces damage taken by # not just the versatility racial

[ember arrow]

exactly

so 1% vers is 0.5% DR

thats even more

330 doenst soumnd like much but remember they will squish the numbers

in BFA

[twin hazel]

as well as the racial most likely

[jaunty canopy]

the other dmg reduction racial is scaled off stam..

so in BFA its gana be reduced just as much

[twin hazel]

so its 330 at max level?

[ember arrow]

idk

[twin hazel]

thats what i meant to ask is how much is it at max level

found it on wowhead

[jaunty canopy]

2500-3000 for the avg players

[twin hazel]

char level * 3

[jaunty canopy]

its not based off char level

[twin hazel]

okay so the tooltip is right on wowhead

stamina * .0003 * 60

[jaunty canopy]

so unless hp/dmg taken ratios are changed, or it scales better, it doesnt really mean much as a racial

with my 10m hp, the racial does 3k dmg reductin, 0.03% of your hp

[ember arrow]

10 mil?

u wont have millions on bfa

from what i seen on early footage

[jaunty canopy]

but it scales off STAM

is the point im making, it needs to be rescaled probably

and im sure it will be, well hopefully xD

[wicked vault]

it's meant to be a trivial bonus

[deft sapphire]

Blizzard would prefer if racial abilities didn’t exist for balance reasons so it makes sense that it’s trivial

[ember arrow]

• COUGHHHGHGFHGHGFHGH* ARCANE TORRENT

[deft sapphire]

i'm not saying theyve done it right so far haha

[jaunty canopy]

its fine its not op ahem arcane torrent, but id like it to at least mean something xD not that im ever gana race change to it, im more than happen with my regular cow racials

2% crit dmg for fury, free stamflask, helps from being one shot in m+ as a tank and as fury and warstomp, mini stun

[ember arrow]

why did sylvanas get clothes to cover her up

shedidnt in wod

🤔

[deft sapphire]

she's older now, that was a phase

[ember arrow]

tauren bonus is less than stam flasjk

[jaunty canopy]

your right, its 1300 vs 1900

or something like that, still decent

[deft sapphire]

i haven't used stam flask as tank in an extremely long time regardless lol

[ember arrow]

k bought BFA

same mgll

pandaren bonus from cooking is really good too

[deft sapphire]

in m+ and stuff generally if i die its cause i fucked up not cause i dont have enough health, or at least thats how i like to think about it

[jaunty canopy]

Ive used it in somehigher keys, where the boss skills were doing like 11m a hit, just to be safe but yeah I usually dont much either

[ember arrow]

nightborne or secodn tauren?

i think i go for second tauren

[deft sapphire]

"an illusion, what are you hiding"

[ember arrow]

but tauren got awesome horns

[jaunty canopy]

like 2nd boss in nelths does his tank thing every 6-10 sec lol

[ember arrow]

pants, reaact fast

ez

[deft sapphire]

i like regular cows far more than highmountain tauren

[ember arrow]

use cds when out of SR

[jaunty canopy]

I do xD

[ember arrow]

he didnt oneshot me on +22

[timid jay]

Highmountain druid forms though mgll

[deft sapphire]

i dont tank nelths on my warrior its far too stressful

[ember arrow]

NL is liek

easiest dungeon

for us

[deft sapphire]

lol yeah thats true

[ember arrow]

maybe votw is easier

blockfiesta votw

[deft sapphire]

i dont play horde anyway though

[jaunty canopy]

was it a tyranical 22? xD

[ember arrow]

tyranical

[timid jay]

Alliance scum

[deft sapphire]

idk the best tank dungeon for prot is upper kara

[jaunty canopy]

it only one shot me if i get autoed right before and he ate my ignorepain shield

[deft sapphire]

maybe seat but idk exactly all the things that are reflectable

[jaunty canopy]

and upper kara hands down our best xD

[timid jay]

Upper kara with DH's or boomies

[warm plinth]

Or Arcane mage

[ember arrow]

did someone say

IP?

[timid jay]

Who plays arcane though

[deft sapphire]

memes

[warm plinth]

Who plays havoc in high keys?

🤔

[deft sapphire]

havoc is better than arcane

[warm plinth]

I'll give you that

[deft sapphire]

but any dh would just play vengeance i suippose

[timid jay]

Who plays prot warrior in high keys

[warm plinth]

But both are pretty rare

Lol, touche

[ember arrow]

i do

[warm plinth]

Lev, create the Upper Kara meme team

Prot war, 2 havoc DH and a boomkin and throw in a resto druid for good measure

[deft sapphire]

the only ultra high key prot is good for is upper kara

[warm plinth]

And let us know how long shade took to die

[deft sapphire]

even then prot paladins might be better cause they can immune mana dev orbs as well

and shield interrupts

[warm plinth]

DK can AMS the orbs as well, but pally has those interrupts yeah

[ember arrow]

bosses shud not be silenceable

makes not sense

no

[warm plinth]

Hmm, can stoneform remove orb DoT? 🤔

[deft sapphire]

no its a magic dot not a bleed

[warm plinth]

Stoneform removes magic too

[deft sapphire]

o rly? hmmmm

i thought it was only bleed

[warm plinth]

Magic, bleed, poison and disease iirc

Curse is the only thing it doesn't work on

Going to test this shit right now

[deft sapphire]

maybe, test it out if you're a dwarf then

[warm plinth]

I know you're waiting with bated breath. I'll try to hurry XD

[deft sapphire]

warriors can soak the orbs manually and then drop them but you have to use your cds right

soaking the orbs really hurts

[warm plinth]

Yeah it does.

[ember arrow]

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

tauren or nightborne

[warm plinth]

HMT man

[deft sapphire]

nightborne

[warm plinth]

That knockdown is gonna be the new Arcane Torrent in BfA

With all the stuns and shit getting nerfed

[deft sapphire]

you alraedy have charge

[ember arrow]

if it has no min range

[warm plinth]

It has no min range

[deft sapphire]

hmt charge is useless

[warm plinth]

It has a max range of 6 yards

[ember arrow]

idc about power

[warm plinth]

It's a knockdown

[jaunty canopy]

that knokdown is only good in m+ if you charge into a wall probably lol

[ember arrow]

i want A E S T H E T I C S

[warm plinth]

Warbringer only works on 1 target in BfA

[deft sapphire]

then dont choose either

and play upright orcs

[ember arrow]

haHAA

orcs

[timid jay]

Nightborne is BiS mgll

[warm plinth]

Why is Nightborne BiS?

[deft sapphire]

when i was horde my warrior was orc

but i should've made it belf

[ember arrow]

jerk off to females

thats why

like always

[warm plinth]

But you can be a female VE and have it be way more awesome and have the sexier elf model

[ember arrow]

only reason to play ally is for dem waifus

amirite

now that we got nightborne

no reason anymore

[warm plinth]

Yeah except I only have one elf toon 🤔

[timid jay]

Too small and spinky for warriors imo

[warm plinth]

And it's because it has to be an elf

[ember arrow]

i didnt say warriors

maybe weird idea, but i thimk bodytype shud change on class, like warr shud be more muscular than mage

idk

[warm plinth]

Testing on heroic. I forgot you have to do Lower Kara to get to Upper regularly

And I ain't about that life

Also I was wrong; it has curse in the tooltip too

[ember arrow]

it wont make u immune to them for duration?

so u can solotank mythic harjatan

[warm plinth]

No immunity

[ember arrow]

solo portal keeper

solo memeonar

[warm plinth]

God damn heroic bitches lol

They killed him too fast

[junior ivy]

worldcrusher please see off topic

for cute pic.

[warm plinth]

Guess I'm soloing lower kara 😭

[warm plinth]

That awkward moment when you can't solo Moroes lol

[ember arrow]

on what diff?

[warm plinth]

Mythic

Stoneform does not remove the loose mana DoT

Does remove Garrote on Moroes though

[glacial sage]

tfw someone in your group gets a 940 chrono shard and keeps it for their offspec

[warm plinth]

😦

I'm using one of those right now :p

[glacial sage]

I had the other piece at 940 aswell

[sick sentinel]

Which legendaries are generally BIS for protection?

If I’m not mistaken wrists are

But what else?

[hushed pier]

hands

[sick sentinel]

So definitely not the chest?

Hands just increase dps though, don’t they?

[hushed pier]

I'd say hands + belt

they do

[sick sentinel]

Why would they be BIS then? I’m talking survivability.

Not dps

[jaunty canopy]

they give more rage as well

[hushed pier]

I've noticed you absorb way more damage this way because of the uptime in ignore pain

[sick sentinel]

How so?

Hands only say 20% damage on tclap/slam right?

Why/how do they increase rage

I was thinking wrist/one of the cd Reducing legendaries

[hushed pier]

as they do more damage, they generate more rage, if you run anger management alonside booming voice, belt will help you lower the cd of demo shout, wish gives a lot of rage. Also, with the 2pc t21 you have a spam of shield slam and using all that rage makes demo shout off cd real quick

[sick sentinel]

I was thinking the walls fell/legs for straight survivability

Oh yeah I’ve noticed that too

[hushed pier]

in fact, every battle cry is a stupid smash of shield slam + IP

[sick sentinel]

Is the rage increase from the hands really that good? How much more rage does it produce?

[hushed pier]

I'll have to replace my KB soon

well, if you have enough survival with that strat, taking that extra dps is always handy for the raid

[sick sentinel]

See with as much rage as I burn through I can’t see wrists not being BIS for the healing output

[hushed pier]

you can replace belt with wrist I guess

[sick sentinel]

Yeah true. My warr is my alt atm tho since we’re not as great as other tanks currently for mythic

[ember arrow]

we're not?

[sick sentinel]

Belt is great for M+ tho. All those TVLAP TARGETS

tclap*

I don’t think a warr has killed M angus yet.

Argus* fuck autocorrect lol

Prot warr that is

[ember arrow]

they did

multiple

[sick sentinel]

Oh well I stand corrected

[ember arrow]

also we're really good for scythe

since its blockable

good for aggramar

imonar is using cds on cd

[sick sentinel]

Aren’t other tanks less squishy tho or is it just that other tanks are better overall

[ember arrow]

we'ren ot squish at all

[hushed pier]

in fact, you'll see that you receive less damage even than dps

[ember arrow]

if u cant play warr properly

[sick sentinel]

Oh I do haha

[ember arrow]

u get fuckd

[hushed pier]

and a lot of healing via absorbs

[sick sentinel]

I’ve noticed that many times. 😅

[ember arrow]

90% of our playstylei n raids: time SB for blockable shit

[sick sentinel]

I feel like I do well but man there’s a mythic gild with a warr that had everything macro’d hahah

[ember arrow]

does boss have bleeds? prepare to spam cds

does he not have perma bleeds?

ez

[sick sentinel]

Literally 1 macro for all abilities. 😱😱😱

[ember arrow]

AHC, garothi, kingaroth

snorefests

thats not efficient at all

[sick sentinel]

Oh I know

[hushed pier]

also tier bonuses are really good

imo

[sick sentinel]

He does a lot his other tank says

[warm plinth]

Hey do you have to tank the Aggramar adds separately?

[sick sentinel]

Dies*

[ember arrow]

yea

if he fuckin macros all abilities

[warm plinth]

Alright

[sick sentinel]

I can’t wait for BFA if the change to IP is implemented as they expect it to be

[ember arrow]

ofc he does die

worlddcrusher

u dont HAVE to

[warm plinth]

And does he not do Foebreaker on LFR? O_o

[ember arrow]

but its a big healing check esp on hc

he doesnt

[warm plinth]

Oh

[ember arrow]

4 flame rends

and aoe

[warm plinth]

So I can just stack the whole time?/

[ember arrow]

yea

[warm plinth]

Nice okay

[ember arrow]

just barely broke my record

18 stacks on hc rgus

[sick sentinel]

It’ll turn rage Into legit resource for surv hopefully

In a non spammy way

[ember arrow]

it looks terrible

as it is now

[sick sentinel]

The BFA IP change?

[ember arrow]

but we'll see

[sick sentinel]

Looks better than it is now lol

[ember arrow]

no

[sick sentinel]

Also world, you do need to tank big adds apaet

[timid jay]

Generally bracers are the strongest defensive legendary we have, as for gloves Vs belt it comes down to aoe

[sick sentinel]

At least on HC. idk about the others

[ember arrow]

also @sick sentinel did u do mythic wit warr

or u just say we're worse because u heard

from a certain indivifual perhaps

name starts wit S

ends with co

[sick sentinel]

Nah it’s my alt

Just from what I’ve read/saw

[ember arrow]

hmmhm

[glacial sage]

Currently have the sparring dude at 88 stacks

[warm plinth]

lul, 915 eye of shatug

Thanks LFR

[fringe steeple]

@fierce juniper is it you?

[fierce juniper]

yeah, it is

lol

[glacial sage]

have my baby?

[modest trout]

i have a question guys, when you block an attack we block a melee attack but did we just block physical melee dmg or even the magical one like de slash on varimathras?

[warm plinth]

Slash on Vari is not blockable, even though it's a "melee"

RIP, no Diima's or tier

[junior ivy]

is cath bugged

lastr boss

.ike really bad?

it is right?

?

[warm plinth]

Nope.

[junior ivy]

was on track for easy 3 chest on a cath +12 or +13 i forget

get to last boss with over 3 mins left

get to the phase with the puyrple balls

theres.. a lot. like, 4-5 hitting at once

it goes on forever

and ever

and ever

and ever

over 5 mins total on that phase alone

then the boss comes back, but the purple ball guys dont away

and the boss wasnt targetable

so hes poutting green stuff all over floor while im still dealing with bvalls and no one cna target boss

[warm plinth]

o_O

[junior ivy]

ended up 1 chesting it. sad. was easily 3 chest if not for thatever bug that was

[warm plinth]

I mean, that's definitely a bug. But it's definitely not something that's happening all the time. Sounds like you just got screwed

[junior ivy]

yup lol

[warm plinth]

With 4-5 orbs hitting at once, sounds like your DPS weren't doing their jobs killing the spirits though

[glacial sage]

Whats worse is one shotting every boss on a +15 or higher than getting to the last one with 5-7 minutes left only to wipe over and over

[junior ivy]

the spirits werent losing health

[warm plinth]

The boss coming back and the other shit not going away and not being targetable is definitely a bug though

Oh

[undone sun]

If illidan gets hit his energy resets and won't progress till he reaches full

[junior ivy]

wait. thyme

explain\

im confused

[warm plinth]

When an orb hits Illidan, it halts his energy regeneration. So the more orbs that hit him, the longer the phase lasts. Obviously if the spirits are unkillable, it would be really really hard to transition to the other phase.

[undone sun]

^

could also use immunities and heavy DRs to block the orbs

[junior ivy]

the spirits werent dying, and we had like, a million of them

and the dps was GOOD

hence 3 chesting

[warm plinth]

Lol, sounds like a challenging fight

[junior ivy]

and just tried arcway 14 and .. wow.. it went bad

group fell apart at first boss

[warm plinth]

Really? That's an easy one this week

Who was the first boss?

[junior ivy]

umm

the mana lady?

who makes triangles?

[warm plinth]

That's a dude isn't it?

:p

Ivanyr

[junior ivy]

but we wiped like 6 times before we even got to that boss

oh, maybe, lmao

[warm plinth]

Wtf, how lol

[junior ivy]

umm we just kept dying to trash

lol

i dunno how really

[warm plinth]

There's not even any hard trash on the way to that boss

[junior ivy]

some purple g uys

were doing some ability

i dunno lol

[warm plinth]

The slicer?

The voidwalker looking dudes?

[junior ivy]

they did look lime voidwalke4rs

[warm plinth]

So people were just standing in front of them? x_x

[junior ivy]

guess so

wasnt a good group lol

every few mins out of nowhere id be the only one alive

[warm plinth]

Lol

Sounds like a great group; what do you mean? :p

[topaz ember]

what do you guys like to use more the dog trinket or the coven trinket?

[undone sun]

diimas

diimas is great for burst physical and aoe

offensive and defensive

[broken kite]

and the slow is fun

[deft sapphire]

the armor is like an extra 10% dr or something its reaaaly nice

[crude pond]

STR 3960 vs STR 2372+HASTE1400
which one is better dps??

[warm plinth]

Uh, definitely the first one

[crude pond]

str contributes to dps way more than the same amount of haste?

[topaz torrent]

melemesu

[warm plinth]

Yes

[royal cobalt]

Managed 100% shield block uptime for 4 minutes, not sure if worth the cost tho

Anger management is too good

[slate obsidian]

TL:DR it's not

not worth that id

[royal cobalt]

Pardon?

[slate obsidian]

you don't need 4min SB uptime for anything

you need SB up for Important moments, not all the time

[royal cobalt]

Yeah I realize that

I want that kinda uptime on p3 argus

[slate obsidian]

multiple SWs and DSes plus massive rage from frequent BCs are gonna do you better

[royal cobalt]

Yeah =/

[long bronze]

curious, how good/bad is shifting cosmic silver?

sliver*

[undone sun]

incredibly situational, and so far there hasn't been a situation where it's better than most defensive trinkets

[long bronze]

word thank you

so like you'd take darkmoon or a haste stat stick over it most of the time?

[scenic seal]

is thier an ELi5 tank rotation. im pretty much pressing glowing buttons but i basically tab target devastate right?

[undone sun]

it's more of a priority system, on ST it's SS on cooldown and rev/tc are your fillers, devastate goes out of the rotation once you switch to devastator

[long bronze]

which is as soon as you hit lvl 75 😉

[scenic seal]

ok ty

would shield block be the warrior equiv to a druids iron fur?

[green isle]

kinda

[warm plinth]

As far as active mitigation goes, yes

[scenic seal]

ok ty

[scenic seal]

yeah prot not bad at all

have more problems with threat than guard but fun

[slate obsidian]

yeah, I have some problems with threat too, namely overaggroing my cotank all the time

[visual plume]

Ok boys, I'm going to be tanking Mythic dogs soon, I'm wearing 6pc, just wonderng what trinkets I should use between 950 Apoc Drive, 950 Codex, 955 Diima's and 980 Khaz'goroth's courage

[undone sun]

that's all you have? khaz and apoc

[visual plume]

Yes unfortunately it is

[serene stag]

So, prot stuff, how much haste is too much haste?

I may have coined a 985 coven ring and i'm now at a hefty amount of haste.

[stray wedge]

There isn't really such a thing

[topaz sparrow]

There is no such thing

[serene stag]

Casual 38.25% haste then it seems

[stray wedge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma crane]

40%+ happens fairly often depending on trinket choice and quality of your jewelry

[jaunty canopy]

saw a few guys at 50-55% haste a while back

I Wasnt blessed with haste gear anymore buuut I do have mastery gear

#MythicArgusReady.. if only I main tanked still/had a good guild

[nocturne herald]

is the lightforged draenai a good racial for the prot warri or not

[undone sun]

likely not to be anything game breaking, as most racials tend to be pretty minor

[nocturne herald]

okay but are they better than the humans one

[jaunty canopy]

as a prot warrior I liked being a space cow, when I was alli, could use battle cry to make it crit

their heal I mean, so from 5% to 50% with last stand, to 90%+ with gift

[nocturne herald]

So its kinda more attractive more than being a human

[jaunty canopy]

for me yes but each their own

[nocturne herald]

how are velf vs lightforged ?

which heal is stronger?

[jaunty canopy]

?

[timid jay]

Mosty racials are so minor it doesnt really matter

[ember arrow]

iinsert arcane torrent commenjt here

[jaunty canopy]

arcane torrent is only op cuz it doesnt dr, so having 5 in a group is op

if they made it dr like a stun it woudnt be a problem

but if they start that then they will probably make warbringer dr as well soooo

nty xD

[ember arrow]

its not that it has no DR

its that it silences raid bosses

[merry cave]

Quickj question do you guys 2 or 3 tank mythic portal keeper

[ember arrow]

2 tank

[jaunty canopy]

feel like thats an oversight lmao I was thinking m+

[undone sun]

3

[ember arrow]

m+ obviously too

[jaunty canopy]

think we 3 tank too

[ember arrow]

why 3 tank

[undone sun]

minimizes overall raid damage from dot

[ember arrow]

had no trouble with that

on my kills

[jaunty canopy]

probably not now, but when it was first week, it made a difference

[ember arrow]

hmh

never considered 3 tanking

wipes were 99% due to imps allahu ackbar

[jaunty canopy]

well im totally guessing, but back first week, 3 tanking it let you sac a healer or 2 probably

making imps easier

and all around cleaner

[ember arrow]

so they gave night elf models to horde

and belt to alliance

[jaunty canopy]

#lazy

[ember arrow]

i named nightborne notLevko

brilliant

[glacial sage]

For felhounds, I've been skipping using t20 because I feel I will not have it up for the fear, does anyone else do this?

[south patrol]

875 arcano vs 900 Darkmoon?

[ember arrow]

FOR WHAT PURPOSE

caps

arcano for dps, dmd, for def

[south patrol]

So even though it's only 875 it's still better for dps?

[glacial sage]

arcano op

so, yes

[timid jay]

Dmd isn't good for damage

It's not much str at all

[glacial sage]

Did anyone say it was?

[sick sentinel]

Boys. Are we still using devastator instead of indomitable for greater ignore pains and some deeps?

[ember arrow]

always deva

[compact geyser]

Devastator is op

[sick sentinel]

Dusting off my warrior because I greatly miss him, and am prepping for bfa.

Thank you kindly

[ember arrow]

u mean for bfa?

we dont know the exact numbers yet

too early to tell what will be best

[compact geyser]

BfA it could all change.

[sick sentinel]

No, no. I meant now.

[ember arrow]

now we answered 😃

[glacial olive]

then definitely devastator unless you're like super undergeared for the content you're doing

[ember arrow]

indom is good if u get oneshot wit proper cd management

which doesnt happen

i used it on mythic odyn

thats it

was prob not necessary

[sick sentinel]

I'm going with Warr for bfa in general as Main, since I've come to the conclusion that tanking with a fun dps offspec is all I want to do, and that nothing goes above and beyond a big green orc covered in plate

(discord is lagging, sorry)

[glacial sage]

thanks for saying it twice so us old warriors can hear it