protection

[glacial olive]

might just stop using t20

[prisma crane]

a lot have

it def has its place

but going T21 and ilvl isnt bad

not at all

[last loom]

sephuz any good for duengon tanking?

[mortal hawk]

Its hard to drop gloves or belt for sephuz imo. I've been thinking about toying with it for trash though.

If you dont have gloves and belt, I would definitely throw it on for m+ trash though.

[last loom]

i have wrist and sephuz

then i have arms and fury legos

[mortal hawk]

Yea thats a fine set up for m+, Those were my first leggos too

A sephuz weakaura that tells you when the ICD is up is very helpful too. Lets you know just when to stun or interrupt to maximize uptime

or for aligning cooldowns

[west kayak]

I use Sephuz and Belt for trash. Works like a charm. Oh and for Eonar.

[ember arrow]

tfw u work in flower industry and valentines day inc

next week 60+ hours work

[warm plinth]

Where's my Valentine's Day flower hookup @ember arrow

[ember arrow]

u can come and get it

ill be there 15 hours a day

[warm plinth]

Where are you at again?

[ember arrow]

floraHolland

[warm plinth]

brb getting my $1500 plane ticket to get free flowers

[ember arrow]

google

[timid jay]

ik ben dood

stroopwaffle

[ember arrow]

dont forget klompen

and windmolen

[timid jay]

is that the disgusting looking thing in a bowl?

[ember arrow]

only disgusting this will be my work schedule

[warm plinth]

https://giphy.com/gifs/everyone-brown-shaun-LyJ6KPlrFdKnK My face right now

[ember arrow]

wat?

reaction to what

[warm plinth]

Your European words

[ember arrow]

well u knew im on EU servers

didnt play for 2 weeks now ayy

[warm plinth]

I did

[ember arrow]

1 more to go

[warm plinth]

Why aren't you playing for 3 weeks?

[ember arrow]

work,sleep,work

[warm plinth]

Ah

[ember arrow]

valentines day

flower industry

do i need to spell it out

[warm plinth]

Is Valentine's Day a global thing? Like does everyone celebrate it?

[ember arrow]

idk i work for UK

they certainly do

all our shit flowers go to england

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[ember arrow]

longest day yet was from 5:00 till 00:30

christmas

[warm plinth]

Hey i actually worked a 17 hour day a couple months back. But tbf, it was because we had system issues the day before and couldn't send anything out.

So we had to send double orders out

[ember arrow]

ye but that is 5 days in week

and then weekend 12 hours "only"

[warm plinth]

Haven't worked that many hours since I was an hourly person

Thankfuly

[ember arrow]

i oversee production, company works 24 hours a day

[warm plinth]

Thankfully*

[ember arrow]

so icant be absent long

[humble brook]

Is it worth taking a 10ilvl hit on helm & a 45 ilvl hit on chest to get T21 2pc?

[ember arrow]

i think so

pretty significant increase in dps and surv

[humble brook]

Sweet, ty

[fair sky]

Hello.

I finally figured this thing out.

And joined the right chat!

[ember arrow]

o/

ask away

[tropic owl]

Hey guys, fury warr here. Just obtained all tank legendaries. want to make 3 builds, Full defensive / Hybrid / Full dmg. Any suggestions?

[ember arrow]

we have fury chat

for tank it depends what u want?

if u dont need surv, full dmg is fine

[dusky summit]

bracers/tfw def, belt/bracer hybrid/ belt gloves dps

[ember arrow]

full def would be anythign with wrists, and with TWF,hankds, and belt

[dusky summit]

bracers/twf for bosses . belt/bracers defensive on trash

gloves/.bracers would be hybrid too

[tropic owl]

Do you ever use 4set T20? Currently im using 4P T19 and 2P T20 when im tanking

[prisma crane]

wait

for real?

2p T19 is only used if you're trying to hit 100% mastery for basically jsut M Argus

[ember arrow]

ye t19 isnt reacommended

[prisma crane]

otherwise, you're raping your overall ilvl for relatively little gain

and T21 2p is amazing

both offensively and defensively

[tropic owl]

oh damn sorry

[ember arrow]

D:

[tropic owl]

i meant 4P 20 and 2p T21

my bad

[prisma crane]

kk lol

a lot of ppl use that

it's very strong

particularly for self healing and CDR

not that the alternatives dont have that, just that it's the best in those depts

but if you have really high ilvl alternates, you may consider 4p T21 and ilvl instead

and use gloves

[tropic owl]

alright

Do protection still have a haste cap or am i way back in time now?

[fringe adder]

Minimum haste is whatever five shield slams per battle cry is

There's no cap

[warm plinth]

The haste breakpoints for T21 are not requirements or minimums. They're just helpful information.

If you have 2pc T21, 20-25% haste will get you 5 GCDs in Battle Cry (depending on your latency), and 50-55% will get you 6 (again, depending on latency)

[last loom]

is it just me or is warrior tank artifact utter garbage o0

[turbid horizon]

How?

[last loom]

what is it good for

[turbid horizon]

It's a 100% critical block chance

[prisma crane]

you mean neltharion's fury?

this?

[ember arrow]

THIS?

[turbid horizon]

Lol

[prisma crane]

hell, if i had 7/7 bastion i wouldve survived this too

[steady vigil]

about what ilvl on neck upgrade is it worth losing haste for crit/mast?

[prisma crane]

15-20

[steady vigil]

Ty

[sick sentinel]

should i take a 25ilvl upgrade with crit mastery, but drop my haste from 27% to 21%

[ember arrow]

yea

[prisma crane]

it's rough, but yea, probably

just try to hunt for haste elsewhere

[ember arrow]

5 ilvls on armor pieces

15-20 on jewelery

[sick sentinel]

alrighty

[ember arrow]

artifact does exactly what it says

it critblocks any melee attack or blockable ability

its either meh or ectremely powerful

[last loom]

Im confused with the term critically block what does it mean

[ember arrow]

u got a chance equal to ur mastery % to cticlobk an attack

a critblock is blocking double the dmg

the dmg prevented depends if u got any "Bastion of the ASpects" traits

[last loom]

Ait

[prisma crane]

block base is 30% dmg reduction

from a blockable attack

with your artifact (ignoring relics) you can get that number up to 38%

when you critically block, that value doubles

to 60% and 76% respectively

[ember arrow]

dont y mean 44

[prisma crane]

this doubling is why bastion relics are so strong

with bastion relics we can get the new base 38 up to 44, which makes the crit block peak at 88%

[last loom]

Im playing a dh tank as other char we dont block so

[prisma crane]

but basically, just think

armor ~56-60% DR

then you have block up to 88% DR

on top of that, you have IP for 90% DR up to a fixed amount

and you can always throw in last stand for HP and or Shield wall for additional DR

meaning you can make extremely large hits minuscule

[ember arrow]

@last loom smaller scale example

but notice the DR

[glacial sage]

How lucky am I, I'm 7/7 BoA and 7/7 Rage of the fallen, only 960 though

[last loom]

Havent tanked any hard content yet but certainly feels inferior to a vengeance tank in terms of duengon tanking

[ember arrow]

depends what hard keys are

u mean 25+?

up till then doable

[timid jay]

Vengenace feels extremely strong in m+

As belf the double AoE silence just feels so good to have

[ember arrow]

good thing it gets removed

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[last loom]

I've done +23 in my offspec as vengeance

In time

I main havoc

[jade socket]

well vengeance and blood are top tier in mplus rn

so yes its slightly inferior

[ember arrow]

on what affixes

[sick sentinel]

On the other hand a prot without proper blocks and warbringerstuns feels freakin squishy .. so there maybe some space to close that "feeling gap"🤔

Ill equip my DH next pretty sure - lets get superior! :grin:

[prisma crane]

thing is, the only way to close that feeling gap is to both play better and gain abilities

[last loom]

https://gyazo.com/e396d105b78a772dd2a77cddc7dff1fa does this damage breakdown look normal?

[prisma crane]

improper blocking is exactly why warriors are tough to play

your SS dmg looks low

[deft sapphire]

I find I’m more comfortable and geared on my warrior so beside specific dungeons/affixes I do better on warrior than my blood anyway

[prisma crane]

^ im positive that would be me too

[deft sapphire]

Do you have t21 @last loom cause shield slam should be like 40%+ on single target

[prisma crane]

and if played right, it can be 50%+

[last loom]

i have 2piece

[prisma crane]

it should be easily over 40% of your dmg

[last loom]

Dunno my legos are healing wrist and sephuz

[sick sentinel]

I did that to my Druid @deft sapphire .. and i dont reget anything

[last loom]

dunno if that makes any difference

[prisma crane]

this was one of my better aggramar pulls this wk

gloves may help boost SS dmg

but you'd still be over 40%

[deft sapphire]

Gloves do, and aggramar has decent rpdt for cd reduction

[last loom]

satyr over trained soldier?

[deft sapphire]

Rfdt

[last loom]

i was just hitting a dummmy though

[prisma crane]

well i could do vari on heroic

[last loom]

dunno

[prisma crane]

i use satyr because i want more dmg

trained soldier is a decent middle group

ground*

and heavy hide for surv

[last loom]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/ravencrest/tektah here is what my warrior runs

i just respecced to prot so its very suboptimal

my sephuz is ilvl 1k armory hasnt updated

https://gyazo.com/a6c83efe18f275d320d254b044920e8c?token=b197fe6187caac11b03f7754edfb79b2

[prisma crane]

i'd swap out vengeance for BV

[finite bolt]

void elf warrior wat you thin

k

[prisma crane]

secondaries dont matter much

[last loom]

doesnt matter really?

i thought it was critical to have high haste

[prisma crane]

i mean, haste is BiS secondary but STR is still better

there's no amount of haste you need

but over 23-25% is nice with 2p T21

and it's always our best secondary for surv purposes

[last loom]

i have quite abit since uhm

sephuz

[prisma crane]

but not at the expense of ilvl

i've been over 40% haste without saccrificing ilvl

it jsut depends on where your gear is at

mine is down to upper 20s now

but i also rarely wear my haste stick anymore

[last loom]

should i drop t20 2set?

[prisma crane]

if you have much better items you can

but the 2p isnt bad ofc

[last loom]

i dont really

[prisma crane]

its more rage and thus more CDR

then keep it

i still use it

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/sargeras/krotôs

a fairly typical gear set for me atm

though i drop bracers when im not worried about dying

i have safeguard because was running M+ before i logged off

did a 23 CoS on time!

new personal record by miles

[warm plinth]

Hmm, what's my CoS record...

[sick sentinel]

That tankard tho :grin:

[prisma crane]

lol

it has an orange glow that matches the set

since the weapon glows come from inside the mug lol

[warm plinth]

🙃

[prisma crane]

i like it because it's hidden when sheathed

[glacial sage]

only 29% haste?

[sick sentinel]

Seems u had a good time there with that wine addict nightbourns in CoS

[prisma crane]

lol yup yup

[glacial sage]

silly noy

[prisma crane]

yea 29% i guess

[warm plinth]

I think that was the run I did with you Krotos

[glacial sage]

just sacrifice a goat

[prisma crane]

i dont really pay attention to it

[last loom]

https://gyazo.com/dba3b36bd2fd428f8173a4cbff18f534 did another round

[glacial sage]

I'm at 44%

[prisma crane]

i can break 55% but you dont see my bragging!!

😮

you should be using SS more if you can

of course RFDT will get you more SS since more CDR on BC

[last loom]

this was on a dummy

[prisma crane]

try against the tank dummy

[last loom]

oh yeh

i just dpsd a regular dummy

[prisma crane]

I'm going to ping you later mordrie if i can remember

lol

[warm plinth]

Nope, that wasn't it

That was a week ago

I think ours was last "season"

[prisma crane]

yea probably lol

i dont think we failed the key 😛

and CoS was on your monk i thought

cant remember though

maybe you tanked that one

[warm plinth]

I think we did two CoS and one was me DPSing and one was me tanking, but I DPSed on my warrior

And it was sad XD

[prisma crane]

lol right right

im having fun with Diima's

[warm plinth]

I would be too, but the mythic dungeon weekly hasn't given it to me yet

[last loom]

https://gyazo.com/fef5e864f8a271714df7f759a2c0649b?token=976136990f42cdc366421fb0f99648ae

dunno

[prisma crane]

getting better

[last loom]

pretty much same thing

dunno

im doing 700k dps

its kinda shit

[prisma crane]

you did 3% more, that's about 8% improvement

[last loom]

dunno how much im supposed to do really

[prisma crane]

are you using BV?

i usually stay around 1m+

[last loom]

i ran vengeance

im 950 ilvl

[oblique pike]

whats a better trinket for aoe dps, 945 diima or 930 moonglaives?

[visual plume]

This might seem silly but which of these 2 rings should I be using?

For Prot, Diima's for sure right?

Moon glaives is a bigger AoE but does a tiny bit more damage and has a 50% longer cooldown by the looks of this

[sick sentinel]

Did u use shieldblock offensive there too @last loom ?

[last loom]

yeh not all the time but i did

[sick sentinel]

+30% SS dmg.?

[last loom]

36%

[sick sentinel]

Okay gud.

[prisma crane]

Aljan

ilvl has little to do with why you'd run BV

vengeance is a waste

with T21 2p

since you cant weave

which SS spamming

BV will give you more dmg and more rage overall

meaning more CDR

so more BC and more SS more rage, repeat

you also want to try to line BC with DS when you can since of course more dmg but also more rage per SS meaning again more CDR

@visual plume seal and the 975 (put haste gem in the 975)

[last loom]

do i like

can i use battlecry whenever or should i use it to get an extra reset on SS

[prisma crane]

well

you want to use SS if it's up

but

dont hit BC during a GCD if you can help it

@visual plume also, Diima's has STR, vs vers on glaives

and it's dmg is instant

plus provides armor/slow, so it's a solid def boost too

but for pure aoe dmg, glaives should be better

plus you can jsut swap trinkets when it;s on CD if you want

but i know if my vers procs are up (conc or aggramar's) i get Diima's to crit over 2.3m per target

960 diima atm though

[sick sentinel]

still missing that beauty..Ladys dont love me.

[prisma crane]

that was the first one i've ever seen drop

and i coin them every time i kill them

[sick sentinel]

Yeah.. im flipping coins now too

[prisma crane]

i have so many coins

always capped

there really arent many bosses to use them on

[oblique pike]

last cache, i got 960 on my dk and 965 on my druid, warrior still stuck with 945

[prisma crane]

eonar, kin, coven, and maybe aggramar

[oblique pike]

ladies love me

[prisma crane]

lol

i get crit>vers gear from my cache

[warm plinth]

Idk why but that reminded me of that song It Takes Two by Lil Bow Wow

Back when he was just a lil guy making the Like Mike movie 😂

[prisma crane]

lol

[visual plume]

So @prisma crane You reckon I should use Saltheril or Pantheon with legendary ring?

[sick sentinel]

Muaha..was is this crazy kid doing nowadays? Germany didnt hear about him for years..

[visual plume]

The difference is roughly ~6% haste 150k health and ~6% Mastery

Oh and 2.2% vers, forgot that's a stat

[glacial olive]

is khazgaroth's (dps pantheon trinket) any good for our st btw?

[warm plinth]

To my knowledge he's still making music; at least, he was a few years ago.

[sick sentinel]

Ill check that......thx the reminder😋

[fiery pendant]

tfw 920 arcano on fresh boosted alt

D:

[warm plinth]

...

[glacial sage]

coolio

[sick sentinel]

@visual plume effect is downgraded for tanks (-50%?) ....not rly worth it

[timid jay]

The normal proc is kinda garbage in general

The str is nice though, and the empowered proc

[visual plume]

Also it wasn't me that asked

I just wanted to know if it was worth using a 975 socket Seal of the Pantheon over a 940 Seal of Saltheril if I'm using TWF

[sick sentinel]

ST dps wise ive seen some decent Chronoshard or AHR logs..or just high statsticks

[timid jay]

35 ilvl is a lot, definitely go higher ilvl ring

[warm plinth]

I'm confused. Isn't Seal of the Pantheon a trinket?

[visual plume]

Sullied Seal of the Pantheon is a Mastery>Vers ring

[warm plinth]

Ah

[sick sentinel]

Yee sry was @Shandrolis#5010 question. Mobile messed that up

[warm plinth]

I'm with Cosmo. 35 ilevels = upgrade regardless of stats. And seal doesn't have bad stats anyway.

[visual plume]

Speaking of stats, Reckon these are good enough for tanking Mythic ABT?

[warm plinth]

Looks fine to me

[visual plume]

Currently don't have the tank pantheon trinket since I was only asked to swap to tank a week ago Q_Q

[timid jay]

That attack speed though

Exactly 2

[sick sentinel]

Its a 6p isnt it?

[timid jay]

Looks like it

[sick sentinel]

Freakin solid.

[timid jay]

Oh wait, thats t21 4p and t20 2p?

[visual plume]

Nope

[timid jay]

Oh

[visual plume]

Other way around

[timid jay]

im blind

[visual plume]

XD

I do actually have all 6 pieces of T21 though since I was originally fury then Arms then Prot XD

Unfortunately my T20 is kinda garbage, only 930 ilvl and then 920 shoulders

Also quick question for Cosmo if he's still around, for a dps build, 980 DPS Pantheon trinket or 930 Cradle?

[stray wedge]

for your personal dps or for the raid's dps?

[visual plume]

Mine

[stray wedge]

i imagine still the 980

[visual plume]

What about for dungeons without the Pantheon proc

[timid jay]

The pantheon empowerment does nothing for your dps

Provided we're still talking about the tank one

[visual plume]

DPS one

I don't have the tank one

[mortal hawk]

Pretty sure the proc is severely nerfed in tank spec

[glacial olive]

do we have any particular trinket that is super broken on ST for us?

[timid jay]

Probably still the pantheon one, but its just guesstimation

[visual plume]

I'll probably just use the Pantheon one then in case I somehow drop below 50%

I have a very limited pool of trinkets XD

[mortal hawk]

Memento is pretty solid for single target dps, a lot of the top logs often just have high stat sticks though, so keep rolling those relinquished trinkets

[glacial olive]

I do have a 920+s memento, guess I can use that

[prisma crane]

@visual plume exactly what the rest are saying, higher ilvl ring, and def teh aggramar trinket for dmg, it's a shitload of STR

just do 15+ maws

[glacial olive]

makes my ilvl plummet, feelsbad

compared to 985 dps pantheon

[prisma crane]

940+ memento

[timid jay]

What else do you have? Because a 920 memento isnt very exciting

[mortal hawk]

grab some melee buddies with decent trinkets, thats how I got mine

[glacial olive]

945 scourgewing, 965 fabricator (aoe I guess), 950 glaives, 925 spectre, 920 eye of command

I main fury so I dont really have a large supply of stuff thats really good for prot

[timid jay]

Wow, all of them are kinda bad

Memento might actually be the best of those

Especially if some people are dying

[glacial olive]

any trinkets I should keep my eye on getting?

[timid jay]

The farmable ones are memento / chronoshard

[glacial olive]

alright, thanks ^^

so the dps pantheon is not good at all then?

[timid jay]

It is

a good chunk of str

If you cant proc the empowerement the tank one is stronger

[glacial olive]

so 985 dps-pantheon vs 920+s memento?

[timid jay]

Definitely pantheon

[glacial olive]

I dont have the tank pantheon upgraded (though I do have it)

[timid jay]

Tell me about it

[visual plume]

So does anyone here have a set for Destiny Driver?

[undone sun]

no

[timid jay]

Why would anyone have that?

[visual plume]

Because it's a great meme lego, just imagine the potential in.... Uh....

I can't think of anything

Oh, I've got it, when your offtank is soloing the melee's from heroic aggramar

Outside of that I cannot think of any reason

Shit, he's right

[warm plinth]

Confirmed most useless legendary in Legion

[visual plume]

Well I've got nothing then XD

[timid jay]

VDH's have a few one that could be worse

The ones that work off soul cleave

They arent even good stat sticks

[undone sun]

yeah. bracers

[visual plume]

Too true

[restive canopy]

idk, the soul cleave one was nice when our dps was useless at stopping imps on portal keeper

[visual plume]

Prot pallies have Uther's guard, aren't they kinda shit too?

[undone sun]

yeh

[timid jay]

They have some kind of utility at least

[visual plume]

Yeah, I guess

[timid jay]

They do something

Might not be much but hey, its more than something that buffs a ability you never use

[warm plinth]

I mean, you use Soul Cleave in very very niche situations though. Like if you're gonna die in the next global

A lot of CCs got nerfed, and not all of them made sense.

[visual plume]

Has everyone got a prot mastery set for the memes as well?

[timid jay]

Some people use it for mythic argus

for the 100% crit block chance

[warm plinth]

100% or what are you even doing

C'mon Kyoudo, get your shit together

[visual plume]

Mate, I'm getting there

[warm plinth]

XD

I failed a mission with a 98% success chance once 🙃

Feels great

[visual plume]

And I completed a mission with 2% success chance though :P

[warm plinth]

Lawl, my lowest one is like 40% on an elite strike mission because I'm lazy with my followers

[visual plume]

Well to be more accurate, I started a mission with a 102% success chance and the 2% got me my bonus

I just want over 40% haste again Q_Q

Fuck this Seal of the Pantheon ring

[warm plinth]

You could accidentally destroy it or something

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[visual plume]

But my fury and Arms would cry then Q_Q

[quiet kettle]

ur fury would thank u to go back to a haste ring

[visual plume]

Nah, my fury would kick me in the face and run off, Mastery>Vers is BiS

[quiet kettle]

beautiful

[visual plume]

Q_Q

Is that with 6pc?

Ah, righteo

[dark junco]

Beautiful

Rolling 44/42/19 on my part

Wishing for more mastery

[visual plume]

This is my 2pc T21

I bonus rolled literally all of my tank trinkets except Titanguard back when I was DPS main

And atm I have, 955 Diima's, 950 Apoc, 950 Riftworld and 945 Smouldering Titanguard

[quiet kettle]

i would wear diimas over apoc

diimas so good

[visual plume]

Just depends what I'm doing

I'm not in an actual mythic guild so I don't do much "hard" content so I just use Apoc for the haste

Null flame?

960 Amulet of the last guardian

3k haste 1.2k Vers

[simple mural]

So, Thunder God's or Battle Lords?

[quiet kettle]

id say the issue is the helm

[timid jay]

@simple mural Depends on what you're doing and your gear

[visual plume]

I mean, not for those pieces of gear,

[quiet kettle]

its great cause its 980 but the secondaries are trash

[visual plume]

I mean it's still a Haste/Mastery helm, it's just basiclly 50/50 and it's haste priority

The shoulders are much worse

1k mastery/476 Haste

I barely do M+ so I don't really get much gear overall

I just kinda chill with what I have

[quiet kettle]

its not a terrible week, but still not amazing

its the tyrant usually

[visual plume]

Actually yeah, I don't know any mythic raiders so I might as well ask you guys

[warm plinth]

Yeah, most tyrannical problems don't start until 20ish. But PUGs still fail on Hyrja and Harbaron

At 15

[quiet kettle]

and the DH in BRH

[visual plume]

As mythic raiders, if you're farming for gear from M+ what level keys do you normally do?

[warm plinth]

lol, do they Der?

That's disheartening

[dark junco]

17+

[warm plinth]

Parjesh on tyrannical is literally fucking impossible for pugs

[quiet kettle]

his adds can still gimp groups, especially on necrotic week

[warm plinth]

I don't get it

[timid jay]

Yeah, I'm totally farming m+ as well guys

hahaaa

[junior ivy]

is every horde player a freaking blood elf?!

[timid jay]

Think I'm at 9.4 or something 🤔

[quiet kettle]

kyoudo, anything higher than 15 is just for ur m+ score, u wont get better gear

[visual plume]

Wait is that 9.4 with 6pc?

[dark junco]

You get more loot

So yeah, you get better gear

[quiet kettle]

so a competent 15s group is perfectly capable of doing every dungeon

[timid jay]

Nah, I'm only running t21 4p nowadays

[visual plume]

And yeah, every level higehr than a 15 is a 20% chance at a bonus piece of loot

[warm plinth]

I thought it was 40 🤔

[dark junco]

iirc its 20

[quiet kettle]

true, but u need a rather dedicated group for anything beyond 19

[junior ivy]

is anyone here na undead warrior

[dark junco]

Or raider io

[junior ivy]

an*

[visual plume]

Oh shit

Ok

Interesting

[dark junco]

Thanks World

[magic rain]

I bet you'll see some prot warriors in the next m+ invitational. 6pc all of equal ilvl? OP

[dark junco]

2/4

[visual plume]

T20 T21

[magic rain]

4pc t21 2pc t20

[quiet kettle]

eh maybe, maybe not

[magic rain]

errr

back wards

[sick sentinel]

prot warrior, MDI LUL

[magic rain]

t20 4pc, 2pc t21

[quiet kettle]

fotm is dh and dk atm

[warm plinth]

Sense will save us

[quiet kettle]

i've seen sum higher groups even turning down bears now

[dark junco]

Well the aoe on prot war is decent with revenge

[warm plinth]

That's because bears are shit

[sick sentinel]

bears aitn that great for m+

[dark junco]

Just need relics

[sick sentinel]

DH and paladin and maybe DK are the NA meta

[timid jay]

If you want to win the MDI you either for VDH or BDK

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's still mostly DH and DK because people haven't fully realized pally potential yet. But I'd agree with what banana said

[quiet kettle]

especially after the +27 arcway video

[magic rain]

@quiet kettle link? I hadn't seen it

[sick sentinel]

just google jdotb you'll find it

[magic rain]

kk ty

[sick sentinel]

i mean youtube it

[quiet kettle]

or shakibdh

[visual plume]

^

[sick sentinel]

you can get a good score if you just farm on easy weeks

but guys at the top dont care about score

[quiet kettle]

high m+ is arguably harder than mythic raiding depending on the affixes

[warm plinth]

😂

Arcway is really easy though

[sick sentinel]

arcway has a lenient timer

[warm plinth]

Especially on tyrannical

Only one crappy boss to worry about

[sick sentinel]

basically ya

[magic rain]

teeming,skittish, fortified arcway, no ty

[quiet kettle]

anything 20+ on tyrannical is a dead key usually

[sick sentinel]

idk about that

[quiet delta]

@quiet kettle what is easiest ? clearing mythic raid or get 4k+ m+ score?

[sick sentinel]

this is an easy tyrannical week

4k m+ score is way easier

[warm plinth]

That's comparing apples to oranges though. M+ is a 5 man group. Mythic raiding requires 10 people doing shit correctly.

20**

[quiet kettle]

4k is only around 21-22 of every key

[sick sentinel]

you cant really carry people in raids as you aer 1 of 20

[quiet delta]

im speaking per individual

[sick sentinel]

cant carry in 5mans either at higher keys

[warm plinth]

I loved doing 10 man Kara back in the day

[quiet delta]

ofc considering everyone know their shit

so comparing individual performance requirements

[sick sentinel]

4k m+ score is way easier to achieve than clearing Mythic

top guys are nearing 6k score its really not that impressive

[quiet delta]

i think m+ is harder cus if 1 fucks up or is bad it is hurting much more than if 1 is bad out of 20

even when doing things right

in terms of dps for example

[warm plinth]

I don't think they're comparable at all, personally. I've seen mythic raiders suck dick at M+.

[sick sentinel]

its no guarantee either way of course

[quiet delta]

those with 6k + score cleared mythic raid in 2017

[sick sentinel]

especially on EU

they are usually highly progressed in raids if they are high m+Ers

[quiet delta]

maybe cus they are not well aware of the mechanics?

derakkor it is a 30-40min fight actually

[sick sentinel]

M+ requires knowledge of the dungeon down to every trash pack

[warm plinth]

o_O

[quiet delta]

not like u take a nice break after each pull

[sick sentinel]

raiding is different

[quiet kettle]

m+ is a bunch of little mechanics that change every encounter while raiding is a couple mechanics for 5+ minutes

[quiet delta]

m+ requires more mechanic knowledge than raiding

i personally find raiding easier

[sick sentinel]

m+ is about trying to not get one-shot by certain mechanics

[quiet delta]

prolly cus m+ has no limit

[warm plinth]

Ehhh, there is more mechanic knowledge required at certain points of M+. You can ignore a lot of mechanics on lower keys that you can't on higher keys (or with certain affixes)

[quiet delta]

and raiding only get that hard

[warm plinth]

Like Prophecies of Doom on a 15 fortified key is perfectly healable. But on 20 your group dies

[quiet delta]

how did u just compare pve to pvp? lool

[sick sentinel]

Everyone can relate to M+ since a mythic +2 has the same mechanics as a +20. Heroic raiders cant compare heroic to mythic

[quiet delta]

doing +2 dooesnt mean u learn the mechanic at all

[sharp night]

there are only ~2k players worldwide that have 4k score, there are also 110 guilds that have cleared 11/11m, which is 2200 players

[quiet delta]

even doing 15s u dont learn mechanics cus htey can be ignored

[sick sentinel]

I didnt say

[quiet delta]

u only learn them when u get punished for not doing them correct

[sick sentinel]

that they didnt learn mechancis or not, im just saying the mechanics are the same on any difficulty level

[magic rain]

that wasn't banana's point lol

[quiet delta]

@sharp night good point

[warm plinth]

It's just a conversation. Why can't we just have it lol

[prisma crane]

Derakkor thinks he's above everyone

[warm plinth]

It's not hurting anyone

[prisma crane]

that's why

[sick sentinel]

only 2k players in the world have 4k score? i find that hard to believe

[warm plinth]

Mythic+ isn't as widely done as a lot of people think it is.

[prisma crane]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

feel like it should be much higher

[warm plinth]

The percentage of people doing M+ is actually really small

[quiet delta]

true but it is hard to learn mechanics when u the abilities does 0 dmg

[sick sentinel]

the percentage of players doing actual raiding is really small as well

[quiet delta]

so u dont know what will be important

[junior ivy]

ive been in orgrimamr for like an hour and havent seen an orc dk, undead warrior or troll rogue

[quiet delta]

before doing high keys

and mythic raiding u have lots of pulls so they know mechanics too and can read, and vids etc.. if u mean it is harder for a mythic raider to know mechanics?

[sharp night]

@sick sentinel https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-7.3.2/world/leaderboards-character/all/all/101#content

[prisma crane]

A) i count 8
B) boss counts matter, since you seem to forget that part

[quiet delta]

prolly depends when u started playing legion

[sharp night]

2037 players worldwide

[quiet delta]

if u start now

[sharp night]

with 4000 or higher

[quiet delta]

u are on scratch with both

vince u checking raider io or wowprogress?

[prisma crane]

and you're talking about M+ with a 2.3k score talking shit, for real?

[sick sentinel]

thats pretty insane. its not even that difficult to get 4k with 21s-22s on sang volcanic week

[sharp night]

r.io, the number on wowp is even lower

way lower

[prisma crane]

I'm not saying you're bad, at all, but stop raising your nose at ppl like your shit dont stink

[quiet delta]

who has a 2,3k score?

[warm plinth]

Yeah vince and I saw the sang/volc results on the M+ discord 😂

[cinder nova]

Uh...

[warm plinth]

People going from 2.5k to 6k in a week

[prisma crane]

the guy talking about how key knowledge is teh same at all difficulties

[cinder nova]

More than 4000 people have 2k+

[quiet delta]

who ever said that derak? why u triggered?

[sick sentinel]

nvm

[cinder nova]

If you read the stuff on those sites the APIs that Blizzard uses only tracks the top 100 in every region

[quiet delta]

me?

im not even talking to

[warm plinth]

Do you have a better source than that Swole?

[sharp night]

it's top 100 on every realm for every dungeon, not top 100 per region

[cinder nova]

Still that's a really small representation.

[sharp night]

and they've increased it to top 500

[quiet delta]

wow why ppl getting so upset

[cinder nova]

That's better, but still needs to expand.

[sharp night]

it's not, because to get a 4k score you have to do all 22-23 in time

[sick sentinel]

no

[sharp night]

and if you do a 22-23, you're definitely top 100 on any realm

[prisma crane]

how you handle them drastically does

[quiet delta]

so?

[warm plinth]

they don't, but some become relevant in that period

[sick sentinel]

22 on fort sang weeks = LUL

[quiet delta]

derak go do a 23+ in time at least

and then come back

plz

[warm plinth]

As I said, you can do a 15 fortified key and prophecies of doom is healable. Do a 20 and it's not

[prisma crane]

yea guys, Derakkor carries his raid team

[warm plinth]

And that's just one example

[sick sentinel]

0.o

[blazing dune]

That's enough.

[cinder nova]

People comparing M+ and raids like they're even relevantly comparable.

[timid jay]

Cut it out

[warm plinth]

On a 15 tyrannical, mana devourer's mechanics don't even matter. On a 20 you have to have immunities to soak them.

[timid jay]

all of you

[cinder nova]

WHEW LADS

[quiet delta]

u cant compare low keys to anything it is like comparing lfr to mythic

[sick sentinel]

modddds

[cinder nova]

Chat right now be like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-33xndJvL0

[sick sentinel]

M+ is different from Raiding. whats the argument?

says the guy saying fuck krotos.. wat

[cinder nova]

@timid jay By the way, we were regularly going over 15 stacks on Conflag.

[blazing dune]

I said that is enough.¨

[cinder nova]

Think that's too high?

[warm plinth]

You surviving better on Imo Swole?

[timid jay]

Personally yes, the first tick that he casts on the bridge doesnt hurt much

[warm plinth]

Curious of your progress since you've been asking in here lately

[cinder nova]

I got sat because I was blamed for not moving away from an out of position canister while slowed by an orb.

[warm plinth]

Whaaaat, 😦

[cinder nova]

Number of sleep deaths I've had is incredible.

So they took a BM to a dot fight.

zzzzzz

Just letting it happen atm.

[warm plinth]

That's a bummer

[sick sentinel]

whats harder +20 or M imonar? 😂

[cinder nova]

M Immo

[quiet delta]

+20 isn't hard

[warm plinth]

Imonar would scare the shit out of me

From the damage numbers I've seen

[quiet delta]

m+ doesn't get challenging before 23+ in my opinion

[cinder nova]

He's not that bad, just a lot of dots.

[prisma crane]

they're a lot different

[cinder nova]

And your healers and raid have to not be retarded.

[fathom hollow]

@quiet delta it's all very relative though

[prisma crane]

Imonar, if you're soaking mines is a shitload of dtps

[fathom hollow]

difficult for you is different from difficult for someone else

[warm plinth]

Yeah, both raid and M+ difficulty are subjective.

[quiet delta]

also depends on the dungeon mate, affixes, and if u mean in general , or boss or thrash

[cinder nova]

Pretty much.

[warm plinth]

The better you and your fellow players are, the easier it is in both cases.

[fathom hollow]

but yea once you get into the low 20s its a decent jump in difficulty

[prisma crane]

group comp matters too though once you get that high Twi

[quiet delta]

comparing a boss to a difficulty is a little bit too wide i would say:)

[cinder nova]

I dunno, most +20s you're not going to have to take 50+ pulls to kill a boss or clear it.

[quiet delta]

yes that is true krotos

[prisma crane]

and if ppl in your group dont put out the numbers then it's all impossible

[quiet delta]

but group comps also matters a bit on mythic raiding

[cinder nova]

So it seems indicative of relative difficulty that average pull to clear ratios are way out of swing.

[prisma crane]

agreed

[quiet delta]

at least in the start when it was challenging

[warm plinth]

I guess that depends on how you look at it. A lot of those world first guys do actually do progression

[prisma crane]

but not quite as critically

[warm plinth]

On M+

[prisma crane]

it just affects strats

[quiet delta]

method killed mythic coven without any melee their first kill

[cinder nova]

Whew

[prisma crane]

limit*

[quiet delta]

also seat is harder than the other dungs

[cinder nova]

Stacked to fuck

[prisma crane]

well, all of first kills i believe

[sick sentinel]

method has the ability to pick who thehy want also

[cinder nova]

Seat is cancer.

I hate it.

[prisma crane]

Seat isnt THAT bad

[quiet delta]

try do a 25 seat in time lol

[prisma crane]

but it's def rough

[cinder nova]

It's not, but I hate the layout.

[warm plinth]

Still haven't done it on Mythic XD

[prisma crane]

it requires everyone to know all the mechanics

[cinder nova]

The layout tilts the fuck outta my tism yo

[quiet delta]

ye also it brings new mechanics on thrash etc. that ppl are not used to

[prisma crane]

trash*

yea, like

dont move lol

[quiet delta]

well not completely new, but slightly differnt

[prisma crane]

that one is rough for ppl

[quiet delta]

heh

[prisma crane]

same with the constant circles to move out of

[quiet delta]

ye usually it is about moving

[warm plinth]

Wait, which ones do you not move for?

[quiet delta]

yeah

and u can't rly eat

cus stuff hits u and adds spawn lul

or dirnk

drink*

[warm plinth]

I've watched a bunch of videos but I must have missed that part

[quiet delta]

but best is to just chain cc obv

[sharp night]

subjugators do a thing called suppression field

that you want to avoid moving if possible

[quiet delta]

i have barely watched any vids or guides for either raiding or m+ i just go in blind xd learn by fuckups ftw

[sharp night]

damages you and everyone within 6yds of you

every time you move

also slows you by 70% or so

[quiet delta]

ye that one sucks for melee when tank decides to move the pack away from ur reach after u got the debuff xD

i always try to quickly stun so he cant

[warm plinth]

Oh okay

[quiet delta]

but in my exp after 23+ it is almost a must with discord

voice communication

for timing interupts , cc etc.

or a guy calling out who to interupt next

[timid jay]

Yeah, voice helps immensly once you start getting higher

Same really goes for anything thats up on the difficulty scale

[quiet delta]

y

[ebon hemlock]

@vast sedge hi I was looking at your parses and noticed u die a lot, do u die to parse?

[true bear]

like 4manning 22s?

[final mist]

He does Sensations

[timid jay]

I heard this AJ guy has a loud voice

[ebon hemlock]

wrong

Only to mages and healers

[shut summit]

😬

[prisma crane]

no @ebon hemlock he's dying to help ret pallies parse, obv

[vast sedge]

WTF IS THIS

[prisma crane]

rofl

[quiet kettle]

still better than my guild's holy/disc priest

[quiet delta]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-7.3.2/all/world/leaderboards wow they began during 28s now.. not in time yet though.

[quiet kettle]

he has a special discord title: lord gray parse

[quiet delta]

yeah all the high ones are without tyrannical

[prisma crane]

yea, been watching Frag do M+ today, they did 7 27s last wk

they almost did a 27 lower in time

[warm plinth]

Wow

[prisma crane]

but fucked up on moroes

tyrannical btw

[warm plinth]

Meanwhile my PUGs can't even do a 15 in time 😭

[quiet delta]

i imagine a 28 with tyrranical is almost like a mythic raid boss sort of just with too few ppl ^^

[prisma crane]

well

[warm plinth]

I wonder if we'll see a 30 in time before the end of the expansion

[prisma crane]

last boss in Seat on a 26 has 2.5B hp

[timid jay]

Meanwhile we did a +22 lower karazhan in 67min

4Head

[quiet delta]

where can i check it

[prisma crane]

lol

[timid jay]

Tbf, we were only 4 people

[quiet delta]

the hps

[timid jay]

after maiden

[junior ivy]

where is the DK home?

[true bear]

we should've gone 2 healers 1 tank 1 dps

[prisma crane]

just go in on a M+0 and do math

xavius has a fuckton too

[warm plinth]

Not to mention at that difficulty on tyrannical he's one-shotting people with nightmare bolts through prydaz AND murdering people with Feed on the Weak

[prisma crane]

mhm

[warm plinth]

Almost an RNG fight at that point, praying that the tank gets most of them

[prisma crane]

also true

[quiet delta]

krotos was that with or without tyrranical the 2,5b?

[prisma crane]

tyrannical

[timid jay]

Takes double damage though?

[warm plinth]

Yeah I imagine she has a ton of health because of the backlash phases

[timid jay]

Or something

[true bear]

it has a p2 he takes normal dmg from 50% to dead or something like that

[prisma crane]

for liek

20 sec total

[warm plinth]

Yeah, 100% more damage for 12(?) seconds twice in the fight

[quiet delta]

i think it is mathematically impossible, or else the top teams had done it..

[true bear]

the extra dmg is while he does the portals

[prisma crane]

there's also adds

[quiet delta]

the best team on eu are from the method roster that got WF argus

not all but many of them

[prisma crane]

when they were trying the 26, he was draining to heal at over 2m hps just to live with the debuff once stacks got high

[warm plinth]

The adds trigger the extra damage though; there aren't any adds in P2 are there? But you have to soak the purple thing amongst the purple shit or something?

[prisma crane]

they wiped under 5% and him on his lock was over 950k hps overall

it's just insane dmg

[warm plinth]

vince was telling me about a run a while back on like a 23 (before the CR changes) where the healer had to suicide twice because of running out of mana on the last boss lol

[prisma crane]

yep

[quiet delta]

wow

do mythic raiding guilds even look at m+ score when checking through applications or they dont care?

[warm plinth]

I would imagine they don't care

[quiet delta]

hmm

[sick sentinel]

they dont care

[prisma crane]

a lot of super high keys is a combo of skill and cheese

[sick sentinel]

it would give you bonus points i guess. since it shows you are dedicated to working with a team

[agile vessel]

or just alot of time to do keys lol

[prisma crane]

doesnt really matter much for most raid environments

[daring aspen]

raids ≠ m+

[prisma crane]

and that too Delen

[timid jay]

I personally just look at raid logs and if they actually put any effort into a application

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

I guess if nothing else it tells you you can raid for 3+ hours a night 😂

[quiet delta]

i mean if he has same xp raid wise why not pick the one with high score, since it shows he knows his class and mechanics in pressed situations at least, and not just knows a good rotation.

ok

[warm plinth]

Idk, if it were me and they have good Mythic raiding experience, I don't think i'd see any reason to look past that

[timid jay]

Very rare that you get that similar experience applying at the same time

Even then I'd rather look at raid performance and how often they swap guilds

[daring aspen]

because m+ and raids have no relation to eachother, people that like raiding might not enjoy m+

[timid jay]

Swapping as often as Corejo is a big nono

@raven ore

[raven ore]

reee

[true bear]

@timid jay next time a tank applies you're benched

[prisma crane]

not to mention there's a lot more repetition in raids than M+

[warm plinth]

lol!

[prisma crane]

and more ppl to rely on

[true bear]

bonus points if it's another warrior

[timid jay]

Didnt get get a tank application this week?

[true bear]

yeah 1/11 dk 🤔

[sick sentinel]

Getting into a guild as a tank 🤔

[true bear]

honestly just get him in so i can bench myself, funggramar 🔫

[daring aspen]

ye you cant do a countdown u shitter @true bear

[true bear]

they dont teach us counting in dk school

also fuck your cooldowns

[timid kite]

Bois, first boss nelth, spell reflect not work on the shards?

[timid jay]

You can sidestep it

It doesnt follow you

[tribal shale]

holy shit guys

amanthul's vision does not count as a leggo slot?

[timid jay]

Nope it doesnt

[tribal shale]

holy shit

it's more op than I thought

[timid kite]

jesus, that's something new, i've always just facetanked piercing shards on my dh, never died lmao first time 17 on warr there and die, couldn't understand why

[warm plinth]

What? Why would you facetank piercing shards? He literally knocks you back beforehand; just charge in and stun him and you take zero damage.

[true bear]

He means the first boss not the small ones

[warm plinth]

Oh

[tribal shale]

if it the boss then just dodge

[timid kite]

lmao

[warm plinth]

Idk, I just heroic leap or sidestep it. No reason to get hit

[tribal shale]

you're not supposed to get hit by shards on boss

[warm plinth]

even on DH/DK

[timid kite]

yea, just jesus, how have I never known that, done that dungeon so many times scrublord supreme

[warm plinth]

Eh, I learn new shit every day that shocks me.

One of the things I love about M+ is learning all the little mechanics and tricks you didn't know about before

[tribal shale]

everytime I run votw

everytime I run votw

the first pack of trashs

i always learn a new spell

[warm plinth]

😂

It took a while for me to learn about the Fel Gaze or whatever it's called on the trash before 1st boss because I had to have bad DPS that didn't kill him before he casts it.

[quiet kettle]

my group re-discovered a mythic mechanic from maw during necrotic tyrannical

[warm plinth]

Which one?

[quiet kettle]

the skeletons on the first boss

[warm plinth]

😂

[quiet kettle]

can be reduced by soaking the puddles

[timid jay]

Oh

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[timid jay]

I have never known that

[warm plinth]

Didn't know what?

[quiet kettle]

that soaking the purple puddles he spawns reduces the skeleton count

[timid jay]

^

[warm plinth]

Ah. Do you even do M+ Cosmo? 🤔

[timid jay]

Yes, very much

Always m+, every day

[warm plinth]

Oh

[true bear]

🤔

[quiet kettle]

its not a problem unless its necrotic tyrannical week

then it became a problem

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean it's not worth doing unless it's necrotic anyway so it's not really that surprising that you wouldn't know

[timid jay]

@true bear Can confirm I was a god at knowing tactics back in WoD

[true bear]

at least some % of the tactics

or that there was a boss where we were going

[quiet kettle]

shotsfired

[undone sun]

same, i did all the callouts for my raid in WoD, being a hunter main everything was easy

🙃

[timid jay]

On farm kills for manneroth

[tribal shale]

DKs have acherus dape, so the skeletons are not a problem at all

[timid jay]

I learned that the tank ability was 3 attacks in a row

That was mythic farm

[true bear]

i did a 22 maw this week and aside from dark slash being a bit spooky, the skellies hit like trucks

on tyrannical

[daring aspen]

you also had a max titanforge armageddon unenchanted for 2 weeks as a dk

[timid jay]

Armageddon 🤔
cataclysms edge

[daring aspen]

same shit

[timid jay]

DK enchant is expensive and not that good anyway

Right?

[tribal shale]

how do you even survive 22 dark slash?

without spell reflect

[timid jay]

Hes a DK

[true bear]

step 1. Be a dk

step 2. Take 18mil dmg and have 9 left

[daring aspen]

Step 2 die to second to last boss in BRH

[quiet kettle]

i feel BRH is one of the places prot actually shines

[tribal shale]

i mean as prot

[timid jay]

LS+SW maybe? Its gonna hit like a truck

Or having a pet class taunt off works as well

[true bear]

Well if you have a warlock in party they can use infernal to taunt every single slash

[tribal shale]

put that will be 1 dark slash

[true bear]

so i guess invite a warlock

[tribal shale]

he casts it like eveyr 10 secs

[timid jay]

You basiaclly need legs or a pet class that can keep tauning for high tyrannical keys there

[tribal shale]

legs are the one that gives SR and additional charge?

[quiet kettle]

dark slash can be reduced by blocking thou

[timid jay]

yup

[quiet kettle]

iirc

[tribal shale]

yea that seems good

[timid jay]

iirc it cant

[daring aspen]

does legs give 100% uptime on shield block?

[tribal shale]

blocked? i thought it was only SRed

[true bear]

hmm you might be thinking of pala with holy shield blocking spells

[timid jay]

@undone sun block master, dark slash in MoS cant be blocked right? Only reflected?

[true bear]

or maybe @timid jay can't use his shield right

[undone sun]

pretty sure

only reflect

[timid jay]

Thats a different issue Baelath

[undone sun]

though being shadow damage i wouldn't be surprised

[quiet kettle]

yon, legs dont give 100% uptime, just an additional charge

[timid jay]

Yon is memeing you

[tribal shale]

wait i thought only physical could be blocked

[timid jay]

There are cases where you can block shadow damage

[true bear]

like felhounds

[timid jay]

Add on KJ and on mistress for example

and yeah, the maws on felhounds

[daring aspen]

wtf mistress had shadow dmg?

[undone sun]

Not all Blockable damage is Physical
Not all Physical damage is Blockable

the eels melees were shadow damage

also blockable

[daring aspen]

ahh i never heal tanks anyway so never checked

[true bear]

^ and that's why i died in brh

[daring aspen]

from 100%

[undone sun]

just checked logs to be sure @timid jay not blockable

[tribal shale]

the link on pins says dark is slash is reflectable

[timid jay]

Ty fam

[tribal shale]

nothing about blockable

[undone sun]

yes

but it came up because it's shadow damage

[timid jay]

Well, Thyme is the one maintaining it and he wasnt entierly sure 😛

[undone sun]

^

[tribal shale]

hm

i'll test it later on a reg mythic

[undone sun]

honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was blockable, plenty of other shadow damage that;s blockable

https://i.imgur.com/XqXSe4y.png

first log i checked

SB up and no block

[quiet kettle]

its also cause theres always sumthing from a different dmg type we can block

[timid jay]

Thats nowhere close to your armor screenshot or whatever it was, where all scenarios were pefectly covered in like 4 lines

[quiet kettle]

most melee type attacks are blockable after all

[undone sun]

lol yeah

that was a near perfect scenario

[timid jay]

Can remember what it was about, but damn it was sexy

[glacial sage]

What are the haste breakpoints?

[daring aspen]

0 % and 100%

[glacial sage]

c00l

[timid jay]

20%, 50%, 100%

Add some haste for latency and reaction times

[glacial sage]

rip, 45%

[timid jay]

People tend to say ~25%

[daring aspen]

so i was almost correct

[timid jay]

50/50, either you were right or you were wrong

[daring aspen]

yupp

[junior ivy]

for last boss on NL.. how do i not die?

[daring aspen]

and i was correct on 100% so that makes 0% also correct?

[undone sun]

what're you dying to

[junior ivy]

um

like everything

i got lost last time

i got lost and i was like insdie the boss

and couldnt see where i was

or which direction to face

and panicked

[timid jay]

Landslide you keep Shield block up for, molten crash you can either Spell reflect or use SB for and then you hide behind the pillars he spawns for the magma wave

You can intercept back to the boss after the landslide and he shouldnt move much if any at all

[true bear]

He does magma wave when he reaches full energy