protection

[oblique pike]

yea basically none of the offensive points matter, its so bad

[timid jay]

Its all about those shadowbinds/TTW's

[stone imp]

I believe bastion, from a defensive side is really the only thing worth going after if you value a third tier relic, otherwise focus ilvl and 2nd tier.

[oblique pike]

mhmm, i didnt know it was this bad. last time i tried this, it wasnt nearly as bad. but this was pre-t21 which i think makes it a lot worse

[stone imp]

Yeah. However, this is onpar with other classes. If you checkout the sims for those that are reliable (prot pally, blood DK) most 3rd tier are worth similar values to ours. The only exception seems to be facepalm for brewmasters which is ridiculously overbudgeted

Consecration in flame for pallies is also pretty worthwhile

[oblique pike]

yea i have spreadsheets for dk, druid, warrior, and monk. druid's jagged claws and viscous bites arent actually that bad

[stone imp]

Ah yeah, druid has some

but in comparison to most, they're all pretty small gains these days.

[oblique pike]

but yea dk at best is dance of darkness, but their numbers for t2 are much better

[stone imp]

So, if you only ever run mythic+ and you get all rage of the fallen, you might make a case for some small DPS gains, but even then, it won't be make or break in comparison to 2nd tier.

So, I stopped stressing and generally just put in the highest ilvl relics and hope 2nd tier has TTW or don't get murderous intent.

[oblique pike]

ok thanks for the convo. just needed some verification. i dont visit here often since i swapped toons, but i like to keep up once in a while. sorry if this question gets asked a lot

wouldnt be an issue if we had working sims 😢

[stone imp]

I wonder how that's going. Perhaps I (or someone) could help.

[oblique pike]

didnt we go through all of TOS without working sims either?

iirc, its been quite a while since we've had working sims

[prisma crane]

early NH afaik

[thorny laurel]

Shadowbind is the shit for prot warrior, finally reached rank 1 on normal and heroic and that might be because of my relics

Have been farming my ass of for shadowbind relics with revenge damage and thunderclap damage

its worth it tho, since the dps gain from ilvl on relics is so tiny

[warm plinth]

👋

[long bronze]

hey guys

soul or wall fell?

just got wall

[warm plinth]

Wall if you're tier locked and can't use gloves. But probably also Wall if you have T21 2pc (or more) because you won't be able to weave properly.

[graceful dagger]

Should I use Prydaz or Insignia of the Grand Army?

I'm using Thundergods Vigor as my 2nd legendary

[warm plinth]

Most likely Insignia, if that's your only options

[thorny laurel]

Depends if you have decent tier 2 traits

[long bronze]

yeah I don't have gloves or bracers (just belt soul, wall, aggramars, and shoulders)

feels bad

[warm plinth]

Do you have 2pc T21?

[long bronze]

yes

4 set actually

[warm plinth]

Definitely belt+wall then

[long bronze]

sweet

how strong is 4 set for ilvl?

because my other 2 pieces are shit LRF shoulders and helm

LFR*

[warm plinth]

It's stronger in M+ but I don't know that I'd lose ilevel for the 4pc in any situation; at least not much.

2pc is very strong though

For the 4pc I'd probably do some testing on it yourself and see which setup feels more comfortable (4pc vs 2pc+higher offset pieces)

[long bronze]

will do thank you

[last loom]

new prot warrior anyone can give me some wa's or some stuff to start out general stuff, mitigation cds on stuff ragebar e.t.c?

[warm plinth]

There are some general purpose WAs in the #ui-addons-manager channel pins.

[sick sentinel]

whats the stats for the mastery 100% block build?

[warm plinth]

23k mastery

And it's 100% critical block, not 100% block

[sick sentinel]

yeah i suppose so, that would be busted

[last loom]

whats the difference

betrween criticval block and normal

[sick sentinel]

you cant crit block everytime

its like a crit hit

except block

[warm plinth]

A critical block is double a normal block. With the 100% mastery build, you critically block every time you block (which is every blockable hit while Shield Block is up, or 50% of the time when it's not).

So with 7/7 Bastion of the Aspects traits, you would reduce every blockable hit by 88% with the 100% mastery build.

[sick sentinel]

bummer

im at 90% mastery lol

[thorny laurel]

with how much haste?

[sick sentinel]

20%

7.6k haste with 20.8 k mast

[thorny laurel]

thats a lot of mastery, just a problem you shield block uptime will be kinda meh with that kind of haste

[sick sentinel]

yeah this isnt y normal build I just wanted to see how high I could get my mastery

[warm plinth]

Uptime won't be that bad as far as when it's needed. You just won't have it to use as freely during downtime for DPS purposes.

[undone sun]

yeah it's only ever considered for say mythic argus, otherwise not really needed

[warm plinth]

It's a meme build for the most part

[sick sentinel]

cool thing is I still get to use 2p t21

[thorny laurel]

or get nh 2 piece for 10% lul

[long bronze]

tfw I have 10k crit because my itemization is trashcan

err 12k actually

[glacial sage]

jesus

wtf

[long bronze]

YUP

[glacial sage]

what is your %?

[long bronze]

35

[glacial sage]

rip

[long bronze]

YUP

[glacial sage]

haste?

[long bronze]

33 :/

[glacial sage]

Okay, so not that bad

What are you lacking in?

[long bronze]

3k mastery topkek

[glacial sage]

lol

what is the %?

[long bronze]

24

[glacial sage]

You need to put that crit somewhere else

[long bronze]

trust me I know

[glacial sage]

If you had 100% crit though, you would have constant beserker

[long bronze]

#thedream

[tranquil sand]

If you had to choose between a 940 pantheon tank trinket, 935 eye of felhounds and 910 shifting cosmic sliver mainly form+ but occasionally some hc tanking, which 2 would you choose?

[thorny laurel]

pantheoon and eye

for obvious reasons

[prisma crane]

you can delete your SCS

even if it was 985

[long bronze]

hey guys when choosing rings

what would you take - 20 ilvls with haste and crit (primary crit) or 20 less ilvl with haste mast split even

[last loom]

https://gyazo.com/0db09525d1b8c48ffec3369b605e4fb3 would you say this name is okayish

making a void elf prot warrior

[prisma crane]

sounds like it's not the correct gender it wanted to be

but also likes shaking around to music

[last loom]

It also rhimes with the old warrior play style

stancedance

from like wotlk times when u played warrior

[prisma crane]

trancedance

[round vortex]

@long bronze I'd probably go the haste mastery ring. Hard to say tho without the exact numbers. Have u got a SS u can post with them both? go go paint job

[long bronze]

yeah 1 sec

[analog stirrup]

do any of you have a weakaura to track smouldering on mythic felhounds? i did look at wago, but couldn't find anything that looked good

[long bronze]

vs ....

[last loom]

my warrior has only played arms and fury before are there any useful "neutral legendaries?

[slim sigil]

Definitly the rage-heal bracers

[warm plinth]

Bracers are the BiS survival legendary

[long bronze]

I'm trying to cheese bracer drop as fury

[warm plinth]

@long bronze Use the 940 ring

[long bronze]

okay I figured because the ilvl but feels bad to have so much crit

ty

[last loom]

https://gyazo.com/5a526ac26795358138bb15a6f44e1436 what would you use

[warm plinth]

20 ilevels on jewelry is typically an upgrade and the fact that it also has like 2.x% crit more than the other one just cements the choice

[last loom]

these are all i h ave

[warm plinth]

For what content?

I mean, most of them will just be stat sticks if they're off-spec leggos

[last loom]

dunno gonna reroll prot

[warm plinth]

I don't know all the icons by heart. Sephuz isn't bad in M+

[slim sigil]

prydaz is good for tanking

[last loom]

dont have prydaz

[warm plinth]

Eh, not really. It's mostly wasted for us

And only 15% absorb as opposed to 30% for non-tanks

[slim sigil]

well

when I say good

I mean ok

better than nothing

[last loom]

i have sephuz wrists and class ring

[warm plinth]

Do you have tier?

[last loom]

those are the only neutral ones

me?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[last loom]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/ravencrest/tektah

here is what i use

im arms

atm

[warm plinth]

Okay I wouldn't use T20 without having T21 2pc, unless you don't have higher ilevel offset

[last loom]

this character was ambadoned in tomb

[warm plinth]

Legendary-wise, I'd go bracers/class ring for now

[timber nest]

Diimas vs a 985 pantheon trinket

[long bronze]

maybe do bracers/sephuz in m+?

[timber nest]

for m+

[long bronze]

doesn't panth trinket blow huge nuts

[timber nest]

its 4.5k strength

[last loom]

actually

i do have 2piece

from new tier

[long bronze]

yeah so then do panth for dps otherwise use dilmas?

[last loom]

legs and cloak 945, 930

[warm plinth]

Then probably bracers/sephuz

[last loom]

should i run 2set 2set?

[long bronze]

t21 2 set is god tier

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can do 2+2

[last loom]

i could run

4set 2set

but would gimp my chest ilvl

from 975 to 915

[long bronze]

prob not worth it

you can always just try out both and see what feels better to you

[warm plinth]

4-set 2-set is amazing defensively

And is probably better than anything you have off-set

I'm assuming you mean 4pc T20 and 2pc T21 right?

[cinder nova]

So what can I do on M Imonar to reduce my damage taken

Because the dots are just obliterating me

outside of CDs that is

[long bronze]

don't skip leg day

[ruby berry]

Are you clearing a bridge @cinder nova ?

As in, when you go and pop everything so the raid can follow after?

@cinder nova If not, plan all your available CDs around your highest dmg intakes, which to me is Platform 2(4 stacks of bomb + 2 Sever Debuffs) and lasts ~30 seconds. The last Platform can lead to some higher damage intake as well but not nearly as bad and your CDs will most likely be up or close to up again.

[cinder nova]

I take way more damage on the 3rd platform than any other

But that's probably because our healers are flipping out and we have 18+ stacks

Doesn't help that our melee are panicking and not moving with cannister

[round vortex]

ahhh i thought you said "haste and crit (primary crit)" I'd actually keep them both but use the 940 ring in most situations. probably the other one for Argus. @long bronze

[long bronze]

noted, thanks man

[cinder nova]

Thoughts on the datamined changes to warrior?

Never Surrender might become worthwhile

Seems everyone's getting damage cuts

[warm plinth]

Idk. I prefer not to speculate until we have some overall information. Spell changes mean nothing without context.

[cinder nova]

I can't imagine why.

Keeping abreast and forming very preliminary ideas on the current 8.0 changes that were mined doesn't seem like a total waste of time.

Sure it's nothing concrete, but I can't imagine there's harm comitting a freckle of though to what these changes may impact and how it may shape us going forward.

[warm plinth]

"I prefer". I never said it was a waste of time or that other people can't do it.

It's just my opinion.

[cinder nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I just hope they increase our RPM since SB will have a 35 rage cost.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, either that or something has to fundamentally change where we won't need it as often.

[cinder nova]

Maybe. Nothing in terms of passives seems to really be indicative of that, ALTHOUGH

lemme see if I can find it

It looks like Def Stance might resurface

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I saw that

[cinder nova]

But it doesn't appear that it's changing anything math-wise

So I'm curious to see if anything else gets wrapped up into it

[warm plinth]

Yeah. I'm remaining optimistic, because I really love our current playstyle and was kinda bummed when I first read the changes, especially to SB and IP

So hopefully they can keep the flow the same at least

[cinder nova]

I doubt it will be.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but we'll see. I don't mind starting from scratch so I'll just play what I find fun

[cinder nova]

They could still scrap the changes to IP, but if it's survived this long since the showroom debut it might be there for good

[warm plinth]

I've started from nothing like 3 or 4 times over the years.

[cinder nova]

don't even have to start from 0

just dump your 110 boost on something you wanna play

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I'm just saying I have, so rerolling is nothing

Yeah I'm probably holding on to that. I want to level the allied races the old fashioned way for the heritage armor

[cinder nova]

Hmmm... but looking at this change and the changes to other tanks, it looks like they're trying to slow tanks down.

[warm plinth]

So I'll save the boost when I figure out what I want to play, assuming I don't already have it at 110

I already have 5 of the tank classes at 110, with 4 of them geared as tanks

[modest crest]

You know what’s stupid? The way we get our hidden artifact appearance

Read through a tablet then go to a cave every day until a spawn triggers...bleh

[junior ivy]

i asked in this chat how to get hidden artifact appearance, they t old me to go to cave, i went, adn there it was. if only i always that luck

[modest crest]

I have no idea how long it’s gonna take me. I just hate doing dumb stuff like that. So far almost a week

I just think it should be something cooler than walking into a cave. Would much rather have to have some kind of activity or event for it

[junior ivy]

question which is easier this week, BRH 16 or lower kara 15?

[modest crest]

Its of course the coolest skin and I didn’t realize that’s how you unlocked it so I just started looking into it

According to wow head it seems they fixed it in a patch or hot fix

Sounds like you just walk in once per day and hope it’s there

Yeah it could be worse for sure. Just wish it was more exciting

[little rain]

+5 Weapon levels vs Master of Shadows 🤔

[junior ivy]

I JUST WON AN ARENA SKIRMISH

[barren current]

blekh gnome spits on u

[junior ivy]

heyy be nice i just got this mount!

[warm plinth]

I mean, idk when they would have fixed it or why. The macro was just a script that let you know which daily quest was completed when you walked into the cave (either the pass meaning the appearance is there, or the fail meaning it's not).

It basically told you the same thing that the presence or absence of the emote tells you: is the item in the cave or not.

[timber nest]

https://gyazo.com/9909120e93549daa14034444d5572a3e

you think the 940 ring would be worth?

[warm plinth]

Nope

Other two are higher ilevel, and still have haste on them. I'd go for the higher ones. I don't think anyone would call you an idiot for using the 940 instead of the 950 if you really wanted the haste, but I personally wouldn't make the switch.

[junior ivy]

2 female gnome warriors in my m+ group

[barren current]

/barfs

[junior ivy]

😦

[barren current]

looks like 2 small sized children to me

[deft sapphire]

I’m thinking of race changing my warrior to female gnome too @junior ivy

[junior ivy]

@deft sapphire omg you gotta do it ❤

also i just 2 chested brh +15 !!!!!

i think.. i think i might like tyrannical more than fortified now

[rancid pier]

Congrats

[junior ivy]

thanks! 😄

tyrannical isnt even so scary anymore

[warm plinth]

Have I showed you my 3rd monk @junior ivy?

[junior ivy]

noo show me

[warm plinth]

She's still a baby though; only level 32

[junior ivy]

aww cute lil monk ❤

[warm plinth]

She has pink pigtails but I forgot to xmog her helm away

[junior ivy]

ugh i wish my m+ score would update

[warm plinth]

I really have been slacking on mine lately. Still in the 1500s

pugging is just so frustrating that I needed a break.

[junior ivy]

im confused about something raider.io related

my last brh was +16, not in the timer, not even close to timer

[lone umbra]

any advice on how to handle mythic imonar bridge transitions? we sent an immune class in a warlock portal and such but getting to the boss in general is just very difficult with that wind...reluctant to use aggramar's stride...

[junior ivy]

tonight i did brh +15, 2 chest timer

will it give me more score?

its lower level but better time

[warm plinth]

Probably, but it depends on how far out of the timer you were on the 16

[junior ivy]

over 10 mins

[warm plinth]

Oh, then almost definitely

[junior ivy]

kkkkk good

SERIOUSLY?

2 POINTS AWAY?

[warm plinth]

lol!

That's no good XD

[junior ivy]

omggg

gotta do arcway i think..

[warm plinth]

Oooooffff, that Seat key is brutal

[junior ivy]

https://raider.io/characters/us/rexxar/Hill

lol my 1 hour 41 min seat?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[junior ivy]

hahahah yeeeeah..

that was bad

[warm plinth]

You realize you could do a +10 Seat and it'd be a better score lol

If it was in time

[junior ivy]

i had a +10 seat.

and it got replaced with that score

my +10 was even lower score

lol

[warm plinth]

The +10 was in time?

[junior ivy]

nope

ive never done any seat key in time

[warm plinth]

Oh, I meant in time lol. +10 should be like...90ish probably? If you in-timed it

[junior ivy]

ill never in time it

i hate seat

[warm plinth]

Or no, +10 in time is like 100

[junior ivy]

i got lower kara 15, could try and do that in timer

[warm plinth]

lol

Honestly I hate lower karazhan

The fact that it was my first KSM dungeon is shocking to m

me

[junior ivy]

my first was votw

[warm plinth]

I like VotW a lot

Especially on tyrannical

[junior ivy]

votw is best dungeon in legion

[warm plinth]

The second part was intended to be sarcastic. Because pugs can't kill Gazer on tyrannical

[junior ivy]

my sister got votw 17 key

will prob try it tomororw

[warm plinth]

I like Nelth and Cath the best

[junior ivy]

i like votw and eoa

[warm plinth]

EoA is one I struggle with on tyrannical too

Or rather, the people in my pugs struggle with

[junior ivy]

i did eoa 14 with guildies once and spent over an hour on last boss

on tyrannical

this was back during tos times

[warm plinth]

Jesus

[junior ivy]

or maybe even nh times

i forget

[warm plinth]

It's always the first or last boss I struggle with

[junior ivy]

end of nh/early tos ish

[warm plinth]

I spent like 90 minutes in a +7 Eye once because the healer left on our way to the 2nd boss (no reason; run was going smoothly to that point)

We were determined to 4-man it just because

So we made the 842 boomkin carry go out and change to resto

[junior ivy]

hahaha

[warm plinth]

I was doing like 70% of boss DPS on my windwalker every fight lol

[junior ivy]

the brh 15 i just did went amazing, expected slow chill run, no need to beat timer, justr finish

then bam, 2 chested

[warm plinth]

Dang, the 14 eye that my pug failed would have been great for my score. I don't even have an Eye key on my warrior x_x

Ugliest raider.io ever

Such is my warrior's luck with PUGs

[junior ivy]

im super picky about pugs now

960 ilvl and 2k score only

and must be nice people

[warm plinth]

Damn, guess I can't join any of your PUGs 😭

[junior ivy]

lots of angry people ignore the 'nice people only' line 😦

[warm plinth]

I bet they do.

My best is 1588 with 958 ilevel D:

But mainly because I've been suuuuper lazy with keys the last few weeks

[junior ivy]

ill tank some for ya if you ever want

[warm plinth]

Most of my toons are tanks; that's why we don't group much :p

Only two non-tanks I still play are my mistweaver and my windwalker

[junior ivy]

oh lol

i gotta work on my fury

[hard wyvern]

6% on M Agg tonight, so close

Poor bdk's putting in work on that boss lol

[prisma crane]

yea our best was only 17% 😦

but hey, new record for CoS key lol

[mortal carbon]

so yesterday i needed to tank cause our tank had internet problems coven and died to the third stack with what i can mitigate the hit?

nf sb last stand shield wall shout?

[junior ivy]

i need a cos key

😦

[prisma crane]

just got a 23 on time

by 10 sec lol

[deft sapphire]

@mortal carbon spell reflect

[junior ivy]

omg

23 on time

grats

[deft sapphire]

It’s not blockable iirc but it’s magic damage

[warm plinth]

Nice Krotos

[prisma crane]

yea, spell reflect is your friend there, combined with a DS you wont even lose IP

[junior ivy]

krotos my new m+ score is 1998 lol

SO CLOSE.

[prisma crane]

wooiT!

[warm plinth]

I'm still chilling at 1588 ✊

[prisma crane]

got me to 2875

[warm plinth]

Warrior is even worse than that

My war is 1093

[prisma crane]

23 CoS 16 BRH...

[warm plinth]

Is there even an easy affix combo for BRH? Like, this week might actually be the only easyish combo for that dungeon

[deft sapphire]

This week is ok

[prisma crane]

this one would make it pretty easy

[junior ivy]

brh was easy for me tonight

[prisma crane]

so havoc DH op for third boss

[deft sapphire]

Sanguine/bolstering/necrotic are struggles esp for warrior tanks

[warm plinth]

And they had to create a new affix combo to get this week's affixes

[junior ivy]

i did brh +15, while carriyng my sister who died every single boss

and we still 2 chested

[prisma crane]

just have them blade dance right before charge

no dmg taken

[warm plinth]

Wait what? lol

[prisma crane]

yea

[warm plinth]

Can they do that with any other mechanics?

[prisma crane]

lots

[deft sapphire]

Yeah I think feral can too but they lose dps

[warm plinth]

With displacer?

[prisma crane]

the lines on last boss in CoS

[deft sapphire]

Anything dodgeable

[warm plinth]

Wow

[deft sapphire]

The knockback on xakal

[prisma crane]

can double jump orbs in Upper and have them pop over your head

[deft sapphire]

Ferals get dodge chance when they shift to bear I think

[warm plinth]

Oh

Yeah it's when they shift out of cat

[mortal carbon]

mgll really?

[warm plinth]

100% dodge for like 3 seconds

[mortal carbon]

oh fuck me

[warm plinth]

I love learning new M+ tricks 😍

[deft sapphire]

Yes you wanna sr, or other damage reductions block is irrelevant

[mortal carbon]

how is the hit build 100% magic/physical

[warm plinth]

I knew DH could do shit with Fel Rush but didn't know Blade Dance worked

Then again, DH don't use Blade Dance right now :p

[mortal carbon]

well switched to my bear and ezz first kill 😦

[deft sapphire]

The hit is all magic

Bears are much worse at taking it, if you know about that

[mortal carbon]

well 😄

i'm just retarded case closed

[undone sun]

at least you said it

[mortal carbon]

it'S about thyme?

other question you stick with 4p 2p for those fights or worth it cause of ilvl to switch to higher ilvl?

[deft sapphire]

Don’t worry bears are better at coven anyway cause of balance affinity and op bear cleave/multidotting

[mortal carbon]

one dd tanked the purple one so a bit risky

[sacred hill]

Is there any value to gaming my swing timer?

[undone sun]

no

[sacred hill]

OK ty

[prisma crane]

thank god for that too

[warm plinth]

^ Preach

[mortal carbon]

so without 4p t20 which lego you equip bracers battlelord or legs?

[warm plinth]

1. Are those your only options?
2. Are you using 2pc T21?

[mortal carbon]

i have all legendaries just in general

[deft sapphire]

Bracers defensively always, the others depend on situation more and tier setup

[unborn island]

Anything more frustrating than 2 sub 1% wipes on vizadoom sending your +20 key from an easy +3 to a +1 >.<

[jaunty canopy]

need more spell reflects

[hazy path]

finally replaced the heroic chest with a wf m one

[jaunty canopy]

grats

[hazy path]

ty xD

[fallow knot]

hey hate to bother people with a stupid question, I'm a dumby and managed to lose some of my addons (after joking about catfriend's message about backing up lol) does anyyyyybody have a list of all the classes roots / snares? (like hunters frost trap, entangling roots from druid and what not)

guess this isn't really protection specific

of course, just found a list now. gah why do I bother asking some things. sorrrry to have bothered 😬

[warm plinth]

Shame on you @fallow knot

[fallow knot]

was going to make some weakauras to track crowd controls in five mans and my raids, but even after I found the list I was like wait wtf tehr has a WA already made just for this purpose ><

did a 15 cathedral earlier, surprised how smoothly it went. its been a long time since going in there.

[undone sun]

yeah cath is definitely a lot easier now than when it first came out

[verbal socket]

Anyone know a weakaura for interrupt rotation ? I’m asking for coven but can deal with editing some other variation

[fallow knot]

had two people that never had done it at all but still only 27 seconds over timer. I'll take it lol

[warm plinth]

Just got my pre-order!

[fallow knot]

woot

going void elf or nightborne?

[warm plinth]

Uh, I'll probably make everything except Nightborne

[timid jay]

I like how draenei and highmountain arent even an option in your mind

[warm plinth]

Why couldn't it be mechagnomes

[fallow knot]

I for some reason thought I remember worldcrusher talking about nightborne or void elf like they were his future plans or something

[warm plinth]

I was talking about one of everything except Nightborne

[timid jay]

If you're not going dark iron dwarf as alliance you're doing it wrong

[fallow knot]

ah

[warm plinth]

I can't do Dark Iron Dwarf yet

They don't unlock until a little bit into the expansion

[timid jay]

Feel free to race change twice then

[fallow knot]

LOL

[warm plinth]

I'm not race changing. I'll relevel my warrior when they unlock

[fallow knot]

anybody know if the adds on aggramar spawn in the same location everytime?

[warm plinth]

I want the heritage armor

[fallow knot]

mm heritage armor, its the only thing about the new races that appeal to me 😦

[timid jay]

its rougly the same area afaik

[fallow knot]

ty

[warm plinth]

I like the racials on void elves and HMT

the teleport and the knockdown

The knockdown is gonna be the new Arcane Torrent in BfA I think.

Honestly my biggest issue right now is wtf do I use my boost on

I am leveling a warlock already and the only other non-110s I have are rogue (no interest whatsoever), mage (meh), and shaman (which I'll probably do as an HMT with the heritage armor)

[fallow knot]

don't use your boost just to use it. I'd wait until you know for sure you're interested. probably even save it for BfA. it doesn't expire 😉

[jaunty canopy]

Soo my old boosts that were lower than 100, like 90 and stuff, are all 100 now xD

feelsamazingman

[warm plinth]

That's nifty

Could be 110 though brushes dust off shoulder

[quiet delta]

hi guys, which relic would you choose in this situation: 950will to survive+master of shadows+dragon skin VS. 940intolerance+darksorrows/secure in the light+bastion of the aspects

[warm plinth]

Bastion

[sharp steeple]

BASTION

[warm plinth]

Always bastion

[quiet delta]

kk but my other 2 relics already gives bastion, isnt it ok then?

[warm plinth]

3 relics means 88% crit block

[sharp steeple]

You want to cap bastion

[quiet delta]

ye ok

aight bastion it is then

[warm plinth]

The other relic has all survival options, and no other trait even comes close to bastion defensively

[quiet delta]

so secure in the light > dark sorrows ye?

[warm plinth]

Dark sorrows is the aoe shadow damage?

[quiet delta]

ye after 8sec though

[warm plinth]

I'm not overly impressed with that one (I have one trait of it)

But I've never had secure before

[quiet delta]

i take it that we can proc the holy bulwark from bracer heals?

[warm plinth]

Nah, probably not

[quiet delta]

or from riftword codex at least

[warm plinth]

probably from inspiring presence but that's about it

[quiet delta]

oh nice in raids then maybe

but ye the on hit dmg is almost the same as that aoe after 8sec

[warm plinth]

Yeah though I'm not sure if Secure's shield is self-only or on target

I would guess on target, in which case it might be nice for raids.

[quiet delta]

oh rip just saw i got another iron relic in my bags with toughness-shocklight-bastion instead. Should i go with that instead?

[warm plinth]

Shocklight is trash

Crit is our least valuable stat

[quiet delta]

hmm

i found one more iron relic in my bags with bastion lol

it has these vrykelshield training+chaoticdarkness/infusion of light+bastion

[warm plinth]

What is chaotic darkness

[warm plinth]

Same ilevel as the other bastion?

[quiet delta]

yeah both 940

the one with toughness and crit is 945 though

[cloud island]

hey guys what is the addon that report death detail called?

[warm plinth]

Go with the chaotic darkness one

[quiet delta]

ok+

ty for help

[warm plinth]

Sure thing

[warm plinth]

Just accomplished the ultimate falling charge. Got so close (and latency was on my side) that I was actually touching the ground before I charged and didn't die lol

[copper cedar]

so I read a lot that for dps purposes, strength is the best stat over any secondary. is that still true?
and how is this determined, when sims are not working? I trust the people here who spend a lot of time researching that stuff, still it would be nice to understand how this information is gathered.
and I know that we cannot get proper stat weights but how much better is "better"? like slightly? massively?

[timid jay]

Most dps info is given with the caviat that its based on numbers from when SimC was working

Hence why we never give exact info and its mostly guesses on our part

[copper cedar]

I see, so kinda guesstimation based on older data

[warm plinth]

Anyone know which DPS spec is better for M+? Trying to decide which one to pour my AP into now that I'm at 75 traits

Probably arms for the immunity thing?

[copper cedar]

depends on your ambitions, hu?

[fallow knot]

I believe fury is considered better but only slightly and really you will do perfectly fine as either. Both are excellent right now. Pick which one is more fun for you

[copper cedar]

for the pure dps part, but work pretty well and fury works very well with the gear we collect as prot anyway

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[fallow knot]

Or if you've got better legendaries for one spec maybe use that as a deciding factor.... As silly as that is

[warm plinth]

Shit I'm a long way from having any off-spec legendaries.

[fallow knot]

Ah. Well in that case akolons point regarding our gear is true. I like not having to swap every single piece out since the stats are

[warm plinth]

I went with fury. Thanks guys

[fallow knot]

Nice. Best of luck

[copper cedar]

you wanna try to get this elisande trinket though

[warm plinth]

Not that I'm even sorta abandoning prot

Just pouring AP into it. Not even likely that I'll ever play it

And when I do, I swear to god Convergence or something like it better not be a thing

[copper cedar]

Haha

[fallow knot]

I have an 875 cof and it's still simming best for me. I refuse to use it though hahaha

[warm plinth]

Blizzard went out of control with those stupid "you have to have this" trinkets in the last couple tiers

Draught of Souls, Convergence, Arcano

[copper cedar]

I actually hate to tank m+ for pugs. so whenever I have no guild group around, I play dps. my dps m+ score is above my prot one by now....

it´s a nice change every now and then

refreshing

[warm plinth]

I just suck at warrior DPS to be perfectly honest.

I'm that warrior that joins the group and you're expecting a lot because you saw them bursting 12 mil in the MDI and then I pull 700k

[copper cedar]

it´s all just practising

[warm plinth]

Yeah, just always loved tanking so I never really got into it except for a dungeon here and there.

I went Fury doing a dungeon with Krotos once lol. Definitely was a carry for me in that spec.

[copper cedar]

and there is hardly any reason to ever go dps these days.

since you can do all solo content as prot (maybe better than dps), you rarely have to consider an offspecc

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[copper cedar]

I sometimes enjoy a "break" but still playing my warrior. so I play offspeccs rather than alts.

less time consuming

[warm plinth]

Yeah I cut down on the number of 110s I play because it was too time consuming

I'm down to like 5 now

Was playing 9

[junior igloo]

@copper cedar
You can make some estimates.

1k strength (40k "base") -> 2.5 % more AP (~= dps)
1k haste = 2.67 % (30 % "base") -> 2.05 % more actions (~= dps)
1k vers = 2.11 % (15 % "base") -> 1.83 % dps
etc.

Some trinket effects (and occasionally other things) are not always effected by attack power and all secondaries, so it's hard to take everything into account, but we have some basic idea.

[copper cedar]

I see, that makes perfectly sense. at least to get an idea about the approach taken. with the strength part I will probably never get it right how strength and weapon dps interact with each other and if %more AP is actually %more dps (which I think to remember it is not), but since I enraged some people last time I asked, I better leave that open now :/

[tiny orchid]

is therea link for relics?

[undone sun]

there's a relic spreadsheet in the prot guide

[bright mortar]

On the SR/SB spreadsheet, Magical damages means you can reduce it but not reflect it with SR ?

I know my question is quite confusing tho xd

[warm plinth]

Correct @bright mortar It will specifically say reflectable if it's reflectable. Otherwise it's just mitigated by the 50% reduction.

[bright mortar]

kk thank you

[distant pier]

4 pc t21 with 2 pieces at 935 or use the 960 and 945 pieces and break the srt?

[junior igloo]

What boss?

[distant pier]

Mythic dogs

[junior igloo]

I'd use 4p

[distant pier]

I also only have apoc drive 955, amun and deck immoral

I was thinking apoc n amunth. Mostly bc magic smh is the main worry

Have a 920 writhing as well

Rereading the effect, writhing might be best I have this fight for 8% dmg deduct at that lvl

[copper cedar]

Your Aman'Thuls is a great choice for everything

guess a lot of people hated you the day you got it :X

[timid jay]

I dont even have the tanking one yet

smh

[distant pier]

Nah, I raid lead the team's first Argus kill, which seemed to soften the blow. I didn't even know tbh I had one of my other legos unequipped thinking I just pulled a new one. Hindsight I laugh at my naivity

[sick sentinel]

I just tested my new AHR. Gotta say i love the huge STR bonus on that trinketslot .. but that shieldeffect dissapointed me a bit as i got oneshot on Maiden hc thrashblows with 960ilvl😂

[deft sapphire]

lol you need more than ahr shield to tank that

[proper pecan]

No matter what utrinkets are if u dont block/sr maiden

Also, is details better than skada?

[deft sapphire]

i prefer details, but i used to use skada and theres nothing really wrong with it

[sick sentinel]

Haha..ye maybe it was a bit harsh way to test out the value. Anyways - had a gud laugh😁

Details for me too.. and it wasnt maiden, but her blowing thrashbuddys i tested on

Does someone actually use Soulring on prot? Just received it.

[warm plinth]

It's great defensively if you don't have T21

[sick sentinel]

Well..i got and wont drop 2p ever.

[copper cedar]

yeah, I already fear the day we will drop t21

[timid jay]

I'm already thinking about rerolling something else for BFA, doubt we'll have as much as we do now in BFA

spam will be missed

[copper cedar]

keeping the memory alive :X

There will never be such a great thing

[upper spoke]

revenge @ start of NH was pretty cool

huge skorpyrion parses or w/e that was called

and trash

[sick sentinel]

But even with 2p t21 i could imagine a noticable survivability boost from Soulring. Lets say on AOE (m+ thrash etc.) when Rev during BC is a thing..

[upper spoke]

but not the same

[copper cedar]

true, if you hadn´t to drop belt or bracers for it which is a massive survival combo on aoe

[sick sentinel]

Am i on the right track there?:grin: given i got no bracers yet.

Gosh. slow mobile. rip

[primal crypt]

@timid jay but what if they all of a sudden give us something amazing!

[distant pier]

So writhing heart/apoco drive/immortality deck for second trink?

For felhounds mythic

[timid jay]

writihing is probably the most effective for DR

[warm plinth]

Does Ignore Pain absorb happen before or after DR?

[vast sedge]

After

[warm plinth]

Thanks

[unborn island]

how many adds do you get on Aggramar in a 10 man raid? Is it still 6?

[vagrant cape]

what's the best alliance prot warrior race and why is it gnome?

but seriously, I'm debating between them right now

the extra maximum rage seems pretty nice

[sick sentinel]

Always a though question .. stoneform/shadowmelt can provide some great utility too

[unborn island]

@Byron (He/Him)#5940 Dwarf.

[tribal shale]

can someone link a swing timer wa?

[unborn island]

10% extra dr and dropping bleeds

Tyvm

[sick sentinel]

Personally i got rid of that whole discussion as i just shifted my focus on animations and classfantasy when it comes to race decisions

Dwarfs pretty cool yeah :ok_hand: But Alliance....pahh.

[unborn island]

I would also play dwarf regardless

[spare harness]

i use to be a dwarf but i got sick of my weapon clippipng threw floors

that sweet mage tower fail hidden in the floor

[iron flax]

Very annoying how it clips. Same reason I quit transmogging Armagedon in fury.

[junior igloo]

What cooldowns do you use to soak Soulbomb detonations on Argus?

[fair ingot]

Sr

[junior igloo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vGdgPkFCJ7XT6Z4Y#fight=11&type=deaths&phase=2&death=1
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vGdgPkFCJ7XT6Z4Y#fight=14&type=deaths&phase=2&death=1

[fair ingot]

Shit.

You tried so hard 
And got so far 
But in the end 
It doesn't even matter 😭

Srsly, no idea what could you do more about this.

[agile totem]

Hi all What trinkets will advise for DPS

?

[fair ingot]

Ask for wings, ironbark or smth

[noble hollow]

So, as a prot warrior, how do i get my MogIt Addon to load the extra modules for plate, cloth etc, it doesn't work anymore and i downloaded all the sub-addons

[sick sentinel]

Gotta call this heavy reprecussions @Meiffert#3125 :grin:

9% dang

[clever swift]

Sup sup, decided on playing my prot war again recently. Finally got 4p t21; is it still worth going back to ToS to scoop t20 and go 4p/2p, or is the headache, because people think they can just tunnel braindead through it, not even worth it?

[untold vigil]

i wouldn't do it

tier combo 4p20/2p21 is fun and kind of bonkers, but not required

4pt21 behaves slightly differently than the armor tooltip suggests in a way that makes it better than you'd first think. it's not as much survival as tiercombo, but it's pretty good

[clever swift]

Still don't have my Leggo belt so I've been using Mannoroth's and Wall's with mt 4p atm, seeing tons of +healing since i've gotten it. I'll take your word for it and just focus on Antorus, thanks!

[junior igloo]

We have killed it weeks ago, @sick sentinel, just in the middle of transferring horde right now.
@fair ingot
Yeah, I ended up using AHR and calling an external, but seems rough. I was more interested if some people take the first buff and have to survive 2 explosions or if it's better to avoid it on a warrior. Possibly better doable with Aggramar trinket.

[sick sentinel]

Yea was considering it being a rekill, just impressed by Soulbomb dmg. on M...all CD + bark..thats crucial

how good is the felhound eye trinket

[vocal obsidian]

I like it

[junior ivy]

! are nightborne horde?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[junior ivy]

whaaat

all this time

i tohught they were alliance

so wait

horde gets nightborne, highmountain tauren

alliance gets

lightforged dranei and..?

[sick sentinel]

voide elf

[junior ivy]

wait what is void elf

i thought void elf and nightborne were same thing lol

[prisma crane]

nightborne look like night elves

void elves look like blood elves

different colors and details, but same models and animations

[junior ivy]

hm, okay. interesting

[prisma crane]

also

one thing super coo

cool*

void elves can talk to blood elves

[junior ivy]

REALLY?

HORDE AND ALLIANCE TALKING?

why isnt that a bigger deal?

[prisma crane]

yea, just have to change the language to thalassian (SP?)

[junior ivy]

isnt that the first time its ever been allowed?

[prisma crane]

i dont think so

but other ways have been fixed i believe

something about demon forms or w/e

since you speak demonic in that form

but its the first time afaik where it's very simple to chat regularly

[junior ivy]

thats crazy i didnt know that

[prisma crane]

can't PM, just /s /y stuff

[junior ivy]

mahybe someday ill play alts. and make a void elf

can void elfs be priests?

[timid jay]

Yup

[winter halo]

Demon hunters can talk horde and alliance..

[timid jay]

Yeah, they can use demonic

[prisma crane]

ah, right, i knew there was something with demonic

but there was something earlier than that too

and my void elf is a priest lol

level 21 tyvm

shadow just looks cool

[winter halo]

Woo u got 1 lvl :p

[prisma crane]

even though it's pretty shit in a lot of scenarios

but amazing in others

meh

yea, i figure at this rate, i'll be 110 by the time 120 is a thing

😉

[junior ivy]

i might jsut rafce change my priest into void elf

my lvl 80 priest

i think my priest has exp turned off right now

but i could turn it back on

[winter halo]

My 80 warr has exp turned off hah

Ot turning that off tho

[junior ivy]

is it cause you love WOTLK so much, like me?

that you never wanted to leave it?

[prisma crane]

probably for running the achievement

[winter halo]

Yes

[prisma crane]

cant remember the name of it

[winter halo]

I have invincible and shadowmourne

And 10m + 25m achieves

So good

[junior ivy]

i just got a rogue legendary

so now i got 2 priest, 1 pally and 1 rogue leggo sititng in my warriors bank

[prisma crane]

i mean the ilvl sensitive one

[winter halo]

Ulduar?

Idk

[junior ivy]

yeh theres an ulduar one i think for alone in the darkness with no gear higher ilvl than what comes from ulduar itselgf

or something

something like that

[obsidian siren]

hey guys, are there any logs of someone soloing Vari in prot out there?

[visual snow]

What ilvl would you guys say is a tank ready for mythic raiding? Assuming he is a good player

like any tank

[visual snow]

or do tanks differ

[junior ivy]

highest m+ score of any prot warrior on my realm and stiull declined for +16s

im sad

[visual snow]

there might be other factors too it

I wouldnt take it to heart cat

[junior ivy]

i gotta hit 2000 score. im 1998 😦

those 2 pts make a digfference

[prisma crane]

new word of the day

digfference

[junior ivy]

hahaha

[prisma crane]

i like it

[junior ivy]

ugh just take me!!!

[prisma crane]

you can do it! CoS was easy this wk

but man, neato strat for my group last night

the engineering orb was up

[junior ivy]

cos is one of my lower scores. currently +14, 1 chestr timer

i know i can do better

so i wanna do a 15 or 16

and get my 2 pts

[prisma crane]

so we pulled 4 constructs together, then deactivated them

and just cleaved them with the boss

[junior ivy]

haha nice

[prisma crane]

yea BRH is my worst atm

[junior ivy]

i did a really good BRH last night. +15 and 2 chest timer

[prisma crane]

havent done above a 16 since 7.3.2

[junior ivy]

my worst is still that 1 hour 41 min seat +13

this cos 16 is still looking for a tank..

[prisma crane]

lol

what's your key? just do that one

and see what you get next

[junior ivy]

lower kara 15

i guess i could

i currently have a lower kara 15, but its not within the timer

its about 10-12 mins outside of timer

so, i could do better

[prisma crane]

getting it on time alone would boost your score a lot

[junior ivy]

wait, no, it was only over by 2 mins...

i dunno if i can improve on that

[prisma crane]

you'd still gain over 2 points

[junior ivy]

true but lower kara in timer.. thats tricky

moroes is scary

if im super picky about people tohugh, maybve

so far got 2 people in my group with 2k+ scores

[prisma crane]

you just want probably a pally healer

[prisma crane]

but, that's a great example of how OP crit block is

[junior ivy]

JUST TWO CHESTED

LOWERR KARA

ON TYRANNICAL

!!!

my score wil lbe over 2k !!!!!!!!

[hollow kite]

anyone know if the void elf racial for the +5% healing works on ignore pain?

[junior ivy]

i can do anything !!

[timid jay]

Would assume it does, it works like a normal heal

And gratz catfriend 😃

[junior ivy]

thanksssss !

omg, you know, we m,aybe coulda 3 chested, but we wipeds twice on moroes

cause mage kept insisting we just run in and aoe with no cc

after 2 wipes we CCed and did fight like normal and it went so smooth

im now #1 prot warrior on my realm for m+ score, and 3rd warrior overall

[prisma crane]

NICE!

[junior ivy]

i now have 4 +15s that are 2 chested

[timid jay]

Meanwhile, I did a lower kara that took 67min

[junior ivy]

get on my level

[stark sage]

oof

[timid jay]

wow

[shut summit]

:grimacing:

[junior ivy]

its cause that last boss. all 5 of uys must be blind

cause we couldnt see the things to soak

e'd stand in random places and after like 10 pulls eventually got lucky

[sharp dew]

Maybe it was bugged at the time?

[vast sedge]

MonkaS

[quiet delta]

what is the required haste % to have a 100% uptime on shieldblock when running AM?

[timid jay]

117%

[quiet delta]

O.o?

[vast sedge]

Very easy to hit

[west kayak]

@junior ivy I have a Seat +15 that took just over 2hrs cause the rest of my team kept body pulling everything... Had to solo Lura from when she starts moving to her death.

[quiet delta]

even at 40% it is not enough

[vast sedge]

Yes I was memein

Cus 117% is impossibru

[quiet delta]

but is it 117?

[vast sedge]

Yep

There’s a difference for 100% shield block uptime and 100% effective shield block uptime

[zealous ore]

Cosmo is wrong

[vast sedge]

The latter is a lot easier

[timid jay]

x=7/6 ~116.7%```

[upper violet]

henlo cusmu busy he is doing raid

[quiet delta]

effective u mean, u delay it when boss has swing timer etc?

[timid jay]

No, offtank generally tanking 50% of the time

give or take

[quiet delta]

aah

btw is t20 still superior to t21 when running HR ?

[west kayak]

You dont run HR. AM

[timid jay]

Yes, but you dont want to run HR with either tier

AM is a lot stronger

[junior ivy]

here it is, btw, in all it's glory:

[timid jay]

Its there for me

[west kayak]

It is showing Cat

[gloomy light]

is it worth going for 44% haste

but I gain a shitton of crit

@stray wedge

@timid jay

[upper violet]

[zealous ore]

yes

[upper violet]

da

[junior ivy]

yeha weird dunno wha thappened

but yeah, got my 2k

[quiet delta]

i was thinking about HR for m+ on high keys tyrranical to have 100% uptime on SB :>

[stiff gate]

Not worth the essentially doubled cd on battle cry and demo shout

At all

[timid jay]

Especially for m+

[quiet delta]

u guys run t20 2pc + t21 4pc mostly right?

[stiff gate]

^

[timid jay]

You really need the damage in m+

[quiet delta]

and t20 cloak+shoulders

[timid jay]

I've gone over to only t21 4p atm, dont need the extra survivbility anymore

[quiet delta]

for multi target, when u dont need to use gloves

[gloomy light]

@timid jay bro do I go for 44% haste but gain 24% crit

[timid jay]

@gloomy light if its your highest ilvl gear or close to it

then sure

[stiff gate]

So I finally started running warbringer in m+. With me and a Boomy ccing we can kill entire pulls on +22 without mobs casting FeelsGoodMan

[gloomy light]

@timid jay it's 960 vers mast ring->960 haste crit and 955 mastery haste collapsing future to 950 haste crit

[dusky summit]

welcome to warbringer life

[upper violet]

@timid jay

[dusky summit]

safeguard is also really good, if you know timings

[zealous ore]

@timid jay

[timid jay]

REEEEEEE

[stiff gate]

It’s so fucking good but I wish the radius was a bit bigger. Always have to yell at melee to be in the middle of mobs and not on the side. And yeah Safeguard is #1 prot warrior Utility in m+ for sure

[timid jay]

Depending on how much cirt it is on the haste/crit ring I might use the 955 instead

[dusky summit]

warbringer is pretty big

its like 5 yards per side of the target you charge

radius ofo thunderclap almost

[compact geyser]

😭 😢 😪

I cost my guild M Kin'garoth last night. Stood too close to the other tank during forging strike @ like 3%. Didn't have enough to recover. Boss ended at 1%. It's so hard to get over it and not continually blame myself.

Any tips to stay motivated in situations like that?

[quiet delta]

booming voice in m+ all the way right? and belt+brac or glov+brac on thrash?

[dusky summit]

belt/bracers for surv

[gloomy light]

@quiet delta glove betl

[dusky summit]

bv/am in m+

gloves/bracers on boss or bracers/twf on bosss you need higher SW uptime on

[junior ivy]

warbringer makes no sense

cause you gotta be far away to intercept

[dusky summit]

no

[junior ivy]

so if youre already in a fitght and need to stun.. then what

[dusky summit]

you can intercept allies

there is no range on intercept for allies

so you can focus target your melee dps and you have 2 charges of a no dr 2.5 sec stun

imo best stun in the game 🤔

[quiet delta]

or leap

[junior ivy]

hmmmmmmmmm

[dusky summit]

learn to play it, its quite good

[junior ivy]

ive never itnercepted an ally during comnbat cause you cant tab target them and i dont have time to find their name click them and then intercept

but focusing, that makes sense

[dusky summit]

proper usage of warbringer makes big packs super easy

make forcus target macro for intercept

bind it, then you have an on demand stun

[quiet delta]

prolly a good intercept focus target macro can do, and set it to healer e.g.

[compact geyser]

Just don't intercept the feral Druid cause you'll probably just miss the stun

[quiet delta]

anyone got a intercept focus target macro I can grab?

[timid jay]

Focus or party frames

I use party frames mostly, much more versatile if someone needs to run out for mechanics

Like stun in HoV

[quiet delta]

which trinkets do ya use in m+ ? I don't have coven trinket, but any except that one can do:)

[dusky summit]

i use convinction + riftworld

DMD + conviction in maw on 22+ ketys

[ruby surge]

How can i soak 2 small bombs+1 big bomb while having the avatar on argus fight ? Do i need externals or special trinkets? Or just my own cd's

[dusky summit]

you only soak big bomb

you dont need to soak small ones

[quiet delta]

isnt eye of fharg superior to dmd due to 1,2k more str vs only random more armor?

my eye is 950

+mine has avoidance

[short mesa]

hey guys, does avoidance apply to scythes from argus?

[timid jay]

Dmd is stronger defensively

And yes it does

[quiet delta]

yes

[short mesa]

ty

[quiet delta]

meh trinkets like dmd and cof are just overtuned for their ilvl imo. like semi-legendaries. they should have an 'elite' mark on them xd

[timid jay]

Well yeah they are

STR itself doesnt have that much defensive use

and DMD has way higer average armor

Lowest on dmd is somewhere around 950, and the average is much higher

[quiet delta]

i see. anyone using apocalypse drive on m+ ? on the paper it looks good for big pulls I guess

[dusky summit]

you use it for bosses most of the time

if you have a high ilvl AD, it mitigates around 1.3m per auto

at 985 its 1.6m i believe

really strong vs bosses

[quiet delta]

hmm in that case i guess i just have it on always lul

[near lodge]

out of topic question fellas. If I level a voidelf from scratch, do I still get the heritage armor account wide.? thanks

[timid jay]

Yup

Its the only way to get it, you need to level it from level 20 to 110

Without boosts

[final mist]

It's account wide for every other VE you have, but it's locked to that race.

[raw echo]

Also semi out of topic question, i’v just started really trying to push keys as prot (normally do it as fury) to spice things up a bit, any hot tips for tanking 19 lower Kara? I don’t really know the tank mechs there well

[round hornet]

leap out of shared suffering

[raw echo]

That’s a thing?

Like hleap at last second or you fuckin with me

[timid jay]

Yup

Or intercept a friendly to get out

makes it a lot easier, especially on tyrannical weeks

[raw echo]

Do I have to wait til it’s about to go off or can I do it as soon as he starts casting

[unborn island]

As soon as he starts

He will do it again though iirc

[dusky summit]

nah, right before he finishes

[raw echo]

I like it, anything else? 😉

[dusky summit]

he doens't do it again if your dps push it fast enough

maiden, you enver have to go into the glowing thing to get a stack because you can enrage it

[unborn island]

I normally dodged the MS and just tank shared suffering with cd's

[dusky summit]

pull big, since its not fortified

[unborn island]

Anyway- if you're a dwarf you can remove the bleed on moroes

[timid jay]

I leap as soon as its ~1sec left on the cast

[unborn island]

Yeah, if your dps is up to it the big pull under stage is fun

[raw echo]

Dwarf master race all the way cannon

[sick sentinel]

also you can berserker rage that incapatice thing in maiden

oh someome said that already

[raw echo]

Cheers for the help guys ❤ this should be interesting

[white goblet]

is Aggramar Convictions good?

[stone imp]

It becomes good

And is certainly good at a raid wide level

[prisma crane]

@timid jay yea i use party frames for intercept as well, it's just easier

also, @junior ivy you'll find that if you do that, avoid demon hunters as the melee you choose to intercept to, they tend to stay outside to the edge of packs (for eyebeam)

though sometimes you dont always have a choice

[mortal hawk]

Any tips for finding a guild? I want to push CE, have many 99-100 logs Amanthuls, decent experience, but finding a good guild that needs a tank is rough. Maybe there is an easier way idk about.

[prisma crane]

wowprogress and forums mostly

otherwise, manually hunt

it'll be rough, but i bet any guild still at around... idk, imonar/vari progress would certainly be looking

also, try to find guilds with some history, they arent always winners, but generally more likely to stick together when shit gets rough around coven-Argus

[mortal hawk]

Thanks Krotos, I'll keep that in mind

[dusk locust]

some guilds that get that far end up getting frustrated and fall apart?

[prisma crane]

lots of guilds do

they see how easily they did the first 6

and just ignorantly assume the rate of progress will continue

[mortal hawk]

We were making steady progress on Imonar and all of a sudden 3 main raiders drop out, creating a domino effect. Now we can't field 20 for raid nights. Even for farm

[prisma crane]

not on purpose necessarily, but it happens a lot

[dusk locust]

we just started imonar progress, and i made sure to set expectations with everyone well in advance

[prisma crane]

yea, def update your wowp profile to LFG and i bet you get PMs

[dusk locust]

breaking progress into little stages

[prisma crane]

link your WCL profile in there too, it'll help

[dusk locust]

let's get first 2 platforms, then work on next 2, etc

[prisma crane]

it's a good plan

and honestly

it's less about platforms and more about each of the two different crossings

[dusk locust]

yeah for sure

[prisma crane]

P5 is simple, P4 is fairly easy, P3 we lust, and P2 is rough on tanks

[dusk locust]

i am going to have us slightly alter our p2 but other than that, bridges are the issue

[prisma crane]

they always will be

for us now, our dps can carry us

we had under 7 min kill on our cleanest

but like

[dusk locust]

i don't have a good sense of where we are vs enrage yet

only got to p3 a couple times

[prisma crane]

bridges are the most important

i wouldnt worry about it until you're getting to P5

[dusk locust]

yeah

right now i'm considering having us to from 5 to 6 heal and wear prydaz

[prisma crane]

if you're interrupting him around 10-14 stacks it's already a good pace

5 heal was easier for us tbh

[dusk locust]

i dunno.. our healer core is pretty good, maybe i'll keep it 5

[round hornet]

I think all my offers to join a guild as a tank were from ppl I already knew as well @mortal hawk

like ppl I run keys with or pug heroic

because if a guild tank quits usually they are pretty desperate to fill the spot with someone quick

[timid jay]

Did you ping me you used party frames 40min later

Krotos

[round hornet]

Just like for jobs irl, connections are pretty useful

[dusk locust]

we pretty much have 2 main tanks, a dedicated dps with a geared offtank, and another person with a reasonable offtank. so whoever we lose we can take our time getting an alternative

[round hornet]

Ye, sometimes shit happens tho

I got into my current guild b cause like 5 ppl quit during kj prog so they had to recruit two new tanks and some dps

[prisma crane]

@timid jay fuck yea i did, I'm a bit slow sometimes, work stuff....

[junior ivy]

anyone know where the holiday stuff is in exodar?

nm found it

[junior ivy]

whats the main horde city

like hordes stormwind?

[vast sedge]

Silvermoon

[junior ivy]

i dont wanna go to hordes ironforge

just their SW

[vast sedge]

Jk

[junior ivy]

lol i doubt its silvermoon! im guessin orgrimmar or uh, thunder bluff?

i dunno lol

[vast sedge]

Orgrimmar

[junior ivy]

thankss

gotta find me an orc death knight

[glacial olive]

is Forgefiends fabricator any good on m+ for us?

(I can choose between 950 glaives and 965 fabricator)

[prisma crane]

i'd prob keep the glaives

[glacial olive]

@prisma crane do you still run t20 4pc?

[prisma crane]

not currently, no

i used it last on...

hounds, PK and imonar progression

[glacial olive]

I havent rly kept up with my prot knowledge 😄

do you use any T20 at all?

or ust go straight ilvl

beyond t21

[prisma crane]

2p, but only because i have 955 legs and 940 shoulders

[glacial olive]

I got 955 gloves ^^

930 pants though

[prisma crane]

.<

i use kaku though

[glacial olive]

is t21 4pc worth?

[prisma crane]

yea its pretty good

[glacial olive]

yea shame I cant use kaku