esp for dmg
#protection
prisma crane
coarse oracle
prisma crane
well and STR
fleet galleon
Wouldn't Diimas be better in the case of many targets or purely big physical hits eg Aggramar
prisma crane
a lot of STR
its good for dmg on aoe
but the armor is great for physical hits
that said
i wouldnt use it for the foe breakers
i'd use it for hte attacks up to it
since NF trivializes foe breaker anyays
anyways*
midnight yacht
finaly mythic aggramar down. onto the big boy now
shut summit
👌
junior ivy
grats
jagged bay
gz and gl!
icy mica
Highmountain Tauren amazing for prot warrs or ?
vast sedge
icy mica
Bad move??
iron pecan
moose antlers too damn big
jaunty canopy
i hope they change the scaling on the Rugged Tenacity thingy lol so it means something
icy mica
well then.
fringe marten
So what's the mountain tauren racial damage reduction at 110?
jaunty canopy
2600-3000
iron pecan
~2-3k
jaunty canopy
depending on stam trinket/flasks etc for warrior
fringe marten
hmm....not sure that's worth losing stoneform for.
jaunty canopy
thats alli vs horde O.o
timid jay
Its extremely minor
iron pecan
not as op as no cast delay from being hit like them void elves
shrewd arrow
have u tips For this damage taken on IMONAR MYTH
fringe marten
hmm..hope dark iron dwarves are good
jaunty canopy
Id rather be a regular cow, the 2% crit dmg is great for fury and stam is great for tanking and is great for m+ lol
fringe marten
I'm alliance...if I were horde I'd be tauren and that would be the end of it.
shrewd arrow
timid jay
Smh, not going nightborne
shrewd arrow
0.04 sec
iron pecan
shitty timing there my friend
timid jay
Its most likely a case of interrupting earlier
Unless you had the 100% extra damage taking for fucking up on the bridge
gaunt igloo
LUL other tank fucked up our aggramar combo, i just taunted it anyways, popped wall and NF, hp didnt even budge
jaunty canopy
crit block op
fresh dragon
@craggy isle @jade haven i need an help
something seems buggy here
i used SR on -3.95s before my dead
SR elapsed -0.02s before my dead
"expired"
if SR last 5sec how did it espires
after 3.93 sec??
timid jay
Most likely a rounding error, faded when you died
You died from it, and thats how it shows up in logs
(you also pinged the wrong cosmo 😉 )
cinder nova
zzzzzz I still hate how my guild wants tanks to soak mines
And then keep asking why I die when I'm out of CDs
fresh dragon
lol 😄
prisma crane
i take extra mines on the 3rd platform now, more rage for more CDR
for more BC
lol
only the ones off to the side though, running way out wouldnt be worth it
iron pecan
Im a heroic raider and I have full heroic t21 and t20 (Everything standard i.e. no warforged and such) should I stick with t20 or 2 piece t21 and shoot for high ilvl off pieces?
prisma crane
depends
4p2p will be strong for you defensively
esp if you dont already have the higher ilvl off pieces
iron pecan
I managed to get lucky with a few titanforged pieces like a cloak, ring, etc. My damage taken is pretty low I think. I don't need to pop cooldowns to stay alive mostly
cinder nova
Problem is even though I have way more rage my HPS is still less than say, Hasabel Mythic
And she's way easier to tank
iron pecan
Only times are during panic like portal
prisma crane
then go for ilvl and 2p T21 and adjust as you see fit
well , Hasabel has less raid dmg
more*
so insp pres is probably higher on PK than Imonar
cinder nova
Not more tank damage if I'm soaking 4M DTPS
iron pecan
Ok, I didn't know if it would make or break in my heroic setting compared to mythic
cinder nova
I'm spamming IP the entire time across
prisma crane
and 3 phases with minimal dmg
prisma crane
but when you're crossing the bridge
cinder nova
Still taking, yes.
prisma crane
you dont have the rage to IP through it
cinder nova
30s debuff
prisma crane
so you're actually being healed
cinder nova
You can just BR and Demo for rage, and I have too since I always see myself fluxing in HP
If I stop IPing I die.
prisma crane
never said to stop, but if you're not attacking him
you're generating less rage
and therefore less heals
cinder nova
My point is that my IP and RPM is WAY higher than hasabel, but my HPS is down.
prisma crane
link your Imonar log and PK log
cinder nova
But my pres is mostly the same.
Nobody in my guild fucking logs unless I do and I didn't.
cinder nova
Are they having you soak mines?
kind prairie
tanked some normal antorus last night without any tier or leggos just to try it.
prisma crane
in P2 and 3 yea
cinder nova
I mean DURING the platform phase.
kind prairie
It was vastly different.
cinder nova
We're 6-healing because coordination is hard apparently.
prisma crane
and healers are not our strength
prisma crane
well yesterday it was 150m
cinder nova
Overall damage taken?
prisma crane
yea from shrapnel
cinder nova
From everything.
cinder nova
I'm going to be way over that in damage, then.
prisma crane
and 628 in our first kill
cinder nova
If I'm at 580M by the start of the second crossing.
prisma crane
well for one, how many stacks is he getting
timid jay
Wait, did you take 631M damage on imonar?`
cinder nova
I'm taking 2 of sever and then 4 bombs every 30s.
prisma crane
274 EHRRPS
cinder nova
Do you soak mines during platforms?
prisma crane
yesterday i soaked all 4 on my rotation plus a 5th left from my OT on 2nd platform
cinder nova
Because taking a step to the right every mine is hard.
prisma crane
and on 3rd platform i just soak anything near me
i'd probably never use LS or SW if i didnt have to soak the mines
and even then i dont use it all the time
only if heals cant keep up or i fuck up SB or something
timid jay
Dropping down to 5 healers and making the platforms shorter so you get less bombs seems like a easier way to go about it
It feel so useless to clear on the second one
prisma crane
5 heals made it a lot easier for us
cinder nova
Yeah, but they have a hard time coordinating so they're 6-healing.
timid jay
You dont get bombs the second time you get there and you dont need that much space
Just for the beams and somewhere to drop the sleep, thats it
cinder nova
What do you do for mines on P3?
timid jay
We take boss in the center of the platform
and only clear those that are in melee
Ranged are spread around the boss
cinder nova
And for 2 you just sidestep?
timid jay
Yeah
hard wyvern
We stack all dps behind boss, when mines come out, they swap to where tanks are, off tank pops mines, then main tank swings boss around
timid jay
Everypme stack on red
drag boss along green arrow
Only that side is covered in mines and we dont have to clear anything
prisma crane
did you make that pic??
timid jay
Sick paint skills I know
undone sun
lol
sonic veldt
How are these stats for Prot : Crit 16% , Haste 32% , Mastery 43 % , Vers 15 % ?
cinder nova
They're alright.
prisma crane
@sonic veldt dont look at stats like that
hard wyvern
Yeah, I know, when dps run on tanks, off tank pops the mines, then main tank follows so both tanks do'nt get debuff
prisma crane
those arent bad, but like, they usually are just w/e they are with your "best" gear on
cinder nova
I mean you don't... what.
sonic veldt
okay
cinder nova
You can just keep him between two points on his flank.
And then the boss doesn't move or turn
prisma crane
there's no cleave from imonar, stack all you want
timid jay
Clearing in p2 just feels like unnecessary damage taken for me
hard wyvern
Yeah, but dps don't know how to not hit mines when they're close to them
opaque hull
are gloves bracers a decent combo?
hard wyvern
So we make them run all the way around lol
timid jay
We only clear a few mines if they are out in the open thanks to beam players
@opaque hull Yes, really strong combo if you have t21 2p. If you dont you want soul instead of gloves
cloud island
What is the haste breakpoint to achieve near 100% uptime with SB. And does the legendary pants changes that?
timid jay
Still good without t21 2p but its good
opaque hull
does prot not want 4 set?
timid jay
@cloud island 117% if you dont play HR (which you shouldnt) and pants dont change that
We do, but it doesnt change legendary choices
cinder nova
timid jay
Legs are highly situational
cloud island
117%haste???
sonic veldt
117% is not achieveable
timid jay
For 100% SB uptime yes
prisma crane
13 sec down to 6 sec
opaque hull
well fed ring yay or nay?
timid jay
Well fed ring? 
prisma crane
always food buffed BiS for panda
undone sun
yeah we do that too swole
cloud island
So what is the good amount of haste to maintain? Or just get high Ilvl piece for armor?
undone sun
melee switches between 1 and 2 for mine placements
sonic veldt
is the 2 set from Antorus good? or not really
prisma crane
we do it the same way as Swole and Thyme then as well
sonic veldt
2 st bonus
undone sun
t21 2pc is great
timid jay
prisma crane
2p is amazing
sonic veldt
alright so I'm not changing my LFR tier cloak then lol
opaque hull
Can i say I love how the guides for prot and arms are really well graphically designed Documents and fury is a fucking MMoChamp page XD
yall got ur shit togeather
undone sun
😏
hard wyvern
@cinder nova Yeah that's better than we do, we've killed it so manytimes if we changed it we'd probably mess it up too much
timid jay
Thats how we handle the melee clear in p3
But thats the only place where we intentionally clear, rest is just if someone fucks up the placement of a mine
sonic veldt
is T20 4 set + T21 2 set godlike?
undone sun
great defensively
prisma crane
god, no, fantastic, yes
we all kinda thought it would be godlike at first, it's certainly great, but not quite as OP as thought
cloud island
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/frostwolf/atkbanana How should I adjust my stats? Is haste >>others?
undone sun
over other secondaries, yes but main stat still comes first
there's no minimum nor safe spot for haste
timid jay
....I still dont have it
undone sun
lol
prisma crane
you have diima's though
timid jay
Get it on first kill on my DH and DK
undone sun
yeah i think i got it on first kill
prisma crane
so there's that
timid jay
I got apoc
hard wyvern
All I had was eye for the first like 6 weeks. Then I got diima's, codex, titanguard all in one night
timid jay
We're swimming in codexes and eyes
hard wyvern
I got a juicy 965 apoc last week
timid jay
Got mine second week, never used it 🤔
prisma crane
it's fun
hard wyvern
Our first two mythic hounds kill, one eye dropped from each
prisma crane
use with BC for shitloads of dmg
hard wyvern
so my cotank and I have been running it for forever
cloud island
Man all my alts got pantheon trinkets but not my shaman...clearing argus since first week...now still sitting at 964 ilvl with a915 EoC....feelsbadman
Btw which trinkets should I roll in Argus for prot? The aggramar one looks op
timid jay
Apoc drive and diimas are by far the most versatile
prisma crane
^
aggramar one is strong, but almost always overkill
that said, i did eat through the shield once before it expired
in Upper Kara
sonic veldt
no codex?
cloud island
I used to cry about not enough rage and die to magic Dmg here and there. NO MORE
prisma crane
codex only for M+ and large AoE
cloud island
do you guys ever used the legendary trinket ? Given you have all the legendary options
cloud island
I mean ...is not “a lot” of Dmg
prisma crane
it's more dmg than other legos and it's a lot of STR
timid jay
Used with LS its a big chunk of damage
prisma crane
provided you can reliably break it
cloud island
Haha true
Question about block mechanics: the burning maw from the dog is fire Dmg. How come I can block it?
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hard wyvern
Can block fire from dog, can't block fire from anything else
undone sun
Not all Blockable damage is Physical
Not all Physical damage is Blockable
timid jay
There are a few other cases with blockable magic damage
hard wyvern
Amen
undone sun
yeah, bunch of shadow melees are blockable
like the eels from miss sass and the reflections from KJ
timid jay
Consult Thyme's spreadsheet for everything blockable/reflectable 👍
undone sun
^
prisma crane
rules are like english language, tons of exceptions
kind glen
For H Argus, is 9 stacks of Scythe the goal for tanks?
kind glen
I'm more talking about it being smooth transition and easy to manage
cloud island
I took 10 at 955 ilvl
undone sun
manage CDs properly you can definitely get 15+
cloud island
Lol 10 is not gonna be easy to manage cause you are not meant to eat 10in the face easily
kind glen
I'm not looking to set records, as I believe dying intelligently is part of the encounter, I just want a solid number to shoot for.
prisma crane
the number is 4 on mythic lol
kind glen
Well, of course, I understand that.
cloud island
But yea you can do 9-13 on heroic I think
cloud island
Does CoF reduce BC cd for prot?
kind glen
No
cloud island
Was gonna say.. then no cd on BC?
kind glen
Yeah 15sec BC's are nice.
cloud island
My BC is only around 30sec cd now when the previous BC ended
cloud island
lol
cloud island
No
prisma crane
ok phew
kind glen
Yeah, 30 seems really high.
prisma crane
that should be more than enough haste to break 30 sec on BC
cloud island
Maybe is not 30sec then
kind glen
@ember arrow Well, as I stated, I am not going for records, just trying to make things smooth for the fight.
cloud island
Where is the spreadsheet for everything blockable
undone sun
In the pins
cloud island
15 stacks OR QUIT
stone ice
looking at raider.io there is basically only bdk and vengeance doing 20-25 keys, is prot THAT bad compared to them or is this just a common opinion that got out of control, also does anybody know a streamer or knows a dude who makes videos of high prot keys?
cloud island
Here was one. His guild name was zoo something. But he switch to blood for higher keys lol
We don’t have much utility and not be able to self sustain too much.. so many people will choose other tanks
But if you running 18-20 keys..any tank works imo
north coral
I do more healing then the healer in 20+ keys
prisma crane
we can do it, but it's a lot harder and for super high keys we just dont have the toolkit for it
stone ice
i was hoping stuff like warbringer and a crapton of damage would make up for it
prisma crane
pallies do more dmg
DH have grips and aoe interrupts
BDK has more group heals and obv grip
bears do more in aoe
bear and BDK have bres
pally have clutch CDs
stone ice
dh is also virtually unplayable in raids so there is that (according to most people i dont know i didnt try it)
north coral
we have a 30% dr on a 12 sec recharge and 2 non DR stuns
north coral
between me and my monk buddy we can cc and deadly packs very easy
makes pulls simple
prisma crane
im not saying we cant do keys
im just saying that at 25-28 range we just wont make it
25 we prob could
but those 27 keys
merry cave
Vdh with 4pce t21 is just unreal for high keys
prisma crane
i mean, hell, grip is a dps increase anyways
north coral
@sick sentinelat point its pretty much just kiting
merry cave
I hate the spec so much but it's really good for them
prisma crane
stuff takes forever to kill in those keys, even with 3m+ dps average
stone ice
i guess my question boils down to: is my group going to hate me for wanting to autistically play my warrior in 19-23 instead of just reroling bdk like a normal person
prisma crane
thats why most people dont use it at top end
sure we could do it, but why handicap yourself
north coral
19-23 are not hard for prot
stone ice
in my experience people tend to value stuff that starts being the most useful much later like vengeance 25+ meta cheese way too highly for the keys they actually do so i thought i should ask
thanks ❤
ember arrow
25+ is jsut kiting
i dont see the problem for us with kiting but i didnt do those keys yet
north coral
well our kit requires us to hit stuff to heal and keep rage up
so super high keys I agree
prisma crane
depends on mobs
ember arrow
stun TC
sick sentinel
Is there a crucible weight addon string for trait values?
sonic veldt
any tips on my new tanking UI?
undone sun
cinder pasture
Ignore pain isn't big enough, you might miss actually hitting it while tanking
sonic veldt
I'm serious about shield block
slim verge
Trip wipes on M Imonor not being tripped even after being walked over 2-3 times. Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong?
glacial sage
reminds me of a vannila UI
undone sun
tank would take the portal and at most two wires didn't go off
tidal sparrow
Double warrior tanks in mythic raiding, thoughts?
fallow knot
Only have one running inspiring presence otherwise.. if it works then whatever :)
junior ivy
JUST ONE SHOTTED AGGRAMAR HEROIC
FIRDST TIME KILLIJN HIM
!!!!!!!
i mean aside from the time i was carried
sonic veldt
gj learning the aggramar tank mechanics
sonic veldt
link ur armory plz
junior ivy
me?
sonic veldt
ye
stuck plank
Anyone care to help me choose between using t20 4pc and 10 equipped ilvl upgrade. lol
warm plinth
With T21 2pc?
warm plinth
Probably just have to try out both and see how you feel.
Not really an exact numerical value where you should swap or anything, unfortunately :/
stuck plank
its freaking killing me using t20. i love the on use rage gen. but meh
warm plinth
Try out the higher ilevel and see how you feel. If you're too squishy, switch back. If not, keep using the higher ilevel.
Even if it is the best defensively, that doesn't mean you always need it.
clear sapphire
I switched to just 4pc t21 ;0 seems just as good now.
sonic veldt
what addon is that that shows the ilvl?
sonic veldt
thx
junior ivy
on argus heroic in p2 after first soulk bomb thing is there time to taunt 3 times before next?
round vortex
@junior ivy Good way to think of it is whoever is tanking after the phase change - hold boss until first soul bomb. The other tank will ALWAYS have the buff for the other 2 - even if you think its not going to pop in time it WILL 100% of thetime.
Just plan ur stacks around the soulbomb timer and knowing which tank is next and try to switch just before the soul bomb.
ie: whoever is about to take the soulbomb should be tanking argus up until they need to run out and save the raider lol
velvet lynx
Yep, we just got him to 6% before wiping
junior ivy
but hit berserk
velvet lynx
I'm taking a break from WoW now though but I know they'll get him.
long bronze
hey guys should I be trying to get the bracers or the gloves from argunite?
warm plinth
Not really worth it to try to get legendaries from relinquished tokens.
Most of us just get trinkets
long bronze
I don't want to accidently get archimondes lol
I'm using the darkmoon deck and a haste stat stick atm so I feel like those are pretty good
but right now I have the belt and soul and I should be really close to another lego
warm plinth
The chances of you getting a legendary from a token is ridiculously low. Do what you want, but it's not something that should concern you. I have played up to 9 toons at once and I've never gotten a legendary from a relinquished token.
little rain
Is there some issue with dbm/weakauras and Varimathras since patch?
long bronze
I had it where it stopped making a alert sound when he cast shadow strike
little rain
nah nah nah not for us, for the raid
undone sun
yeah, since 7.3.5 vari in particular has been causing some issue
coral wolf
how often should I be using revenge? should I be using it when its free only or can i use it when i have excess rage?
little rain
Do you know the problem and/or fix so people are still properly marked or w/e @undone sun ?
long bronze
Zakuza are you using vengence or booming voice
coral wolf
booming voice
undone sun
nope
long bronze
then use it when its free, you really need to pick up adds and TC is on cd, or you are capping rage and have 3x ignore pain up
undone sun
we aren't having an issue with marks, just bunch of lag
coral wolf
so with vengence would i use revenge more? @long bronze
long bronze
yeah you'd use it before you used ignore pain
coral wolf
it was just like
when playing booming voice
i feel as though im sat watching my character
auto attack
long bronze
yeah vengence is not smooth feeling
you pretty much want to use booming voice if you are using anger management
undone sun
well, there's no restriction of using vengeance with AM, but with t21 you dont use Veng
coral wolf
is that normal though
undone sun
BV is the go to defensively with t21
coral wolf
if your running booming
to feel like for a moment you are watching your character auto attack while waiting for a proc
this is with
no tier
undone sun
should be using Rev and TC while SS is on CD
long bronze
BV is great with the t21 2 set
long bronze
yes
long bronze
and remember IP stacks
coral wolf
right
long bronze
and you also want to keep enough rage for when shieldblock falls / comes off cd
coral wolf
does that have a cap?
long bronze
3 x
coral wolf
yeah
so like
is there a buff for that is it l ike 3 stacks or just you can have 3x the amount of a full IP
long bronze
in raids I hardly every use revenge if it isn't free because I'm getting dunked hard enough to not cap ignore pain
you can use IP 3 times
coral wolf
yeah
long bronze
its not 3x your hp
its 3x whatever value it gives you when you cast it
technically 3x 60 rage
but also dragon scales effects it
so if you did 3 ignore pains without dragon scales
and it gives you like a 4 mil shield
and then you get a dragon scales proc
you can use ignore pain for that extra 40%
to bring it to like 5 mil
also increases if you did like a 30 rage IP and two 60s, if you cast it again shield will increase to 3 60's
undone sun
IP cap is entirely personal, while still being 3* a single 60 rage cast, it scales off of Strength, verse and AP
long bronze
technically not strenght though right
coral wolf
is there a good WA for IP?
coral wolf
because this seems hard to track
long bronze
1 sec
that's mine
I nabbed it from some other WA that I don't remember the name of
so I don't take credit for it
undone sun
IP and Vengeance tackers in #ui-addons-manager in the pins
long bronze
it tells you have big the shield is
coral wolf
ah right i think im getting it now
thats interesting
looking forward to how they are changing IP in BFA
hopefully its a buff
coral wolf
ah
long bronze
not sure how I feel about it
but we also get rage from taking damage again so theres that
coral wolf
yeah
should balance it out
but it will be subject to change
i guess
anyway gtg
ty for the help
guys
junior ivy
k heroic argus is actually hard
undone sun
nice
long bronze
grats nice
long bronze
I haven't got one tank trinket to drop in antorus on my war or BrM feels bad
junior ivy
argus is making me sad
cinder nova
How many stacks should he have by P3?
Because he's got 3
30*
How many stacks should he have by P3?
cinder nova
He's got ~18 stacks going into the P3
junior ivy
!!! i deserve my aotc now
i have question
am i allowed to use other abilities during BC
besides SS?
like can i use SB?
hallow phoenix
I use SB if I want the extra damage and it's normal or heroic
junior ivy
7th best guild on my realm now after tonight 😄
merry cave
SB is off gcd you can use an and as at same time
junior ivy
ok ty
junior ivy
as of tonight. i am in 7th best guild on the realm (11/11 heroic), 1st best prot warrior for m+ score (1975) and 3rd highest warriuor ilvl (964.25)
cinder nova
@timid jay How many stacks do you think he should have going into 3
cedar iron
should I use Soul of the Battlelord or Ceann-Ar Charger with Archimonde's Hatred Reborn
cedar iron
thx
little rain
Do we even use Old War pots as prot anymore? Keep looking at my logs every week and they look increasingly disappointing.
warm plinth
I don't. PP all the way!
true tinsel
So i just got the pants i've been running TWF ring and bracers is there any reason use the pants over the ring in Antorus
kind glen
I think they are especiallly useful on Vari, mostly on Mythic though
true tinsel
yea, its just an alt so i'm way behind on legendaries so i just thought i would see if there was an use for them
those 3 are the legendaries i have for prot lol
kind glen
Vari is nice so you can have a reflect up for every Slash
I believe they are used in a few spots in M+ where they shine. Best example I have is first boss of MoS.
true tinsel
ah true
i tanked heroic coven tonight and my 940 ilvl was feeling that 3rd fire stack
kind glen
I always make sure I have SR up for it.
If not then pop a CD. I can't think of any other spike damage than her on heroic though.
hushed folio
Hello guys, do i need to use gem for 200 strg on eqp or haste better?
true tinsel
yea, i actually had to use shield wall on the last stack and sr for the second one
kind glen
Don't think 200 will affect too much either way, but I rock a STR gem.
true tinsel
i just use the cosmic sliver to reduce the cd of shield wall
true tinsel
i probally didnt but it was better safe than sorry lol
kind glen
I would test it. Sliver is an okay trinket, but there are better ones.
true tinsel
yea i have it and a raid finder Diimas and i have a 955 dogs trinket
those pretty much sum up the trinkets i have atm
oh and a 925 chornoshard
i feel like the bonus armor from the 955 eye make it better than the others i have atm
but i could be wrong
undone sun
all of those are better than scs
scs is very situational and not needed in antorus
especially using AM CDs can be used very liberaly
true tinsel
yea
prisma crane
yea from deluxe
junior ivy
looks really cool
raw sage
sup all, i was wondering if anyone would be willing to give me some pointers on the mage tower challenge, i keep dying to mind rend and im not sure what else i can do to stop that from happening
prisma crane
lots of victory rushes and IP
use SR for the magic reduction
avoid going over like 5-6 stacks
junior ivy
i dunno how i managed to tank argus heroic tonight for 3 hours with NO weakauras
maybe im not as dependent on them as i thought
raw sage
also does 6.6M hp seem low for ilvl 929 with a lvl 74 weapon? im not using stam trinkets ofc
sharp steeple
You’re probably taking too many stacks of the debuff from inquisitor, save your SR for twisted reflection
sick sentinel
tfw you get called out by a fury warrior for having more HP than you as prot 😮
tawny crown
How do I get bigwigs to work in dungeons?
undone sun
littlewigs
tawny crown
you are the man thyme
brave mauve
Finally got to tank H dogs today. You guys had me worried. 4 minutes in I was whispering people asking them how their days were going.
ember arrow
965
sweet egret
it's like -800 haste +300 str +400 sta
ember arrow
Im well aware
ember arrow
Stat prio in pinsnp
sweet egret
how do the different neck enchants compare?
ember arrow
Heavy hide def. Satyr dps
undone sun
not nearly as much as it is defensively
strength from higher ilevel gear starts to quickly outweigh it
sweet egret
ofc, but I've been thinking about using offpieces for dps
but I'm not entirely sure how much difference that rage does to the battle cry cd etc
there are so many things that play into each other
I've been playing mostly 0+2 lately
junior ivy
gratsss
hallow phoenix
now what do i use it on other than agg...
junior ivy
lol i got 945 apoc drive yesterday also not sure when top use it
hallow phoenix
I assume a STR trinket is still more dps
Oh. I thought apoc had more haste. Only 1423 😦
wind scroll
Gotta love the fact we finaly have blood elf models on alliance, and the dmg procc, semi blink ain't bad either 😄
visual plume
So if I don't have good dps traits in my weapon for Insignia ring, what's the next legendary I will be using?
wind scroll
Depends on which legos you have 😉
visual plume
All of them
visual plume
Oh right... Archimonde's exists...
wind scroll
But then again, my warrior is just my alt hehe
I justh ope that i get warrior tokens on my main prot paladin hehe
But so far warlock and shammy lol - tho i got bis for shammy
undone sun
if you can reliably deplete AHR and do full damage it's likely the best for ST dps
insignia entirely depends on your T2 and if you have sub-par t2 traits you wont be doing much damage from it
wind scroll
WIth insignia i did 1m per hit from crucible at one point, but then i got better relics.
I was kinda of surprised how much dmg some traits do with insignia
But i find double trinkets more interesting and fun to play with.
warm plinth
Spell Reflect is up for every crashing wave right?
undone sun
pretty sure
warm plinth
Thanks.
minor fox
I asked this a while ago, but I just got new legos to play with
I currently have Prydaz and Archimonde's on me
Should I be using Bloodmirror and Kakushan's?
timid jay
kaku is one of our best legendaries
both for damage and RPS
Prydaz is mostly wasted healing and AHR is a really good ST dps legendary, with situational defensive uses
timid jay
🇫
barren onyx
jesus tab targetting is a nightmare in the kruul scenario
i get eyes across the room instead of the nether horror right in front of me
so while i'm trying to figure out what the fuck i have targetted i'm getting my ass smoked by variss
fallow knot
not sure what your ilvl / DPS looks like but I found liberal use of the spheres in the first phase was way more beneficial than saving them for the second phase. stunning / interrupting / saving your arse in phase 1 was way more useful than just interrupting big daddy in phase 2 because I just beat on him quickly
barren onyx
it's not enough apparently
warm plinth
Yeah you honestly don't even need the orbs in P2 at current gear levels
barren onyx
like i need to basically kill a nether horror each global to have enough impending victory charges to survive if an orb isn't up
warm plinth
What ilevel are you?
warm plinth
Hm, I did it at 929 as well and I didn't have that problem. But I also was using Shockwave and usually stunned adds instead of Variss
warm plinth
What's your talent build?
barren onyx
storm bolt/IV/avatar/bounding/devas/booming/heavy
warm plinth
Heavy Repercussions is literally useless for half of that encounter
And the other half too actually, since you don't need Shield Block except for Annihilate
barren onyx
i mean they all seem kinda useless tbh
warm plinth
Anger Management means you have CDs up more often
barren onyx
i'll smoke kruul once he comes down
i won't need to even go thru CDs once
it's surviving p1 that's the issue
warm plinth
Anger Management is the superior talent for every situation. There's no encounter in Legion where you need HR for anything
You'll have Battle Cry up more as well, which you will use more than once, and which will help you do more damage
barren onyx
yeah
i'm only staying in for 3 stacks but i guess two globals of battle cry is better than nothing :p
warm plinth
You can stay in for the full Battle Cry at the start, then just pop Last Stand as you leave
barren onyx
i see
barren onyx
right
i'll give that a whirl and see what happens
well that went better
got him to 18%
still got destroyed there though
that was the first trip out of the aura without an orb waiting for me
guess i should just pop last stand immediately in that case
oh my god this tab targetting is going to make me kill myself
do i really need to start clicking shit
jesus
hey i actually got to p2
that's neat
warm plinth
lol
When you get to P2, make sure you use Spell Reflect on Twisted Reflections, not your interrupt
Makes it much easier because you get healed when he hits you
barren onyx
yeah i'm using that
it's not helping much tbh lol
i don't even really need the healing
timid jay
Drums in p2 and its EZ
barren onyx
better than nothing though i suppose
warm plinth
What killed you in P2?
barren onyx
oh i got knocked off because heroic leap wouldn't let me click on the ground :p
timid jay
It tends to be a bit messed up when you are in the air
best it I can give you for that is getting a @plush sunuseover macro
and spam that one + intercept
warm plinth
Or what I found easiest, was to just not get smashed in the first place 😉
barren onyx
yeah well
sometimes the bars on the ground don't cooperate
yeah i'm not even gonna try and use leap to save myself anymore
just gonna mash charge
easier to press 1 button instead of two
warm plinth
I just don't stop moving and kite him around the outside. The bars on the ground are largely irrelevant. Just jump through them; they do next to no damage.
barren onyx
i try and stay in the middle to be near orbs
warm plinth
That's what you can use heroic leap for since you won't be getting smashed
barren onyx
eh
don't really feel comfortable trying to target heroic leap while shit is beating on me
warm plinth
Fair enough.
undone sun
/cast [@cursor] Heroic Leap
warm plinth
You can make an @cursor macro
barren onyx
oh wow
warm plinth
So you don't have to click
barren onyx
that's neat
minor fox
So basically from what I've seen I should go for mirror and kakushan?
warm plinth
What are your other options?
warm plinth
Cosmo = skyhold winner
undone sun
warm plinth
any tier?
minor fox
I used to be progressing mythic
but now I'm in a new guild and we'll be going back to normal
warm plinth
So that's a no for now?
If you have no tier, I'd probably do gloves/soul (defensive) or gloves/archi (offensive). Use gloves/pants if you need the extra spell reflect (Ymiron for example)
warm plinth
Yeah
minor fox
I got 3 pieces of 21
warm plinth
Which ones?
minor fox
chest cape and hands
warm plinth
Okay, use chest/cape and use the combos I mentioned above
fallow knot
make sure you keep using your hands though, can't be playing with your feet. I've tried, my mouse and keyboard smell 😦
oh we're talking about in game gear, sorry
undone sun
bracers/gloves/belt
minor fox
I don't really care about swapping them around for m+ or raiding
timid jay
Take gloves+bracers then
minor fox
I just want a stable setup that works in everything, I hate hoarding gear after me
timid jay
Just swapping gloves or bracers for belt is huge for m+
timid jay
Otherwise gloves+bracers is a solid combo for almost everything
timid jay
Pants are highly situational
minor fox
I do use vengeance
timid jay
He means DH
minor fox
oh
timid jay
vengeance DH
timid jay
Its one of those legendaries you bring out for certain m+ bosses and maybe varimathras
minor fox
What do you use it on vari for
minor fox
meh
timid jay
Its mainly used for the extra SR, the extra SB doesnt have nearly the same impact
There are some very niche usecases for the extra SB charge but its even more rare than using them for the SR charge
minor fox
so should I stick to gloves and hatred?
minor fox
Don't have them
a fury in my guild got them last night while I was hoping to get pants xd
timid jay
Bracers are in almost all cases by far the strongest defensive leggo we have
AHR is mainly for ST dps for us nowadays
minor fox
Which is the best neck enchant for us nowadays?
warm plinth
Yeah I told him to use AHR/gloves for DPS or soul/gloves for defensives because he has no options
minor fox
I used heavy hide on my prydaz
barren onyx
oh my god
fat fingered spell reflect when i went to hit drums
so moved my drums hotkey
and then i pressed spell reflect itself the next time out of muscle memory
glad plume
Hi, I don't know with what should I go: cape ilvl920 and pants 925 t21 for the 2p bonus or cape ilvl950 and pants 965 but no t21 bonus.... I'm ilvl 960 without t21 and ilvl 955 with t21 set.... so the question is ilvl or t21 2p bonus. Thanks you
finite bolt
this may come as a dumb question were dp o get relquinqued gear?
barren onyx
WELP
wasted four hours of sleep trying to get kruul down
and i can't
at least i'll have 3 full days to wipe on him next time
or wipe on variss to be precise
barren onyx
929, trash leggos
i die if variss gets two casts off in a row essentially
i have to have an orb, a dead add, or a cooldown every cast
or i just explode
and i can't kill adds fast enough
so i just end up dying when i don't get lucky crits
arctic sedge
Hm.
You could try to get some better legendaries and get your ilvl higher? It is possible at your ilvl, but I was around ilvl958 when I beat him.
barren onyx
yeah i guess i'll have to
i should be able to faceroll it at 929 tbh
but i'm garbage apparently lol
arctic sedge
Do you use consumables?
barren onyx
all of them
arctic sedge
Drums, bear tartare, rune, prepot and stamina flask?
arctic sedge
Ah yeah probably a better choice. I just have a fetish for stamina.
barren onyx
when i'm getting overkilled for like 2M lol
this is definitely the worst incarnation of kruul
all the other tanks were significantly easier
prot war just seems to get destroyed
arctic sedge
Protection paladins had it worse than we have.
arctic sedge
Pre or after nerf?
barren onyx
after
arctic sedge
It was impossible before.
barren onyx
i've done all of them in like the last month or two
arctic sedge
Anyway.
Go for gloves and bracers as leggos, easiest combo.
And then just gear up.
barren onyx
i think prydaz would be the best for me actually
arctic sedge
Wherever you are strongest.
barren onyx
don't have it on this char tho =\
arctic sedge
I used gloves and bracers for it. Remember to check the guide on WoWhead.
barren onyx
which means i'll probably get that one last haha
yeah i read it
i'm just gonna have to gear up clearly
arctic sedge
Safest bet yeah.
wind scroll
PRot warrior is fairly easy i think. But then again you can just go 950 ilvl and do the challenge xD
arctic sedge
Indeed.
spice thicket
I used gloves and shoulders for the challenge @925/930, took 5 tries but you can 1-2 shot if you can remember to dodge smashes under pressure unlike me lol. @barren onyx
dark creek
Can someone help me with trying to understand logs?
wide creek
I'm 946 with about 8.2 mil HP. Does this seem low? I know our HP pool is lower than, say, a druid's but 8.2 mil at my ilvl seems a little low, even for us.
wide creek
Gotcha ty
undone sun
iirc we have the lowest stamina at comparable ilevels
sick sentinel
prydaz or rethus for M+? both off pieces are of same ilvl
undone sun
prydaz
sick sentinel
Thank you!
brave shale
Hey all, just a quick one since the guide is not to specific: What legendary combo would be ideal? I have all the rings, shoulders and boots only 😛
undone sun
sever's not blockable, no @clever surge pretty much just need to use CDs
sephuz and soul most likely @brave shale
brave shale
Oke! I also read here, but thats quite long time ago, Waist and Walls fell together with tier 20 4pc and 21 2 pc is the way to go?
undone sun
defensively bracers/twf if you're using the tier combo, belt offensively instead of bracers
dark creek
Dropping 4pc t20 for just 2+2 works as well
brave shale
Oke thanks alot man!
dark creek
if youre comfortable with a little less self sustain
undone sun
😏
dark creek
Any of you beautiful stormforged have time to help me understand a log?
clever surge
is demo shout gonna be enough ?
dark creek
Can i link logs here?
timid jay
Yeah go ahead
dark creek
So im comparing myself to this guy
and im trying to figure out why he has so much vers?
foggy perch
@shut summit huge
timid jay
I would assume its just the gear hes gotten is heavy on vers
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Could always ask him directly @shut summit
dark creek
If you look at his stat budgets he has wayyyy more than i do
yeah hes a bit more geared than i am
timid jay
Oh
They might just have pulled when he has concordance up or something
It happens, dont put too much weight into the stats listed there
sick sentinel
would u recommend AHR>TGV on ST dps? 🤔 alternatives are chest/prydaz; Kaku's on 2nd slot
timid jay
Its just a snapshot of their stats once the pull started, so buffs are included in that
timid jay
npnp
sick sentinel
jokez if you can break AHR shield its best dps lego with kakushans also
but im just using belt tbh cba with breaking shield and stuff
unborn island
DPS - 955 eggshell vs 945 Diima's? IMO Diima's on multi target and eggshell on solo
glad venture
HeyGuys, i havnt been here since a Long time ago. Anyway i was thinking of going back to wow. And i know its Early to tell, but how do we see us in Tanking for xpac, and also how are we atm compared to others tanks