Decided to try it for lulz, 930 iLvl with prydaz, 2 shot FeelsGoodMan
#protection
plush trench
junior ivy
i wish the pally discord was as helpful as this one :/
ember arrow
pala discord is toxic af ayyy
tribal shale
guys do we have a list of spells that can be spell reflect or blocked?
gaunt dawn
@junior ivy if you ask gear related questions, the answer is usually going to be to simulate it, which was then followed by a guide/demonstration on how to sim
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
not helpful ur right
tranquil sand
i could not see it either @zodie
timid jay
Yup, does shitloads of damage and yiu dont waste a charge of the shield
tribal shale
lmao
does the spell reflect dmg actually goes into meters?
cause i never really seen it
granite pelican
Were there any spicy prot changes in 8.0.1 ptr?
honest mantle
Still way too soon to say anything
They will bring all tanks kinda together, like they did in legion, all tanks are capable to tank pretty much anything
tribal shale
i like every tank being capable of tanking anything
as long as they have distinct utilities
bears having bears and raid mov speed is dumb imo
warm plinth
Yeah I don't really care about the changes. Been through every expansion so far and classes change significantly in almost every one of them, so nothing new.
I'll adapt and/or have new favorite specs next expansion.
round vortex
I play 3 classes only and 3 specs. Prot Warrior, Fire Mage, Resto Druid (Although pretty up there for other mage specs and lolbearform).
But I'll always play Prot warrior + fire mage regardless of how powerful / weak blizzard makes them.
In reality - every class and every spec will have a use somewhere.
warm plinth
I have 10 110s currently, and more on the way. I play 5 or 6 regularly, with my focus being on two of them (rest do an M+ each week and that's about it). I'm not saying any spec is not viable or anything like that. But there have been substantial changes to specs in past expansions that just made the spec not fun for me anymore, so I stopped playing it regularly.
steel mauve
a couple of discords that are worthless, pallies, they just meme and are assholes over there, warlocks, theirs turned into an xmog discord, and rogues right after a new semi major patch with balance changes
undone sun
๐
honest mantle
To think you're not even at 2k ;p
junior ivy
lol every day i get closer
and my brh right now is only +11, if i can do a +15..
itll boost it nicely
honest mantle
Considering the amount you are pugging, or at least the amount I am noticing
junior ivy
been pugging a lot more lately now that my sisters playing wow again
she loves m+s
i need BRH and seat.
junior ivy
im tryin to get to #1, or at least #1 warrior tank
omfg look how close i am !!!
to # warrior tank...
that hurts
honest mantle
Oh, I would actually be #1 tank on your serer
left meteor
I like how Misha and Rexxar are connected realms
junior ivy
yup my realms super bad but i love it
left meteor
3169 on mine
hard wyvern
Top tank on mine is 3.7
left meteor
The top warrior tank on my server is actually a DPS main
hard wyvern
I'm only like 2.5 lol
junior ivy
i just wanna be 2k. i feel like 2k is a decent cut off for higher m+s
and will get me into pugs
timid jay
Definitely
honest mantle
There is no such thing as a "cutoff" for pugs
honest mantle
You just need to have a higher score than the leader, by about 500
timid jay
Gonna be hard if you're the leader
left meteor
7th warrior tank on my realm has no recorded BRH at all
junior ivy
m+ score is one thing makes me happy aobut being on a crappy realm
timid jay
Stuck in a endless loop
left meteor
Welp
honest mantle
That's some dead realm
undone sun
yeah im actually surprised there were as many prots on my realm with decent scores
junior ivy
yeh ive been on this realm since burning crusade so i just cnat leave iut feels like home
left meteor
I am 37th on my realm for tanks with 1085
merry cave
dapper marlin
With 4set what's better for DPS, heavy reprecussions or anger management
warm plinth
Anger Management, no matter what
undone sun
thought wrong
warm plinth
No real reason for it. You don't need more SB uptime for anything. And you lose damage.
And you lose CDs
honest mantle
LUL
warm plinth
Oh lawd
steel mauve
That hurts my heax
dapper marlin
Ravager is a huge noob trap
steel mauve
Head*
dapper marlin
It looks perfect for DPS
warm plinth
It's actually annoying how incredibly bad that talent is.
dapper marlin
You'd think it's the best DPS talent, right?
lament tulip
how is this in general?
undone sun
decent offensively
warm plinth
It's decent, but I am obliged to say it sucks because it's proc-based.
And I hate proc-based trinkets.
dapper marlin
I have a 950 versatility stat stick
warm plinth
I'm actually using that exact trinket right now @lament tulip Same ilevel and everything
dapper marlin
someone told me it was good for fury too
lament tulip
coolio, thanks boys
junior ivy
how do you avoid everyone dying on first boss of brh?
it looked like we killed all the thingies
warm plinth
What level?
undone sun
have to use personals
honest mantle
personals
warm plinth
Yeah, squishier people will probably need personals, though I imagine that you probably didn't kill them all.
junior ivy
me and healer were doing fine got him to like 8% then healer left. ugh
warm plinth
16 seems low for decent geared folks to be getting 1-shot with no spirits left
junior ivy
maybe we left some
warm plinth
No reason not to use personals for it though; once he does that, the fight is over
He never casts it again; just does the swirling shit and the reap souls cleave, which are all avoidable
junior ivy
i dunno why healer left ๐ฆ
warm plinth
Some people just have minimal patience. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
junior ivy
that run would amade me #1 prot warrior on my realm
warm plinth
I did a 13 tyrannical last week and we had people dying on every boss. Healer died to first shadow volley 3x in a row (one was a reincarn death lol) on last boss; I ended up having to solo the boss from 67% on my blood DK because no one could stay alive long enough to help me kill it.
13 minute fight
timid jay
Last boss is pretty nasty on tyrannical
Really sucks if people don't have cd's for the first volley
sick sentinel
what ilvl should I have for mythic antorus
undone sun
considering heroic starts dropping 945, around that
glass kernel
any has pointers for me? i will likely need to be on escort duty on varimathras today so given i wont be effectively hitting the boss alot ill run indomitable style build?
shut summit
undone sun
and only SR is needed if you're third tank
the dps build is recommended for that job, nothing special to it
and even if you were main tanking indom still isn't needed
glass kernel
Nice because i would not be comfortable with that anymore ๐
And i feel like a total dweep now but whats SR?
undone sun
spell reflect
glass kernel
pants will be a strong option then?
sick sentinel
is Heavy Repercussions better on imonar
undone sun
there's no fight where HR overpowers AM
honest mantle
Unless you solotank Varimathras ;p
unborn island
@undone sun thyme was surprised by how few on mine. Guess people just really don't rate prot warr
The scores drop very swiftly thereafter
I'm in top 5 for warriors. But 102 all tanks :(
sick sentinel
Hi guys what do U think of ignore pain CD in BFA ?
flat kelp
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17#difficulty=4&class=Warrior&spec=Protection
Omw First HM World Rank !
sick sentinel
Does it means that even if we try no 100% AM or IP all the time smell bad no ?
fallow knot
oh man the IP CD in BFA makes it literally unplayable. I've already proactively canceled my sub because it wont change before live. for sure
grave grove
read the pins
warm plinth
๐
fallow knot
I was mostly kidding because at this point its kind of meh to bother looking too far into it
sorry
grave grove
just making sure 
unborn island
Anyone here solo tanked aggramar? (I'm pretty sure @ember arrow ) said he had? If so, how did your raid survive the stacked adds? Or did you just get a druid to go bear form and off tank one while you blew up the other?
fallow knot
I'd like to think he just grew massive cajones and made his healers work overtime and tanked both on top of each other. that would be amazing
topaz sparrow
Im not sure I get why you would want to solo tank aggramar
unborn island
Because you can?
I tried it last night for the lolz, was absolutely fine until the adds Blew everyone up, managed to just about survive first adds then wiped on 2nd
Was also wondering if solotanking normal hounds might be possible
I reckon worldbreaker might be, as there's a spot just off to the side where the barrage knocks you in the air without moving you, but never tried
fallow knot
I brought that idea up with one of my healers just two nights ago. I think we're going to try it with me on my DK, and then 2 healers and 7 DPS. I think it would be fun, might be more plausible on my warrior though
do you happen to have a clip of some sort for that worldbreaker spot? I've heard this a few times but can't seem to find any videos of it and everytime I try it I just get fudged up
unborn island
I figure if you can stack the dogs on heroic, then it might be possible to solotank on NM - provided your healers spam you
I don't - it's about 5 yards to the left of the boss, there's a little sort of gap in the wall, wedge yourself in there
and use a CD ๐
fallow knot
well yeah obviously haha
bracers + 4pc & 2pc combo, inspiring presence would probably keep you mostly smoothed out with the healers being able to throw quick heals if you solo tanked normal doggies.
I wonder if IP would be more useful in that situation or if BDK's consumption (I'm pretty sure vampiric aura only applies to 5 people total though so probably not useful)
inspiring presence, not ignore pain
unborn island
I wanted to just try it with 2p, belt and gloves, and offensive trinkets, YOLO it
even though I can't see that increasing my DPS significantly vs stacking them
coral wolf
aaaand the first lego i get on my alliance warrior isssss timeless strategem fuck sake
fallow knot
I love strategem ๐ฆ being a gnome I bounce around like a tick as my healer says
its a fun legendary when you dont have any other options
coral wolf
its fun but id rather litterally any other one haha
fallow knot
I feel that
junior igloo
Used shoulders on half of the mythic bosses
fallow knot
was one of them immonar? that would be fun leaping across the bridge
honest mantle
Varimathras normal MADE me change from my monk to my warrior -.-
sturdy condor
Anyone tried solotanking vari normal?
i wanna try 0healing it with 1 tank, but not sure if i can stay alive long enough
obsidian siren
Hey people, i need your wise counsel
What boss would you go on after the Hounds?
Eonar? Or just as usual AHC > Hasa > Eonar?
unborn island
@sturdy condor I tried
Didn't go well because of the dmg debuff which comes with misery
Reckon it is doable though,especially with 100% mastery build
green canopy
Question: how does a prot warrior "cheese" mythic Varimathras?
distant pier
Final phase of Argus, how do you all manage to stay alive as long as possible. I think my max was 7 or 8 stacks
Heroic
zealous sleet
send help, i've to tank imonar M tonight
what the fuck am I supposed to fear ?
i'm 950 btw, good gracious lord
honest mantle
@distant pier Memes, lots and lots of memes
Here is something to analyze for you, maybe you can find out how I did it ๐
fair ingot
Cuz crit blocks.
arctic sedge
Must be why, yeah.
fair ingot
:D
arctic sedge
53% Mastery with 2 piece of the newest tier.
Mastery determines the crit block chance, right?
honest mantle
Yep
With 20800 with 2p t19 or 23000 without old tier, you are essentially a monk tank without the need to purify
leaden yarrow
12 le 13 stacks Max too. Keeping hard CD as much as possible, and a clean rotation with external etc ...
crit block helps a lot
honest mantle
(As long as it is blockable and you have SB up)
leaden yarrow
What was T19 buff ? Dont remember ^^
honest mantle
+10% chance to crit block
leaden yarrow
Oh yes ! ^^
fair ingot
Op op
honest mantle
Oh, and in the log I posted, it wasn't even the Scythe that killed me
leaden yarrow
2P 4P for me, with big HP Pull. And 12 13 stacks. I think itโs not that bad ๐
fair ingot
It's not. But for the love of God, just imagine having 100% chance to block 80% dmg of incoming hit :3
honest mantle
80%? 88%!
fair ingot
Ohh, I forgot about artifact :D
leaden yarrow
How Many stacks with T19? (Cant open thรฉ logs atm)
honest mantle
15 stacks, and the scythe didnt kill me
I had a dot from the falling debris, that killed me
leaden yarrow
That s a huge amount. Like 15x 250% damage ?
fair ingot
So yeah, basically you are fucking Steam train.
leaden yarrow
War prot are playing T19 on MM ?
honest mantle
This setup is only usable for VERY specific scenarios
I am thinking about maybe using it for high command mythic, and I am pretty sure I am going to need it for argus mythic, if I ever get there
fair ingot
Bro, that will be op at high m+ where is shit tons of hard mele-hitting mobs.
honest mantle
But melees are not the things killing me
You sacrifice incredible amounts of other stats and other goodies, like trinkets you would be a fool to use it for anything other than specific block only fights
fair ingot
I'm thinking about wearing braces + legs for m+ bosses
limpid locust
Guys how should I think about gear when it comes to casual tanking HC raid? Should I go for 4set of T20 + 2 set T21 and have like 7 mill HP or go for 2 set T21 and higher ilvl on rest and have like 8 million?
fair ingot
Ip is your actually hp
limpid locust
lp?
fair ingot
Ignore pain
honest mantle
Ignore Pain
honest mantle
Sometimes if you just have to deal with really high bursts, you should consider using a high EHP setup
limpid locust
Like 10 equipped difference
Also I have no tank leggys so using the movment boots + Sephuz
Any easy way to send all my items to get some help with what to equip? xD
fair ingot
Nahh, i would go for 4+2
unborn island
I wouldn't use 4+2 on heroic these days, but that's just me, I just use 2p T20 + high ilvl stuff. Depends on your healers etc though I guess
limpid locust
Okey, well what other gear would you use then? Should I run Sephuz + Boots or some other leggys?
unborn island
*2p T21
limpid locust
Also trinkets and ring?
fair ingot
No idea how yours stats look like
unborn island
hard to say as you have no prot leggos
sturdy condor
But @unborn island Well, with 1/0/9 setup on normal vari, you only have to stay alive for a certain amount of time, i reckon 1m 20 seconds. Can shuffle trinkets+cooldowns when you have SB downtime, and then you have to live on having enough rage to get up IP enough i suppose. the DTPS is around 650k-750k. So you have to cover that with ignore pain, given you dont take healing. So prydaz + gloves only got gloves as prot leggie) would be my legendaries
Late reply to your @, i just was watching lucifer
sturdy condor
Gonna be running 3x enhance for rainfall, so we dont need healers
They can keep up firedebuff dmg
500k hps from each rainfall
sturdy condor
You can try to tank it if you want, my enhance is better geared than my warrior. if you want it ๐
Actually both are 972 xd
unborn island
IDK how much damage the aura actually does, but if everyone is doing 2m dps it would need to be >60k DPS to kill anyone ๐
sturdy condor
But i've just been curious, ever since i started tanking on my warr, if its doable
unborn island
I am convinced it's solo tankable
ever since during a wipe on heroic i survived a long time with no healer
sturdy condor
All dps are gonna end fight at around 2.7-2.8 most prob, easy rank1s
unborn island
yeah, that should be enough to stay alive ๐
sturdy condor
Then we probably only need 1 enhance then
unborn island
I guess you also get what, 75% hero uptime too
sturdy condor
as 3 enhance is 1.2-1.3m hps overall, if people take constant damage
Nah, 50% prob, its gonna be longer than 1 min
unborn island
mmm, guess you'd need the enhance to heal the tank in the time when misery is down
it's probably possible, if you get a group happy to try it ๐
sturdy condor
You get misery downtime?
I thought you had misery whole fights, and had to rely on ignore pain
unborn island
you don't even need to, just stand in the boss so ppl within 8 yards ๐
sturdy condor
Lmao, then its eeeeasy
honest mantle
If you stand inside the boss you get the orb
sturdy condor
I thought you had to survive with misery whole fight
honest mantle
I tried it on heroic
sturdy condor
What orb?
unborn island
the circle
sturdy condor
Fissure?
honest mantle
The arrow thingy
honest mantle
Yea that thing
sturdy condor
i have some loghorny guys in my guild who are probably up for it
unborn island
I also have less gear than your warrior, i'm a meagre 968
unborn island
but would love to improve my rank 7 on nm vari ๐
sturdy condor
Going to the gym now, but i'll gather 9 dps after and we can give it a go, my normal log for vari is 2.2, but my hc is 2.6, weird. Need a phat r1
2.75m is r1 enhance, that we can beat. And youll probably get r1 as tank aswell
honest mantle
But since there are no healers and you have to take all misery melees, bracers are pretty much mandatory, so I guess no r1 prot warrior
sturdy condor
Is it though
Ignore pain keeps you alive enough for rainfall from enhance to heal you?
honest mantle
Dunno
sturdy condor
if i run 3x enhance, it will be around 500k hps on the tank, + your inspiring presence at a 2m dps is 40k more, should be fine. Run a shadowpriest aswell in s2m
s2m + their healing ability in "oh shit" moment
unborn island
no IP on the tank I guess, but yeah
sturdy condor
And remember the fight will be shoooort
honest mantle
one spriest with s2m? how about 6?
sturdy condor
Can do, can do
IF we build insanity on pack before, as fight might be too short even
Only got 2x 970+ sp in guild, ill bring both
honest mantle
To be fair, I need to sleep every once in a while, so not in the next few hours for me ^^
sick sentinel
I have read the pins and im still not sure what trinkets I should use
unborn island
What trinkets do you have, and what do content are you running?
sick sentinel
I have the archimonds and aggramars and im doing raids
wich ones should I get
darkmoon deck?
diimas?
unborn island
You mean leggos or trinkets? Are they your only 2 legendaries? Which level of raids? Normal? Mythic?
Darkmoon deck is really good, and yes you should get it
Diima's also very good
I have DmD but I don't use anymore as I don't do any content where me dying is an issue if I play correctly
flat kelp
@green canopy : Play with legs and gloves, use 2 SB after each taunt, stack IPs, SR each debuff, you'll never get under 90% hp. I killed him yesterday for the first time, i played with Chrono Shard since i didnt lose HPs...
@distant pier : I went to 14 or 15 stacks before next one killed me. You can handle 5-6th first with only SB (depends on your ilvl, 971 eq atm), 7th NF, 8th LS, 9th you're still under LS, 10 and 11th SW, 12th Aggramar's trinket, 13th NF, 14th 2 external, 15th 2 external < here you're crying and praying. Ofc, you try to have DS, prio for 8th and 9th coz you need a bit mitigation, and for last ones. DS can handle 3 scythes.
@zealous sleet : Nothing hard p1 p3 p5, boss hits hard p2 and p4. Try to ask your cham heal to take res totem, then you can stack all the bridge and suicide on the totem. If you don't, suicide and use a BR if you have to clean the bridge. Suicide a DPS 2nd bridge's clean.
unborn island
Darkmoon deck is a good start, Aggramar trinket is good, but very situational
truth is there's no correct answer about what trinket you should use in a given situation
ideally try and get all of them, Diima's, Eye, Apocalypse, Aggramar all have their uses
zealous sleet
Ey thanks bud, iโll see w/ the rsham
unborn island
otherwise, Haste stat sticks from the relinquished vendor are good (use fury spec)
I usually run the Argus tank trinket and Diima's for most stuff, decent mix of survivability and damage.
flat kelp
@zealous sleet And btw if nobody did think about it, use the speed potion
flat kelp
it shares CD with potions, dosn't it ? Potion is better to use
zealous sleet
Ye, but IRC it can bug and skyrockets you in the sky instead of boosting ur MS
So yea, will stick to pots
sick sentinel
@unborn island ok thx I will try to get as many as possible and save the bad ones I have too
unborn island
Yeah - sorry I can't give a better answer, there's so many times where trinkets are awesome in specific situations but awful in others, I think I keep about 10 in my bags at any given point
flat kelp
Since i dropped a chrono shard, i don't play defensive trinkets, none is rly gamebreaker but aggramar's conviction for your raid
sick sentinel
finally got pantheon trinket today
FeelsGoodMan
got a question guys, what trinket and leggo combination is the best for maximising dps
west kayak
@sick sentinel I run Pantheon with either Chrono Shard or a Haste stat stick.
sick sentinel
@west kayak I see, don't have Chrono though :C I think from now on I will go with Pantheon and Eye/DmD for some defensive value also
I am just having dillema with leggos
Wrists are mvp for some fights, where i have health problems, but I think if I wanna maximise dps for easier fights I should go with Kaku and TWF. What do U think?
west kayak
As anyone will say it matters which ones you have. The Walls Fell is an amazing Lego for 2p T21 for suvivability and dps(somewhat).
Gloves and Waist for max dps, especially on trash and boss's with adds.
Me personally I run Sephuz, when I know I can constantly proc it, and the belt for dps. Pairing those with Chrono and Pantheon.
DPS that is.
untold vigil
archi trinket is pretty ok for st dps too
flat kelp
i never saw a high world rank with archi trinket
sick sentinel
Hmm, i think I will give it a shot later on then, I will try TWF and Kaku combo first
west kayak
Another player in a pug posted to me our run on Eonar(Normal) and I guess I got rank 2 with that above combo.
sick sentinel
Nice!
west kayak
It was cool to see it. 1.3m dps.
sick sentinel
ye hahah, when I was first doing it I thought that the blizzard didn't add any crucial mechanics to it
livid vector
Hey guys! I've been in the server for quite a while and I have a question now that our guild is progressing on Imonar Mythic. In the event that someone has already cleared it as a prot warrior! How many mines you reckon we can handle when clearing the bridge? Main reason I'm asking is because as a Warrior we can't really spam Ignore Pains when there's nothing to hit ๐ Buttress-Outland is my character in case anyone's wondering for context/relevance.
Thanks in advance!
flat kelp
I went to max 8 stacks as our rcham didnt play with res totem, i just ran to imonar and generate rage, i can handle something like 10-15s healing myself alone (gloves + wraiths). I used DmD + Aggramar's trinket (3s without taking damage is awesome on this phase !). Our hpal goal was to run fast enough to me to heal me till debuff goes off.
i think you'll handle easier generating imonar than staying on bridge waiting for your healers to heal you. It's maybe easier with t20, i can't play with since my pieces are 915.
generating on imonar*
livid vector
Yeah I'm on a similar boat there, my T20 pieces aren't worth equipping due to ilvl. Started progressing into ToS Mythic too late into the tier. Alright, so you reckon we're better off popping the mines then just head to Imonar and bash him for as long as possible, preferably with a healer getting to us before we ultimately die. ๐ค
I know towards the last phase that's usually what happens. You die then get battle ressed right?
flat kelp
I think best idea is to use a res totem from rcham, my guild asked me to clear as must as possible the bridge, as we had bonobos who need a heavy pass to not trigger mines. You can go for less if you don't have bonobos :p
We suicided a DH dps using is invulnerability, then i could reach the boss with all buff and 100% life, easier than after getting a res.
livid vector
That at the very last phase yeah?
flat kelp
ye, the second red bridge clean, going to p5
livid vector
Figured as much. Alright, well I got some talking to do with the rest of the group, thanks for your input @flat kelp! Really appreciate it.
junior igloo
Well I though we were talking about 1st/3rd bridge.
On 2nd/4th, the 1 person just runs all the way through while raid is stacked for healer cooldown and then they just run when the path is clear.
livid vector
1st and 3rd bridge are also important so I'll keep the "4" in mind.
We just got to Imonar last night and we're still getting the hang of it. Really appreciate your suggestions ๐
One thing I do like to see as a tank warrior is the amount of damage we just ignore, have found hard to roll druid because of it ๐
timid jay
If you are going to suicide clear one of the red bridges, bring some skystep potipns
flat kelp
Prot war mitigates a lot of dmg, but i'm still waiting for aggramar and argus M... My drood is closely ready to get back if warrior is rly worse to end the progress with. But for now, we are on shivarra, and war deals good on this fight
timid jay
Aggramars deals no damage at all to Prot warriors
flat kelp
We are going to try every bosses with my main war, but i keep my drood in the pocket to swap if guild feels it would be better with
livid vector
Going for the same here @flat kelp
timid jay
Can't speak for argus, but aggramars is really easy as Prot warrior
livid vector
Woop!
timid jay
Took double flame rend and foe breaker no problem
Second foe breaker hit for 5M with sw+nf
quiet delta
what is the difference between argus normal and heroic tanking wise except from damage?
flat kelp
melee adds pop 2 times in hm, and in p4 scythe debuff dosnt go off, you have to stack the most you can before dieing
void kite
Yup
quiet delta
worth using avoidance then to take more stacks in p4?
void kite
Imo not really you just need to rotate cooldowns with shield block and you can take a whole lot
quiet delta
so which 2 trinkets are the go to for argus from these I got: apocalypse drive, eye of f'harg, writhing heart of darkness, darkmoon deck: immortality, riftworld codex, aggramar's convinction
and I guess bracers and legs will be the go to legendaries
untold vigil
for hc argus @flat kelp just posting this rotation earlier:
I went to 14 or 15 stacks before next one killed me. You can handle 5-6th first with only SB (depends on your ilvl, 971 eq atm), 7th NF, 8th LS, 9th you're still under LS, 10 and 11th SW, 12th Aggramar's trinket, 13th NF, 14th 2 external, 15th 2 external < here you're crying and praying. Ofc, you try to have DS, prio for 8th and 9th coz you need a bit mitigation, and for last ones. DS can handle 3 scythes.
of the ones you have, the pantheon trinket is probably a must, beyond that i would guess maybe DMD or heart, maybe leaning toward DMD but it probably doesn't matter much
as for legendaries, yes to bracers, but then i would probably go gloves instead of legs
sand light
Someone might want to take a sec to update the resources/faq post. It's still linking to the 7.2.5 guide
sand light
Yeah it was confusing the shit out of me earlier cause it seemed so disconnected from what people were actually oding lul
untold vigil
i never look at the one in #268491842637660160, just the pins here
steel mauve
Twf ring and bracers single target with tier combo, belt is used for aoe
Bracers/gloves/belt without combo mainly
sick sentinel
ty
sick sentinel
Guys quick question... Dark moon deck immortality still the go to trinket?
fleet galleon
It's pretty good but I believe Diimas glacial aegis is considered better now cos of item level
steel mauve
Depends on if you want dps
Defensivly dmd is the best physical mitigation trinket
In terms of raw melee attacks
But diimas will have more dps due to the ilvl and strength to it
fleet galleon
As well as the effect of course
brave mauve
If your tank-swap is something with a big smack, then taunt, then Diima's beats it (aggramar, or something like KJ in tos). If something where it's just 'oh no, too many stacks lol' then DMD is stilll competitive
rough basin
hey guys, i'll soon be buying a lego, what piece should i pray to RNG gods for dps?
rough basin
i heared gloves, but not sure
junior ivy
gloves are good but i think you can only use them if youre not using 4pc t20 and 2pc t21
i use gloves and wrists, and 2pc t21
i dont use any t20
but i know most here do
untold vigil
gloves are probably best dps leggo
if you want dps, you won't be wearing the t204pc/t21 2pc combo, so you can wear gloves
rough basin
why you cant use em if u have 4pc t20
untold vigil
the wombo-combo for survival is 4pc t20 and 2 pc t21 at the same time, which requires you to use gloves on one of either t20 or t21
stone imp
Gloves ST, belt multi.
rough basin
ah, im dumb, lol
untold vigil
but if you're going for dps, you wouldn't wear the survival combo, so you can easily fit in gloves
junior ivy
thats my set up. but im not purposely going dps lol., i just cant be bothered going back to t omb
stone imp
2p t21 is a solid DPS increase and lets you build up big IPs quickly, so unless you're still rocking high ilvl t20, it's usually going to make sense to just move on from it.
and 4pc isn't terrible, just not amazing
junior ivy
im tryin to get t21 4pc for fury
is it useful at all for prot
i never see anyone mention it
like would it be worth using
stone imp
It's worth using, particularly handy for mythic+s/multitarget fights
junior ivy
oo ionly got one more leggo to upgrade to 1000
once ive upgraded every leggo to 1000 what do i use my titan essence thingies for?
they jsut useless?
stone imp
Buying more legendaries
dusk locust
you target any particular 4 pieces for t21? probably not gloves because kakushan
junior ivy
but i got all warrior legendaries ๐ฆ
stone imp
Then you get to try a new class, I suppose
rough basin
you can buy legos for other alts
junior ivy
oh i dont play alts ๐ฆ lol
rough basin
its a random clas tho
junior ivy
maybe i should start
stone imp
In general you're going highest ilvl and set pieces where you don't need to sacrifice those levels
If you have a 980 chest, I probably wouldn't bother to equip a 945 tier piece, for example.
cloak, gloves, shoulders, legs have lower stat budgets (roughly in order) than helm and chest
outer rampart
Hey guys, sorry if this is written somewhere but I mained prot in legion until launch of nighthold and switched off because I hated Devastator, is that still the go to talent for prot warriors?
west kayak
@outer rampart Yes, you still use the Dev talent.
cinder pasture
Wich 2 trinkets do you guys think would be best for Argus HC ? Got DMD, 945 diimas, 950 eye, and 980 Aggramar's conviction to choose from ๐
outer rampart
I hated the moments where nothing proced and I was just sitting there, I like spamming essentially
stone imp
The idea of not spamming felt bad after years of spamming, then you realized it was the best thing ever.
those moments don't really materialize in real life now
you're always hitting a button if you're taking damage
Sometimes when you're not, there's a lull here or there from a lack of RFDT
wintry heron
At what ilvl should I replace a relic from just pure ilvl upgrade but trait downgrade? Just got a 945 relic with HC Leap CDR and Dragon Skin and current relic is 930 with Revenge damage and Dragon Skin
stone imp
Unless someone has done some good simming, you'd take the 945
wintry heron
Aight, bye bye my 2x 7/7s
stone imp
Bastion is the only one that doesn't feel like you can put an ilvl number on its value, purely defensively
And the middle traits are usually the ones you're going to value all other things being roughly equal.
Some of those NLC tier 2 traits are kinda crud
wintry heron
Ye I swapped from Master of Shadows in the 930 to Dark Sorrows in the 945
stone imp
Dark Sorrows is insane for AoE, so more than makes up for the revenge relic I assume
It's like 2x the damage in comparison Master of Shadows in AoE and just a little worse in ST
wintry heron
I don't really play Prot as the end all be all of my warrior, it's just in the occasional off chance my guild needs it or Im doing m+
So perfect relics are reserved for dps
deft sapphire
For the most part you can ignore ilvl on relics
T2 dps traits/thunder crash/revenge damage are far better than any ilvl dps wise
And master of shadows/bastion far better than ilvl defensively
stone imp
Unless prot is special and has some ridiculously overbudget on the revenge relic, there's for sure a break even point for ilvl for both offense and defense that isn't unbound
tranquil sand
i attempted to off tank hc argus for my huild and i miserably failed and died at the very second scuthe in the last phase. I did admittedly fail to properly time shield block, but will it be enough? or will need to be like: 1. just block, 2. block+last stand, Block+ shield wall?
i only made 2 attempts and the log is probably extremely poor performance wise, but please tell me all that there is to know
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FGhAz6Da8PNLMJ1b/#fight=2&type=damage-taken&source=4&start=1138475&end=1186905&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24129013022.0.0.Warrior%24false%24132404^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24129013022.0.0.Warrior%24false%24258039&view=events
steel mauve
You can take more than 2 scythes on heroic with only SB
5+ may want to start chaining cd's after that for last phase
fresh dragon
yoooo matee!! what do u think about Highmountain Tauren ?? is it better than TAUREN normal?
for tanking i mean
with 10M HP i calculated the racial damage recuctio is 180k per hit
steel mauve
Also, your last death on wipe one, you didnt hit SB for almost 30 seconds...
untold vigil
here is something posted earlier about HC argus and a possible CD pattern
tranquil sand
i was chain ressing0-dying there
untold vigil
for hc argus @flat kelp just posting this rotation earlier:
I went to 14 or 15 stacks before next one killed me. You can handle 5-6th first with only SB (depends on your ilvl, 971 eq atm), 7th NF, 8th LS, 9th you're still under LS, 10 and 11th SW, 12th Aggramar's trinket, 13th NF, 14th 2 external, 15th 2 external < here you're crying and praying. Ofc, you try to have DS, prio for 8th and 9th coz you need a bit mitigation, and for last ones. DS can handle 3 scythes.
obvs that depedns on ilvl, your healers, but it seems pretty reasonable
give or take a scythe number
stone imp
Realistically before the last phase there's no reason to take more than 4 and during the last phase, there's not a lot of reason to take 14.
valid panther
I feel like if you're getting to 15 something went HORRIBLY wrong
stone imp
It's mostly to say you did, I assume
untold vigil
might as well use your cds to take as many as possible, no?
stone imp
Yes, but your healers are dealing with the increased damage in between
So you're doing no one any favors
Each time you're a little harder to heal than the last. On those 14th where he's calling for externals
The ones before that, he's probably near 0 HP
Just die and take the load off
tranquil sand
@steel mauve can you tellme what minute that sounds weird, mu current prob is spamming it needlessly most of the time
stone imp
To hit SB? Right before the counter on DBM says the scythe is coming
gloomy estuary
we are doing antorous burning throne heroic full clear 945+ silvermoon alliance
steel mauve
At 9:22, you hadnt hit shield block for 29 seconds, while tanking the boss, the cd recharge is about a third of thay
steel mauve
A 2.9m hit took you out from dps not killing an orb, or you standing in the aoe circle, but taking melees with no active up hurts a lot
tranquil sand
im sorry im just tilted
thorn wind
does anyone have crucibleweights for prot?
steel mauve
Died at 9:22
Granted you werent tanking the boss near that long, but did take melees with no active up, also should have ignore pain up for scythes
If possible
scenic dune
@thorn wind we don't have weights so much, but we do have a priority list in the pins
thorn wind
that's a shame
untold vigil
why?
prisma crane
some people just want addons to play the game for them
even though if you took a few min to actually read about the crucible for us, you'd know that the choices arent even tough to make
hardest choice we have is to go for surv or dmg
thorn wind
eh it's my third spec, cant be bothered remembering all traits
hard wyvern
I see so many increased revenge damage or increased shield slam crit drop from raid
But I dont' want to lose my armor lol
hard wyvern
Nice. Isn't supposed to run better than 11 or 9?
sick sentinel
dircectx ?
open field
whats better eye of shatug or fharg? i jsut got it on myth and im usually a fury
open field
ok what if the other tank got it to so i use the str one on every boss?
sick sentinel
whats the highest ilvl of darkmoon deck 900 right?
prisma crane
yes @sick sentinel and generally @open field that synergy doesnt happen often, but if your other tank is willing to have the other one active then you gain more from it
open field
ok ty ๐
prisma crane
but, the stam one is useful on fights where armor does little for you
but you'll gain more dmg from the STR one always
tranquil kraken
Crucible weights do help a lot when deciding between similar-sounding traits though...can't recall their names off the top of my head but there's a light and shadow trait that basically sound like they do the same thing but with different numbers
does a proc-based damage and self-heal, in both cases
hidden kindle
Is everyone still running T20 4p + T21 2p? It would seem so from the guide but 0/7 prot warriors who have logged Argus Mythic used it and almost no one used it on aggramar mythic either. A bit out of the loop since I rolled over to fury main in ToS
tranquil kraken
how am I supposed to know which one of those to pick without looking up the RPPM or something? lol
prisma crane
generally speaking, in that scenario, the shadow one is slightly more dmg and the light one "can" heal, but you have to know which ones dont heal us and only others via insp pres
that said
that only happens if those two are in the T2 slots and the choice you want in T3 is mid
tranquil kraken
Or if none of the T3 choices are better than the other - but I understand your point...just saying that in some cases, it really does come down to math regarding the specifics of the trait that aren't spelled out in the tooltip
mighty mason
Ok
I will take a laugh on the chin and all but I am alting fury warrior and I decided to try prot challenge
I wiped 90 times so far, best pull was 8%
I am 950equipped but no leggos (wich I think dont make such a difference since I am overgeared)
I am either getting knocked off
Or various stupid reasons
How do I deal adds on this ilvl
Should I just kill em all
gaunt igloo
the small ones? just shockwave and weave your rotation with revenges and claps, that should be enough to get them low enough
mighty mason
I wont stop untill I do it. I know its couse I am bad at it but I just came here for a tip if there is any
Big one is tossing me off
I thought he need to come close to smash but he sometime chase me
gaunt igloo
being knocked off i'd say is bad movement during the fight, might be something to watch out for that youre not paying enough attention...
mighty mason
Sometimes he just smash from distance.
I am aware that its couse of that. Thank you my brother. I will inform everyone and open a bottle when I do it !!! ๐
prisma crane
@tranquil kraken if the T3 traits are shit, then often the relic isnt worth replacing, so idk, at least personally, in the fairly rare occasions you dont have a great relic and the new one is worse but better ilvl you might have to check a guide quick, idk
but for surv it's a joke, bastion, y/n? y? upgrade, n? not worth
replace? only if higher ilvl with bastion
for dmg, rev and tclap almost exclusively
T2 dmg is same as all other classes, TtW or Shadowbind
i get that if it's a 3rd alt and stuff, idk
but at that point, you dont play it enough that matters anyways so just pick whichever you want
hard wyvern
I wouldn't use soul since you don't get use out of it during battlecry
wall's fell is pretty good
left meteor
My last 2 missing leggos are Kakushan's and Ararat's monkaS
Imma use Wall's Fell for a while I guess
hard wyvern
Yeah for sure, see how you like it
Kakushan's is nice for rage generation and damage, ararat's is good for fights with big spell hits like varimathras in antorus or the first boss in maw
turbid horizon
If the t21 didn't have the 1 second cooldown, it would be broken for M+
sturdy condor
@honest mantle you here?
honest mantle
Now I am
prisma crane
#summoned
honest mantle
If you give me about 25 minutes when my boost is done
sturdy condor
Got 7 guildies ready to go aswell, we just finished raid
Ill ask if they wanna wait
honest mantle
I think someone is trying to scam us....
prisma crane
haha, i'd love to give it a shot but im at work for the next 4 hrs
Fray is your man
plus, btw, i feel like im one of the few, but an NA alli player here
timid jay
NA certainly feels more common than EU
timid jay
Word
prisma crane
i feel like everyone is EU lol
and I'm all for quality as well
I'm ThE bEsT pLaYeR Na
green isle
left meteor
17k Haste in Prot now ๐ค
prisma crane
ez pz
timid jay
Why isnt The Doyn green???
prisma crane
that's like 47%? or something?
left meteor
45.6%
left meteor
17100 Haste exactly
green isle
the doyn works in the shadows
timid jay
The secret leader of skyhold
sturdy condor
Schmidi
timid jay
The Odyn is just a puppet of The Doyn
left meteor
Nudo
sturdy condor
You horde EU?
left meteor
yes
sturdy condor
Nice
prisma crane
Illuminati Confirmed
sturdy condor
Come
left meteor
I'm a pleb
left meteor
I have 72 traits in my prot wep
sturdy condor
Rip
left meteor
No Ararat's
sturdy condor
We need a phat protwarrior
gaunt igloo
hey guys, was going over the stats for the move from 4t20 to current gear, and i'd like an input from you
those are from t20 to current set and offset pieces
fair ingot
Ez 96% crit block chance
prisma crane
those numbers are always going to look that way @gaunt igloo
ilvl alone will do that
the benefit comes from rage gen
@fair ingot sadly, unless you hit 100% , it's pointless ๐ฆ
fair ingot
shhh
hidden kindle
i just looked at the same stuff, when would there ever be a cut off point?
left meteor
@fair ingot better have 7/7 BotA
prisma crane
plus i found it easier to just do it without T19
fair ingot
you can just put on highest mastery items in your eq
prisma crane
@hidden kindle it comes down to whether or not you feel you need/want the extra CDR and bracer heals
otherwise 4pT21 is solid
same with just better stats in 2p T21
prisma crane
but the rage you get from 4p2p is nuts
green isle
you need like big items to offset the loss of stamina etc
prisma crane
you'd have to use T19 with mastery already on them
otherwise, it's not worth it
imo at least
gaunt igloo
that and the stat loss from using low ilvl gear
gaunt igloo
the armor and str alone make a huge difference, even with the 100% mastery
green isle
mythic nh bosses should die in like 1 minute with current dps
15 ilvl increase on both pieces assuming no WF procs
hidden kindle
ive played with the 4p +2p and yea its a ton of rage, just seemd weird that it wouldnt be overtaken by 600k hp, 8% haste, 3% mastery, 3k str etc
gaunt igloo
600k hp isnt worth much, as warriors, i feel
timid jay
If something a small amount of health matter more for us
gaunt igloo
so mostly ignore that and see if the 8% haste and 3k str is enough for the rage generation
sturdy condor
SOOO who is up for the challenge guys? Solotanking vari normal in a 1/0/9 grp?
World r1 speedkilll
timid jay
With our high % DR, that small amount of health becomes a very big amount of EHP
green isle
why do you care so much about a normal vari speedkill
hidden kindle
reason im curious also is cause it said in one of the guides that one might drop the T20 when you get mythic gear for T21. i have every piece in my gear (set and off set) 960 or higher with haste+ mastery
gaunt igloo
@timid jay sure, but i mean, the haste % feels a lot more important for the shield block cd reduction and the str for IPs
sturdy condor
The Doyn, you wanna do it?
green isle
no
gaunt igloo
@hidden kindle then youre probably good to go (also, on the bright side, you wont hit BR during felhounds accidentally anymore ๐ )
hard wyvern
I dropped T20 for T21 pretty early for some fatty 970-980 titan forges
sturdy condor
Wait for frayytrain i suppose
hidden kindle
hehe well I dont really tank in raids anymore, main fury since ToS thats why im out of the loop ๐
timid jay
There is a reason why ilvl is valued higher for us than just haste
Stamina is a part of that @gaunt igloo
fair ingot
Got it ๐
hidden kindle
while I have youy guys on the hook perhaps I can ask how strong ilvl really is then, cause I have 970 pants with haste+mastery and 980 with crit vers
at that point the ilvl cant win out i would guess?
gaunt igloo
obviously, but like i mentioned, i feel it's not as big of a deal than the other stats in thepackage
hard wyvern
I'd run 970 haste mastery
But either should actually be fine
due to str/stam from 10 ilvl
hidden kindle
would kakushan once again be better than walls fel if I drop the T20 or is it just better by virtue of the T21 2p?
timid jay
Kakushan edges out in raw RPS
If you really need the extra SW usages TFW could be usable, but I dont really see any usecase for that
hidden kindle
cool thanks
left meteor
What's the cloak enchant called that gives you movementspeed=
hidden kindle
one last thing and ill stop bothering you guys, but is the T21 4p worth anything really? or should I drop it for just about any gain in stats?
gaunt igloo
i'd say no, it's decent but not worth the ilvl difference, or bad itemisation from set pieces
timid jay
4p does bring a lot of value
hard wyvern
It looks good for aggramar
timid jay
With the changes to how it works
cinder pasture
Finally that's done ๐
timid jay
๐
hidden kindle
since I main fury I have mythic ilvl head, shoulder, chest, gloves but not legs or head
so to get kakushan i would have to drop the 4p
so question i guess is if kakushan is better than walls fel + 4p
timid jay
Defensively, it would definitely be worth it to use a heroic piece to finish up 4p if you have
hidden kindle
well I have 4p mythic if i play walls fel + bracers but if i want kakushan i would have to drop to 920 legs
gaunt igloo
you could also use thundergods, it's not as good as kakushans, i'd say, but also has some value, if you dont have other pieces
hidden kindle
have every lego for warrior except thundergods >.>
timid jay
Id go for the 920 legs and kaku for a defensive setup
4p does bring a lot of value, its a good boost to IP
hidden kindle
cool, thanks
hard wyvern
I still don't have pantheon trinket ๐ญ
gaunt igloo
RIP
hard wyvern
I do have my 4pc set and a dank apoc drive ready for ag prog tonight
turbid horizon
24 stacks of sweeping scythe, would have been more, but we killed the boss
block OP
hard wyvern
๐ฒ
untold vigil
@timid jay what changes to 4p do you mean? i must've missed something.
prisma crane
it gives you a boost to next IP if you dont have an IP currently active
timid jay
^
hard wyvern
Do you know the name of the buff that it gives you? I'm gonna make a wa for it
undone sun
Stand Your Ground
hard wyvern
Thanks
undone sun
undone sun
from PTR to live
prisma crane
when it went live
wheat jasper
i hate ignore pain so much ๐ฆ
timid jay
4p feels pretty strong tbh
undone sun
i use it in my aoe set
left meteor
Yeah with Stand your Ground 4 set is actually good
untold vigil
i went full 4p last night for the first time and it was good
left meteor
Because you always get the value
hidden kindle
wait WHAT Is this live???
hidden kindle
doesnt even say in the tool tip still
hard wyvern
So the bonus can go over the regular absorb cap
untold vigil
huh
timid jay
iirc the normal IP cap still stands, even with that bonus
afaik the only way to extend it apart from more AP/versa and so on is dragon scales
gaunt igloo
didnt know about that, do you know if the current WA for IP acknowledges that?
untold vigil
i just checked and t21 isn't listed
t18 is called out explicitly, so i would guess it is not accounted for
sturdy condor
untold vigil
although it was updated on 1/23/18
sturdy condor
Easy
hard wyvern
My normal IP cap is 4mil, I stacked T21 4pc to 6 mil and it gave me the 6 mil shield
timid jay
Hmm
timid jay
Interesting
untold vigil
๐
timid jay
Will have to test it myself later then
undone sun
yeah, that's actually true
timid jay
Cool
timid jay
Wait so it actually goes over the cap or not?
hard wyvern
Yeah, if you check the aura, it'll tell you the initial shield it gives you
but yeah the WA will cap out
prisma crane
sounds really good for a fight like Vari then
honest mantle
I would love to see Vari with 1/0/29 for the ultimate warrior healing log xD
prisma crane
lol
hard wyvern
So it looks like the stand your ground buff does have a cap, but if you have IP up already with the buff, you can go over
tranquil sand
how does the damage reduction formula work for shield block? multiplicative with other reductions of additive?
prisma crane
multi
timid jay
All DR's are multiplicative, except a few that are a flat number as DR
junior ivy
what are tomorrows affixes again i forget
undone sun
teeming necro tyran
hard wyvern
Okay, so you can't stack stand your ground while IP is up. FeelsBadMan
At least on the training dummies I couldn't
undone sun
correct, because stand your ground is only the Next IP buff
the original 4pc is current active, which is still in affect
stand your ground is just the failsafe for when you dont have an IP active
hard wyvern
Yeah that makes sense
junior ivy
wil BRH be harder tomorrow or tonioght?
hard wyvern
I was hoping that you could stack it duirng your current IP buff for the next one
hard wyvern
Both tomorrow
hard wyvern
Unlesss you havee a good cc comp
junior ivy
nope random pugs
undone sun
seat doesn't have any comfortating affixes, you just have to play it safe regardless
hard wyvern
I'd run it tonight
junior ivy
k ill tyr them both tonight ๐ฆ
honest mantle
@junior ivy Did you finally break the 2k barrier?
junior ivy
im gettin there, slowly
gonna try and do brh and seat tonight
should get me to like 1950 or 1975
then ill work on some others
honest mantle
BRH is really annoying on the bat stairs
junior ivy
yeah i can imagine ๐ฆ
but i gotta do it.
my current brh is =11, not in timer
just realized i didnt finish my timewalkings
ugh
turbid horizon
I just got 2k, in my stupidity I tried to do a 20 seat
wiped on 3 slimes
repeatedly
I think I'll just get a 15 seat done next week and never do it again
oh wait it's teeming necrotic next week
๐ฆ
languid rose
as if seat doesn't have enough trash
primal rain
Where does prot rank in easiness of tanks
timid jay
Would say its among the harder, low health pool makes it very unforgiving if you mess up your AM
tough gull
I would say Druid is by far the easiest
prisma crane
i've only ever really played prot warr so it feels natural, but many say it's among the hardest to play
for exactly Cosmo's reason, you fuck up, everyone knows
untold vigil
i think there are things that are harder for other tanks that come easy for warrior
prisma crane
even sometimes something little
but i'd argue a lot of that falls under cheese, but yea
untold vigil
it's not as important these days, but i can rip threat off of basically any tank. it's mostly an annoyance these days, but it is something that is easier for warrior
survival, yeah, it's easy to get punished if you space out
gleaming folio
Hey, could someone tell me what ilvl t20 becomes not worth it? Please and thank you ๐
prisma crane
i mean this nicely but
if you're at the point you have to ask that
T20 is still worth ๐
there are moments that higher T21 and offpieces do exceed (in most areas), but it's usually around full 960+ gear
and also depends on your T20 gear
all 955? prob never, all 915? probably around that 960+ mark
untold vigil
i'd say it has to do with: "do you have trouble surviving? if yes, then then wear the combo"
junior ivy
i have no idea what to spend my bonus rolls on anymore ๐ฆ
untold vigil
that depends on your raid comp and your difficulty and fight more than ilvl
untold vigil
but i tried out 4pt21 on dogs last night and actually did more 'healing' than the previous week with tier combo... and we were discussing earlier that the 4pt21 behaves differently than stated on the armor tooltip which makes it better than it seems at first, so the gap between them is probably less
(i think this is a pretty standard pattern: at first people think tier bonuses are bad, then grudging acceptance, then they become good. it happened with t20, and seems to be happening with t21)
(although, to be fair the 4pt20 love has a lot to do with synergy with 2pt21)
turbid horizon
I have to prewarn tanks in pugs that I will rip threat from them, because I don't pay attention to omen and do as much dps as possible
gleaming folio
prot warriors just look the most fun out of all the tanks tbh haha
untold vigil
you don't need t20 to tanks effectively in abt
gleaming folio
I have a full H t20 set
but i was thinking about pugging some mythic tomb for some upgrades
turbid remnant
are hand/belt legends still BiS?
prisma crane
first off, 4p2p is just fun
so you have to try it regardless
@turbid remnant yes unless you run 4p2p tier
gleaming folio
yeah i have t21 as well so im looking forward to it ๐
left meteor
If I tanked in our guild I'd be ripping threat off immediately tbh. Our tanks do less than 500k on all encounters iirc.
prisma crane
@junior ivy i've been there for weeks, just coin bosses with the biggest chance for upgrades
turbid remnant
gotcha ty, also T21>T20 for prot
prisma crane
and if you're looking for WF/TF just coin the ones that you only have base ilvl on
um
2p T21 is god tier
4p T20 just has great synergy with T21 2p
as well as being strong on it's own
4p T21 is about the same value as T20 4p (or 2p independantly) but without the synergy with 4p2p
turbid remnant
what legends would you use with 2p4p though
left meteor
Bracers are pretty good
They are even better with 4p2p because rage generation goes through the roof
gleaming folio
How do you get so much haste haha, reading the guide and it says 35-40 % ๐ฎ
prisma crane
what guide?
because
there's no amount of haste you "need"
unless you're reading the guide posted here, you're likely looking at an outdated guide
timid jay
I belive the guide still mentions the haste for 100% SB uptime with HR
timid jay
which would be 35-40%, but since we dont play HR anymore its kind of a moot point
gleaming folio
ah
I currently have Bracers plus soul, unfortunately i have no other tanking leggos
what sorta stats am i looking at>?
undone sun
ilevel>haste>mastery>=verse>>crit
prisma crane
prisma crane
plus, yea, if anything that should almost be all removed since HR isn't required anywhere anymore
gleaming folio
alright thanks
I'm confused wit hthe way its presenting leggos
whats BIS?
I know bracers are
prisma crane
TWF with bracers if you're running with 6 pieces of tier
4p T20 2p T21
bracers and gloves if not
gleaming folio
Okay, looks like i need to start hunting some prot leggos
tranquil sand
so for argus, last phase, we try to use shield block as much as we can during our turn, but prioritize block during scythes?
undone sun
pretty much
left meteor
Well I just looked at our logs, our tank has 10% uptime of Ember of Rage over the entire Argus encounter
that's basically the whole of P4
wat
prisma crane
isnt that the thing that's dodgeable?
scenic dune
what a man
scenic dune
did they unbind their movement keys?
left meteor
Probably
Their argument is "Sometimes you have to finish your cast!"
My argument is 13 million damage each time you eat one
I'm not sure they understand
scenic dune
and this is why I prefer melee classes