Chargebuff DK

[grave jay]

Oh lord.

[quick gazelle]

well sounds like you had fun

im so sad im soon moving away from where i am now, theres an amaaazing liquor store here with so many awesome rums

[grave jay]

Where do you live?

Idk for english

But personnaly

I love Ti punch

Idk the name in english

It is actuallyt Ti'Punch

[quick gazelle]

i live in the netherlands atm

in a town/city called Apeldoorn

but i only came here for work

moving back to scotland in the next few months, most likely to edinburgh

[grave jay]

OOoooh

I went to Edinburgh

Like almost 15 years ago

I came there to try to make money

I came back hitchhiking in January :p

Was a blast tho

[quick gazelle]

dayum!

i love scotland, such a beautiful country

[grave jay]

It is

[quick gazelle]

netherlands is really nice but i miss there being actual rugged nature

this country is one big beautiful garden

[grave jay]

Haha yes

[quick gazelle]

and gardens are cool but sometimes you wanna go beyond the garden

[grave jay]

Well I've only been to Amsterdam to, do things 🙂

[quick gazelle]

[grave jay]

That's the one

[quick gazelle]

yeah im lighting up basically every single day

when in rome, and all

... i say as if i wasnt doing the same in the last place i lived too

[grave jay]

Kek

Anyway

I hope the deck sticks and people play

So we get data.

[proven topaz]

Apeldoorn is so close to me

Utrecht gang here

My weekend was filled with :pepeweed:

I can’t do that emote, sadly

I’m gonna check out the guide

What rank are yall camping at the moment?

[grave jay]

Me 3000. But since I achieved Legend, I barely played and am not too much motivated.

[cedar root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1037892645269286973.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[lusty steppe]

Ive been around 300 atm

not climbing or losing ranks with the deck but keep tinkering with it

my chargers just had a bad string of getting ratted by Reno Priest/Warrior

just beat a paladin though. it was t8 and I played Paintfin who drew Reska, then I Yodelered Reska and took the paladins board

[quick gazelle]

I'm around 1700-1800

[lusty steppe]

yeah im going to stop now just went 0-4 to reno decks

Hopefully this gets more support with expansion set too

Need another draw undead and obviously charge would be nice

[grave jay]

Need a legendary BB payoff for handbuff

[quick gazelle]

ok warrior

i'll admit

this time, you might have enough armor

looking at this again. surprised that primus is so high

feeling pretty pleased about my zombietank and quilter judgements though

[lusty steppe]

Yeah Primus is just odd to me cause it felt bad when I had it

By 8 mana we have cheaper bigger stats

[quick gazelle]

when it worked for me, it was usually by being a false start in the 'who blinks first' war

like, itd mostly just serve to bait out the responses that i need them to play first before im happy using my yogg or reska

but stats > anecdata

though who knows about the sample size of the stats W8 posted

ive got some flex slots im happy to move around though so i might try slotting primus back in tomorrow and see if it feels any better

[lusty steppe]

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 6920
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12988052

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12988052

[lusty steppe]

Beend oing well with this now

helya is flex spot not sure about her yet

had tried primus before but ran into a bunch of priests and took him out ha

[quick gazelle]

aight its been up and down but

fell down to 2.2k and just made it back into top 2k

i need to commit to a sub for maw/paw and threads

right now the options are

a 1 drop (murmy, cadaver, or most likely archer)
runes of darkness (we have spare corpses and theres some incredible hits - crusher can save the game v paladin by freezing their face)
zombietank (ehhhh)
gold panner (could do but still often overloading hand)
primus
unkilliax

[lusty steppe]

Paintfin

Trust me

[quick gazelle]

oh yeah i forgot

fuck it lets go

1x paintfin, 1x runes of darkness just to see how it does

[heavy junco]

Hollowhound/reska seems key yeah paintfin

[lusty steppe]

I might actually try Razorscale 1 of lol

[quick gazelle]

eh what

what for?

[lusty steppe]

I’ve been playing dragon Druid that ins4ne was running it uses Razorscale a for rogue

And Painlock

[quick gazelle]

thing is rogue isnt even a problem

[lusty steppe]

I was on a streak of losing to them I just got unlucky

[quick gazelle]

yeah they can highroll really easily

but on average i think we win

we just outpunch excavate

and we can often pressure gaslight and answer their swing turns if they come late enough

ok queueing up with paintfin/runes

okay i havent even played runes yet

and ive already identified a problem; people be runnin vipers

not most paladins though... and maybe that's all that matters

[quick gazelle]

ok i swapped the runes out for unkilliax

since one of the big problems i consistently face is bridging to my yogg

and a turn 8 unkilliax just slows anyone down so hard

[lusty steppe]

Yeah maybe I try that too

Also another heal is nice

[quick gazelle]

paintfin feels good so far

low sample size but

i like that its kinda awkward to deal with

and never draws a bad card

[lusty steppe]

It’s really good into t4 6/4 drilly too

[quick gazelle]

yeah i suppose it is!

and i am beginning to see a LOT more rogues

i wonder how this deck will do into the genn/baku meta

[lusty steppe]

I think if we get more aggro should be okay with hound

Handlock we’d have to see

[quick gazelle]

i dont think we can easily predict which new decks will and wont take on

[lusty steppe]

What’s your current list?

[quick gazelle]

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 8640
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (8) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (3) Virus Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12998311

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12998311

[lusty steppe]

O you don’t run panners

[quick gazelle]

I do not

Sometimes I'd like them

But I'm regularly enough overfilling my hand anyway

[quick gazelle]

never gets old

[quick gazelle]

its even more satisfying now that the games feel so tense

you know whats funny

by the end of these games

ive usually forgotten which class the reno started as

so, the stats are strongly indicating that keeping brewmaster is bad

which is interesting to me because in most slow matchups ive been keeping it, and some others too

[lusty steppe]

Yeah same

I keep it in any slow MU

A lot of the brew lists don’t run soulcage though

[quick gazelle]

thats true, that probably skews things a lot

and the stats back up most of my other main keeps

i think theres a few other skews going on though

[heavy junco]

Looking for a standoff? Careful, it's against me.

I play. A frail ghoul.

[quick gazelle]

i think seamstress looks way worse than it is because its overkept (41%) and because its most important to keep in what're tough matchups anyway

possibly same with hollow hound

[heavy junco]

It'd be cool (maybe it's premium) they told you mulligan wr per class you face. Maybe it's on d0nkey

[lusty steppe]

yeah seamstress is more a keep vs like DH

might be forgetting another class

[quick gazelle]

imagine ever running into a DH

[lusty steppe]

ive somehow ran into a few

sharpshooter DH

if you dont have a way to kill their 1/3 you can just lose

its funny how diff times of day I do much better cause no paladins at night

in the morning is when China is on NA and they seem to like paladin way more

NA favors control way more and frail ghoul destroys

[quick gazelle]

weird, im on EU and had noticed id ran into almost no paladins today

one of the two i did run into was a reno

also last one of the night:

pretty good record tonight

[lusty steppe]

how did paintfin feel

nice

[quick gazelle]

pretty neutral on it emotionally, but im liking it

it's never bad

which is good

[lusty steppe]

this deck is so fun

just beat a warrior after he blew all his aoe with 6 13/15 swarmguards

my brewmasters were at bottom of my deck

he played the bcry zilliax(after bran) and boomed them too

still won

yeah I don't see a ny decks on hsguru with saloon and soulcage

wonder if HSreplay has any

[heavy junco]

I think people dont try soulcage because it sounds bad on paper. As in it just gives one minion, not many, merely +2/+2. But the key thing is that it summons a copy, so it's really a buff multiplier. X2 buff, not +2 buff. That's what makes it such a key finisher in slower matchups

[lusty steppe]

yeah soulcage is really nice

I started winning more when I wasn't just trying to hold it too

soulcaging a seamstress can be really nice

hound if it manages to live

or reska

[heavy junco]

That's why helm of humiliation is bad, and people shy away from harmonic metal, cause it doesnt necessarily buff every minion in hand

[lusty steppe]

just killed another Reno lol

[quick gazelle]

Exactly

All the combo tools are flexible

[quick gazelle]

Harmonic metal is simply too expensive and awkward

3 mana for 8/8 max handbuff

Compare to the cheaper and uncapped alternatives

And puppeteer

[quick gazelle]

Exactly. This list and meta have all come together to make an otherwise garbage card low key nuts

[heavy junco]

It's my 29th/30th card in my pauper list cause handbuffing is that good. I wish there were more (viable) handbuff cards.

[quick gazelle]

I don't know how much more we could've asked for tbh

[heavy junco]

Maybe ill swap one for a plucky

[quick gazelle]

Last set gave us puppet and spellstone

Miniset gave geist

[desert fiber]

death growl is good in greedy matchups

[lusty steppe]

lol lost to Jambre cause I forgot sinister cost 5 corpses and not 4. Maybe he’ll play the deck tomorrow though

[heavy junco]

feelsbadman

hopefully he does

[ruby coral]

I've been liking paintfin in my list. Often wish for Hollow hound, but having Reska at the ready is always good too, especially with Yodeler

This version btw
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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 7040
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) Maw and Paw
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12947624

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12947624

[ruby coral]

Haven't been consistently recording/playing games, but it certainly feels fun. I can lowkey feel the opponent going "wat" when they see me play Brewmaster on a Ghoul and forget about it for the rest of the game.

[lusty steppe]

lol yeah its funny cause like, they don't concede when the ghoul alone is lethal on your next turn

my list is close but I drop M&P and 1 spell stone for 2 panners

paladin is the only real feels bad MU from the start

[proven topaz]

I finally tried this deck and I enjoy it!

I think paintfin is good, and maybe unkilliax is not the card for the deck because it messes up your reska or hollow hound tutoring

I won vs a reno pally and lost vs a naga shopper DH

he did hit all the shopper stuff on curve

seamstress was mvp against DH

Why is prosthetic hand not an undead 😢

I'm gonna try Elteras' list with a panner over unkilliax

[quick gazelle]

I cut seamstress from my original version, but since I put her back I've been very happy, surprisingly good

[quick gazelle]

Yeah, unkilliax isn't a bad draw but it's not yet convinced me

[proven topaz]

I love this, especially after the emote when I bounced a ghoul

[grave jay]

Overdraw, you must learn.

The deck is gaining traction on Reddit btw. People like it.

[quick gazelle]

fantastic!

i looked at your thread again last night

saw a bunch of comments

if the deck is still viable in the genn/baku meta i might write something then

[quick gazelle]

beautiful

ive really never come across a deck like this

its so unique

i guess some versions of bio shaman came close

[grave jay]

Genn Baku Meta?

[quick gazelle]

but having a deck that can go completely for a combo gameplan or a full board one, and switch between the two on a dime, its wonderful

[quick gazelle]

incoming event, leaked

once the xpac is announced (likely early next week) there'll be a special event which probably runs until the end of whizbang

and it'll be bringing back genn and baku

[[Genn]]

[fickle helm]

Genn (Other potential matches)

Genn Greymane (View card and tokens)

[quick gazelle]

[[Baku]]

[fickle helm]

Baku (Other potential matches)

Baku the Mooneater (View card and tokens)

[quick gazelle]

so the meta is gonna get a huge shake up

[grave jay]

Genn is definetly viable for the deck.

[quick gazelle]

i dont think chargebuff can go odd or even

theres probably gonna be a viable even DK

but it wont be like this deck

[grave jay]

Oh true we lose Pupeeteer.

Yeah true.

[quick gazelle]

spellstone too

[grave jay]

Well Paladin and Warrior are getting stronk.

On my side, I kinda grew tired.

Nothing bad, I am not just super interested by the game atm.

More waiting on next expansion.

But I might play a bit with Genn/Baku meta.

[quick gazelle]

yeah thats pretty normal at this part of a xpac cycle

its been quite anomalous for me that im playing so much at this point in the cycle

[grave jay]

Hahaha because u got a baby in the oven.

[quick gazelle]

but whizbang has been an all-timer set for me in terms of the experience ive had

[quick gazelle]

quite, but this is the third time this set

3 times during whizbangs, ive climbed to legend with my own brew

[grave jay]

Whizbang was a good expansion.

[quick gazelle]

first with earthen flood paladin, then with frog shaman, now with this

[grave jay]

A bit fed up meta with nerfs etc, but fun overall.

[quick gazelle]

yeah they havent handled everything perfectly

[grave jay]

With Tyr?

[quick gazelle]

among others!

let me find you the list

[grave jay]

You've made Legend with a Tyr deck?

GImme that right away.

Tyr is THE card I dream of making work since a long time.

[quick gazelle]

this was before the latest showdown nerf

and i did get some pretty good luck

but here it is

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[fickle helm]

### Aggro Paladin
# Cost: 9920
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Murmy
# ⬜ 2x (1) Righteous Protector
# ⬜ 2x (2) Hand of A'dal
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# 🟦 2x (3) Muster for Battle
# 🟪 2x (3) Showdown!
# ⬜ 1x (4) Boogie Down
# 🟪 2x (4) Crusader Aura
# 🟦 2x (4) Stoneheart King
# 🟪 2x (5) Disciple of Amitus
# 🟦 2x (5) Tyr's Tears
# 🟨 1x (6) Tyr
# 🟨 1x (7) Amitus, the Peacekeeper
# ⬜ 2x (8) Prismatic Beam
# 🟨 1x (8) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (3) Pylon Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Ticking Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟪 2x (10) Sea Giant
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12087889

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12087889

[quick gazelle]

its another disguised deck, like this one

you play normal flood and try to rush em down and deplete their resources

then pivot to earthens

took it to 1.5k legend

[grave jay]

Lmao

[quick gazelle]

although that really was with an exceptionally lucky winstreak

[grave jay]

Not the Tyr I wanna do yet.

I've been waiting to play Tyr with good ressurect targets

Tyr is an amazing card.

[quick gazelle]

how come? this is the best tyr has ever performed for me

[grave jay]

Well Earthen isn't yet what I wanna play.

[quick gazelle]

ah fair

i really hope tyr gets something else to do before he rotates

[grave jay]

Idk if I am clear enough 😒

[quick gazelle]

you're fine

[quick gazelle]

ive been dismissing it because it feels too greedy

but im finding myself wondering if a 1x of Death Growl might work?

we have a lot of ways to use it. puppeteer, reska, chillfallen baron, even salesman in a pinch, and also of course discovered deathrattles from geists

hero power helps make sure growl always has a target

but yeah that probably is too greedy

[proven topaz]

It would be great in slow greedy matchups, but those feel already favored

I would like a way to deal with handbuff pallies / early aggression a bit better

[quick gazelle]

ive tried a bunch of different things for handbuff pala

and frankly i just give up

im fine with one unwinnable matchup given the strength in so many others

and my attempts to make the deck sturdier v paladin just dont feel like they're worth the card slots

[lusty steppe]

Yeah I thought about trying a soulstealer BBU version for paladin but I don’t see enough of them to justify it

Losing reska for every other MU stinks

[lusty steppe]

pocket is playing my list I posted in Banter stream

[quick gazelle]

nice!

who's pocket?

[lusty steppe]

Pockettrain

the last MT winner

i think reqvam sent him the list, I had posted it to banters stream

its my exact list too lol

banters discord*

he won the first game, 2nd game he had massive swarm guards but rogue discovered equality with fan of knives

But yeah I like my list, only thing I'm still not sure on is cutting 1 panner, and if I put the 2nd brew into an ETC or something

and I guess running 1 or 2 spell stones

Paladin is obv rough, insantiy can be tough if they get the nutty encroaching/conductor curve

[quick gazelle]

ohh ofc

[quick gazelle]

yeah i really hope it takes off enough that we can get some better data

[quick gazelle]

ETC is an interesting idea

havent thought about that

could put in some of the almost-but-not-quites like threads or the primus

also id be more tempted to put zola in than a brewmaster, because youre only going that route in games when you have the time and zola can do some cool things that brewmasters cant

[quick gazelle]

im a big believer in 2. its clearly a high WR card in other styles of handbuff DK, and it works so well both with our deck and with the fact that its stats are doubled by the copy effect

[proven topaz]

I play 2 spellstones 1 panner

[lusty steppe]

yeah I could see that

I hope the expansion gives us more undead 1 drops

though not sure with it being beach expansion, maybe some undead pirates though

I also want to see stats on brewmaster in a deck with soulcage

[quick gazelle]

i should try a panner again for a while

[lusty steppe]

yeah if i ran an ETC it would def have threads in it

not sure of the third card

i think you want saloon because of the +2/2 buff

[proven topaz]

is this still your list @lusty steppe

[lusty steppe]

I cut helya for a spellstone

current list is the one pocket has in his rotation

though he just lost two games to random rogue now

ive been playing on mobile so didnt have stat tracker for my climb

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12999739?rank=top_legend

[quick gazelle]

i like maindecking both saloons, since the second always has a use and finding one can be crucial

[lusty steppe]

ya same

So question on reska, running her into a 4/6 unkilliax won't steal the reborn minion right?

or will it

[quick gazelle]

... i dont actually know

ok checked

apparently the deathrattle triggers before the reborn

[proven topaz]

no, it wont steal the reborn minion

And yeah I think saloon needs to be double maindecked too

[quick gazelle]

im having so much fun with this still that im a little scared of genn/baku making the meta unfavourable to it

its prob for the best, people sound like they need a shakeup

but i hope this survives

[lusty steppe]

dangit

pocket keeps queing highrolling rogues when he is on handbuff dk

o wait he won

[quick gazelle]

im always happy to queue into a rogue

but they sure can pull some nonsense

[lusty steppe]

ya its just alwasy going to be someone around 50/50 into that rogue

somewhat*

but he did win even with a t2 drilly

[quick gazelle]

im gonna tune in and see how he plays it

aww hes playing DH now 😦

[lusty steppe]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2170190194?t=4h32m38s

yeah he does roulettes and its like 8 decks

so your best b et is to go back to his vod

[heavy junco]

oho, dont mind if I do

[lusty steppe]

nice grats

[quick gazelle]

actually such good luck

enjoy

she's insane

[lusty steppe]

shes the best and most fun DK card

[quick gazelle]

raichu, trying out panner in place of paintfin

[lusty steppe]

Yeah I like paintfin too much to cut right now. But hoping to get more stats

Panners are nice too though

Great voice lines too

[quick gazelle]

keep on pannin'

[lusty steppe]

@quick gazelle did you ever try zombie tank

[quick gazelle]

naw

its one of the very first things i cut from the VS list to make room

and a card i had feelings about from having played handbuff nearer to the start of the set

i think its really bad and is bait

the stats seem to back that up

[lusty steppe]

so quartzite crusher doesn't look bad in stats

and would be good into paladin

Okay hit top 100 now. Feels great when you never see paladins

[grave jay]

Are they any stats on VS yet about the deck?

For those Gold members.

Oh I see on Donkey Pocket train played the deck.

[grave jay]

Why did we cut threads of despair?

Ngl, having Hearthstone world champion playing something you've worked on (I know it is collective effort but still) feels like an achievment as a brewer.

[quick gazelle]

for sure!

[quick gazelle]

i had it in for a while and liked it but wanted to see how i felt without again, and its been going pretty alright

sometimes id like it but i think theres likely something better that can go into the slot

but yeah, it was so cool for me to just try out this silly idea and realise it kinda worked and then have a bunch of other good players join in the fun

been super fun refining and discussing with all of you

[lusty steppe]

The VS report has Painlock as the best deck at top 1k, I haven't faced many with handbuff but swarmguard prolly a big key card. can also sometimes sneak charge lethal in

(you can see the report charts the morning of the day of release)

So the VS report also has handbuff as 50/50 into mine rogue, unfavored vs Reno decks(but idk if the vs list is even counting saloon decks only, and doubt soulcage), and favored into insanity warlock

so not suprising at higher legend the deck has felt so good because Reno MUs feel free, and then favored into warlock/even into rogue

which Reno war/rogue/warlock are by far the most common matches

[grave jay]

Yeah being favord into Warlock and Rogue is a big deal.

[quick gazelle]

i find this matchup really fun

ive won most of em but it feels very swingy

[quick gazelle]

yeah the deck really benefits from the high legend meta atm

[quick gazelle]

oh my god i am so glad i didnt lose to this person

they made so many mistakes and nearly won anyway because the boomboss they played the turn before this shuffled 3 of them on top of my deck

somehow my combo survived

and they made a really really weak followup turn, discovering two 10 mana weapons with ignis and hero powering

their rat also got my ghoul earlier in the game but brewmaster #2 came in clutch

[lusty steppe]

this is me today

im about to try a razorscale lol

[quick gazelle]

yikes

thats a lot of yellow

[lusty steppe]

im not sure what to change to help more against all these rogues

[quick gazelle]

yeah im not sure either. the deck does pretty well, and the stuff that beats you is random and varied

so the only thing we could do is something that helps us progress our plan faster

but we already try to do that

unkilliax has been kinda useful for me v some rogues

but i think i got lucky having already gotten out their antique flingers or else they didnt have in hand

this is why i love the painlock matchup so much

they keep putting themselves in lethal range for me and losing from winning positions

they never expect the soulcage

"whats this handbuff DK gonna do, deal 6 damage from hand?"

its hilarious how many wins you get entirely off the back of nobody knowing what you're doing

[lusty steppe]

Pocket is now 4-2 with my list

but idk if its optimal still

sucks meta shakeup nextg week i wanted a VS report with brew/soulcage

[quick gazelle]

same

[lusty steppe]

but the list is like 36% into warrior D-L in 11 games

not sure those people know how easy warrior is with the deck

[lusty steppe]

Yeah I made a rogue handbuff list that drops a saloon and a panner for two Razorscales lol

Only usable at high legend

[quick gazelle]

it does require a very different playstyle

and it can be tough

warrs have a lot of routes to victory

i am playing the funniest game

this is so cool

this rogue discovered an ETC off epic excavate reward

no, not that ETC.

the one that adds the pick to your hand

and its now up at 40 damage

and both of our primary gameplans are now oriented around spending our mana and cards properly

while also trying to fight each other

what an incredible game

https://hsreplay.net/replay/jLsr44zXXgvKjCSMMDRYZC

i dont normally post replays

but this is one of the most hilarious games ive ever played

i was so close to conceding

i lost my combo, hand overfilled and burnt second brewmaster

[heavy junco]

I hate boomboss so nice. Especially misplayed highroll boomboss.

[lusty steppe]

thinking of dropping yogg now

actually might just try BBU

maybe thats better into rogue

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[fickle helm]

### BBU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 3980
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 1x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# 🟦 2x (5) Corpse Explosion
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟪 2x (8) Soulstealer
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13027673

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13027673

[quick gazelle]

how come? too slow into rogue?

[lusty steppe]

yeah

but now I'm thinking maybe I just do the above list for rogue

reska never feels as good into rogue because their boards always have small tokens

only issue is I do run into some DH, and no seamstress is scary

maybe still worth running even without reborn

[quick gazelle]

yeah reborn is the least important keyword

mostly shes there as a cheap, buffable rush/LS

[lusty steppe]

yeah

what should I cut

only running 1 yodeler since no reska

[quick gazelle]

maybe you do just cut the second one

reska is half the reason its good

maybe cut 1 salesman or panner?

[lusty steppe]

yeah cutting 1 salesman

doesnt seem great in stats

[quick gazelle]

i do worry that corpse explosion could conflict with soulcage

but i guess thats counterbalanced by soulstealer

curious to hear how this does for you

[lusty steppe]

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[fickle helm]

### BBU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 4640
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 1x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# 🟦 2x (5) Corpse Explosion
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟪 2x (8) Soulstealer
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13027785

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13027785

[lusty steppe]

yeah i am a little worried about that part

will have to test it and see

might be just run 1 corpse expl or something

and add back in salesman

or maybe that is the play now

[quick gazelle]

if the genn/baku meta ends up more aggressive, this might be the direction we have to go

part of why reska is so good rn is the prevalence of yoggs and unkilliaxes and other greedy things like reno warr, and thats a situation thats very disruptable by a shakeup

[lusty steppe]

also the list pocket helped spread, it does seem like saloon looks better

with soulcage in deck

[quick gazelle]

nice!

[heavy junco]

Whats his winrate?

[quick gazelle]

unsurprising, but good to see

[lusty steppe]

4-4 lol

[quick gazelle]

where you seeing stats?

[lusty steppe]

he roulettes like 8 decks

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12999739

the warrior winrate makes no sense

its low sample size though

but if you look at top 1k. its 35 rogue/16 locks/12 war

[heavy junco]

Wow looks decent at top 1k

[lusty steppe]

yeah the deck just farms Reno

makes it actually like facing Reno

[quick gazelle]

Yeah lotta variance in that MU

[lusty steppe]

like you can sometimes still lose with bad draws. also people just don't know how to play against it

Bankers stealing mining casualties over soulcage lol

thanks for the -4 discount on Reska

for free

I guess soulcage is like a dead card for them

id say 25% of my losses to reno decks is because I space out and don't count corpses for soulcage

i just shame concede

gonna go with this when i have time to play in an hourish
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[fickle helm]

### BBU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 4580
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# 🟦 1x (5) Corpse Explosion
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟪 2x (8) Soulstealer
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13027838

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13027838

[quick gazelle]

Looks solid

[quick gazelle]

It's funny because yeah this is SO much of the decks power atm but it might be offset by how bad a lot of the people who give the deck a try perform since they don't realise how differently to play it

I wonder how much of us stats are just us in this channel

I need to check that I'm hooked up properly to contribute data

[heavy junco]

Interesting, no reborn on seamstress. Yeah just lifesteal rush without a 3/1 token is pretty solid

Which can grow

I feel like quillboar is still good, if it's massive and doubled it annhilates the paladin's board and then they having nothing

It's really sad when you draw into it, but if you have one, especially soulcaged, at start or near start of game, it works

[lusty steppe]

Well it didn’t work out

I think I’m just going to wait for a balance patch or expansion. Whichever comes first

[quick gazelle]

back in top 2k

15-11 since i started climbing from just above 2k

[quick gazelle]

oof 😦

[lusty steppe]

grats!

[lusty steppe]

If nesting golem is buffed does it keep the buffs when it respawns?

Nvm buffs don’t work

[ruby coral]

Yeah it's like Rattlegore, it actually behaves like "Summon a 3/2 token of this", "Summon a 2/1 token"

[lusty steppe]

I’m gonna try ticking perfect zill

[lusty steppe]

So far liking it over Yogg

lol beat an insanity warlock that did the popgar x2 crescendo combo twice with fizzle

[quick gazelle]

damn thats impressive

[quick gazelle]

yeah which is real dissapointing to me 😦

[lusty steppe]

I hope we get another undead draw option with new cards

panner not looking great in the list on stats

and tbh feels crappy to play in this meta its usually dead next turn

even tempted to try frozen over lol

[quick gazelle]

yeah, one of the reasons ive not been so hot on it

which card is that?

[[Frozen Over]]

[fickle helm]

Frozen Over (Other potential matches)

Frozen Over (View card and tokens)

[quick gazelle]

oh lmao

interesting

i could see it

[lusty steppe]

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 10220
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟨   1x (4) Helya
# 🟦   1x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦   1x (2) Threads of Despair
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 1x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13038351

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13038351

[lusty steppe]

or trying to limit spells and run magatha

with 1 soulcage in etc so we dont autolose from mag

and spells suck for opponent at least

maybe I'd drop 1 panner for Zill

[proven topaz]

Is it perfect ticking or perfect virus 🦠

[lusty steppe]

I like perfect ticking cause I feel I mostly lose from early aggro

From Dh or rogue

Before turn 8

[lusty steppe]

pocket has just been straight playing handbuff OTK deck now

not even rouleeting

[lusty steppe]

he plays the deck way better than me. I think I need to not always hold swarmguard

I get too greedy

[heavy junco]

homiwastaken is playing it an now its cheering it up

[heavy junco]

sick, congratulations

[lusty steppe]

ya I think I really need to stop greeding swarmguard against rogue

[lusty steppe]

and homi isn't liking yogg. its really slow in a lot of MUs

[quick gazelle]

thats so awesome

[quick gazelle]

yeah i use it very early sometimes

[lusty steppe]

ya hes under 50% now though. I think there still some optimizing though

like perfect ticking Zill

I hope the saloon/soulcage can make report though

zach way better at optimizing

pocket also running into combo decks though

which deck not the best into

clark now playing it too

but I think Clark chatters said it was reqvam deck. it came from here

[quick gazelle]

doh well

getting proper credit is probably a lost cause

just happy more people are noticing

[lusty steppe]

yeah I didn't care enough to correct it

and idk if that list is the best handbuff list anyways

just hard cause DK draw kindof bad

ideally we get a charge or draw undead in expansion

[quick gazelle]

cards like geist do go a long way

but yeah

[heavy junco]

We know the truth

[heavy junco]

At least soulcage. And brewmaster can otk super early. I just see the problem was clearing ginormous miracle boards early. Like it's just not enough.

[lusty steppe]

yeah

which is why I thinking ticking Zill might be needed

[heavy junco]

Like you saw those last homi games before he gave up. He was happy as a lark killing big decks/control decks, but just dies to early swarm/miracle

[lusty steppe]

yeah

[heavy junco]

I suggested greedypartner in chat to recover earlier but homi thought that was silly

[lusty steppe]

yeah panners feel like super bad so I could see some other 2 drop

we need to just fix the earlygame

[heavy junco]

Against that snake on the fatigue warlock yeah. I would have just played it and cycled.

[heavy junco]

Soulcage megabusts open the late game, even if you just have quillboars/gnomes instead of brewmasters

It cant otk turn 6/7, and brewmaster is better at otking

But i feel like the rainbow seamstress/mining casualties dont survive against miracle

[lusty steppe]

I still like those two cards cause they do something

its panners/paintfin maybe

and salesman

and possible yogg is too slow

[heavy junco]

So like, panners/paintfin/salesman just cycle

[lusty steppe]

idk maybe it is threads

[heavy junco]

Threads, ticking zilly, but if you dont cycle you might get to the wincon more slowly for late games

[lusty steppe]

yeah thats the issue

[heavy junco]

But that probably doesnt matter as much?

[lusty steppe]

finding the balance

[heavy junco]

Paintfin sounded good, and i approved, but d0nkey says top 1k, paintfin is ass

[quick gazelle]

yeah esp when i was running unkilliax, paintfin didnt feel quite there compared to a panner

[heavy junco]

Im gonna toy around with greedy partner and see if it's ass or not, for now

[lusty steppe]

I do wonder if we also just add in another OTK card besides brewmaster?

[heavy junco]

Quillboar i say

[lusty steppe]

yeah quillboar

for games brews are at bottom of deck

[heavy junco]

Homi's issue was not dying early, like he handled against reno warrior with bottom deck brewmaster

[lusty steppe]

yeah not dying early is the hard spot

[heavy junco]

Cause he knew they couldnt clear his swarmguard at a certain turn in the game

[lusty steppe]

esp vs like warlock

[quick gazelle]

i think you're being baited by liking quilter. i was there too, love that card, but it just aint it and the stats seem to back that up

[heavy junco]

Brewmaster seems better for the job yeah

So im saying like, a 3rd copy of brewmaster could be quillboar (or a third brewmaster?)

But i watched homi and he doesnt need a third copy, he needs stay alive early cards

[quick gazelle]

yeah

idk

i feel like 28 cards are pretty locked

and theres a ton of candidates for the last slots

and its very hard to tell whats right

[lusty steppe]

which cards do you think are the 28?

clark getting wrecked by warriors, maybe just highroll though I didn't lose to warrior smuch

need to just pressure so they cant ever Brann you

[heavy junco]

Hmmm really

Maybe ill just rewatch all the loss vods with clark/pocket/homi, and see whats good

See if theres any real improvements or not for now

[quick gazelle]

if its early thats the problem

W8s old idea of skeletal archer or sidekick or whatever its called actually isnt the worst idea ever

lets you kill early prio targets

[heavy junco]

Yeah didnt we all decide to take out early one drops?

[quick gazelle]

i think these are the 28

with 2 free slots

but maybe better to say 26

since ik some of you guys have made cuts to some of that for cards you like more, like panners

[lusty steppe]

I'm not as big on panners anymore

so many decks can just kill it on 2 now

Kindof think we want Ticking Perfect Zill too

[heavy junco]

Yeah

[lusty steppe]

I'm also okay with cutting 1 of the spell buffs

if needed

[quick gazelle]

yeah i could easily see ticking being better than virus

i like having unkilliax but

sometimes you need something earlier

[lusty steppe]

when i tried the soulstealer version, I just died before I could really play them

or ply them then just die

[quick gazelle]

heres a crazy idea

barrelbrim?

[lusty steppe]

yogg use is more stealing unkilliax then board clear

possible yeah

i thought about barrelbrim when a Painlock did it to my puppet

[heavy junco]

Corpse explosion? I feel someone tested that out already

[quick gazelle]

feels like a stretch but ive seen it do nasty things

[lusty steppe]

corpse cant run Reska

[heavy junco]

Wait thats double red

[lusty steppe]

I did try BBU

on paper it looks good, but in practice soulstealer just late

yeah I think barrel could be a play

our 1/2/4 drops kindof weak

for early curve

[heavy junco]

Especially cause you can bounce zilly/barrel

cause for those aggro matchuos brewmasters can be repurposed

Hey what abkut [[rambunctious stuffy]]

[fickle helm]

rambunctious stuffy (Other potential matches)

Rambunctious Stuffy (View card and tokens)

[heavy junco]

It's like seamstress but can take out two things

[quick gazelle]

we have no frost spells

[heavy junco]

It's good for not having frost spells, for not dying to early boards

Oh it doesnt have reborn nm

Got it whoops

[quick gazelle]

yeah

we're fast approaching the big meta shakeup with genn/baku i believe

so i dont think theres any chance we can ever really 'solve' this

we can just play whatever and see what happens when genn/baku enter

[lusty steppe]

yeah part of me jsut wants to maybe try a Magatha angle

but need to cut down spells for that

NHG I think tried a list with Magatha where it wasn't the bottom of drawn WR

[quick gazelle]

thats one of the first things we moved away from

because its so awkward with soulcage

but could be it

[lusty steppe]

https://www.hsguru.com/card-stats?deck_id=12525298&format=2&period=patch_29.4.2&sort_by=drawn_impact&sort_direction=desc

I think you have to ETC a soulcage

which is clunkier

[quick gazelle]

one idea...

and im loathe to suggest this

because i think this card embarasses good players more than any other

but we could try dirty rats

work well with blood tap and when we're doing things with hound

lets us proactively fuck with the ways decks like warr can win

[lusty steppe]

yeah possible

[heavy junco]

Interesting idea, sometimes theres not enough to hound

[lusty steppe]

could be 4/8 rat

but need 8 mana for hound

[quick gazelle]

i might give it a try and report back

[heavy junco]

Wdym 4/8 rat

[quick gazelle]

blood tap buffs it to 4/8

[heavy junco]

Ah

[lusty steppe]

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 7100
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 1x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# 🟦 2x (2) Frozen Over
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (10) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (5) Ticking Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13042755

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13042755

[lusty steppe]

realized watching pockets vod is magatha isnt really viable

your hand size usually clunky with the minis/gigantic

so fuck it might try frozen over

maybe I should fit helya in though

if im doing frozen over

[quick gazelle]

helya sounds kinda meh to me

[lusty steppe]

yeah

[quick gazelle]

barely does anything on her own

im curious about frozen over

could be used to overdraw people in some matchups

and can be good at the very end of the game to find crucial pieces

but... its also really awkward most of the time because youre spending mana drawing your opponent cards

[heavy junco]

frozen over feels weird cause somehow your opponent just gets better at the game

(cause you just gave them 2 cards)

[lusty steppe]

Yeah that’s why it probably sucks

I guess pro against rogue is maybe they draw drilly and can’t QuickDraw or can’t dump hand for scorpion but idk

[lusty steppe]

so I'm thinking

what about just a discover card

instead of panner

a 2 mana one

betweet frost strike/necrotic/hematurge

I'm cutting paintfin for ticking zilly

or maybe just scarab like some lists ran

[heavy junco]

Ive always wanted to try something like that, like henaturge

Thats good too, turn 1 turn 2 plays

[lusty steppe]

Yeah so right now I just did my normal list cut paintfin for tickling zilly

Which I buffed up too when I played it

[lusty steppe]

Update ticking zilly feels really good

[heavy junco]

how so, it just like mops of t5 bs? (like it should)

[heavy junco]

okay gonna finally craft the seamstresses, im curious to see how it's going in the new non pauper version

[green karma]

Clark almost got me while I was on handbuff. Early draw goes a long way towards threat density later

(For the DK)

[lusty steppe]

whenever I take paintfin out I always queue into a random paladin and then don't draw Reska lol

[proven topaz]

I brought this list to the tournament, 2-0 wr

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 6780
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 1x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (10) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (5) Ticking Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13050976

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13050976

[proven topaz]

Panners were good tbf

I made the paintfin -> perfect ticking zilli swap

[lusty steppe]

ya that's what I tried last night

zilly does feel good

esp since you can buff it to a 6/7

[quick gazelle]

nice! which tournament?

[lusty steppe]

fenos its on right now

[quick gazelle]

oh, the feno one

sweet!

[lusty steppe]

yeah the ticking Zill I think might be one of the 30

has felt pretty good in each game

since the issue is mainly getting blow out early game

blown*

[proven topaz]

one threads could also be okay

[lusty steppe]

just still wish we had better draw

[proven topaz]

yeah

for now, in the tournament the panners have felt good

I played 2 spellstones 1 panner first

but the stats indiccate that spellstone is bad

[green karma]

How many other classes play their spell stone

[lusty steppe]

what about wandmakers

[quick gazelle]

felt pretty good when i tried it for 20 games

[lusty steppe]

Okay one game of wandmakers I got a death growl

Played it on a puppeteer

The one mana spell pool feels good for handbuff

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 5280
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13053390

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13053390

[lusty steppe]

trying this

blood tap wasn't looking great in the lsit

panners/salesmen aren't either but feel like we need some cycle and early plays

and paintfin feels less good with less paladins and more drill rogues

[lusty steppe]

Yeah wandmakers might really help the curve of the deck

5-0 with the list so far

[heavy junco]

very based. i feel like ticking perfect zilliax could be fine too

[heavy junco]

what have your games been like such that you were aggroed/miracled early, did the new cards help? (wandmaker)

[lusty steppe]

Mostly just rogue scam

But the 1 mana spells can be really nice

And having a 2 that can trade into their 3/2

[proven topaz]

I wanna keep zill

But without blood tap it’s probably not worth

[heavy junco]

yeah, whatever beats the top ladder miracle stuff like rogue scam

that's the list

[lusty steppe]

Yeah it’s still early so wandmakers could be wrong

Yeah I did really like the Zill before

[heavy junco]

i tried the list and got to 1 hp, but still won with hound (against fatigue lock)

but if you win all the games the streamers have problems dealing with, already, then ... it may be all fine

[lusty steppe]

Yeah I think Zill is also good

But not sure what to cut

[proven topaz]

I went 1-3 with your newest list

One game wandmaker felt very good

But my hunch is that zilli is a tad better

I also still wanna try threads, most of the games I lost I just snowballed early

[lusty steppe]

yeah idk wandmaker keeps giving me the shitty crate spell

so maybe not it now

I think I'll just go back and drop wandmakers for plucky/zill

I keep not drawing Reska

[grave jay]

That's nice 🙂

[grave jay]

😦

I keep thinking Yodeler is bait.

Panner being dead on 2 isn't a problem, because the deck draws enough, we generally actually want for the panner to die after drawing 2 cards.

But if two cards is the magic number, the frost spell might be interesting.

I thought about wandmaker because the 1 cost spell pool is very good for us, but it can be tuff for hand managment.

Why did blood tap got removed?

[grave jay]

I kept saying it XD

[grave jay]

Spellstone is great, but people missuse it a lot. After all, at one upgrade, it is a one mana blood tap already.

I'd play wanmaker over yodeler in general tbh.

[lusty steppe]

Blood tap was just low in the list stats. Might not be a cut I was just testing stuff

I do think ticking zilly is an include

Probably cut paintfin

3 drop already crowded

[grave jay]

What is ticking zilliax?

Just describe me modules

[lusty steppe]

The mana cost reduction and the divine shield rush lifesteal

[grave jay]

Yup I said it curve was important for this deck.

[grave jay]

K

[lusty steppe]

I hope we get some 1 and 2 drops for this deck in reveals

It’s what it really needs

[grave jay]

It needs it

But

Imo the real banger would be a BB legendary payoff.

[lusty steppe]

Yeah true

[grave jay]

That way we cut Reska, we play helm and the legendary.

[lusty steppe]

Reska just really nice with yodeler too

[grave jay]

That's why we need a better payoff.

Something strong enough for her to be replaced

[lusty steppe]

Ideally the BB is a deathrattle

[grave jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXOgmvZyzxk

I just thought

since we have so much healing

and since what we want is something to hold down aggression early

why not run zilliax this way:

deathrattle+virus module

that way we have a mana perfect zilliax

*4 mana

well we lose the borken keyword

[proven topaz]

yeah the difference is that spellstone only hits undead

[grave jay]

I know, that's why I said people don't know how to use it properly.

You accumulate ressources

And that's also the reason I advocated for Maw and Paw

They are insta upgrade.

And an annoying proactive play.

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 8280
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) Maw and Paw
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟨 1x (4) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (1) Recursive Module
# ⬜   1x (3) Virus Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13060523

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13060523

[grave jay]

I think this zilli is worth a shot.

As the deck is aiming to get to turn 5 with puppeter.

Everything must be done in order to establish tempo on turn 1-4.

[lusty steppe]

I’m trying out a Magatha too

Cut the blood taps and one soulcage in an etc so 5 spells

[grave jay]

What rank u at @lusty steppe ?

[lusty steppe]

Around 400

I fell out of top 100

Cause of rogues

[lusty steppe]

Yeah Zill just so good into warlocks and rogue

Just cut paintfin

I think also from the main list the -1 paintfin + ticking perfect Zill, and then maybe consider dropping one brew or soulcage for an etc with the 2nd copy of the cut, threads, and then one more card

Maybe Magatha or stomper/cult/Razorscale or Primus/helya/fistful of corpse

[green karma]

Yodel seems like one of the strongest cards in the deck

I’d even consider running death growl

[lusty steppe]

Death growl hits off wandmaker were why I first liked wandmakrr

Since you can draw more or mega buff

Paintfin also worse because reska not amazing into rogue and warlocks. Which are going to be most of the matches higher you climb

Was better when I was facing more reno decks

[green karma]

Yeah particularly I like death growl early on baron for draw

Obviously great on puppet or reska later

But probably

Another deck where it’s very frustrating that nerubian egg isn’t undead

[lusty steppe]

yeah egg would have been really nice

[ruby coral]

What is the main list now anyway?

[quick gazelle]

There's no one main list, most of us agree on about 26-28 cards and have been trying all sorts of things

But if you wanna pick it up and go

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 6840
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (8) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (3) Virus Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12998311

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12998311

[quick gazelle]

Atm I'm running this, but with the paintfin subbed out for a gold panner

Prob swap the virus module out for ticking too

[lusty steppe]

yeah this is the list I had originally posted to banters discord and Pocket played.
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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 5220
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 1x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12999739

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12999739

[lusty steppe]

at this point with stats I think you can cut paintfin for ticking perfect Zill

ad probably cut 1 tap for 2nd spell stone

then question is do you cut the single tap

for something like Magatha?

panner/salesmen also don't feel amazing which is why elteras cut them from his list

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 8480
# Format: Standard
# 🟨 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13062459

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13062459

[lusty steppe]

this is the list im currently trying

i think besides magatha, you could try a threads.

or Primus, or a single death growl

[grave jay]

If Vs gets out before Baku meta, we'll have an insight of what would've been good.

Now that the deck has gained some traction.

[lusty steppe]

Okay I put Magatha in an ETC, with threads and razorscale for rogue..

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 8980
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟨   1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# 🟪   1x (3) Razorscale
# 🟦   1x (2) Threads of Despair
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (10) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (5) Ticking Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13062878

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13062878

[lusty steppe]

this was also a completely diff direction i thought about trying

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[fickle helm]

### BUU Plague DK
# Cost: 9320
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Staff of the Primus
# 🟪 2x (2) Distressed Kvaldir
# 🟦 2x (2) Down with the Ship
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Tomb Traitor
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (10) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (5) Ticking Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟪 2x (11) Chained Guardian
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13063268

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13063268

[lusty steppe]

plague handbuff DK

[quick gazelle]

doesnt feel like a natural fit to me

the two approaches have little inherent synergy

and you have to gimp both archetypes to make em work together

[lusty steppe]

yeah its just for w/e reason the palgue cards are high on the archetype list. i wonder if thats a bug

i like the charge list way better anyways

[green karma]

guardian is a really strong card

and yodel does double work with kvaldir here

but otherwise not much synergy

[lusty steppe]

yeah the one synergy besides yodeler is just plague does have a nice early curve

maybe I'd run bloodtaps over spellstone

think 6 spells is max with Magatha

[green karma]

yeah I wouldn't push it past 6 with mag

[lusty steppe]

yeah I hate 6 spells in zarimi with mag

I think 4 is the best spot

[lusty steppe]

yeah dont try plagues

lost to reno

[lusty steppe]

all the even locks running sheriff is rough

[lusty steppe]

we win

https://www.hsguru.com/meta?min_games=100&rank=legend

(ignore the sample size)

best deck post patch

[heavy junco]

to be frank, i just dont know why some others are obsessed with the idea that dk handbuff is bait

wonderful screenshot obv

[lusty steppe]

yeah deck is legit.

not like a world beater but you can win with it

[heavy junco]

like people talk about it llike it's bomb warrior

idk

just silly at some point

[lusty steppe]

also the soulcage/brew list has spread a lot

dont think its echo chamber

[heavy junco]

soulcage otks and brew makes the otk quick and you can have less redundancy

it's all legit

[lusty steppe]

I'm about to hit 1k DK wins thnaks to this thread you all started

its also funny how I like handbuff DK but never liked handbuff paladin

[heavy junco]

1k very cool what's the portrait?

[lusty steppe]

i think cause DK hits so much higher numbers

[heavy junco]

same

[lusty steppe]

like summoning 13/15 swarmguards

or the 50 DMG OTK

[heavy junco]

i love seeing 2 20 20 quilboars just destroy the unsuspecting opponent

it's fun

ye whereas handbuff paladin is more about optimizing resources and nothing paticularly insane happens

so you get this guy then

[green karma]

From the sample sizes the soul cage build doesn’t perform as well as simple hand buff fwiw

[fleet goblet]

Bro I just wanted to try this

Is there a good standard handbuff that doesn’t make me want to die

[heavy junco]

the list im rpelying to is more or less fine

[lusty steppe]

which list is the better one @green karma. or is it on hsreplay

i see one ahead of it D-L if you do like 200+games. but for legend+ I wasn't seeing one on hsguru

going to 100+ D-L I do see more of other lists

[proven topaz]

I tried some even lock, and got rekt by Sonya rogue twice

That deck is also real

[lusty steppe]

Yeah sonya rogue is pretty good now

[grave jay]

Because it is more fun.

[green karma]

https://www.hsguru.com/decks?format=2&min_games=200&period=patch_29.4.2&player_deck_archetype[]=Handbuff+DK&rank=legend

I was mistaken, soul cage is the best performing version at legend

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[fickle helm]

### BFU Handbuff DK
# Cost: 5220
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 1x (1) Lesser Spinel Spellstone
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟦 2x (2) Blood Tap
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Mining Casualties
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 1x (3) Plucky Paintfin
# 🟪 2x (3) Rainbow Seamstress
# ⬜ 2x (3) Toysnatching Geist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Sinister Soulcage
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟦 2x (5) Amateur Puppeteer
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12999739

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[green karma]

57% which is very good for legend

Pocket train brought a lot of attention to the deck

Salesman, blood tap look like the weak performers

Digging into the stats, nesting golem looks like it might be worth exploring

[lusty steppe]

yeah I saw nesting golem up there before. stinks the buffs don't work but still might be solid enough

its a lot of corpses

[green karma]

It’s super optimistic but I’ve always been curious about death growl and golem

Maybe not for this deck even, but a cute idea

[quick gazelle]

im surprised by this

its the easiest, cheapest, and most direct buff in the deck overall

spellstone is cheaper but needs to be charged and only hits undead

[green karma]

Salesman makes sense to me

[quick gazelle]

yeah i meant that at blood tap

salesman being not great sounds right

its <insert-1-drop-here>

[quick gazelle]

does that work?

if you spread it onto a 5/5 it resummons as a 4/4?

and holy shit yeah we have actual stats now, this is great

we did it y'all

[proven topaz]

I was actually thinking about that card lol

But I expected it to not be worth it when the buffs don't carry over

Ultra rattlegore

[proven topaz]

I play this but -paintfin +zilli perfect ticking, i think it feels super solid

[quick gazelle]

Yeah zil feels too good not to run imo

And I imagine having it bumps up the performance of blood tap?

[lusty steppe]

@proven topaz how has it been post patch?

[lusty steppe]

I see some lists running loot hoarder over panner ha

i guess you can yodel loot hoarder

[quick gazelle]

@heavy junco

i still dont wanna run quilter, but for my first time playing this deck, my geist gave me a quilter and no other more pertinent options, so this ended up happening

in this game it worked very nicely because it was discounted, but maybe i should try 1x in one of the uncertain slots

holy shit

my first mirror matchup!

incredible

[heavy junco]

Right, not as cheap as a frail ghoul, but still a decent backup for ghoul at 4 (4+4 soulcage), and though it may not still be as good at otking, it can be used to largely clear a board, which can just make your opponent concede.

What's interesting about the raichu list and my pauper list is that my list feels more like a miracle deck, whereas the general list feels more like a control-otk type of deal. The difference is slight, but there.

I do appreicate having a buffed seamstress in addition to hound to reset life totals and boards. (Gnome can otk off of a clear board, but cant target minions like seamstress)

[proven topaz]

good, I think I'll stick with this list for now, it feels better than other stuff I've tried

[proven topaz]

If people play loot hoarder, they should probably play thalnos instead

as it's an undead

I could see thalnos in the deck tho, it's not a bad idea

very low sample size, but it doesn't look bad so far

[lusty steppe]

ya ive had bad luck on handbuff today

[proven topaz]

the sample size is too low to really indicate anything though

[lusty steppe]

lost to a plague DK

[proven topaz]

I've seen some excavate rainbow DK's and that deck also seems pretty decent

[lusty steppe]

ya

[quick gazelle]

ooh, good call. definitely makes it sound attractive compared to stuff like panner or hoarder

also, given that genn/baku dont look like theyre gonna cause this deck much trouble

i think i will be writing a guide

not sure how much time i'll have in the next few days, still got my arm issues so too much typing isnt smart, and i have a friend visiting until next week

but i'll try to have it done by early next week

[lusty steppe]

O wait

Thalnos is undead

Yeah considering panner like never survives in this meta

[quick gazelle]

btw, played enough games with ticking/perfect zil over unkilliax

and yeah, i prefer it

feels so much better in all the worst matchups

[lusty steppe]

Yeah it’s good